IRC log for #koha, 2014-09-19

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00:09 tcohen @later tell Joubu I have spotted the problem you found with the facets from zebra, but couldnt reproduce on unimarc because i couldn't even catalog with the default unimarc data
00:09 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded.
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00:53 dac Hmm. Good scrollback today.
01:00 rangi @later tcohen regional hackfests are a great idea
01:00 huginn rangi: I suck
01:00 rangi @later tell tcohen regional hackfests are a great idea
01:00 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded.
01:05 dcook "
01:05 dcook Note that no matter what is decided, the "delete_everything_and_burn_it_all_down" script should require a parameter to commit changes. Perhaps '--screw-it-lets-do-it-live'."
01:05 dcook One of the reasons why there are significantly fewer laughs in my working life when eythian is on holiday
01:06 rangi :)
01:07 dcook :D
01:10 wizzyrea or the shorter version --billoreilly
01:12 dcook You know... I don't think I've ever actually consumed anything produced by Bill O'Reilly. Just parodies.
01:16 wizzyrea < dcook
01:16 wizzyrea (not a parody)
01:19 dcook Hmm, not sure if I want to break the streak...
01:21 wizzyrea but it's fuuunnyyy and directly relates
01:24 dcook K. I'll look in a sec.
01:34 dcook lol
01:35 dcook LOL
01:36 dcook Oh my.
01:43 wizzyrea I told you.
01:44 dcook That you did, wizzyrea. Well done :).
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02:01 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina
02:01 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Alto de San Martin, Cordoba City, Argentina is 16.1°C (11:00 PM ART on September 18, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
02:04 dcook @wunder athens
02:04 huginn dcook: Error: No such location could be found.
02:04 dcook @wunder athens, greece
02:04 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Kalamaki - AirMar, Alimos, Greece is 22.3°C (4:59 AM EEST on September 19, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
02:05 dcook @wunder syd
02:05 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 17.0°C (11:30 AM AEST on September 19, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Falling).
02:05 dcook Interesting..
02:05 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
02:19 wizzyrea @wunder nzwn
02:19 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0°C (2:00 PM NZST on September 19, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.39 in 995 hPa (Steady).
02:19 wizzyrea so nice outside.
02:19 wizzyrea want to go to there
02:35 dcook @wunder athens, greece
02:35 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Kalamaki - AirMar, Alimos, Greece is 22.3°C (5:34 AM EEST on September 19, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
02:35 dcook I have the feeling it's going to be warmer than I thought..
02:36 dcook @wunder heraklion, crete
02:36 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Heraklion, Greece is 24.0°C (4:50 AM EEST on September 19, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
02:36 dcook Dang...
02:36 * dcook needs to buy more sunblock
03:13 wizzyrea ozone is thicker up there, you may be fine.
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03:40 * dcook crosses his fingers
03:41 dcook I've been eating all morning and now I don't want lunch... but I know I should :/
03:42 eythian it's beer o'clock in 18 minutes, dcook
03:43 dcook Really? I thought you were only 2 hours ahead?
03:43 dcook Or is beer o'clock earlier than I thought on Friday?
03:43 dcook O_o
03:44 eythian huh odd
03:44 eythian maybe I'm doing it wrong
03:44 eythian anyway, it's 15:44 right now
03:44 dcook hehe
03:44 dcook That's what time I thought itw as
03:44 dcook I didn't realize beer o'clock was at 16:00
03:44 eythian well of course it is
03:44 eythian when else would you have it?
03:44 dcook Probably too busy thinking about adding Zs to words that should have Ses
03:44 dcook 17:00?
03:44 eythian so late!
03:45 dcook I won't be able to beer until 18:00 at the earliest!
03:45 * dcook is a bit jelly
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04:12 eythian dcook: beer o'clock now, just for your reference.
04:24 dcook Good to know, eythian :)
04:24 * dcook is eating lunch at 14:24
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04:24 dcook V8, water, sammich, dried fruit, BBQ shapes, banana...
04:24 dcook I feel like something is missing though.
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04:25 dcook Besides beer
04:25 dcook Maybe more water..
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04:26 quocuy Hello
04:26 wahanui niihau, quocuy
04:27 quocuy long time no see
04:27 quocuy how are u?
04:27 quocuy i come from vietnam, not china :)
04:27 quocuy i install 3 libraries in my server, it works well
04:28 quocuy but i have problem, one library, sometime cant search for books (in OPAC)
04:28 quocuy meanwhile another libraries work well
04:28 quocuy after i reboot, things went well on all libraries
04:29 quocuy but it happend about once a week, and i don't know how to fix it
04:30 quocuy any help?
04:30 wahanui i guess any help is appreciated ;)
04:30 quocuy yesm ofcourse
04:31 quocuy zebra server working well, but only one library can't search,
04:31 quocuy :(
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06:21 cait @later tell tcohen if i remember correctly you have to set one of the controlled fields right and it should not explode - try ask Joubu maybe or install a french unimarc framework
06:21 huginn cait: The operation succeeded.
06:32 cait @tcohen maybe this can help - the framework seems to make a difference too[…]g.cgi?id=7442#c21
06:32 huginn cait: I suck
06:32 huginn Bug 7442: minor, P3, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Crash when selecting an authority with 200$x or 200$y
06:33 cait @later tell tcohen maybe this can help - the framework seems tomake a difference too[…]g.cgi?id=7442#c21
06:33 huginn cait: The operation succeeded.
06:33 huginn Bug 7442: minor, P3, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Crash when selecting an authority with 200$x or 200$y
06:38 dac \o/
06:38 dac After feeling unproductive, I managed to solve several mind-boggling problems :D
06:38 dac (unfortunately not Koha problems :P)
06:39 dcook cait: "if i remember correctly you have to set one of the controlled fields right and it should not explode"
06:39 dcook ^ hehe
06:39 dcook You'd never know we work with libraries...
06:39 dcook yo ashimema
06:39 ashimema hey dcook
06:41 cait heh
06:41 cait hi dcook
06:41 cait morning ashimema :)
06:41 dcook hey cait :)
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06:41 reiveune hello
06:41 wahanui kia ora, reiveune
06:41 cait need to run, cya all in a bit :)
06:43 dcook salut reiveune
06:43 reiveune salut dcook
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06:48 dcook Ooo, I just remembered a Koha related problem that I can solve...
06:49 dcook When asked what I wanted to be when I grew up, I should've said "a problem solver"...
06:49 * dcook looks briefly at koha-devel
06:49 dcook Well, sort of.
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06:56 alex_a bonjour
06:56 wahanui salut, alex_a
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07:07 cait morning #koha
07:08 dcook morning cait, paul_p, sophie_m, alex_a :D
07:08 sophie_m hi dcook, cait
07:08 sophie_m hello #koha
07:09 alex_a dcook: \o
07:45 * dcook does a little happy dance
07:46 dcook I was using "XML::LibXSLT->register_function" to add a Perl function into a XSLT
07:46 dcook (the function being to encode URLs)
07:46 dcook But when I used the encode URL function in the XPATH, it didn't work as I thought it would...
07:47 dcook But it's because the function treated the argument as a string rather than a XML object
07:48 dcook wizzyrea: I'm monologuing again... :p
07:52 cait dcook: go home? :)
07:52 dcook Oh, how did 5:53pm happen?
07:52 dcook :)
07:53 dcook That problem was really vexing me for a while
07:53 dcook Just had a brainwave about it today. So glad to have solved it!
07:53 * dcook SHOULD go home
07:53 Joubu hi #koha
07:53 dcook salut Joubu
07:55 cait hi Joubu
07:57 Joubu @later tell tcohen (zebra facet) how can I help you for the unimarc problem? (Is it unimarc specific?)
07:57 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
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08:48 kivilahtio do you have any idea why doesn't output its info to local6, but to the /Var/log/syslog?
08:48 kivilahtio using 3.16.3
08:49 kivilahtio looking at the code there is just a constant definition of LOG_SIP = 'local6';
08:49 kivilahtio but no Sys::Syslog::openlog() calls, even if the Sys::Syslog recommends strongly to use openlog before logging?
08:50 kivilahtio it is a pain to get all the SIP logging to syslog
08:51 kivilahtio i have configured rsyslog @ /etc/rsyslog.d/koha.conf
08:51 kivilahtio with this
08:51 kivilahtio local6.*        -/home/koha/koha-dev/var/log/sip2.log
08:51 kivilahtio any ideas?
08:51 wahanui any ideas are welcome :)
08:57 kivilahtio Also any suggestions are welcome why cron didn't execute cronjobs for the last two days
08:57 kivilahtio They used to run very just fine for many weeks now
08:59 cait kivilahtio: hm sorry no, we never had problems there
09:00 kivilahtio cait: all we have is problems with cronjobs DIE:ing and not running
09:00 kivilahtio its quite frustrating
09:01 cait kivilahtio: sorry to hear that
09:02 kivilahtio it's o if we have bugs with koha cronjobs or we have misconfigurations, but all cronjobs failing to run for no apparent reason is nasty.
09:02 cait but sounds not likelyto be koha
09:02 kivilahtio i agree, it is something else
09:03 kivilahtio maybe a ghost in the shell?
09:24 sophie_m kivilahtio: do *all* your koha logs go in /var/log/syslog or only some of them
09:25 kivilahtio sophie_m: SIP server logs go to /var/log/syslog
09:26 kivilahtio sophie_m: also cron entries about starting to run cronjobs
09:26 kivilahtio sophie_m: cronjob outputs go to separate logfiles
09:26 sophie_m but not the other one ? We've got the pb with one spécific version of Apcahe , but all logs are in /var/log/syslog
09:26 kivilahtio sophie_m: cron is not even trying to run koha-users cronjobs
09:27 sophie_m permissions pb ?
09:27 sophie_m do you have any error message in syslog or kernlog ?
09:28 kivilahtio sophie_m: I changed g+r for /var/spool/cron/crontabs/koha
09:28 kivilahtio so i could read the crontab file from monitoring scripts
09:39 kivilahtio sophie_m: I found this from my syslog :  (koha) INSECURE MODE (mode 0600 expected) (crontabs/koha)
09:39 kivilahtio so I broke our crontab
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10:21 kivilahtio make a hack to copy the koha's crontab-file to another directory from a crontab to access it :)
10:21 kivilahtio shoot me
10:25 * Joubu shoot kivilahtio
10:25 kivilahtio arghhghgggg .. .ggg
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11:10 kivilahtio Is it even possible to get the SIP server's syslog()-calls to log it's output somewhere else than /var/log/syslog?
11:10 kivilahtio all warn()-calls are directed to the proper log file given in the configuration
11:22 Viktor What is your experience with the performance of the new Ajax circulation of 3.16.3?
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11:24 Viktor I thought it was just the sandboxes that was slow, but the library feel that circulation slowed down rather than got quicker with 3.16.3 :/
11:25 Viktor So now I'm getting eager to get the last Plack bugs sorted out for staff client use.
11:27 Viktor (I do love the idea and potential of Ajax circ, but want to keep the librarians happy here...)
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11:58 oleonard Hi #koha
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12:01 cait hi oleonard :)
12:03 cait oleonard: i want to try and tackle bug 12281
12:03 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12281 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , RTL display for records using 880 broken in Bootstrap
12:04 cait Is this still the best way?[…]p_OPAC_LESS_files
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12:06 oleonard cait: Yes. I assume you would be making changes to right-to-left.less and compiling that.
12:06 cait oleonard: negative
12:07 cait i need to bring back the normal rtl display rtl scripts catalogued in 8080
12:07 cait 880
12:07 cait i put some screenshos on the bug report
12:08 oleonard Ah, I see. So I probably left something out when converting the prog CSS.
12:08 cait i hope it's as easy as that
12:09 cait and the hard part is figuring out how to do the less
12:09 kivilahtio Viktor: I don't think the AJAX-version is so much slower, unless you have some very old workstations
12:10 kivilahtio I am not saying you don't feel the pain, we have had similar complaints.
12:10 kivilahtio But here we don't see it as much of an issue
12:13 Viktor kivilahtio: Interesting. Thanks for the feedback. Thing is they have been waiting for Ajax in hope of it speeding up circulation so same/little slower is a problem due to the expectations :)
12:13 Viktor But Plack for staff use seems to just have two bugs left (at least listed in the omnibus)
12:13 Viktor So that's hopeful I think.
12:13 kivilahtio Viktor: I agree. We have issues where we checkin TON of items to a shared card, and that is slooooow.
12:14 kivilahtio Viktor: We made several cards and checkout maybe 50 loans per card
12:15 kivilahtio So if we have 232 items in repair, we check them to cards onrepair1 onrepair2...
12:15 Viktor Hm. I see how that could be a hassle :)
12:15 kivilahtio Setting the not-circulable -flag is really cumbersome compared to just checking Items
12:15 Viktor But I thought at least those situations where you had lots of issues to one account would be faster with ajax.
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12:16 kivilahtio I think the check-in transaction is actually done the old way
12:16 tcohen morning
12:16 kivilahtio Viktor: so 0 speedup because tha transaction mechanism hasnt changed, only the presentation
12:16 * oleonard is concerned about speed with AJAX circ but has only tested it on a VM
12:17 tcohen hi Joubu
12:17 kivilahtio hi tcohen
12:17 tcohen hi kivilahtio
12:19 tcohen Joubu: the problem with the zebra facets is not unimarc-related, it is just that the 3 chars I used as "internal separator" cause trouble in two different ways, Im'm fixing it right now
12:19 tcohen *But in the meantime i noticed a default unimarc setup is not functional, and explodes in several different ways
12:19 tcohen meaning "fatal error" on cataloguing authorities and biblios
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12:20 cait hi tcohen
12:21 tcohen HI cait
12:23 Viktor kivilahtio & oleonard - I thought it was just sandboxes and my VM that was slow too. Glad to hear it's not just me, but too bad in a way since I was hoping we had something misconfigured :)
12:23 kivilahtio I hear ya
12:26 oleonard Actually it seems speedier than I remember, testing it just now in my VM
12:28 cait oleonard: i submit boss the css and less file then?
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12:29 cait oleonard: the opac.css file i generated doesn't seem to be compressed
12:29 cait do i miss a step?
12:30 cait hmright i think i found it... sorry
12:31 oleonard "This website was… how do you say it? Relevant!!" Oh blog comment spam...
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12:39 cait oleonard: is there a sepcial sequence in the css file?
12:39 cait a place where the css for the detail page should go?
12:39 cait or just put it at the end?
12:40 oleonard There is not a special sequence (aside from the "cascade"). Some CSS style guides say we should be more systematic about it, but we aren't.
12:40 cait hm ok
12:40 cait i ran it with the compressed parameter... but it still doesn't look compressed
12:41 cait any idea what am doing wrong?
12:41 oleonard --compress?
12:41 cait wiki says yui-compress
12:41 oleonard Newer versions of lessc use --compress
12:41 cait ah
12:42 cait yep, all on one line now
12:42 cait should i change the wiki?
12:42 cait oh, it's already there... i am sorry... i am not very clever today it sees
12:42 cait i think i will change the example line
12:44 oleonard Please do
12:49 ashimema dpavlin about?
12:49 cait done
12:56 Joubu khall: Hi! Did you apply dependencies before bug 12896?
12:56 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12896 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Patch doesn't apply , Move the bookseller-related code into its own module
12:57 khall Joubu: nope, my bad!
12:57 oleonard Hey folks Bug 11876 is a nice useful feature which needs a signoff for a follow-up I added.
12:57 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11876 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, maxime.beaulieu, Needs Signoff , Add a diff view to staged MARC Records.
12:59 Joubu khall: bug 12830 does the same thing, for Order (instead of Bookseller)
12:59 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12830 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Move the order-related code into its own module
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13:00 khall Joubu: I'll take a look!
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13:12 khall has anyone else had issues with
13:13 khall I've been qa'ing, now I get "connection reset by peer" when I try to use git bz
13:13 khall second time this has happened to me
13:18 cait i think too many connections maybe?
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13:20 oleonard If there weren't before there are now as we all test it :)
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14:27 * druthb chuckles at edveak…I mean, edveal.
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14:58 cait khall: good comment on bug 11023 i think
14:58 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11023 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Failed QA , Toggle new status for items
14:58 khall thanks!
14:58 cait khall++ :)  - i had my problems witht he feature description too, but not a good idea
14:59 khall I had a hard time coming up with anything I though would describe it well ; )
15:00 cait i am a bit worried about the possible implications - because it#s quite powerful
15:00 cait do you think a spearate permission would make sense?
15:00 cait it currently runs under items_batchmod
15:00 khall possibly. I was wondering if it should be in the admin section even
15:00 * cait nods
15:01 cait we have other potential dangerous features - i think we can't avoid that :) but maybe add a way to keep people out there if you want
15:03 cait hm does someone know how the duplicate check in acq works?
15:03 cait and when it wil l happen and when not?
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15:11 reiveune bye
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15:16 ashimema anyone here got experience of using many_to_many relationships with dbic?
15:28 khall ashimema: not really, have you seen this?[…]ationship_bridges
15:29 ashimema yeah.. though probably aught to re-read it as it was a while back.
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15:30 ashimema actually.. maybe I've not seen that one..
15:30 ashimema seems to make mroe sense again.
15:30 ashimema hmm
15:30 ashimema thanks khall
15:30 khall np!
15:41 cait have a nice weekend #koha! :)
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15:43 Joubu thanks khall to Qa bug 11023. Will try to provide a followup on monday
15:43 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11023 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Failed QA , Toggle new status for items
15:43 Joubu have a good week-end #koha!
15:43 khall Joubu: np!
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15:50 mtompset greetings, #koha.
15:50 mtompset oleonard: I need some of your web guru brilliance. :)
15:50 mtompset Why is the target="_blank" not working?
15:51 oleonard Where?
15:51 mtompset staff client, biblio details page, make sure the OPACBaseURL is set.
15:51 mtompset The OPAC view link.
15:52 mtompset windows firefox 32.0.2
15:52 mtompset (if that matters)
15:53 JasonBurds Does anyone use talking tech for phone messages?  All of our notices in the patron checkout screen states either Pending or Failed.
15:54 oleonard Apparently it does matter mtompset, since it works in Chrome on Windows.
15:54 mtompset fails for windows ie 11 too.
15:56 mtompset strange, fails for my chrome.
15:56 mtompset I wonder if there is a preference in the browser that busts that.
16:04 oleonard mtompset: I see that if you search for "newwindow" in Firefox's about:config you'll see several settings to investigate
16:05 oleonard FWIW, technically the "target" attribute is deprecated and shouldn't be used, but it does seem useful.
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16:07 mtompset actually, they brought it back!
16:07 mtompset
16:07 mtompset but it really should only be used in an iframe sense, in my understanding.
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16:27 oleonard It takes me forever to write a blog post. It's no wonder I only do it once or twice a year.
16:28 oleonard Anyway, skip to the end to see my idea for the new input border style in the staff client:[…]-for-editing-css/
16:39 * cait goes reading :)
16:41 cait colorful :)
16:47 mtompset Okay, so if I want to trigger MARC21slim2intranetDetail.xsl or NORMARCslim2intranetDetail.xsl, all I have to do is set two system preferences: marcflavour to either MARC21 or NORMARC and XSLTDetailsDisplay set to default?
16:48 mtompset cait: I'm making progress on bug 5010. Hopefully something testable today.
16:48 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5010 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, ASSIGNED , Fix OPACBaseURL to include protocol
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17:04 wnickc Arr, ahoy #koha
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17:19 mtompset Sorry, no rum?
17:20 mtompset (in reference to wnickc's greeting)
17:21 wnickc :) but  no rum :(
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17:22 wnickc and I'm off to library #2 for today
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17:26 tcohen oleonard: awesome blog post
17:35 ashimema I wonder if chrome can do that
17:36 ashimema so it does..
17:36 ashimema never new what that icon did before..
17:36 ashimema nice post oleonard
17:37 ashimema hmm..
17:37 ashimema I've got my many to many relationship setup now.. but reading data out of it is currently alluding me..
17:37 * ashimema is feeling dumb.. perhaps it's time to dinner
17:45 cait dinner.
17:45 cait deffo
17:45 cait go!
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18:56 oleonard Bye #koha, have a good weekend
19:11 tcohen
19:24 barton ahoy, #koha!
19:25 barton I've just created a DBIC naming conventions page, per the last dev meeting:
19:25 barton[…]aming_conventions
19:25 barton comments welcome.
19:38 tcohen barton++
19:38 barton I'm pleasantly surprised how much cleaner the example table was.
19:39 tcohen yeah
19:46 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12963: Columns misplaced in <[…]34d0857cb98b9924c>
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20:01 brendan-bag Hello
20:04 wnickc hi bag
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21:00 tcohen Hi
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22:07 tcohen hi
22:07 wahanui que tal, tcohen
22:07 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina
22:07 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Alto de San Martin, Cordoba City, Argentina is 19.6°C (7:05 PM ART on September 19, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
22:15 wnickc @wunder 05088
22:15 huginn wnickc: The current temperature in Wilder Village, Wilder, Vermont is 12.1°C (6:05 PM EDT on September 19, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.35 in 1028 hPa (Steady).
22:39 wnickc bye #koha
22:49 tcohen utf8?
22:49 wahanui utf8 is, like, correct
22:49 tcohen utf?
22:50 tcohen wahanui: utf8 is utf8 is incorrect, it should be UTF-8
22:50 wahanui ...but utf8 is correct...
22:56 * tcohen is happy that the zebra's facet patches work perfectly on top of bug 11944 branch
22:56 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Cleanup Koha UTF-8
22:56 tcohen bye #koha, nice weekend
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