IRC log for #koha, 2013-12-17

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01:20 rangi and another thread ruined
01:20 rangi that guy is toxic
01:21 jcamins At least he's contributing as RMaint.
01:22 jcamins Wait...
01:22 rangi heh
01:22 rangi now i feel the need to defend an idea, i dont actually give a crap about eitherway
01:23 ibeardslee .. do you need to defend the idea or just feel you need to?
01:23 rangi well the idea is fine
01:23 rangi and we cant let the last word on every thread by a person who has contributed nothing to koha
01:24 rangi except grief
01:24 * dcook looks at his web browser then sees black as he thumps his head against his desk
01:24 * wizzyrea pats dcook "I feel that way about IE too."
01:24 eythian I'll let you do the replying this time :D
01:25 dcook wizzyrea: I was referring to the email (had to look at the archive online as I just get the digests)
01:25 wizzyrea :)
01:25 wizzyrea I figured it was something like that, but I have to get my digs in on IE where I can.
01:25 dcook hehe
01:25 dcook ;)
01:25 dcook Toxic is certainly the exact word...
01:31 rangi not my best work
01:31 rangi but i didnt want to leave nora having to read that attack without a quick rebuttal right after
01:32 rangi masscat are paying for NCIP in koha .. what exactly have you done for us lately Paul A
01:34 jcamins Ohhh. That's why "Kohana" sounded familiar.
01:34 jcamins Kohala.
01:34 dcook Good rebuttal, me thinks
01:34 rangi kohana is also i think a couple of other projects
01:34 eythian There's also a Dutch kohala, I think
01:35 rangi you bump into it on ohloh
01:35 eythian <-- not very updated
01:36 rangi[…]na&sort=relevance
01:36 mtj hey folks...
01:36 mtj fwiw, the australian koha librarians wanted (and have) their own mailing-list, too
01:37 mtj it was set up last year
01:37 rangi yep
01:37 rangi im on it
01:37 rangi its pretty low traffic
01:37 rangi but they do talk about regional stuff
01:38 mtj … they possibly had the sense to not mention it on the Koha list :p
01:38 dcook Yeah, I'm on Koha-oz as well. Very low traffic. I think they organize things in Melbs from time to time though.
01:39 mtj http://lists.koha-community.or[…]/listinfo/koha-oz
01:39 dcook I would probably go if there were a meetup in Sydney
01:40 rangi yeah we have had 2 koha nz meetings
01:40 rangi just one day things
01:49 * mtj looking forward to that thread getting derpier...
01:51 rangi im not :)
01:52 mtj yeah, actually, thats not even funny :/
01:53 rangi its actually becoming a real problem
01:54 rangi if every post is gonna derped on, people are gonna stop fast
01:58 mtj its a chore to have to response sensibly to the negitive thread hijacking
02:02 mtj rangi, …but i think your responses carry the most 'weight'
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03:43 mtj peeps, does anyone have any experience with using a <<items.fine>> placeholder, in their ODUE notices template?
03:44 mtj i've been experimenting with it, have have realized it doesn't quite do what i thought it did :/
03:45 mtj it seems to actually display a rental charge, for an item - not a 'fine'
03:45 brendan_ mtj: is there an items.fine ?
03:46 mtj well, its not an actual column, in the items table
03:46 brendan_ right
03:49 mtj its a 'virtual' column, that is sometimes added to an item hash
03:50 mtj ...who's value is fetched from  GetIssuingCharges()
03:53 mtj hmm, just taking another look...
03:57 mtj woah, it just worked :)
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04:22 mtj hey, so ignore those comments ^^
04:22 mtj seems to be working fine :)
05:35 dcook So I can load SQL from the database that contains "@tag"
05:35 dcook But if I try to manually write it into the SQL in a Perl script, I get errors..
05:35 dcook Possible unintended interpolation of @tag in string
05:35 dcook :S
05:36 dcook This @tag being Xpath not an array variable..
05:37 mtj sounds like a quoting issue
05:37 dcook Agreed. I've tried a few different quoting methods but I must be missing something
05:38 mtj[…]te-like-Operators
05:38 dcook Yeah, that's what I'm looking at at the moment :/
05:39 mtj try a here-doc ?
05:39 dcook That was the first thing I tried :(
05:40 mtj
05:40 gmcharlt dcook: might this be interfering?[…]er-variables.html
05:43 dcook Ah, it looks like I wasn't doing my heredoc correctly
05:43 dcook I was using <<SQL;
05:43 dcook Not <<'SQL';
05:44 gmcharlt ah, yes, that would cause interpolation
05:44 dcook I see that now, hehe
05:44 dcook thanks mtj and gmcharlt :)
05:48 dcook Despite the similarities, PHP and Perl sure are different beasts
05:49 dcook Sweet!
05:49 dcook My wife forgot her laptop charger back in Canada and it turns out the accommodation still has it in their lost and found
05:49 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7934: generate separate PO files for help pages <[…]aaa3737b85f330e93>
05:54 jenkins_koha Starting build #1555 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1547 6 days 9 hr ago)
05:56 mtj cool, good to hear you got it sorted dcook
05:56 dcook :)
05:57 mtj i made the same quoting mistake with a heredoc, a few months ago
05:59 dcook Not a bad mistake to make, as it's a good thing to know :)
06:02 mtj is it just me, or is FF waay slower than chrome for dev work?
06:02 dcook Hmm, I tend to only use Chrome/Chromium
06:02 dcook I got tired of FF as it was way slower for regular browsing on my laptop a few years ago
06:03 mtj hmm, tho i do have a bunch more plugins running on my FF
06:03 dcook Mind you, one of the latest Chrome builds for Debian didn't play well with my VM...
06:03 mtj ahh
06:04 mtj heres a better Q, does anyone know of a small FF plugin to page-load time?
06:06 dcook Alas, I do not, and I gotta run. Good luck!
06:06 mtj something small/fast - not firebug :p
06:07 mtj np, google has a bunch of results
06:14 mtj this looks perfect... ->[…]ddon/apptelemetry
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06:24 cait gmcharlt++
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06:35 * Oak waves
06:36 cait ah, now i missed dcook again... no report about tuesday
06:36 cait hi Oak :)
06:36 Oak hey cait :)
06:36 * mtompset waves good bye.
06:37 mtompset Have a great day, #koha. :)
07:01 cait @wunder Konstanz
07:01 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -2.6°C (8:00 AM CET on December 17, 2013). Conditions: Light Freezing Fog. Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 30.42 in 1030 hPa (Steady).
07:01 cait brr
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07:28 cait morning magnuse
07:28 * cait is a bit unhappy how the mailing list discussion turned out
07:29 cait my first reaction was not so positive as well, but I think i can see the point now
07:32 * magnuse needs to read up on the lists
07:37 magnuse Bug 7934
07:37 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7934 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , Separate po file for help pages
07:37 magnuse confetti!
07:37 wahanui rumour has it confetti is[…]1qh8hleo1_400.gif
07:37 magnuse confetti!
07:37 wahanui i think confetti is[…]1qh8hleo1_400.gif
07:37 magnuse confetti!
07:37 wahanui well, confetti is[…]1qh8hleo1_400.gif
07:37 magnuse confetti!
07:37 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
07:37 magnuse \o/
07:37 cait bgkriegel++
07:37 magnuse bgkriegel++ cait++ gmcharlt++
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07:43 reiveune hello
07:44 magnuse bonjour reiveune
07:45 reiveune hi magnuse, cait, kathryn, rangi :)
07:45 cait hi reiveune :)
07:48 cait bbiab
07:57 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1555: STILL UNSTABLE in 2 hr 5 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1555/
07:57 jenkins_koha Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 7934: generate separate PO files for help pages
07:57 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7934 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Master , Separate po file for help pages
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08:00 alex_a bonjour
08:00 * magnuse waits impatiently for his new laptop
08:00 magnuse bonjour alex_a
08:00 magnuse @wunder marseille
08:00 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Realtor, CABRIES, France is -0.3°C (9:00 AM CET on December 17, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.48 in 1032 hPa (Steady).
08:00 magnuse hah, i can beat that!
08:00 magnuse @wunder boo
08:00 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 4.0°C (8:50 AM CET on December 17, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.33 in 993 hPa (Rising).
08:00 magnuse muharharhar
08:03 alex_a bonjour magnuse
08:07 magnuse alex_a: cold(ish) today?
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08:09 magnuse bonjour sophie_m
08:09 sophie_m bonjour magnuse :-)
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08:10 alex_a No magnuse, beautiful day today
08:10 alex_a @wunder gueret
08:10 huginn alex_a: The current temperature in Limoges, France is 7.0°C (9:00 AM CET on December 17, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Steady).
08:11 magnuse yeah, that does look nice
08:11 * magnuse never remembers who amongst the biblibre crew is actually in marseille
08:12 magnuse hiya busla - in iceland?
08:12 busla magnuse: hey, yes
08:12 magnuse very cool!
08:12 busla no.. very coooold!
08:12 magnuse any koh action there?
08:12 magnuse hehe
08:12 * magnuse is in Bodø, Norway
08:13 magnuse @wunder reykjavik
08:13 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Perlukor, Kopavogur, Iceland is -0.8°C (8:06 AM GMT on December 17, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow Showers. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -6.0°C. Pressure: 28.88 in 978 hPa (Falling).
08:14 busla how north is Bodo?
08:15 magnuse just nort of the arctic circle
08:15 magnuse well, 1,5-2 hours drive north of it
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08:20 magnuse wow, looks like liceland is just below the arctic circle?
08:20 * magnuse never thought about that before...
08:20 * magnuse waves to cait
08:21 * cait waves back
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09:04 cait morning barton and ashimema
09:05 ashimema morning cait
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10:25 rjones_ hi
10:26 rjones_ i am a newbie to koha and need some help
10:26 cait hi rjones_
10:26 cait what's your question?
10:27 rjones_ I am trying to install koha in CentOS. I was following the howto in[…]tos_6.3_x86_64_en.
10:27 rjones_ Installation went on fine. At the end when I try to access koha page (web installer) from my pc (using http://koha.domainname:8008), it redirects me to the the page with a message System maintenance The Koha online catalog is offline for system maintenance. We'll be back soon! If you have any questions, please contact the site administrator..
10:29 cait hmm
10:30 cait did you change the ports?
10:30 rjones_ i got no clue where i am going wrong
10:30 cait that should show in opac
10:30 cait and is normal
10:30 cait but on the staff side you should get a login to run the web installer
10:30 cait are you bound to CentOS?
10:30 rjones_ yes...
10:30 cait it's a lot easier to install on ubuntu or debian because of the packages
10:30 cait i'd say check your virutalhost configuraton in apache
10:30 cait there are 2 interfaces
10:30 mtj rjones_, your apache stuff will be incorrect, from that guide
10:31 cait by default the opac should be running on port 8
10:31 cait 80
10:31 cait and staff interface should run from 8080
10:31 cait right, looks like a typo?
10:32 cait 8008 vs. 8080
10:32 rjones_ hmm yes
10:32 mtj this file is probably incorrect ->   /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf
10:33 mtj "Define your web server ports for Koha opac and staff interfaces. A sample setting is given below. You can customize web configuration for your needs. "
10:36 rjones_ so, u need me to try changing ports?
10:36 mtj sorry, bbiab...
10:38 mtj rjones_, i recommend installing koha in a debian vm, with .deb packages - for your first attempt
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10:40 mtj …then you can use your working debian Koha, to help with your Centos install
10:41 mtj there is an important step missing from the install guide, that you are using
10:43 mtj[…]ion_Documentation
10:43 mtj[…]on_Debian_Squeeze
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10:52 rjones_ mtj, i got disconnected
10:53 rjones_ which step am i missing?
10:56 cait khall_away: ping :)
10:56 cait i thnk nothing in between
10:56 cait rjones_: mtj didn't say more after posting the links
10:57 cait i thnk if you changed the port in that file  /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf
10:57 cait from probably 8080 to 8008 and restart apache, that could work
10:58 rjones_ right now, its in 8008 port...nothing in 8080
11:00 magnuse on debian, apache has a config file called ports.conf, where you have to tell it to listen to the ports you run koha on
11:01 magnuse maybe you have to add "Listen 8008" there, if that is what you want to use
11:02 rjones_ i tried adding a virtualhost block entry in httpd.conf file too for port 8008
11:04 pastebot "magnuse" at pasted "this is my ports.conf on ubuntu" (18 lines) at
11:05 cait rjones_: hm there should already be an entry - one for staff oen for opac
11:05 cait you shouldn't have to add something new from scratch
11:05 pastebot "magnuse" at pasted "...and on debian" (24 lines) at
11:06 rjones_ what will be the staff login and opac login url's by default?
11:06 cait if you have localhost it would be: localhost and localhost:8080
11:06 cait for opac and staff by default
11:06 cait that's why whe were surprised about the centos instructions
11:08 rjones_ hmm yes...i thought the wiki info wont have any errors
11:13 cait rjones_: lots of people write there
11:13 cait and only very few are using centos
11:13 rjones_ :(
11:13 cait it's hard to keep everything current
11:13 cait maybe that library was already using 8080 for something else
11:13 cait and therefore did the change on purpose
11:14 rjones_ so, what could be the possible correction i have to make ?
11:30 * rjones_ slaps mtj around a bit with a large fishbot
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11:39 magnuse there is no way in koha to charge per reminder, right? so that one reminder would cost the same, regardsless of the number of items/issues you are reminded about?
12:12 cait magnuse: not currently - there might be a bug tho about having some kind of per letter fee
12:14 magnuse ooh, i better take another look for that
12:17 cait bug 11092
12:17 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11092 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Need a processing fee and billing fee  on late notices.
12:17 magnuse cait++
12:19 * cait grumps a little because it seems totally possible to have non-existing branchcodes in statistics and issues :(
12:19 magnuse hm, i wonder if that would allow the fee per item to be zero, and then have the billing fee be the only fee?
12:20 cait overdues are independent from fines, so yep
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13:30 magnuse gooooood morning americas!
13:32 * cait waves
13:33 oleonard Hi rest-of-the-world
13:33 NateC hiya magnuse!
13:33 oleonard How's Tuesday so far? Should I stick with it?
13:34 magnuse yeah, not to shabby i think
13:34 magnuse s/to/too/
13:34 oleonard Alright fine.
13:35 * oleonard stays at work
13:36 cait oleonard: it's ... meh.
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13:37 * cait had wrong non-existing branchcodes in issues and is a bit grumpy now
13:40 pablito hi all
13:40 pablito hi cait
13:40 pablito how are you?
13:47 cait bit grumpy, but overall ok
13:49 pablito work related eh?
13:49 cait I am almost over it :)
13:49 PabloAB Hi all!
13:49 pablito hehe
13:49 pablito hola PabloAB!
13:49 pablito :-)
13:50 PabloAB I have an existentialistic question
13:50 PabloAB Here the librarians want to use some holdings subfields not defined by Koha, like 952$k, $f or $i (and we don't need some defined) but we are afraid of using lets say $k, and then on Koha 6.7 this one is used for something else. In the past we tried to redefined already used subfields, but changes are overwritten on every upgrade. What is the best way to manage this local holding data? The less nasty way I've found is to somehow code all this things on 952$x.
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13:51 cait hm
13:51 cait $i is used
13:51 cait and so is $f
13:51 cait I have good experience with using upper case letters
13:52 cait and not map, then the subfield will be saved to more_subfields_xml
13:52 cait i is mapped to stocknumber for an inventory number
13:52 PabloAB I know, $f not mapped (AFIK) to a SQL field other than xml_other_subfields
13:52 cait what kind of information are you trying to add?
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13:53 PabloAB Numeric, dates, dates of items going and coming from the repair section
13:53 PabloAB (book binding)
13:55 tcohen morning #koha
13:56 tcohen cait: i was indeed a big and awesome party ;P
13:56 PabloAB Other things are for eg  type of book bindings, for every time the item is repair
13:57 tcohen irc logs?
13:57 wahanui irc logs are
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14:03 tcohen ashimema: have you tried the patch for the daemon?
14:04 tcohen @later tell rangi could you remove your "originmaster" branch? It makes tab-completion uncomfortable ;-)
14:04 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded.
14:05 PabloAB So, you say to simply add uppercase subfields, and of course not map them to anything. This won't get us into any trouble? We were afraid also of using ß or µ or æ. Librarian create & with unexpected results: Bug 9874.
14:05 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9874 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Adding subfield «ampersand» produce unexpected behaviours
14:06 tcohen bug pimping?
14:09 tcohen why would you want to use non-ASCII characters for naming subfields?
14:09 PabloAB Librarians sometimes are too creative :P
14:11 PabloAB OK, we'll use uppercase, thanks a lot cait! :)
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14:19 tcohen should we limit subfield codes to ASCII chars?
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14:22 tcohen gmcharlt: does MARC::Record have any limitation on the subfield tags it can handle?
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14:30 cait PabloAB: we have used it for storing migration data - like old systemnumbers
14:31 cait no problems found so far
14:31 cait PabloAB: there is a new feature that will store the date something was set to withdrawn and lost... maybe custom status plus that could be a nice feature for you in the future -or a bindng module, but i don't see that coming right now
14:36 PabloAB Yes, sadly. Thanks a lot! Now I'll write something a little bit related to koha-devel, about nicely add defined "date subfields" nicely with Javascript.
14:39 cait sounds interesting :)
14:40 cait btw. i think $f is only used when you use acq... I didn't get to check,quite busy today
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14:45 gmcharlt tcohen: no
14:53 cait i think uppercase are a problem with solr iirc
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15:00 cait tcohen: hm i thnk one of the patches pushed to 3.12 doesn't do its job
15:00 tcohen which one??
15:00 wahanui which one is that? The fixed navbar?
15:00 cait se
15:00 cait c
15:01 cait fighting a bit with git
15:02 cait bug 10027
15:02 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10027 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Stable , Fine details not showing when printing a fine
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15:03 cait tcohen: trying to print a slip for a payment
15:03 tcohen let me check
15:03 tcohen that was a couple of days ago
15:04 cait aah, maybe we never fixed it for payments, but only for invoices
15:05 cait it looks likely
15:05 cait and there seems to be a regression between 3.6 (my only install i can compre it too) and 3.12.7
15:05 cait i will file a bug
15:06 tcohen ok
15:06 tcohen i only recall bug 10376
15:06 cait sorry, got confused :) 2 different slips
15:06 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10376 normal, P5 - low, ---,, Pushed to Stable , Printing cart does not work under IE9
15:06 tcohen ok :-D
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15:13 tcohen cait: do u remeber a situation where item type images are not listed on item type creation?
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15:14 rambutan gmcharlt is a poet
15:15 cait hm nope.
15:17 rambutan yes he is
15:17 cait that was for tcohen :)
15:17 rambutan :)
15:17 cait i agree about gmcharlt
15:17 * druthb pokes rambutan gently with her pointy stick.
15:18 rambutan ouch!
15:18 rambutan that hurt
15:19 druthb puh.  wimp.
15:19 gmcharlt apropos of absolutely nothing:[…]ded&v=jm3dm5J5r0A
15:26 oleonard Now we know what gmcharlt is getting all of us for Christmas
15:27 alphaman hairballs?
15:27 gmcharlt *cough*
15:27 gmcharlt *hack*
15:27 gmcharlt *cough*
15:28 oleonard alphaman: If your cat gives *you* hairballs then you're doing it wrong
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15:31 talljoy morning #koha
15:32 rambutan that's an unbelievably cooperative cat
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15:38 jenkins_koha Starting build #1556 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1547 6 days 18 hr ago)
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15:40 * druthb was confused for a moment.  Read rambutan's last as "an unbelievably cooperative cait" and was reading the scrollback—but cait is cooperative all the time….
15:41 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11249: DBRev <[…]b020968de863bd8ed> / Bug 11249: Add Db indexes on borrowers names <[…]9796debe80ae7b3a8>
15:41 rambutan has anybody actually tried to wrap her?
15:41 ashimema oh dear..
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15:42 ashimema from the sounds she's about to go drink lots of mulled wine.. I imagine she'd be muhc mroe co-operative after that rambutan ;)
15:43 tcohen hahahahahah
15:43 tcohen awesome gmcharlt
15:43 rambutan and actually, on that note, I've just been informed there's rum cake downstairs in the breakroom
15:43 rambutan brb
15:45 druthb gmcharlt:  I really liked your post on Meta Interchange.  Definitely food for thought, both inside and outside FOSS communities.
15:45 gmcharlt druthb: thanks
15:46 tcohen why a basket is not showing on "Ungrouped baskets" on a basket group?
15:47 gmcharlt tcohen: it is an individualist!  it will never join a grouop!
15:47 gmcharlt more seriously, is the basket in question open?
15:48 tcohen it is
15:49 gmcharlt does it belong to the same vendor?
15:49 tcohen yes
15:50 tcohen i've just created a new one
15:51 tcohen
15:52 tcohen
15:53 nengard what is the sys pref that lets you check out using title?
15:53 tcohen i'm puzzled gmcharlt
15:54 nengard @later tell cait just got your apology, no problem at all, I understand everyone's reaction :)
15:54 huginn nengard: The operation succeeded.
15:54 gmcharlt nengard: itemBarcodeFallbackSearch
15:54 nengard Thank you!!!!
15:54 nengard I couldn't find it  for the life of me
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16:03 jcamins gmcharlt: I have thought about it, and I think you should enact a new policy on Koha source code.
16:04 gmcharlt jcamins: oh?
16:05 jcamins gmcharlt: Koha should adopt a policy of "concrete source code," where the visual impression of the code invokes the essence of library automation.
16:05 * druthb blinks.
16:05 jcamins <-- like this, only executable
16:06 * druthb is occasionally left wondering what jcamins is talking about...
16:06 jcamins druthb: I found a link to a related concept to share!
16:06 druthb oh, no, I get that part, jcamins.
16:07 druthb I'm just wondering how one invokes the essence of library automation in that art form.
16:07 druthb By shaping your code like various archaic torture devices, perhaps?
16:07 jcamins I was looking for examples of concrete source code, but "concrete code" brings up information about pouring sidewalks.
16:07 gmcharlt jcamins: for when merely literate programming is not enough... ;)
16:07 jcamins druthb: pretty much, yah.
16:07 druthb or a pig, wearing lipstick, in the case of OPAC code?
16:08 jcamins With syntax highlighting definitions for vim and emacs built into each file so that the lipstick is a garish red.
16:08 druthb oooh!  Search code done to look like a Roulette wheel.
16:09 jcamins druthb: perfect!
16:09 wahanui perfect is the enemy of good
16:10 jcamins wahanui: perfect is also embodied in the concrete source code of the absurdist programming movement.
16:10 wahanui okay, jcamins.
16:10 jcamins perfect!
16:10 wahanui hmmm... perfect is embodied in the concrete source code of the absurdist programming movement.
16:10 jcamins Yesssss!
16:10 pastebot "gmcharlt" at pasted "for tcohen" (13 lines) at
16:11 * druthb reboots her jcamins parser.
16:11 gmcharlt @quote add <jcamins> perfect is also embodied in the concrete source code of the absurdist programming movement.
16:11 huginn gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.  Quote #286 added.
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16:27 reiveune bye
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16:30 drojf hi #koha
16:33 druthb drojf!
16:35 drojf druthb!
16:43 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7518: certain searches with quotation marks don't work <[…]2392068c2fdd3a35f> / Bug 7518: regression test double-quote in search operand <[…]d9f73ec05283f6892>
16:59 gmcharlt @later tell tcohen bug 11409
16:59 huginn gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
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17:32 gmcharlt nengard: I'd appreciate your comments on 11409
17:32 nengard checking now
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17:35 tcohen thanks gmcharlt
17:35 nengard replied
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17:43 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9807: (follow-up) quell warning if invoice price not set <[…]416778559cf66b074> / Bug 9807: (follow-up) reindent <[…]a1aaa85275264c73f> / Bug 9807: (follow-up) fix variable name <[…].git;a=commitdiff
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17:49 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1556: STILL UNSTABLE in 2 hr 13 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1556/
17:49 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 11249: Add Db indexes on borrowers names
17:49 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11249: DBRev
17:49 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11249 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Add db indexes on borrowers names
17:54 jenkins_koha Starting build #1557 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1547 6 days 21 hr ago)
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18:11 nengard was the restrictions tab added to the patron record in 3.14? or is that in master? not finding a bug number
18:13 tcohen its a 3.14 feature right?
18:13 oleonard Bug 2720
18:13 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2720 enhancement, P3, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Overdues which debar automatically should undebar automatically when returned
18:13 nengard see that's why i didn't find it :)
18:14 nengard nothing about restrictions tab in that title :)
18:14 nengard thanks
18:14 nengard will document that
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19:06 tcohen @later tell bgkriegel i'm about to push the latest stuff to 3.12.x, could you please update pootle?
19:06 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded.
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19:08 tcohen let the games begin
19:08 jenkins_koha Starting build #146 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #144 7 days 0 hr ago)
19:08 tcohen heh
19:09 cait hi #koha
19:10 jcamins 060676760 - real ISBN?
19:13 jcamins It was, with the additional leading zero.
19:14 tcohen bye #koha
19:17 cait interesting book?
19:18 jcamins cait: eh. I've forgotten what it was already.
19:18 jcamins Ecclesiastes.
19:22 cait ah
19:23 jcamins So... mostly just depressing.
19:27 cait @wunder Konstanz
19:27 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -2.2°C (8:25 PM CET on December 17, 2013). Conditions: Light Freezing Fog. Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028 hPa (Steady).
19:35 cait brrrr
19:36 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #146: STILL UNSTABLE in 27 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_3.12.x/146/
19:36 jenkins_koha * Zeno Tajoli: Bug 11222: fix crash that can occur in search for items to add to label batch
19:36 jenkins_koha * Sophie Meynieux: Bug 11125: Correct display for patron messaging preferences on OPAC
19:36 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 11275: make deleteditems.materials be of type text
19:36 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: DBRev
19:36 jenkins_koha * Rachel Dustin: Bug 11105: wrap places OPAC facet in a span
19:36 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 7484: keep selected values when changing search type on authority search form
19:36 jenkins_koha * Srdjan: Bug 11183: get rid of some log noise from the OPAC
19:36 jenkins_koha * Mark Tompsett: Bug 11242: fix display and warnings
19:36 jenkins_koha * Lyon3 Team: Bug 11059: fix date sorting of import batches in basket add form
19:36 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 11059: (follow-up) restore time in staged dates in
19:36 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11222 normal, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, Pushed to Stable , A regression on done by Bug 9239
19:36 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 11322: fix XSS bug in purchase suggestions pages
19:36 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 11322: fix XSS bug in purchase suggestions - OPAC
19:36 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 11322: rscrub bad data before storing suggestions in the DB
19:36 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 11341: fix XSS bug in (facets)
19:36 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 11077: remove uninitialized value $pki_field warning
19:36 jenkins_koha * Srdjan: Bug 11077: Correct more warnings in C4/
19:36 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11125 minor, P5 - low, ---, sophie.meynieux, Pushed to Stable , Remove Problematic Logic from Patron Messaging Preferences Form
19:36 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11275 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , make deleteditems.materials of type text
19:36 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11105 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, liz, Pushed to Stable , label - opac - places on facets not easily css selectable
19:36 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7484 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , Keeping typed values when searching for authorities
19:36 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11183 normal, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Stable , Warnings in opac
19:36 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11242 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Stable , fix bizarre ordering of data and noisy warnings
19:36 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11059 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , Not possible to sort staged dates in metric format
19:36 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11322 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Stable , Suggestion "notes" field should be sanitized or escaped
19:36 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11341 critical, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , XSS attack vector in facets in OPAC - prog theme
19:36 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11077 trivial, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Stable , Correct silent warnings in C4/
19:51 jenkins_koha Starting build #424 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS)
19:51 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #424: SUCCESS in 23 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_Docs/424/
19:51 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: patron restrictions
19:51 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add back missing circ summary image
19:51 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update checking out images
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20:00 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1557: STILL UNSTABLE in 2 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1557/
20:00 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 7518: regression test double-quote in search operand
20:00 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 7518: certain searches with quotation marks don't work
20:00 jenkins_koha * Mathieu Saby: Bug 9807 : Make it possible to view a basket group without reopening it
20:00 jenkins_koha * Mathieu Saby: Bug 9807: (follow-up) fix variable name
20:00 jenkins_koha * Mathieu Saby: Bug 9807: (follow-up) reindent
20:00 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 9807: (follow-up) quell warning if invoice price not set
20:00 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7518 normal, P3, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , searches with quotation marks don't work
20:00 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9807 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Pushed to Master , There should be a way to show the content of a basketgroup without reopening it
20:10 jenkins_koha Starting build #1558 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1547 6 days 23 hr ago)
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20:14 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch '3.16-help-split' of <[…]bded5a78d08dbb46d> / Translation update - split staff UI and help files <[…]65669f22cf7ff3e12>
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20:28 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
20:34 cait gmcharlt++
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21:00 tcohen rangi?
21:02 tcohen @later tell rangi I'm in trouble, need your advise
21:02 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded.
21:04 rangi whats up?
21:05 * cait sends coookies
21:06 tcohen Serials.t is failing
21:06 tcohen I cannot find recent changes that might have triggered this
21:06 rangi its failing locally too?
21:06 tcohen yes
21:07 rangi id use git bisect
21:07 rangi git bisect start
21:07 rangi git checkout v.3.12.06
21:07 rangi run tests if it passes
21:08 rangi git bisect good
21:08 rangi git checkout head of 3.12.x
21:08 rangi run tests
21:08 oleonard hi rangi, and bye #koha
21:08 rangi git bisect bad
21:08 tcohen bad
21:08 rangi and work from there
21:08 tcohen ok, thanks, I'll bisect it
21:08 rangi you need one good an one bad before it can do its magic
21:08 rangi it shouldnt take too long to find
21:11 cait git_bisect++
21:11 cait it's awesome
21:12 tcohen the thing is, I need to reload the DB each time I presume
21:12 rangi you shouldnt need to
21:13 rangi unless you think its a db structure change thats caused it?
21:17 tcohen yes "NOT NULL"
21:17 rangi ah then id just look for teh patch that changed that
21:17 rangi git blame on the file
21:19 tcohen thanks rangi, i'll do some research
21:19 tcohen and come back
21:19 rangi cool
21:35 mtompset git bisect?
21:35 wahanui rumour has it git bisect is our friend here
21:38 eythian hi
21:39 tcohen should a script return 0 for "good" rangi?
21:39 rangi thats the unix way
21:41 rangi do we actually do anything with the return value?
21:42 tcohen no, but I want to automatize the bisect process
21:42 tcohen so it loads the db and runs updatedatabase
21:42 rangi zero means no error
21:55 pastebot "tcohen" at pasted "rangi: Possible bisect script" (14 lines) at
21:57 tcohen useless output
21:58 rangi yep that outghta work, any non zero status will be classed a fail
22:04 tcohen rangi: is there a way to run bisect backwards? heh
22:04 cait ?
22:06 tcohen cait: so bisect returns the latest commit where the tests fail, or the first commit that fixes it
22:06 cait the one that broke it
22:06 cait ok, i think i am misunderstanding what you want to say :)
22:07 tcohen bisect tells you the first time the test would fail
22:07 tcohen i want the first that fixed it
22:07 tcohen is just silly
22:07 eythian tcohen: sure, invert your test
22:07 tcohen i need to revert the output
22:07 tcohen exactly
22:07 tcohen heh
22:09 eythian you'd want to make a smart wrapper script though, as there are special codes that git bisect uses (like 125) that you'd need to pass unaltered.
22:12 tcohen thanks for the tip eythian, i'm looking for documentation on that
22:12 eythian git bisect --help :)
22:14 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1558: STILL UNSTABLE in 2 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1558/
22:14 jenkins_koha Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Translation update - split staff UI and help files
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22:26 tcohen rangi, eythian, cait: false alarm
22:26 eythian I wasn't alarmed.
22:26 tcohen its been failing from the beggining
22:26 tcohen hahaha
22:27 tcohen its just jenkins that didn't raise any alarm
22:27 tcohen the current failure is related to environmental changes for the jenkins execution
22:28 tcohen inverting the output of the script I found that recently gmcharlt fixed the Serials.t so they serve a purpose (finally)
22:36 tcohen thanks rangi
22:36 tcohen cya
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22:46 dcook @wunder sydney, australia
22:46 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 24.0°C (9:30 AM EST on December 18, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady).
22:47 dcook Hmm. Feels hotter than that...
22:47 dcook 26 on Christmas...that's not horrible
22:49 eythian @wunder nzwn
22:49 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 20.0°C (11:30 AM NZDT on December 18, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
22:54 dcook Wellington seems a bit nicer at the moment
22:54 rambutan @wunder 64507
22:54 huginn rambutan: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is 4.9°C (4:54 PM CST on December 17, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.29 in 1026 hPa (Rising).
22:55 cait eythian: the dailyreport... still no sun here
22:55 cait @wunder Konstanz
22:55 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -1.7°C (11:55 PM CET on December 17, 2013). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady).
22:55 dcook Hmm, frosty
22:56 eythian cait: that's not so nice.
22:56 cait nope
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23:29 * francharb waves at #koha
23:30 dcook hey ya francharb
23:30 francharb hi dcook
23:31 dcook It's a bit early/late, no?
23:33 francharb hum, I'm in ottawa, it's 6:30pm
23:33 francharb not that late
23:33 francharb ;)
23:34 dcook Ah, well, that will do it!
23:34 francharb getting ready for a training tomorrow
23:34 francharb on serials
23:34 dcook Despite originally being from Saskatchewan, I have no idea what time it is anywhere but Australia these days :p
23:34 dcook Fun times ;)
23:35 francharb analytical records with unimarc : easy but now that I have to work with marc21
23:35 francharb I'm kind of lost
23:35 francharb ;)
23:35 * dcook googles quickly
23:35 dcook So you're at inLibro now?
23:35 francharb yes
23:35 francharb a mounth now
23:35 dcook That's awesome!
23:36 francharb :)
23:36 francharb what do you do dcook, system librarian, right?
23:36 dcook Whereabouts is inLibro located?
23:36 dcook Yep
23:37 dcook I work over at Prosentient Systems in Sydney, Australia
23:37 francharb inlibro is located in montreal
23:37 dcook We host and develop Koha, DSpace, and a few others
23:37 dcook Ah, Montreal
23:37 * dcook is jealous
23:38 francharb how often do you come back in canada?
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23:40 dcook Not very often at all
23:40 dcook I've only been down here 2 years but it's been once a year
23:40 dcook Mostly coincidental though. The first time was to finish my MLIS and the second was for Kohacon ;)
23:42 dcook What made you decide to move to Canada from France?
23:42 francharb my partner is from montreal
23:43 francharb we met in montreal a couple years ago
23:43 francharb so actually, we came back
23:43 francharb ;)
23:43 dcook hehe
23:43 dcook Very cool :)
23:43 dcook I think I would like to live in Montreal one day
23:43 dcook I have some friends there and loved it when I visited
23:43 francharb I'm pretty happy about it
23:44 dcook When I went to grad school, it was either Montreal or Vancouver, but I chose Vancouver (which led me to Australia, my wife, and I'm pretty happy)
23:44 francharb :)
23:45 francharb ahhh love
23:45 francharb ...
23:45 francharb ;)
23:45 dcook hehe
23:45 dcook I'm still a bit jealous anyway ;)
23:46 dcook Oh well. We'll just have to come out and visit sometime in the next few years.
23:46 francharb sure!
23:46 dcook If you have any questions about analytic records with marc21, I might be able to help
23:46 dcook We've been doing them more and more recently
23:46 francharb :)
23:46 francharb actually yes
23:47 francharb how can I put this clearly...
23:47 jcamins dcook: if they're looking to bring someone to Montreal to talk about MARC21 analytic records, I'm a lot closer. :P
23:47 dcook shhh, quiet you, jcamins :p
23:47 francharb :)
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23:48 francharb so
23:48 dcook evening, ebegin
23:48 ebegin good evening !
23:49 ebegin hey francharb ! working late !
23:49 francharb 773 or 774 gives you a link from the child record to the host record righ?
23:49 dcook 773, yes
23:49 ebegin 772 and 773
23:49 wahanui 1545
23:49 dcook You can supply the host's biblionumber in the child's 773$0
23:49 francharb is there a field to give you the opposite? from host to child record?
23:50 dcook That would be the 774 I believe
23:50 dcook But I'm not sure Koha uses it
23:50 * dcook looks over at jcamins
23:50 rsd30 Hi...I am a noob to Koha and have inherited a system running Koha version 3.06 on Ubuntu 10.04.4 LTS.  Our librarian is having difficulty cataloging books using Library of Congress records?  Is there a service on the server that needs to be restarted possibly?
23:50 jcamins Yes 774, and no, it is not used.
23:51 jcamins rsd30: no, but you might need to open up ports on your firewall.
23:51 drojf i will add 774 to the xslt i think. i have it in a local copy
23:51 dcook drojf!
23:51 drojf dcook!
23:52 jcamins Please do. I thought I'd submitted a patch for that, but apparently not.
23:52 dcook Still busy with uni or is it holidays yet?
23:52 dcook Using the 774 would be nice
23:52 francharb does the analytical feature also add a 773$9 with the itemnumber$
23:52 francharb ?
23:52 drojf ok, i'll try to remember that. i know a library that wants to use it too. (or, i want them to use it ^^)
23:53 francharb I need to test it but I have only the unimarc in mind for now...
23:53 jcamins EasyAnalytics does.
23:53 francharb okkkkkkkk
23:53 rsd30 It has been working up until a few days ago when the server was powered off during a power outage?  No firewall config changes as of late?
23:53 ebegin rsd30, that's cool. You could have be stuck with a pre-3.0 version
23:53 francharb I just mapped what I knew with unimarc to marc21
23:53 jcamins rsd30: and everything other than copy cataloging works?
23:53 francharb thanks dcook, jcamins
23:53 dcook Any time :)
23:54 dcook ebegin, francharb: If you don't mind me asking, which provinces do you have clients in? Is it only Quebec and Ontario?
23:54 rsd30 as far as I I said I am a noob.  There is an OCLC server setup as well and it reports data, just not from Library of Congress
23:55 ebegin dcook, BC, QC and NS
23:55 * dcook wants to promote Koha among his friends and colleagues back in Canada but isn't sure what Koha vendors are around for them
23:55 dcook BC? Really? Wow..
23:55 ebegin yep
23:55 dcook In Vancouver or other places?
23:55 jcamins rsd30: oh, could a few days ago have been two weeks ago?
23:55 ebegin Yes, Vancouver
23:55 wahanui Vancouver is home to and the local uni has a co-op studies dept, so there should be quite a few.
23:55 jcamins LC changed their URL.
23:56 dcook That's awesome :)
23:56 jcamins rsd30:
23:56 ebegin i <3 vancouver
23:56 francharb dcook, if they are looking for a trainer with a perfectly spoken broken english, here I am! ;)
23:56 rsd30 She just reported it two days ago right after we brought our datacenter back up
23:56 dcook ebegin: Me too. I did my MLIS there and fell in love with it.
23:56 rsd30 yest that is the server info I am using
23:56 dcook ebegin: Although I also love Montreal. I think there should be tunnels connecting Australia with Vancouver and Montreal ;)
23:57 jcamins rsd30: in that case, I'm not sure.
23:57 francharb tunnel++
23:57 ebegin Vancouver is warmer :)
23:57 dcook francharb: I'll keep that in mind :)
23:57 rsd30 thanks
23:57 ebegin @wunder montreal quebec
23:57 huginn ebegin: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is -17.0°C (6:17 PM EST on December 17, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: -19.0°C. Windchill: -27.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Falling).
23:57 dcook Warmer, mountains, beaches, ocean...
23:57 dcook @wunder yvr
23:57 ebegin @wunder ottawa on
23:57 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Burkeville, Richmond, British Columbia is 6.0°C (3:57 PM PST on December 17, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.11 in 1020 hPa (Rising).
23:57 huginn ebegin: Error: No such location could be found.
23:57 ebegin @wunder ottawa ontario
23:57 huginn ebegin: The current temperature in General Burns, Ottawa, Ontario is -16.8°C (6:57 PM EST on December 17, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: -19.0°C. Windchill: -17.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
23:58 dcook @wunder yqr
23:58 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Regina, Saskatchewan is -9.0°C (5:00 PM CST on December 17, 2013). Conditions: Low Drifting Snow. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: -12.0°C. Windchill: -19.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Falling).
23:58 dcook Wow, Saskatchewan is warmer than the East for once..
23:58 francharb @wunder sydney australia
23:58 huginn francharb: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 25.0°C (10:30 AM EST on December 18, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady).
23:58 dcook hehe
23:59 francharb summertime
23:59 dcook Waiting for the bus this morning, I felt like my legs were on fire :p
23:59 * dcook thinks it feels warmer than 25
23:59 ebegin and here, it feels colder than -17, believe me

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