Time Nick Message 23:24 cait night :) 23:18 huginn bag: The operation succeeded. 23:18 bag @later tell magnuse HI 23:13 wizzyrea good to learn from the lessons of the past :) 23:13 cait not=now 23:12 cait not we need to get this back to working 23:12 cait .. something to keep in mind next time 23:12 bag darn right before grumpy left :( :P 23:12 cait i think it shows that we are right to be strict about not backporting features 23:12 bag this is good info for me - I can get kyle to work on those things 23:12 oleonard /end grump. Good night 23:12 oleonard ...and it never should have been backported to 3.16.x 23:11 huginn 04Bug 12971: critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle, NEW , Printing member information lacks data 23:11 huginn bag: The operation succeeded. 23:11 bag @later tell khall - have you seen this one -- http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12971 23:11 cait the problem is fixing it - and think we need to fix before 3.18 is released 23:10 oleonard We all share responsibility... We did a bad job testing it. We were not nearly thorough enough. 23:10 cait and i think someting with the slips 23:10 wizzyrea and translation problems. 23:10 cait also... waiting holds 23:10 wizzyrea that seems like a big one 23:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12971 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle, NEW , Printing member information lacks data 23:09 oleonard bag: Bug 12971 is a pretty big deal to us after just one day of 3.16 use :( 23:09 bag hmmm we've got loads of people using 3.16 and aren't seeing tons of complaints (just an aside) 23:08 dcook We're still on 3.14 so haven't run into it yet, but not really looking forward to it :/ 23:08 dcook Ah, yeah, just saw that 23:07 cait :( 23:07 oleonard And backported to 3.16 23:07 * cait feels guilty for mising so much :( 23:07 dcook Hmm :/ 23:07 cait yeah 23:07 dcook That's a 3.18 feature? 23:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11703 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , Convert checkouts table to ajax datatable 23:06 oleonard I'm getting really grumpy about the number of bugs which have been caused by Bug 11703 22:32 wizzyrea ah yeah, that is in fact a problem. 22:32 cait so it won't ever use one with the branchcode 22:32 cait koha is looking for a HOLD message 22:32 cait it still won't work - unless we change the code for all the hardcoded letters 22:31 wizzyrea ? 22:31 wizzyrea the solution for that might be to append the branchcode to the lettercode/ 22:29 cait we blocked adding doubled up letter codes... but some letter codes are needed to be duplicated for different branches... like HOLD? 22:28 cait hm argh, i think we might have made a thinking error 22:12 rangi that works only if you never have a different theme 22:11 rangi # exist 22:11 rangi "$htdocs/prog/en/xslt/${base_xslfile}", # otherwise, prog theme in English; should always 22:11 rangi "$htdocs/prog/$lang/xslt/${base_xslfile}", # if not, 'prog' theme in preferred language 22:11 rangi "$htdocs/$theme/en/xslt/${base_xslfile}", # if not, preferred theme in English 22:11 rangi "$htdocs/$theme/$lang/xslt/${base_xslfile}", # exact match 22:11 rangi my @candidates = ( 22:11 cait I am usre it does - thx for the feedback 22:09 rangi does that make sense? 22:09 huginn 04Bug 13170: major, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Failed QA , Remove of prog theme broke the OPAC's "view plain" option for MARC details 22:09 rangi cait: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13170#c5 22:04 dcook Hmm, want to start working again on a OAI harvester, but not sure that the SRU/Z39.50 XSLT imports are far enough long yet.. 22:04 cait rangi: hm not sure i understand, can you leave a comment? 22:03 cait yeah 22:03 dcook Mmm, the opac password reset would be awesome.. 21:57 rangi my $xsl = C4::XSLT::_get_best_default_xslt_filename( 21:57 rangi yeah i dont like it 21:56 cait thx! 21:56 rangi ill test that second one 21:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13170 major, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Needs Signoff , Remove of prog theme broke the OPAC's "view plain" option for MARC details 21:53 cait also bug 13170 21:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13183 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Improve visibility of automatic on-site checkout rule when OnSiteCheckoutsForce is on 21:42 wizzyrea bug 13183 21:41 cait looking for a tester for 13183 21:37 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (10:30 AM NZDT on November 04, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising). 21:37 wizzyrea @wunder nzwn 21:36 cait cold and dark here 21:36 cait :) 21:36 wahanui well, perfect is the enemy of good 21:36 bag perfect 21:36 huginn bag: The current temperature in Westside, Santa Barbara, California is 21.9°C (1:35 PM PST on November 03, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1021 hPa (Falling). 21:36 bag @wunder 93109 21:32 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 5.6°C (10:30 PM CET on November 03, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Steady). 21:32 cait @wunder Konstanz 21:25 wizzyrea actually no I won't, it wouldn't pass qa in it's current state so I won't touch it. 20:27 wizzyrea i/we 20:27 wizzyrea I have a few clients who really want it. I'll try to make it a priority. 20:27 wizzyrea wouldn't it. 20:27 bag yeah wizzyrea that would be rad if you could test that one 20:21 wizzyrea blargh. 20:21 wizzyrea I hope I get time to... 20:21 * wizzyrea really wants to test the opac password reset dev 19:29 cait oleonard: sounds right 19:28 oleonard I guess the title and breadcrumbs get it right: simply "On-site checkouts" 19:27 oleonard I don't think "pending" is the right word here 19:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11201 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , List pending in-house uses 19:27 oleonard Bug 11201 19:24 tcohen bye #koha 19:16 wajasu but i had put wheezy in my sources.list.d/koha.list instead ;) 19:15 wajasu yes 19:14 tcohen right? 19:14 tcohen you're using debian/build-git-snapshot 19:14 wajasu i'll try squeeze. 19:14 tcohen wajasu 19:13 wajasu well libmodule-bundled-files-perl and libtemplate-plugin-htmltotext-perl where the other two i needed. 19:11 rangi hi cait 19:10 tcohen master doesn't seem to require Data::Paginator anymore :-D 19:10 * cait waves at wajasu and rangi 19:10 wajasu its probably because i tried to do it in wheezy. i'll try squeeze. 19:09 rangi http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/pool/main/libd/libdata-paginator-perl/ <-- its definitely there 19:08 rangi you should be building with pbuilder or something, that builds from clean each time, and you will need debian.koha-community.org in your sources.list 19:08 wajasu i specifically can't find libdata-paginator-perl and a couple more, so i will see if those are in squeeze-dev. 19:07 wajasu i'll try squeeze-dev 19:07 wajasu in my minbase environment, with latest git kohaclone, i try dpkg --set-selections < install_misc/debian.packages and get lots of warnings of not being able to locate many of the perl dependencies/ packages. 19:04 tcohen i think eythian builds master using squeeze-dev 19:04 tcohen wajasu: i think you can safely build against either 19:01 wajasu when i try to build koha-common packages to test debian and ubuntu bugs, shoud I build against squeeze, squeeze-dev or wheezy dist? 18:09 cait good day to you too bag :) 18:09 tcohen can u help me name them in a more sane way? 18:08 tcohen remove_items.xsl and remove_9_link_except_items.xsl 18:08 tcohen #koha: i have two sample XSLT transformations for the SRU/Z39.50 import feature 18:07 bag heya cait - good day to you 18:07 cait hi bag :) 18:05 bag hola hankbank 18:04 bag I replied to your email 18:04 bag sorry paul I was on the phone 17:53 cait back 17:43 Joubu have to good, see you! 17:43 Joubu tcohen: great! 17:42 huginn tcohen: marcelr was last seen in #koha 6 hours, 26 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <marcelr> cait: fedora 17:42 tcohen @seen marcelr 17:40 gaetan_B bye! 17:39 tcohen hi cait 17:39 cait brb, just restarting 17:39 * cait waves 17:39 tcohen Joubu: it worked, thanks 17:31 Joubu paul_p: yep 17:30 paul_p Joubu = have you seen you've a google meeting schedule with brendan tomorrow ? 17:30 paul_p bag = for me it's 6:30PM now. 17:29 tcohen =D 17:29 tcohen i didn't 17:29 Joubu tcohen: did you completly refresh your cache? 17:29 paul_p bag = we switched to winter time 2 weeks ago. Just would like to chec, time for tomorrow meeting... 17:28 paul_p bag = around ? 17:25 tcohen evidence: http://snag.gy/OaMnq.jpg 17:25 Joubu outch 17:25 Joubu tcohen: did the 'flag' is set in the db? 17:24 tcohen yeah, cannot make it show 17:23 oleonard tcohen: http://snag.gy/7bKlh.jpg 17:22 tcohen bag: :P 17:22 bag :P 17:22 Joubu s/the/a 17:22 bag tcohen: I think you need to have more tabs open in your browser 17:22 Joubu tcohen: yes, you should see the "onsite checkout" in red 17:22 oleonard Yes, if that was an on-site checkout. That's not how it looks on my system. 17:21 tcohen so this is wrong: http://snag.gy/PhcES.jpg 17:20 oleonard It should say so in the list of checkouts on the circulation page tcohen 17:19 tcohen Joubu: how can I see a checkout is an on-site checkout? 16:24 blou ha, gone 16:24 blou git install, or koha-common? 16:11 martin_ ARG! 16:11 martin_ Hey - is there anyone here to can help me troubleshoot an install? I've done this many times successfully, but can't recall why I'm getting a "NO URL FOUND" error 16:06 reiveune bye 16:01 bag morning 15:05 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10860: (RM followup) checkout-related sysprefs belong to the checkouts section <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b3b6f5afd0290b45109ca5b036e9296ced6e5acb> / Bug 13184 - Circulation template problems if OnSiteCheckouts is off but OnSiteCheckou... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3af8ac071c894242e6a9f28c456a571f7aaa301e> / Bug 13179 - Circulation page layout p 14:44 tcohen Joubu: it is cold this days, it will last one more day and the hot weather wiull be back 14:38 Joubu And the car didn't get any bump! 14:37 Joubu ho, it was 30°C 1 week ago :) 14:37 huginn Joubu: The current temperature in Mendoza, Argentina is 11.0°C (11:00 AM ART on November 03, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Rising). 14:37 Joubu @wunder Mendoza, Argentina 14:37 huginn Joubu: Error: No such location could be found. 14:37 Joubu @wunder Mendoza 14:36 huginn cait: Error: No such location could be found. 14:36 cait @wunder Argentina 14:36 cait Joubu: seems i left in time... before it got even hotter 14:36 Joubu The sun is Argentina is very dangerous! 14:35 Joubu a lot of sunburn :) 14:35 Joubu very nice, very hot 14:35 tcohen how was your trip? 14:35 cait heh 14:35 Joubu ha, ouf! ;) 14:35 tcohen missing coffee 14:35 tcohen but am all green inside already 14:34 tcohen lots of mate 14:34 tcohen yes 14:34 Joubu tcohen: no maté neither?? 14:30 tcohen no coffee, no joy 14:30 tcohen last week was a nightmare here 14:30 cait tcohen++ :) 14:30 cait tcohen: is it only coffee making you so cheerful? :) 14:26 tcohen YAY! the coffee pot got refilled at the officce! YAY 14:23 tcohen volunteers++ 14:23 magnuse tcohen++ 14:19 * cait is a bit jealous of Joubu's extar time in Argentina 14:19 Joubu (not my znc server...) 14:19 Joubu1 oleonard: More desert and mountain than jungle, but yes I survived :) 14:17 * oleonard is glad Joubu1 didn't get lost in the jungle 14:17 cait oleonard: his first day back today - be nice :) 14:15 oleonard Oh is Joubu back? 14:14 cait oleonard: sorry, missed your answer earlier - cool :) 14:14 cait gr 14:14 cait on-site 14:11 ashimema indeed.. I was just thinking that too cait 14:11 cait becasue you are :) 14:11 cait oleonard: you should but your name on the bug wrangler list 14:08 * oleonard volunteers to continue his role as general busybody 14:07 huginn cait: The operation succeeded. 14:07 cait @later tell eythian - can you also take a look at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.20? I thik there is an empty spot... 14:07 oleonard every_volunteer++ 14:06 ashimema tcohen++ for RM 14:06 cait :P 14:06 cait omg http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.20 14:04 huginn ashimema: The operation succeeded. 14:04 ashimema @later tell eythian Could you take a look at bug 11998 pretty please :) 13:55 ashimema tests should run independent of plack right? 13:51 ashimema just a minor critic error by the looks.. 13:51 magnuse ah, the qa script... ;-) 13:50 magnuse unless we have decided that all new could should use dbic (and how it should use it), i say pass it! :-) 13:50 ashimema fail it is then 13:50 ashimema :(.. code works.. but it fails the qa script.. 13:48 ashimema k.. will just do some last extra checks. 13:48 ashimema hehe.. 13:47 tcohen if it works, of course :-P 13:47 tcohen pass it 13:46 ashimema but robin won't see that for a fair few hours yet ;) 13:46 ashimema I can pass it now.. only comment was that dbic stuff.. 13:46 tcohen it looks good 13:46 ashimema :) 13:46 tcohen we expected to have plack mostly solved for release 13:45 tcohen yes, found it thanks 13:44 ashimema It's Plack with Syspref Cache tcohen.. 13:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11998 major, P5 - low, ---, robin, Signed Off , Syspref caching issues 13:44 wahanui bug 11998 is ready for signoff if anyone wants something to do... 13:44 ashimema bug 11998 13:44 ashimema just feels like a bit of a hack.. adding an arbitrary 30 second limit to the cache. 13:44 wahanui it has been said that bug is it stores biblionumber not itemnumber 13:44 tcohen bug? 13:44 cait sounds mysterious 13:43 ashimema But.. I have come accross the issue.. and it does appear to fix it.. 13:43 ashimema I'm not actualyl 100% sure I know what/how it fixes 13:43 cait can you define interesting in that context? :) 13:43 ashimema it's an 'interesting' one.. 13:43 ashimema K.. I've left a comment for Robin on that cacheing bug then cait. 13:42 cait tcohen: you let me go home iwth a slight addiction to dulce de leche i think... 13:42 cait alfajores too? :) 13:42 magnuse :-) 13:42 tcohen =D 13:42 tcohen but we offer cookies 13:41 tcohen no hard rule 13:41 ashimema this is in C4::Context 13:41 cait but i haven't been super strict this release because the objects are still in limbo 13:41 tcohen ashimema: it should, yes 13:41 cait ashimema: i think for Koha namespace we probably should 13:39 oleonard cait: I had one more (mostly style-related) style follow-up which I can submit later today 13:38 ashimema cait.. are we asking all db code to be dbic now? 13:38 cait are you still working on follow-ups for on-site? 13:38 oleonard Yes 13:37 cait oleonard: got a moment? :) 13:19 cait ashimema: the queue is 16 bugs, you can spot it :P 13:18 tcohen hi 13:02 * oleonard bugs cait 13:02 ashimema bug cait? 12:57 paul_p cait = yes ? 12:57 cait there is a patch about syspref cachign waiting in the qa queue 12:57 paul_p ashimema &jajm = I never tested this comparison, but I'd say yes, it's the same kind of gain, as it's the same kind of technical behavior 12:57 cait or Joubu1? 12:57 cait oooh ashimema - could you test something with caching? 12:56 cait hopefully :) 12:56 cait i think we are moving more and more inthe direction of having plack not 'experimantal' 12:56 ashimema I believe it does.. though I've never tested that comparison.. paul_p may know ;) 12:55 jajm ashimema, if plack allow for the same performance gains than mod_perl, I think it would be ok 12:54 cait maybe only failing on a marc21 database? 12:54 cait not sure why they don't fail for him 12:54 cait ah 12:54 tcohen cait: the patches from msaby still fail Search.t 12:53 ashimema I'de rather ensure that services 'just work' under plack by default 12:53 ashimema I'm game for keeping mod_perl though if viable.. 12:53 ashimema hense sticking to koha's routines 12:52 ashimema jajm.. I don't think it's likely that adding the entire CGI::Application as a dependency is likely to happen myself.. 12:51 cait tcohen: well it's just an overview thing, also showing the number of blockers and critical bugs 12:51 tcohen Joubu1: wb 12:50 tcohen bugs like bugs? excluding enh and new? 12:50 jajm ashimema, nothing special, just that it works, and it would be too bad that we lose this feature while porting it into koha :) 12:50 cait tcohen: found out later the link only works for me - it hows how many bugs in which severity are open 12:50 tcohen hi oleonard 12:50 oleonard Hi all 12:49 tcohen cait, the report isn' tshowing anything to me 12:49 ashimema jajm.. what special about mod_perl in koha-restful? 12:49 ashimema I believe 12:48 ashimema the big advantage of using koha's native auth is tha tit comes with permissions built in ;) 12:48 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 12:48 tcohen @later tell rangi you've got to be kidding :-D 12:48 ashimema it allows for login via username/password with every request.. or via cookie if you choose to use login sessions. 12:47 tcohen awesome (been having trouble doing so) 12:47 ashimema it would support https the same way koha does already ;) 12:47 tcohen oh, connected 12:47 cait hi tcohen and oleonard 12:47 ashimema indeed.. 12:47 bensinober and I suppose more dangerous services (create/mod/delete branch) could be masked behind firewalls as well, if wanted 12:47 cait paul_p: around? 12:47 cait ok 12:46 bensinober an opessl https would go, i suppose 12:46 magnuse you can configure it, but it is more or less outside the scope of koha? 12:46 magnuse wouldn't that work the same way as https for the rest of koha? 12:46 cait i am german, so paranoid :) 12:45 bensinober dunno : 12:45 cait and all is sent encrypted? 12:44 bensinober which eliminates need for extra authentication/validation 12:43 bensinober by session cookies if I'm not mistaken (sessionid, username, pass) 12:42 bensinober it would be handled as /svc does today if ported to ashimema's Koha::Service 12:41 cait i think authentication was mentioned as one area to improve - not sure how that is handled 12:40 bensinober and as I see it, although koha-restful is opac-focused, the exposed methods are generic, create/edit/delete user etc. 12:36 bensinober From what I see, koha-restful is very kosher except from the extra tests in reserves/holds (CanBookBeReserved,CanItemBeReserved) which should perhaps be pushed into Koha main? 12:31 clrh and if API does not change it is better because some other components are based on its ;) 12:25 jajm bensinober, a thing to consider is that koha-restful is compatible with mod_perl, thanks to CGI::Application::Dispatch. If we decide to put koha-restful into koha, that must not change 12:16 * cait is all for restul APIs and will back whatever seems to make most sense :) 12:14 bensinober but most should be trivial to port, but I'm not the one to say, jajm and clrh from biblibre would know 12:13 bensinober koha-restful mainly exposes internal APIs in Koha and routes to GET/POST/PUTs, with some extra checks e.g. expanding the Holds module 12:10 ashimema Code wise, Koha::Service would pass QA in my books already ;) 12:10 ashimema I know a number of interested parties ;) 12:10 ashimema if so, the I could see it getting allot of unified backing.. 12:10 ashimema my hope is that converting the koha-restful stuff should be fairly trivial 12:09 ashimema Well.. it's not especially public as yet.. but it's certainly what I'm aiming to back ;) 12:03 bensinober does this have some leverage in the community? we would love to see some communal agreement on APIs, it's quite important for our mode d'emploi 12:01 bensinober very interesting indeed! 12:00 bensinober exactly, and covers authentication as well 11:55 ashimema I've implimented some ILL stuff using it.. and it's works very nicely so far. 11:54 ashimema with /api/script for example coming in.. and not having to add sid 'nasties' into the Koha::Service:: namespace. 11:54 ashimema What I'd like to see is a versioned api arise from it... 11:53 ashimema it's a Work In Progress very much at the minute.. with some 'nasties' in that commit to be backward compatible.. 11:53 ashimema I really like it because it makes the api super testable ;) 11:53 ashimema you then expose it via a /svc/script which become just a simple 2 line script 11:52 ashimema Koha::Service::Thing is then the 'Thing' api object.. for interacting with 'Thing' 11:51 ashimema So, Koha::Service is the base object that you extend.. 11:51 ashimema just an example ;) 11:51 bensinober whatever is Koha::Service::Frobnicator ? 11:51 ashimema thought you might like it ;) 11:50 bensinober ashimema, this is extremely interesting! 11:45 ashimema koha-restful is awesome though.. just needs some thought into the bits the above seems to solve 11:45 ashimema which is pretty neat ;).. less dependencies on new modules from cpan too.. 11:44 ashimema It's nice because it handles authentication for you.. using existing koha code.. and also handle json natively too 11:44 ashimema just the top file in that commit it the 'important' one.. the other files are just re-implimnetations of existing /svc services. 11:43 ashimema https://github.com/pianohacker/koha/commit/b0778d4f676cabbe69f7d67c84667fe633868fda if your interested in the Service module that I'd like to base it upon ;) 11:42 bensinober ashimema, sounds like a great plan! let us know if we can help! 11:38 ashimema I'll be attempting to port a few of biblibres restful api's to using it when I get a moment.. as a proof of concept 11:38 ashimema I'd like to see allot of koha-restful added to koha mainstream... But, I think I prefer the implementation logic around pianohackers Kohaa::Services module (which is not yet out there).. 11:15 cait lunch :) bbiab 11:15 cait at least we need to check in order to make it non-mandatory 11:15 cait the tests will need to be rewritten if you aremissing themodule eventually 11:15 cait not sure what's best 11:15 cait ah ok - i think maybe we need tcohen get involved here 11:15 marcelr cait: fedora 10:29 jajm bensinober, maybe this is the way to go ;) 10:25 bensinober or even better, koha-restful should be part of koha ;) 10:25 bensinober either tests must run a check on koha version or koha-restful must be versioned after koha? 10:24 bensinober jajm, ok, makes sense, but since db_dependent tests run upgrade_database script, how to handle the shift from 3.14 to 3.16? 09:38 jajm bensinober, i quickly read the diff from the PR, there's one thing that should be fixed: wthdrawn is reworded to withdrawn, the database column was 'wthdrawn' (without 'i') until 3.14. We try to be compatible with as many versions of Koha as possible. 09:33 bensinober I believe Petter (colleague from Oslo) started some koha and API discussion a while ago, but I don't know if it came close to any conclusion 09:30 bensinober we also have some more general future requests for a more generic koha-restful, but that is part of a wider discussion 09:29 bensinober jajm, pull request now sent, please dont hesitate to ask/object 09:21 bensinober beware we have done no testing against < 3.16 09:20 bensinober good, we use your http://git.biblibre.com as upstream anyway, so should be easy to merge in 09:20 jajm bensinober, pull requests on github would be fine i think 09:17 bensinober jajm, actually, we're wondering if you'd like pull requests on github or if you'd like code somewhere else? 09:17 clrh bensinober: stigbd told us you could submit us a patch 09:17 cait go read your email! 09:17 cait heh 09:17 cait why the sad smiley? 09:17 * ashimema was looking for any excuse not to dig sraight into the email pile ;) 09:17 ashimema :(.. 09:16 jajm bensinober, oh, great! do you need anything else from us ? 09:16 cait nothing desperate right now, read your email :) 09:16 ashimema I'll probably mostly be catching up with the email backlog etc today.. but let me know if there's anything your desperate for me to take a look at. 09:16 ashimema haha... thanks cait ;) 09:15 ashimema sorry for nto being about to help spread the load a bit cait.. 09:15 cait ashimema: to make it worse.. you got volunteered tolook at the most terrible bugs ;) 09:15 ashimema cait is indeed awesome in every way :) 09:15 bensinober we actually solved the failing tests in koha-restful against 3.16 09:15 bensinober jajm & clrh, sorry, we just had status meeting 09:15 magnuse but that is nothing new, i guess 09:14 magnuse cait has been qa'ing like... something awesome 09:14 magnuse a bit of a rush, yes 09:14 ashimema or just overly quiet ;) 09:14 ashimema mad rush of qa and signoff for the next release? 09:13 ashimema oh? 09:13 magnuse horrible! 09:13 ashimema hows it all been in my week absence? 09:13 ashimema oh la cait 09:13 cait and welcome back ashimema! 09:12 cait welcome back Joubu! 09:09 magnuse better to do it right before the holiday? 09:08 * ashimema mental note: Don't upgrade Ubuntu versions just after return from holiday 09:02 magnuse oops, i think bensinober is in a short meeting, he will be back later 08:58 mveron hi cait :-) ...and hi everybody :-) 08:57 cait hi mveron btw ;) 08:55 jajm bensinober, hi! clrh sent me the output of koha-restful's tests. i will take a look at that 08:52 clrh (development team) 08:52 clrh bensinober: Claire, BibLibre 08:52 clrh bensinober: I know the question and you will have the answer 08:51 clrh bensinober: yep I am here 08:50 jajm magnuse, hi, I worked on koha-restful with alex_a and matts 08:48 magnuse i think perhaps jajm and Joubu have been involved in koha-restful? 08:45 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Kikut, Oslo, Norway is 7.8°C (9:39 AM CET on November 03, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.27 in 991 hPa (Steady). 08:45 magnuse @wunder oslo, norway 08:45 huginn magnuse: Error: No such location could be found. 08:45 magnuse @wunder oslo 08:43 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Wetter Allschwil, Allschwil, Switzerland is 12.9°C (9:43 AM CET on November 03, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Falling). 08:43 mveron @wunder allschwil 08:43 mveron hello everybody 08:42 cait :) 08:42 bensinober it's probably 'an ozzie' 08:41 cait oh hi Benjamin then :) 08:41 cait what's the word for a person who lives in oslo? oslonian? 08:41 bensinober yes, Benjamin from the Oslo gang ;9 08:40 magnuse oslo! :-) 08:39 cait still early in europe on a monday :) where are you from? 08:39 bensinober morning cait, will do! 08:38 cait hi bensinober - maybe try again a bit later if noone answers now 08:37 bensinober hi, anyone from biblibre working on koha-restful here? 08:26 * magnuse just had three moose walking through his garden 08:25 * magnuse waves 08:20 marcelr hi gaetan_B cait Joubu 08:19 Joubu hello #koha 08:14 cait hi #koha 08:10 gaetan_B hello 08:02 wahanui que tal, alex_a 08:02 alex_a bonjour 07:56 magnuse hot! 07:56 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 8.0°C (8:50 AM CET on November 03, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 28.91 in 979 hPa (Falling). 07:56 magnuse @wunder boo 07:53 reiveune hello 07:40 marcelr hi #koha 07:38 * mveron waves 07:16 * magnuse waves 04:47 wajasu tmrw 04:47 wajasu probably because i am in a debian wheezy chroot but using git master debian.packages. i'll look at the tag for 13.06.04 04:31 wajasu is did a CPAN for the paginator, but wonder if I need some other unstable/repo in my sources.list 04:30 wajasu when trying to do an install for a package build for wheezy, I get warnings of not being able to locate: libdata-paginator-perl, libmodule-bundled-files-perl, and libtemplate-plugin-htmltotext.perl 02:38 mtj hopefully i can write some better tests for the qa-tool, from this info 02:38 rangi no worries, its a non obvious problem, unless you have tried to translate 02:37 mtj thanks for explaining that... again, rangi 02:37 mtj ok, i got it :0) 02:35 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines#JS2:_Enabling_translation_of_language_strings_in_embedded_JavaScript is one too 02:34 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines#HTML1:_Template_Toolkit_markup_inside_HTML 02:34 rangi is also problematic 02:34 rangi but also breaking a sentence up, with an if else that hcanges the meaning of the sentence by changing one word 02:33 rangi thats defintely a major one 02:33 mtj so embedding if/else TT logic within an html element - is the basic problem? 02:31 rangi that would be awesome 02:31 mtj yep ^ 02:31 rangi if you could do that to translate, and somehow push it upstream 02:30 rangi how you could click on a block of text to edit it? 02:30 rangi remember kea 02:30 rangi my dream would be 02:30 rangi it loses context 02:30 mtj yeah, gotcha 02:30 rangi or split things up 02:30 rangi its just when you embed stuff in html 02:29 rangi its not really even complex 02:29 mtj having not actually done any translating, i havent experienced the problems with 'complex' template files 02:29 rangi itd be fun/interesting to spend an afternoon sometime, shifting stuff around, and seeing how that changes the .po generated etc 02:28 mtj hum, something to think about 02:28 rangi that would help 02:27 rangi so that there is less to translate 02:27 rangi or blocks 02:27 rangi with includes 02:27 rangi we could do that better 02:27 rangi structuring our tt files 02:26 rangi at least to do a 'good' translation 02:26 rangi than a single word 02:26 rangi its almost always easier to translate a phrase 02:25 rangi yep 02:25 mtj ah right, so its still a 'people' problem :/ 02:25 rangi automated translating, and translators 02:25 rangi *nod* for both 02:25 mtj s/translating/translators/ 02:25 rangi yep 02:24 mtj ...which creates translation bugs for translating 02:24 rangi even if you have to repeat something 02:24 rangi yes, so try to make your stuff contextual 02:24 mtj stripping the constructs, removes the context 02:24 mtj yes, i think i understand 02:23 rangi that it makes life hard for the translators 02:23 rangi its when programmers are lazy and go, oh no, typing some extra characters i will die 02:23 rangi does that make sense? 02:23 rangi ie, you mess up the context 02:23 rangi when you strip the tt 02:22 rangi something something something something else 02:22 rangi cos it ends up as 02:22 rangi that causes problems 02:22 rangi [% if %] something something something [% else %] something something something else [% end %] 02:22 rangi instead of 02:22 mtj i thought the complex TT blocks in a template made translating hard, for humans 02:21 rangi something something [if ] something [ else ] something else 02:21 rangi and do things like 02:21 rangi the problem is when people try to be cute 02:21 mtj ok, so perhaps i dont undestand the problem yet :/ 02:20 rangi but not src ones 02:20 rangi you want to translate alt tags for example 02:20 rangi that is the simple bit, its the stuff inside html that is tricky 02:20 rangi yeah thats what we do now 02:20 mtj they could live in a file, or in memory - i guess... 02:19 rangi stripping the tt stuff is pretty easy, because its all [% %] 02:19 rangi the %s in the po files are the placeholders 02:18 rangi (thats pretty much exactly what we are doing now btw) 02:18 rangi where are the values you need to add back in going to live? 02:18 mtj and thats it... 02:17 mtj . 02:17 mtj 5/ replace placeholder variables in substituted .tt file, with correct TT constructs 02:16 mtj 4/ apply .po file to a substituted .tt file 02:14 mtj - then to build a translated template... 02:13 mtj 3/ upload .po file to pootle server, for translation 02:13 mtj 2/ build a .po file from the substituted template 02:12 mtj 1/ subsitute all TT blocks in a template with a placeholder variable 02:11 mtj my solution is pretty stupidly simple, yet... i cant see why it would not work 02:08 mtj wizzyrea, eythian, rangi, can i run my TT solution pass yall? 02:04 wizzyrea hi mtj 02:03 wahanui it has been said that wizzyrea is a Cylon, and they all have plans. 02:03 mtj heya wizzyrea 01:51 wizzyrea oh bjork, I can't ever be mad at you 01:50 ibeardslee https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BF9TjbdJyUE 01:45 wizzyrea so quiet.