IRC log for #koha, 2014-09-01

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02:35 eythian @later gmcharlt can you please have a gander at bug 12492? it'd be nice to not carry it manually any more.
02:35 huginn eythian: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
02:35 eythian @later tell gmcharlt can you please have a gander at bug 12492? it'd be nice to not carry it manually any more.
02:35 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded.
03:05 dcook Oh my...
03:06 dcook My "up" button just decided to flip over
03:06 dcook I guess it was fed up with my pressing its button
03:07 eythian heh
03:25 dcook Hmm, vimdiff did delete a few sections unexpected...that's weird..
03:25 dcook Yay git!
03:25 dcook Also yay reviewing changes before committing!
03:38 eythian dcook: in the zebra index definitions, is there a guide somewhere as to what :w, :n, :s, :p etc mean after the field names?
03:43 dcook Yep
03:43 dcook Just a sec
03:44 dcook[…]ymodel-zebra.html
03:44 dcook Table 5.13. Structure and completeness mapping to register types
03:44 dcook We use :s way more than we should
03:44 dcook Probably because some people might've thought it meant "string" rather than "sort"
03:44 eythian cool ta
03:44 dcook s/Probably/Possibly/
03:45 dcook np
03:46 eythian I'm handling that fairly generically in ES, it could be improved eventually so that you can specify many types of indexes for one thing.
03:46 dcook Many types of indexes for one thing?
03:46 dcook Also, yay for hearing about you working on ES :)
03:47 eythian (basically everything is a word and a phrase, special handling for boolean, and I ought to do things with dates and years.
03:47 eythian )
03:47 eythian well, like: Personal-name-heading:w,Personal-nam​e-heading:p,Personal-name-heading:s
03:48 eythian so, it's a word, phrase, and has a sort index
03:49 dcook Mmm, cool beans
03:49 eythian I'm starting work on defining the MARC to index name mappings for authorities at the moment
03:49 eythian that is to say, copy-pasting from the existing ones.
03:49 dcook hehe
03:50 dcook Well, that'll be the way to do it :/
03:50 eythian a better way would be to write an XSLT that makes SQL for me, but damned if I have the desire to do that.
03:51 dcook SQL?
03:51 wahanui rumour has it SQL is more fun that Perl
03:51 eythian ES mappings go in the database, not in some non-understandable pile of files
03:51 dcook Mmm
03:52 dcook The pile of files aren't so bad once you wrap your head around them
03:52 dcook Sort of
03:52 dcook A pain in the ass to manage though...
03:52 dcook Hmm, that doubles for what I'm working on now...
03:52 eythian yeah, this'll be easy to manage (hopefully.)
03:52 eythian just a flat table full of definitions.
03:53 dcook I've been wondering if we could have a way of building the file more automatically but no brain waves as of yet
03:53 dcook Mmm, but I guess in your case it would be... the XSL that Zebra uses that would be of interest?
03:54 eythian yeah. But I'm not actually going to do that, it'd be more work than it was worth.
03:55 dcook Totes
03:55 dcook I really want to redo one of those XSLTs, but...yeah... that's probably not going to happen anytime soon
03:58 eythian is there anywhere we facet authorities?
03:58 eythian I doubt it...
03:58 eythian no, that'd be silly
03:59 dcook Yeah, I don't think that's done at all
04:00 * dcook tries to remember the name of that bug that fixed the printing of records..
04:01 eythian why do the indexes have "personal-name", "personal-name-heading", and "heading" all defined as the same thing?
04:01 eythian (although the latter two have "subdivisions" defined, I don't yet know what they are.)
04:01 dcook Hmm, which file?
04:01 wahanui well, which file is that?
04:02 dcook bug 12073 - I must be getting better at this searching Bugzilla thing..
04:02 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12073 minor, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Pushed to Stable , OPAC detail page printing show links URL
04:02 eythian marc_defs/marc21/authorities/​authority-koha-indexdefs.xml
04:03 eythian oh, it's also enclosed in an index_heading tag whereas the others are in an index_subfields tag
04:07 dcook Yeah, I'd take a look at authority-zebra-indexdefs.xsl
04:07 dcook I suppose "Heading" is searched during a default search
04:08 dcook And "Personal-Name-Heading" for a personal name search
04:08 dcook Not sure about personal-name
04:09 * dcook shrugs and goes to make a sandwich
04:09 eythian fair enough
04:09 eythian I'm going to throw them all in
04:10 eythian better getting something working now than having nothing working while trying to work out the details
04:10 dcook I suppose you could take a look at the search interface to see when those indexes are queried
04:10 dcook True true
04:10 dcook Something to be said for consistency as well
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04:13 eythian hi cait
04:23 eythian y'know what, writing a parser of some sort for this would have been a better idea.
04:23 eythian it's now getting tedious
04:24 dcook koha-indexdefs-to-ES?
04:24 dcook also, hi cait :)
04:24 eythian yeah
04:24 cait morning
04:27 wizzyrea did fridolin ever do a 3.14.10?
04:27 eythian nope
04:27 wizzyrea that's unfortunate.
04:28 eythian I assume he intends to...
04:28 wizzyrea he has things marked for 3.14.10 in bugzilla!
04:30 cait maybe he is on vacation
04:30 cait it's still that time here
04:34 wizzyrea yep, probably so
04:37 cait how was monday?
04:39 eythian oh hey, so authorities don't seem to do that annoying aliasing thing that biblios do. That's nice. Or I just haven't found it yet.
04:40 dcook eythian: annoying aliasing thing?
04:40 cait ?
04:41 eythian now I can't find an example
04:42 eythian but it seems to be that a lot of fields are stored under one name in zebra, and then searched for using a different name, so they have to be aliased to match
04:42 eythian or something along those lines
04:43 dcook Mmm, I think I know what mean
04:43 dcook rtype 1=1001
04:43 dcook Record-type rtype
04:43 dcook mc-rtype rtype
04:43 dcook mus rtype
04:43 dcook Not quite like that..
04:43 dcook But like "rtype 1=otheralias" ?
04:43 eythian kinda like that
04:44 eythian yeah
04:44 dcook Yeah, that is annoying
04:44 dcook wth..
04:44 dcook Date-of-publication 1=pubdate r=r
04:44 dcook #dp Date-of-publication
04:44 dcook yr Date-of-publication
04:44 dcook pubdate Date-of-publication
04:44 eythian heh yep
04:45 eythian also ti -> title, au -> author, nb -> isbn, etc etc
04:45 dcook Yeah :/
04:45 dcook Seeing that we're usually the only ones using indexes, I don't know why we have so many aliases
04:45 dcook I keep thinking pubdate still works..
04:45 eythian pubdate does
04:46 eythian at least, my mapping for that is pubdate -> pubdate
04:47 dcook Oh right... bib1.att
04:47 eythian yeah
04:49 dcook Hmm, I bet quite a bit of is totally unnecessary...
04:50 dcook On the plus side, my Dspace build finally finished. Huzzah!
04:50 eythian :D
04:57 eythian ok, now to start making my rebuild script understand authorities. This'll be fun...
05:00 eythian I wonder if I can add a layer of abstraction and reuse my biblio iterator code
05:01 eythian I feel like they're just a bit too different
05:01 dcook Ain't that always the way
05:02 eythian oh, there's already functions here.
05:03 eythian and, unsurprisingly, they're a total different design to mine
05:06 dcook I love how upgrade instructions often don't cover everything you actually have to do...
05:07 dcook On the plus side, I think I've fixed nearly everything..
05:10 dcook Maybe not..
05:11 dcook I often wonder if I prefer the way Koha does some things because I'm really familiar with it... or just because it's better
05:31 cait better of course ;)
05:31 dcook hehe :D
05:31 * eythian heads to training, night all
05:31 cait night eythian
05:31 dcook laters eythian
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06:20 cait hm git slow?
06:26 magnuse_ is that a new git command?
06:34 cait heh
06:34 cait bbiab :)
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06:38 reiveune hello
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06:40 marcelr hi #koha
06:42 magnuse bonjour reiveune marcelr
06:42 marcelr hi magnuse
06:42 reiveune hi magnuse marcelr kathryn dcook
06:42 marcelr and reiveune
06:42 wahanui reiveune is working for biblibre
06:44 dcook salut reiveune
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07:02 magnuse huh, my gitified dev installation is acting weird
07:02 dcook :(
07:03 magnuse looks like it's not really running off the git repo any longer...
07:04 magnuse "about koha" says i'm running
07:05 magnuse and that is the version in /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/
07:05 magnuse it should be showing the versin from /home/magnus/scripts/kohaclone/, which has "our $VERSION = '';"
07:07 magnuse and why is /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/ saying "", when "apt-cache policy" says i'm running 3.16-something?
07:07 magnuse gah!
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07:24 magnuse kia ora paul_p!
07:25 paul_p hello #koha
07:25 paul_p september... summer is gone... welcome new school year...
07:26 magnuse yeah, so it goes...
07:26 magnuse @wunder marseille
07:26 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Realtor, CABRIES, France is 17.6°C (9:26 AM CEST on September 01, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 25%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Rising).
07:26 magnuse @wunder boo
07:26 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 12.0°C (9:20 AM CEST on September 01, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
07:27 paul_p & happy spring kiwis & aussies & others from southern hemisphere
07:27 paul_p lot of "mistral" wind today. Symbol of the end of summer here....
07:30 * magnuse starts to wonder if there will be a marseille hackfest in spring, and if he will make it there
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07:34 magnuse tjänare Viktor!
07:34 * magnuse hopes Viktor will make it to the marseille spring hackfest, if there is one
07:34 magnuse ;-)
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07:42 ashimema morning all
07:42 magnuse hiya akafred and ashimema
07:42 ashimema I'm also hoping hackfest is happening.
07:43 Joubu hello #koha
07:43 marcelr hi Joubu
07:43 magnuse hiya Joubu
07:47 magnuse wow, my weird gitified installation is even weirder than i thought - the opac says generator = Koha 3.1700011
07:47 ashimema what wierd magnuse?
07:47 magnuse ah, perhaps i just need to rebuild the templates
07:48 ashimema gitigied doing strang things for you?
07:48 magnuse yeah, sometimes it looks like its not running off the git repo anymore
07:49 ashimema oh.. that's odd
07:49 ashimema I've had a few oddities with SIP and the like with gitified..
07:49 ashimema but sounds different to your issues..
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07:50 ashimema I found that using the koha-* scripts is a bit hit and miss with gitified.. certainly for SIP those scripts are not using the gitified install but the pacakge one..
07:50 Joubu magnuse & ashimema: yes the hackfest in Marseille will certainly be organised in spring :) But need to be confirmed.
07:50 ashimema which causes real issues at times.
07:50 ashimema :) Joubu
07:51 * cait waves
07:51 ashimema hi cait
07:51 cait morning Joubu and ashimema :)
08:08 magnuse kia ora cait!
08:14 cait Joubu: not sure eitehr about the formatting - but i think a plugin will be a great start :)
08:15 cait Joubu: and I'd not move it to the curreny before we know how we want it to work
08:15 Joubu cait: I don't manage to find a good answer. But not important for now :)
08:16 cait yep
08:17 cait I think the only change now will be that FR displays the currency symbol?
08:18 Joubu cait: no, the patches don't display the symbol.
08:18 cait ah ok
08:18 Joubu cait: the with_symbol parameter should be added to the TT plugin to do that.
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08:19 cait morning Viktor
08:20 Viktor hi cait
08:21 magnuse tjänare Viktor!
08:21 Viktor hej magnuse!
08:23 ashimema there isn't a command to install just dependancies from koha-common and not koha-common itself is there?
08:25 cait i think
08:25 cait koha-perl-deps?
08:27 ashimema cheers cait
08:28 magnuse there are two different ones, i think
08:28 magnuse one for perl deps and one for other deps
08:31 magnuse "sudo apt-cache search koha"
08:31 magnuse koha-deps and koha-perldeps
08:47 cait magnuse++ :)
08:49 cait Joubu: just saw Zeno's email, hopefully some progress tomorrow :)
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08:49 indradg hi #koha
08:54 indradg I've a couple of question on SMSSendDriver syspref
08:55 indradg http://manual.koha-community.o[…]html#smsnoticefaq mentions AQL as one of the available drivers
08:56 indradg now, from what I can see[…]b/SMS/Send/
08:56 indradg it needs an username and passwd to auth the transaction
08:57 indradg has _login    => C4::Context->preference('SMSSendUsername')
08:58 indradg but there is no syspref named SMSSendUsername
08:58 indradg so how does the username get passed?
09:01 magnuse i fear the sms stuff is somewhat half baked...
09:03 indradg magnuse: i see bug 10784
09:03 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10784 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , SMS-related code needs improvements
09:05 magnuse yeah
09:07 Joubu indradg: I wrote a driver for a French provider. Let me search the patch
09:12 Joubu indradg:[…]/sanop/ft/MT10141
09:12 Joubu last 2 commits
09:13 Joubu (note that this file should not be part of the Koha code, but in an external module).
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10:01 Joubu ashimema: sandbox patches pushed ;)
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10:30 ashimema :)
10:31 ashimema thanks Joubu!
10:31 ashimema in packages installed.. where does the log go when running the regular
10:31 ashimema I can't find logs for any of my instances in tmp?
10:31 ashimema which I'm sure is where it should be going?
10:33 Joubu ashimema: how do you launch it? cron?
10:34 ashimema in package installs.. it appears to be in /etc/cron.daily/koha-common
10:35 Joubu ashimema: the script does not log anything
10:35 Joubu ashimema: setting the verbose flag, some lines seem to be output on stdout (not retrieved when launched as a cronjob)
10:36 ashimema ok.. I'm gonna go re-read the script..
10:38 ashimema ah.. you have to add --log to force logging..
10:38 ashimema I thought it logged by default.
10:44 magnuse log all the things!
10:46 akafred Anyone tried koha-disable lately? I get "/usr/sbin/koha-disable: 35: [: =: argument expected"
10:48 akafred On line #39 here:[…]ipts/koha-disable there is a reference to $instancename which doesn't seem to have been set ..
10:49 * akafred is head scratching ...
10:51 ashimema I see.. I think packages should log by default into /var/log/koha/instance/ or whatever the location is.. and manage them properly with logrotate.
10:51 ashimema maybe i'll get round to that at some point.
11:12 mtj akafred, debug your script with bash -x
11:12 mtj # bash -x koha-disable foo1
11:16 mtj but yeah, looks like a typo to me
11:17 mtj ah, no...
11:18 mtj $instancename is set in  /usr/share/koha/bin/
11:19 mtj akafr, cmd works ok on my 3.16.1, fwiw
11:19 mtj akafred ^
11:22 mtj paste?
11:22 wahanui paste is found at
11:22 pastebot "mtj" at pasted "koha-disable" (42 lines) at
11:22 mtj akafred:  ^
11:27 akafred sorry, was afk for lunch ...
11:33 akafred mtj: that looks exactly like my bash -x output and from what I can tell the site is never disabled. The disable should change the sites .conf file and cause apache to be restarted - which it doesnt do (according to the bash -x output).
11:36 cait akafred: did you update in between?
11:36 cait I had problems with the script on a server too
11:37 cait where i had updated the apache version and koha since i started using the scripts
11:37 cait the problem might be your sites available not being .conf
11:37 cait but that's just guessing really
11:38 akafred Nah, this is just vanilla koha-common from apt. Config is in /etc/apache2/sites-available/<instancename>.conf
11:42 mtj hmm, i just noticed that my koha-disable example is failing too
11:43 mtj sorry, my dev box is currently down -  so i cant look any further tonite
11:46 mtj yeah, the other catch is you probably are not running master
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11:53 mtj it might be worth logging a bug akafred -  it does seem like a legit problem, on koha-3.16
11:53 mtj (on my 3.16 at least :0)
11:54 cait tcohen around?
11:54 cait hm i guess not
11:55 mtj i gotta head to bed... cya cait
11:56 akafred thx mtj, and good night :-9
11:57 cait bye mtj  - sleep well
12:02 ashimema my packages seem to fail to build 3.16.03 at the moment..
12:02 ashimema anyone had similar issues?
12:02 ashimema seems a test is failing.. hmm
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12:07 ashimema oops.. i feel silly now.. it's one of my three local changes that breaks the test..
12:07 ashimema woops
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12:37 tcohen morning
12:38 cait morning
12:40 marcelr hi tcohen cait
12:41 cait hi marcelr
12:41 tcohen hi marcelr
12:41 tcohen marcelr: it is SRU time
12:41 marcelr ok
12:41 marcelr any news?
12:41 cait does someone know if we have some more documentation other than[…]ki/Bootstrap_OPAC about customizing the new bootstrap opac?
12:44 cait i am also happy about some example opacs :)
12:44 wahanui okay, cait.
12:44 cait lol
12:44 cait cait?
12:44 wahanui you are happy about some example opacs :)
12:46 ashimema fraid not cait
12:47 cait ah, also found this
12:47 cait
12:50 ashimema nice
13:04 tcohen hi ashimema
13:04 ashimema hi tcohen..
13:05 * cait wishes that oleonard would appear
13:06 cait ie--
13:07 cait i managed to change the background color ... but it's not working in ie
13:07 cait of course.
13:08 cait i think i found it
13:11 cait ... or not
13:12 cait ok, got it working and just ignore me :)
13:13 ashimema does anyone here know whether syndetics have changed their api handling for 'not found' requests?
13:23 tcohen ashimema: do u have a couple minutes to test something?
13:28 akafred mtj: bug #12856
13:28 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12856 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , koha-disable fails without disabling site
13:31 ashimema tcohen..
13:31 wahanui tcohen is probably obsessed with packages' scripts
13:31 ashimema go ahead.
13:31 tcohen i am :-D
13:32 ashimema I'm pretty sure now that Syndetics have completely screwed up their error responses..
13:32 * cait is pretty sure she dislikes IE strongly
13:32 ashimema in a vain attempt to make them look more pretty in the browser... but I can't varify if it's a change or somthing we've just never handled?
13:51 tcohen #koha: time to test and retest the SRU/Z39.50 improvements on master
13:51 tcohen marcelr++
13:53 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10308 - local subjects can use authorities too <[…]0ca21ea99854805b8> / Bug 12674: GetMarcISSN should not return empty ISSN <[…]2ddc7569c9763c00e> / Bug 12674: (regression tests) GetMarcISSN should not return empty ISSN <
13:54 tcohen huginn: those are not important, the other patches were the relevant ones
13:54 huginn tcohen: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
14:13 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12309: Adapt zipcode wording to match the other patron pages <[…]684c7939938f5a6f1> / Bug 12309 - Add more fields to batch patron modification tool <[…]5e08764a44658a05e> / Bug 12061 - - Include/exclude file by name <http://git.koha-commu
14:23 cait marcelr++ :)
14:23 cait glad to know sru is comign :)
15:00 reiveune bye
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16:37 mveron Hi #koha
16:44 mveron Are there plans to switch from Bootstrap 2.3.1.  to version 3? - Version 3 has a new class 'sr-only' that is useful for accessibility.
16:45 mveron This question is related to Bug 11566
16:45 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11566 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Fixing accessibility on OPAC
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17:33 * cait waves
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18:14 cait hi tcohen :)
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18:58 ashimema tcohen about?
18:58 ashimema cait about?
18:58 cait kind of
18:58 cait trying to understand bit operators and encryption stuff *sigh*
18:58 ashimema can anyone verify what koha version they're currently receiving with the community repositories?
18:59 ashimema it doesn't feel quite right for me?
18:59 ashimema apt-cache policy koha-commong
18:59 cait hm i don't have a community install really
18:59 cait a package install really
18:59 cait do you want to check on the server?
18:59 ashimema maybe..
18:59 ashimema 3.16~git+20140521105956.3f9a8ccc
19:00 cait i logged in
19:00 cait let me run that
19:00 ashimema that's what policy is giving me at the minute..
19:00 ashimema thanks cait..
19:00 ashimema i'm sure it should be more like 3.16.03 blah..
19:00 cait 3.16.1
19:01 cait did eythan bild the packages yet
19:01 ashimema what's that line in your sources file... maybe I have this server tracking the wrong repo.
19:01 cait ah
19:01 cait i ran
19:01 cait sudo apt-get update
19:01 cait and now it says there is an installation candidate
19:01 cait 3.16.2
19:01 cait um .3
19:01 cait sorry
19:02 ashimema pants.. this server is tracking squeeze-dev..
19:02 ashimema which actually appears to be behind squeeze at the moment.
19:02 ashimema cheers cait
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20:37 cait @later tell bgkriegel - ping
20:37 huginn cait: The operation succeeded.
21:01 rangi hmm where the heck are 3.12.15 and 3.14.10 ?
21:01 rangi over a week late now
21:02 cait yeah right now we can hardly say it's time based :(
21:14 jcamins This is why you should be supporting 3.2.
21:14 jcamins That would make things much easier.
21:14 rangi heh
21:14 jcamins ... I'm not sure how.
21:15 jcamins But I have it on very good authority that your life would be better if you provided support for a version of Koha that hasn't been in common use for years.
22:05 eythian hi
22:05 wahanui hola, eythian
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23:49 eythian ashimema: master currently doesn't build
23:49 eythian so squeeze-dev is getting older
23:50 eythian I might look into that today.

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