IRC log for #koha, 2014-01-30

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00:50 eythian[…]trent-reznor-song <-- it so is
01:00 dcook Does anyone else dislike when they hear a sound from an app or a website, but they have no idea to which it belongs?
01:02 eythian yeah, though it's rare that it happens, I think mostly because I have blocking addons for things.
01:02 dcook Me thinks that I might need more of those
01:10 wizzyrea because my brain is obviously not working properly - you can't change the little icons that populate from the leader?
01:10 wizzyrea I know you can turn them off.
01:11 eythian no, I don't think you can
01:11 dcook Only if you edit your XSLT, me thinks
01:12 wizzyrea right. thanks
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01:23 rangi nope you can turn them off with a syspref
01:24 rangi i just have to find it
01:26 dcook DisplayIconsXSLT, I think
01:26 dcook Although it also removes the words as well as the icons
01:26 rangi theres a patch to switch to using the itemtype icon too
01:26 wizzyrea rangi++ thanks
01:26 wizzyrea yea I found that one
01:26 wizzyrea iconsxslt was the bit I was missing :)
01:27 dcook I'm always a bit conflicted about record type vs item type
01:28 dcook I suppose the 942 acts like a record type though
01:28 wizzyrea I think the record type is more or less useless information
01:28 rangi it is
01:28 dcook Sort of, eh?
01:28 wizzyrea especially if you think about frbr.
01:28 rangi totlally useless
01:28 rangi and cant support reality
01:28 wizzyrea ^^^
01:28 dcook I suppose the part that gets me though is when you have a bib without items
01:28 rangi that was one thing they could have fixed with RDA
01:29 dcook In Koha, you might have an item type in the 942, but is that an "item type"
01:29 wizzyrea what. is. the. harm. in. creating. an. item.
01:29 rangi they just made more of a mess though
01:29 dcook wizzyrea: Yeah, that's usually what we do
01:29 rangi yeah theres no reason not to have an item
01:29 rangi ever
01:29 dcook But if you're importing from someone like Ebsco, they won't have items by default
01:29 dcook So you'd need to write a script to create items from an import
01:29 jcamins Record type can be useful... as long as you don't think of it as related at all to item types.
01:29 dcook Which makes a barrier to regular non-programmers
01:29 rangi jcamins: or reality :)
01:29 dcook jcamins: Also true
01:30 dcook It depends how you implement item types, I suppose
01:30 wizzyrea really, ISBN, ISSN, UPC, those ought to be item fields
01:30 rangi since it cant support most of what is being published now
01:30 wizzyrea well not issn.
01:30 wizzyrea but isbn, upc.
01:30 wizzyrea (upc for DVD's)
01:30 eythian No, ISBN and UPC shouldn't be, that's denormalised.
01:31 jcamins rangi: no, record types can have a definite basis in reality, just not if you think of record type in purely physical terms.
01:31 rangi i dont see any other use for them
01:31 rangi esoteric data no one cares about?
01:32 jcamins Many of my libraries use it.
01:32 eythian they are a general semantic type that is movable between catalogues.
01:32 eythian it's just they're a pain to actually use :)
01:32 jcamins "Auction catalogs" for example.
01:33 rangi im still missing the point
01:33 wizzyrea me too. Just create an item.
01:35 * rangi pops a painkiller and goes back to sleep
01:35 jcamins Last I checked, you can't show item information at a bibliographic level.
01:36 * eythian grumbles at the idea of creating fake items, it's bad data, even though it's sometimes necessary.
01:36 eythian it's a hack for something that needs a better solution.
01:36 dcook ^^
01:36 wizzyrea yea, frbr. :P
01:36 eythian pretty much, yeah
01:37 * wizzyrea points out that as originally coded, Koha handled all of that really well.
01:37 rangi fucking marc
01:37 rangi now im really leaving
01:37 eythian yeah, but marc
01:38 eythian koha could sorta fake it with marc, grab another 9xx field and link them together. It'd get ugly though.
01:38 eythian *uglier
01:38 wizzyrea why would you bother faking it
01:39 eythian same reason item records are already there.
01:39 eythian everything in one place has its uses.
01:40 kathryn fake it til you make it...
01:40 wizzyrea I still feel that the bib level item type, in *general library usage* is misleading for borrowers, and overall utterly pointless.
01:41 wizzyrea yea you got your quote 123 situations where ok sure your use case it might be helpful
01:41 wizzyrea but it'll be a 123.
01:41 eythian data normalisation is important, or everything will end up terrible.
01:41 eythian and bib level records provide that
01:41 eythian oh, bib level item type
01:42 eythian yeah, it's an odd one.
01:42 dcook ^
01:42 * wizzyrea still prefers the frbr model.
01:43 eythian well yeah
01:43 wizzyrea you shouldn't end up with 50 different hamlet records. You should have one hamlet, with 50 expressions, and an item for each expression.
01:43 eythian it's even more normalised, which up to a point means more good :)
01:44 wizzyrea I'm not going to argue normalisation with you, lol. I'm not an advocate for "do it all willy nilly"
01:44 wizzyrea just don't do it this way as it's nonsensical.
01:44 eythian however MARC was developed before relational data storage was a thing, so that doesn't help it any.
01:45 dcook ^
01:45 wizzyrea[…]anch_group_limit= regardless, without those damn icons this looks passably nice ;)
01:46 dcook Is that jquery?
01:46 wizzyrea what?
01:46 eythian are those records confusing bibliography and biography?
01:46 dcook How you're hiding it. Well, CSS, but I wasn't sure if you used jquery or the usercss for that
01:46 eythian e.g. "Dracula; a biography of Vlad the Impaler, 1431-1476"
01:46 eythian Format: print bibliography bibliography; Nature of contents: biography; Literary form: not fiction
01:46 wizzyrea I think those came from gutenberg
01:47 wizzyrea that data predates me I think. I could certainly remove it
01:47 eythian maybe it means something different in cataloguey terms.
01:49 dcook Did you miss some icons, wizzyrea, or are those supposed to be there?
01:49 wizzyrea I only turned off the xslt icons thing, whatever that did is what it did.
01:49 dcook Ah, the system preference must've changed since I last used it then
01:50 dcook eythian: Bibliography: p. 215-228.
01:50 wizzyrea that seems highly unlikely
01:50 dcook I think it's probably a coding error
01:50 dcook Err, human error that is
01:50 eythian dcook: well, it might have a bibliography, but it sounds like it's describing the whole work as one.
01:50 eythian which seemed inaccurate.
01:51 eythian especially if it's also a biography
01:51 eythian my phone is claiming that it's 27° here. I think it's lying.
01:51 eythian @wunder nzwn
01:51 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 19.0°C (2:30 PM NZDT on January 30, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Rising).
01:51 dcook eythian: I concur
01:51 dcook I think it's a biography containing a bibliography
01:52 dcook So it probably shouldn't say "print bibliography"
01:52 wizzyrea I think the item probably doesn't actually exist as catalogued.
01:52 wizzyrea since it's a fiction to begin with.
01:52 wizzyrea the record, not the work.
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01:53 eythian quite possibly
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01:55 dcook Actually, it looks like it might be a coding issue in Koha?
01:55 dcook Or rather, a difference between MARC and Koha
01:55 dcook bibliographies should be under nature of contents
01:55 dcook Which, in this case, seems relevant
01:56 dcook Form should just be print
01:57 dcook If you look at the html source, it even says bibliographies is a natureofcontents datum
01:57 * dcook can't believe he just said datum
01:58 eythian why, it's a perfectly valid word :)
01:58 dcook Yeah, but it just seems a bit wanky
01:59 * dcook feels the thickness of his glasses
01:59 dcook Perhaps I have enough cred to say it
02:00 mtompset Does anyone here have experience migrating circulation history?
02:00 eythian yep
02:00 eythian it's easy peasy
02:01 mtompset which tables?
02:01 eythian old_issues for history, issues for current.
02:01 eythian and items.issued needs to be populated accordingly too
02:07 dcook items.onloan?
02:07 wahanui items.onloan is, like, NULL
02:07 mtompset now, what if this is from 3.0.7?
02:07 mtompset those tables existed back then?
02:08 * mtompset cringes, "I need to set up a Koha 3.0.7 VM."
02:08 eythian dcook: that's the one sorry
02:09 eythian mtompset: yeah, not a whole lot has changed in that respect, iirc.
02:09 eythian I think maybe a new column or something that's not even used.
02:09 mtompset @karma dcook
02:09 huginn mtompset: Karma for "dcook" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1.
02:09 mtompset dcook++ # we don't say thank you enough. :)
02:10 mtompset @karma eythian
02:10 huginn mtompset: Karma for "eythian" has been increased 11 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 10.
02:10 mtompset eythian++ # for the circulation history help.
02:11 dcook I think I was just working on items.onloan recently, so thought it might be relevant
02:14 mtompset So the old_issues.issuedate is used to populate the items.onloan value, right?
02:14 mtompset well, and issues.issuedate as well, right?
02:14 eythian mtompset: no
02:14 eythian onloan is null or the date due
02:15 eythian oh
02:15 eythian the issue date
02:15 eythian but not from old_issues
02:15 eythian basically, I run this after an import:
02:15 eythian[…]erty/
02:23 * mtompset starts up his UNIMARC VM.
02:26 mtompset I really should do this more often. I hate huge git pulls.
02:26 eythian you don't share one repo between them all?
02:27 mtompset separate VM.
02:27 eythian network file systems
02:27 mtompset Don't want to even go there.
02:27 eythian I NFS mount mine, but sshfs would also work.
02:28 mtompset I choose the pain for simplicity.
02:28 wizzyrea pull only the master branch?
02:28 wizzyrea can reduce it some.
02:28 * mtompset shrugs.
02:28 eythian or pull from a local copy that's kept up to date
02:29 mtompset Like I trust my copies to stay clean. :P
02:36 dcook Ah, that reminds me of something to try..
02:37 dcook Really need to try out NFS and sshfs sometime. If I move away from Windows completely, there might not be a point using Samba..
02:38 dcook Let's see if a Linux VM in Windows can read a Linux encrypted USB..
02:38 * dcook bets not..
02:40 eythian probably can
02:41 eythian assuming it gets to see it as a block device, anyway
02:42 mtompset I agree with eythian on this.
02:43 dcook Well, Windows can detect a drive, but wants to reformat it
02:43 dcook Maybe I don't have Virtualbox configured correctly but it's not showing up there
02:43 mtompset Oh, you have to have the add on installed.
02:43 mtompset (if I recall)
02:44 dcook I think I already have the addons installed
02:44 dcook Might just be a checkbox
02:44 dcook Ah, Extension Pack
02:47 dcook eythian: Rhapsody of Fire now appears in my Recently Listened to amongst music that most certianly is not similar at all, lol
02:47 eythian heh
02:47 eythian using google music?
02:47 dcook Grooveshark
02:47 wahanui Grooveshark is glitching out on that song, odd as it works for any other song.
02:48 dcook Rangi put me onto it ages ago and now I find it's part of the routine
02:49 eythian ah right. I find google music loves a bit too much to tell you what you've recently listened to, when I'd rather have more recommendations.
02:50 dcook Yeah, I think I'd prefer more recommendation, which I think is an option
02:50 dcook There's a few songs that I listen to regularly though that I'd like in the mix
02:53 eythian I do quite like the radio mode though. I've had a few people complement me on my selection when I just pick a track that everyone will like and say "more like this" :)
02:54 dcook This is Google music?
02:54 eythian yeah
02:54 eythian I have an All Access subscription, which give you everything.
02:54 dcook Hmm, I had a person recommending it last year. Perhaps I should give it a look.
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03:06 mtompset Hmm.... Why isn't my patron able to log in?!
03:07 eythian mtompset: Traceroute says that there is a routing problem in the backbone. It's not our problem.
03:07 mtompset no no... into koha locally silly.
03:07 mtompset I just did an add, and it doesn't log in.
03:08 eythian oh, then it's probably from a change in Earth's rotational speed
03:08 mtompset No owner passed in or defined.
03:08 mtompset Hmm....
03:10 wizzyrea staff or borrower?
03:10 mtompset staff.
03:10 wizzyrea permissions?
03:10 wahanui rumour has it permissions is most likely the problem
03:11 mtompset superlibrarian.
03:11 wahanui superlibrarian is one of the permissions
03:11 mtompset I also logged in as the system account, changed the password of an existing superlibrarian.
03:11 mtompset And I can't log in as them either.
03:11 wizzyrea version?
03:11 wahanui version is always noted in a comment on top
03:13 mtompset OH... wait a second... it triggered a branch select.
03:13 mtompset It didn't run the save?!
03:13 mtompset -- master
03:13 mtompset My unimarc VM.
03:16 mtompset still debarments bug in
03:17 mtompset nope that wasn't it.
03:19 mtompset What is C4::Tags?!
03:20 eythian it manages tags
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03:20 eythian it'd be nice if it actually said that somewhere though.
03:20 dcook No go on the encrypted drive
03:20 rangi perldoc C4/
03:20 rangi - Support for user tagging of biblios.
03:20 rangi like there?
03:22 eythian ah, I was looking in the code, and that comes after stuff. If you go to the bottom, nearly the first thing is
03:22 eythian =head3 TO DO: Add real perldoc
03:24 wizzyrea well I found out what was killing the koha-community server
03:24 eythian oh yeah?
03:24 pastebot "wizzyrea" at pasted "for 3 hours straight" (24 lines) at
03:25 wizzyrea now if we don't have a referer it drops those. hrmph.
03:26 rangi we should do a fail2ban rule for that
03:26 eythian yeah definitely.
03:26 wizzyrea ooh I bet someone has one of those.
03:26 eythian assuming that wordpress logs auth failures somewhere (it probably does.)
03:27 * dcook recalls a catalyst person telling him about fail2ban
03:27 dcook ibeardslee?
03:27 wahanui ibeardslee is probably closer to the merengues at BOC
03:28 wizzyrea mmm it doesn't really but it probably could - there seems to be a plugin.
03:28 ibeardslee dcook: I may have done
03:28 dcook I seem to recall fail2ban being able to block after 3 password attempts or some such?
03:28 * dcook really needs to look at it himself sometime..
03:29 rangi dcook: for ssh it does that out of the box
03:29 wizzyrea[…]ing-fail2ban.html good thoughts
03:29 rangi and for a bunch of other things
03:29 eythian yeah, it's quite good.
03:29 * wizzyrea will execute this post haste
03:29 ibeardslee yes .. I use it for ssh on my personal servers .. although I really should change that to keys only
03:29 dcook eythian / mtompset: Finally got that USB working
03:29 dcook rangi: Ah, right, of course.
03:29 dcook keys only :D
03:30 * dcook wonders how that would work with a VPS
03:30 dcook Is there a web-based terminal a person can use as if they were working with the physical machine?
03:30 dcook (Depending on the provider, I suppose)
03:31 eythian I don't understand the premise behind the question.
03:31 ibeardslee any machine, physical or virtual, you have ssh access to should be able to be setup for key only access
03:32 wizzyrea linode uses lish for that
03:32 dcook Right, I guess you'd have to use password access to get your key up first then
03:32 dcook wizzyrea: lish?
03:32 wizzyrea i'm guessing that stands for "linode shell"
03:33 dcook eythian: The premise being how do you get a key onto a server that has key only access if your key isn't already on it
03:33 wizzyrea anyway it's like a console connection
03:33 dcook console?
03:33 wahanui somebody said console was on the 'all' tab and there is nothing there
03:33 eythian dcook: when you set it up you have a password, then you put a key onto it and change the setting.
03:33 wizzyrea console being "what they call it when you're sitting in front of it"
03:33 dcook eythian: Right, I figure that was the only option unless there was another way of accessing the server.
03:34 eythian My VPS has console via VNC over HTML. It works surprisingly well.
03:34 dcook I suppose if your key is compromised and you're locked out, you're screwed anyway
03:34 wizzyrea ^^ is probably what lish is
03:34 dcook Mmm
03:34 dcook Ok, yeah, that's what I was thinking of
03:34 dcook https? Isn't VNC unencrypted?
03:35 * dcook says only barely having come near VNC so far
03:35 eythian yeah, it uses https
03:35 eythian but it's more that its rendered using HTML that's interesting.
03:38 dcook Quite. Now that I think about it, I guess the web-based console I used last time might've used something else than HTML...not sure really
03:38 eythian possibly a plugin
03:38 eythian java or some such
03:39 dcook Yeah, I wonder if I remember the name of the system..
03:39 rangi ajaxterm
03:39 wizzyrea ^
03:39 mtompset OH ..... bleep.
03:39 mtompset password varchar(30)
03:40 * dcook is pleased that the encrypted drive works on a Linux VM even though Windows thinks it's going nuts
03:40 mtompset but the bcrypt hash is longer than that!
03:40 mtompset no wonder I can'
03:40 mtompset t log in.
03:41 rangi you mustnt have upgraded the db
03:41 dcook rangi:
03:41 dcook 'twas Turnkey Linux
03:44 mtompset I did, but I think there may have been an overlapping version number between custom stuffs.
03:46 wizzyrea 2 a second, those jerks.
03:46 eythian mtompset: this is why a database should explode when you try to do things like put a big value into a small field, not truncate like mysql does.
03:47 wizzyrea eythian++ good idea fail2ban it's already got one ^.^
03:47 rangi eythian: we could turn strict on
03:47 rangi might be worth doing
03:47 eythian that's probably a good thing to try
03:47 dcook rangi: I think that'll cause problems in a few other areas
03:47 rangi good :)
03:47 eythian dcook: no, it'd expose problems
03:47 dcook hehe
03:47 dcook Good point
03:47 dcook Exposing problems = good
03:47 wizzyrea oh and rangi++ who initially suggested it
03:48 mtompset exposed problems = quickly fixed problems.
03:48 mtompset *whew* not affecting our live or QA systems. :)
03:58 eythian huh you can't actually edit the default framework any more.
03:59 eythian I didn't realise that, but it's a good idea.
04:00 eythian oh, it's just the name you can't change
04:00 eythian I always click the wrong link there
04:02 mtompset Editing frameworks in a pain.
04:03 mtompset ^in^is^
04:03 dcook eythian: Not being able to edit the default framework does sound like a rather good idea!
04:03 mtompset You'll note I specify the clicks to take in most of my test plans, because I don't want to assume people know what to click to do something. :)
04:04 dcook mtompset: Being explicit is the best :D
04:04 mtompset - assuming the default framework has EVERYTHING, then yes.
04:04 dcook In theory, it should.
04:04 dcook If not, there should probably be a better update mechanism than manually editing it
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04:27 mtompset Thanks for the sign off, eythian. :)
04:27 eythian no problem
04:27 mtompset eythian++ # thanks. :)
04:27 mtompset It's not perfect, but it is a vast improvement. :0
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04:30 Oak kia ora #koha
04:30 Oak hello mtompset :)
04:30 mtompset Greetings, Oak.
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05:10 mtompset With a unimarc sign off, I shall go to bed. :)
05:11 mtompset Have a great day, #koha Oak eythian dcook rangi wizzyrea.
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06:35 * cait waves
06:39 pablito hi cait!
06:39 pablito how are you?
06:39 cait hi pablito :)
06:39 cait righ tnow? tired :)
06:39 cait getting ready for work right now
06:39 pablito hehe
06:39 paxed @later tell oleonard yes, the "manage" shows up in the UI, as cait said - I don't know exactly how, as all I got was a screenshot of the page.
06:39 huginn paxed: The operation succeeded.
06:39 pablito the weekend is almost here
06:40 cait paxed: ah interesting!
06:40 cait we thought it was not possible to make it show up now, as th irregular pattern doesn't seem to work like before - i linked a bug report to yours
06:40 pablito cait: what time is it for you over there?
06:40 cait 7:40 am
06:41 pablito cool, I'm one hour ahead
06:41 cait paxed: the manage should only appear if your next predicted issue has no prediction date, which should be for irregular patterns, but it seems some date is always set there now (which is a separate bug)
06:41 cait pablito: are you awake yet? :)
06:41 pablito haha
06:42 cait :)
06:42 cait and how is thursday so far?
06:42 pablito cait: physically yes, mentalling...still booting up
06:42 pablito :-D
06:42 cait aaah yeah - feeling the same,might also take an hour...
06:42 pablito cait: thursday here is good, not too much work today
06:43 cait let's hope for the best here as well
06:43 cait at least no meetings today :)
06:43 pablito well, there is work but it can wait :-D
06:44 pablito although, I have a koha issue that's been bothering for a couple weeks
06:45 pablito I have enabled email overdue notices for koha
06:45 pablito using postfix
06:45 pablito but it only sent emails to only 5 people
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06:45 pablito i have like 70 overdues
06:46 pablito or about 20 people
06:46 paxed does updating biblioitems.marcxml update biblioitems.marc, and all the other necessary places (such as biblio.title, etc)?
06:49 rangi no
06:49 cait hey rangi
06:49 rangi hey cait
06:49 cait pablito: do they all have emai laddresses? in the same email field
06:49 pablito yes, they all do
06:49 cait all same branch?
06:50 cait are you using the -t option for overdues?
06:52 pablito hmm
06:52 pablito all same branch
06:53 pablito what is the -t option?
06:53 paxed rangi: hm. is there some example utility perl code that takes care of all of that?
06:54 cait pablito: if you run with -t it uses the triggers you set in tools
06:54 pablito this is in the cron job right?
06:54 cait pablito: the overdues script has a lot of different options
06:54 cait yeah
06:54 cait i have to admit, we have always used -t so i am not sure how the other options work
06:55 pablito yes, the cronjob uses the -t option
06:56 pablito here's my cron file:
06:56 pablito koha-foreach --enabled --email /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/ -t
06:58 cait hm ok
06:58 cait you must know that it will onyl send out on the exact dates
06:58 cait so if you set up a trigger with 1 2 3 it will send out notices 1 2 3 days after the item was due, but only on that date for those items
06:58 pablito ah
06:59 cait also you can check if your borrower categories all have overdue notice required set
06:59 cait and all categoreis have triggers defined
06:59 cait there is an -all/-a option i think, so you can list all overdue items in those notices, instead of only the matching ones
07:00 pablito about sending notices out on the exact date, so if a borrower is 30 days overdue and I only setup for triggers on the 1, 2, and 10, then this borrower will not get the notice?
07:09 wizzyrea silence
07:11 pablito cait: also, i just looked at the code of the script and there's no -all/-a option, just the -max days option
07:11 cait pablito: yes to the first
07:11 cait and quite sure about the second, but not sure how the option is called
07:12 cait try not the -v but looking at the full option list
07:12 cait it's several pages printed
07:13 pablito ah ok, the koha 3.14 doc indicates the -list-all option, but it is limited by the -max days setting
07:14 cait ah i think the -max might only be without the -t... but her eit gets confusing
07:15 pablito ok
07:15 cait this script does toomany things
07:27 cait have to run
07:27 cait bye all
07:27 cait @wunder Konstanz
07:27 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -3.5°C (8:25 AM CET on January 30, 2014). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady).
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07:38 wahanui what's up, reiveune
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07:42 reiveune salut marcelr
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08:16 cait good morning #koha
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08:29 gaetan_B hello
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08:44 marcelr hi cait gaetan_B
08:44 cait hi marcelr
08:45 gaetan_B hi marcelr, hi cait :)
08:46 cait hi gaetan_B :)
08:56 matts hi !
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09:06 cait hi matts :)
09:06 Oak hello cait
09:06 wahanui hello cait are you here?
09:07 cait hi oak :)
09:07 cait wahanui: forget hello cait
09:07 wahanui cait: I forgot hello cait
09:07 Oak :)
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10:37 drojf hi #koha
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10:45 drojf hi#koha
11:03 marcelr hi drojf
11:03 drojf hi marcelr
11:03 marcelr is julian around?
11:03 marcelr julian maurice
11:04 marcelr does anyone from biblibre know?
11:19 cait hi drojf
11:19 drojf hi cait :)
11:20 cait :)
11:37 gaetan_B marcelr: Julian is in a full week meeting
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12:45 fridolin hie all
12:50 francharb good morning #koha
13:01 cait gaetan_B:  a full week meeting sounds horrible
13:02 gaetan_B consider it a sort of hackfest ;)
13:03 marcelr thx gaetan_B i reached julian in the meantime via bugzilla mail
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13:19 oleonard Hi #koha
13:20 oleonard @wunder 45701
13:20 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in OHDOT 31-Athens County Garage, Athens, Ohio is -21.1°C (7:21 AM EST on January 30, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: -23.0°C. Windchill: -21.0°C. Pressure: 30.31 in 1026 hPa (Rising).
13:21 blou hot!
13:22 oleonard :P
13:25 cait @wunder Konstanz
13:25 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 0.2°C (2:15 PM CET on January 30, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady).
13:27 blou hot and humid!
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13:49 druthb @wunder 77098
13:49 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Greenway Plaza, Houston, Texas is 5.0°C (7:49 AM CST on January 30, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1020 hPa (Falling).
13:49 druthb balmy!
13:50 drojf druthb!
13:51 druthb drojf!
13:51 cait balmy?
13:51 cait drojf! druthb!
13:52 tcohen morning #koha
13:52 tcohen hi cait
13:52 drojf cait!
13:52 drojf tcohen!
13:52 drojf :D
13:52 druthb cait!  tcohen!
13:52 tcohen hi drojf
13:52 tcohen cait: is not a big deal
13:53 tcohen gmcharlt: is any decoding of UTF-8 needed when calling new_from_usmarc on zebra search results?
13:54 oleonard paxed around?
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13:58 paxed oleonard: yes?
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14:04 oleonard paxed: There are a few things you could do to get your patch for Bug 11631 moving along if you don't mind
14:04 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11631 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Make translation toolchain ignore useless translatable strings
14:06 oleonard 1. Assign the bug to yourself. 2. Revise the commit message so that it describes the problem and lists a test plan. 3. Set the bug to "Needs signoff"
14:12 paxed i'll see what i can do.
14:12 oleonard Thanks
14:13 cait is there a nice way to restore from a dump without having the complaint about the letter table?
14:16 druthb drop the letter table first, is what I usually do.
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14:16 cait druthb: i was trying to avoid that as i wanted to write a bash script... and i am not good at this yet :)
14:18 tcohen what do u want to do cait?
14:19 tcohen you can add a line like: mysql <option> -e "DROP TABLE letter"
14:19 tcohen in a shell script
14:19 cait aaah
14:19 druthb mysql -u<user> -p<pass> <db> -e"DROP TABLE letter"
14:19 cait that was what i was looking for!
14:19 cait thx!
14:19 cait tcohen++ druthb++
14:19 * druthb offers a high-five to tcohen
14:20 tcohen -e_space_"...
14:20 tcohen hey druthb, how are you doing
14:20 druthb good, good
14:20 tcohen will you come with cait to argentina? convince her
14:21 cait hm
14:21 druthb She's hard to convince.  Stubborn, in some ways.
14:21 cait foreign key constraint fails...
14:22 oleonard My wallet is very stubborn. I keep shaking it and nothing more comes out.
14:22 tcohen you'll have to update the letter then
14:22 tcohen hi oleonard
14:22 cait ?
14:23 tcohen instead of dropping it?
14:24 cait tcohen: i would like not to change the dump file
14:30 tcohen gmcharlt: around?
14:33 cait ok i sovled my problem :)
14:33 tcohen does anyone know how can i trigger an index search in the opac?
14:33 cait what do you want to do?
14:33 cait normally index:searchterm?
14:35 tcohen there's an big if ($scan) {} else {}
14:35 tcohen in the getRecords code
14:35 tcohen just wanted to test if something goes wrong with that path
14:36 tcohen (just in case the unit tests doesn't cover it)
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14:39 tcohen paul_p?
14:39 wahanui i heard paul_p was the 3.8 release manager, and is very tall, and does not like coffee.
14:39 cait ah
14:39 cait scans only work from staff
14:39 cait and not very well i think
14:40 tcohen cait++ # the problem i mentioned yesterday, was real
14:42 tcohen i.e. we can fix it now
14:44 cait tcohen: hm?
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14:51 tcohen index scan searches functional!
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15:22 drojf what are index scan searches?
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15:45 francharb any cataloger around here?
15:45 francharb I have a question about the 008 value builder plugin
15:46 francharb in marc21
15:46 cait oleonard: ?
15:46 oleonard ?
15:46 cait i am wondering aout 11588 - I think it would also be solved by translating the sample files
15:46 cait the first bit of it
15:47 oleonard sample files? For populating the database?
15:47 francharb is it normal that it doesnt keep track of the type of materials once you chose one and save it?
15:47 cait yeah i was wondering if those values are from the database or from the script (hardcoded)
15:48 oleonard cait: My thought is that even if the database has translated strings, it still doesn't work in a multi-language environment
15:48 oleonard Oh wait but if the database table doesn't have the English strings...
15:48 cait if the database has translated strings, it would fall through the switch
15:48 francharb I know the value is not saved but should/could koha keep track of it?
15:48 oleonard Ah well, never mind then...
15:48 cait if the values are from the database... i just recently translated it but i can't really remember - tired brain
15:49 cait and can't check right now :( so just ignore me i guess
15:52 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11439: (follow-up) adjust for change in list returned by OCLC XISBN <[…]1dab86ccc44e92e49>
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16:24 francharb Hi cait : do you have a minute?
16:25 francharb Does koha support double quote for exact search now?
16:25 francharb Because, I read this :[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7518
16:25 huginn Bug 7518: normal, P3, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , searches with quotation marks don't work
16:25 francharb which point to this[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9239
16:25 huginn Bug 9239: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, RESOLVED FIXED, Koha should share Evergreen's QueryParser module for parsing queries
16:26 francharb because jcamins said  in one of his comment : > CCL syntaxe for an exact match is 'exact' after the index ; it means phrase
16:26 francharb > structure and complete field.
16:26 francharb > The use of double quotes for exact match is a Google search engine behavior.
16:26 francharb > I can be very usefull, but maybe hard to manage in actual C4::Search.
16:26 francharb Very hard (read: impossible) if we want to keep using CCL2RPN. Fortunately, there's a better way! Bug 9239 introduces a new query parser that uses quotes for phrases.
16:26 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9239 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, RESOLVED FIXED, Koha should share Evergreen's QueryParser module for parsing queries
16:28 francharb so in the end, since, patches from 9239 has been pushed to master, what does it do? Does it support double quote for exact match?
16:28 cait there are some examples on the bug report for the new search syntax
16:30 francharb cait, in this bug report ?[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9239
16:30 huginn Bug 9239: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, RESOLVED FIXED, Koha should share Evergreen's QueryParser module for parsing queries
16:30 cait i know t's long
16:30 cait but i think there is some information int he commit messages and tet plans
16:35 francharb i'm reading it again more closely, comment 58 and so far, no examples... ahah
16:35 francharb :)
16:38 francharb cait, by examples, you mean the test plan? "OPAC
16:38 francharb Simple search
16:38 francharb - Keyword searches using boolean operators || and && - OK
16:38 francharb - Pubdate searches using pubdate() - OK"
16:38 francharb ?
16:39 cait yes those
16:39 cait pubdate(2013) is oneof the changes
16:39 cait you can search years and dates like that
16:43 francharb ok, maybe jcamins could confirm, but there is no support for exact search. I wonder what he meant when he said " Bug 9239 introduces a new query parser that uses quotes for phrases"
16:43 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9239 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, RESOLVED FIXED, Koha should share Evergreen's QueryParser module for parsing queries
16:44 francharb because so far, for a title, we still have to search ti,phr=<title> for exact search on the title.
16:44 francharb thanks cait !
16:46 cait francharb: hm maybe there is something i am not aware of
16:47 tcohen yay, patch attached!
16:47 francharb cait, thanks anyway!! ;)
16:52 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9823: (follow-up) improve POD for C4::Reserves::GetReservesFromBiblionumber <[…]2913b01b47e651f1f> / Bug 9823: QA follow-up for GetReservesFromBiblionumber calls <[…]2925695bb770d4314> / Bug 9823: Refactor return from GetReservesFromBiblionumber <http://g
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17:00 tcohen @later tell fridolin please take a look at 9579 for pushing it, as it targets the stable branches (i.e. galen wont be pushing it to master, I think)
17:00 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded.
17:22 gaetan_B bye !
17:31 reiveune bye
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17:32 pianohacker hi
17:33 rhcl hihi
17:35 pianohacker yo rhcl
17:35 rhcl whatup?
17:37 pianohacker programmin'
17:37 pianohacker wanting to harass people to test my patches
17:37 pianohacker you?
17:37 cait tcohen+
17:38 cait tcohen++ even
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17:46 rhcl I wonder if I could work for a stock brokerage firm? They use lots of Linux and OpenSource.
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18:12 tcohen ok, back to vacation-mode
18:12 tcohen bye #koha
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18:24 jcamins francharb: the following search is exact: ti:"uncle tom's religion"
18:24 jcamins francharb: the following search is not exact: ti:uncle tom's religion
18:24 jcamins Neither of those searches will bring up results in any catalog you are working with. ;)
18:25 francharb ahah
18:25 francharb because???
18:26 francharb koha doesnt work this way right$
18:26 francharb ?
18:26 francharb jcamins, ^
18:26 jcamins No, because this book is incredibly rare.
18:26 francharb ahah
18:26 cait heh
18:26 * cait waves
18:26 francharb ok, jcamins : does it work on 3.14?
18:27 francharb is there a specific set up?
18:27 jcamins francharb: it should work when you turn on UseQueryParser.
18:27 francharb let me check where I tested earlier!
18:27 jcamins You have to make sure that the QP configuration file is listed in your koha-conf.xml, though, or else Koha will fall back to using, nd life will be sad.
18:27 jcamins *and
18:28 francharb okkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
18:29 francharb jcamins, the syspref sounds so dramatric than I didn't test it
18:29 francharb DO NOT TRY to use the QueryParser module for parsing queries.
18:29 cait lol
18:30 jcamins lol
18:30 francharb jcamins, is the query parser production safe?
18:30 jcamins If you think that's dramatic, you should read my warnings on things that I consider unsafe.
18:30 jcamins Yeah, I use it in production.
18:31 francharb ahah, I will
18:31 cait francharb: it won't work together with opacsuppression tho
18:31 francharb and thats great!
18:31 francharb ok cait, thanks for the hint
18:31 francharb I'll talk to ebegin to test it with our libraries!
18:32 francharb thanks jcamins!!
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19:02 francharb cait, jcamins : do you know which other sysprefs wont work with QP?
19:04 cait francharb: i am not aware of others so far
19:05 jcamins Just opacsuppression to my knowledge.
19:05 jcamins And, of course, availability facets still don't work because the problem with availability facets is indexing not searching.
19:08 francharb thanks!
19:08 oleonard khall: I just submitted a patch for the problem in Bug 11645
19:08 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11645 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Cannot remove instructors from course whose card number begins with a 0
19:10 oleonard Bug 11534
19:10 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11534 major, P3, ---, koha-bugs, Signed Off , impossible to remove instructors on course reserve
19:10 khall heh, I guess I should've searched bugzilla first!
19:11 oleonard khall: See also Bug 11636, same issue.
19:11 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11636 normal, P3, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Impossible to remove patrons from patron list during add process
19:22 oleonard If we start to regularly compile minified CSS files we're going to get tired of git refusing to email patches with long lines
19:23 jcamins oleonard: I thought the RM was compiling the minified CSS?
19:23 oleonard No procedure in place yet as far as I know. gmcharlt?
19:24 gmcharlt not yet, correct
19:24 gmcharlt for the moment, though, I'm happy if pathes only touch the LESS files
19:24 oleonard What do we need to do to hash one out?
19:26 jcamins Cookie dough at twenty paces.
19:26 gmcharlt oleonard: do you have written down the steps you were using the manually minify them?
19:27 oleonard I'll write them up on the wiki
19:29 gmcharlt great; please ping me when they're there
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19:34 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
19:59 mtompset gmcharlt: I do not have any duplicate holidays. We only have ONE entered.
19:59 gmcharlt mtompset: busy, busy ;)
20:00 mtompset I suspect that functionality has not begun to be used fully yet. :)
20:03 cait gmcharlt: about your holidays... i can't eplicate it so far
20:03 cait but there is something seriously wrong with copying holidays it seems
20:07 mtompset gmcharlt:
20:08 gmcharlt heh
20:08 cait oooh i got a duplicate
20:08 gmcharlt cait++
20:09 cait i think copying could be part of the problem at least
20:09 mtompset can you replicate the duplication for others to duplicate it for themselves?
20:09 cait i am working on that bit
20:09 cait yep definitely from copying holidays around
20:10 cait i have a unique holiday and an exception for it, and when you copy that to the same branch repeatedly...
20:11 cait but also the copying of ranges is working in a weird way
20:13 cait hm now i can't make it repeatable. darn.
20:19 cait I have 328 duplicates ow, but still not sure on how to repeat
20:20 gmcharlt well, knowing that it has something to do with copying helps rather a lot
20:24 cait hm
20:25 cait add yearly repeatable holiday
20:25 cait add an exception for that
20:25 cait copy to another branch
20:30 cait gmcharlt: i commented on your blog post
20:30 oleonard gmcharlt: Here are the basics:[…]p_OPAC_LESS_files
20:31 gmcharlt oleonard: thanks!
20:31 cait oleonard++ :)
20:40 wizzyrea oleonard++ thanks for that
20:42 oleonard Sorry it took me so long!
20:42 wizzyrea it's alright :)
20:42 wizzyrea oh, oleonard, I submitted a patch to the guy who wrote the dead simple compiler
20:43 wizzyrea because the yui-compress thing seems to be deprecated? idk, anyway it wasn't working but there's another option, -x that compresses so I just changed the tool to use that.
20:43 wizzyrea is that wrong? will that not do the right thing?
20:43 wizzyrea i'm not familiar with the intricacies of minifying.
20:45 oleonard The LESS 1.5.0 release notes agree with you, although the --yui-compress replacement seems to be --clean-css
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20:48 wizzyrea ooo
20:48 tcohen uuu
20:48 pianohacker aaa
20:48 cait eee
20:49 druthb iii
20:49 oleonard Sometimes yyy!
20:49 * pianohacker shifts weight off druthb's foot
20:49 druthb thanx, pianohacker.
20:50 mtompset Come on... what about vowels in other languages? :P
20:51 oleonard You had your chance mtompset!
20:52 cait üüüü
20:52 mtompset True, but I don't know them.
20:52 mtompset cait++
20:56 pianohacker あああああああああああ
20:56 cait japanese a hiragana?
20:56 cait well done :)
20:59 wizzyrea you guys are funny. I like you.
21:00 cait :)
21:06 pianohacker wizzyrea++
21:06 pianohacker cait++
21:06 pianohacker pianohacker++
21:06 huginn pianohacker: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma.
21:06 druthb pianohacker++
21:06 pianohacker oh man wahanui sends you a privmsg if you try that!
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21:07 pianohacker thanks druthb
21:07 druthb welcome. :)
21:07 cait pianohacker: now you made me curious
21:07 jcamins jcamins++ # I must see this PM
21:07 huginn jcamins: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma.
21:07 oleonard pianohacker: Does it go on your permanent record?
21:07 pianohacker yup, and you have to go talk to the principal
21:07 wizzyrea now I want to see too!
21:08 wizzyrea wizzyrea++
21:08 huginn wizzyrea: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma.
21:08 wizzyrea kek
21:08 pianohacker no?
21:08 wahanui
21:08 oleonard Self-aggrandizement party!
21:08 rangi we should use more marc
21:08 wahanui http://02varvara.files.wordpre[…]no-bear.jpg?w=800
21:09 rangi still my fave
21:09 jcamins we should use more marc
21:09 wahanui http://02varvara.files.wordpre[…]no-bear.jpg?w=800
21:09 jcamins more marc?
21:09 jcamins wahanui: more marc is <reply> http://02varvara.files.wordpre[…]no-bear.jpg?w=800
21:09 wahanui OK, jcamins.
21:09 jcamins more marc?
21:09 wahanui http://02varvara.files.wordpre[…]no-bear.jpg?w=800
21:10 jcamins There, now I will be able to do it too.
21:10 cait cait++
21:10 huginn cait: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma.
21:10 cait ah, someone could have made the message more interesting
21:11 cait do we now get punished?
21:11 cait cait--
21:11 huginn cait: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma.
21:11 ibeardslee eg decreasing karma instead of increasing .. or resetting to 0
21:11 druthb druthb++
21:11 huginn druthb: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma.
21:11 druthb tsk
21:11 wizzyrea eythian++ for the great commit message on 10735
21:11 * druthb waves, and heads for the door
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21:13 oleonard Bye #koha
21:13 pianohacker bye
21:13 mtompset Bye, oleonard.
21:13 cait bye oleonard :)
21:14 pianohacker "self-aggrandizement is bad unless you're looking for a job"
21:16 wizzyrea cd /var/spool
21:16 wizzyrea well that won't work
21:16 rangi pianohacker: and even then, depends on cultural context
21:16 cait it's rangi!
21:16 pianohacker I bet
21:16 pianohacker Hi rangi!
21:17 rangi heyas
21:17 pianohacker feeling better?
21:20 rangi yup
21:20 rangi im gonna post a lin
21:20 rangi k
21:20 rangi now dont click if yuo dont want to see my leg
21:20 rangi </warning>
21:21 rangi its newest to oldest, each day, leftmost is today
21:21 cait it certainly looks better today
21:21 * cait is glad
21:23 eythian hi
21:23 wahanui privet, eythian
21:23 rhcl WOW
21:24 eythian I never expected rhcl to be so excited by my arrival
21:24 rhcl :)
21:24 mtompset Isn't everyone, eythian? ;)
21:24 * cait suspects rhcl looked at the leg
21:25 eythian wahanui: germs
21:25 wahanui i think germs is
21:25 eythian wahanui: germs
21:25 wahanui germs is
21:25 eythian wahanui: germs
21:25 wahanui Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.
21:25 cait :P
21:25 mtompset rangi: What is with the leg?!
21:26 eythian mtompset: sharks
21:26 mtompset I was thinking jellyfish babies.
21:26 rangi cellulitis most likely
21:26 mtompset :P
21:26 rhcl antibiotics?
21:26 rangi i wish id take a photo early on tuesday morning (the first pic)
21:27 rangi it was a tiny bit
21:27 rangi and by 2pm was like that
21:27 rangi yeah im on 800mg of erythromycin 4 times a day
21:27 rangi pretty much a nuclear strike worth of antibiotics
21:28 mtompset Ooo... the good stuff.
21:28 rhcl That's an old antibiotic, I'm surprised it's effective on anything
21:29 mtompset rangi: Zythromax. That's a nuclear strike. ;)
21:30 mtompset Zithromax.
21:30 eythian if you want a ten minute break, you should read this, it's very fun:[…]he-gelotologists/
21:30 rangi rhcl: im allergic to pencillin
21:31 rangi which is what you treat skin bacteria with normally
21:34 rhcl Is it just an appearance thing? Can you walk without difficulty?
21:35 rangi walking is ok
21:35 rangi standing still nope
21:35 rangi i couldnt walk at all on wednesday
21:35 wizzyrea sounds awful.
21:35 rangi basically, if you imagine someone spent 20 mins kicking you in the shin so its nice and bruised
21:36 rangi then you are fine, if you dont move
21:36 rangi but if you move, it was like someone squeezing the bruise
21:36 wizzyrea ow owie ow ow ow
21:36 pianohacker agh. stomach flipped
21:36 rangi its certainly way better
21:37 wizzyrea def looks less angry nwo
21:37 rangi and really glad i went to the dr when i did it was crazy how fast it spread
21:37 wizzyrea now*
21:37 rangi yeah its starting to lose the redness, and swelling is gone
21:37 rangi going to dr at 2pm to check im ok to fly on monday
21:38 wizzyrea have you been putting anything topical on it? like, sandwiching it between antibiotic :P
21:38 wizzyrea die tiny bugs!
21:39 cait hm i thought we had a way to give out the JSON for authenticated users...
21:39 cait talking reports
21:40 mtompset svc/reporet?
21:40 mtompset svc/report?
21:40 wahanui svc/report is not a nice perl file
21:40 * mtompset laughs.
21:40 mtompset Poor wahanui is probably right.
21:41 mtompset I believe you can pass user and password as parameters in the URL.
21:42 cait i found it
21:42 cait mtompset: i think there was a separate service
21:42 mtompset svc/login
21:52 mtompset cait: Are you saying you want a similar change for the staff client too?
21:52 cait yes
21:52 cait it's one feature on two side
21:52 cait s
21:52 mtompset And how do I test the staff one then?
21:52 cait i don't think it should drift apart in functionality
21:53 cait just use the staff url like in my example
21:53 pianohacker gmcharlt, cait: I have an idea related to bug 11144 that I'd like your input on. Thinking of making a single unified nightly cronjob that runs tasks in dependency order, where tasks can be turned on and off from the admin interface. Thoughts?
21:53 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11144 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Failed QA , Switch order of overdues and fines cronjob for packages and in crontab.example
21:53 cait pianohacker: i didn't find itme to get back to that yet, gmcharlt had suggested that putting a single line in for fines and overdues could work... but your idea sounds very nice :)
21:54 cait mtompset: it's really the same feature, if you are logged into the staff client, it will reveal the data, if not .. then you will not see anything
21:54 pianohacker cait: cool, thanks. Hammered it out with larryb, our sysadmin, yesterday, and hoping to get some technical feedback before I start poking at it
21:54 gmcharlt pianohacker: not opposed, as long as it doesn't turn into a rewrite of cron
21:55 wizzyrea erm, had anyone noticed that the datepicker on the memberentry page, the years don't seem to be scrollable backwards, example, I had to click 2004 then re-click the year dropdown to see years before 2004
21:55 cait mtompset: for me if not logged into staff, http://localhost:8080/cgi-bin/[…]a/svc/report?id=3 shows the login screen, if logged in the json results
21:55 pianohacker gmcharlt: Only nightlies, trust me, I don't want to go down that rabbit hole. process-message-queue and rebuild zebra will stay separate
21:55 mtompset okay.
21:55 wizzyrea (that's 3.14.1 I believe)
21:56 gmcharlt pianohacker: yep, +1 to a daily_circ_jobs (or something ilke that)
21:56 pianohacker sweet. besides improving JS translation, that's one of my two projects for the hackfest :)
21:57 cait pianohacker: can you fit in showing me a bit of rancor?
21:58 cait also the z39.50 search....
21:58 pianohacker oh hells yes. There should be patches on bugzilla for rancor and bug 10486 well before then
21:58 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10486 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Needs Signoff , Allow external Z39.50 targets to be searched from the OPAC
21:59 cait pianohacker: cool :) don't forget!
21:59 cait bag around?
22:00 eythian cait?
22:00 wahanui cait: go to bed
22:00 pianohacker cait: bag is out today
22:00 cait ah ok
22:00 cait just wanted to check if he got my pm
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22:11 pianohacker gmcharlt: Is a patch series necessary? There's about 50 lines of changes to Koha then about 9000 lines of JS (6000 in libraries). I could make one tiny and one huge patch, but that's about it.
22:11 pianohacker (for rancor)
22:11 gmcharlt pianohacker: I suggest
22:11 gmcharlt 1. Koha changes
22:11 gmcharlt 2. Libraries
22:12 gmcharlt 3. Rancor-the-JS
22:12 pianohacker Ah, okay, that's a good idea. Thanks
22:12 gmcharlt also, please double-check that the libraries are licensed compatibly with the GPL3
22:13 pianohacker So patch series don't necessarily have to be a complete set of working functionality at each step?
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22:13 gmcharlt depends on the nature of the changes
22:14 pianohacker And phew, Codemirror and Require.JS are both MIT. I would have shot somebody...
22:14 gmcharlt i.e., if you were to implement a new feature, and decided that some refactoring would ease it
22:14 gmcharlt the refactoring patches ideally would would be applicable as a separate unit
22:15 pianohacker Yeah, that's what I did for bug 8133, added bug 11211
22:15 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8133 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Failed QA , hourly loans doesn't know when library closed
22:15 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11211 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Needs Signoff , Move calculation code out of C4::Calendar
22:18 eythian
22:18 pianohacker Oh! I should use the Koha::Plugin system for the unified cronjobs!
22:18 * eythian still has reservations about the plugin system
22:18 * gmcharlt does too
22:19 pianohacker what in particular? I'm realizing that a lot of the metadata stuff I'll have to do will probably overlap
22:20 eythian the plugins come in zip files, which don't store file permissions. This saves it from making it easy for a staff user to execute arbitrary code on your server.
22:20 eythian But I think it only saves it by accident.
22:20 gmcharlt there is zero reason for propose core functionality, like a circ job runner, to be dependent on a mechanism that exists to allow injection of non-core code
22:21 pianohacker hmm, okay. Was hoping to make it easy to add cronjobs, but not if the plugin system is in question
22:21 eythian well, if it's a core thing, then there's no point using the plugin system anyway, that just means it won't work if you don't have the plugin, which would be a pain.
22:22 pianohacker I might try to copy parts of the metadata system (and possibly factor them out) then
22:23 eythian I do want to see if I can twist it such that plugins can be dropped in as .deb files though.
22:24 eythian so you install the .deb, and it becomes a plugin available to everyone.
22:25 pianohacker that would be nice
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22:29 mtompset cait: Okay. 11491 has those tweaks for both OPAC and staff reports.
22:29 cait thx!
22:30 mtompset I even tweaked the code to be much, much closer diff wise.
22:30 mtompset OPAC still only runs public reports.
22:30 mtompset Staff... well, you get the log in screen to authenticate.
22:32 rangi i have a counter patch to those
22:32 rangi my $lines     = $sth->fetchall_arrayref({});
22:32 rangi $json_text = to_json($lines);
22:33 rangi return an array of hashes
22:33 rangi much easier to handle in js
22:33 cait mtompset: sounds like it should be
22:34 rangi http://nzicatest.koha.catalyst[…]rams=IP2014-01-NZ
22:34 rangi output like this
22:34 rangi which i think is much better than returning an array, the first element of which is the names
22:35 rangi plus its a few char change
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22:37 mtompset Hmm.... okay... I just didn't want to bust anything people may already have in place using the format that is in place already.
22:38 mtompset I agree the array of hashes is better, but what people have implemented out there already using the plain array is unknown.
22:38 pianohacker both might be nice, imo. ?annotated=1 for rangi's format and ?header=1 for mtompset's? the latter could be much more compact for large datasets
22:38 cait like a verbose option for the json? :)
22:39 mtompset pianohacker: the OPAC limits the rows to 10.
22:39 cait this is a pref
22:39 mtompset there are no large datasets.
22:39 cait you can change it anytime
22:39 rangi arrays are kinda suck to deal with in js
22:40 mtompset Okay... so should I attempt pianohacker's suggestion then?
22:40 pianohacker Praise be upon ecma harmony, but we won't get to use that for a while
22:40 rangi jquery will convert the hashed output into a nice array of objects
22:40 rangi which are much nicer to deal with
22:40 pianohacker If large datasets aren't a concern, I'd say rangi's way
22:40 cait SvcMaxReportRows
22:40 cait just for documentation
22:40 mtompset True, cait.
22:42 mtompset So, what's the preference for bug 11491? as is, rangi's counter proposal, or pianohacker's suggestion?
22:42 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11491 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, In Discussion , Extending report service to have header
22:42 pianohacker rangi's way is my vote; people will have to intentionally choose this new format anyway
22:43 cait i think i like rangi's - but making it optional would be good for backwards compatibility
22:43 mtompset it is optional... you may or maynot include the parameter (currently using "header")
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22:46 mtompset Should I ask the Koha list?
22:47 mtompset See if anyone has actually implemented anything using the report service?
22:47 rangi we have
22:47 rangi using hashes
22:47 pianohacker nah. They'll have to choose the new format, and it would be easier to use than the old one
22:47 rangi what he said
22:48 * cait nods
22:48 mtompset Okay... more work for me (I had implemented arrays), but whatever. :)
22:49 mtompset Perhaps we could throw in a title? ;)
22:49 pianohacker community feedback often causes a lot more additional work but results in a better end result
22:50 cait pianohacker++ :)
22:50 mtompset unless you are VHS. ;)
22:50 pianohacker I don't like fixing my patches to make them fit coding guidelines or be translatable, but I know it's a good thing to do...
22:50 cait soso...
22:50 cait you don't like fixing for translatability and coding guidelines?
22:50 * cait takes note of that
22:50 cait :P
22:51 pianohacker it's the steamed veggies part of coding; not fun, but important and healthy :)
22:51 cait hm that expalins things... i like vegetables
22:51 pianohacker hahahahaha
22:52 eythian cait: reminds me, how's your sour kraut? :)
22:53 cait hm haven't heard it in a while
22:53 pianohacker ... heard it?
22:53 cait but winter time... windows closed
22:53 cait might be back in spring/summer
22:53 eythian ah yeah, that'll do it
22:54 eythian is having problems?
22:54 eythian fetching from it seems to be taking a long time doing nothing.
22:55 pianohacker eythian: I'm having the same problem
22:55 eythian I think it's down.
22:55 eythian gmcharlt: is that your baby, I forget.
22:56 gmcharlt eythian: I've been trying to SSHing, no dice
22:56 gmcharlt pianohacker: could you get one of your colleagues to look at the VM?
22:56 pianohacker gmcharlt: sure
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23:03 larryb hey all. the server appears to have been swapping heavily. I've issued a reboot and it should be back online shortly
23:04 pianohacker gmcharlt, eythian: ^
23:04 wizzyrea thanks larryb
23:04 eythian chur
23:04 wizzyrea larryb++
23:04 gmcharlt thanks larryb
23:05 larryb okay, it's back up now
23:05 pianohacker confirmed, just did a fetch
23:05 larryb me too :)
23:05 eythian yeah, that looks better
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