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| 01:45 |
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wizzyrea |
so quiet. |
| 01:50 |
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ibeardslee |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BF9TjbdJyUE |
| 01:51 |
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wizzyrea |
oh bjork, I can't ever be mad at you |
| 02:03 |
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mtj |
heya wizzyrea |
| 02:03 |
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wahanui |
it has been said that wizzyrea is a Cylon, and they all have plans. |
| 02:04 |
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wizzyrea |
hi mtj |
| 02:08 |
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mtj |
wizzyrea, eythian, rangi, can i run my TT solution pass yall? |
| 02:11 |
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mtj |
my solution is pretty stupidly simple, yet... i cant see why it would not work |
| 02:12 |
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mtj |
1/ subsitute all TT blocks in a template with a placeholder variable |
| 02:13 |
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mtj |
2/ build a .po file from the substituted template |
| 02:13 |
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mtj |
3/ upload .po file to pootle server, for translation |
| 02:14 |
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mtj |
- then to build a translated template... |
| 02:16 |
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mtj |
4/ apply .po file to a substituted .tt file |
| 02:17 |
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mtj |
5/ replace placeholder variables in substituted .tt file, with correct TT constructs |
| 02:17 |
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mtj |
. |
| 02:18 |
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mtj |
and thats it... |
| 02:18 |
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rangi |
where are the values you need to add back in going to live? |
| 02:18 |
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rangi |
(thats pretty much exactly what we are doing now btw) |
| 02:19 |
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rangi |
the %s in the po files are the placeholders |
| 02:19 |
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rangi |
stripping the tt stuff is pretty easy, because its all [% %] |
| 02:20 |
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mtj |
they could live in a file, or in memory - i guess... |
| 02:20 |
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rangi |
yeah thats what we do now |
| 02:20 |
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rangi |
that is the simple bit, its the stuff inside html that is tricky |
| 02:20 |
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rangi |
you want to translate alt tags for example |
| 02:20 |
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rangi |
but not src ones |
| 02:21 |
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mtj |
ok, so perhaps i dont undestand the problem yet :/ |
| 02:21 |
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rangi |
the problem is when people try to be cute |
| 02:21 |
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rangi |
and do things like |
| 02:21 |
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rangi |
something something [if ] something [ else ] something else |
| 02:22 |
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mtj |
i thought the complex TT blocks in a template made translating hard, for humans |
| 02:22 |
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rangi |
instead of |
| 02:22 |
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rangi |
[% if %] something something something [% else %] something something something else [% end %] |
| 02:22 |
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rangi |
that causes problems |
| 02:22 |
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rangi |
cos it ends up as |
| 02:22 |
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rangi |
something something something something else |
| 02:23 |
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rangi |
when you strip the tt |
| 02:23 |
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rangi |
ie, you mess up the context |
| 02:23 |
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rangi |
does that make sense? |
| 02:23 |
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rangi |
its when programmers are lazy and go, oh no, typing some extra characters i will die |
| 02:23 |
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rangi |
that it makes life hard for the translators |
| 02:24 |
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mtj |
yes, i think i understand |
| 02:24 |
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mtj |
stripping the constructs, removes the context |
| 02:24 |
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rangi |
yes, so try to make your stuff contextual |
| 02:24 |
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rangi |
even if you have to repeat something |
| 02:24 |
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mtj |
...which creates translation bugs for translating |
| 02:25 |
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rangi |
yep |
| 02:25 |
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mtj |
s/translating/translators/ |
| 02:25 |
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rangi |
*nod* for both |
| 02:25 |
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rangi |
automated translating, and translators |
| 02:25 |
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mtj |
ah right, so its still a 'people' problem :/ |
| 02:25 |
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rangi |
yep |
| 02:26 |
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rangi |
its almost always easier to translate a phrase |
| 02:26 |
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rangi |
than a single word |
| 02:26 |
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rangi |
at least to do a 'good' translation |
| 02:27 |
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rangi |
structuring our tt files |
| 02:27 |
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rangi |
we could do that better |
| 02:27 |
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rangi |
with includes |
| 02:27 |
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rangi |
or blocks |
| 02:27 |
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rangi |
so that there is less to translate |
| 02:28 |
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rangi |
that would help |
| 02:28 |
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mtj |
hum, something to think about |
| 02:29 |
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rangi |
itd be fun/interesting to spend an afternoon sometime, shifting stuff around, and seeing how that changes the .po generated etc |
| 02:29 |
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mtj |
having not actually done any translating, i havent experienced the problems with 'complex' template files |
| 02:29 |
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rangi |
its not really even complex |
| 02:30 |
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rangi |
its just when you embed stuff in html |
| 02:30 |
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rangi |
or split things up |
| 02:30 |
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mtj |
yeah, gotcha |
| 02:30 |
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rangi |
it loses context |
| 02:30 |
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rangi |
my dream would be |
| 02:30 |
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rangi |
remember kea |
| 02:30 |
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rangi |
how you could click on a block of text to edit it? |
| 02:31 |
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rangi |
if you could do that to translate, and somehow push it upstream |
| 02:31 |
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mtj |
yep ^ |
| 02:31 |
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rangi |
that would be awesome |
| 02:33 |
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mtj |
so embedding if/else TT logic within an html element - is the basic problem? |
| 02:33 |
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rangi |
thats defintely a major one |
| 02:34 |
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rangi |
but also breaking a sentence up, with an if else that hcanges the meaning of the sentence by changing one word |
| 02:34 |
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rangi |
is also problematic |
| 02:34 |
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rangi |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]arkup_inside_HTML |
| 02:35 |
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rangi |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]bedded_JavaScript is one too |
| 02:37 |
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mtj |
ok, i got it :0) |
| 02:37 |
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mtj |
thanks for explaining that... again, rangi |
| 02:38 |
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rangi |
no worries, its a non obvious problem, unless you have tried to translate |
| 02:38 |
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mtj |
hopefully i can write some better tests for the qa-tool, from this info |
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wajasu |
when trying to do an install for a package build for wheezy, I get warnings of not being able to locate: libdata-paginator-perl, libmodule-bundled-files-perl, and libtemplate-plugin-htmltotext.perl |
| 04:31 |
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wajasu |
is did a CPAN for the paginator, but wonder if I need some other unstable/repo in my sources.list |
| 04:47 |
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wajasu |
probably because i am in a debian wheezy chroot but using git master debian.packages. i'll look at the tag for 13.06.04 |
| 04:47 |
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wajasu |
tmrw |
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* magnuse |
waves |
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* mveron |
waves |
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marcelr |
hi #koha |
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reiveune |
hello |
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| 07:56 |
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magnuse |
@wunder boo |
| 07:56 |
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huginn |
magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 8.0°C (8:50 AM CET on November 03, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 28.91 in 979 hPa (Falling). |
| 07:56 |
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magnuse |
hot! |
| 08:01 |
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alex_a |
bonjour |
| 08:02 |
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wahanui |
que tal, alex_a |
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gaetan_B |
hello |
| 08:14 |
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cait |
hi #koha |
| 08:19 |
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Joubu |
hello #koha |
| 08:20 |
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marcelr |
hi gaetan_B cait Joubu |
| 08:25 |
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* magnuse |
waves |
| 08:26 |
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* magnuse |
just had three moose walking through his garden |
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bensinober |
hi, anyone from biblibre working on koha-restful here? |
| 08:38 |
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cait |
hi bensinober - maybe try again a bit later if noone answers now |
| 08:39 |
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bensinober |
morning cait, will do! |
| 08:39 |
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cait |
still early in europe on a monday :) where are you from? |
| 08:40 |
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magnuse |
oslo! :-) |
| 08:41 |
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bensinober |
yes, Benjamin from the Oslo gang ;9 |
| 08:41 |
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cait |
what's the word for a person who lives in oslo? oslonian? |
| 08:41 |
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cait |
oh hi Benjamin then :) |
| 08:42 |
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bensinober |
it's probably 'an ozzie' |
| 08:42 |
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cait |
:) |
| 08:43 |
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mveron |
hello everybody |
| 08:43 |
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mveron |
@wunder allschwil |
| 08:43 |
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huginn |
mveron: The current temperature in Wetter Allschwil, Allschwil, Switzerland is 12.9°C (9:43 AM CET on November 03, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Falling). |
| 08:45 |
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magnuse |
@wunder oslo |
| 08:45 |
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huginn |
magnuse: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 08:45 |
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magnuse |
@wunder oslo, norway |
| 08:45 |
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huginn |
magnuse: The current temperature in Kikut, Oslo, Norway is 7.8°C (9:39 AM CET on November 03, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.27 in 991 hPa (Steady). |
| 08:48 |
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magnuse |
i think perhaps jajm and Joubu have been involved in koha-restful? |
| 08:50 |
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jajm |
magnuse, hi, I worked on koha-restful with alex_a and matts |
| 08:51 |
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clrh |
bensinober: yep I am here |
| 08:52 |
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clrh |
bensinober: I know the question and you will have the answer |
| 08:52 |
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clrh |
bensinober: Claire, BibLibre |
| 08:52 |
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clrh |
(development team) |
| 08:55 |
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jajm |
bensinober, hi! clrh sent me the output of koha-restful's tests. i will take a look at that |
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cait |
hi mveron btw ;) |
| 08:58 |
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mveron |
hi cait :-) ...and hi everybody :-) |
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magnuse |
oops, i think bensinober is in a short meeting, he will be back later |
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* ashimema |
mental note: Don't upgrade Ubuntu versions just after return from holiday |
| 09:09 |
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magnuse |
better to do it right before the holiday? |
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| 09:12 |
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cait |
welcome back Joubu! |
| 09:13 |
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cait |
and welcome back ashimema! |
| 09:13 |
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ashimema |
oh la cait |
| 09:13 |
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ashimema |
hows it all been in my week absence? |
| 09:13 |
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magnuse |
horrible! |
| 09:13 |
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ashimema |
oh? |
| 09:14 |
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ashimema |
mad rush of qa and signoff for the next release? |
| 09:14 |
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ashimema |
or just overly quiet ;) |
| 09:14 |
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magnuse |
a bit of a rush, yes |
| 09:14 |
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magnuse |
cait has been qa'ing like... something awesome |
| 09:15 |
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magnuse |
but that is nothing new, i guess |
| 09:15 |
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bensinober |
jajm & clrh, sorry, we just had status meeting |
| 09:15 |
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bensinober |
we actually solved the failing tests in koha-restful against 3.16 |
| 09:15 |
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ashimema |
cait is indeed awesome in every way :) |
| 09:15 |
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cait |
ashimema: to make it worse.. you got volunteered tolook at the most terrible bugs ;) |
| 09:15 |
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ashimema |
sorry for nto being about to help spread the load a bit cait.. |
| 09:16 |
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ashimema |
haha... thanks cait ;) |
| 09:16 |
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ashimema |
I'll probably mostly be catching up with the email backlog etc today.. but let me know if there's anything your desperate for me to take a look at. |
| 09:16 |
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cait |
nothing desperate right now, read your email :) |
| 09:16 |
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jajm |
bensinober, oh, great! do you need anything else from us ? |
| 09:17 |
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ashimema |
:(.. |
| 09:17 |
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* ashimema |
was looking for any excuse not to dig sraight into the email pile ;) |
| 09:17 |
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cait |
why the sad smiley? |
| 09:17 |
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cait |
heh |
| 09:17 |
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cait |
go read your email! |
| 09:17 |
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clrh |
bensinober: stigbd told us you could submit us a patch |
| 09:17 |
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bensinober |
jajm, actually, we're wondering if you'd like pull requests on github or if you'd like code somewhere else? |
| 09:18 |
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| 09:20 |
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jajm |
bensinober, pull requests on github would be fine i think |
| 09:20 |
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bensinober |
good, we use your http://git.biblibre.com as upstream anyway, so should be easy to merge in |
| 09:21 |
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bensinober |
beware we have done no testing against < 3.16 |
| 09:29 |
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bensinober |
jajm, pull request now sent, please dont hesitate to ask/object |
| 09:30 |
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bensinober |
we also have some more general future requests for a more generic koha-restful, but that is part of a wider discussion |
| 09:33 |
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bensinober |
I believe Petter (colleague from Oslo) started some koha and API discussion a while ago, but I don't know if it came close to any conclusion |
| 09:38 |
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jajm |
bensinober, i quickly read the diff from the PR, there's one thing that should be fixed: wthdrawn is reworded to withdrawn, the database column was 'wthdrawn' (without 'i') until 3.14. We try to be compatible with as many versions of Koha as possible. |
| 10:24 |
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bensinober |
jajm, ok, makes sense, but since db_dependent tests run upgrade_database script, how to handle the shift from 3.14 to 3.16? |
| 10:25 |
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bensinober |
either tests must run a check on koha version or koha-restful must be versioned after koha? |
| 10:25 |
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bensinober |
or even better, koha-restful should be part of koha ;) |
| 10:29 |
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jajm |
bensinober, maybe this is the way to go ;) |
| 11:15 |
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marcelr |
cait: fedora |
| 11:15 |
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cait |
ah ok - i think maybe we need tcohen get involved here |
| 11:15 |
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cait |
not sure what's best |
| 11:15 |
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cait |
the tests will need to be rewritten if you aremissing themodule eventually |
| 11:15 |
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cait |
at least we need to check in order to make it non-mandatory |
| 11:15 |
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cait |
lunch :) bbiab |
| 11:38 |
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ashimema |
I'd like to see allot of koha-restful added to koha mainstream... But, I think I prefer the implementation logic around pianohackers Kohaa::Services module (which is not yet out there).. |
| 11:38 |
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ashimema |
I'll be attempting to port a few of biblibres restful api's to using it when I get a moment.. as a proof of concept |
| 11:42 |
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bensinober |
ashimema, sounds like a great plan! let us know if we can help! |
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ashimema |
https://github.com/pianohacker[…]c84667fe633868fda if your interested in the Service module that I'd like to base it upon ;) |
| 11:44 |
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ashimema |
just the top file in that commit it the 'important' one.. the other files are just re-implimnetations of existing /svc services. |
| 11:44 |
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ashimema |
It's nice because it handles authentication for you.. using existing koha code.. and also handle json natively too |
| 11:45 |
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ashimema |
which is pretty neat ;).. less dependencies on new modules from cpan too.. |
| 11:45 |
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ashimema |
koha-restful is awesome though.. just needs some thought into the bits the above seems to solve |
| 11:50 |
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bensinober |
ashimema, this is extremely interesting! |
| 11:51 |
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ashimema |
thought you might like it ;) |
| 11:51 |
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bensinober |
whatever is Koha::Service::Frobnicator ? |
| 11:51 |
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ashimema |
just an example ;) |
| 11:51 |
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ashimema |
So, Koha::Service is the base object that you extend.. |
| 11:52 |
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ashimema |
Koha::Service::Thing is then the 'Thing' api object.. for interacting with 'Thing' |
| 11:53 |
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ashimema |
you then expose it via a /svc/script which become just a simple 2 line script |
| 11:53 |
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ashimema |
I really like it because it makes the api super testable ;) |
| 11:53 |
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ashimema |
it's a Work In Progress very much at the minute.. with some 'nasties' in that commit to be backward compatible.. |
| 11:54 |
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ashimema |
What I'd like to see is a versioned api arise from it... |
| 11:54 |
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ashimema |
with /api/script for example coming in.. and not having to add sid 'nasties' into the Koha::Service:: namespace. |
| 11:55 |
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ashimema |
I've implimented some ILL stuff using it.. and it's works very nicely so far. |
| 12:00 |
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bensinober |
exactly, and covers authentication as well |
| 12:01 |
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bensinober |
very interesting indeed! |
| 12:03 |
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bensinober |
does this have some leverage in the community? we would love to see some communal agreement on APIs, it's quite important for our mode d'emploi |
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ashimema |
Well.. it's not especially public as yet.. but it's certainly what I'm aiming to back ;) |
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ashimema |
my hope is that converting the koha-restful stuff should be fairly trivial |
| 12:10 |
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ashimema |
if so, the I could see it getting allot of unified backing.. |
| 12:10 |
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ashimema |
I know a number of interested parties ;) |
| 12:10 |
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ashimema |
Code wise, Koha::Service would pass QA in my books already ;) |
| 12:13 |
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bensinober |
koha-restful mainly exposes internal APIs in Koha and routes to GET/POST/PUTs, with some extra checks e.g. expanding the Holds module |
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bensinober |
but most should be trivial to port, but I'm not the one to say, jajm and clrh from biblibre would know |
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* cait |
is all for restul APIs and will back whatever seems to make most sense :) |
| 12:25 |
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jajm |
bensinober, a thing to consider is that koha-restful is compatible with mod_perl, thanks to CGI::Application::Dispatch. If we decide to put koha-restful into koha, that must not change |
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clrh |
and if API does not change it is better because some other components are based on its ;) |
| 12:36 |
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bensinober |
From what I see, koha-restful is very kosher except from the extra tests in reserves/holds (CanBookBeReserved,CanItemBeReserved) which should perhaps be pushed into Koha main? |
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bensinober |
and as I see it, although koha-restful is opac-focused, the exposed methods are generic, create/edit/delete user etc. |
| 12:41 |
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cait |
i think authentication was mentioned as one area to improve - not sure how that is handled |
| 12:42 |
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bensinober |
it would be handled as /svc does today if ported to ashimema's Koha::Service |
| 12:43 |
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bensinober |
by session cookies if I'm not mistaken (sessionid, username, pass) |
| 12:44 |
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bensinober |
which eliminates need for extra authentication/validation |
| 12:45 |
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cait |
and all is sent encrypted? |
| 12:45 |
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bensinober |
dunno : |
| 12:46 |
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cait |
i am german, so paranoid :) |
| 12:46 |
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magnuse |
wouldn't that work the same way as https for the rest of koha? |
| 12:46 |
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magnuse |
you can configure it, but it is more or less outside the scope of koha? |
| 12:46 |
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bensinober |
an opessl https would go, i suppose |
| 12:47 |
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cait |
ok |
| 12:47 |
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cait |
paul_p: around? |
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bensinober |
and I suppose more dangerous services (create/mod/delete branch) could be masked behind firewalls as well, if wanted |
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ashimema |
indeed.. |
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cait |
hi tcohen and oleonard |
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tcohen |
oh, connected |
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ashimema |
it would support https the same way koha does already ;) |
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tcohen |
awesome (been having trouble doing so) |
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ashimema |
it allows for login via username/password with every request.. or via cookie if you choose to use login sessions. |
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tcohen |
@later tell rangi you've got to be kidding :-D |
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huginn |
tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
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ashimema |
the big advantage of using koha's native auth is tha tit comes with permissions built in ;) |
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ashimema |
I believe |
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ashimema |
jajm.. what special about mod_perl in koha-restful? |
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tcohen |
cait, the report isn' tshowing anything to me |
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oleonard |
Hi all |
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tcohen |
hi oleonard |
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cait |
tcohen: found out later the link only works for me - it hows how many bugs in which severity are open |
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jajm |
ashimema, nothing special, just that it works, and it would be too bad that we lose this feature while porting it into koha :) |
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tcohen |
bugs like bugs? excluding enh and new? |
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tcohen |
Joubu1: wb |
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cait |
tcohen: well it's just an overview thing, also showing the number of blockers and critical bugs |
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ashimema |
jajm.. I don't think it's likely that adding the entire CGI::Application as a dependency is likely to happen myself.. |
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ashimema |
hense sticking to koha's routines |
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ashimema |
I'm game for keeping mod_perl though if viable.. |
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ashimema |
I'de rather ensure that services 'just work' under plack by default |
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tcohen |
cait: the patches from msaby still fail Search.t |
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cait |
ah |
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cait |
not sure why they don't fail for him |
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cait |
maybe only failing on a marc21 database? |
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jajm |
ashimema, if plack allow for the same performance gains than mod_perl, I think it would be ok |
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ashimema |
I believe it does.. though I've never tested that comparison.. paul_p may know ;) |
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cait |
i think we are moving more and more inthe direction of having plack not 'experimantal' |
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cait |
hopefully :) |
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cait |
oooh ashimema - could you test something with caching? |
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cait |
or Joubu1? |
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paul_p |
ashimema &jajm = I never tested this comparison, but I'd say yes, it's the same kind of gain, as it's the same kind of technical behavior |
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cait |
there is a patch about syspref cachign waiting in the qa queue |
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paul_p |
cait = yes ? |
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ashimema |
bug cait? |
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* oleonard |
bugs cait |
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tcohen |
hi |
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cait |
ashimema: the queue is 16 bugs, you can spot it :P |
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cait |
oleonard: got a moment? :) |
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oleonard |
Yes |
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cait |
are you still working on follow-ups for on-site? |
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ashimema |
cait.. are we asking all db code to be dbic now? |
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oleonard |
cait: I had one more (mostly style-related) style follow-up which I can submit later today |
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cait |
ashimema: i think for Koha namespace we probably should |
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tcohen |
ashimema: it should, yes |
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cait |
but i haven't been super strict this release because the objects are still in limbo |
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ashimema |
this is in C4::Context |
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tcohen |
no hard rule |
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tcohen |
but we offer cookies |
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tcohen |
=D |
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magnuse |
:-) |
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cait |
alfajores too? :) |
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cait |
tcohen: you let me go home iwth a slight addiction to dulce de leche i think... |
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ashimema |
K.. I've left a comment for Robin on that cacheing bug then cait. |
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ashimema |
it's an 'interesting' one.. |
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cait |
can you define interesting in that context? :) |
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ashimema |
I'm not actualyl 100% sure I know what/how it fixes |
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ashimema |
But.. I have come accross the issue.. and it does appear to fix it.. |
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cait |
sounds mysterious |
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tcohen |
bug? |
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wahanui |
it has been said that bug is it stores biblionumber not itemnumber |
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ashimema |
just feels like a bit of a hack.. adding an arbitrary 30 second limit to the cache. |
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ashimema |
bug 11998 |
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wahanui |
bug 11998 is ready for signoff if anyone wants something to do... |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11998 major, P5 - low, ---, robin, Signed Off , Syspref caching issues |
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ashimema |
It's Plack with Syspref Cache tcohen.. |
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tcohen |
yes, found it thanks |
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tcohen |
we expected to have plack mostly solved for release |
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ashimema |
:) |
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tcohen |
it looks good |
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ashimema |
I can pass it now.. only comment was that dbic stuff.. |
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ashimema |
but robin won't see that for a fair few hours yet ;) |
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tcohen |
pass it |
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tcohen |
if it works, of course :-P |
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ashimema |
hehe.. |
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ashimema |
k.. will just do some last extra checks. |
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ashimema |
:(.. code works.. but it fails the qa script.. |
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ashimema |
fail it is then |
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magnuse |
unless we have decided that all new could should use dbic (and how it should use it), i say pass it! :-) |
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magnuse |
ah, the qa script... ;-) |
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ashimema |
just a minor critic error by the looks.. |
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ashimema |
tests should run independent of plack right? |
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ashimema |
@later tell eythian Could you take a look at bug 11998 pretty please :) |
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huginn |
ashimema: The operation succeeded. |
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cait |
omg http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/Roles_for_3.20 |
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cait |
:P |
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ashimema |
tcohen++ for RM |
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oleonard |
every_volunteer++ |
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cait |
@later tell eythian - can you also take a look at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]i/Roles_for_3.20? I thik there is an empty spot... |
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huginn |
cait: The operation succeeded. |
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* oleonard |
volunteers to continue his role as general busybody |
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cait |
oleonard: you should but your name on the bug wrangler list |
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cait |
becasue you are :) |
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ashimema |
indeed.. I was just thinking that too cait |
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cait |
on-site |
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cait |
gr |
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cait |
oleonard: sorry, missed your answer earlier - cool :) |
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oleonard |
Oh is Joubu back? |
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cait |
oleonard: his first day back today - be nice :) |
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* oleonard |
is glad Joubu1 didn't get lost in the jungle |
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Joubu1 |
oleonard: More desert and mountain than jungle, but yes I survived :) |
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Joubu |
(not my znc server...) |
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* cait |
is a bit jealous of Joubu's extar time in Argentina |
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magnuse |
tcohen++ |
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tcohen |
volunteers++ |
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tcohen |
YAY! the coffee pot got refilled at the officce! YAY |
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cait |
tcohen: is it only coffee making you so cheerful? :) |
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cait |
tcohen++ :) |
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tcohen |
last week was a nightmare here |
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tcohen |
no coffee, no joy |
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Joubu |
tcohen: no maté neither?? |
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tcohen |
yes |
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tcohen |
lots of mate |
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tcohen |
but am all green inside already |
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tcohen |
missing coffee |
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Joubu |
ha, ouf! ;) |
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cait |
heh |
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tcohen |
how was your trip? |
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Joubu |
very nice, very hot |
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Joubu |
a lot of sunburn :) |
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Joubu |
The sun is Argentina is very dangerous! |
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cait |
Joubu: seems i left in time... before it got even hotter |
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cait |
@wunder Argentina |
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huginn |
cait: Error: No such location could be found. |
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Joubu |
@wunder Mendoza |
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huginn |
Joubu: Error: No such location could be found. |
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Joubu |
@wunder Mendoza, Argentina |
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huginn |
Joubu: The current temperature in Mendoza, Argentina is 11.0°C (11:00 AM ART on November 03, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Rising). |
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Joubu |
ho, it was 30°C 1 week ago :) |
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Joubu |
And the car didn't get any bump! |
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tcohen |
Joubu: it is cold this days, it will last one more day and the hot weather wiull be back |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10860: (RM followup) checkout-related sysprefs belong to the checkouts section <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]036e9296ced6e5acb> / Bug 13184 - Circulation template problems if OnSiteCheckouts is off but OnSiteCheckou... <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]c456a571f7aaa301e> / Bug 13179 - Circulation page layout p |
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bag |
morning |
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reiveune |
bye |
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martin_ |
Hey - is there anyone here to can help me troubleshoot an install? I've done this many times successfully, but can't recall why I'm getting a "NO URL FOUND" error |
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martin_ |
ARG! |
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blou |
git install, or koha-common? |
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blou |
ha, gone |
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tcohen |
Joubu: how can I see a checkout is an on-site checkout? |
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oleonard |
It should say so in the list of checkouts on the circulation page tcohen |
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tcohen |
so this is wrong: http://snag.gy/PhcES.jpg |
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oleonard |
Yes, if that was an on-site checkout. That's not how it looks on my system. |
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Joubu |
tcohen: yes, you should see the "onsite checkout" in red |
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bag |
tcohen: I think you need to have more tabs open in your browser |
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Joubu |
s/the/a |
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bag |
:P |
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tcohen |
bag: :P |
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oleonard |
tcohen: http://snag.gy/7bKlh.jpg |
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tcohen |
yeah, cannot make it show |
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Joubu |
tcohen: did the 'flag' is set in the db? |
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Joubu |
outch |
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tcohen |
evidence: http://snag.gy/OaMnq.jpg |
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paul_p |
bag = around ? |
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paul_p |
bag = we switched to winter time 2 weeks ago. Just would like to chec, time for tomorrow meeting... |
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Joubu |
tcohen: did you completly refresh your cache? |
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tcohen |
i didn't |
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tcohen |
=D |
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paul_p |
bag = for me it's 6:30PM now. |
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paul_p |
Joubu = have you seen you've a google meeting schedule with brendan tomorrow ? |
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Joubu |
paul_p: yep |
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tcohen |
Joubu: it worked, thanks |
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* cait |
waves |
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cait |
brb, just restarting |
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tcohen |
hi cait |
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gaetan_B |
bye! |
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tcohen |
@seen marcelr |
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huginn |
tcohen: marcelr was last seen in #koha 6 hours, 26 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <marcelr> cait: fedora |
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Joubu |
tcohen: great! |
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Joubu |
have to good, see you! |
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cait |
back |
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bag |
sorry paul I was on the phone |
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bag |
I replied to your email |
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bag |
hola hankbank |
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cait |
hi bag :) |
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bag |
heya cait - good day to you |
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tcohen |
#koha: i have two sample XSLT transformations for the SRU/Z39.50 import feature |
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tcohen |
remove_items.xsl and remove_9_link_except_items.xsl |
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tcohen |
can u help me name them in a more sane way? |
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cait |
good day to you too bag :) |
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wajasu |
when i try to build koha-common packages to test debian and ubuntu bugs, shoud I build against squeeze, squeeze-dev or wheezy dist? |
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tcohen |
wajasu: i think you can safely build against either |
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tcohen |
i think eythian builds master using squeeze-dev |
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wajasu |
in my minbase environment, with latest git kohaclone, i try dpkg --set-selections < install_misc/debian.packages and get lots of warnings of not being able to locate many of the perl dependencies/ packages. |
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wajasu |
i'll try squeeze-dev |
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wajasu |
i specifically can't find libdata-paginator-perl and a couple more, so i will see if those are in squeeze-dev. |
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rangi |
you should be building with pbuilder or something, that builds from clean each time, and you will need debian.koha-community.org in your sources.list |
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rangi |
http://debian.koha-community.o[…]a-paginator-perl/ <-- its definitely there |
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wajasu |
its probably because i tried to do it in wheezy. i'll try squeeze. |
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* cait |
waves at wajasu and rangi |
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tcohen |
master doesn't seem to require Data::Paginator anymore :-D |
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rangi |
hi cait |
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wajasu |
well libmodule-bundled-files-perl and libtemplate-plugin-htmltotext-perl where the other two i needed. |
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tcohen |
wajasu |
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wajasu |
i'll try squeeze. |
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tcohen |
you're using debian/build-git-snapshot |
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tcohen |
right? |
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wajasu |
yes |
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wajasu |
but i had put wheezy in my sources.list.d/koha.list instead ;) |
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tcohen |
bye #koha |
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oleonard |
Bug 11201 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11201 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , List pending in-house uses |
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oleonard |
I don't think "pending" is the right word here |
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oleonard |
I guess the title and breadcrumbs get it right: simply "On-site checkouts" |
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cait |
oleonard: sounds right |
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* wizzyrea |
really wants to test the opac password reset dev |
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wizzyrea |
I hope I get time to... |
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wizzyrea |
blargh. |
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bag |
yeah wizzyrea that would be rad if you could test that one |
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wizzyrea |
wouldn't it. |
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wizzyrea |
I have a few clients who really want it. I'll try to make it a priority. |
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wizzyrea |
i/we |
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wizzyrea |
actually no I won't, it wouldn't pass qa in it's current state so I won't touch it. |
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cait |
@wunder Konstanz |
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huginn |
cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 5.6°C (10:30 PM CET on November 03, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Steady). |
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bag |
@wunder 93109 |
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huginn |
bag: The current temperature in Westside, Santa Barbara, California is 21.9°C (1:35 PM PST on November 03, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1021 hPa (Falling). |
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bag |
perfect |
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wahanui |
well, perfect is the enemy of good |
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cait |
:) |
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cait |
cold and dark here |
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wizzyrea |
@wunder nzwn |
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huginn |
wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (10:30 AM NZDT on November 04, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising). |
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cait |
looking for a tester for 13183 |
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wizzyrea |
bug 13183 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13183 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Improve visibility of automatic on-site checkout rule when OnSiteCheckoutsForce is on |
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cait |
also bug 13170 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13170 major, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Needs Signoff , Remove of prog theme broke the OPAC's "view plain" option for MARC details |
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rangi |
ill test that second one |
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cait |
thx! |
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rangi |
yeah i dont like it |
| 21:57 |
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rangi |
my $xsl = C4::XSLT::_get_best_default_xslt_filename( |
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dcook |
Mmm, the opac password reset would be awesome.. |
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cait |
yeah |
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cait |
rangi: hm not sure i understand, can you leave a comment? |
| 22:04 |
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dcook |
Hmm, want to start working again on a OAI harvester, but not sure that the SRU/Z39.50 XSLT imports are far enough long yet.. |
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rangi |
cait: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]g.cgi?id=13170#c5 |
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huginn |
Bug 13170: major, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Failed QA , Remove of prog theme broke the OPAC's "view plain" option for MARC details |
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rangi |
does that make sense? |
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cait |
I am usre it does - thx for the feedback |
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rangi |
my @candidates = ( |
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rangi |
"$htdocs/$theme/$lang/xslt/${base_xslfile}", # exact match |
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rangi |
"$htdocs/$theme/en/xslt/${base_xslfile}", # if not, preferred theme in English |
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rangi |
"$htdocs/prog/$lang/xslt/${base_xslfile}", # if not, 'prog' theme in preferred language |
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rangi |
"$htdocs/prog/en/xslt/${base_xslfile}", # otherwise, prog theme in English; should always |
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rangi |
# exist |
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rangi |
that works only if you never have a different theme |
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cait |
hm argh, i think we might have made a thinking error |
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cait |
we blocked adding doubled up letter codes... but some letter codes are needed to be duplicated for different branches... like HOLD? |
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wizzyrea |
the solution for that might be to append the branchcode to the lettercode/ |
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wizzyrea |
? |
| 22:32 |
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cait |
it still won't work - unless we change the code for all the hardcoded letters |
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cait |
koha is looking for a HOLD message |
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cait |
so it won't ever use one with the branchcode |
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wizzyrea |
ah yeah, that is in fact a problem. |
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oleonard |
I'm getting really grumpy about the number of bugs which have been caused by Bug 11703 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11703 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , Convert checkouts table to ajax datatable |
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dcook |
That's a 3.18 feature? |
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cait |
yeah |
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dcook |
Hmm :/ |
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* cait |
feels guilty for mising so much :( |
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oleonard |
And backported to 3.16 |
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cait |
:( |
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dcook |
Ah, yeah, just saw that |
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dcook |
We're still on 3.14 so haven't run into it yet, but not really looking forward to it :/ |
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bag |
hmmm we've got loads of people using 3.16 and aren't seeing tons of complaints (just an aside) |
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oleonard |
bag: Bug 12971 is a pretty big deal to us after just one day of 3.16 use :( |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12971 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle, NEW , Printing member information lacks data |
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wizzyrea |
that seems like a big one |
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cait |
also... waiting holds |
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wizzyrea |
and translation problems. |
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cait |
and i think someting with the slips |
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oleonard |
We all share responsibility... We did a bad job testing it. We were not nearly thorough enough. |
| 23:11 |
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cait |
the problem is fixing it - and think we need to fix before 3.18 is released |
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bag |
@later tell khall - have you seen this one -- http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12971 |
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huginn |
bag: The operation succeeded. |
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huginn |
Bug 12971: critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle, NEW , Printing member information lacks data |
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oleonard |
...and it never should have been backported to 3.16.x |
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oleonard |
/end grump. Good night |
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bag |
this is good info for me - I can get kyle to work on those things |
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cait |
i think it shows that we are right to be strict about not backporting features |
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bag |
darn right before grumpy left :( :P |
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cait |
.. something to keep in mind next time |
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cait |
not we need to get this back to working |
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cait |
not=now |
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wizzyrea |
good to learn from the lessons of the past :) |
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bag |
@later tell magnuse HI |
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huginn |
bag: The operation succeeded. |
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cait |
night :) |
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