IRC log for #koha, 2014-12-18

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00:09 rangi !jenkins_koha status
00:09 jenkins_koha rangi did you mean me? Unknown command '_koha'
00:09 jenkins_koha Use '!jenkins help' to get help!
00:09 rangi !jenkins status
00:09 jenkins_koha status of all projects:
00:09 jenkins_koha Koha Docs 3.16.x: last build: 5 (1 mo 3 days ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]0Docs%203.16.x/5/
00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_3.10.x: last build: 189 (10 mo ago): UNSTABLE: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_3.10.x/189/
00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_3.12.x(disabled) : last build: 1156 (5 mo 27 days ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_3.12.x/1156/
00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_3.12.x_D6: last build: 12 (2 mo 0 days ago): FAILURE: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]oha_3.12.x_D6/12/
00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_3.12.x_D7: last build: 10 (2 mo 4 days ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]oha_3.12.x_D7/10/
00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_3.12.x_U12: last build: 12 (2 mo 2 days ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_3.12.x_U12/12/
00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_3.12.x_U14: last build: 13 (2 mo 2 days ago): FAILURE: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_3.12.x_U14/13/
00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_3.14.x(disabled) : last build: 92 (6 mo 1 day ago): UNSTABLE: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.14.x/92/
00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_3.14.x_D6: last build: 48 (2 days 7 hr ago): FAILURE: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]oha_3.14.x_D6/48/
00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_3.14.x_D7: last build: 54 (2 days 7 hr ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]oha_3.14.x_D7/54/
00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_3.14.x_U12: last build: 52 (2 days 6 hr ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_3.14.x_U12/52/
00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_3.14.x_U14: last build: 55 (2 days 7 hr ago): FAILURE: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_3.14.x_U14/55/
00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_3.16.x(disabled) : last build: 771 (6 mo 2 days ago): FAILURE: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_3.16.x/771/
00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_3.16.x_D6: last build: 30 (6 days 11 hr ago): FAILURE: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]oha_3.16.x_D6/30/
00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_3.16.x_D7: last build: 30 (6 days 11 hr ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]oha_3.16.x_D7/30/
00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_3.16.x_U12: last build: 31 (6 days 11 hr ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_3.16.x_U12/31/
00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_3.16.x_U14: last build: 33 (6 days 11 hr ago): FAILURE: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_3.16.x_U14/33/
00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_3.18.x_D6(in queue) : last build: 6 (7 days 23 hr ago): FAILURE: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_3.18.x_D6/6/
00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_3.18.x_D7(in queue) : last build: 9 (7 days 23 hr ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_3.18.x_D7/9/
00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_3.18.x_U12: last build: 1 (16 days ago): FAILURE: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]oha_3.18.x_U12/1/
00:09 rangi yeah remind me not to do that again
00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_3.18.x_U14: last build: 6 (7 days 23 hr ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]oha_3.18.x_U14/6/
00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_3.8.x: last build: 368 (7 mo 16 days ago): FAILURE: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/368/
00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_Docs: last build: 585 (14 days ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_Docs/585/
00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_Docs_3.10.x: last build: 76 (9 mo 3 days ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]a_Docs_3.10.x/76/
00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_Docs_3.12.x: last build: 66 (3 mo 28 days ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]a_Docs_3.12.x/66/
00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_Docs_3.14.x: last build: 87 (1 mo 4 days ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]a_Docs_3.14.x/87/
00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_Docs_3.8.x: last build: 44 (1 yr 3 mo ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_Docs_3.8.x/44/
00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_master(disabled) : last build: 1931 (5 mo 27 days ago): ABORTED: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1931/
00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_Master_D6(BUILDING: 3 min 54 sec and counting): last build: 253 (49 min ago): FAILURE: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_Master_D6/253/
00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_Master_D7(BUILDING: 41 min and counting): last build: 270 (1 hr 24 min ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_Master_D7/270/
00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_Master_U12(BUILDING: 28 min and counting): last build: 273 (1 hr 29 min ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]a_Master_U12/273/
00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_Master_U12_MariaDB(BUILDING: 26 min and counting): last build: 199 (1 hr 30 min ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]_U12_MariaDB/199/
00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_Master_U14(BUILDING: 40 min and counting): last build: 259 (1 hr 27 min ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]a_Master_U14/259/
00:09 jenkins_koha Koha_Master_Webserver_Test: last build: 1 (4 days 23 hr ago): FAILURE: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Webserver_Test/1/
00:09 jenkins_koha master_maria(disabled) : last build: 805 (4 mo 7 days ago): FAILURE: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]master_maria/805/
00:10 rangi hmm i wonder why jenkins is being so quiet on job builds
00:10 * rangi goes to look
00:12 rangi ahh its set to only notify on failure, or on fix
00:12 rangi so if it builds fine, its silent
00:15 tcohen wizzyrea: around?
00:15 rangi shes at lunch
00:15 tcohen rangi: thanks
00:15 jenkins_koha Starting build #7 for job Koha_3.18.x_U14 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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00:24 wizzyrea hi tcohen :)
00:24 tcohen hi :-D
00:25 tcohen i attached a followup to a bug of yours
00:25 wizzyrea oh neat which?
00:25 wizzyrea I suppose it probably turned up in bug mail...
00:25 tcohen "for the sake of usability" on z39.50
00:25 tcohen or something like that
00:25 tcohen =D
00:25 tcohen was about to push it, really
00:26 tcohen along with yours, just wanted to check with the author
00:26 wizzyrea yeah, I agree with that
00:26 wizzyrea :)
00:26 wizzyrea I'll note it
00:27 wizzyrea oh also what's this "search items" thing we've got now in the staff client
00:27 wizzyrea 1. oh hey that's cool, 2. bah it doesn't seem to work?
00:27 wizzyrea also the add items screen - is it just me or has it gone a bit mad?
00:28 rangi[…]?biblionumber=649  <-- that screen? (user:staff pass:staff1)
00:29 rangi looks like a missing div or /div or something
00:29 wizzyrea yeah
00:29 wizzyrea well the fields too
00:29 wizzyrea oh no it's only when you've used teh fast add framework maybe?
00:29 wizzyrea that must be it.
00:30 wizzyrea[…]iblionumber=30647 > rangi
00:30 wizzyrea these two screens are different.
00:31 wizzyrea ^ that one with the FA framework
00:31 rangi yeah it's to do with the framework
00:31 rangi FA has a ton of fields for the item
00:32 wizzyrea I would ask why but I suspect it's a 123
00:32 rangi its mostly actually to do with the fact that that item has a lot more info defined
00:32 rangi than 649
00:32 rangi if i add more info to 649
00:38 dcook What looks weird at demo-intra...?
00:38 dcook Whoa... I see.. yeah that 30647 does look weird..
00:39 dcook m - Koha renewals?
00:39 wizzyrea yeah I need one with a clean DB I think.
00:39 wizzyrea to see if FA really does that
00:39 wizzyrea if it does OMG THAT IS SO DUMB (caps intentional, and deserved.)
00:39 dcook That's some weird Koha to MARC mapping...
00:40 wizzyrea I know, let's make a fast add that actually has MORE stuff!
00:40 dcook hehe
00:40 wizzyrea sorry I"ll stop raging soon I promise.
00:40 wizzyrea :)
00:40 wizzyrea to be fair it might be that DB
00:41 dcook Certainly looks like a DB config thing
00:42 wizzyrea naw i'm told that they've been mapped forever, but are normally hidden. I just need to nuke that fw and install the default fast add ;)
00:43 wizzyrea but not today.
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01:00 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_U12_MariaDB build #200: FAILURE in 1 hr 17 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]_U12_MariaDB/200/
01:00 jenkins_koha * Bug 11706: Typo fix for "efault" in old database update
01:00 jenkins_koha * Bug 10051: Separate first name and surname with comma in overdues report
01:00 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 13355: System preferences tab value wrong in templates
01:00 jenkins_koha * Mason James: fix for 13331 [Bug 13331] Subfield does not show in cataloging editor - if subfield is disabled in OPAC/enabled in Staff, via frameworks
01:00 jenkins_koha * Marc Veron: Bug 13410 - Untranslatable "Change messaging preferences to default for this category?"
01:00 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 13410 [QA Followup]
01:00 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 13368 Holds priority messed up on checkout
01:00 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11706 trivial, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Typo "efault" in
01:00 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10051 trivial, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , surname and first name should have comma in overdues report
01:00 jenkins_koha * Alexander Cheeseman: bug 13460: now uses Price plugin
01:00 jenkins_koha * Bug 12059: Publisher column on invoice page always empty
01:00 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 12059: Prefer to list fields in the query
01:00 jenkins_koha * Bug 12084: Format planned date in publication details on detail page
01:00 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13355 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , System preferences tab value wrong in templates
01:00 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13331 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Subfield does not show in cataloging editor - if subfield is disabled in OPAC/enabled in Staff, via frameworks
01:00 jenkins_koha * Marc Veron: Bug 13400: Untranslatable "Are you sure you want to delete this authority?"
01:00 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 13400 [QA Followup] - Fix tabs and quotes
01:00 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 13449 - Syndetics TOC will not display in some cases
01:00 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13410 trivial, P5 - low, ---, veron, Pushed to Master , Untranslatable "Change messaging preferences to default for this category?"
01:00 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13368 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Checking out an item not on loan, but with a hold, busts the holds priority
01:00 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13460 trivial, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Use price template toolkit plugin across all of intranet
01:00 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12059 minor, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Publisher code always empty on invoice
01:00 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12084 minor, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Published date for serial items not formatted according to dateformat system preference
01:00 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13400 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Pushed to Master , Untranslatable "Are you sure you want to delete this authority?"
01:00 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13449 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Syndetics TOC will not display in some cases
01:01 jenkins_koha Starting build #8 for job Koha_3.18.x_U14 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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01:19 wizzyrea aleisha++ that's a great one to sign off.
01:35 eythian[…]word-for-hobbits/
01:39 rangi heh
01:39 rangi should get that for nate
01:39 dcook hehe
01:40 wizzyrea heheh
01:46 jenkins_koha Starting build #9 for job Koha_3.18.x_U14 (previous build: SUCCESS)
01:58 wizzyrea confetti
01:58 wahanui confetti is[…]1qh8hleo1_400.gif
01:58 * wizzyrea just wanted to see that gif
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05:20 dcook "Checking the box right next the label will disable the entry and delete the values of that field on all selected patrons"
05:20 dcook You see... I read that... but I thought it was still necessary to check the box and enter a value...
05:20 dcook Nope O_O
05:20 * dcook is glad the nuke can be undid
05:25 eythian A nice thing to do would be have the text box disabled if the checkbox is checked, and visa-versa. Also to perhaps highlight the "delete" part if it is checked.
05:25 eythian I feel that that explanation text is too wordy to be easily understood.
05:27 * dcook agrees
05:30 jenkins_koha Starting build #11 for job Koha_3.18.x_U14 (previous build: SUCCESS)
06:02 ashimema_ morning
06:02 eythian ashimema_: hello
06:03 dcook yo ashimema_
06:03 * ashimema_ could do with some more sleep
06:03 * dcook hears that
06:04 ashimema_ /me's brain wouldn't stop working out dbic queries last night
06:04 * ashimema_ 's brain wouldn't stop working out dbic queries last night
06:04 ashimema_ hmm
06:04 ashimema_ anywho..
06:04 eythian sounds like nightmares
06:04 ashimema_ how are the two of you?
06:04 eythian sleepy
06:04 ashimema_ yup...
06:05 ashimema_ I woke up at 4am and have been coding ever since..
06:05 ashimema_ I have no idea what time it would be over there
06:05 eythian 7pm
06:07 ashimema_ beeing sleepy that early is bad ;)
06:07 eythian oh, yesterday was our xmas party. I may have had a late one :)
06:07 ashimema_ So.. as I've caught you awake, may I quiz you with regard to data migration workflows eythian?
06:07 eythian sure
06:07 ashimema_ haha.. I see..
06:08 ashimema_ I'm mostly interested in the 'where' in the equation..
06:08 ashimema_ i.e. where you carry out your data manipulation and then loading.
06:09 ashimema_ we're moving to using multi-tenant packages for live and I'm getting grief from our migrations guy as he's always had live systems running dev installs to play with before..
06:09 ashimema_ so he just did everything in place..
06:09 ashimema_ but on a multi-tenant live system with packages.. that approach scares the liing daylights out of me.
06:10 eythian hmm, so I do most of the stuff on my desktop, but when I have something to show someone, we put it on a test server.
06:10 ashimema_ and then to progress to live?
06:10 eythian sometimes we do it on the to-be-prod system if they're the only one on there, but I don't really like doing it on ones that are in prod use by other people.
06:10 eythian it feels dangerous
06:11 ashimema_ yeah.. that's my thoughts too.
06:11 eythian often we do a database dump from the test server and just load that into live.
06:11 dcook DBIC queries are good times...
06:11 * dcook is still looking at scrollback
06:11 ashimema_ I'm thinking.. Set up a dev type install for him for each new customer.. let him work as he always has.. then upon go live, migrate the db across
06:12 eythian There's a handy little thing with that that prevents accidents (i.e. the commit will abort if you try to put it into the wrong database if you cat the SQL into koha-mysql
06:12 eythian )
06:12 ashimema_ k.. so your pretty much along the same lines as me..
06:12 ashimema_ ooh.. that's a nice idea
06:12 eythian assuming you do the dump so that it has 'use database_name' at the top, and your database names between testing and prod match.
06:12 ashimema_ i was probably just thinking a normal db restore.. but your trick seems safer :)
06:13 ashimema_ that's the aim, yeah
06:13 eythian yeah, just the SQL dumps.
06:13 eythian Many of our clients have a test system that we provide for them as well, so it's easy enough to do it there.
06:13 ashimema_ are you running many multi-tenant servers?
06:14 eythian most of our hosted clients are on multitenant servers
06:14 ashimema_ I think it's the multi-tenant bit that he's most pushing against..
06:14 ashimema_ cool
06:14 eythian (but most of our servers are single tenant, because that's how maths works :)
06:14 ashimema_ that's where I'de like to be..
06:15 ashimema_ oh, I see..
06:15 ashimema_ I've got an NHS cluster going.. one multi-tenant server with 5 koha's..
06:15 ashimema_ and an accademic cluster with a further 3 koha's
06:16 ashimema_ but thus far everyone else is still dev installs on thier own vm each
06:16 ashimema_ which is less than efficient.
06:16 ashimema_ aim is to migrate them across one by one when I get the time
06:16 eythian ah yep
06:16 dcook eythian: that's how maths works?
06:17 eythian dcook: if you have 5 on server A, 5 on server B, and 1 each on servers X, Y, Z, then most clients are on few servers, but more servers are single tenant.
06:17 ashimema_ they don't actually have many hosted koha customers at catalyst dcook..
06:17 ashimema_ that's my understanding
06:17 eythian we don't have heaps, but we do have a few. Probably more since you last asked :)
06:17 ashimema_ that's nice to hear..
06:18 ashimema_ rangi really sruprised me with the numbers last time I spoke to him..
06:18 ashimema_ for such big players, you seemed to have very few hosted customers
06:18 dcook eythian: Ahh, I getcha now. Crafty :p.
06:18 eythian looks like 13 hosted, one more to go live early next year.
06:19 ashimema_ cool.. that's great news..
06:19 dcook eythian: Does that mean you remotely deploy or...?
06:19 ashimema_ our numbers scare me.. regarding supporting loads of seperate servers
06:19 eythian dcook: what do you mean?
06:19 eythian ashimema_: yeah, that can get hard work fast unless you're really good about using something like puppet.
06:19 dcook eythian: Maybe I'm not following y ou. 13 hosted clients or 13 servers for hosting?
06:20 eythian dcook: 13 libraries we host.
06:20 dcook And what about the ones you dont' host?
06:20 eythian similarish again
06:20 dcook Similarish?
06:20 eythian those have varying levels of support, depending on what they need/want.
06:20 eythian roughly the same number.
06:21 dcook But they're all self-hosted or hosted elsewhere or whatever, yeah?
06:21 dcook So 26?
06:21 dcook Hmm
06:21 dcook I'm surprised by those numbers too, ashimema_
06:21 eythian yeah, hosted on their infrastructure.
06:21 eythian typically we VPN/SSH in to do things for them.
06:21 dcook Neato burrito
06:21 dcook (to quote my younger sister)
06:22 ashimema_ I hate it when customers decide they want to self host
06:22 dcook I think the vast majority of ours are hosted
06:23 dcook hehe
06:23 dcook Actually, I think... all but one of ours are hosted
06:23 eythian it is a bit annoying, it means our sysadmins can't manage the server updates etc.
06:23 ashimema_ we actually charge the same or less for hosting it now as we do to support a cpy they host themselves
06:23 eythian the ones that host themselves tend to be lower maintenance.
06:23 ashimema_ I'd say 98% of our customers are now hosted..
06:24 dcook eythian: Yeah, the self-hosted one is really low maintenance
06:24 dcook I think we just have one..
06:24 ashimema_ yeah, we use salt-stack (like puppet and chef) for server management.. but it's not exactly all that well advanced yet..
06:24 dcook A few with dedicated servers and lots are multitenant
06:24 dcook ashimema_: neato. I was thinking of looking at that one
06:24 ashimema_ we grew very organically so it's been a ission to centralise server management after the fact
06:24 ashimema_ you use multitenant allot dcook..
06:24 ashimema_ cool
06:25 eythian yeah, we have similar issues, I'd really like to do something about that.
06:25 ashimema_ do you follow similar migration steps as eythian?
06:25 dcook ashimema_: Good question. I was just wondering about that
06:25 eythian one of these days I'll build a magic system that gives us autoscaling in openstack, but it's a fair bit of work.
06:25 ashimema_ haha.. indeed
06:26 dcook Yeah, I'm slowly moving us towards more magic
06:26 dcook Slowly but surely
06:26 dcook Well, robust magic
06:26 dcook There is always a bit of magic
06:26 ashimema_ It's really hard getting people to update their personal workflows..
06:26 dcook more robust*
06:26 dcook So true
06:26 * dcook has worked hard on that one
06:26 dcook As for migration...
06:26 ashimema_ I need good hard evidence of why our migrations guy should start doing them differently..
06:26 dcook I suppose my boss handles all the migrations
06:27 dcook So more of the coarse work
06:27 dcook While as I tend to do more work with finesse
06:27 ashimema_ the annoyance is to do it his old way we'de have to stick with a server per cusotmer which is expensive (both in terms of money and everyone elses time)
06:27 dcook Like... working out the last few details
06:27 dcook We have special setups for migrations and testing
06:28 ashimema_ I'd like to go along the lines of temporary test servers for the migration grunt.. then when ready for live migrate the database onto the live multi-tenant
06:28 dcook I point my dev install at the branch I need, throw in a DB, and then work
06:29 ashimema_ and blow away the temp server (after backing up of course)
06:29 ashimema_ yeah.. me too dcook
06:29 eythian dcook: that's how I do dev stuff too
06:29 dcook Mmm, we do have a line of backup servers which we sometimes use for things too
06:29 dcook Like if a client is already live but needs to migrate some new data
06:30 eythian oh yeah, we've got one of those coming up soon.
06:30 dcook We still have the backup of the database, but we swap the prod DB into the "live" backup
06:30 dcook So they can trouble shoot it
06:30 ashimema_ that's the case in point that my collegue is using to push back hard on.. 'but what fi they decide at future date x that they want more data migrating... I wan't all my work to just be there and workign for me already'
06:31 dcook I think a temporary system would be fine in that scenario
06:31 dcook Or not temporary.. but not dedicated
06:31 ashimema_ me too
06:31 dcook We sometimes use generic instances to load migration data and have clients look at that
06:31 ashimema_ I should script this.. the creation of a system part at least.
06:31 dcook It's the same code and the same DB
06:32 dcook ashimema_: should be easy enough :)
06:32 dcook Ah, but we don't use packages
06:32 dcook We use OpenSuse, so I've rigged up my own scripts
06:32 ashimema_ eythian,dcook.. how do you go about testing stuff that has to be tested on the live server before the live day then?
06:32 dcook One of these days I'll learn how to package RPMs for Suse...
06:32 ashimema_ for instance sip connections
06:32 eythian well, if we need to do more work on their data, we copy the prod DB into test and do it there, you need current data anyway.
06:33 eythian ashimema_: it's hopefully all good on the testing server
06:33 eythian but if need be, then we do it on the prod server.
06:33 dcook Alas, haven't had much experience with SIP so not sure about that one
06:33 eythian it's nicer if you can not do that though.
06:33 dcook Yeah, I suppose if you needed to do it on prod, you could always just make an adjacent instance... and then maybe tweak as necessary
06:33 dcook We don't have heaps of people using SIP though
06:34 dcook And the ones that do often have dedicated servers, iirc
06:34 ashimema_ yeah.. unfortunately most of our customers use sip self-checks and most demand that we check a few connections from the live server work before go live day
06:34 eythian we have a few, it's reasonably straightforward.
06:34 dcook Yeah, I'd probably just test it on prod then
06:35 ashimema_ just trying to think of anything else to ask whilst i've got you both ;)
06:35 dcook Haha, I am thinking of running out in a minute
06:35 ashimema_ do you add any custom background scripts to your multi-tenant live servers?
06:35 dcook Oh man... we have custom scripts coming out of everywhere
06:35 ashimema_ for instance a background job to sync user data with a customers local registry
06:35 * dcook actually did some tidying up today in fact..
06:35 dcook Ah, stuff like that
06:35 dcook Mmm
06:35 eythian we don't
06:36 dcook A bit
06:36 dcook Sometimes for integrating DSpace and Koha
06:36 dcook Or... shipping stuff off to Ebsco
06:36 ashimema_ I would like to standardise ours and stick it back in community.
06:36 eythian there's one system (that we don't host) that automatically moves prod data to their own testing server, but that's not very complicated.
06:36 ashimema_ but there will always be extra bits.. as you say like ebsco exports
06:36 dcook Yeah, and Ebsco can be a bit fiddly
06:36 eythian hmm, we might have something for ebsco, I'm not actually sure.
06:36 dcook We have a few others I think
06:36 dcook Depending on what the client needs
06:37 ashimema_ we have shed loads of custom scripts and customizations in general..
06:37 ashimema_ I'm desperately trying to ween us off them all
06:37 dcook \o/
06:37 dcook I think we only have...
06:38 * dcook checks
06:38 dcook Roughly 126 customizations to Koha
06:38 dcook A few of those are waiting for sign offs
06:38 dcook It's actually not a bad number... when I first started here I think it was around 230
06:38 dcook I've gotten in about 70-some patches I think
06:38 ashimema_ and are those spread randomly accross customers.. or shared customisation applied across all customers dcook
06:39 dcook And the other 30 I think weren't needed anymore as someone else in the community had done them
06:39 ashimema_ the fact you could give me a figure makes it sound like the later
06:39 dcook Yep
06:39 dcook We control a lot of things with system preferences
06:39 ashimema_ lol.. all part of the same game plan..
06:39 dcook And other options
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06:40 dcook Really though, I'd love to reduce that 126 by a lot
06:40 dcook Slowly but surely...
06:40 eythian we have a few branches for different people, but whenever we can we try to lose customisations.
06:40 ashimema_ i'm going through customers one at a time and cleaning up their custom work for submission into community. ;)
06:40 ashimema_ but at the moment they're all running very different branches to each other :'(
06:40 dcook :(
06:40 dcook Yeah, we pretty much support two versions at a time and everyone runs on the same
06:40 eythian we group them into classes, and so one customised branch is used by many libraries, even if they're on different servers.
06:41 dcook Well, I guess three versions at the moment, but no one is on the third. It's just an OAI harvester tester
06:41 dcook eythian: sounds like a good way of doing it
06:41 ashimema_ that's exactly where Id like to get to eythian.
06:41 eythian it just reduces the branch management mess a bit.
06:41 ashimema_ deffo
06:41 ashimema_ mess being the operative word there
06:41 ashimema_ cheers guys.. that's really helped.
06:42 dcook :)
06:42 dcook Glad to have helped
06:42 dcook And one day... that 126 will be far lower...
06:42 dcook It's mostly about having the time to upstream changes
06:42 ashimema_ now to go back to our migrations man and tell him he's being needlessly silly.
06:42 dcook We have a lot of clients O_O
06:42 dcook And we're always working on new things too
06:42 dcook hehe
06:42 dcook I didn't say anything about anyone being silly :p
06:42 dcook But yeah, I think you and he have options
06:43 eythian hi cait
06:43 ashimema_ i'm looking at it from the 'greater good' picture..
06:43 ashimema_ the compan would do better as a whole if the larger number of people had less work and we had less hardware expense
06:43 ashimema_ ;)
06:43 ashimema_ that's going to be my sales pitch
06:43 * cait waves
06:43 cait was reading back
06:43 ashimema_ morning cit
06:44 eythian ashimema_: want us to send some people your way to build you an openstack cluster? :)
06:44 dcook :D
06:44 dcook hey cait
06:44 cait :)
06:44 dcook I should really go home..
06:44 dcook Actually, I should go look for gardening stuff
06:44 eythian me too, just ran security updates for everyone.
06:44 dcook We just got a vermicomposting bin yesterday
06:44 eythian well, all the ones that we do that for that aren't internal.
06:44 eythian and only the ones with a working VPN...
06:46 ashimema_ i'm not sure an openstack cluster would really win us anything eythian ;)
06:46 eythian we're wanting to eventually move all our stuff onto it
06:46 ashimema_ we can already scale our servers up and down dynamically as we need to..
06:46 eythian ah right
06:46 ashimema_ i'm not sure what openstack does better ;)
06:46 ashimema_ can't really remember it's main selling point
06:47 eythian I want to have it all automatic in the end, so at night there might only be one server, but during the day when things are busy it scales up to handle the load.
06:47 eythian so all clients behind one load balancer, and on any number of identical web frontends talking to a separate search and db server.
06:48 ashimema_ ooh.. that is cool
06:48 ashimema_ we're not doing that sort of load balancing at all yet..
06:48 eythian it'll be a while before we get there though :)
06:48 ashimema_ though I'd like to move that way..
06:48 ashimema_ at the moment, if a system seems as though it's getting bogged down, we just increase it's resources..
06:49 ashimema_ our system basically has a 'performance' slider.. which increases cpu cores and ram
06:49 eythian we'd also like to have a website where you can buy your own koha instance and it just adds stuff to make it happen automatically, but that'll be even further off.
06:49 ashimema_ biblibre do that I beleive
06:49 ashimema_ I'de also like to do that.. but the guys above me don;'t think it's worth our time
06:50 eythian oh yeah? The main issue is that koha instances are fairly heavyweight. I don't know if that is avoidable though.
06:50 ashimema_ I thought they did..
06:50 dcook Hmm, that does sound interesting...
06:51 eythian in the medium term, I'd like to get the instances able to be deployed by puppet.
06:51 ashimema_ I 'think'
06:51 dcook Oh no... not the configuration manager conversation... I was just about to go...
06:52 * dcook is going to get back to Chef and AWS on Monday... and maybe start using Ansible for his personal computers
06:52 eythian ashimema_: that sure looks like it
06:52 * dcook runs off before anyone can say anything more
06:52 eythian my French is more or less non-existant however.
06:52 dcook night all
06:52 wahanui goodnight dcook. You'll be back.
06:52 eythian later dcook
06:52 * dcook will look at the French stuff in the morning :p
06:52 * dcook really goes this time
06:54 ashimema_ our hosting providers use Ansible dcook
06:54 ashimema_ I 'think' i've i'de found Ansible before Salt I may have used it
06:54 ashimema_ i use google translate eythian
06:55 eythian that would have been sensible :)
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06:59 eythian also time for me to go, later ashimema_, cait
07:00 * Oak waves
07:00 ashimema_ night mate
07:00 Oak later Mr. Robin
07:00 cait bye eythian, hi Oak
07:00 Oak hello Katrin
07:01 cait :)
07:01 Oak :)
07:01 Oak how is Marcus?
07:05 cait good i think, gonna visit themfor christmas
07:06 Oak cool.
07:07 Oak he has a sister as well now?
07:10 cait no still no nieces :)
07:13 Oak :) okay.
07:34 magnuse Oak
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07:35 marcelr hi #koha
07:37 cait hi marcelr :)
07:37 marcelr :)
07:37 * magnuse waves
07:38 cait bbiab
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07:44 reiveune hello
07:53 marcelr hi magnuse and reiveune
07:54 reiveune hi marcelr dcook rangi
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08:11 drojf good morning #koha
08:11 magnuse moin drojf
08:12 drojf hei magnuse
08:15 magnuse :-)
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08:21 cait good morning #koha
08:22 drojf hi cait
08:22 cait hi drojf :)
08:22 cait feeling better?
08:23 drojf not sure yet :)
08:29 cait hm
08:35 magnuse kia ora cait
08:36 cait hi magnuse
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08:45 gaetan_B hello
08:46 cait hi gaetan_B
09:03 Oak magnuse
09:03 ashimema I is confused
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09:08 magnuse ashimema: anything we can do to help?
09:08 * magnuse waves at akafred
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09:50 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
09:53 mtompset I'm trying to make sense of the plack instructions on the wiki.
09:53 mtompset Anyone around who is familiar with Plack?
10:23 nlegrand Hey #koha
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10:33 BobB hi
10:34 BobB does anyone know what the account type FU represents, in the Patron (Fines) module?
10:37 magnuse hiya nlegrand and BobB
10:37 nlegrand o/ magnuse
10:38 magnuse BobB: Fine Unpaid?[…]Hard_Coded_Values
10:38 BobB hi magnuse
10:39 BobB yeah, I thought of that, but how would it be different to F (Fine)?
10:39 magnuse heh, no idea
10:40 BobB I do notice that for the particular item the fine has maxed out at the 'Overdue Fines Cap'
10:41 BobB So FO or FM might have made sense, but FU?
10:42 BobB we'll look in the code then
10:42 BobB thx magnuse
10:45 cait fines unpaid
10:45 cait i think it's about being returned or not, but not totally sure
10:46 magnuse maybe there are some hints in Bug 9626
10:46 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9626 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , can't pay FU fines without messing things up
10:47 drojf bug 13465 may be qa'd :)
10:47 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13465 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Fields controlled by authorized values cannot be unset (Lost, damaged, not for loan status, ...)
10:53 cait Joubu++
10:53 cait will try tonight, but hoping someone beats me to it
10:56 gaetan_B is down ?
10:57 cait .org?
10:57 cait :)
10:57 gaetan_B :-|
10:57 cait browser autocomplete?
10:57 gaetan_B good point cait :)
10:57 cait happy to be able to help :)
11:00 gaetan_B there is something at though, but it just serves a blank page
11:02 paxed FU == Fine Update
11:03 cait ah
11:04 paxed C4/ has a FIXME listing the codes.
11:26 BobB ok, thank you paxed
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14:16 mveron hi #koha
14:16 mveron @wunder Allschwil
14:16 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Wetter Allschwil, Allschwil, Switzerland is 11.8°C (3:16 PM CET on December 18, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 99%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
14:16 magnuse bye #koha
14:16 magnuse @wunder boo
14:16 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -1.0°C (2:50 PM CET on December 18, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: -8.0°C. Windchill: -9.0°C. Pressure: 29.09 in 985 hPa (Steady).
14:16 mveron bye magnuse :-)
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14:33 drojf hi mveron :)
14:33 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
14:33 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berolinastr., Berlin-Mitte, Berlin, Germany is 9.9°C (3:30 PM CET on December 18, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Windchill: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady).
14:33 mveron hi drojf :-)
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17:21 gaetan_B bye
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17:46 KotH a wonderfull evening!
17:51 KotH i installed koha on a debian/stable machine from the koha repository. everything works fine, but responce time of koha is abysimally slow. every access takes seconds (between 1 and 20 seconds)
17:51 KotH the system seems to spend time in some of the perl scripts
17:52 reiveune bye
17:52 KotH is this a known problem? if so, any hints how to fix it (i couldnt find anything in the bug reports), if it isnt how can i further investigate the cause?
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17:52 cait KotH: not sure - 20 seconds istoo long
17:53 KotH yes, i'm surprised apache doesnt time out
17:53 ashimema any script in particular might at least narrow it down..
17:53 KotH ok, the machine is veeeery old. a dual P-III 1GHz
17:53 KotH but i thought it's fine for testing :)
17:53 ashimema I run koha for dev purposes on a 1 core 1 gb ram system..
17:54 ashimema and it ticks along ok
17:55 KotH login takes 5 seconds... spending most of the time in
17:58 ashimema ooh..
17:58 ashimema now that is odd..
17:58 ashimema that's usually very snappy..
17:58 ashimema it's searching the catalogue that really slows on an underpowered system..
17:58 ashimema I'm afraid I've gotta go cook the daughters dinner now..
17:59 ashimema but should be back later if your still struggling
17:59 KotH oki. have fun
18:00 drojf KotH: how much RAM dou you have? if you run into swap it can get pretty slow
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18:01 drojf *do
18:01 KotH 1.8G
18:01 KotH and no, the system isnt swapping
18:01 KotH that was the first thing i checked
18:02 drojf hm no that should be ore than enough
18:02 drojf *more
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18:09 KotH the strace output looks like perl is spending most of its time to look for modules to load
18:09 KotH which is ... weird
18:16 drojf KotH:  one thing that seemed to slow down things for me in the opac was a 'color.css' entry in opaccolorstylesheet that referenced a file that did not exist
18:17 KotH i didnt see any stats on that
18:17 * KotH wonders whether he should use mod_perl
18:21 cait hm no
18:21 cait KotH: strange question maybe, but how did you install and from where?
18:22 cait just checking to make sure :)
18:24 KotH i put "deb squeeze main" into my sources.list and then just "apt-get install koha-common"
18:24 KotH system is a debian/stable (wheezy)
18:25 KotH perl 5.14
18:25 wahanui perl 5.14 is from Ubuntu.
18:25 cait hm ok
18:40 * chris_n give his zebra a swift kick
18:41 chris_n reindexing gets hung and borks with "zebraidx(439) [warn] Couldn't open collection.abs [No such file or directory]" and cranks up the CPU load thusly:  4.77, 1.97, 1.04
18:42 chris_n I don't recall a collection.abs; is that something new in the last couple of years?
18:45 KotH eh.. it is loading modules... most stime is spend in  Class::Accessor::Grouped::__ANON_​_[Class/Accessor/] shortly followed by Class::C3::Componentised::ensure_class_loaded
18:46 * chris_n figures that zebraidx should fail gracefully at least
18:47 chris_n but then, come to think of it, zebra never did anything graceful anyway
18:51 drojf chris_n: you got switched to dom while you actually use grs indexing
18:52 drojf see bug 13396
18:52 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13396 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , koha-rebuild-zebra: Couldn't open collection.abs error after 3.18 package update
18:53 * KotH gets the impression that his perl is borked
18:54 drojf chris_n: add to your koha-conf.xml the lines
18:54 drojf <zebra_bib_index_mode>grs1</zebra_bib_index_mode>
18:54 drojf <zebra_auth_index_mode>grs​1</zebra_auth_index_mode>
18:54 drojf <zebra_lockdir>/var/lock/koha​/__KOHASITE__</zebra_lockdir>
18:54 drojf <use_zebra_facets>0</use_zebra_facets>
18:54 drojf (change the _KOHASITE_ )
18:59 chris_n drojf++
18:59 chris_n interestingly enough, this was an update of a dev install rather than a package
18:59 chris_n apparently this got messed up when I re-ran Makefile.PL
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19:32 * chris_n was bragging on Koha to the county library when they pointed me to their "new" system
19:32 chris_n I looked and this is what I saw:
19:32 chris_n :-)
19:32 * chris_n pokes gmcharlt
19:34 cait :)
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19:42 wizzyrea chris_n: I guess we can't be too mad about that.
19:43 chris_n no, it was just a very hilarious coincidence!
19:44 wizzyrea feels like that issue with GRS1 should be fixed.
19:44 chris_n there's nothing like heralding the benefits of OSS software only to be told "we're there" :-)
19:44 * chris_n agrees on the GRS1 foo
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19:59 chris_n more index problems :-P
19:59 chris_n Entity: line 109: parser error : Extra content at the end of the document
19:59 chris_n <record
19:59 chris_n ^
19:59 chris_n but a quick look at the marcxml fields in biblioitems seems to show everything is intact
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20:12 wizzyrea weird.
20:22 rangi germs
20:22 rangi germs?
20:22 wahanui well, germs is
20:22 rangi germs?
20:22 wahanui rumour has it germs is
20:22 rangi germs?
20:22 wahanui Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.
20:23 cait hmpf?
20:23 rangi hehe
20:23 rangi kristina has germs
20:31 cait hmpf?
20:32 wizzyrea poor kristina.
20:33 ibeardslee She must have partied too hard on Wednesday
20:34 ibeardslee A number of other people seemed to have pickup up illnesses yesterday.
20:37 rangi she didnt even go to the party, she did some work til about 7 then went home cos she had to do a conference call thing to the US early next morning
20:37 rangi so, not partying enough i think is the problem
20:38 cait wow
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21:14 KotH btw: does anyone run koha on an x86 (ie 32bit)?
21:14 * KotH is getting the impression he stumbled over a perl bug that only manifests itself on x86
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22:34 cbrannon Is bugzilla slow today?
22:34 wnickc cbrannon: thanks for that reports info, I just kept banging my head against that %5 with variables
22:35 cbrannon wnickc: no problem
22:36 wnickc I get it enough to make it work now, but it still feels like magic
22:37 cbrannon sql=magic
22:37 cbrannon Actually sql>magic
22:39 cbrannon wnickc: how well do you know the inventory tool?
22:39 wnickc I mean, we've talked at a few parties, but we don't hang out
22:39 dcook I'd have to go with magic>sql :p
22:39 cbrannon haha
22:39 cbrannon :)
22:40 cbrannon wnickc: Have you used the tool?
22:40 wnickc I have dabbled, we actually decided to just check in every item because it didn't have the functions we wanted when we tried
22:41 wnickc but it has been Kyled and should be better now
22:41 cbrannon "Kyled" - I like that.
22:41 cait good night all :)
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22:46 wnickc did you have a specific thing you were trying to do with it?
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22:55 cbrannon wnickc: trying to figure out the messages
22:56 dcook message?
22:56 wahanui hmmm... message is a warning not an error.
22:56 dcook message is also the medium is the message
22:56 wahanui okay, dcook.
22:56 dcook message?
22:56 wahanui hmmm... message is the medium is the message
22:56 dcook damn
22:56 dcook I did that all wrong :p
22:56 dcook forget message
22:56 wahanui dcook: I forgot message
22:56 dcook message?
22:56 dcook medium?
22:56 dcook medium is the message
22:56 dcook medium?
22:56 wahanui medium is the message
22:56 dcook I don't even buy it, but it sounds good
22:57 wnickc :)
22:57 dcook Hmm, looks like Windows 8.1 has crapped out again...
22:57 wnickc If I had a nickel...
23:02 cbrannon nickel?
23:02 cbrannon nickel is the message
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23:46 cbrannon Has anyone tried  Pretty cool.
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23:57 dac cbrannon: Interesting. I wonder how it works...

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