IRC log for #koha, 2014-12-02

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00:31 mtj hi mtompset
00:32 mtompset Greetings, mtj.
00:32 mtj it looks like an impressive tool, from the doco ->[…]oxy/index.en.html
00:32 * mtj hasnt got round to trying it yet..
00:33 mtompset The UI isn't as friendly as I'd like (under Wndows), but it certainly has given me things to think about. :)
00:33 mtj yep, it can only but help inprove koha :)
00:33 mtj improve
00:34 mtj i remember rangi experimenting with 'fuzzing' koha, a while ago..
00:35 * mtj cant recall the tool, but it wasnt vega
00:36 rangi arachni scanner
00:36 rangi
00:36 rangi its really cool
00:36 mtj ta chris :p
00:36 rangi find the crsf is easy, fixing it not so much
00:37 mtj meh, always the way huh.. :(
00:39 mtj could be a goodthing to run a scan, as part of a koha release?
00:39 mtj could diff the report against the last one
00:40 rangi yep
00:46 mtj actually, would be an interesting exercise to run a scan for the last few releases
00:46 mtj .. and do some diffs
00:47 mtj we might even spot, in which release a bug got introduced
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00:54 rangi does anyone know was the bug when you checkout an item, that it doesnt reorder the holds correctly reported?
00:56 mtj bug 13168 ?
00:56 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13168 normal, P5 - low, ---, olli-antti.kivilahti, Pushed to Master , "Today's checkouts" sort improperly because issuedate lacks seconds.
00:57 mtj perhaps rangi ? ^
00:57 rangi hmm nope
00:57 rangi in 3.14.x at least
00:58 rangi since the holds were switched to run off a primary key
00:58 rangi when you issue on, it finishes the hold
00:58 rangi and then it tries to reorder it, using that id
00:58 rangi so the query fails, and it reorders nothing
00:59 mtj aah, i was reading reorder, as in 'sort a list'
01:00 rangi its fixing the priority i should say
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01:08 rangi ah ha
01:11 * wizzyrea loves the rangi lightbulbs
01:12 rangi -        _FixPriority({ reserve_id => $reserve_id });
01:12 rangi +        _FixPriority({ reserve_id => $reserve_id, biblionumber => $biblionumber });
01:12 rangi fix
01:13 wizzyrea rangi++
01:20 rangi bug 13368
01:20 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13368 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Checking out an item not on loan, but with a hold, busts the holds priority
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01:57 eythian[…]39587982303313920 <-- rangi
01:57 rangi sweet
01:57 eythian (you'll note the logo behind the barcode)
01:58 rangi yep
02:03 mtj ooh, is it the kiwicon beer eythian?
02:03 eythian ayup
02:03 eythian you going?
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02:05 ibeardslee eythian: can you sneak a bottle out for me?
02:05 mtj naw, would love too - but will be out of town :/
02:06 mtj im loving this year's graphix - very jeff minter
02:07 tcohen hi
02:07 eythian ibeardslee: get your own, you know where the malty is.
02:08 ibeardslee so not completely exclusive to Kiwicon
02:08 eythian I'm not sure.
02:09 tcohen night eythian
02:09 eythian But the chances of me successfully smuggling a bottle out are also pretty low
02:09 eythian tcohen: hi
02:09 tcohen are you already working on koha-plack or smth similar?
02:10 eythian I think I did some stuff with it
02:10 eythian to make it also convert the staff client
02:10 tcohen i'd like to help on getting full plack support
02:12 eythian bywater is planning on doing some testing
02:13 bag yes yes we are :)
02:13 bag but I need you all to give me more memory first :D
02:13 eythian bag also has an alert on the word "bywater" I guess :)
02:14 bag :P
02:19 tcohen anyway, we've already generated all our demo sites using the fresh 3.18 packages and everything seems to go smooth for now
02:20 tcohen the only thing lacking: speed
02:20 tcohen :-D
02:32 wizzyrea I'd really like to see the "edit items" page
02:33 wizzyrea and the record detail page
02:33 wizzyrea merged.
02:33 wizzyrea something like, click "add item" to expand the add item form within that, and update the item list below in an ajax-y way.
02:34 wizzyrea and do away with the big edit item page (except for adds that happen after new records)
02:34 wizzyrea or maybe not.
02:34 wizzyrea the fact that you can batch modify from the detail page, and not from the "edit items" page
02:34 wizzyrea is really a bummer for me
03:07 wizzyrea @wunder nzwn
03:07 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (3:30 PM NZDT on December 02, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
03:07 eythian it should be warming up by now.
03:07 eythian but it isn't really
03:15 wizzyrea yeah, apparently it's clear across the whole country atm.
03:15 wizzyrea is a very 'fresh' southerly.
03:15 wizzyrea nice surf in lyall bay tho :P
04:03 mtompset @wunder l7e5y5
04:03 huginn mtompset: The current temperature in Wilshire-Thornhill, Vaughan, Ontario is -6.0°C (10:59 PM EST on December 01, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: -11.0°C. Windchill: -9.0°C. Pressure: 30.68 in 1039 hPa (Rising).
04:04 mtompset That explains why my feet are cold. :)
04:35 mtompset wizzyrea++ # for knowing about the security team. :)
04:38 eythian some of us are in it :) I presume wizzyrea is, but I'm not sure.
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06:03 * mtompset waves.
06:03 mtompset Have a great day, #koha.
06:37 * magnuse waves
06:39 magnuse @wunder boo
06:39 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 2.0°C (7:20 AM CET on December 02, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady).
06:39 magnuse snow on the ground - going to rain during the day
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07:57 alex_a bonjour
07:57 wahanui niihau, alex_a
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08:10 magnuse bonjour paul_p
08:10 magnuse ready for swib?
08:10 paul_p hi magnuse
08:10 paul_p sitted 3m to cait ;-)
08:10 magnuse yay
08:11 magnuse did you go to a workshop yesterday?
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08:15 * cait waves
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08:27 nlegrand_ Hey o/
08:28 cait hi nlegrand_
08:28 nlegrand_ ho
08:31 magnuse hiya nlegrand
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08:42 Joubu hello #koha
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08:58 magnuse @seen pianohacker
08:58 huginn magnuse: pianohacker was last seen in #koha 6 days, 9 hours, 56 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: <pianohacker> wow, that word
09:11 nlegrand hey magnuse o/
09:14 cait coffee break
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10:13 cait @wunder Bonn
10:13 huginn cait: The current temperature in Johanniterviertel (Gronau), Bonn, Germany, Bonn, Germany is 2.8°C (11:13 AM CET on December 02, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
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10:39 Joubu I have just submited 2 trivial ergonomics improvement for 3.18, on bug 13369 and bug 13370
10:39 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13369 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , [Datatables] tr and td are not correctly highlighted
10:39 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13370 minor, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Inputs overflow in filters
10:42 cait Joubu: without my laptop until thursday :(
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11:06 nlegrand Is it me or OpacRenewalAllowed permits a patron to renew a hold he is late on?
11:07 cait hm i think there might be another pref maybe
11:07 cait i think this is the general switch
11:08 cait nlegrand: i think some libraries want it that way - but i don't remember if it's cnfigurable and where right now :(
11:10 nlegrand cait: thanks :), there is a little tension here as we got aware of it :)
11:10 nlegrand ho
11:12 sophie_m cait nlegrand, some of our customers report it as a bug :(
11:12 nlegrand renew a loan, not a hold, sorry
11:13 nlegrand sophie_m: argh
11:20 nlegrand sophie_m: we're going to try RenewalPeriodBase set on "the old due date of the checkout" as a workaround. We hope it will prevent us from misuses or hacks to make a loan super long...
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11:22 sophie_m thanks for the clue nlegrand
11:25 magnuse cait++ for prodding bug 11190 along
11:25 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11190 new feature, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Failed QA , -- Generate a Catalog sitemap
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11:41 drojf hi #koha
11:47 magnuse moin drojf
11:47 drojf hi magnuse
11:49 drojf magnuse: not at swib?
11:49 magnuse nope, not this year, sadly
11:50 drojf i wanted to watch the stream but my notebook went crazy and needed fixing. now they have lunch break apparently
11:59 magnuse ah, there is a stream?
12:15 magnuse kia ora khall!
12:15 khall mornin!
12:16 drojf magnuse:
12:17 magnuse drojf: thanks
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12:46 drojf i think i can see cait in the stream
12:47 magnuse wave cait wave
12:49 drojf they switched cameras, too late :D
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12:49 tcohen morning!
12:50 meliss Good morning!
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13:03 oleonard Hi #koha
13:07 cait hi oleonard
13:07 cait today is a quiet day it appears
13:08 magnuse cait: 'cause you are not here :-)
13:08 oleonard Oh no, cait's not here?
13:09 * oleonard leaves
13:09 cait so you are saying i am talkig on #koha all day?
13:10 magnuse cait: you are the life of the party
13:11 magnuse i'll soon be working on a cli script that will ingest some xml and create or update koha borrowers accordingly. XML::Simple is used elsewhere in Koha, but "The use of this module in new code is discouraged". anyone got a favourite alternative?
13:11 magnuse i have used XML::LibXML::Simple in another project, but i did not quite like the data structure it produced
13:11 magnuse Catmandu::Importer::XML might be an interesting option
13:15 cait ashimema also was looking into a rewrite of the patrn import, not sure but he might have an idea
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13:22 tcohen I liked XML::Twig
13:28 magnuse tcohen: thanks, will have a look
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14:28 schnydszch Hi all. In Koha 3.16.4, when I searched the OPAC in advance search, I get this instead: Software error:  Empty String at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 235 What does this mean?
14:31 nengard looks like there is an error in your xslt
14:32 nengard so i'd check to make sure your prefs are set to 'default'
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14:34 schnydszch thanks nicole, i haven't done any modifications in the xslt i am using, it was actually working before. I'll take a look. Thanks!
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14:40 Joubu oleonard: thanks for your quick SO! :)
14:54 oleonard You're welcome, and thanks for the patches Joubu
15:02 tcohen schnydszch: are you using XSLT at all?
15:02 tcohen maybe you put a space on the field
15:05 schnydszch yep i'm using customized XSLT
15:06 schnydszch this was working before, but now, it isn't. from 3.14 to 3.16.1, 3.16.3 then 3.16.4
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15:09 oleonard schnydszch: You could eliminate the possibility that the fault is in the custom XSLT by setting the preference back to "default" and testing.
15:10 schnydszch okay oleonard. will try
15:12 schnydszch and yes it's working with default.. hmm what could have happened with my xslt :)
15:12 schnydszch i think my drupal installation in the server messed up my xslt: http://li628-210.members.linod[…]ACResults_fhl.xsl
15:14 tcohen maybe the path to the file changed in Koha
15:14 oleonard schnydszch: How would your Drupal installation have had access to Koha files?
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15:15 schnydszch probably with htaccess
15:15 schnydszch in drupal.. i dunno
15:16 schnydszch li628 is the default domain name of the server from the service provider, i've just changed it to the correct domain
15:16 schnydszch name
15:17 tcohen ah, that's why, "the correct" matches a different virtualhost probably
15:17 schnydszch this is the correct domain name and where the xslt should be: http://opac.filipinaslibrary.o[…]ACResults_fhl.xsl
15:19 tcohen ah
15:20 tcohen just use that then
15:20 tcohen looks good
15:20 schnydszch I've just corrected it. Thanks all for pointing me. Cheers! And good job tcohen with the Koha video :)
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15:29 * Oak waves
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16:04 * cait waves
16:04 cait denials++
16:05 cait nice presentation :)
16:05 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed!
16:05 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
16:05 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_U12 build #268: FIXED in 1 hr 0 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]a_Master_U12/268/
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18:44 tcohen bbl
18:44 tcohen bye!
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20:11 wizzyrea @later tell mtompset not on the security team, but it's my business to know things about Koha. :)
20:11 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
20:13 rangi @later tell mtompset it's pretty much all the past release managers and release maintainers (plus current)
20:13 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded.
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20:28 rangi @later tell joubu  <-- is this an ok way to do it?
20:28 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded.
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21:31 tcohen morning kiwis
21:32 rangi hey tcohen
21:32 tcohen hi rangi
21:32 eythian hi tcohen
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21:36 tcohen ?
21:37 eythian ¿
21:39 tcohen i got reconnected dunno why
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22:10 * eythian wonders if the koha list is broken, the last post seems to be from me as of yesterday
22:19 tcohen interesting: sysprefs search looks awful in chrome, beautyful in firefox
22:22 pianohacker tcohen: sysprefs search? how so
22:22 tcohen a sec
22:23 tcohen
22:23 tcohen look at maxRecordsForFacets for example
22:25 * tcohen thinks the 'term' span might me being used on some other place
22:30 pianohacker oh, hrm, yes, that styling is iffy
22:30 pianohacker what css does it have for it?
22:30 pianohacker anything obviously wrong?
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22:35 wizzyrea ie--
22:36 wizzyrea gotta be something about javascript.
22:36 wizzyrea the highlighting javascript.
22:36 tcohen pianohacker: i'm still looking, If I change the span for an i (under the asumption it is matching some selector used for other stuff, didn't work :/
22:36 tcohen the span introduction is hardcoded on jquery.highlight-3.js btw
22:37 wizzyrea seems that latest chrome has several problems with javascript
22:37 wizzyrea see: the email to the list about the patron search
22:41 jcamins wizzyrea: the last message I saw was about CSRF.
22:41 wizzyrea it was before those :)
22:41 jcamins Do you know if Chrome on all platforms is having issues?
22:41 wizzyrea a whole thread of things.
22:41 jcamins Oh, I'll search, then.
22:42 wizzyrea only windows for that one
22:42 tcohen oh
22:42 jcamins Oh, from Oak.
22:42 wizzyrea yeah
22:42 wizzyrea it may be that the version of jquery we are using has problems with chrome on windows.
22:42 tcohen it seems <free text><span><free text> renders wrong
22:43 tcohen but <span>free text><span><free text></span> does it ok
22:43 wizzyrea errr
22:43 * cait waves
22:43 wizzyrea hi cait :)
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22:44 tcohen hi cait!!!!!
22:44 cait yeah still alive
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22:44 cait kind of :)
22:44 tcohen we miss u!!
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22:46 cait :)
22:47 * wnickc waves
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22:57 eythian cait: where have you been?
22:57 tcohen she's been in Catmandu
22:58 cait heh not today
22:58 cait today was conference day
22:58 cait another 2/3 day tomorrow, then travelling back home
22:58 tcohen @wunder kathmandu
22:58 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in patan, PATAN, Nepal is 8.1°C (4:43 AM NPT on December 03, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Falling).
22:59 eythian oh, of course, the conference on the thing that she's learning everything about so that she can help with ES stuff.
22:59 eythian How could I forget that
22:59 * cait forgot that
22:59 tcohen =D
23:00 tcohen bug 13375
23:00 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13375 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Syspref search highlight styling broken in Chrome
23:01 tcohen if someone comes up with a better solution...
23:08 wizzyrea Browsers are (rightfully) getting more and more picky about good html, seems like.
23:20 denials thanks cait!
23:22 cait i really enjoyed your presentation
23:24 cait so thank you :)
23:24 denials I was worried it was a bit of a mismatch with the others, being more ranty than technical, but I believe in the message :)
23:25 cait well yours was my favourite - maybe i like ranty :)
23:26 cait i will try to take a look at the sitemap patch soon - it's now waiting for qa
23:26 denials Wow, I am *honoured* - the quality of the other talks has been very high!
23:26 eythian I find less-technical talks at a fairly technical conference are often appreciated.
23:26 denials eythian: perhaps even more so at 4:00 PM :)
23:26 cait denials: just a bit sad i didn't get to question you some about evergeen :)
23:28 cait yeah long days here
23:28 cait ... and i guess i better go to sleep then :)
23:29 tcohen denials?
23:29 wahanui denials is *honoured* - the quality of the other talks has been very high!
23:29 cait ah wahanui...
23:32 cait germs?
23:32 wahanui somebody said germs was
23:32 cait eythian: did you chagne it?
23:32 eythian wahanui: germs
23:32 wahanui Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.
23:32 eythian wahanui: cait
23:32 wahanui i guess cait is very pale, and needs lots of sun lotion.
23:32 eythian wahanui: cait
23:32 wahanui it has been said that cait is just silly on a train again
23:32 eythian wahanui: cait
23:32 wahanui i heard cait was just silly on a train again
23:32 eythian wahanui: cait
23:32 wahanui i guess cait is very pale, and needs lots of sun lotion.
23:32 eythian hmm
23:32 eythian I though there was another there
23:33 eythian wahanui: literal cait
23:33 wahanui eythian: cait =is= just silly on a train again|from germany. Ask me about germany.|happy about some example opacs :)|very pale, and needs lots of sun lotion.|regretting a bit that we didn't offer this as an option first... or on a test system for people to see
23:33 eythian oh, there it is
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23:33 cait hm
23:33 cait literal eythian
23:33 wahanui cait: eythian =is= great at jokes. That everyone else misses them isn't his problem.|an expert bot trainer|<reply>go back to bed, eythian|Time's Person of the Year for 2006.
23:34 cait aha.
23:34 cait ;)
23:34 eythian man, it was 8 years ago I was person of the year.
23:34 cait ok, falling asleep on the tablet would not be good
23:34 eythian how time flies
23:34 oleonard Do we not have guidelines in writing which say that patches should include bug #, description of the problem, and test plan?
23:34 cait i better go :)
23:34 rangi we do
23:34 eythian later caiter
23:34 rangi hi cait and oleonard
23:34 cait oleonard: take it easy on the new people :)
23:35 cait oh hi rangi
23:35 * rangi just got back
23:35 cait oleonard: look for commit message or so - it hink jared wrote something quite specific somewhere
23:35 oleonard I'm not trying to be hard on anyone. I think it's important to show that I'm *not* just being arbitrary but in fact there are guidelines.
23:36 eythian[…]i/Commit_messages
23:36 cait oleonard: understood
23:36 oleonard Ah right, I was searching for "patch" not "commit"
23:42 tcohen oleonard: people sometimes forget too
23:42 tcohen so don't be too rude
23:42 tcohen :-D
23:42 oleonard I'll try to restrain myself from being as rude as I usually am :P
23:42 rangi hehe you are very very rarely rude
23:42 rangi unlike me
23:43 tcohen heh
23:44 oleonard Yeah when I grow up I wanna be as rude as rangi!
23:44 rangi heh
23:44 rangi im trying to be less rude
23:44 tcohen you are
23:44 rangi but still get points across, it's tricky
23:45 * cait is not rude, but quite tired
23:45 cait well maybe i wouldn#t notice :)
23:47 tcohen eythian: does Koha::Cache take care of cache timeout?
23:47 eythian yep
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23:48 eythian wahanui: kathryn
23:48 wahanui kathryn is probably beaten by a banana.
23:49 kathryn yes eythian , we discovered this  when you weren't here one day!
23:49 kathryn well, discovered you lovely message
23:49 kathryn your
23:50 eythian jun 16 12:50:36 <dcook> kathryn_: beaten by a banana?
23:50 eythian jun 16 12:50:52 <kathryn_>      *sigh* sadly, yes.
23:50 eythian jun 16 12:51:23 <kathryn_>      I peel the sticker, I peeled the banana, I scanned a dang QR code and NOTHING!
23:50 eythian jun 16 12:52:21 <kathryn_>      I thought, hey, maybe this is the QR code I've been waiting for, y'know?
23:50 eythian wahanui: kathryn
23:50 wahanui kathryn is on the left of https://lh4.googleusercontent.[…]s720/ROSS9901.JPG
23:50 kathryn ahhhhhhhh I had forgotten the context!
23:51 eythian your photo is still there at least
23:51 tcohen is that rangi??
23:51 kathryn and there's the other one. you're a real pest...
23:51 eythian tcohen: yeah
23:51 kathryn hi tcohen :)
23:51 tcohen hi kathryn
23:51 tcohen nice to meet you :-D
23:52 tcohen is that how beer o'clock looks like from the outside?
23:53 kathryn nah, that's just how you make friends with librarians in NZ :)
23:53 tcohen heh
23:59 rangi ok better go give my presentation

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