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eythian |
wahanui: status |
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wahanui |
Since Wed Nov 20 21:29:42 2013, there have been 324 modifications and 78 questions. I have been awake for 13 days, 4 hours, 3 minutes, 3 seconds this session, and currently reference 34434 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode. |
| 01:33 |
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eythian |
anyone know anything about doing bulk patron imports and populating patron attributes at the same time? |
| 01:33 |
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wizzyrea |
you mean through the interface |
| 01:33 |
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wizzyrea |
? |
| 01:35 |
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eythian |
yeah |
| 01:35 |
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wizzyrea |
I believe it is documented |
| 01:35 |
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dcook |
Sounds familiar but I'm not sure that's possible in the older Koha that I use |
| 01:36 |
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wizzyrea |
Tip: If loading patron attributes, the 'patron_attributes' field should contain a comma-separated list of attribute types and values. |
| 01:36 |
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wizzyrea |
^ is in the online help |
| 01:36 |
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eythian |
yeah, just found it in the manual |
| 01:36 |
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wizzyrea |
\o/ |
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eythian |
documentation eh. Who'da though. |
| 01:36 |
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dcook |
hehe |
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wizzyrea |
:D |
| 01:37 |
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eythian |
patron_attributes isn't documented on the actual page, which is a bit silly. |
| 01:37 |
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wizzyrea |
yea, it is. |
| 01:37 |
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wizzyrea |
actually it's a bit silly how it's documented period. |
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wizzyrea |
truly, users do not know to check the online help. |
| 01:39 |
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wizzyrea |
it's actually really helpful! |
| 01:39 |
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wizzyrea |
well sometimes not. but usually. |
| 01:40 |
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eythian |
Next question: how do I tell libreoffice to prefix every cell in a column with a fixed string? |
| 01:40 |
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jcamins |
Ugh. |
| 01:40 |
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jcamins |
My e-mail filter stopped working. |
| 01:41 |
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wizzyrea |
http://en.libreofficeforum.org/node/2506 |
| 01:41 |
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wizzyrea |
curses. |
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eythian |
oh hey, it's jcamins's favourite! |
| 01:43 |
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jcamins |
His e-mail address changed. |
| 01:43 |
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jcamins |
And he's too important to use a last name. |
| 01:48 |
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eythian |
Like Madonna |
| 01:50 |
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rangi |
yeah im not sure that he even gets a say |
| 01:50 |
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jcamins |
rangi: he volunteered to RMaint 3.6.x. If he does that, he gets a say. |
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eythian |
he hasn't actually done more than volunteer though |
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jcamins |
eythian: right, he gets a say when he RMaints for 3.6.x. |
| 01:53 |
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eythian |
This borrower data uses the "title" field for both "Dr" and "Do no lend." |
| 01:53 |
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eythian |
I'm not totally sure how to resolve this. |
| 01:54 |
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jcamins |
eythian: don't allow doctors to borrow books. |
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rangi |
http://paste.koha-community.org/14 |
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rangi |
ok ? |
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rangi |
before i hit send |
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eythian |
I think so |
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jcamins |
Sounds fine to me. |
| 01:55 |
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eythian |
It's only about the 15th time he's weighed in while confused. |
| 01:55 |
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rangi |
yeah |
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rangi |
chris_n++ |
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rangi |
ill leave it |
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* eythian |
contatenats "title" with the notes field, and also inserts it as "title." I'll let the library sort it out. |
| 02:14 |
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eythian |
oh hey, the unique ID field has duplicates. |
| 02:14 |
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dcook |
confetti |
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wahanui |
o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` |
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jcamins |
more confetti |
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wahanui |
o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`' |
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jcamins |
even more confetti |
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jcamins |
eythian: sorry, you only get two servings of confetti. |
| 02:21 |
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eythian |
:< |
| 02:25 |
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eythian |
Oh hey, there's an old uni friend in this borrowers database (and his data is being problematic.) |
| 02:26 |
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jcamins |
eythian: perfect. Charge him a fine. |
| 02:26 |
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eythian |
I should! |
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jcamins |
"I was migrating your data, and ran into problems with it, so I am fining you one gourmet beer." |
| 02:27 |
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eythian |
I feel this is quite acceptable. |
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jcamins |
Pffft. |
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* jcamins |
just saw the kohadevreactions gif. |
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jcamins |
Well, the e-mail it was about. |
| 03:25 |
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jcamins |
I'm all for next generation library systems, that's arguably what Biblionarrator is, but... really? |
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Dyrcona |
jcamins: got a link to the gif? |
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* Dyrcona |
suspects he knows what it is about. |
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mtj |
http://kohadevreactions.tumblr[…]image/68930259566 |
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mtj |
http://list.evergreen-ils.org/[…]ember/000636.html |
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mtj |
just reading it now... |
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Dyrcona |
Thanks. I did find the image with Google. Should have just looked first. |
| 03:44 |
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Dyrcona |
Yeah, I know all about the email. |
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mtj |
…pretty bizarre stuff, considering the terms 'last gen' and 'next gen' are absolutely meaningless O_o |
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dcook |
hehe |
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dcook |
I love looking at Kohadevreactions after a while |
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dcook |
It never fails to amuse |
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Dyrcona |
I like the on about "you don't pay me." I tell Evergreen folks that all the time. |
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mtompset |
Greetings, #koha. |
| 04:22 |
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mtompset |
Question: what might cause duplicate report listings in the guided reports? |
| 04:32 |
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dcook |
Different report numbers and same name? |
| 04:32 |
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dcook |
Off the top of my head, pressing "Save" twice when originally saving the repor |
| 04:32 |
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dcook |
report* |
| 04:32 |
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dcook |
But that's just a guess |
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mtompset |
duplicate authorized values, I think. :) |
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mtompset |
okay... deleted duplicate ids... how do I check for data consistency? |
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mtompset |
woo hoo! I think I'm in the clear. |
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mtompset |
Have a great day, #koha. |
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paxed |
catalogue/advsearch.tt: <option value="l-format:fk" >Braille</option> |
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paxed |
according to _what_ format?! |
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gives an early wave |
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reiveune |
hello |
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magnuse |
huh, is there something seriously wrong with my browser, or is the "add serial" screen behaving weirdly in master? |
| 08:23 |
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magnuse |
ah, might be because i did not install nb-NO after the upgrade... |
| 08:29 |
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magnuse |
ok, so every time i start writing something into a form in the intranet, focus jumps to "search the catalog" or at least one of the search fields at the top of the page... anyone else seen that? |
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magnuse |
restarted browser and still the same thing happens |
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magnuse |
only happens using translations, not when english is chosen |
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gaetan_B |
hello |
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wahanui |
niihau, gaetan_B |
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ashimema |
morning all |
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ashimema |
cait, you about? |
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cait |
kind of :) |
| 09:09 |
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cait |
morning :) |
| 09:10 |
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ashimema |
Am I OK to QA bug 10944 (the amazon images over https one) |
| 09:10 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10944 minor, P5 - low, ---, robin, Signed Off , Mixed content warnings in results and detail with Amazon images on https |
| 09:10 |
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ashimema |
I think your issues are just ssl seetup problems unrelated to the bug itself.. (and bootstrap?) |
| 09:10 |
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cait |
yep |
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cait |
bit embarassed i missed bootstrap |
| 09:10 |
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cait |
but what was also weird was that i had the images in staff over https when it was http? |
| 09:10 |
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ashimema |
haha no worries, it caught me out for a while too |
| 09:11 |
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ashimema |
yeah, Liz has explained that in a comment.. |
| 09:11 |
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ashimema |
Robin chose to set https for imaages in staff at all times.. it doesn't do any harm. |
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ashimema |
there's no using_https template param to latch onto in staff client from the looks.. |
| 09:12 |
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ashimema |
so I was thinking that was ok? |
| 09:12 |
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cait |
ah ok |
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cait |
haven't caught up with mails yet |
| 09:12 |
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ashimema |
unless yo can think of a regression thats somehow brought in by using https in the staff client? |
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cait |
i am ok with that |
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cait |
i am only worried a bit about com vs. de |
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cait |
if anything |
| 09:12 |
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ashimema |
I'll be trying to work through that as part of my qa.. |
| 09:12 |
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cait |
still wondering if itwill give the same results hm. |
| 09:13 |
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ashimema |
likewise for .co.uk and the other locales. |
| 09:13 |
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cait |
it should not be too hard to test, but i have not very good data (not many covers) |
| 09:13 |
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cait |
yeah but i imagine the english speaking ones to be a bit more similar |
| 09:13 |
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cait |
but it might be all one data pool anyway |
| 09:13 |
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ashimema |
good point |
| 09:15 |
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* cait |
thinks the easiestwould be to kill the amazon cover feature... :P |
| 09:19 |
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cait |
ok, i guess i won't get far with that suggestion, but what you wrote sounds good |
| 09:28 |
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ashimema |
I think images always came form amazon.com without localisation looking at the code cait.. so it doesn't look like a regression to me? |
| 09:28 |
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cait |
ah good, then i am all ok with it |
| 09:30 |
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ashimema |
Still going through code.. but it certainly appears that way so far. |
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pablito |
hi all |
| 09:33 |
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pablito |
after cleaning my MARC data to import into Koha, I now can't see the Call Number for my books in Koha |
| 09:34 |
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cait |
pablito: where did you put the callnumber? |
| 09:34 |
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pablito |
i used the 952$o subfield for the call number |
| 09:35 |
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pablito |
the call number shows under "Full Call Number", but not under "Call Number" of the OPAC search |
| 09:35 |
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cait |
pablito: but the items got generated? |
| 09:35 |
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pablito |
yes |
| 09:35 |
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pablito |
I can send you my koha mapping |
| 09:35 |
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pablito |
what's the paste url? |
| 09:35 |
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cait |
hm where is full call number? |
| 09:37 |
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cait |
i can think of different things |
| 09:37 |
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cait |
so the callnumber shows in cataloguing but not in the opac? |
| 09:37 |
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pablito |
yes |
| 09:37 |
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pablito |
in cataloging only |
| 09:37 |
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cait |
result and detail page? |
| 09:38 |
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pablito |
yes |
| 09:38 |
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cait |
that is weird. |
| 09:38 |
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cait |
can you see the other item data in opac? |
| 09:39 |
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cait |
is only the callnumber missing or is the item not showing up at all on the detail page? |
| 09:39 |
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pablito |
In OPAC, the books show up |
| 09:39 |
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pablito |
under the holding table, it doesn't show the call number |
| 09:40 |
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pablito |
though it shows the holding library, barcode, and availability |
| 09:40 |
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cait |
interesting. |
| 09:40 |
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wahanui |
i heard interesting was sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 09:40 |
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cait |
you didn't do any jquery customizations i guess? |
| 09:41 |
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cait |
does it not show up in staff too? |
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pablito |
sorry, lost wifi signal |
| 09:43 |
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pastebot |
"pablito" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "my marc mapping" (60 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/15 |
| 09:47 |
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cait |
it looks ok to me for the items |
| 09:47 |
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cait |
how are your items formatted? |
| 09:47 |
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cait |
it should be only one 952 for each item |
| 09:47 |
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cait |
not multiple 952 |
| 09:48 |
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pablito |
even when I tried to do the itemcallnumber mapping in system preferences to 852hi, it still would not show |
| 09:50 |
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cait |
852$h$i won't work in Koha i nthink |
| 09:50 |
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cait |
952$o is alright |
| 09:50 |
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cait |
I can't see why it would show up in cataloguing |
| 09:50 |
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cait |
could you try something? |
| 09:50 |
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cait |
add an item manually |
| 09:50 |
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cait |
and see if that shows up like it should in your opac |
| 09:52 |
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pablito |
ok, let's put this issue aside, i have another issue with another koha server |
| 09:53 |
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pablito |
if you don't mind :-) |
| 09:54 |
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pablito |
I loaded the same MARC data to another server, call it PROD SERVER, and I can't even search for anything; there is no results, even though on the import, I can see thousands of records |
| 09:54 |
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pablito |
i think it's a misconfiguration issue |
| 09:57 |
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pablito |
ok |
| 10:00 |
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cait |
maybe it's just your zebra server not running? |
| 10:00 |
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pablito |
you mean for my 2nd issue with the PROD SERVER? |
| 10:01 |
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pablito |
how would i start the zebra server? |
| 10:01 |
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cait |
yes, if you can't search it's more likely a zebra than an import problem |
| 10:01 |
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cait |
like the new records not being indexed |
| 10:01 |
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cait |
zebra server not running |
| 10:01 |
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cait |
cronjob not activated to update the index periodically |
| 10:01 |
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cait |
things like that |
| 10:02 |
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cait |
ashimema++ |
| 10:03 |
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ashimema |
? |
| 10:05 |
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pablito |
actually, I ran the "top" program and saw " zebrasrv" running |
| 10:17 |
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pablito |
cait: i have to go, thanks again for your help |
| 10:18 |
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magnuse |
search faq? |
| 10:18 |
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wahanui |
search faq is http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/ |
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* cait |
waves |
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* ashimema |
rejoices |
| 10:41 |
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cait |
:) |
| 10:41 |
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magnuse |
can budgets in acq be used for keeping track of spendings on serials? |
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cait |
magnuse: yes, since 3.12 |
| 11:12 |
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cait |
before it was not really liked well together |
| 11:14 |
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magnuse |
cool |
| 11:14 |
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cait |
look for order from subscriptoin |
| 11:14 |
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magnuse |
i did some exploration and found something that seemed to work |
| 11:14 |
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magnuse |
yeah, found that :-) |
| 11:14 |
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magnuse |
i'm always a bit overwhelmed by acq, though... |
| 11:21 |
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* cait |
sends cookies |
| 11:21 |
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cait |
understandable :) |
| 11:27 |
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paxed |
what does the "Popularity" search result sorting depend on, number of loans for that title? or the stars given to it? or what? |
| 11:30 |
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magnuse |
paxed: i think it should be number of loans, but not sure how well it works |
| 11:33 |
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paxed |
ah. thanks. |
| 11:35 |
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paxed |
if i've found half a dozen typos, do i file separate bug for each? |
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cait |
hi khall |
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cait |
:) |
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khall |
mornin cait! |
| 12:06 |
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khall |
mornin #koha! |
| 12:06 |
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khall |
FYI, bug 6427 is ready for testing! |
| 12:06 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6427 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Rewrite of the accounts system |
| 12:06 |
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khall |
I've tested it on a sandbox, so you can test there as well |
| 12:08 |
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magnuse |
paxed: maybe group them by "module"/functionality, if possible? |
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cait |
paxed: number of loans - you can calculate it directly or via cronjob (smaller performance hit) - look in your sysprfs |
| 12:12 |
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cait |
khall: updae scripts done? :) |
| 12:12 |
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cait |
khall: one thought i had while reading the commit message was that migrations might be a bit harder with 3 tables instead of 1 |
| 12:12 |
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khall |
cait: Yes, but it'll need some testing! |
| 12:13 |
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cait |
but we will figure it out |
| 12:13 |
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cait |
or even 4 tables i think |
| 12:13 |
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khall |
cait: yes, they will be "a bit" harder. The key is, for migrations you can just ignore account_offsets if you want to and just put fines in account_debits and payments in account_credits |
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cait |
hm and you'd have to calculate the total i think? |
| 12:14 |
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khall |
yes, but I plan on writing a command line script to trigger the recalculation as well |
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cait |
ah yes, that makes sense |
| 12:15 |
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khall |
there's already a subroutine to do that, so the cli script is near trivial |
| 12:15 |
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cait |
wasn't magnuse here like a second ago? *nudge* |
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* paxed |
posts to both -devel and -translate because topic that makes him see red. |
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* chris_n |
passes out glazed crescents |
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cait |
paxed: probably not aware that you are argueing wiht me ;) |
| 12:48 |
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cait |
chris_n: glazed crescents? |
| 12:48 |
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paxed |
cait: oh, right - i saw you changing your nick few days ago. arguing? well... just a very passionate topic for me :) |
| 12:49 |
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cait |
yeah, but complaining doesn't help |
| 12:49 |
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cait |
improving yes |
| 12:49 |
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cait |
and maybe also keep in mind that most of the translation improvements have been done as volunteer work |
| 12:50 |
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cait |
aslibraries are not funding things like this directly |
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in my experience, someone might prove me wrong |
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paxed |
cait: unfortunately i'm in the middle of a translation crunch - i need to get Koha more-or-less translated to Finnish before go on vacation next week - so my coding time is very limited. |
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cait |
that's ok, just something to keep in mind |
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paxed |
(i'll try to complain less in the future and use constructive criticism instead...) |
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cait |
i have posted some notes to your list |
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cait |
hope it doesn't make your blood boil again :) |
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francharb |
Good morning #koha |
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hi francharb :) |
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drojf |
hi #koha |
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cait |
hi drojf! |
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is tempted to superglue drojf to #koha so he can't disappear again ;) |
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cait |
how is your thesis? finished? |
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mtompset |
Greetings, #koha. |
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mtompset |
marcelr++ # for continually following up on a multi-person patched bug report. |
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magnuse |
there's still no batch marc record modifcation tool in koha, right? |
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magnuse |
and MARC Modifications Templates only work for records that are staged/imported, not for z39.50, right? |
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mtompset |
No that I know of, and I don't know but that sounds right. |
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mtompset |
^No^Not^ |
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cait |
magnuse: right |
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magnuse |
dang ;-) |
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alex__ |
hello, i have a question regarding setting up z39.50 in koha. I have configured the file koha-conf.xml and uncommented the part about the z39.50 and have put port 210. what else do I need to do in order for z39.50 to work? we are new to koha and i think we probaly havent configured our system properly. thanx! |
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cait |
alex_what do you want to do? :) |
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cait |
do you want to download records form other catalogs into your koha? or do you want others to download records via z39.50 from your catalog into theirs? |
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alex__ |
we want to be able to use z39.50 for cataloging purposes |
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alex__ |
but our IT staff have told us that the service needs t be running in order to apply their changes on the network |
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alex__ |
for the tome being we want to download recodrs via z39.50 |
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jcamins |
alex__: they just have to allow you to make connections out to the ports used by whatever Z39.50 servers you are using. |
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alex__ |
this is what i thought too |
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jcamins |
There's not really a "service" that will be running. |
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alex__ |
but they insist that a service must be running |
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alex__ |
ok |
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jcamins |
You'll need ports 210 and 7090 opened, at for the default targets, but you could add other targets that used different ports, potentially. |
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alex__ |
in this case, i only need to apply the port on the koha-conf.xml file, correct?> |
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jcamins |
No. |
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jcamins |
koha-conf.xml has nothing to do with downloading records for copy cataloging. |
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alex__ |
oh ok because i say a part about z39.50 |
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alex__ |
i saw |
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jcamins |
Yeah, but that's if you want to allow other people to download records. |
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alex__ |
ok i see |
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alex__ |
so if we open ports 210 aqnd 7090 we should be ok |
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alex__ |
thanks gyus |
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cait |
ah sorry, got distracted |
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cait |
reading back |
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cait |
ah, thx jcamins |
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cait |
alex_: it can work 2 directions, for use in cataloguing you just need the configuration in administration and the ports must be open in your firewall |
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cait |
guess the super glue didn't work |
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chris_n |
cait: it was probably out of date |
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gets caught on spelling again: glazed croissants |
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cait |
have to run -bbl :) |
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reiveune |
bye |
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rambutan |
At KohaCon13 someone (can't recall, maybe bag or nengard) mentioned OverDrive could be integrated with Koha.... |
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rambutan |
however I suspect that would work with an individual subscription. Any idea if that would work at all if we were part of a state consortium? |
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Dyrcona |
rambutan: When you say, "OverDrive could be integrated with Koha" do you mean via the OverDrive API? |
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rambutan |
I assume that's what was meant, yes. |
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Dyrcona |
Thank. I asked out of curiosity. Evergreen doesn't have that kind of integration available, yet. |
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Dyrcona |
My consortium does have OverDrive and we load bib records so that they can be searched, but that's about it. |
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rambutan |
where do you get your records? We have some ebooks from OD that we pay for separately, and our TS has manually entered the records. |
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Dyrcona |
Yeah, out TS enters them. I'm not sure where they get the records, probably OCLC, maybe from OverDrive. |
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Dyrcona |
I offered to script it, but they said no. |
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Dyrcona |
Guess they like doing busy work. |
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bag |
rambutan: it should work yes |
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rambutan |
with the consortium you mean? |
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rambutan |
http://www.molib2go.org |
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gmcharlt |
jcamins: do you have any experience with libraries that mix in non-EACC CCCII characters with EACC? particularly Japanese Z39.50 targets? |
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gmcharlt |
@later tell dcook MARC::Record and friends are already mentioned in http://wiki.code4lib.org/index[…]Working_with_MARC -- see the entry for MARC/Perl |
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huginn |
gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. |
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chris_n |
lunch |
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gaetan_B |
bye |
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tcohen |
hi there |
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rambutan |
hi tcohen |
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jcamins |
gmcharlt: I do not. But I'm sure there are libraries that do that. |
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gmcharlt |
jcamins: indeed, I found one today while looking into Zac's question on the mailing list today |
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gmcharlt |
I'm more wondering if mixing in CCCII characters is ad hoc or a de factor standard in select lanaguge zones |
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thd |
All the CJK Z39.50 targets which I have tried used UTF8 if I remember correctly but I would have some strange matches in queries of targets in Japan. |
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thd |
s/used UTF8/used UTF8, except for some big5 encoding in some Chinese targets which I tried,/ |
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tcohen |
hi thd! |
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thd |
Hello tcohen |
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Bruce_ |
Have I miscalculated the start time for the December meeting? |
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davidnind |
Hi Bruce_. No - we just need someone to volunteer to chair... |
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nancyk |
I thought it was now |
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Bruce_ |
Oh good. At least I'm not alone in my delusion! |
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gmcharlt |
it is indeed now |
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* gmcharlt |
doesn't have time to chair today, however |
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* Bruce_ |
doesn't have the knowledge of how to record the meeting. Is there a FAQ? |
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davidnind |
I'll give it a go - http://meetbot.debian.net/Manual.html |
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davidnind |
I may be a bit slow, unless there is anyone else willing? |
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Bruce_ |
Willing, but clue-deficient. Only my second meeting. |
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davidnind |
I've done it once before, so hear goes again. |
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thd |
I nominate anyone more awake than me. |
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davidnind |
#startmeeting |
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wahanui |
if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me |
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huginn |
davidnind: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' |
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wahanui |
i already had it that way, huginn. |
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davidnind |
#startmeeting IRC General Meeting 4 December 2013 |
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huginn |
Meeting started Wed Dec 4 18:11:47 2013 UTC. The chair is davidnind. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
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huginn |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. |
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Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: IRC General Meeting 4 December 2013) |
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huginn |
The meeting name has been set to 'irc_general_meeting_4_december_2013' |
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davidnind |
#topic Introductions |
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Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: IRC General Meeting 4 December 2013) |
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wahanui |
#info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
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davidnind |
#info David Nind, Wellington NZ |
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gmcharlt |
#info gmcharlt = Galen Charlton, ESI, Seattle, USA; 3.16 release manager |
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Bruce_ |
?info Bruce Metcalf, Augustan Society Library, Orlando FL US |
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jwagner |
#info Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS |
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tcohen |
#info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Universidad Nacional de Cordoba, Argentina |
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joels68 |
#info Joel Sasse, Plum Creek Library system, Minnesota |
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thd |
#info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City - not dead yet |
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nancyk |
#info Nancy Keener Washoe County Library System |
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JesseM |
#info Jesse Maseto ByWater Solutions |
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bag |
#info Brendan Gallagher ByWater |
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nengard |
#info Nicole Engard, ByWater Solutions |
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davidnind |
Whew! We do have some people here. |
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davidnind |
#topic Announcements |
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Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: IRC General Meeting 4 December 2013) |
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davidnind |
Does anyone one have any announcements they wish to make? |
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davidnind |
The videos that are available from KohaCon13 are now online at https://archive.org/search.php[…]3A%22kohacon13%22 |
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nengard |
KohaCon14 will be held in C?rdoba, Argentina on October 6th through 13. |
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bag |
agenda? |
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wahanui |
i heard agenda was a wiki |
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nengard |
And I would add that not the entire conference was recorded - so what's on the internet archive is all I got from the conference organizers |
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gmcharlt |
#link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…],_4_December_2013 |
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bag |
thanks gmcharlt |
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khall |
#info Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutions |
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davidnind |
#info KohaCon14 will be held in Cordoba, Argentina on October 6th through 13 |
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davidnind |
#info he videos that are available from KohaCon13 are now online at https://archive.org/search.php[…]3A%22kohacon13%22 |
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barton |
#info barton |
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davidnind |
#topic Update on 3.8 |
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Topic for #koha is now Update on 3.8 (Meeting topic: IRC General Meeting 4 December 2013) |
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davidnind |
Is anyone able to provide an update on 3.8? |
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barton |
#info Barton Chittenden, ByWater Solutions |
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davidnind |
3.8.20 released on 30 November |
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davidnind |
On agenda to discuss |
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magnuse |
#info Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway |
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davidnind |
#topic Update on 3.10 |
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Topic for #koha is now Update on 3.10 (Meeting topic: IRC General Meeting 4 December 2013) |
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talljoy |
#info joy Nelson ByWater |
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davidnind |
Anyone able to provide an update on 3.10? |
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bag |
guess not |
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davidnind |
Okay, moving right along to the next item.... |
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davidnind |
#topic Update on 3.12 |
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Topic for #koha is now Update on 3.12 (Meeting topic: IRC General Meeting 4 December 2013) |
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davidnind |
Anyone able to provide an update on 3.12? |
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davidnind |
Okay, moving right along .... |
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bag |
are all the maints on much different timezones? |
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bag |
I guess os |
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bag |
so* |
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davidnind |
Not sure..ah well |
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davidnind |
3.12.7 released on 22 November |
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davidnind |
#topic Update on 3.14 |
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Topic for #koha is now Update on 3.14 (Meeting topic: IRC General Meeting 4 December 2013) |
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gmcharlt |
I've communicated with Fridolin and expect that he'll start to push patches into 3.14.x soon |
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bag |
sweet |
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davidnind |
Great! Also least we forget 3.14 was released in November - thanks to everyone involved @gmcharlt++ |
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gmcharlt |
details, details ;) |
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tcohen |
i'm sorry i was absent a few minutes ago |
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nengard |
gmcharlt++ |
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davidnind |
gmcharlt++ |
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tcohen |
gmcharlt++ |
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talljoy |
gmcharlt++ |
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joels68 |
gmcharlt++ |
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JesseM |
gmcharlt++ |
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Bruce_ |
gmcharlt++ 3.14 has features I didn't know I desperately needed! |
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gmcharlt |
all_you_all++ # without everybody else, I would have nothing to do |
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thd |
gmcharlt++; Fridolin++; |
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davidnind |
#info Congrats and a big thankyou to everyone involved in the 3.14 release |
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bag |
gmcharlt++ |
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davidnind |
I'm sure you would have thought of something.... |
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davidnind |
#topic Update on 3.16 |
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Topic for #koha is now Update on 3.16 (Meeting topic: IRC General Meeting 4 December 2013) |
| 18:34 |
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gmcharlt |
#info Patches have started being pushed to master for 3.16 |
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gmcharlt |
#info Galen will be outlining various changes to coding guidlines in the next two weeks for developer consideration -- having to do with things like implications of of DBIx::Class support |
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nengard |
#info I'll create a branch for the 3.16 manual probably after the .1 release (and after i finalize the 3.14 manual) |
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davidnind |
nengard++ |
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gmcharlt |
any questions? |
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bag |
any movement on module maintainers? |
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gmcharlt |
not yet, but it's on my list |
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bag |
ok thanks :) |
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bag |
that's it from me for questions (for now :P ) |
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tcohen |
will it be mandatory to use DBIx::Class for 3.16 patches? |
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* bag |
is looking forward for the developer docs gmcharlt speaks of :) |
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gmcharlt |
tcohen: it will be strongly encouraged |
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tcohen |
thx gmcharlt |
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davidnind |
Thanks gmcharlt |
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davidnind |
#topic Extra elections for 3.16 |
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Topic for #koha is now Extra elections for 3.16 (Meeting topic: IRC General Meeting 4 December 2013) |
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davidnind |
We have two nominations, will do one at a time |
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davidnind |
The previous general meeting left it open for additional people to be nominated |
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davidnind |
First up is Magnus Enger volunteering as a Bug Wrangler |
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bag |
+1 |
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gmcharlt |
+1 |
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nengard |
+1 |
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davidnind |
+1 |
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JesseM |
+1 |
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Bruce_ |
+1 |
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barton |
+1 |
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thd |
+1 |
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* magnuse |
bows |
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gmcharlt |
magnuse++ # you're stuck with us now! |
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tcohen |
+1 |
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khall |
+1 |
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magnuse |
gmcharlt: couldn't imagine a better buch to be stuck with |
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davidnind |
#agreed Magnus Enger is now a Bug Wrangler |
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magnuse |
yay! |
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JesseM |
magnuse++ |
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magnuse |
thanks, i'll try to live up to my own expectations this time... |
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bag |
awesome |
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davidnind |
Next up is Brendan Gallagher volunteering as part of the QA team |
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nengard |
hmmmmm |
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magnuse |
+1 |
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nengard |
not sure about that one |
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nengard |
:) |
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Bruce_ |
+1 |
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nengard |
+1 |
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JesseM |
+1 |
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talljoy |
+1 |
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barton |
+1 |
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davidnind |
+1 |
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gmcharlt |
+1 |
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khall |
+1 |
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thd |
+1 |
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* bag |
follows magnuse's excellent lead and bows |
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davidnind |
#agreed Brendan Gallagher is now on the Quality Assurance team |
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bag |
thanks :) |
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davidnind |
Thanks everyone for volunteering for these roles |
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davidnind |
#topic Decision on maintaining 3.8.x and electing Release Maintainer for 3.8.x |
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Topic for #koha is now Decision on maintaining 3.8.x and electing Release Maintainer for 3.8.x (Meeting topic: IRC General Meeting 4 December 2013) |
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davidnind |
Note that Kyle Hall has been added as release maintainer http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/Roles_for_3.16 |
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magnuse |
do we have a volunteer? |
| 18:49 |
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davidnind |
The last meeting left it open - whether to continue the 3.8.x branch and elected an rmaint for it to be decided by the December IRC meeting |
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davidnind |
I assume that if someone is willing to be a Release Maintainer then we will continue supporting? |
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bag |
3.8 is 2+ years old now? |
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Bruce_ |
What is our policy on the duration of support? |
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bag |
Bruce_: I don't think there is a hard one… mainly what davidnind said to a certain extent |
| 18:51 |
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khall |
As far as I know, as long as there is a volunteer, a release may continue to be maintained |
| 18:51 |
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Bruce_ |
One is moved to wonder if infinite support is wise. |
| 18:51 |
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gmcharlt |
however, there is a point of dminishing returns, of course |
| 18:51 |
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barton |
how long did we support 3.4? |
| 18:51 |
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* gmcharlt |
proposes that we announce that 3.8.x will be EOLed upon the release of 3.16.x |
| 18:52 |
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gmcharlt |
er, 3.16.0 |
| 18:52 |
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bag |
+1 |
| 18:52 |
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davidnind |
+1 |
| 18:52 |
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barton |
+1 |
| 18:52 |
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nengard |
+1 |
| 18:52 |
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magnuse |
+1 |
| 18:52 |
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Bruce_ |
So... we're going to spread ourselves thin enough to support 5 releases at once? |
| 18:52 |
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Bruce_ |
-1 |
| 18:52 |
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bag |
which means we would need a 3.8 RMaint |
| 18:53 |
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gmcharlt |
Bruce_: are you favoring an immediate EOL for 3.8? |
| 18:53 |
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tcohen |
3.8 is maintained by Chris Hall right now, right? |
| 18:53 |
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* gmcharlt |
wouldn't mind that, but there's at least one library that has expressed a desire to have it kept going |
| 18:54 |
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bag |
What's the amount of patches that we being written for 3.8? |
| 18:54 |
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khall |
yes, Chris Hall was interested in continuing to maintain 3.8 |
| 18:54 |
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Bruce_ |
I am favoring our adopting some policy about how many simultaneous releases we support so that we aren't spread too thin. |
| 18:54 |
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khall |
I volunteered to take up the reighns |
| 18:54 |
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davidnind |
That would be the next item - to elect Kyle Hall |
| 18:54 |
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davidnind |
Oops |
| 18:54 |
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Bruce_ |
... but Kyle's offer moots my point for the moment. |
| 18:54 |
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khall |
2 years of maintainence seems reasonable |
| 18:55 |
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gmcharlt |
Bruce_: I think discussing a policy is a good idea; probably for koha-devel first, though |
| 18:55 |
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magnuse |
+1 |
| 18:55 |
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thd |
Releases should be maintained as long as there is a maintainer willing to maintain them. Recommending maintenance of an old release is a different question entirely. |
| 18:55 |
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Bruce_ |
Right. I'll see if I can find the right venue for my thoughts. |
| 18:55 |
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gmcharlt |
thd: in principle, yeah, if somebody wants to do it, we don't necessarily want to say no -- but on the other hand, there are real costs tot he community if folks don't stay reasonably current |
| 18:56 |
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* gmcharlt |
is putting aside security releases for the moment |
| 18:56 |
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davidnind |
Okay. As we have volunteer we should now vote on khall (Kyle Hall) volunteering as release maintainer for 3.8 |
| 18:56 |
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Bruce_ |
+1 |
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JesseM |
+1 |
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nengard |
+1 |
| 18:57 |
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gmcharlt |
+1 |
| 18:57 |
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davidnind |
+1 |
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thd |
We should definitely encourage people to upgrade but they are allowed not to do so for whatever reasons they may choose, however unwisely over time. |
| 18:57 |
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barton |
+1 |
| 18:57 |
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thd |
+1 |
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edveal |
+1 |
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talljoy |
+1 |
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bag |
+1 |
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tcohen |
+1 |
| 18:58 |
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davidnind |
#agreed khall (Kyle Hall) is now Release Maintainer for 3.8 |
| 18:58 |
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gmcharlt |
khall++ |
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* khall |
bows with a flourish |
| 18:59 |
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magnuse |
khall++ |
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tcohen |
khall++ |
| 18:59 |
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bag |
khall++ |
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talljoy |
khall++ |
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davidnind |
#agreed To discuss in other forums the policy around supporting older releases (unless it is already documented elsewhere) |
| 19:00 |
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davidnind |
khall++ |
| 19:00 |
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davidnind |
#topic KohaCon14 |
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Topic for #koha is now KohaCon14 (Meeting topic: IRC General Meeting 4 December 2013) |
| 19:00 |
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joels68 |
khall++ |
| 19:01 |
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davidnind |
Is anyone here able to talk about this? |
| 19:01 |
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tcohen |
briefly |
| 19:01 |
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davidnind |
Great! |
| 19:02 |
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tcohen |
KohaCon14 will be held in Cordoba, on october 6th through 13th |
| 19:02 |
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tcohen |
we are about to set a wiki page for it, and arrange things for calling for presentations and volunteers |
| 19:02 |
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tcohen |
now we have set the dates we will start searching for local sponsors |
| 19:03 |
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nengard |
tcohen I can set up the call for presenters form again if need be |
| 19:03 |
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tcohen |
the conference will be held in the university campus |
| 19:03 |
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magnuse |
3 days conference, 1 day rest, 4 days hackfest? |
| 19:03 |
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tcohen |
i was thinking of reusing our OCS setup |
| 19:03 |
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davidnind |
OCS? |
| 19:03 |
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tcohen |
3 days conference, a couple of days for hackfest |
| 19:04 |
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tcohen |
some trips within Cordoba on the weekend |
| 19:04 |
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tcohen |
and more hackfest for those who want to stay longer |
| 19:04 |
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tcohen |
PKP Open Conference System |
| 19:05 |
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tcohen |
we will try to make a more precise proposal to put into consideration to the community |
| 19:05 |
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tcohen |
ASAP |
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bag |
:) |
| 19:06 |
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tcohen |
any thoughts on the dates? are they ok? |
| 19:06 |
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nengard |
they work for me |
| 19:06 |
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thd |
tcohen++ 4 day hackfest |
| 19:06 |
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JesseM |
I like the dates as well |
| 19:06 |
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tcohen |
do we need two weekend days for traveling around? is one enough like it was in Reno? |
| 19:06 |
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Bruce_ |
I think the dates should be determined locally, as shifting by a week can make a great difference in the cost of hotels and meeting space. |
| 19:07 |
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nengard |
Well I'll note that the following week I have another conference |
| 19:07 |
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nengard |
so shifting it that way is a bad idea for me :) |
| 19:07 |
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barton |
nengard is going to be busy in October |
| 19:07 |
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Bruce_ |
... with due consideration for other major conferences. |
| 19:07 |
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* nengard |
is always busy |
| 19:08 |
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thd |
nengard: Which conference is held the following week? |
| 19:08 |
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nengard |
But I do have those dates blocked off Oct 6-13th for KohaCon :) |
| 19:08 |
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nengard |
thd internet librarian - I was wrong it's the 27th - but still a week of rest is good |
| 19:08 |
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davidnind |
I think it is great that the dates are known now - so that people can plan around it (it is what community members asked for) |
| 19:08 |
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nengard |
yup |
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* nengard |
is happy :) |
| 19:08 |
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tcohen |
yes |
| 19:08 |
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tcohen |
we too :-D |
| 19:08 |
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davidnind |
Unless there is a major reason to change these I think we should stick with what the organisers have announced... |
| 19:08 |
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bag |
yup dates set are a good thing |
| 19:09 |
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nengard |
+1 |
| 19:09 |
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bag |
+1 |
| 19:09 |
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tcohen |
we are going to need your advise in several areas nengard :-D |
| 19:09 |
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nengard |
no problem at all |
| 19:09 |
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davidnind |
Thanks for the update tcohen |
| 19:10 |
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davidnind |
tcohen++ |
| 19:10 |
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tcohen |
np |
| 19:10 |
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nengard |
tcohen++ |
| 19:10 |
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davidnind |
#info KohaCon14 will be be held in Cordoba, 6-13th October |
| 19:10 |
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davidnind |
#info Wiki page being setup, along with calling for presentations and volunteers |
| 19:10 |
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davidnind |
#info Will be held in university campus |
| 19:10 |
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davidnind |
#info More details will be made available soon on proposed format, etc |
| 19:11 |
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davidnind |
#topic Actions from General IRC meeting, 6 November 2013 |
| 19:11 |
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Topic for #koha is now Actions from General IRC meeting, 6 November 2013 (Meeting topic: IRC General Meeting 4 December 2013) |
| 19:11 |
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gmcharlt |
#info the 3.14 beta, was, in fact, tested -- thanks to the folks who participated |
| 19:11 |
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magnuse |
the_folks++ |
| 19:12 |
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nengard |
hehe |
| 19:12 |
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davidnind |
Now furiously trying to find any actions list from the last meeting ... http://meetings.koha-community[…]-11-06-02.02.html |
| 19:14 |
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davidnind |
Only action point I can see: all people will test the beta! |
| 19:14 |
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davidnind |
#info Thanks to all those who tested the beta for 3.14 |
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| 19:15 |
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davidnind |
#topic general business |
| 19:15 |
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Topic for #koha is now general business (Meeting topic: IRC General Meeting 4 December 2013) |
| 19:16 |
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davidnind |
Does any one have any general business? If not will set the next meeting date.. |
| 19:17 |
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davidnind |
#topic Next meeting |
| 19:17 |
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Topic for #koha is now Next meeting (Meeting topic: IRC General Meeting 4 December 2013) |
| 19:18 |
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davidnind |
Next in the sequence is 10:00 UTC - date proposed either 1st January or 8th January |
| 19:18 |
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Bruce_ |
One suspects that the latter date will gather greater attendance. |
| 19:19 |
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davidnind |
Proposal is for 8 January 2014 at 10:00 UTC |
| 19:19 |
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magnuse |
+1 |
| 19:19 |
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davidnind |
+1 |
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thd |
+1 |
| 19:20 |
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barton |
+1 |
| 19:20 |
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JesseM |
+1 |
| 19:20 |
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tcohen |
+1 |
| 19:21 |
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Bruce_ |
0 Not gonna be online at 5am anyway. |
| 19:21 |
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davidnind |
#info Next general IRC meeting is 8 January 2014 at 10:00 UTC |
| 19:22 |
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davidnind |
Thanks everyone for attending, and putting up with me chairing... |
| 19:22 |
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davidnind |
#endmeeting |
| 19:22 |
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Topic for #koha is now Koha 3.14.0 is released! Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org. Next general IRC meeting 4th December, 18:00 UTC |
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huginn |
Meeting ended Wed Dec 4 19:22:09 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
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huginn |
Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-12-04-18.11.html |
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huginn |
Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]3-12-04-18.11.txt |
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huginn |
Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]04-18.11.log.html |
| 19:22 |
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magnuse |
davidnind++ |
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Bruce_ |
davidnind++ |
| 19:22 |
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davidnind |
Bruce_ :-[ |
| 19:22 |
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JesseM |
davidnind++ |
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gmcharlt |
davidnind++ |
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* thd |
tries to rest before his next meeting. |
| 19:26 |
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tcohen |
davidnind++ |
| 19:32 |
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magnuse |
trying to get my head around authorities... i added a couple of personal name auths and used them in a couple of records, but when i search for the auths i get "used in = 0 records". searching for the names do turn up the right bibliographic records, though. any auth-n00b mistakes i might be making? |
| 19:33 |
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francharb |
magnuse, did you reindex your authorities? |
| 19:34 |
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francharb |
or the biblio? |
| 19:34 |
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wahanui |
hmmm... the biblio is book or? |
| 19:35 |
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magnuse |
francharb: yeah, both |
| 19:35 |
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magnuse |
i wonder if it is a normarc thing, if it doesn't ring a bell with anyone else... |
| 19:36 |
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francharb |
do you have the $9 in the biblio framework |
| 19:36 |
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francharb |
for each authority related field |
| 19:36 |
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gmcharlt |
magnuse: also, try running ./misc/link_bibs_to_authorities.pl |
| 19:37 |
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francharb |
magnuse, how did you use the authorities? |
| 19:37 |
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francharb |
through plugins? |
| 19:40 |
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magnuse |
i set 100a to use PERSO_NAME, then clicked on the ... to the right of 100a, search for the name, and chose the right name |
| 19:40 |
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magnuse |
ah, $9 might be missing, let me check |
| 19:41 |
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tcohen |
$9 is where the reference to the authid is saved magnuse |
| 19:41 |
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magnuse |
yeah, it's missing, i'll try to add it and see if that helps |
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francharb |
:) |
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jeff |
kohadevreactions++ as always |
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jeff |
having just resorted to regular expressions to de-mangle some of the NCIP messages received from our statewide resource sharing system, I much appreciated the Working on NCIP reaction. |
| 19:56 |
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Dyrcona |
jeff: Now, you've got two problems. :) |
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magnuse |
yup, $9 did the trick! francharb++ tcohen++ |
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francharb |
\o/ |
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tcohen |
\o/ |
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jeff |
Dyrcona: did I share the title of the item with you elsewhere? <Title datatype="string">An inconvenient match / Janet Dean.</Title> |
| 20:16 |
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Dyrcona |
jeff: No, I don't recall that, but it is funny in the context. |
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jeff |
Dyrcona: also, this classic answer came to mind as I resorted to $xml =~ s/\x04//g; # Remove ^D from xml -- http://stackoverflow.com/a/1732454/157515 |
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* Dyrcona |
wipes a tear from his eye. |
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Dyrcona |
That is beautiful. |
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rangi |
morning |
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rambutan |
afternoon |
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* rangi |
reads the minutes |
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* magnuse |
waves to rangi before wandering off into the night |
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rangi |
cya magnuse :) |
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rangi |
hey NateC |
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NateC |
hey a rangi |
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pablito |
does anyone know if it's possible to have e-journals in Koha? |
| 20:54 |
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rangi |
yep it certainly is |
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rangi |
however koha wont manage things like licenses and subscriptions and access type things to them, but you can catalogue them you would anything else |
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pablito |
hmm |
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pablito |
ok |
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pablito |
do you have a sample MARC template of such? |
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wizzyrea |
most people catalogue them just like paper journals, but with a url either in the 856 or in the item record |
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pablito |
ah i c |
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rangi |
856u or 952u (for marc21) |
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pablito |
so koha would be a database of links to the e-journals |
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rangi |
yup |
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pablito |
this may not make sense, but can koha "host" e-journals? |
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rangi |
yes, but not super well |
| 21:03 |
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rangi |
you can attach a file to a marc record |
| 21:03 |
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rangi |
that file could be an epub |
| 21:03 |
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rangi |
BUT, you are much better off to use an actual cms or digital repository to hold the actual files |
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rangi |
with version control, having different formats etc |
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pablito |
what cms/dig. repos. do you recommend? |
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rangi |
http://responsive.mykoha.co.nz[…]Cwrdl%3A%20hamlet |
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rangi |
thats an ebook .. ejournal is much the same |
| 21:04 |
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rangi |
hmm i dont really have a preference |
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rambutan |
rangi: would it make sense to have a fully populated digital repository (DSpace or whatever), and then also have marc records in koha that point to the DR? |
| 21:05 |
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gmcharlt |
rambutan: that's potentially a great way to improve access to the content in the DR |
| 21:06 |
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rangi |
yep |
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gmcharlt |
of course, it would be a good idea to automate the maintenance of the MARC records as much as possible |
| 21:06 |
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rangi |
rambutan: even nicer would be to have koha search both |
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wizzyrea |
moar betterer would be a DR that can be read with z39.50 or OAI and integrate that into searches in Koha rather than cataloguing twice (perhaps that's daft) |
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wizzyrea |
hey jinx |
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rangi |
:) |
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rambutan |
too bad there wouldn't be some way to automagically have Koha pull these (db extract or something) from the DR. |
| 21:07 |
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rangi |
if it does oai-pmh |
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gmcharlt |
wizzyrea: rangi: yeah, that's the ongoing federated search vs. collect ALL THE METADATA debate |
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ebegin |
rambutan, we are working of that kind of integration for one of our client |
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rangi |
then dcook has been working on that too |
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rambutan |
rangi: yea, that was my competing thought that I couldn't think of: some type of federated search |
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rangi |
ebegin: you shoudl talk with dcook |
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rangi |
he is working/worked on a oai client for koha, so koha can ingest from dspace for example |
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wizzyrea |
personally, I'm of the "know people who know things" persuasion |
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rambutan |
does Koha deal well with Dublin Core? |
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jcamins |
rambutan: as long as you convert it into MARC before giving it to Koha. |
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rangi |
rambutan: currently you have to map it into marc using xslt |
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rangi |
however once the elasticsearch stuff is done, it wont actually care so much ;) |
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rambutan |
hummm, sounds like developer work :) |
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rambutan |
I need to go find some money. |
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pablito |
thanks for the advice guys, have a good night/day |
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pablito |
:-) |
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rambutan |
OH LOOK! LSTA grants due in January! |
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ebegin |
rambutan, how convinient :) |
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ebegin |
s/convi/conve |
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peggy |
I need a little syntax help... I am debugging with warn. I can put a scalar variable (i.e. $borrower_branchcode) in the warn line and it gives me the value of the variable. |
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peggy |
How can I see the contents of the more complex variables? Like a hash? |
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ebegin |
peggy, I would use Data::Dumper |
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ebegin |
then Dumper( $complexVariable) |
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peggy |
Thanks! I'll give it a go. |
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ebegin |
warn "my complex variable" . Dumper( $complexVariable ); |
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peggy |
Ah. OK |
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peggy |
Now that is a pretty sight!!! Thanks for the help, ebegin. |
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ebegin |
:) |
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tcohen |
what was the syntax for extended patron attributes import? I need to put three occurencies of an attribute |
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tcohen |
peggy: Data::Printer is awesome too |
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peggy |
tcohen, what does that do? |
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tcohen |
pretty print data structures to stdout |
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ebegin |
"Attribute1Code:value","Attribute2Code:value",... |
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ebegin |
tcohen, that was for you :) |
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ebegin |
you have an example in the tools » import borrower page |
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rangi |
can i get a sign off on bug 11341 please |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11341 critical, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , XSS attack vendor in facets in OPAC - prog theme |
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rangi |
and if any qa team people are around, some qa after too :) |
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peggy |
Thanks tcohen. I may use that later on. |
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tcohen |
ebegin: thanks |
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bag |
I can QA that starting in another 30 minutes |
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rangi |
sweet |
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rangi |
we just need a sign off then |
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tcohen |
don't u have one already? |
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wizzyrea |
^ hehe |
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bag |
yes tcohen did it :D |
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tcohen |
rangi, good catch, once you reproduce it, is scary |
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rangi |
i didnt actually catch it, had it reported to me |
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rangi |
its interesting we were escaping everything else, just not the offset |
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rangi |
i think i will do a patch to switch on escaping by default, and then you have to opt out |
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rangi |
it will break some stuff im sure, but easily fixable and will make us not miss things like this |
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rangi |
and thanks for the sign off ;) |
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tcohen |
u r welcome rangi |
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pianohacker |
peggy: tip, supposing that you're just using this in one place: you can have use Data::Dumper; warn Dumper( ... ); on one line, which makes it easy to kill off when you're done with it |
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peggy |
pianohacker, that's handy, but use Data::Dumper is already in the file, I think for when you turn on verbose. |
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pianohacker |
ah! very well then :) |
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rangi |
ahh nice starman is in wheezy |
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bag |
gmcharlt: bug 11341 passed qa |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11341 critical, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , XSS attack vendor in facets in OPAC - prog theme |
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* gmcharlt |
looks at it |
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eythian |
blimmin attack vendors |
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rangi |
heh yeah totally typoed there |
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gmcharlt |
the sorts of folks who respond to RFPs for things like, say, the invasion of Ruritania? |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build #250 for job master_maria (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #247 1 day 21 hr ago) |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11341: fix XSS bug in opac-search.pl (facets) <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]f6d735d2abd125380> |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build #1536 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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francharb |
bye |
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tcohen |
gmcharlt: those Search.t tests failing on jenkins don't fail on my box |
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tcohen |
(talking about 3.12.x) |
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gmcharlt |
tcohen: nor for me -- my supposition at the moment is that it's something to do with his particular environment |
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gmcharlt |
or that release of OpenSUSE |
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gmcharlt |
ah, sorry |
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* tcohen |
doesn't have OpenSuSE to test |
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gmcharlt |
I'm conflating that with the QueryParser.t issue that somebody reported on the lists |
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tcohen |
I'm talking about that too |
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tcohen |
no i'm not |
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tcohen |
gmcharlt: i'm the one who mixed both problems |
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tcohen |
heh |
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gmcharlt |
tcohen: I think we both did :) |
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* tcohen |
feels the lack of coffee |
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* gmcharlt |
has had plenty of coffee today, and is still feeling the lack of coffee :/ |
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tcohen |
when i read that email it reminded me that it bothered me that jenkins had those tests failing |
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tcohen |
so, mixed |
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rambutan |
@wunder 64507 |
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huginn |
rambutan: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is -3.3°C (4:51 PM CST on December 04, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: -7.0°C. Pressure: 29.79 in 1009 hPa (Rising). |
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wizzyrea |
that's pretty chilly |
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wizzyrea |
@wunder nzwn |
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huginn |
wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 22.0°C (11:30 AM NZDT on December 05, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). |
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rambutan |
it's D* chilly. |
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rambutan |
1" of snow on Sunday here |
| 22:53 |
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rambutan |
next Sunday I do mean |
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jenkins_koha |
Yippie, build fixed! |
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jenkins_koha |
Project master_maria build #250: FIXED in 49 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]master_maria/250/ |
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jenkins_koha |
Chris Cormack: Bug 11341: fix XSS bug in opac-search.pl (facets) |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11341 critical, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , XSS attack vendor in facets in OPAC - prog theme |
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pianohacker |
@wunder 80401 |
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huginn |
pianohacker: The current temperature in Lookout Pointe, Golden, Colorado is -13.9°C (4:11 PM MST on December 04, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: -16.0°C. Windchill: -14.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Rising). |
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dcook |
@wunder sydney australia |
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huginn |
dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 21.0°C (10:00 AM EST on December 05, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.42 in 996 hPa (Falling). |
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dcook |
Wee bit warmer ;) |
| 23:11 |
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pianohacker |
oh man you suck |
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rangi |
@wunder nzwn |
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huginn |
rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 22.0°C (11:30 AM NZDT on December 05, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). |
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rangi |
beat ya |
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eythian |
hah, take that Sydney! |
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dcook |
hehe |
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dcook |
You're apparently overcast though? |
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dcook |
I just see blue sky ;) |
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eythian |
that's why it's warm here. Warm, muggy, and cloudy. |
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eythian |
It's not really normal Wellington weather. |
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wizzyrea |
it was strange this morning, foggy/misty |
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wizzyrea |
and really, awfully warm |
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dcook |
Sounds a bit like our yesterday |
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eythian |
hi cait |
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dcook |
I suppose it starts off clear in the morning and gets a bit muggier throughout the day here lately |
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* dcook |
waves to ait |
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* dcook |
also waves to cait |
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cait |
hi eythian |
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cait |
isn't it yourlunch time? |
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eythian |
yeah, but I'm working on something, so I'll wait a bit. |
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