IRC log for #koha, 2014-04-17

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00:20 mtompset eythian: to counter your earworm.
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01:35 mtompset jcamins: You here?
01:36 mtompset @later tell jcamins What do you think of my thoughts on bug 9551?
01:36 huginn mtompset: The operation succeeded.
01:37 dcook Huh...we have IE hacks even in the bootstrap CSS...
01:38 dcook bug 11559
01:38 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11559 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Needs Signoff , Professional cataloger's interface
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02:53 wizzyrea dcook - I just updated the RDA framework on the wiki from a .sql to a .csv
02:54 wizzyrea (because we can't import .sql's anymore)
02:55 dcook wizzyrea: Ah, right. I forgot about that.
02:56 dcook Sounds good :)
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03:43 * mtompset waves good night.
03:43 mtompset Have a great day, #koha.
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06:36 marcelr hi #koha
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06:38 reiveune hello
06:41 marcelr hi reiveune
06:41 reiveune hi marcelr
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07:30 gaetan_B hello!
07:32 cait hi gaetan_B
07:32 cait hi #koha!
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08:00 cait marcelr: morning :)
08:00 marcelr hi cait
08:00 cait marcelr: doing qa? :)
08:00 marcelr only some small stuff for now
08:01 cait which one are looking at right now?
08:01 cait i have some time for something small right now, bigger ones later today i hope
08:01 marcelr just finished 12058
08:01 marcelr not picked a new one
08:01 marcelr so go ahead :)
08:02 cait hm
08:02 cait i will give 11988 a try
08:02 marcelr bug 11988
08:02 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11988 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Display basket group close date on late orders
08:07 cait hm, it looked so clean, but something is weird
08:07 cait oh
08:07 cait dependency
08:07 wahanui i heard dependency was actually for libgraphics-magick-perl.
08:17 * cait is now looking at bug 11708 .... and then the other
08:17 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11708 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , Display all basketgroups on one page, and new column aqbasketgroups.closeddate
08:23 cait marcelr: could you maybe take a look at 12019? it's from Joubu and I signed it off - so we are out
08:24 cait bug 12019
08:24 wahanui somebody said bug 12019 was related to the owners being added
08:24 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12019 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , funds displayed on acquisition home show funds of all branches
08:24 marcelr cait: will put it on my list..
08:24 cait thak you
08:44 cait native speaker around?
08:53 cait hm so much for something small and easy
08:53 cait ..
10:13 ashimema ?
10:13 ashimema native what?
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10:50 fridolin hie all
10:51 kivilahtio hiya fridolin
10:52 fridolin I've juste rinstall my laptop with Lubuntu 14.04, thats why i was not on chan this week ;)
10:53 fridolin works great
10:53 fridolin and so fast with SSD
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11:00 kivilahtio super fast!
11:00 kivilahtio ssd awesomeness
11:01 cait english speaker :) ashimema
11:01 cait i was wondering what's better: amount spent oder spent amount
11:02 ashimema british english... 'amount spent' sounds better to me
11:02 cait coolio, will update the bug thx
11:03 cait ok all
11:03 cait i am having a qa day
11:03 cait feel free to bug me
11:09 cait so... can i persuade someone to sign off on 8375?
11:10 ashimema bug 8375
11:10 wahanui bug 8375 is surposed to fix something, and it's on the right track, but not sufficiant to make utf-8 work.
11:10 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8375 normal, P5 - low, ---, matted-34813, Needs Signoff , Common diacritics not shown correctly when exporting batch label to PDF
11:11 ashimema hmm, never played in that area of code..
11:11 cait bug 12061....
11:11 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12061 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Needs Signoff , new features
11:11 * ashimema goes off to read the test plan.. if there is one
11:11 cait :)
11:19 cait ashimema: while you are on it... bug 12068
11:19 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12068 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Needs Signoff , Add support for RTL languages
11:19 cait ;)
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11:34 cait Joubu: already on vacation?
11:43 cait hi matts
11:43 cait do you know if Joubu is already on vacation today?
11:43 matts hi cait
11:44 matts Yeah, I think so
11:44 cait ok
11:44 cait thx :)
11:51 chris_n cait: 8375 is a bit confused atm; are you seeking sign-off on just the ttf patch?
11:51 cait on the what still needs sign off
11:51 cait i think it's a bit spread out on 3 bugs right now
11:52 * chris_n thinks the rtl should be separate
11:52 cait the rtl is on a separate bug now
11:52 chris_n k
11:54 chris_n so the patch adding ttf needs sign-off and passed-qa so that 9854 can be pushed?
11:54 chris_n which will clear the way for 12068?
11:55 cait bug 9854
11:55 chris_n cait: it appears that khall has signed off
11:55 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9854 normal, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, BLOCKED , Add 'ttf-dejavu*' packages to debian/control file, for label printing (bug 8375)
11:55 cait is blocked by another bug 12068 i think
11:55 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12068 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Needs Signoff , Add support for RTL languages
11:55 cait hm no another
11:55 chris_n no
11:55 cait i am not good with numbers
11:55 cait but i wiould like to resolve the dependency on the blocked one
11:56 chris_n 12068 is blocked by 8375
11:56 chris_n Kyle has signed off on the critical patch for 8375
11:56 chris_n so I see no reason you could not qa it
11:56 chris_n the rtl stuff needs obsoleted since it has its own bug now
11:58 chris_n acutally that's not completely true; it looks like the alignment patch needs to be signed off
11:58 cait bug 8375 is still needed
11:58 * chris_n will try to do that in a moment
11:58 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8375 normal, P5 - low, ---, matted-34813, Needs Signoff , Common diacritics not shown correctly when exporting batch label to PDF
11:59 chris_n yes, but one of two patches is signed off for that bug
11:59 cait that's the one it starts with
11:59 chris_n I will do the second one now
11:59 cait ok
11:59 chris_n then both will be signed off and qa may proceed
11:59 chris_n its super confusing
11:59 chris_n :P
11:59 cait i had asked ashimema ealrier to take a look
11:59 cait maybe we should ping him, if he already started, so you don't double up
12:00 ashimema indeed... so far I've just opened the bug in a tab, but not got to grips with it yet..
12:00 ashimema having issues with servers here at the moment.
12:00 ashimema so feel free to grab it chris_n
12:01 chris_n ashimema: tnx
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12:19 chris_n cait: the text alignment fix is in the wrong place code-wise
12:19 chris_n I have added a comment to that effect
12:20 cait ok
12:20 cait my main interest is that we enable people to print labels with diacritics
12:20 chris_n I fear there could be unintended side-effects as is
12:20 cait the label code is a bit mysterious to me
12:20 chris_n yes, but not at the expense of regressions :-)
12:21 chris_n pdf/postscript is all sort of magical in the first place
12:21 cait true no regressions and you know the code best
12:21 chris_n which is probably why there are only two perl modules dealing with it
12:21 cait so I appreciate the testing :)
12:22 chris_n and those are really limited
12:22 cait some other question: should a new premission for waiving fines also effect the 'forgive overdue fines' box on the check in page?
12:22 chris_n his fix is fine, and I think he can make it where I suggest and we'll be ok
12:23 chris_n I would think so since forgiving a fine is essentially waving it
12:23 cait thx chris_n
12:23 cait ashimema?  someone else?
12:25 cait quiet in here today
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12:39 ashimema I'd agree.. forgiving a fine is essentially waiving it.
12:39 ashimema so it should affect both in my mind
12:41 oleonard Hi #koha
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12:41 cait hi oleonard :)
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13:53 oleonard Anyone know off the top of their head how Koha chooses a cardnumber for someone who registers through the OPAC?
13:55 cait hm, sorry I don't know
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14:00 oleonard Looks like it happens in, fixup_cardnumber
14:03 oleonard ...which doesn't look at the CardnumberLength system preference when generating a new number...
14:16 oleonard Oh nice, if you have autoMemberNum turned on it doesn't check the CardnumberLength system preference when generating a number
14:21 * cait hands oleonard cookies
14:22 oleonard The card number situation is really troublesome for us. We want to start using the online registration feature but keep running into unforeseen roadblocks
14:22 oleonard Koha generates a username for online registrations, but the online services we connect to require the user to log in with a card number
14:22 cait aah
14:23 oleonard So we'll have to teach the users to locate their card number before they can start using those services
14:23 cait could you, as a temporary solution, issue a new cardnumber to them when they how up at the circ desk? when they get there real library card?
14:23 cait ah, i think i misunderstood
14:23 oleonard ...but if Koha generates a card number which doesn't match our standard card number length it won't work with some services.
14:23 cait oh
14:23 oleonard Our goal is to let people sign up online and begin using online services right away
14:24 cait yeah i understand
14:24 oleonard I guess SIP authentication doesn't work with username?
14:24 cait only cardnumber
14:24 cait ils-di works with user name
14:24 cait but that has its own set of other problems i guess
14:28 cait speaking of it
14:28 cait i am working on bug 10904 right now
14:28 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10904 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , would like to limit patron update request management by branch
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15:14 gaetan_B bye!
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16:09 cait oleonard++ :)
16:10 oleonard Thanks cait. After seeing Bug 12072 I wanted to make sure date sorting wasn't tied to date parsing.
16:10 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12072 major, P5 - low, ---, pasi.kallinen, Failed QA , New dateformat
16:10 cait hm yeah not sure what to do about that one
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16:43 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12058: make OverDrive search results page show cart, lists, and login links <[…]cad771d95062bc48d> / Bug 9448: (follow-up) prevent unauthorized operator from bypassing check on forgiving... <[…]7592a69fdd0d20620> / Bug 9448: DBRev <http://git.
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17:05 pianohacker hi
17:06 oleonard Hi pianohacker
17:06 * cait waves at pianohacker
17:06 pianohacker hi guys
17:07 pianohacker oleonard: If you have a second I'd like to bounce an interface question off of you (rancor related)
17:07 oleonard Sure
17:08 cait pianohacker: are you around now for a bit?
17:08 cait i have tortured kyle some today and would like to omve on to torturing you in ab it
17:09 pianohacker oleonard: just added support for the xml fixed-field widgets to rancor, and my current implementation has the 008 field going over two lines; finding the screenshot I took
17:11 pianohacker oleonard:
17:11 pianohacker this... works but is a bit jankety. Have any ideas?
17:11 pianohacker cait: your input as a cataloger would be useful too
17:12 pianohacker and yes I'll be in for another 6 or 7 hours
17:12 pianohacker torture++
17:12 cait cool
17:12 oleonard[…]eiW0aE&feature=kp
17:13 pianohacker ha!
17:16 oleonard pianohacker: My first instinct is to wonder whether the form controls can be hidden until they are clicked
17:18 pianohacker oleonard: seems like a good idea... make it so each control is just text until you click on it, at which point it becomes an actual dropdown?
17:19 oleonard That's what I was thinking of, though I don't know how complex that is to implement
17:20 pianohacker it shouldn't be too bad, just trying to figure out the best way to display/implement it so you can easily click to or tab into each field, and nicely separate all of the 1-character fields jammed together
17:20 pianohacker thanks :)
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17:27 kmo78 I'm having some issues trying to backup my sql db. Anyone willing to help?
17:27 pianohacker we can try, at least. Shoot
17:28 kmo78 I'm getting the following error: mysqldump: Got error: 1033: Incorrect information in file: './koha/biblio_framework.frm' when using LOCK TABLES
17:29 kmo78 I tried to update koha and I think they may have been what caused this issue
17:29 pianohacker kmo78: hrm, that's a bit frightening. Looks like database corruption at first glance, though I haven't seen that error before
17:30 pianohacker kmo78: Can you still open Administration -> MARC bibliographic framework?
17:31 pastebot "kmo78" at pasted "Error when accessing site" (9 lines) at
17:32 cait kmo78: what did you update to?
17:32 pianohacker what the heck.
17:32 wahanui rumour has it . is an integral part of the call number
17:32 pianohacker kmo78: what was your old version of Koha?
17:33 kmo78 I'm not really sure what version it was. I took over the administration of it recently from someone else
17:33 kmo78 I dont have very good documentation either
17:34 cait which version di dyou update to?
17:34 cait and how did you update? is your installation using packages? tarball? dev?
17:34 cait i think you are missing a dependency
17:34 cait but that might be different from your database problem
17:34 kmo78 I sshe'd into it and logged in as koha-console and tried to update through that
17:35 kmo78 looks like its running on debian lenny
17:35 pianohacker good lord
17:35 kmo78 so i tried to do an update of lenny but it's not longer supported
17:35 kmo78 yes, it's a mess
17:35 kmo78 i was hoping to backup the db and move it to a new machine
17:36 cait sounds reasonable
17:36 pianohacker kmo78: If a bare mysqldump is failing, that's probably your first concern, and there isn't much we can do to help you, unfortunately
17:37 pianohacker We can help you with the upgrade and the rest, but MySQL is your first dragon
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17:37 cait kmo78: what did you run to backup?
17:38 kmo78 sudo mysqldump -u kohaadmin -p koha > mydatadump.sql
17:39 kmo78 When I run that I get this: mysqldump: Got error: 1033: Incorrect information in file: './koha/biblio_framework.frm' when using LOCK TABLES
17:39 pianohacker yeah, mysql is unhappy
17:39 kmo78 would updating koha mess up the mysql db?
17:41 pianohacker It shouldn't; Koha doesn't touch the database files themselves, that's the MySQL server's job
17:41 pianohacker A failed database upgrade on Koha's part would manifest as missing tables/system preferences/etc., not errors like that
17:43 kmo78 maybe I should attempt to update lenny
17:43 kmo78 and then upgrade from there
17:44 pianohacker kmo78: check this out first:[…]me-table-name-frm
17:51 kmo78 I'll check that out. thanks.
17:52 kmo78 Strange. I wonder why innodb would have disabled.
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17:55 kmo78 i've updated my sources.list to include the squeeze files. Going to upgrade to squeeze and then try and go from there
17:57 kmo78 i think when i did an apt-get update it updated mysql and disabled the db
17:57 pianohacker that's quite odd
17:58 kmo78 not sure really. i'm not much of a linux user but i know enough to get by
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17:59 AndroUser2 Ls
18:00 AndroUser2 .
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18:04 reiveune bye
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18:20 ashimema-mobile Ack.. android irc not playing nice
18:20 cait bad android irc, no cookie for you
18:20 ashimema-mobile Sorry cait and pionohacker
18:20 pianohacker I am highly offended at my "very cool" not being received
18:20 * pianohacker slaps ashimema-mobile with glove
18:21 pianohacker text editors at dawn
18:21 * cait is even more offended by her silence not being commented on
18:21 ashimema-mobile Lol
18:22 ashimema-mobile Any who, hope everyone had a great easter weekend
18:22 cait had?
18:23 * pianohacker steps out of tardis
18:23 ashimema-mobile Has.. Bloody Android predictive text
18:23 ashimema-mobile Think I better quit whilst I'm ahead. . Well. . Not too far behind at least
18:24 cait happy easter :)
18:25 pianohacker happy easter :)
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18:37 clouso Hi all, we are currently migrating from Unicorn to Koha.  How can we extract the items value for the serials ?  We successfuly extract the biblios with items but all the serials dont have any items tie to it.
18:37 clouso The 942$XXX dont existe for the serials.
18:37 cait oleonard: you still around?
18:37 oleonard Yes
18:38 cait clouso: sorry, we don't know the data structure of Unicorn
18:38 clouso cait: anyone already did a migration of a Sirsi product ?
18:38 cait at least I don't and most peopl ehere won't - exporting serial data can be very different depending on the ILS
18:38 cait probably :)
18:39 cait i am sure even - maybe try asking on the mailing list?
18:39 cait talljoy maybe?
18:39 cait oleonard: looking at bug 12071
18:39 talljoy here i am!
18:39 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12071 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Signed Off , javascript broken for a search with double quotes
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18:40 cait talljoy: clouso has a migration related question... so I was thinking of you :)
18:40 talljoy extracting from unicorn.....
18:40 talljoy precursor to Symphony, yes?
18:40 clouso Yes
18:40 talljoy is the data similar to Symphony?
18:40 clouso I think.  How can I do it in Symphony ?
18:41 talljoy we have had libraries do it at the command line in Symphony.  i can get you those commands if you have access that way.
18:41 clouso I can have acess yes
18:41 talljoy selserctl |dumpflatserctl >
18:41 talljoy selcatalog |catalogdump -om -ka998 -lALL_LIBS >mhld.mrc
18:41 talljoy selprediction |dumpflatissue >
18:42 talljoy that will pull pull out the serial data that you then have to stitch back together.
18:42 talljoy but it gets it out!
18:42 cait oleonard: you weren't able to reproduce the problem - do the changes ok to you?
18:42 clouso So I only have to execute those 3 query &
18:43 talljoy those three extracts will dump out the data and then you grab the files and you have serials data.
18:43 clouso Excellent you save my life ;-)
18:43 clouso Thanks !!!
18:43 talljoy i have other commands for pulling out the catalog and items and users.  but sounds like you have that under control.
18:43 talljoy your welcome.  Best of luck!!
18:43 cait talljoy++
18:43 clouso Can you still give them out, just in case :-)
18:44 oleonard I'm looking again cait
18:44 cait thx :)
18:44 talljoy clouso, consider them sent via email
18:45 clouso thx!
18:47 clouso I'll let you know after testing it.
18:47 oleonard cait: I still can't reproduce the problem, but the changes in the templates look fine to me.
18:47 cait ok, i will do some tests, thx!
18:48 cait oleonard++
18:50 cait i can reproduce the problem ith the z39.50 search
18:50 cait i searched for: 中文
18:56 cait unsurprisingly, searh term highlighting for chinese characters doesn't really work
18:56 cait hm.
18:56 cait hm actually it partially works...
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19:02 oleonard khall around?
19:04 khall I was about to bounce for the day, what's up?
19:05 khall oleonard: ?
19:06 oleonard Hey khall I was wondering about how jquery.dataTables.columnFilter.js is used in
19:07 khall go on
19:07 cait bye khall :)
19:07 khall bye cait!
19:07 oleonard khall: Is it used? If so, what functionality depends on the plugin?
19:09 khall I don't think it is. Including it was likely an accident
19:09 oleonard Okay thanks khall, that's what I suspected.
19:09 khall np!
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19:42 pianohacker cait: no, bug 12058
19:42 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12058 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , OverDrive search results page doesn't show cart, lists, or login links
19:45 cait pianohacker: ?
19:46 pianohacker cait: was trying to show which commit I had as HEAD on master
19:47 oleonard Oh hey Bug 11719 needs signoff? I wonder if everyone knows?
19:47 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11719 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Use new DataTables include in serials templates
19:56 * cait has a patch waiting for a sign off as well...
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21:04 jmsasse bag: quick question for you
21:04 pianohacker indexdata--
21:05 jmsasse su
21:15 jmsasse pianohacker: how' it going
21:15 pianohacker good, good...
21:16 jmsasse In CO, right?
21:16 pianohacker except trying to diagnose a slippery segfault in pazpar2
21:16 pianohacker yup :)
21:16 pianohacker I'm not matching a username to a face for you, though
21:16 jmsasse I have no clue what pazpar2 does
21:17 jmsasse I've seen a lot of references to it but never in action
21:17 pianohacker it's a metasearch engine (collating proxy from z39.50/sru to the web, essentially)
21:20 bag hey jmsasse
21:20 bag sorry to miss your ping earlier what
21:20 bag s up
21:20 jmsasse hey bag
21:21 jmsasse I'm still pretty green at this, can you open a chat window?
21:21 jmsasse bag that is
21:23 cait indexdata--
21:25 bag yo cait
21:25 cait obvoiusly... it's me trying to sign off and the pazpar2 misbehaves again
21:47 bag bug 11126
21:47 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11126 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Make the holds system optionally give precedence to local holds
21:58 rambutan passable koha server?[…]_ssd_ram_upgrade/
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22:10 cait hi bag
22:10 bag cait: HI
22:12 pianohacker that is quite good, yes
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22:40 cait good night all
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23:31 pianohacker bye

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