IRC log for #koha, 2014-12-01

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00:36 dcook You know... we might want to build a mechanism so that people can't delete their own accounts
00:42 dcook Although I don't know why someone would to it
00:43 dcook @quote 123
00:43 wahanui @quote get 123
00:43 huginn dcook: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
00:43 huginn wahanui: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
00:43 wahanui ...but quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is <reply>...
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01:01 mtj perhaps if they have a bunch of fines/items still owing, dcook?
01:01 mtj tho, im guessing you cant delete yr account in that situ?
01:02 dcook hehe :p
01:03 dcook Actually, some of the financial stories I've heard lately...
01:03 dcook A friend of mine mentioned how they discovered a coworker had embezzled at least 15,000
01:03 dcook When confronted, the coworker ran out of the building and was never seen from again
01:04 mtj wow?!
01:04 dcook I know right?
01:04 mtj tight game...
01:04 dcook I'm trying to remember my favourite library fraud story..
01:05 mtj i spent a bit of time coming up with some doozies
01:05 dcook[…]director-fraud/#_
01:06 dcook Two years in jail for stealing 500,000
01:06 dcook Although it looks like the library got the 500,000
01:06 dcook Well, 497,000
01:07 dcook 'Cameron was known for refusing to hire professional librarians. “In retrospect, it is likely he did so to avoid discovery by someone with knowledge of normal library ordering procedures,” Bartsch said.'
01:08 mtj sheesh
01:08 mtj its a common enuff scam
01:09 dcook Yeah, in this case, it looks like it was fairly clever
01:09 dcook He was still bringing stuff in
01:09 dcook In the 15,000 case, the person was buying things, then returning them
01:09 dcook So there would've been a huge discrepancy when it came time to do inventory
01:09 dcook But I guess that's the difference between 15,000 and 500,000
01:10 eythian
01:10 dcook I don't know why, but that's awesome ^
01:11 wizzyrea it's like git push -f
01:11 mtj me likey
01:11 wizzyrea or trying to rewrite accounts.
01:12 wizzyrea or the mechanical representation of "yeah, nah"
01:13 mtj dcook:[…]-jail-terms-38708
01:13 mtj ..something similar in NZ, but with IT services/hardware
01:19 mtj wiz, yeah/nah is a good description :0)
01:27 dcook mtj: That's intense :/
01:30 mtj yeah... $16 million is a lot of... 'consulting'
01:31 mtj they'll probably end up at oracle
01:32 mtj or EDS :p
01:32 mtj just kidding...
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02:13 dcook I suppose another thought is to patch DBIx::Class::Schema::Loader...
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02:48 dcook Hmm... doing too many searches in the staff client will cause the browser to explode...
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02:50 dcook reportedly
02:52 eythian yeah, that's a known bug
03:06 dcook I can't reproduce it now though :S
03:07 dcook any ideas on the bug no, eythian?
03:07 eythian no idea, just saw chatter about it somewhere recently
03:08 dcook I've had it happen on a dev install maybe twice before but never a prod install before now
03:08 dcook :S
03:09 dcook Hmm, I wonder if it's not that the cookies are too long but that there are too many..
03:09 dcook Of course, I think Chrome can handle about 180
03:09 dcook And I'm up to... 11 with my tests
03:11 dcook Hmm and only positive results make a cookie... that does make sense
03:11 dcook "Local-number:2 or Local-number:1" :D
03:12 dcook Hmm... maybe 30 until I could do it
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03:15 wizzyrea there's a bug for that
03:15 wizzyrea[…]_bug.cgi?id=13265
03:15 huginn Bug 13265: normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Still too many search cursor cookies
03:17 wizzyrea ...and you commented on it in july.
03:17 wizzyrea lol.
03:17 wizzyrea bug 11369
03:17 wahanui well, bug 11369 is hitting us hard after upgrading to 3.14
03:17 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11369 major, P5 - low, ---, olli-antti.kivilahti, Pushed to Stable , Too many search cursor cookies overflow HTTP-header size, when making multiple searches in the staff client.
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03:48 dcook wizzyrea: shows how long my memory is, eh?
03:49 cait hey koha
03:49 eythian hi cait
03:49 eythian go back to bed
03:49 wahanui[…]9rdlo1_r2_400.gif
03:49 cait cant - on a train
03:49 eythian ah
03:50 dcook I think I have an idea about the search cookies...
03:50 dcook But it would require lots of changes
03:50 eythian wahanui: cookies are a delicious delicacy
03:50 wahanui ...but cookies is the solution to everything Chris ;) or
03:50 wahanui ...but cookies are the solution to everything Chris ;) or
03:50 eythian wahanui: cookies are also a delicious delicacy
03:50 wahanui okay, eythian.
03:50 wahanui OK, eythian.
03:50 dcook Whereas I just want to stop breakages
03:50 dcook Damn, now I want cookies
03:50 dcook I might actually go out and buy some cookies just because of this conversation
03:51 wizzyrea the opac feature that does similar things apparently doesn't use cookies?
03:51 wizzyrea i might be talking out of my butt.
03:51 eythian I have two buckets of them sitting behind me, dcook
03:51 wizzyrea he really does.
03:51 * cait wants cookies too
03:51 dcook wizzyrea: it uses sessions
03:51 dcook and it's not great
03:52 cait its so silly early
03:52 cait which c. are you talking about?
03:55 wizzyrea but it doesn't have this problem ^.^
04:06 dcook It has a different problem though :p
04:06 dcook Where if you have 2 tabs open, you can only browse the results of the latest tab :p
04:06 dcook So you can't go back to your first tab and browse correctly
04:06 dcook But dcook thinks he has a solution!
04:07 dcook Basically what the opac does but using unique keys instead of "busc"
04:07 dcook And then passing that key when browsing
04:07 dcook Gets around the tabbing issue and the bad request explosion issue
04:07 dcook eythian: how big are the buckets?
04:07 dcook Or more importantly...
04:07 dcook what types of cookies?
04:07 dcook Also, brb I'm getting food
04:09 eythian <-- dcook, those two red buckets
04:36 dcook ooo :D
04:36 dcook Not as big as in my imagination (where they're 5 gallon pales), but still look tasty
04:37 dcook I didn't have time to buy cookies :/
04:37 dcook Actually, that's mostly a lie. I forgot.
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05:19 Sammy We have some custom php pages we've written to generate some special dumps of data from the koha db.  For some reason since we converted (new machine build and then migrate) from tarball to package, we haven't been able to get these php scripts to run.  Instead php doesn't parse them so you just get a page showing the php code.  Any idea if anything changed that might be creating a very defined restriction as to what php is able to execute
05:25 dcook Ah, wizzyrea, you were totally right about me commenting in July :p
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05:50 dcook Ah, that moment when you're testing a bug and you find another one..
05:51 dcook Well, hopefully maybe not..
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07:35 marcelr hi #koha
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07:54 * magnuse waves
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07:58 alex_a bonjour
08:00 marcelr hi magnuse and alex_a
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08:39 fridolin hie all
08:52 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.18.x_D7 build #1: FAILURE in 10 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_3.18.x_D7/1/
08:53 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_D7 build #262: ABORTED in 1 min 42 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_Master_D7/262/
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09:05 marcelr hi fridolin
09:05 marcelr fredericd++
09:05 fridolin hi marcelr
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09:26 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_D7 build #263: ABORTED in 12 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_Master_D7/263/
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09:29 magnuse jenkins having a bad day?
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11:07 Oak magnuse
11:08 Oak Bobjour Monsieur alex_a
11:08 Oak *sigh*
11:08 Oak ruined it.
11:08 Oak where is cait?
11:08 wahanui well, cait is from germany. Ask me about germany.
11:10 Oak @later tell cait you are marked absent from class.
11:10 huginn Oak: The operation succeeded.
11:36 Oak exit
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11:44 cait hi all
11:44 marcelr hi cait
11:45 cait seen paul_p
11:45 wahanui paul_p was last seen on #koha 3 days, 17 hours, 26 minutes and 19 seconds ago, saying: tcohen nope. I already leaved home: i'm in Amsterdam for the night (after a meeting with g-star today), and tomorrow, going to Germany (koln) ;-) [Thu Nov 27 18:19:10 2014]
11:48 cait trying to find him
11:48 cait but probably at coffee break
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12:11 cait noone here today or is this broken? :)
12:11 marcelr no it is not
12:17 cait ah, so just quiet
12:17 cait sitting in a catmandu workshop currently
12:27 cait @wunder Bonn
12:27 huginn cait: The current temperature in Johanniterviertel (Gronau), Bonn, Germany, Bonn, Germany is 4.0°C (1:25 PM CET on December 01, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
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12:31 magnuse cait: having fun?
12:31 magnuse ¡hola tcohen!
12:31 cait yeah :)
12:31 cait you got a patch into catmandu, didn't you?
12:32 magnuse did i?
12:32 magnuse i think maybe i reported something that got fixed
12:32 magnuse eythian has one or more patches
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12:32 magnuse wb tcohen
12:32 tcohen hi
12:32 tcohen are we ready for 3.20?
12:32 * magnuse wonders if tcohen has been partying and celbrating all weekend ;-)
12:32 akafred Hello kohalians - is there an ETA on deb-package of 3.18?
12:33 magnuse yeah, just release it now
12:33 tcohen magnuse, i was
12:33 tcohen *to start thinking/working on
12:33 tcohen will you show us catamandu ?
12:33 magnuse don't think, just code
12:34 magnuse akafred: someone asked on the mail list "When it will be available for package installation ?" and eythian answered " That would be about now." 10 hours ago
12:35 tcohen chinese subtitles, YAY!
12:36 cait :)
12:36 cait koha++
12:41 magnuse akafred: looks like the 3.18.0 package is in place
12:46 akafred Yep, I specified version 3.18, which didn't work, then tried 3.18.0 which also didn't work. Seems I need two trailing zeros, which is a bit unusual: 3.18.00
12:49 tcohen akafred: you're right!
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12:59 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13214 - Improve performance of acqui/, stop fetching all import... <[…]2308678b0f3351481> / Bug 13359 - allow the packages to use virtual-mysql-* <[…]4fb9788eeb4341b77> / Bug 13363: update build script for 3.19 <http://git.koha-community
13:02 magnuse ah, i love the smell of 3.19 in the afternoon (local time)
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13:21 nlegrand Hey #Koha!
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13:29 * tcohen is jealous of the folks playing with catmandu all together right now
13:29 tcohen @later tell rangi we need to add the 3.18 version to bz
13:29 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded.
13:31 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12567: Make catalog statistics wizard publication year work for MARC21 <[…]31bacfaed822cfd54>
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13:55 * magnuse hopes bug 11944 can make it in real quick now :-)
13:55 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , Cleanup Koha UTF-8
13:55 magnuse ah bug 13264
13:55 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13264 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, z.tajoli, Needs Signoff , Test about UTF-8 (bug 11944)
13:57 tcohen yeah, we need more eyes on zeno's
13:58 tcohen i'll try to set jenkins to run those ASAP
14:00 tcohen magnuse: would you take a look at zeno's?
14:04 tcohen is anyone newsletter-related around?
14:07 * chris_n wonders if there is a dev meeting scheduled anytime between now and the end of the year?
14:08 chris_n I'm planning to roll a new release of PDF::Reuse which will definitely have some ramifications for the label and patron tools in Koha
14:09 chris_n it would be good to get as many eyes on it as possible to be sure things don't break too badly
14:10 tcohen chris_n++
14:10 tcohen i should call for a dev meeting soon
14:10 tcohen i'm trying to catch up with personal life
14:10 tcohen but a dev meeting wouldn't hurt _:D
14:13 chris_n I've got to look, but I think some refactoring will have to be done in the code in Koha which depends on PDF::Reuse
14:14 chris_n the real problem will be installs based on the current version will break if the newer version is installed
14:14 chris_n not sure what to do there
14:14 chris_n but I'm hesistant to push a new ver to cpan w/o some sort of plan in place
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14:18 chris_n tcohen: keep me posted if you schedule a dev meeting
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16:54 drojf hi #koha
17:13 Joubu @later tell oleonard: could you please have a look at, the td.rows style (datatables.css) is overwritten by the one in the global (staff-global.css). Which makes the display not trivial to read (actually it's dirty). I don't have a quick and clean solution to solve the problem. The clean way is to remove the td.highlight class everywhere, but it's not quick, at all...
17:13 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
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18:10 mtj hey Joubu, about?
18:11 mtj oops, after 5pm in france
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18:13 tcohen hi mtj
18:14 mtj hiya tomas :0)
18:14 mtj congrats and thanx for 3.18
18:15 tcohen thanks mtj
18:16 tcohen it was a big team work really
18:16 tcohen i tried to express that on the thanks section
18:17 mtj 'It includes 14 new features, 120 enhancements and 487 bugfixes.'
18:17 mtj ..i wonder if thats a record?  ^
18:17 tcohen i think 3.12 won
18:17 tcohen jcamins++
18:20 mtj woah, i just checked... all the 3.x.0 releases have crazyhigh numbers
18:20 tcohen yeap
18:20 tcohen koha++
18:23 mtj tcohen++
18:23 mtj and tcohen++ for kohacon2014
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18:43 rangi morning
18:45 rangi tcohen: when you get a chance can you make koha_3.18 dbs on your jenkins nodes?
18:46 tcohen i don't know rangi
18:46 tcohen maybe right now :-P
18:46 rangi thanks :)
18:58 tcohen rangi, ready u14 and d7
18:58 tcohen they are re-launching d6 and u12
18:58 rangi sweet thanks
18:58 tcohen they forgot to load them once they recovered from a storage controller crash
18:58 rangi ahhh
18:59 tcohen done d6
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19:01 tcohen there's also a MariaDB node
19:01 tcohen anyway, just let me know
19:02 tcohen what you need about the nodes
19:02 rangi hmm do we want 3.18 to build on there? may as well eh?
19:04 tcohen rangi: it is your call
19:04 rangi yeah lets do it
19:04 tcohen on that server I have room for more nodes I guess
19:04 rangi i think we probably have enough nodes for now
19:05 * tcohen guesses eythian would like a debian-testing one
19:05 rangi bernardo's node isnt being used currently
19:05 rangi i was thinking we should have one that builds the packages, from master
19:05 rangi if the build for master passes
19:05 rangi that way we will catch any things that snuck in that stop the packages being able to build
19:05 tcohen ah, yes
19:06 tcohen i've known the guys are using another method for building (lighter/faster than pbuilder)
19:07 tcohen rangi, do u think robin or you can set that building node?
19:07 rangi yeah
19:07 rangi just need ssh and sudo to it
19:07 tcohen probably bernardo's node is easier
19:08 tcohen mine are behind some sily rules
19:08 rangi *nod* ill try to catch bgkriegel online sometime
19:08 rangi its not urgent
19:09 tcohen (i.e. we are allowed to unsecure-FTP with which we can upload a php remote shell, but no SSH from outside :/)
19:10 rangi heh, yeah sometimes rules make no sense
19:11 tcohen rangi: i've created koha_3_18 on every node I have access to
19:11 rangi thanks very much
19:12 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.18.x_D6 build #1: FAILURE in 12 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_3.18.x_D6/1/
19:12 tcohen those errors are because of some timeout
19:12 rangi ahh the old timeout on cloning trick
19:12 tcohen I usually copy the source from another project
19:13 tcohen will do now
19:13 rangi that'll work
19:13 rangi thanks
19:15 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.18.x_U14 build #1: FAILURE in 1 min 19 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]oha_3.18.x_U14/1/
19:21 tcohen oh, damn
19:21 tcohen need to load some sample db
19:25 tcohen bye #koha
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20:03 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.18.x_U12 build #1: FAILURE in 7.4 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]oha_3.18.x_U12/1/
20:14 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed!
20:14 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
20:14 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.18.x_U14 build #2: FIXED in 45 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]oha_3.18.x_U14/2/
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20:41 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed!
20:41 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
20:41 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.18.x_D7 build #5: FIXED in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_3.18.x_D7/5/
20:41 jenkins_koha * Robin Sheat: Bug 13359 - allow the packages to use virtual-mysql-*
20:41 jenkins_koha * Bug 12567: Make catalog statistics wizard publication year work for MARC21
20:42 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13359 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Stable , provide virtual-mysql-server Depends On to facilitate alternate mysql implementations
20:42 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12567 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , Catalog Statistitics wizard's publication year doesn't work for MARC21
20:42 rangi yeah buddy
20:42 wahanui
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21:10 eythian hi
21:11 cait hi eythian
21:13 cait catmandu is fun :)
21:14 drojf hi conferencecait :)
21:14 cait hi drojf
21:15 cait drojf: you shoudl take a look at catmandu
21:15 drojf how is swib?
21:15 cait it's fun, maybe helpful for converting data too
21:15 cait good so far, todaay was a long workshop
21:15 cait conf tomorrow and wednesday
21:16 eythian cait: I expect you to learn everything and then make my catmandu-realated code better :)
21:16 drojf hi eythian
21:16 cait eythian: i am doing my best, but i have my doubts :)
21:16 eythian hello drojf
21:17 cait my first question would be about the db table probably :) but i guess that's because you plan to make it configurable?
21:17 cait i only took a quick look at your code today and bugzilla made it a little complicated - 5 patches
21:18 eythian yeah, I don't want it to be hardcoded.
21:19 cait eythian: not sure yet how it works - i got questions :)
21:19 drojf cait: are you going to wave into the camera tomorrow?
21:19 cait i wrote a simple .fix file today pushing some data to elastic search and a bit of querying
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21:20 cait drojf: i doubt they wlil point it my direction :)
21:20 cait using a vm they provided, so we skipped all the installing bits
21:20 drojf cait: if you really like us, you will just run up on stage :D
21:21 cait drojf: i don't lie you then
21:22 drojf :'(
21:22 cait oh no sad smiley!
21:24 cait i am glad to not be presenting
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21:31 cait @wunder Bonn
21:31 huginn cait: The current temperature in Johanniterviertel (Gronau), Bonn, Germany, Bonn, Germany is 3.1°C (10:29 PM CET on December 01, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady).
21:43 cait brrr
21:45 magnuse @wunder boo
21:45 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 2.0°C (10:20 PM CET on December 01, 2014). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
21:47 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
21:47 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berolinastr., Berlin-Mitte, Berlin, Germany is -2.7°C (10:45 PM CET on December 01, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
21:47 drojf i win again :)
21:47 cait omg
21:47 * cait sends a hot water bottle to drojf
21:47 drojf awww :) thanks
21:51 cait :)
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22:07 cait hi alvet
22:07 alvet Hi cait :)
22:08 alvet congrats on the 3.18 release!
22:08 alvet going through the long list
22:08 alvet of fixes and enhancements
22:08 cait yeah long :)
22:09 cait i am quite happy - i think the custom search box is in there too somewhere
22:10 alvet cool! I just got the EDS Plugin ready for 3.16 a few weeks ago... next stop 3.18
22:10 alvet cant wait to install and play with this :)
22:11 alvet I am running out of RAM hosting 3.12,3.14,3.16....
22:11 cait do you have a vm for each?
22:12 alvet yep... started with 2GB per VM and I'm now down to 512MB which seems ok.
22:15 cait probably not lightning fast :)
22:16 alvet btw - do you remember the surface tablet I had at KohaCon? Its all on there. I didnt think it could take it but its doing well :)
22:16 alvet I moved all of those from my desktop so I can work on Koha while travelling
22:16 alvet so far so good.
22:17 cait cool
22:18 cait travelling without my laptop this time... got one for work for this conf
22:18 cait but i think i am going to use my tablet tomorrow for taking notes :)
22:21 alvet cool
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22:26 eythian hi again
22:26 eythian @wunder nzwn
22:26 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (11:00 AM NZDT on December 02, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Rising).
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22:30 eythian ?
22:30 cait just testing :) i accidentally disconnected
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22:40 cait good night #koha
22:43 eythian bye cait
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23:49 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
23:49 mtompset Sucky! This CSRF email got me trying out something, and it's yucky bad!
23:49 mtompset I downloaded an interesting free open-source tool (Subgraph Vega and have confirmed ugliness too on my 3.14.x site. It also seems to be taking out my MySQL server while doing it too.
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