IRC log for #koha, 2014-05-13

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00:06 eythian jce: for migration/export purposes, a tarball would be easiest, unless you have a koha-common .deb of your old version still around.
00:09 jce eythian: I do see a .deb for at, but if you think the tar would be easier I'll try that.
00:10 dcook Just to complicate things, you can also try cloning the git and then checking out the version that you need
00:10 eythian give the deb a go, see what works. I'm assuming, of course, that everything is backed up...
00:13 jce eythian:  It's backed up.  But I think I'm going to install this on a VM, just to make it as clean and uncomplicated as possible.
00:13 eythian not a silly idea
00:14 jce Thank you all for your help.  Now at least I have something more I can try.
00:16 eythian finger's crossed /this/ build attempt works, then I can get some lunch
00:18 * dcook checks the calendar
00:18 dcook What does eythian eat on a non-wednesday?
00:18 dcook That sounded less weird before I wrote it
00:18 eythian I don't know.
00:19 * dcook figures eythian subsists on curry and beer
00:23 eythian I was thinking vietnamese chicken curry...
00:25 eythian OK, master finally built. Now I can test tcohen's patches after lunch.
00:27 * eythian sidesteps the QA process and sends bug 12234 straight to master
00:27 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12234 blocker, P3, ---, koha-bugs, Passed QA , Package dependency updates for master
00:31 eythian gmcharlt: bug 12234 really probably should go in for 3.16
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03:41 * eythian wonders if he should jump the gun on gmcharlt and just release 3.17 now.
03:42 wizzyrea @later tell pianohacker[…]tiny-desk-concert < seems relevant to your interests
03:42 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
03:51 eythian new master packages uploading
03:51 eythian for anyone who actually uses them...
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03:56 eythian hi cait
03:56 cait hi eythian
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04:51 cait @wunder köln
04:51 huginn cait: Error: No such location could be found.
04:52 eythian @wunder cologne
04:52 huginn eythian: Error: No such location could be found.
04:52 eythian @wunder koln
04:52 huginn eythian: Error: No such location could be found.
04:52 eythian @wunder kln
04:52 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Akhiok AP, Akhiok, AK, Alaska is 8.0°C (7:56 PM AKDT on May 12, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028 hPa (Rising).
04:52 eythian not quite it...
04:52 BobB lol
04:52 BobB @wunder bergisch-gladbach
04:52 huginn BobB: Error: No such location could be found.
04:53 BobB hrumphh
04:54 cait @wunder Konstanz
04:54 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 6.7°C (6:50 AM CEST on May 13, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
04:54 cait kinda cold
04:55 wizzyrea @wunder nzwn
04:55 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (4:30 PM NZST on May 13, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Falling).
04:55 wizzyrea seems odd-ish that it's warmer here than in Germany
04:56 eythian it's not even 7am there
05:02 cait i don't expect it to get a ot warmer
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06:25 ashimema eythian, you still about?
06:38 dcook While not the person you're looking for, hi anyway, ashimema :)
06:38 ashimema Hi dcook
06:38 ashimema how's aus?
06:39 dcook Not too bad at all. Got soaked in the rain last night, so my jacket is still drying...but today was warm enough that I didn't need one anyway :)
06:39 dcook Actually quite warm for this time of year..
06:39 dcook @wunder sydney, australia
06:39 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 21.0°C (4:00 PM EST on May 13, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady).
06:39 dcook How's the UK?
06:40 ashimema yeah, not bad at all at the moment.
06:40 ashimema @wunder steveange, uk
06:40 huginn ashimema: Error: No such location could be found.
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06:40 ashimema @wunder stevenage, uk
06:40 huginn ashimema: The current temperature in Pin Green, Stevenage, United Kingdom is 9.5°C (7:40 AM BST on May 13, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Windchill: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
06:40 reiveune hello
06:40 wahanui que tal, reiveune
06:42 dcook salut reiveune
06:42 reiveune salut dcook
06:42 dcook Just about time for the changing of the guard, eh?
06:42 reiveune yep
06:44 ashimema indeed
06:45 ashimema it's nice having such an international community
06:45 ashimema someone to talk too at pretty much any time of day ;)
06:49 reiveune this is great for those that never sleep ;)
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07:00 alex_a bonjour
07:00 wahanui what's up, alex_a
07:03 matts hi !
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07:05 * magnuse waves
07:05 * mveron waves back
07:06 magnuse :-)
07:07 * mveron Meeting...
07:09 magnuse have fun mveron
07:09 magnuse @wunder boo
07:09 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 4.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on May 13, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
07:11 dcook ashimema: It is pretty sweet :)
07:12 ashimema for all us insomniacs..
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07:12 gaetan_B hello
07:13 ashimema though there are occasions when I wish I didn't need to stay up so late to catch some people ;)
07:16 dcook Mmm truth
07:16 dcook Speaking of late, I should head home. Immigration stuffs can wait for tomorrow...
07:17 dcook Am I just procrastinating? Maybe a little bit..
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07:19 magnuse bonjour sophie_m gaetan_B
07:21 sophie_m hello magnuse
07:21 sophie_m hi #koha
07:25 dcook Anyway, I'm oout
07:25 dcook night all
07:25 wahanui goodnight dcook. You'll be back.
07:39 magnuse have fun dcook
07:39 magnuse @wunder marseille
07:39 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Realtor, CABRIES, France is 14.1°C (9:39 AM CEST on May 13, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 17%. Dew Point: -11.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
07:39 magnuse nice
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08:27 quyen_pq_ Hello expert of koha
08:27 quyen_pq_ somebody can help me
08:28 quyen_pq_ about index zebra of koha 3.12.0
08:28 quyen_pq_ I used vietnamese language
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08:58 magnuse icu?
08:58 wahanui icu is a good idea.
09:17 ashimema icu certainly is a good idea..
09:17 ashimema anyone else getting 'Resource interpreted as Image but transferred with MIME type application/javascript:' with current stable packages?
09:17 ashimema for a couple of the js bootstrap imports?
09:19 magnuse any particular page to look at?
09:19 ashimema all on opac..
09:19 ashimema looks like the offending lines are <script src="/opac-tmpl/bootstrap/li​b/enquire.min.js"></script>
09:20 ashimema and <script src="/opac-tmpl/bootstrap/js/script.js"></script>
09:20 ashimema should have a type="" I believe.
09:20 ashimema time for a git blame ;)
09:20 magnuse should it be in the "console" in firebug?
09:20 magnuse wasn't me!
09:20 magnuse ;-)
09:21 ashimema It's in the console on chrome developer tools.. so I imagine it should also be in firebug
09:22 magnuse i can see it in chromium, but not in firebug/firefox
09:22 ashimema interesting..
09:22 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
09:23 ashimema maybe it's a chrome/chromium security hardening..
09:23 ashimema i don't remember having seen it before.
09:24 ashimema oh.. those lines are generated in a very strange way.
09:24 magnuse in firebug you can choose to enable "Show Chrome Errors", but it still does not show anything like Chromium. not sure if they refer to "browser chrome" or "chrome the browser"...
09:25 ashimema pass..
09:25 ashimema I'll have a play at fixing it..
09:25 magnuse yay!
09:25 ashimema think it's probably just chrome being really really strict
09:25 magnuse fix all the bugs!
09:39 ashimema @later tell oleonard Could you take a look at bug 12239 pretty please?
09:39 huginn ashimema: The operation succeeded.
10:34 paxed there's no setting or anything to config what columns are displayed in the patron checkouts table?
10:35 paxed (if only the columns were consistently named, hiding them via CSS would be nicer...)
10:52 Joubu paxed: see bug 10212
10:52 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10212 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Columns configuration for tables
11:04 paxed janPasi: ah.
11:04 paxed bah
11:04 paxed Joubu: ah, ok.
11:04 paxed there's no way to hide branches from the opac library pulldown, right?
11:10 Joubu paxed: no I don't think so
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11:30 magnuse paxed:[…]m_search_pulldown
11:30 magnuse ...which probably means there is no setting for it
11:32 paxed bug 12242
11:32 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12242 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, pasi.kallinen, Needs Signoff , Allow hiding branches from the OPAC search pulldowns
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11:59 oleonard Hi #koha
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12:01 francharb morning
12:02 oleonard ashimema: Does Bug 12239 cause problems other than a warning in the console?
12:02 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12239 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Errors loading script under https in chrome
12:03 ashimema chrome marks the site as unsafe in https.. which a few of our customers don't like at all.
12:03 ashimema otherwise, no it's a minor issue in the grand scheme
12:03 ashimema thanks for taking a look.
12:03 oleonard I've seen that error before. I don't think it's related to https
12:04 ashimema interesting..
12:04 wahanui it has been said that interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
12:04 ashimema It's all I can narrow down to on a few sites where chrome marks the https as unsafe.
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12:54 * magnuse waves to dpavlin
12:58 oleonard ticketfest... I like the sound of that
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13:07 ashimema sounds promising
13:33 francharb HI
13:34 francharb Is EnhancedMessagingPreferences mandatory if I want to send HOLD notices?
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13:34 francharb I thought it was
13:34 francharb but if I look in the script, there is just a warn saying it might not send notices.
13:35 francharb It doesnt say, "it will not" so I'm confused...
13:37 oleonard gmcharlt: Is there a reason to have both Bug 11346 and Bug 12233?
13:37 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11346 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Deprecate the PROG and CCSR themes
13:37 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12233 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , remove prog and CCSR OPAC themes
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14:12 tcohen morning!
14:12 wahanui it has been said that morning is a state of cat
14:12 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12234 - build script version update <[…]6eebcb08304aaf3cd> / Bug 12234 - changelog updates from 3.14 series <[…]2d77d39f1e148bf4f> / Bug 12234 - dependency changes to allow master to build <[…];a=commitdiff;h=c
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14:16 jenkins_koha Starting build #1753 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
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14:30 user55 @wunder 65201
14:30 huginn user55: The current temperature in Cedar Lake, Columbia, Missouri is 11.5°C (9:30 AM CDT on May 13, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.11 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
14:30 user55 @wunder houston, tx
14:30 huginn user55: The current temperature in Galena Park, Galena Park, Texas is 19.7°C (9:30 AM CDT on May 13, 2014). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Falling).
14:31 user55 the weather channel says druthb got 5" of rain overnight
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14:43 tcohen @leter tell eythian if the user installs on apache2.2 then the instance handling should be done with .conf
14:43 huginn tcohen: I suck
14:43 tcohen huginn: i know
14:43 huginn tcohen: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
14:46 user55 ergo, RDA sucks?
14:46 tcohen heh
14:47 oleonard Why is there now a separate "*-messages.po" ?
14:47 oleonard Bug 8044?
14:47 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8044 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , Localization for Perl scripts and modules
14:48 oleonard ...but why have the strings in a separate po file? Doesn't that mean the strings will be translated multiple times?
14:52 gmcharlt oleonard: the file is for supporting the translation of strings embedded in Perl code
14:55 gmcharlt as far as why it's in a separate file, it's so that the code that retrieves the translations doesn't have to load /all/ of the strings, just the comparatively tiny subset of strings that simply must be generated from the Perl code
14:56 oleonard gmcharlt: Are there established guidelines for when strings can/should be embedded in Perl?
14:56 gmcharlt oleonard: not yet
14:56 gmcharlt though one obvious case where it's pretty clear that the strings should be in the Perl would be for things like translating the output of command-line jobs
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14:59 oleonard ...and as in Bug 11668 where the output is to a file. I get it.
14:59 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11668 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Untranslatable "Total" in borrowers stats report
14:59 oleonard Thanks
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15:08 * cait waves
15:09 gmcharlt hi cait
15:10 * cait survived
15:10 cait :)
15:10 gmcharlt cait++
15:11 cait now on to the next big project ...
15:11 cait but first travelling home
15:12 cait gmcharlt: i kept saying: this will be in 3.16 a lot
15:12 gmcharlt :)
15:13 cait and people were very intersted to see command line patron import
15:13 cait edifact, acq email sending, acq for elecronitc resources and
15:13 cait hm.
15:14 cait I meant acq order emails
15:14 cait and something else i currently forgot about
15:17 cait lots of things that are actually already planned/being worked on
15:22 cait @wunder Konstanz
15:22 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 9.0°C (5:00 PM CEST on May 13, 2014). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Rising).
15:47 talljoy ck
15:47 talljoy back that is
15:55 ashimema yikes cait, some of those are on my todo list
15:55 ashimema missed her, damn
16:18 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1753: SUCCESS in 2 hr 3 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1753/
16:18 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 12206: fix HTML in other holdings list in staff search results page
16:18 jenkins_koha * Robin Sheat: Bug 12234 - dependency changes to allow master to build
16:18 jenkins_koha * Robin Sheat: Bug 12234 - changelog updates from 3.14 series
16:18 jenkins_koha * Robin Sheat: Bug 12234 - build script version update
16:18 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12206 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Malformed HTML in search result other holdings list
16:18 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12234 blocker, P3, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , Package dependency updates for master
16:18 gaetan_B bye!
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16:33 bag @later tell trea Happy Birthday dood
16:33 huginn bag: The operation succeeded.
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17:01 jwellner-Stanwood Hey Brendan, are you available?
17:03 ashimema bag, your beng summoned ;)
17:04 ashimema bag - your beng summoned ;)
17:04 ashimema how can I typo twice in a row.. ack
17:04 * jwellner-Stanwood places incense around the room and lights the candles....
17:05 ashimema ;)
17:07 bag ashimema++
17:08 ashimema your welcome
17:08 bag ashimema: it's you're
17:08 bag you are welcome :)
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17:11 ashimema indeed, my brain hurts today
17:19 jwellner-Stanwood My side hurts... and head... :)  But working on both... :)
17:29 reiveune bye
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18:06 * cait waves from another train
18:18 * jwellner-Stanwood waves back!
18:24 cait hi jwellner-Stanwood
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20:06 cait @later tell nengard commented on 12331 - hope it helps
20:06 huginn cait: The operation succeeded.
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21:05 cait hi kathryn
21:06 kathryn hi cait :)
21:08 cait :)
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21:19 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
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21:23 rangi morning
21:24 tcohen morning rangi
21:31 mtompset Greetings, rangi tcohen.
21:32 rangi so we have the SCO thing on the opac, for self checkout, ... has anyone done a self check in thing for it? otherwise im gonna have to
21:32 mtompset Nope, sorry.
21:41 cait rangi: hm good question, no idea
21:42 cait rangi: looks like there is a return item link
21:43 cait http://manual.koha-community.o[…]selfcheckout.html
21:43 cait in the table with the checkouts
21:43 markvandenborre man, what a mess
21:43 rangi oh interesting
21:43 wahanui interesting is probably sometimes good and sometimes bad
21:43 markvandenborre about 40% of the library here has at least some kind of labeling
21:44 cait rangi: AllowSelfCheckReturns
21:44 rangi but you have to login with your card right
21:44 rangi you cant just return an item?
21:44 markvandenborre every pdf has at least five duplicates
21:44 cait haven't tested that - and won#t tonight :)
21:45 markvandenborre at least half has only a timestamp as file name, and no embedded metadata
21:45 markvandenborre it's the digital equivalent of a rubbish heap
21:45 markvandenborre sorry to bother you all with this
21:45 markvandenborre frustration
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21:46 markvandenborre it will take a few times more time to clean up the mess than it took to install and configure koha correctly
21:46 markvandenborre thanks again, all of you, for your help
21:46 cait markvandenborre: let it out, it's ok
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22:23 eythian hi
22:24 * cait waves
22:24 tcohen hi cait, eythian
22:24 cait hi tcohen
22:24 tcohen good catch eythian # your followup
22:29 eythian ashimema: I wasn't, but I am now
22:30 eythian tcohen: yeah, I figured there was no point nagging people on new installs :)
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22:38 tcohen eythian: does apt-get purge remove the user's selection?
22:39 eythian I don't know
22:39 eythian probably not
23:09 mtj interesting FOSS discussion here...
23:09 mtj[…]source-on-the-job
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23:10 rangi ah yeah saw that yesterday
23:11 mtj woah, i rftm more…, it mentions koha :p
23:12 mtj '"Open Source," "Free [Software]," "Contribute," and "Development" appear to scare managers away. '
23:13 mtj funny…, those are often word i us to *promote* FOSS ^^
23:13 rangi its all about gauging your audience and switching words for them
23:13 rangi i dont think any rules actually applie
23:13 rangi apply
23:13 mtj yeah, all true
23:15 mtj hmm… my spelling needs a coffee :)
23:20 eythian I'm fairly sure the koha list is broken
23:20 rangi theres a lot in the archive that i havent seen actual mail for
23:21 rangi[…]014-May/date.html
23:21 rangi sijobl: are you around by any chance?
23:22 eythian yeah, same here
23:26 mtj[…]4-May/039436.html
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23:27 mtj "***UNCHECKED*** … it looks borked
23:27 rangi dropped si an email
23:27 mtj awesome :)
23:27 rangi naw, thats just people sending attachments and the virus scanner not liking them, i think there is other stuff going on
23:27 eythian yeah
23:28 mtj aah, ok :)
23:28 rangi i think its probably choked up with whatever fools keeping trying to mass subscribe people
23:28 eythian I've seen my own emails take days to show up
23:30 * tcohen hasn't seen any delays, thou
23:31 rangi youve seen copies of all the mail in the archive?
23:31 tcohen heh, no, but my own
23:31 tcohen (and its responses)
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23:31 * tcohen rechecks the archive
23:35 eythian the UNCHECKED thing is a bit weird, I assumed it was one person, but maybe someone at katipo is doing things with the server and virus scanners.
23:35 eythian Whatever's happened, it's not working right.
23:36 mtj yeah, UNCHECKED is happening for many users
23:37 mtj s/many/some/
23:38 rangi it'll be people with images etc as their sigs
23:41 mtj yeah :)

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