Time Nick Message
23:05 eythian yeah, that looks better
23:05 larryb me too :)
23:05 pianohacker confirmed, just did a fetch
23:05 larryb okay, it's back up now
23:04 gmcharlt thanks larryb
23:04 wizzyrea larryb++
23:04 eythian chur
23:04 wizzyrea thanks larryb
23:04 pianohacker gmcharlt, eythian: ^
23:03 larryb hey all. the git.koha-community.org server appears to have been swapping heavily. I've issued a reboot and it should be back online shortly
22:56 pianohacker gmcharlt: sure
22:56 gmcharlt pianohacker: could you get one of your colleagues to look at the VM?
22:56 gmcharlt eythian: I've been trying to SSHing, no dice
22:55 eythian gmcharlt: is that your baby, I forget.
22:55 eythian I think it's down.
22:55 pianohacker eythian: I'm having the same problem
22:54 eythian fetching from it seems to be taking a long time doing nothing.
22:54 eythian is git.k-c.org having problems?
22:53 eythian ah yeah, that'll do it
22:53 cait might be back in spring/summer
22:53 cait but winter time... windows closed
22:53 pianohacker ... heard it?
22:53 cait hm haven't heard it in a while
22:52 eythian cait: reminds me, how's your sour kraut? :)
22:51 pianohacker hahahahaha
22:51 cait hm that expalins things... i like vegetables
22:51 pianohacker it's the steamed veggies part of coding; not fun, but important and healthy :)
22:50 cait :P
22:50 * cait takes note of that
22:50 cait you don't like fixing for translatability and coding guidelines?
22:50 cait soso...
22:50 pianohacker I don't like fixing my patches to make them fit coding guidelines or be translatable, but I know it's a good thing to do...
22:50 mtompset unless you are VHS. ;)
22:50 cait pianohacker++ :)
22:49 pianohacker community feedback often causes a lot more additional work but results in a better end result
22:49 mtompset Perhaps we could throw in a title? ;)
22:48 mtompset Okay... more work for me (I had implemented arrays), but whatever. :)
22:48 * cait nods
22:47 rangi what he said
22:47 pianohacker nah. They'll have to choose the new format, and it would be easier to use than the old one
22:47 rangi using hashes
22:47 rangi we have
22:47 mtompset See if anyone has actually implemented anything using the report service?
22:46 mtompset Should I ask the Koha list?
22:43 mtompset it is optional... you may or maynot include the parameter (currently using "header")
22:43 cait i think i like rangi's - but making it optional would be good for backwards compatibility
22:42 pianohacker rangi's way is my vote; people will have to intentionally choose this new format anyway
22:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11491 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, In Discussion , Extending report service to have header
22:42 mtompset So, what's the preference for bug 11491? as is, rangi's counter proposal, or pianohacker's suggestion?
22:40 mtompset True, cait.
22:40 cait just for documentation
22:40 cait SvcMaxReportRows
22:40 pianohacker If large datasets aren't a concern, I'd say rangi's way
22:40 rangi which are much nicer to deal with
22:40 rangi jquery will convert the hashed output into a nice array of objects
22:40 pianohacker Praise be upon ecma harmony, but we won't get to use that for a while
22:40 mtompset Okay... so should I attempt pianohacker's suggestion then?
22:39 rangi arrays are kinda suck to deal with in js
22:39 cait you can change it anytime
22:39 mtompset there are no large datasets.
22:39 cait this is a pref
22:39 mtompset pianohacker: the OPAC limits the rows to 10.
22:38 cait like a verbose option for the json? :)
22:38 pianohacker both might be nice, imo. ?annotated=1 for rangi's format and ?header=1 for mtompset's? the latter could be much more compact for large datasets
22:38 mtompset I agree the array of hashes is better, but what people have implemented out there already using the plain array is unknown.
22:37 mtompset Hmm.... okay... I just didn't want to bust anything people may already have in place using the format that is in place already.
22:35 rangi plus its a few char change
22:34 rangi which i think is much better than returning an array, the first element of which is the names
22:34 rangi output like this
22:34 rangi http://nzicatest.koha.catalystdemo.net.nz/cgi-bin/koha/svc/report?id=98&sql_params=IP2014-01-NZ
22:33 cait mtompset: sounds like it should be
22:33 rangi much easier to handle in js
22:33 rangi return an array of hashes
22:32 rangi $json_text = to_json($lines);
22:32 rangi my $lines = $sth->fetchall_arrayref({});
22:32 rangi i have a counter patch to those
22:30 mtompset Staff... well, you get the log in screen to authenticate.
22:30 mtompset OPAC still only runs public reports.
22:30 mtompset I even tweaked the code to be much, much closer diff wise.
22:29 cait thx!
22:29 mtompset cait: Okay. 11491 has those tweaks for both OPAC and staff reports.
22:25 pianohacker that would be nice
22:24 eythian so you install the .deb, and it becomes a plugin available to everyone.
22:23 eythian I do want to see if I can twist it such that plugins can be dropped in as .deb files though.
22:22 pianohacker I might try to copy parts of the metadata system (and possibly factor them out) then
22:21 eythian well, if it's a core thing, then there's no point using the plugin system anyway, that just means it won't work if you don't have the plugin, which would be a pain.
22:21 pianohacker hmm, okay. Was hoping to make it easy to add cronjobs, but not if the plugin system is in question
22:20 gmcharlt there is zero reason for propose core functionality, like a circ job runner, to be dependent on a mechanism that exists to allow injection of non-core code
22:20 eythian But I think it only saves it by accident.
22:20 eythian the plugins come in zip files, which don't store file permissions. This saves it from making it easy for a staff user to execute arbitrary code on your server.
22:19 pianohacker what in particular? I'm realizing that a lot of the metadata stuff I'll have to do will probably overlap
22:18 * gmcharlt does too
22:18 * eythian still has reservations about the plugin system
22:18 pianohacker Oh! I should use the Koha::Plugin system for the unified cronjobs!
22:18 eythian https://twitter.com/iamdevloper
22:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11211 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Needs Signoff , Move calculation code out of C4::Calendar
22:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8133 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Failed QA , hourly loans doesn't know when library closed
22:15 pianohacker Yeah, that's what I did for bug 8133, added bug 11211
22:14 gmcharlt the refactoring patches ideally would would be applicable as a separate unit
22:14 gmcharlt i.e., if you were to implement a new feature, and decided that some refactoring would ease it
22:14 pianohacker And phew, Codemirror and Require.JS are both MIT. I would have shot somebody...
22:13 gmcharlt depends on the nature of the changes
22:13 pianohacker So patch series don't necessarily have to be a complete set of working functionality at each step?
22:12 gmcharlt also, please double-check that the libraries are licensed compatibly with the GPL3
22:12 pianohacker Ah, okay, that's a good idea. Thanks
22:12 gmcharlt 3. Rancor-the-JS
22:11 gmcharlt 2. Libraries
22:11 gmcharlt 1. Koha changes
22:11 gmcharlt pianohacker: I suggest
22:11 pianohacker (for rancor)
22:11 pianohacker gmcharlt: Is a patch series necessary? There's about 50 lines of changes to Koha then about 9000 lines of JS (6000 in libraries). I could make one tiny and one huge patch, but that's about it.
22:00 cait just wanted to check if he got my pm
22:00 cait ah ok
22:00 pianohacker cait: bag is out today
22:00 wahanui cait: go to bed
22:00 eythian cait?
21:59 cait bag around?
21:59 cait pianohacker: cool :) don't forget!
21:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10486 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Needs Signoff , Allow external Z39.50 targets to be searched from the OPAC
21:58 pianohacker oh hells yes. There should be patches on bugzilla for rancor and bug 10486 well before then
21:58 cait also the z39.50 search....
21:57 cait pianohacker: can you fit in showing me a bit of rancor?
21:56 pianohacker sweet. besides improving JS translation, that's one of my two projects for the hackfest :)
21:56 gmcharlt pianohacker: yep, +1 to a daily_circ_jobs (or something ilke that)
21:55 wizzyrea (that's 3.14.1 I believe)
21:55 mtompset okay.
21:55 pianohacker gmcharlt: Only nightlies, trust me, I don't want to go down that rabbit hole. process-message-queue and rebuild zebra will stay separate
21:55 cait mtompset: for me if not logged into staff, http://localhost:8080/cgi-bin/koha/svc/report?id=3 shows the login screen, if logged in the json results
21:55 wizzyrea erm, had anyone noticed that the datepicker on the memberentry page, the years don't seem to be scrollable backwards, example, I had to click 2004 then re-click the year dropdown to see years before 2004
21:54 gmcharlt pianohacker: not opposed, as long as it doesn't turn into a rewrite of cron
21:54 pianohacker cait: cool, thanks. Hammered it out with larryb, our sysadmin, yesterday, and hoping to get some technical feedback before I start poking at it
21:54 cait mtompset: it's really the same feature, if you are logged into the staff client, it will reveal the data, if not .. then you will not see anything
21:53 cait pianohacker: i didn't find itme to get back to that yet, gmcharlt had suggested that putting a single line in for fines and overdues could work... but your idea sounds very nice :)
21:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11144 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Failed QA , Switch order of overdues and fines cronjob for packages and in crontab.example
21:53 pianohacker gmcharlt, cait: I have an idea related to bug 11144 that I'd like your input on. Thinking of making a single unified nightly cronjob that runs tasks in dependency order, where tasks can be turned on and off from the admin interface. Thoughts?
21:53 cait just use the staff url like in my example
21:52 cait i don't think it should drift apart in functionality
21:52 mtompset And how do I test the staff one then?
21:52 cait s
21:52 cait it's one feature on two side
21:52 cait yes
21:52 mtompset cait: Are you saying you want a similar change for the staff client too?
21:42 mtompset svc/login
21:42 cait mtompset: i think there was a separate service
21:42 cait i found it
21:41 mtompset I believe you can pass user and password as parameters in the URL.
21:40 mtompset Poor wahanui is probably right.
21:40 * mtompset laughs.
21:40 wahanui svc/report is not a nice perl file
21:40 mtompset svc/report?
21:40 mtompset svc/reporet?
21:39 cait talking reports
21:39 cait hm i thought we had a way to give out the JSON for authenticated users...
21:38 wizzyrea die tiny bugs!
21:38 wizzyrea have you been putting anything topical on it? like, sandwiching it between antibiotic :P
21:37 rangi going to dr at 2pm to check im ok to fly on monday
21:37 rangi yeah its starting to lose the redness, and swelling is gone
21:37 wizzyrea now*
21:37 rangi and really glad i went to the dr when i did it was crazy how fast it spread
21:37 wizzyrea def looks less angry nwo
21:36 rangi its certainly way better
21:36 pianohacker agh. stomach flipped
21:36 wizzyrea ow owie ow ow ow
21:36 rangi but if you move, it was like someone squeezing the bruise
21:36 rangi then you are fine, if you dont move
21:35 rangi basically, if you imagine someone spent 20 mins kicking you in the shin so its nice and bruised
21:35 wizzyrea sounds awful.
21:35 rangi i couldnt walk at all on wednesday
21:35 rangi standing still nope
21:35 rangi walking is ok
21:34 rhcl Is it just an appearance thing? Can you walk without difficulty?
21:31 rangi which is what you treat skin bacteria with normally
21:30 rangi rhcl: im allergic to pencillin
21:30 eythian if you want a ten minute break, you should read this, it's very fun: http://www.damninteresting.com/humoring-the-gelotologists/
21:30 mtompset Zithromax.
21:29 mtompset rangi: Zythromax. That's a nuclear strike. ;)
21:28 rhcl That's an old antibiotic, I'm surprised it's effective on anything
21:28 mtompset Ooo... the good stuff.
21:27 rangi pretty much a nuclear strike worth of antibiotics
21:27 rangi yeah im on 800mg of erythromycin 4 times a day
21:27 rangi and by 2pm was like that
21:27 rangi it was a tiny bit
21:26 rangi i wish id take a photo early on tuesday morning (the first pic)
21:26 rhcl antibiotics?
21:26 mtompset :P
21:26 rangi cellulitis most likely
21:26 mtompset I was thinking jellyfish babies.
21:26 eythian mtompset: sharks
21:25 mtompset rangi: What is with the leg?!
21:25 cait :P
21:25 wahanui Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.
21:25 eythian wahanui: germs
21:25 wahanui germs is http://i.imgur.com/5UfhT.jpg
21:25 eythian wahanui: germs
21:25 wahanui i think germs is http://i.imgur.com/5UfhT.jpg
21:25 eythian wahanui: germs
21:24 * cait suspects rhcl looked at the leg
21:24 mtompset Isn't everyone, eythian? ;)
21:24 rhcl :)
21:24 eythian I never expected rhcl to be so excited by my arrival
21:23 rhcl WOW
21:23 wahanui privet, eythian
21:23 eythian hi
21:21 * cait is glad
21:21 cait it certainly looks better today
21:21 rangi its newest to oldest, each day, leftmost is today
21:20 rangi [off] https://secure.flickr.com/photos/ranginui/
21:20 rangi </warning>
21:20 rangi now dont click if yuo dont want to see my leg
21:20 rangi k
21:20 rangi im gonna post a lin
21:20 rangi yup
21:17 pianohacker feeling better?
21:17 rangi heyas
21:16 pianohacker Hi rangi!
21:16 pianohacker I bet
21:16 cait it's rangi!
21:16 rangi pianohacker: and even then, depends on cultural context
21:16 wizzyrea well that won't work
21:16 wizzyrea cd /var/spool
21:14 pianohacker "self-aggrandizement is bad unless you're looking for a job"
21:13 cait bye oleonard :)
21:13 mtompset Bye, oleonard.
21:13 pianohacker bye
21:13 oleonard Bye #koha
21:11 * druthb waves, and heads for the door
21:11 wizzyrea eythian++ for the great commit message on 10735
21:11 druthb tsk
21:11 huginn druthb: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma.
21:11 druthb druthb++
21:11 ibeardslee eg decreasing karma instead of increasing .. or resetting to 0
21:11 huginn cait: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma.
21:11 cait cait--
21:11 cait do we now get punished?
21:10 cait ah, someone could have made the message more interesting
21:10 huginn cait: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma.
21:10 cait cait++
21:10 jcamins There, now I will be able to do it too.
21:09 wahanui http://02varvara.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/01-how-about-no-bear.jpg?w=800
21:09 jcamins more marc?
21:09 wahanui OK, jcamins.
21:09 jcamins wahanui: more marc is <reply> http://02varvara.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/01-how-about-no-bear.jpg?w=800
21:09 jcamins more marc?
21:09 wahanui http://02varvara.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/01-how-about-no-bear.jpg?w=800
21:09 jcamins we should use more marc
21:09 rangi still my fave
21:08 wahanui http://02varvara.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/01-how-about-no-bear.jpg?w=800
21:08 rangi we should use more marc
21:08 oleonard Self-aggrandizement party!
21:08 wahanui http://i.imgur.com/hVVuP.jpg
21:08 pianohacker no?
21:08 wizzyrea kek
21:08 huginn wizzyrea: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma.
21:08 wizzyrea wizzyrea++
21:07 wizzyrea now I want to see too!
21:07 pianohacker yup, and you have to go talk to the principal
21:07 oleonard pianohacker: Does it go on your permanent record?
21:07 huginn jcamins: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma.
21:07 jcamins jcamins++ # I must see this PM
21:07 cait pianohacker: now you made me curious
21:07 druthb welcome. :)
21:07 pianohacker thanks druthb
21:06 pianohacker oh man wahanui sends you a privmsg if you try that!
21:06 druthb pianohacker++
21:06 huginn pianohacker: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma.
21:06 pianohacker pianohacker++
21:06 pianohacker cait++
21:06 pianohacker wizzyrea++
21:00 cait :)
20:59 wizzyrea you guys are funny. I like you.
20:56 cait well done :)
20:56 cait japanese a hiragana?
20:56 pianohacker ã‚ã‚ã‚ã‚ã‚ã‚ã‚ã‚ã‚ã‚ã‚
20:52 mtompset cait++
20:52 mtompset True, but I don't know them.
20:52 cait üüüü
20:51 oleonard You had your chance mtompset!
20:50 mtompset Come on... what about vowels in other languages? :P
20:49 druthb thanx, pianohacker.
20:49 * pianohacker shifts weight off druthb's foot
20:49 oleonard Sometimes yyy!
20:49 druthb iii
20:48 cait eee
20:48 pianohacker aaa
20:48 tcohen uuu
20:48 wizzyrea ooo
20:45 oleonard The LESS 1.5.0 release notes agree with you, although the --yui-compress replacement seems to be --clean-css
20:43 wizzyrea i'm not familiar with the intricacies of minifying.
20:43 wizzyrea is that wrong? will that not do the right thing?
20:43 wizzyrea because the yui-compress thing seems to be deprecated? idk, anyway it wasn't working but there's another option, -x that compresses so I just changed the tool to use that.
20:42 wizzyrea oh, oleonard, I submitted a patch to the guy who wrote the dead simple compiler
20:42 wizzyrea it's alright :)
20:42 oleonard Sorry it took me so long!
20:40 wizzyrea oleonard++ thanks for that
20:31 cait oleonard++ :)
20:31 gmcharlt oleonard: thanks!
20:30 oleonard gmcharlt: Here are the basics: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Working_with_Bootstrap_OPAC_LESS_files
20:30 cait gmcharlt: i commented on your blog post
20:25 cait copy to another branch
20:25 cait add an exception for that
20:25 cait add yearly repeatable holiday
20:24 cait hm
20:20 gmcharlt well, knowing that it has something to do with copying helps rather a lot
20:19 cait I have 328 duplicates ow, but still not sure on how to repeat
20:13 cait hm now i can't make it repeatable. darn.
20:11 cait but also the copying of ranges is working in a weird way
20:10 cait i have a unique holiday and an exception for it, and when you copy that to the same branch repeatedly...
20:09 cait yep definitely from copying holidays around
20:09 cait i am working on that bit
20:09 mtompset can you replicate the duplication for others to duplicate it for themselves?
20:09 cait i think copying could be part of the problem at least
20:08 gmcharlt cait++
20:08 cait oooh i got a duplicate
20:08 gmcharlt heh
20:07 mtompset gmcharlt: http://dusa.de/images/CatbertWin95BWD.jpg
20:03 cait but there is something seriously wrong with copying holidays it seems
20:03 cait gmcharlt: about your holidays... i can't eplicate it so far
20:00 mtompset I suspect that functionality has not begun to be used fully yet. :)
19:59 gmcharlt mtompset: busy, busy ;)
19:59 mtompset gmcharlt: I do not have any duplicate holidays. We only have ONE entered.
19:34 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
19:29 gmcharlt great; please ping me when they're there
19:27 oleonard I'll write them up on the wiki
19:26 gmcharlt oleonard: do you have written down the steps you were using the manually minify them?
19:26 jcamins Cookie dough at twenty paces.
19:24 oleonard What do we need to do to hash one out?
19:24 gmcharlt for the moment, though, I'm happy if pathes only touch the LESS files
19:24 gmcharlt not yet, correct
19:23 oleonard No procedure in place yet as far as I know. gmcharlt?
19:23 jcamins oleonard: I thought the RM was compiling the minified CSS?
19:22 oleonard If we start to regularly compile minified CSS files we're going to get tired of git refusing to email patches with long lines
19:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11636 normal, P3, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Impossible to remove patrons from patron list during add process
19:11 oleonard khall: See also Bug 11636, same issue.
19:10 khall heh, I guess I should've searched bugzilla first!
19:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11534 major, P3, ---, koha-bugs, Signed Off , impossible to remove instructors on course reserve
19:10 oleonard Bug 11534
19:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11645 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Cannot remove instructors from course whose card number begins with a 0
19:08 oleonard khall: I just submitted a patch for the problem in Bug 11645
19:08 francharb thanks!
19:05 jcamins And, of course, availability facets still don't work because the problem with availability facets is indexing not searching.
19:05 jcamins Just opacsuppression to my knowledge.
19:04 cait francharb: i am not aware of others so far
19:02 francharb cait, jcamins : do you know which other sysprefs wont work with QP?
18:32 francharb thanks jcamins!!
18:31 francharb I'll talk to ebegin to test it with our libraries!
18:31 francharb ok cait, thanks for the hint
18:31 francharb and thats great!
18:31 cait francharb: it won't work together with opacsuppression tho
18:31 francharb ahah, I will
18:30 jcamins Yeah, I use it in production.
18:30 jcamins If you think that's dramatic, you should read my warnings on things that I consider unsafe.
18:30 francharb jcamins, is the query parser production safe?
18:30 jcamins lol
18:29 cait lol
18:29 francharb DO NOT TRY to use the QueryParser module for parsing queries.
18:29 francharb jcamins, the syspref sounds so dramatric than I didn't test it
18:28 francharb okkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
18:27 jcamins *and
18:27 jcamins You have to make sure that the QP configuration file is listed in your koha-conf.xml, though, or else Koha will fall back to using Search.pm, nd life will be sad.
18:27 francharb let me check where I tested earlier!
18:27 jcamins francharb: it should work when you turn on UseQueryParser.
18:27 francharb is there a specific set up?
18:26 francharb ok, jcamins : does it work on 3.14?
18:26 * cait waves
18:26 cait heh
18:26 francharb ahah
18:26 jcamins No, because this book is incredibly rare.
18:26 francharb jcamins, ^
18:26 francharb ?
18:26 francharb koha doesnt work this way right$
18:25 francharb because???
18:25 francharb ahah
18:24 jcamins Neither of those searches will bring up results in any catalog you are working with. ;)
18:24 jcamins francharb: the following search is not exact: ti:uncle tom's religion
18:24 jcamins francharb: the following search is exact: ti:"uncle tom's religion"
18:12 tcohen bye #koha
18:12 tcohen ok, back to vacation-mode
17:46 rhcl I wonder if I could work for a stock brokerage firm? They use lots of Linux and OpenSource.
17:38 cait tcohen++ even
17:37 cait tcohen+
17:37 pianohacker you?
17:37 pianohacker wanting to harass people to test my patches
17:37 pianohacker programmin'
17:35 rhcl whatup?
17:35 pianohacker yo rhcl
17:33 rhcl hihi
17:32 pianohacker hi
17:31 reiveune bye
17:22 gaetan_B bye !
17:00 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded.
17:00 tcohen @later tell fridolin please take a look at 9579 for pushing it, as it targets the stable branches (i.e. galen wont be pushing it to master, I think)
16:52 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9823: (follow-up) improve POD for C4::Reserves::GetReservesFromBiblionumber <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7b58255028da6a9cc4652b32913b01b47e651f1f> / Bug 9823: QA follow-up for GetReservesFromBiblionumber calls <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e536fd087d540065d2ccbe12925695bb770d4314> / Bug 9823: Refactor return from GetReservesFromBiblionumber <http://g
16:47 francharb cait, thanks anyway!! ;)
16:47 tcohen yay, patch attached!
16:46 cait francharb: hm maybe there is something i am not aware of
16:44 francharb thanks cait !
16:44 francharb because so far, for a title, we still have to search ti,phr=<title> for exact search on the title.
16:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9239 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, RESOLVED FIXED, Koha should share Evergreen's QueryParser module for parsing queries
16:43 francharb ok, maybe jcamins could confirm, but there is no support for exact search. I wonder what he meant when he said " Bug 9239 introduces a new query parser that uses quotes for phrases"
16:39 cait you can search years and dates like that
16:39 cait pubdate(2013) is oneof the changes
16:39 cait yes those
16:38 francharb ?
16:38 francharb - Pubdate searches using pubdate() - OK"
16:38 francharb - Keyword searches using boolean operators || and && - OK
16:38 francharb Simple search
16:38 francharb cait, by examples, you mean the test plan? "OPAC
16:35 francharb :)
16:35 francharb i'm reading it again more closely, comment 58 and so far, no examples... ahah
16:30 cait but i think there is some information int he commit messages and tet plans
16:30 cait i know t's long
16:30 huginn 04Bug 9239: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, RESOLVED FIXED, Koha should share Evergreen's QueryParser module for parsing queries
16:30 francharb cait, in this bug report ? http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9239
16:28 cait there are some examples on the bug report for the new search syntax
16:28 francharb so in the end, since, patches from 9239 has been pushed to master, what does it do? Does it support double quote for exact match?
16:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9239 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, RESOLVED FIXED, Koha should share Evergreen's QueryParser module for parsing queries
16:26 francharb Very hard (read: impossible) if we want to keep using CCL2RPN. Fortunately, there's a better way! Bug 9239 introduces a new query parser that uses quotes for phrases.
16:26 francharb > I can be very usefull, but maybe hard to manage in actual C4::Search.
16:26 francharb > The use of double quotes for exact match is a Google search engine behavior.
16:26 francharb > structure and complete field.
16:26 francharb because jcamins said in one of his comment : > CCL syntaxe for an exact match is 'exact' after the index ; it means phrase
16:25 huginn 04Bug 9239: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, RESOLVED FIXED, Koha should share Evergreen's QueryParser module for parsing queries
16:25 francharb which point to this http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9239
16:25 huginn 04Bug 7518: normal, P3, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , searches with quotation marks don't work
16:25 francharb Because, I read this : http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7518
16:25 francharb Does koha support double quote for exact search now?
16:24 francharb Hi cait : do you have a minute?
15:52 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11439: (follow-up) adjust for change in list returned by OCLC XISBN <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6e21422d00f02c88384ce361dab86ccc44e92e49>
15:49 cait and can't check right now :( so just ignore me i guess
15:48 cait if the values are from the database... i just recently translated it but i can't really remember - tired brain
15:48 oleonard Ah well, never mind then...
15:48 francharb I know the value is not saved but should/could koha keep track of it?
15:48 cait if the database has translated strings, it would fall through the switch
15:48 oleonard Oh wait but if the database table doesn't have the English strings...
15:48 oleonard cait: My thought is that even if the database has translated strings, it still doesn't work in a multi-language environment
15:47 cait yeah i was wondering if those values are from the database or from the script (hardcoded)
15:47 francharb is it normal that it doesnt keep track of the type of materials once you chose one and save it?
15:47 oleonard sample files? For populating the database?
15:46 cait the first bit of it
15:46 cait i am wondering aout 11588 - I think it would also be solved by translating the sample files
15:46 oleonard ?
15:46 cait oleonard: ?
15:46 francharb in marc21
15:45 francharb I have a question about the 008 value builder plugin
15:45 francharb any cataloger around here?
15:22 drojf what are index scan searches?
14:51 tcohen index scan searches functional!
14:44 cait tcohen: hm?
14:42 tcohen i.e. we can fix it now
14:40 tcohen cait++ # the problem i mentioned yesterday, was real
14:39 cait and not very well i think
14:39 cait scans only work from staff
14:39 cait ah
14:39 wahanui i heard paul_p was the 3.8 release manager, and is very tall, and does not like coffee.
14:39 tcohen paul_p?
14:36 tcohen (just in case the unit tests doesn't cover it)
14:35 tcohen just wanted to test if something goes wrong with that path
14:35 tcohen in the getRecords code
14:35 tcohen there's an big if ($scan) {} else {}
14:33 cait normally index:searchterm?
14:33 cait what do you want to do?
14:33 tcohen does anyone know how can i trigger an index search in the opac?
14:33 cait ok i sovled my problem :)
14:30 tcohen gmcharlt: around?
14:24 cait tcohen: i would like not to change the dump file
14:23 tcohen instead of dropping it?
14:22 cait ?
14:22 tcohen hi oleonard
14:22 tcohen you'll have to update the letter then
14:22 oleonard My wallet is very stubborn. I keep shaking it and nothing more comes out.
14:21 cait foreign key constraint fails...
14:21 druthb She's hard to convince. Stubborn, in some ways.
14:21 cait hm
14:20 tcohen will you come with cait to argentina? convince her
14:20 druthb good, good
14:20 tcohen hey druthb, how are you doing
14:20 tcohen -e_space_"...
14:19 * druthb offers a high-five to tcohen
14:19 cait tcohen++ druthb++
14:19 cait thx!
14:19 cait that was what i was looking for!
14:19 druthb mysql -u<user> -p<pass> <db> -e"DROP TABLE letter"
14:19 cait aaah
14:19 tcohen in a shell script
14:19 tcohen you can add a line like: mysql <option> -e "DROP TABLE letter"
14:18 tcohen what do u want to do cait?
14:16 cait druthb: i was trying to avoid that as i wanted to write a bash script... and i am not good at this yet :)
14:16 druthb drop the letter table first, is what I usually do.
14:13 cait is there a nice way to restore from a dump without having the complaint about the letter table?
14:12 oleonard Thanks
14:12 paxed i'll see what i can do.
14:06 oleonard 1. Assign the bug to yourself. 2. Revise the commit message so that it describes the problem and lists a test plan. 3. Set the bug to "Needs signoff"
14:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11631 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Make translation toolchain ignore useless translatable strings
14:04 oleonard paxed: There are a few things you could do to get your patch for Bug 11631 moving along if you don't mind
13:58 paxed oleonard: yes?
13:54 oleonard paxed around?
13:53 tcohen gmcharlt: is any decoding of UTF-8 needed when calling new_from_usmarc on zebra search results?
13:52 tcohen cait: is not a big deal
13:52 tcohen hi drojf
13:52 druthb cait! tcohen!
13:52 drojf :D
13:52 drojf tcohen!
13:52 drojf cait!
13:52 tcohen hi cait
13:52 tcohen morning #koha
13:51 cait drojf! druthb!
13:51 cait balmy?
13:51 druthb drojf!
13:50 drojf druthb!
13:49 druthb balmy!
13:49 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Greenway Plaza, Houston, Texas is 5.0°C (7:49 AM CST on January 30, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1020 hPa (Falling).
13:49 druthb @wunder 77098
13:27 blou hot and humid!
13:25 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 0.2°C (2:15 PM CET on January 30, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady).
13:25 cait @wunder Konstanz
13:22 oleonard :P
13:21 blou hot!
13:20 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in OHDOT 31-Athens County Garage, Athens, Ohio is -21.1°C (7:21 AM EST on January 30, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: -23.0°C. Windchill: -21.0°C. Pressure: 30.31 in 1026 hPa (Rising).
13:20 oleonard @wunder 45701
13:19 oleonard Hi #koha
13:03 marcelr thx gaetan_B i reached julian in the meantime via bugzilla mail
13:02 gaetan_B consider it a sort of hackfest ;)
13:01 cait gaetan_B: a full week meeting sounds horrible
12:50 francharb good morning #koha
12:45 fridolin hie all
11:37 gaetan_B marcelr: Julian is in a full week meeting
11:20 cait :)
11:19 drojf hi cait :)
11:19 cait hi drojf
11:04 marcelr does anyone from biblibre know?
11:03 marcelr julian maurice
11:03 marcelr is julian around?
11:03 drojf hi marcelr
11:03 marcelr hi drojf
10:45 drojf hi#koha
10:37 drojf hi #koha
09:07 Oak :)
09:07 wahanui cait: I forgot hello cait
09:07 cait wahanui: forget hello cait
09:07 cait hi oak :)
09:06 wahanui hello cait are you here?
09:06 Oak hello cait
09:06 cait hi matts :)
08:56 matts hi !
08:46 cait hi gaetan_B :)
08:45 gaetan_B hi marcelr, hi cait :)
08:44 cait hi marcelr
08:44 marcelr hi cait gaetan_B
08:29 gaetan_B hello
08:16 cait good morning #koha
07:42 reiveune salut marcelr
07:41 marcelr hi reiveune
07:38 wahanui what's up, reiveune
07:38 reiveune hello
07:37 marcelr ha die #koha
07:27 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -3.5°C (8:25 AM CET on January 30, 2014). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady).
07:27 cait @wunder Konstanz
07:27 cait bye all
07:27 cait have to run
07:15 cait this script does toomany things
07:15 pablito ok
07:14 cait ah i think the -max might only be without the -t... but her eit gets confusing
07:13 pablito ah ok, the koha 3.14 doc indicates the -list-all option, but it is limited by the -max days setting
07:12 cait it's several pages printed
07:12 cait try not the -v but looking at the full option list
07:11 cait and quite sure about the second, but not sure how the option is called
07:11 cait pablito: yes to the first
07:11 pablito cait: also, i just looked at the code of the overdues.pl script and there's no -all/-a option, just the -max days option
07:09 wizzyrea silence
07:00 pablito about sending notices out on the exact date, so if a borrower is 30 days overdue and I only setup for triggers on the 1, 2, and 10, then this borrower will not get the notice?
06:59 cait there is an -all/-a option i think, so you can list all overdue items in those notices, instead of only the matching ones
06:59 cait and all categoreis have triggers defined
06:59 cait also you can check if your borrower categories all have overdue notice required set
06:58 pablito ah
06:58 cait so if you set up a trigger with 1 2 3 it will send out notices 1 2 3 days after the item was due, but only on that date for those items
06:58 cait you must know that it will onyl send out on the exact dates
06:58 cait hm ok
06:56 pablito koha-foreach --enabled --email /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/overdue_notices.pl -t
06:56 pablito here's my cron file:
06:55 pablito yes, the cronjob uses the -t option
06:54 cait i have to admit, we have always used -t so i am not sure how the other options work
06:54 cait yeah
06:54 cait pablito: the overdues script has a lot of different options
06:54 pablito this is in the cron job right?
06:54 cait pablito: if you run with -t it uses the triggers you set in tools
06:53 paxed rangi: hm. is there some example utility perl code that takes care of all of that?
06:53 pablito what is the -t option?
06:52 pablito all same branch
06:52 pablito hmm
06:50 cait are you using the -t option for overdues?
06:49 cait all same branch?
06:49 pablito yes, they all do
06:49 cait pablito: do they all have emai laddresses? in the same email field
06:49 rangi hey cait
06:49 cait hey rangi
06:49 rangi no
06:46 paxed does updating biblioitems.marcxml update biblioitems.marc, and all the other necessary places (such as biblio.title, etc)?
06:46 pablito or about 20 people
06:45 pablito i have like 70 overdues
06:45 pablito but it only sent emails to only 5 people
06:45 pablito using postfix
06:45 pablito I have enabled email overdue notices for koha
06:44 pablito although, I have a koha issue that's been bothering for a couple weeks
06:43 pablito well, there is work but it can wait :-D
06:43 cait at least no meetings today :)
06:43 cait let's hope for the best here as well
06:42 pablito cait: thursday here is good, not too much work today
06:42 cait aaah yeah - feeling the same,might also take an hour...
06:42 pablito :-D
06:42 pablito cait: physically yes, mentalling...still booting up
06:42 cait and how is thursday so far?
06:42 cait :)
06:41 pablito haha
06:41 cait pablito: are you awake yet? :)
06:41 cait paxed: the manage should only appear if your next predicted issue has no prediction date, which should be for irregular patterns, but it seems some date is always set there now (which is a separate bug)
06:41 pablito cool, I'm one hour ahead
06:40 cait 7:40 am
06:40 pablito cait: what time is it for you over there?
06:40 cait we thought it was not possible to make it show up now, as th irregular pattern doesn't seem to work like before - i linked a bug report to yours
06:40 cait paxed: ah interesting!
06:39 pablito the weekend is almost here
06:39 huginn paxed: The operation succeeded.
06:39 paxed @later tell oleonard yes, the "manage" shows up in the UI, as cait said - I don't know exactly how, as all I got was a screenshot of the page.
06:39 pablito hehe
06:39 cait getting ready for work right now
06:39 cait righ tnow? tired :)
06:39 cait hi pablito :)
06:39 pablito how are you?
06:39 pablito hi cait!
06:35 * cait waves
05:11 mtompset Have a great day, #koha Oak eythian dcook rangi wizzyrea.
05:10 mtompset With a unimarc sign off, I shall go to bed. :)
04:30 mtompset Greetings, Oak.
04:30 Oak hello mtompset :)
04:30 Oak kia ora #koha
04:27 mtompset It's not perfect, but it is a vast improvement. :0
04:27 mtompset eythian++ # thanks. :)
04:27 eythian no problem
04:27 mtompset Thanks for the sign off, eythian. :)
04:04 dcook If not, there should probably be a better update mechanism than manually editing it
04:04 dcook In theory, it should.
04:04 mtompset - assuming the default framework has EVERYTHING, then yes.
04:04 dcook mtompset: Being explicit is the best :D
04:03 mtompset You'll note I specify the clicks to take in most of my test plans, because I don't want to assume people know what to click to do something. :)
04:03 dcook eythian: Not being able to edit the default framework does sound like a rather good idea!
04:03 mtompset ^in^is^
04:02 mtompset Editing frameworks in a pain.
04:00 eythian I always click the wrong link there
04:00 eythian oh, it's just the name you can't change
03:59 eythian I didn't realise that, but it's a good idea.
03:58 eythian huh you can't actually edit the default framework any more.
03:48 mtompset *whew* not affecting our live or QA systems. :)
03:48 mtompset exposed problems = quickly fixed problems.
03:47 wizzyrea oh and rangi++ who initially suggested it
03:47 dcook Exposing problems = good
03:47 dcook Good point
03:47 dcook hehe
03:47 eythian dcook: no, it'd expose problems
03:47 rangi good :)
03:47 dcook rangi: I think that'll cause problems in a few other areas
03:47 eythian that's probably a good thing to try
03:47 rangi might be worth doing
03:47 rangi eythian: we could turn strict on
03:47 wizzyrea eythian++ good idea fail2ban it's already got one ^.^
03:46 eythian mtompset: this is why a database should explode when you try to do things like put a big value into a small field, not truncate like mysql does.
03:46 wizzyrea 2 a second, those jerks.
03:44 mtompset I did, but I think there may have been an overlapping version number between custom stuffs.
03:41 dcook 'twas Turnkey Linux
03:41 dcook rangi: https://code.google.com/p/shellinabox/
03:41 rangi you mustnt have upgraded the db
03:40 mtompset t log in.
03:40 mtompset no wonder I can'
03:40 mtompset but the bcrypt hash is longer than that!
03:40 * dcook is pleased that the encrypted drive works on a Linux VM even though Windows thinks it's going nuts
03:39 mtompset password varchar(30)
03:39 mtompset OH ..... bleep.
03:39 wizzyrea ^
03:39 rangi ajaxterm
03:39 dcook Yeah, I wonder if I remember the name of the system..
03:38 eythian java or some such
03:38 eythian possibly a plugin
03:38 dcook Quite. Now that I think about it, I guess the web-based console I used last time might've used something else than HTML...not sure really
03:35 eythian but it's more that its rendered using HTML that's interesting.
03:35 eythian yeah, it uses https
03:35 * dcook says only barely having come near VNC so far
03:34 dcook https? Isn't VNC unencrypted?
03:34 dcook Ok, yeah, that's what I was thinking of
03:34 dcook Mmm
03:34 wizzyrea ^^ is probably what lish is
03:34 dcook I suppose if your key is compromised and you're locked out, you're screwed anyway
03:34 eythian My VPS has console via VNC over HTML. It works surprisingly well.
03:33 dcook eythian: Right, I figure that was the only option unless there was another way of accessing the server.
03:33 wizzyrea console being "what they call it when you're sitting in front of it"
03:33 eythian dcook: when you set it up you have a password, then you put a key onto it and change the setting.
03:33 wahanui somebody said console was on the 'all' tab and there is nothing there
03:33 dcook console?
03:33 wizzyrea anyway it's like a console connection
03:33 dcook eythian: The premise being how do you get a key onto a server that has key only access if your key isn't already on it
03:32 wizzyrea i'm guessing that stands for "linode shell"
03:32 dcook wizzyrea: lish?
03:32 dcook Right, I guess you'd have to use password access to get your key up first then
03:32 wizzyrea linode uses lish for that
03:31 ibeardslee any machine, physical or virtual, you have ssh access to should be able to be setup for key only access
03:31 eythian I don't understand the premise behind the question.
03:30 dcook (Depending on the provider, I suppose)
03:30 dcook Is there a web-based terminal a person can use as if they were working with the physical machine?
03:30 * dcook wonders how that would work with a VPS
03:29 dcook keys only :D
03:29 dcook rangi: Ah, right, of course.
03:29 dcook eythian / mtompset: Finally got that USB working
03:29 ibeardslee yes .. I use it for ssh on my personal servers .. although I really should change that to keys only
03:29 * wizzyrea will execute this post haste
03:29 eythian yeah, it's quite good.
03:29 rangi and for a bunch of other things
03:29 wizzyrea http://23x.net/908/securing-wordpress-using-fail2ban.html good thoughts
03:29 rangi dcook: for ssh it does that out of the box
03:28 * dcook really needs to look at it himself sometime..
03:28 dcook I seem to recall fail2ban being able to block after 3 password attempts or some such?
03:28 ibeardslee dcook: I may have done
03:28 wizzyrea mmm it doesn't really but it probably could - there seems to be a plugin.
03:27 wahanui ibeardslee is probably closer to the merengues at BOC
03:27 dcook ibeardslee?
03:27 * dcook recalls a catalyst person telling him about fail2ban
03:26 eythian assuming that wordpress logs auth failures somewhere (it probably does.)
03:26 wizzyrea ooh I bet someone has one of those.
03:26 eythian yeah definitely.
03:26 rangi we should do a fail2ban rule for that
03:25 wizzyrea now if we don't have a referer it drops those. hrmph.
03:24 pastebot "wizzyrea" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "for 3 hours straight" (24 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/102
03:24 eythian oh yeah?
03:24 wizzyrea well I found out what was killing the koha-community server
03:22 eythian =head3 TO DO: Add real perldoc
03:22 eythian ah, I was looking in the code, and that comes after stuff. If you go to the bottom, nearly the first thing is
03:20 rangi like there?
03:20 rangi C4::Tags.pm - Support for user tagging of biblios.
03:20 rangi perldoc C4/Tags.pm
03:20 dcook No go on the encrypted drive
03:20 eythian it'd be nice if it actually said that somewhere though.
03:20 eythian it manages tags
03:19 mtompset What is C4::Tags?!
03:17 mtompset nope that wasn't it.
03:16 mtompset still debarments bug in memberentrygen.tt
03:13 mtompset My unimarc VM.
03:13 mtompset 3.15.00.015 -- master
03:13 mtompset It didn't run the save?!
03:13 mtompset OH... wait a second... it triggered a branch select.
03:11 wahanui version is always noted in a comment on top
03:11 wizzyrea version?
03:11 mtompset And I can't log in as them either.
03:11 mtompset I also logged in as the system account, changed the password of an existing superlibrarian.
03:11 wahanui superlibrarian is one of the permissions
03:11 mtompset superlibrarian.
03:10 wahanui rumour has it permissions is most likely the problem
03:10 wizzyrea permissions?
03:10 mtompset staff.
03:10 wizzyrea staff or borrower?
03:08 mtompset Hmm....
03:08 mtompset No owner passed in or defined.
03:08 eythian oh, then it's probably from a change in Earth's rotational speed
03:07 mtompset I just did an add, and it doesn't log in.
03:07 mtompset no no... into koha locally silly.
03:07 eythian mtompset: Traceroute says that there is a routing problem in the backbone. It's not our problem.
03:06 mtompset Hmm.... Why isn't my patron able to log in?!
02:54 dcook Hmm, I had a person recommending it last year. Perhaps I should give it a look.
02:54 eythian I have an All Access subscription, which give you everything.
02:54 eythian yeah
02:54 dcook This is Google music?
02:53 eythian I do quite like the radio mode though. I've had a few people complement me on my selection when I just pick a track that everyone will like and say "more like this" :)
02:50 dcook There's a few songs that I listen to regularly though that I'd like in the mix
02:50 dcook Yeah, I think I'd prefer more recommendation, which I think is an option
02:49 eythian ah right. I find google music loves a bit too much to tell you what you've recently listened to, when I'd rather have more recommendations.
02:48 dcook Rangi put me onto it ages ago and now I find it's part of the routine
02:47 wahanui Grooveshark is glitching out on that song, odd as it works for any other song.
02:47 dcook Grooveshark
02:47 eythian using google music?
02:47 eythian heh
02:47 dcook eythian: Rhapsody of Fire now appears in my Recently Listened to amongst music that most certianly is not similar at all, lol
02:44 dcook Ah, Extension Pack
02:44 dcook Might just be a checkbox
02:44 dcook I think I already have the addons installed
02:43 mtompset (if I recall)
02:43 mtompset Oh, you have to have the add on installed.
02:43 dcook Maybe I don't have Virtualbox configured correctly but it's not showing up there
02:43 dcook Well, Windows can detect a drive, but wants to reformat it
02:42 mtompset I agree with eythian on this.
02:41 eythian assuming it gets to see it as a block device, anyway
02:40 eythian probably can
02:38 * dcook bets not..
02:38 dcook Let's see if a Linux VM in Windows can read a Linux encrypted USB..
02:37 dcook Really need to try out NFS and sshfs sometime. If I move away from Windows completely, there might not be a point using Samba..
02:36 dcook Ah, that reminds me of something to try..
02:29 mtompset Like I trust my copies to stay clean. :P
02:28 eythian or pull from a local copy that's kept up to date
02:28 * mtompset shrugs.
02:28 wizzyrea can reduce it some.
02:28 wizzyrea pull only the master branch?
02:28 mtompset I choose the pain for simplicity.
02:27 eythian I NFS mount mine, but sshfs would also work.
02:27 mtompset Don't want to even go there.
02:27 eythian network file systems
02:27 mtompset separate VM.
02:26 eythian you don't share one repo between them all?
02:26 mtompset I really should do this more often. I hate huge git pulls.
02:23 * mtompset starts up his UNIMARC VM.
02:15 eythian https://gitorious.org/koha-migration-toolbox/koha-migration-toolbox/source/2aa59fa7337ba17ea02d5ebadc424e79fd0c2c9c:migration/Liberty/circ.pl#L138
02:15 eythian basically, I run this after an import:
02:15 eythian but not from old_issues
02:15 eythian the issue date
02:15 eythian oh
02:14 eythian onloan is null or the date due
02:14 eythian mtompset: no
02:14 mtompset well, and issues.issuedate as well, right?
02:14 mtompset So the old_issues.issuedate is used to populate the items.onloan value, right?
02:11 dcook I think I was just working on items.onloan recently, so thought it might be relevant
02:10 mtompset eythian++ # for the circulation history help.
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02:09 mtompset dcook++ # we don't say thank you enough. :)
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02:09 eythian I think maybe a new column or something that's not even used.
02:09 eythian mtompset: yeah, not a whole lot has changed in that respect, iirc.
02:08 eythian dcook: that's the one sorry
02:08 * mtompset cringes, "I need to set up a Koha 3.0.7 VM."
02:07 mtompset those tables existed back then?
02:07 mtompset now, what if this is from 3.0.7?
02:07 wahanui items.onloan is, like, NULL
02:07 dcook items.onloan?
02:01 eythian and items.issued needs to be populated accordingly too
02:01 eythian old_issues for history, issues for current.
02:01 mtompset which tables?
02:00 eythian it's easy peasy
02:00 eythian yep
02:00 mtompset Does anyone here have experience migrating circulation history?
01:59 dcook Perhaps I have enough cred to say it
01:59 * dcook feels the thickness of his glasses
01:58 dcook Yeah, but it just seems a bit wanky
01:58 eythian why, it's a perfectly valid word :)
01:57 * dcook can't believe he just said datum
01:57 dcook If you look at the html source, it even says bibliographies is a natureofcontents datum
01:56 dcook Form should just be print
01:55 dcook Which, in this case, seems relevant
01:55 dcook bibliographies should be under nature of contents
01:55 dcook Or rather, a difference between MARC and Koha
01:55 dcook Actually, it looks like it might be a coding issue in Koha?
01:53 eythian quite possibly
01:52 wizzyrea the record, not the work.
01:52 wizzyrea since it's a fiction to begin with.
01:52 wizzyrea I think the item probably doesn't actually exist as catalogued.
01:52 dcook So it probably shouldn't say "print bibliography"
01:51 dcook I think it's a biography containing a bibliography
01:51 dcook eythian: I concur
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01:51 eythian especially if it's also a biography
01:50 eythian which seemed inaccurate.
01:50 eythian dcook: well, it might have a bibliography, but it sounds like it's describing the whole work as one.
01:50 dcook Err, human error that is
01:50 dcook I think it's probably a coding error
01:50 wizzyrea that seems highly unlikely
01:50 dcook eythian: Bibliography: p. 215-228.
01:49 dcook Ah, the system preference must've changed since I last used it then
01:49 wizzyrea I only turned off the xslt icons thing, whatever that did is what it did.
01:49 dcook Did you miss some icons, wizzyrea, or are those supposed to be there?
01:47 eythian maybe it means something different in cataloguey terms.
01:47 wizzyrea that data predates me I think. I could certainly remove it
01:46 wizzyrea I think those came from gutenberg
01:46 eythian Format: print bibliography bibliography; Nature of contents: biography; Literary form: not fiction
01:46 eythian e.g. "Dracula; a biography of Vlad the Impaler, 1431-1476"
01:46 dcook How you're hiding it. Well, CSS, but I wasn't sure if you used jquery or the usercss for that
01:46 eythian are those records confusing bibliography and biography?
01:46 wizzyrea what?
01:46 dcook Is that jquery?
01:45 wizzyrea http://demo.mykoha.co.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=&q=dracula&branch_group_limit= regardless, without those damn icons this looks passably nice ;)
01:45 dcook ^
01:44 eythian however MARC was developed before relational data storage was a thing, so that doesn't help it any.
01:44 wizzyrea just don't do it this way as it's nonsensical.
01:44 wizzyrea I'm not going to argue normalisation with you, lol. I'm not an advocate for "do it all willy nilly"
01:43 eythian it's even more normalised, which up to a point means more good :)
01:43 wizzyrea you shouldn't end up with 50 different hamlet records. You should have one hamlet, with 50 expressions, and an item for each expression.
01:43 eythian well yeah
01:42 * wizzyrea still prefers the frbr model.
01:42 dcook ^
01:42 eythian yeah, it's an odd one.
01:41 eythian oh, bib level item type
01:41 eythian and bib level records provide that
01:41 eythian data normalisation is important, or everything will end up terrible.
01:41 wizzyrea but it'll be a 123.
01:41 wizzyrea yea you got your quote 123 situations where ok sure your use case it might be helpful
01:40 wizzyrea I still feel that the bib level item type, in *general library usage* is misleading for borrowers, and overall utterly pointless.
01:40 kathryn fake it til you make it...
01:39 eythian everything in one place has its uses.
01:39 eythian same reason item records are already there.
01:38 wizzyrea why would you bother faking it
01:38 eythian *uglier
01:38 eythian koha could sorta fake it with marc, grab another 9xx field and link them together. It'd get ugly though.
01:37 eythian yeah, but marc
01:37 rangi now im really leaving
01:37 rangi fucking marc
01:37 * wizzyrea points out that as originally coded, Koha handled all of that really well.
01:36 eythian pretty much, yeah
01:36 wizzyrea yea, frbr. :P
01:36 dcook ^^
01:36 eythian it's a hack for something that needs a better solution.
01:36 * eythian grumbles at the idea of creating fake items, it's bad data, even though it's sometimes necessary.
01:35 jcamins Last I checked, you can't show item information at a bibliographic level.
01:35 * rangi pops a painkiller and goes back to sleep
01:33 wizzyrea me too. Just create an item.
01:33 rangi im still missing the point
01:32 jcamins "Auction catalogs" for example.
01:32 eythian it's just they're a pain to actually use :)
01:32 eythian they are a general semantic type that is movable between catalogues.
01:32 jcamins Many of my libraries use it.
01:31 rangi esoteric data no one cares about?
01:31 rangi i dont see any other use for them
01:31 jcamins rangi: no, record types can have a definite basis in reality, just not if you think of record type in purely physical terms.
01:30 eythian No, ISBN and UPC shouldn't be, that's denormalised.
01:30 wizzyrea (upc for DVD's)
01:30 wizzyrea but isbn, upc.
01:30 wizzyrea well not issn.
01:30 rangi since it cant support most of what is being published now
01:30 wizzyrea really, ISBN, ISSN, UPC, those ought to be item fields
01:30 dcook It depends how you implement item types, I suppose
01:29 dcook jcamins: Also true
01:29 rangi jcamins: or reality :)
01:29 dcook Which makes a barrier to regular non-programmers
01:29 jcamins Record type can be useful... as long as you don't think of it as related at all to item types.
01:29 dcook So you'd need to write a script to create items from an import
01:29 dcook But if you're importing from someone like Ebsco, they won't have items by default
01:29 rangi ever
01:29 rangi yeah theres no reason not to have an item
01:29 dcook wizzyrea: Yeah, that's usually what we do
01:29 rangi they just made more of a mess though
01:29 wizzyrea what. is. the. harm. in. creating. an. item.
01:29 dcook In Koha, you might have an item type in the 942, but is that an "item type"
01:28 rangi that was one thing they could have fixed with RDA
01:28 dcook I suppose the part that gets me though is when you have a bib without items
01:28 wizzyrea ^^^
01:28 rangi and cant support reality
01:28 rangi totlally useless
01:28 wizzyrea especially if you think about frbr.
01:28 dcook Sort of, eh?
01:28 rangi it is
01:28 wizzyrea I think the record type is more or less useless information
01:28 dcook I suppose the 942 acts like a record type though
01:27 dcook I'm always a bit conflicted about record type vs item type
01:26 wizzyrea iconsxslt was the bit I was missing :)
01:26 wizzyrea yea I found that one
01:26 wizzyrea rangi++ thanks
01:26 rangi theres a patch to switch to using the itemtype icon too
01:26 dcook Although it also removes the words as well as the icons
01:26 dcook DisplayIconsXSLT, I think
01:24 rangi i just have to find it
01:23 rangi nope you can turn them off with a syspref
01:12 wizzyrea right. thanks
01:11 dcook Only if you edit your XSLT, me thinks
01:11 eythian no, I don't think you can
01:10 wizzyrea I know you can turn them off.
01:10 wizzyrea because my brain is obviously not working properly - you can't change the little icons that populate from the leader?
01:02 dcook Me thinks that I might need more of those
01:02 eythian yeah, though it's rare that it happens, I think mostly because I have blocking addons for things.
01:00 dcook Does anyone else dislike when they hear a sound from an app or a website, but they have no idea to which it belongs?
00:50 eythian https://soundcloud.com/fredscott-1/this-is-a-trent-reznor-song <-- it so is