IRC log for #koha, 2015-01-20

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00:47 dcook Mmm tcohen, can I ask you a quick question?
00:47 dcook I'm curious when the fix for oversize MARC records was added...
00:48 dcook I want to say it was after 3.14.5?
00:50 dcook Ah, should've checked the times on the scrollback..
00:54 dcook Ah, 3.16
00:54 dcook bug 11096
00:54 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11096 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Koha cannot retrieve big records from Zebra
01:30 eythian tcohen: is there a guide to mocking database calls for building tests anywhere?
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01:57 tcohen eythian: I recall doing some on Calendar.t
01:58 eythian tcohen: OK, I'll have a look. ta
01:58 tcohen the guys have used Test::DBIx or smth similar for DBIx::Class
02:07 tcohen zebra::meta::sysno
02:07 tcohen oops
02:07 jcamins tcohen: that's it.
02:18 eythian arg this code is untestable
02:18 eythian or at least, hard to test
02:18 eythian it uses 'exit'
02:18 eythian which is bad
02:19 eythian and means I can't readily work out the SQL that it'd be running in order to mock it.
02:20 * tcohen thinks it sounds like code that needs to be thought a bit more about
02:20 eythian yes, but I don't have the time to fix it.
02:20 eythian (I didn't write it, I just changed things.)
02:21 * tcohen recalls contained such things
02:21 eythian this is C4::Service
02:22 eythian if there's an error, it just bails with exit
02:23 eythian (error includes authentication)(
02:24 dcook :S
02:24 eythian screw it
02:24 * eythian mocks C4::Auth
02:24 eythian I'd wanted to include that in the tests
02:26 tcohen night everyone
02:26 eythian hmm
02:26 eythian how do I override a module
02:26 eythian that gets loaded from somewhere else
02:27 eythian (i.e. I want to replace the C4::Auth that C4::Service loads with one of my own creation)
02:27 cjh_ eythian: have a module with the same name earlier in the perl path ?
02:27 eythian /kcik cjh_ no swearing, this is a family channel
02:29 dcook I think I've wanted to do that but figured it was unpossible
02:30 eythian it doesn't make sense for it to be impossible, otherwise you could never mock the dependencies of another module.
02:31 eythian oh
02:31 eythian I don't quite understand it
02:31 eythian but Test::MockModule just works
02:32 eythian the example code implied that it wouldn't work how I wanted it to.
02:32 cjh_ I was just reading through the docs for it trying to work out if it would work
02:32 eythian in the example code, they always use the handle that is returned
02:32 eythian but that's not necessary
02:38 eythian @wunder nzwn
02:38 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 23.0°C (3:30 PM NZDT on January 20, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 38%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
03:07 wizzyrea that is very warm.
03:07 * wizzyrea tries to recall what she sent the sprog to holiday program wearing
03:07 wizzyrea I hope it was cool.
03:08 ibeardslee is that something he really needs to worry about at his age - being 'cool'?
03:08 wizzyrea well temperature wise.
03:08 wizzyrea but yeah, that starts sooner than any of us would like.
03:09 dcook @wunder syd
03:09 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 25.0°C (2:00 PM AEDT on January 20, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
03:09 dcook I hope that's not right..
03:09 * dcook looks outside
03:09 dcook Grrr... I wish the rainy clouds had stayed...
03:09 eythian it was warm all weekend here, but very windy which meant I couldn't go biking like I intended.
03:10 dcook Very warm all weekend here too :(
03:10 wizzyrea it was SO windy.
03:10 dcook One of the cats almost lost his cool... panting something fierce. Poor guy.
03:10 wizzyrea not unusually windy, but still windy.
03:10 dcook ibeardslee: I think that starts at birth :p
03:10 wizzyrea it would have been nice for the beach, except for the sandblasting.
03:10 dcook Mind you, that might be parents' perceptions of cool...
03:11 dcook Especially in regards to private vs public school kids..
03:11 wizzyrea kids have underdeveloped prefrontal cortexes = kids are dicks.
03:12 wizzyrea (yes, even mine.)
03:13 dcook hehe
03:13 dcook So what's the excuse for adults? :p
03:14 wizzyrea they never grew up?
03:43 dcook Probably
03:43 dcook Got2go though!
03:43 dcook ta
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04:32 cait hi #koha
04:32 cait @wunder Konstanz
04:32 huginn cait: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 0.8°C (5:32 AM CET on January 20, 2015). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 99%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady).
04:32 cait hmcould be worse i guess
04:36 eythian hi cait
04:36 eythian you're awake early
04:36 cait yeah travelling again
04:37 eythian anywhere interesting?
04:38 cait hmm
04:38 cait hard to tell :)
04:38 cait the day will show it
04:39 eythian heh
04:39 eythian fair enough
04:49 cait bye
05:50 mtj rangi: abouty for a BZ Q?
06:16 * magnuse waves
06:17 magnuse @wunder boo
06:17 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo Vi, Norway is -2.0°C (7:00 AM CET on January 20, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: -12.0°C. Pressure: 30.19 in 1022 hPa (Falling).
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07:41 reiveune hello
07:41 wahanui bidet, reiveune
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07:58 alex_a bonjour
07:58 wahanui hola, alex_a
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08:02 fridolin hie all
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08:39 gaetan_B hello
08:39 wahanui niihau, gaetan_B
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08:57 Joubu yop
08:57 Joubu ashimema: aound?
09:01 Joubu @later tell ashimema Does the status for bug 13596 should be NSO?
09:01 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
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10:08 gaetan_B have we seen Bernardo recently?
10:08 gaetan_B !seen bgkriegel
10:08 gaetan_B @seen bgkriegel
10:08 huginn gaetan_B: bgkriegel was last seen in #koha 7 weeks, 3 days, 15 hours, 29 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: <bgkriegel> tcohen++
10:08 gaetan_B seems to be no...
10:09 gaetan_B anyone heard from him?
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10:09 gaetan_B (i emailed him to create a pootle account but got no answer)
10:23 magnuse tcohen will probably know, when he wakes up
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10:37 gaetan_B yep i'll ask tcohen
10:38 gaetan_B @later tell tcohen have you seen Bernardo recently? he hasn't showed up in a while it seems.
10:38 huginn gaetan_B: The operation succeeded.
11:38 Joubu dashboard is down again
11:38 Joubu @later tell rangi dashboard is down again :-/
11:38 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
12:03 kivilahtio Did I tell how cool the ILS-DI is?
12:03 kivilahtio Did I say how proud I am that Koha has ILS-DI support?
12:03 kivilahtio its freaking awesome.
12:04 liw kivilahtio, I have not heard this
12:04 kivilahtio https://renki.vaarakirjastot.f[…]oha/opac/
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12:52 oleonard Hi #koha
12:59 kivilahtio ho oleonard
12:59 oleonard @wunder 45701
12:59 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in Whitlind Woods, Athens, Ohio is -0.8°C (7:59 AM EST on January 20, 2015). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
13:08 magnuse @wunder boo
13:08 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -3.0°C (1:50 PM CET on January 20, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: -12.0°C. Windchill: -11.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Rising).
13:08 * magnuse has seen the sun today, though
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13:39 oleonard It was a busy Bugzilla weekend (which was a long one for most of us Americans)
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13:55 jenkins_koha Starting build #55 for job Koha_3.16.x_U14 (previous build: STILL FAILING)
13:55 magnuse oleonard: what was the occasion?
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13:56 oleonard A day honoring Martin Luther King Jr.
13:56 magnuse cool
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14:24 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.16.x_U14 build #55: NOW UNSTABLE in 28 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_3.16.x_U14/55/
14:24 jenkins_koha Owen Leonard: Bug 13196 - "Always show checkouts immediately" cookie should persist across sessions
14:24 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13196 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , "Always show checkouts immediately" cookie should persist across sessions
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15:50 Guest2604 IDENTIFY Jesse
15:50 JesseM Too many Jesse's
15:50 JesseM :)
15:50 Guest2604 IDENTIFY JesseL
15:50 Guest2604 Yep
15:52 Guest2604 I have a question though
15:55 Guest2604 My tech people are asking me about RAM and processing specs for our new linux server. We are a special library in DC. What do you think about 32Gb RAM and Xenon E5 CPU, 8 cores. Somewhere in the 2.4-2.8 GHz range processing?
15:56 rambutan Hey, I want a couple of those!
15:57 druthb That's pretty powerful—you could run a pretty darn big library with that.
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15:57 Guest2604 Ok, so we should dial back some perhaps?
15:57 saa i want to have barcode numbers as text and number in the order we want for eg NDAA1
15:57 druthb You *could* dial back—but no one's twisting your arm.
15:57 Guest2604 haha
15:57 Guest2604 Thank you
15:57 rambutan If the budget people are ok with that stand fast.
15:58 saa is it possible to get barocde in this way
15:58 Guest2604 Great
15:58 druthb rambutan++
15:59 druthb you've got a ton of room for compromise, if the budgeters spaz out—quad core, less RAM (down to 8 GB or so)…  As a special library, your big need isn't gonna be high traffic, but lots of storage space.
16:04 Guest2604 Thanks druthb
16:04 reiveune bye
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16:04 druthb Sure thing. :)
16:04 Guest2604 I think we'll have about 1 Tb of storage, plus backup
16:05 druthb You could also, if your IT policy allows, use a VPS service, like Linode. I use them for my personal space, and dev work I've done in the past on Koha.  Cheap-cheap, and they are uber-reliable.
16:05 druthb Also, scalable. You could get a bottom-end machine for 20 bucks a month, upgrade on the fly as needed.
16:06 Guest2604 Not a bad idea, though there are other decisions already in play. We'll be installing the server in a rack with other devices already running etc.
16:12 Guest2604 But if linode is that cheap, I may look into it for something of my own (thanks again).
16:12 Guest2604 Cheers everyone
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17:26 gaetan_B bye
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18:30 aleino[…]ter/en/manual.pdf is still down :(
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18:49 oleonard And
18:49 wahanui are the better stats to optimise
18:51 cait oleonard: down again?
18:52 cait probably the same thing happening all the time i guess
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18:55 cait hi tcohen
19:05 druthb cait!
19:25 cait oleonard: tablesorter plugin - did we get rid of that?
19:26 oleonard Yes
19:26 cait bug 13301
19:26 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13301 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, NEW , Call number link in search results is broken
19:27 cait h sorry... not that one
19:27 cait bug 13364
19:27 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13364 enhancement, P3, ---, simith.doliveira, Signed Off , Add a call number browser in item edition page
19:27 cait you can almost count on me getting th efirst bug number wrong always :)
19:28 cait it seems the patch adds it back, Joubu left a comment
19:32 oleonard Yeah adding it back would not be good.
19:32 cait i left a comment and failed it - hope you agree :)
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20:56 rangi morning
20:56 rangi anyone know any authority search targets?
20:56 rangi we could use to test bug 11961 ?
20:56 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11961 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, simith.doliveira, Needs Signoff , Add a "Z39.50 search" button to the authority creation and modfication forms.
20:57 cait hm yes
20:57 cait one sec
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21:25 eythian hi
21:35 * wizzyrea waves hello
21:47 * cait waves back
21:47 eythian how's the travels, cait
21:48 cait back home
21:48 cait and it was cold today
21:52 eythian @wunder nzwn
21:52 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 18.0°C (10:30 AM NZDT on January 21, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady).
21:52 eythian a bit cooler here right now, too
21:52 cait eythian: how long have you been packaging manager?
21:52 cait which version?
21:52 wahanui which version is, like, recommended
21:52 eythian umm
21:52 eythian a while
21:52 cait a while won't work here
21:53 eythian roughly since commit a1011ad I think
21:53 eythian Mon Jul 19 17:41:05 2010 +1200
21:54 cait which koha version is that?
21:54 eythian just finding out
21:54 cait thx :)
21:54 eythian cait: 3.2
21:54 cait rangi: are you still around?
21:54 cait thx!
21:55 eythian he's in a meeting
21:55 eythian cait: why do you need to know that, anyway?
21:55 cait 7143
22:02 eythian hmm, I prefer 3.x to 3.X when used as a wildcard.
22:02 eythian It seems more correct.
22:02 eythian </pedant>
22:03 eythian no wait
22:03 eythian <pedant>
22:03 eythian there, now I still have an excuse.
22:12 dcook 3.x does seem better than 3.X
22:12 * dcook goes back into the shadows  :p
22:14 eythian <-- breaking news!
22:15 cait eythian: i agree - but we are trying something new
22:16 cait 3.2+
22:16 eythian that's more betterer still
22:16 cait is that an agreement?
22:16 eythian does it look like it isn't?
22:19 cait um.
22:19 cait just checking
22:20 cait betterer? :)
22:22 eythian hey, whose language is this!
22:23 eythian get rid of gendered nouns, then we can talk!
22:23 wizzyrea ffs, if you .x then you don't have to hit shift.
22:23 wizzyrea come on, we are virtuous lazy people here
22:23 eythian (mostly because talking would be easier then)
22:23 eythian .x?
22:23 eythian oh
22:23 eythian heh
22:24 wizzyrea do you have a more considered reason for preferring .x to .X
22:24 eythian in mathematics, the standard variable is x, not X.
22:24 cait X looks like roman 10 to me :)
22:24 wizzyrea besides that you have to hit shift to reach a key combination that is on weak fingers on the non-dominant hand of most of the population?
22:25 wizzyrea your reason is good too.
22:25 wizzyrea but mine is "because lazy" so I think I win.
22:25 * wizzyrea declares herself world champion
22:25 dcook "Breaking news". Hehe. It's funny on multiple levels...
22:25 wizzyrea *snerk*
22:26 wizzyrea of course, that implies the privilege of qwerty keyboarding.
22:26 dcook I was just thinking that
22:27 cait ok, now oyu lost me
22:27 wizzyrea shift + x, i'm contending, is a hard key combo to type.
22:28 dcook Hmm, I think alphanumeric stuff is usually all right
22:28 dcook Some of the special character used to trip me up when speed typing...
22:28 dcook Like tilde and backtick... those aren't that comfortable
22:29 dcook I suppose + is not so great either..
22:29 dcook It does make your hands look kind of cool on the keyboard though
22:29 dcook Like they're dancing!
22:29 * dcook hasn't had breakfast yet..
22:30 rangi cait: yep back it's aleisha who would like to know :)
22:34 cait :)
22:34 cait hope it works
22:36 aleisha yep was good thanks cait!
22:36 cait np :)
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