Time Nick Message 01:32 eythian wahanui: status 01:32 wahanui Since Wed Nov 20 21:29:42 2013, there have been 324 modifications and 78 questions. I have been awake for 13 days, 4 hours, 3 minutes, 3 seconds this session, and currently reference 34434 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode. 01:33 eythian anyone know anything about doing bulk patron imports and populating patron attributes at the same time? 01:33 wizzyrea you mean through the interface 01:33 wizzyrea ? 01:35 eythian yeah 01:35 wizzyrea I believe it is documented 01:35 dcook Sounds familiar but I'm not sure that's possible in the older Koha that I use 01:36 wizzyrea Tip: If loading patron attributes, the 'patron_attributes' field should contain a comma-separated list of attribute types and values. 01:36 wizzyrea ^ is in the online help 01:36 eythian yeah, just found it in the manual 01:36 wizzyrea \o/ 01:36 eythian documentation eh. Who'da though. 01:36 dcook hehe 01:36 wizzyrea :D 01:37 eythian patron_attributes isn't documented on the actual page, which is a bit silly. 01:37 wizzyrea yea, it is. 01:37 wizzyrea actually it's a bit silly how it's documented period. 01:39 wizzyrea truly, users do not know to check the online help. 01:39 wizzyrea it's actually really helpful! 01:39 wizzyrea well sometimes not. but usually. 01:40 eythian Next question: how do I tell libreoffice to prefix every cell in a column with a fixed string? 01:40 jcamins Ugh. 01:40 jcamins My e-mail filter stopped working. 01:41 wizzyrea http://en.libreofficeforum.org/node/2506 01:41 wizzyrea curses. 01:42 eythian oh hey, it's jcamins's favourite! 01:43 jcamins His e-mail address changed. 01:43 jcamins And he's too important to use a last name. 01:48 eythian Like Madonna 01:50 rangi yeah im not sure that he even gets a say 01:50 jcamins rangi: he volunteered to RMaint 3.6.x. If he does that, he gets a say. 01:51 eythian he hasn't actually done more than volunteer though 01:51 jcamins eythian: right, he gets a say when he RMaints for 3.6.x. 01:53 eythian This borrower data uses the "title" field for both "Dr" and "Do no lend." 01:53 eythian I'm not totally sure how to resolve this. 01:54 jcamins eythian: don't allow doctors to borrow books. 01:54 rangi http://paste.koha-community.org/14 01:54 rangi ok ? 01:54 rangi before i hit send 01:55 eythian I think so 01:55 jcamins Sounds fine to me. 01:55 eythian It's only about the 15th time he's weighed in while confused. 01:55 rangi yeah 01:56 jcamins [off] As opposed to all the times he's weighed in while not confused? 01:57 eythian [off] I do recall something recently where he was right. I can't remember what it was though. 01:58 jcamins [off] Awesome, my filter must have worked... once. 01:59 rangi chris_n++ 02:00 rangi ill leave it 02:05 * eythian contatenats "title" with the notes field, and also inserts it as "title." I'll let the library sort it out. 02:14 eythian oh hey, the unique ID field has duplicates. 02:14 dcook confetti 02:14 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` 02:15 jcamins more confetti 02:15 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`' 02:15 jcamins even more confetti 02:16 jcamins eythian: sorry, you only get two servings of confetti. 02:21 eythian :< 02:25 eythian Oh hey, there's an old uni friend in this borrowers database (and his data is being problematic.) 02:26 jcamins eythian: perfect. Charge him a fine. 02:26 eythian I should! 02:26 jcamins "I was migrating your data, and ran into problems with it, so I am fining you one gourmet beer." 02:27 eythian I feel this is quite acceptable. 03:22 jcamins Pffft. 03:23 * jcamins just saw the kohadevreactions gif. 03:23 jcamins Well, the e-mail it was about. 03:25 jcamins I'm all for next generation library systems, that's arguably what Biblionarrator is, but... really? 03:27 jcamins [off] Okay, I read that message three times. Is that a joke? 03:42 Dyrcona jcamins: got a link to the gif? 03:43 * Dyrcona suspects he knows what it is about. 03:43 mtj http://kohadevreactions.tumblr.com/image/68930259566 03:43 mtj http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/eg-oversight-board/2013-December/000636.html 03:44 mtj just reading it now... 03:44 Dyrcona Thanks. I did find the image with Google. Should have just looked first. 03:44 Dyrcona Yeah, I know all about the email. 03:45 mtj …pretty bizarre stuff, considering the terms 'last gen' and 'next gen' are absolutely meaningless O_o 04:03 dcook hehe 04:03 dcook I love looking at Kohadevreactions after a while 04:03 dcook It never fails to amuse 04:05 Dyrcona I like the on about "you don't pay me." I tell Evergreen folks that all the time. 04:21 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 04:22 mtompset Question: what might cause duplicate report listings in the guided reports? 04:32 dcook Different report numbers and same name? 04:32 dcook Off the top of my head, pressing "Save" twice when originally saving the repor 04:32 dcook report* 04:32 dcook But that's just a guess 04:41 mtompset duplicate authorized values, I think. :) 04:52 mtompset okay... deleted duplicate ids... how do I check for data consistency? 05:35 mtompset woo hoo! I think I'm in the clear. 05:58 mtompset Have a great day, #koha. 06:10 paxed catalogue/advsearch.tt: <option value="l-format:fk" >Braille</option> 06:10 paxed according to _what_ format?! 06:50 * magnuse gives an early wave 07:47 reiveune hello 08:18 magnuse huh, is there something seriously wrong with my browser, or is the "add serial" screen behaving weirdly in master? 08:23 magnuse ah, might be because i did not install nb-NO after the upgrade... 08:29 magnuse ok, so every time i start writing something into a form in the intranet, focus jumps to "search the catalog" or at least one of the search fields at the top of the page... anyone else seen that? 08:33 magnuse restarted browser and still the same thing happens 08:36 magnuse only happens using translations, not when english is chosen 08:40 gaetan_B hello 08:40 wahanui niihau, gaetan_B 09:09 ashimema morning all 09:09 ashimema cait, you about? 09:09 cait kind of :) 09:09 cait morning :) 09:10 ashimema Am I OK to QA bug 10944 (the amazon images over https one) 09:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10944 minor, P5 - low, ---, robin, Signed Off , Mixed content warnings in results and detail with Amazon images on https 09:10 ashimema I think your issues are just ssl seetup problems unrelated to the bug itself.. (and bootstrap?) 09:10 cait yep 09:10 cait bit embarassed i missed bootstrap 09:10 cait but what was also weird was that i had the images in staff over https when it was http? 09:10 ashimema haha no worries, it caught me out for a while too 09:11 ashimema yeah, Liz has explained that in a comment.. 09:11 ashimema Robin chose to set https for imaages in staff at all times.. it doesn't do any harm. 09:11 ashimema there's no using_https template param to latch onto in staff client from the looks.. 09:12 ashimema so I was thinking that was ok? 09:12 cait ah ok 09:12 cait haven't caught up with mails yet 09:12 ashimema unless yo can think of a regression thats somehow brought in by using https in the staff client? 09:12 cait i am ok with that 09:12 cait i am only worried a bit about com vs. de 09:12 cait if anything 09:12 ashimema I'll be trying to work through that as part of my qa.. 09:12 cait still wondering if itwill give the same results hm. 09:13 ashimema likewise for .co.uk and the other locales. 09:13 cait it should not be too hard to test, but i have not very good data (not many covers) 09:13 cait yeah but i imagine the english speaking ones to be a bit more similar 09:13 cait but it might be all one data pool anyway 09:13 ashimema good point 09:15 * cait thinks the easiestwould be to kill the amazon cover feature... :P 09:19 cait ok, i guess i won't get far with that suggestion, but what you wrote sounds good 09:28 ashimema I think images always came form amazon.com without localisation looking at the code cait.. so it doesn't look like a regression to me? 09:28 cait ah good, then i am all ok with it 09:30 ashimema Still going through code.. but it certainly appears that way so far. 09:32 pablito hi all 09:33 pablito after cleaning my MARC data to import into Koha, I now can't see the Call Number for my books in Koha 09:34 cait pablito: where did you put the callnumber? 09:34 pablito i used the 952$o subfield for the call number 09:35 pablito the call number shows under "Full Call Number", but not under "Call Number" of the OPAC search 09:35 cait pablito: but the items got generated? 09:35 pablito yes 09:35 pablito I can send you my koha mapping 09:35 pablito what's the paste url? 09:35 cait hm where is full call number? 09:37 cait i can think of different things 09:37 cait so the callnumber shows in cataloguing but not in the opac? 09:37 pablito yes 09:37 pablito in cataloging only 09:37 cait result and detail page? 09:38 pablito yes 09:38 cait that is weird. 09:38 cait can you see the other item data in opac? 09:39 cait is only the callnumber missing or is the item not showing up at all on the detail page? 09:39 pablito In OPAC, the books show up 09:39 pablito under the holding table, it doesn't show the call number 09:40 pablito though it shows the holding library, barcode, and availability 09:40 cait interesting. 09:40 wahanui i heard interesting was sometimes good and sometimes bad 09:40 cait you didn't do any jquery customizations i guess? 09:41 cait does it not show up in staff too? 09:42 pablito sorry, lost wifi signal 09:43 pastebot "pablito" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "my marc mapping" (60 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/15 09:47 cait it looks ok to me for the items 09:47 cait how are your items formatted? 09:47 cait it should be only one 952 for each item 09:47 cait not multiple 952 09:48 pablito even when I tried to do the itemcallnumber mapping in system preferences to 852hi, it still would not show 09:50 cait 852$h$i won't work in Koha i nthink 09:50 cait 952$o is alright 09:50 cait I can't see why it would show up in cataloguing 09:50 cait could you try something? 09:50 cait add an item manually 09:50 cait and see if that shows up like it should in your opac 09:52 pablito ok, let's put this issue aside, i have another issue with another koha server 09:53 pablito if you don't mind :-) 09:54 pablito I loaded the same MARC data to another server, call it PROD SERVER, and I can't even search for anything; there is no results, even though on the import, I can see thousands of records 09:54 pablito i think it's a misconfiguration issue 09:58 pablito ok 10:00 cait maybe it's just your zebra server not running? 10:00 pablito you mean for my 2nd issue with the PROD SERVER? 10:01 pablito how would i start the zebra server? 10:01 cait yes, if you can't search it's more likely a zebra than an import problem 10:01 cait like the new records not being indexed 10:01 cait zebra server not running 10:01 cait cronjob not activated to update the index periodically 10:01 cait things like that 10:02 cait ashimema++ 10:03 ashimema ? 10:05 pablito actually, I ran the "top" program and saw " zebrasrv" running 10:17 pablito cait: i have to go, thanks again for your help 10:18 magnuse search faq? 10:18 wahanui search faq is http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/ 10:37 * cait waves 10:37 * ashimema rejoices 10:41 cait :) 10:41 magnuse can budgets in acq be used for keeping track of spendings on serials? 11:11 cait magnuse: yes, since 3.12 11:12 cait before it was not really liked well together 11:14 magnuse cool 11:14 cait look for order from subscriptoin 11:14 magnuse i did some exploration and found something that seemed to work 11:14 magnuse yeah, found that :-) 11:14 magnuse i'm always a bit overwhelmed by acq, though... 11:21 * cait sends cookies 11:21 cait understandable :) 11:27 paxed what does the "Popularity" search result sorting depend on, number of loans for that title? or the stars given to it? or what? 11:30 magnuse paxed: i think it should be number of loans, but not sure how well it works 11:33 paxed ah. thanks. 11:35 paxed if i've found half a dozen typos, do i file separate bug for each? 12:03 cait hi khall 12:03 cait :) 12:03 khall mornin cait! 12:06 khall mornin #koha! 12:06 khall FYI, bug 6427 is ready for testing! 12:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6427 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Rewrite of the accounts system 12:06 khall I've tested it on a sandbox, so you can test there as well 12:08 magnuse paxed: maybe group them by "module"/functionality, if possible? 12:10 cait paxed: number of loans - you can calculate it directly or via cronjob (smaller performance hit) - look in your sysprfs 12:12 cait khall: updae scripts done? :) 12:12 cait khall: one thought i had while reading the commit message was that migrations might be a bit harder with 3 tables instead of 1 12:12 khall cait: Yes, but it'll need some testing! 12:13 cait but we will figure it out 12:13 cait or even 4 tables i think 12:13 khall cait: yes, they will be "a bit" harder. The key is, for migrations you can just ignore account_offsets if you want to and just put fines in account_debits and payments in account_credits 12:13 cait hm and you'd have to calculate the total i think? 12:14 khall yes, but I plan on writing a command line script to trigger the recalculation as well 12:14 cait ah yes, that makes sense 12:15 khall there's already a subroutine to do that, so the cli script is near trivial 12:15 cait wasn't magnuse here like a second ago? *nudge* 12:16 * paxed posts to both -devel and -translate because topic that makes him see red. 12:38 * chris_n passes out glazed crescents 12:42 cait paxed: probably not aware that you are argueing wiht me ;) 12:48 cait chris_n: glazed crescents? 12:48 paxed cait: oh, right - i saw you changing your nick few days ago. arguing? well... just a very passionate topic for me :) 12:49 cait yeah, but complaining doesn't help 12:49 cait improving yes 12:49 cait and maybe also keep in mind that most of the translation improvements have been done as volunteer work 12:50 cait aslibraries are not funding things like this directly 12:50 cait in my experience, someone might prove me wrong 12:50 paxed cait: unfortunately i'm in the middle of a translation crunch - i need to get Koha more-or-less translated to Finnish before go on vacation next week - so my coding time is very limited. 12:53 cait that's ok, just something to keep in mind 12:54 paxed (i'll try to complain less in the future and use constructive criticism instead...) 12:59 cait i have posted some notes to your list 12:59 cait hope it doesn't make your blood boil again :) 13:02 francharb Good morning #koha 13:02 cait hi francharb :) 13:25 drojf hi #koha 13:27 cait hi drojf! 13:27 * cait is tempted to superglue drojf to #koha so he can't disappear again ;) 13:29 cait how is your thesis? finished? 13:57 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 13:58 mtompset marcelr++ # for continually following up on a multi-person patched bug report. 13:58 magnuse there's still no batch marc record modifcation tool in koha, right? 13:58 magnuse and MARC Modifications Templates only work for records that are staged/imported, not for z39.50, right? 14:05 mtompset No that I know of, and I don't know but that sounds right. 14:05 mtompset ^No^Not^ 14:10 cait magnuse: right 14:11 magnuse dang ;-) 14:21 alex__ hello, i have a question regarding setting up z39.50 in koha. I have configured the file koha-conf.xml and uncommented the part about the z39.50 and have put port 210. what else do I need to do in order for z39.50 to work? we are new to koha and i think we probaly havent configured our system properly. thanx! 14:21 cait alex_what do you want to do? :) 14:22 cait do you want to download records form other catalogs into your koha? or do you want others to download records via z39.50 from your catalog into theirs? 14:22 alex__ we want to be able to use z39.50 for cataloging purposes 14:22 alex__ but our IT staff have told us that the service needs t be running in order to apply their changes on the network 14:24 alex__ for the tome being we want to download recodrs via z39.50 14:24 jcamins alex__: they just have to allow you to make connections out to the ports used by whatever Z39.50 servers you are using. 14:25 alex__ this is what i thought too 14:25 jcamins There's not really a "service" that will be running. 14:25 alex__ but they insist that a service must be running 14:25 alex__ ok 14:26 jcamins You'll need ports 210 and 7090 opened, at for the default targets, but you could add other targets that used different ports, potentially. 14:26 alex__ in this case, i only need to apply the port on the koha-conf.xml file, correct?> 14:26 jcamins No. 14:26 jcamins koha-conf.xml has nothing to do with downloading records for copy cataloging. 14:27 alex__ oh ok because i say a part about z39.50 14:27 alex__ i saw 14:27 jcamins Yeah, but that's if you want to allow other people to download records. 14:27 alex__ ok i see 14:27 alex__ so if we open ports 210 aqnd 7090 we should be ok 14:27 alex__ thanks gyus 14:32 cait ah sorry, got distracted 14:32 cait reading back 14:33 cait ah, thx jcamins 14:34 cait alex_: it can work 2 directions, for use in cataloguing you just need the configuration in administration and the ports must be open in your firewall 15:11 cait guess the super glue didn't work 15:23 chris_n cait: it was probably out of date 15:24 * chris_n gets caught on spelling again: glazed croissants 15:36 cait have to run -bbl :) 16:05 reiveune bye 16:06 rambutan At KohaCon13 someone (can't recall, maybe bag or nengard) mentioned OverDrive could be integrated with Koha.... 16:06 rambutan however I suspect that would work with an individual subscription. Any idea if that would work at all if we were part of a state consortium? 16:23 Dyrcona rambutan: When you say, "OverDrive could be integrated with Koha" do you mean via the OverDrive API? 16:24 rambutan I assume that's what was meant, yes. 16:27 Dyrcona Thank. I asked out of curiosity. Evergreen doesn't have that kind of integration available, yet. 16:27 Dyrcona My consortium does have OverDrive and we load bib records so that they can be searched, but that's about it. 16:28 rambutan where do you get your records? We have some ebooks from OD that we pay for separately, and our TS has manually entered the records. 16:29 Dyrcona Yeah, out TS enters them. I'm not sure where they get the records, probably OCLC, maybe from OverDrive. 16:30 Dyrcona I offered to script it, but they said no. 16:30 Dyrcona Guess they like doing busy work. 16:33 bag rambutan: it should work yes 16:33 rambutan with the consortium you mean? 16:34 rambutan http://www.molib2go.org 16:55 gmcharlt jcamins: do you have any experience with libraries that mix in non-EACC CCCII characters with EACC? particularly Japanese Z39.50 targets? 16:56 gmcharlt @later tell dcook MARC::Record and friends are already mentioned in http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/Working_with_MARC -- see the entry for MARC/Perl 16:56 huginn gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. 17:09 chris_n lunch 17:30 gaetan_B bye 17:38 tcohen hi there 17:39 rambutan hi tcohen 17:44 jcamins gmcharlt: I do not. But I'm sure there are libraries that do that. 17:44 gmcharlt jcamins: indeed, I found one today while looking into Zac's question on the mailing list today 17:45 gmcharlt I'm more wondering if mixing in CCCII characters is ad hoc or a de factor standard in select lanaguge zones 17:50 thd All the CJK Z39.50 targets which I have tried used UTF8 if I remember correctly but I would have some strange matches in queries of targets in Japan. 17:54 thd s/used UTF8/used UTF8, except for some big5 encoding in some Chinese targets which I tried,/ 17:56 tcohen hi thd! 17:57 thd Hello tcohen 18:05 Bruce_ Have I miscalculated the start time for the December meeting? 18:07 davidnind Hi Bruce_. No - we just need someone to volunteer to chair... 18:07 nancyk I thought it was now 18:07 Bruce_ Oh good. At least I'm not alone in my delusion! 18:08 gmcharlt it is indeed now 18:08 * gmcharlt doesn't have time to chair today, however 18:09 * Bruce_ doesn't have the knowledge of how to record the meeting. Is there a FAQ? 18:09 davidnind I'll give it a go - http://meetbot.debian.net/Manual.html 18:10 davidnind I may be a bit slow, unless there is anyone else willing? 18:10 Bruce_ Willing, but clue-deficient. Only my second meeting. 18:11 davidnind I've done it once before, so hear goes again. 18:11 thd I nominate anyone more awake than me. 18:11 davidnind #startmeeting 18:11 wahanui if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me 18:11 huginn davidnind: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' 18:11 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn. 18:11 davidnind #startmeeting IRC General Meeting 4 December 2013 18:11 huginn Meeting started Wed Dec 4 18:11:47 2013 UTC. The chair is davidnind. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:11 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 18:11 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'irc_general_meeting_4_december_2013' 18:12 davidnind #topic Introductions 18:12 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 18:12 davidnind #info David Nind, Wellington NZ 18:12 gmcharlt #info gmcharlt = Galen Charlton, ESI, Seattle, USA; 3.16 release manager 18:12 Bruce_ ?info Bruce Metcalf, Augustan Society Library, Orlando FL US 18:13 jwagner #info Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS 18:13 tcohen #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Universidad Nacional de Cordoba, Argentina 18:13 joels68 #info Joel Sasse, Plum Creek Library system, Minnesota 18:13 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City - not dead yet 18:14 nancyk #info Nancy Keener Washoe County Library System 18:14 JesseM #info Jesse Maseto ByWater Solutions 18:14 bag #info Brendan Gallagher ByWater 18:14 nengard #info Nicole Engard, ByWater Solutions 18:15 davidnind Whew! We do have some people here. 18:15 davidnind #topic Announcements 18:16 davidnind Does anyone one have any announcements they wish to make? 18:17 davidnind The videos that are available from KohaCon13 are now online at https://archive.org/search.php?query=subject%3A%22kohacon13%22 18:18 nengard KohaCon14 will be held in C?rdoba, Argentina on October 6th through 13. 18:18 bag agenda? 18:18 wahanui i heard agenda was a wiki 18:18 nengard And I would add that not the entire conference was recorded - so what's on the internet archive is all I got from the conference organizers 18:18 gmcharlt #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting,_4_December_2013 18:18 bag thanks gmcharlt 18:19 khall #info Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutions 18:20 davidnind #info KohaCon14 will be held in Cordoba, Argentina on October 6th through 13 18:20 davidnind #info he videos that are available from KohaCon13 are now online at https://archive.org/search.php?query=subject%3A%22kohacon13%22 18:20 barton #info barton 18:20 davidnind #topic Update on 3.8 18:20 davidnind Is anyone able to provide an update on 3.8? 18:21 barton #info Barton Chittenden, ByWater Solutions 18:22 davidnind 3.8.20 released on 30 November 18:22 davidnind On agenda to discuss 18:22 magnuse #info Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway 18:22 davidnind #topic Update on 3.10 18:23 talljoy #info joy Nelson ByWater 18:23 davidnind Anyone able to provide an update on 3.10? 18:24 bag guess not 18:24 davidnind Okay, moving right along to the next item.... 18:24 davidnind #topic Update on 3.12 18:25 davidnind Anyone able to provide an update on 3.12? 18:27 davidnind Okay, moving right along .... 18:27 bag are all the maints on much different timezones? 18:27 bag I guess os 18:27 bag so* 18:28 davidnind Not sure..ah well 18:28 davidnind 3.12.7 released on 22 November 18:28 davidnind #topic Update on 3.14 18:29 gmcharlt I've communicated with Fridolin and expect that he'll start to push patches into 3.14.x soon 18:29 bag sweet 18:31 davidnind Great! Also least we forget 3.14 was released in November - thanks to everyone involved @gmcharlt++ 18:31 gmcharlt details, details ;) 18:31 tcohen i'm sorry i was absent a few minutes ago 18:31 nengard gmcharlt++ 18:31 davidnind gmcharlt++ 18:31 tcohen gmcharlt++ 18:32 talljoy gmcharlt++ 18:32 joels68 gmcharlt++ 18:32 JesseM gmcharlt++ 18:32 Bruce_ gmcharlt++ 3.14 has features I didn't know I desperately needed! 18:33 gmcharlt all_you_all++ # without everybody else, I would have nothing to do 18:33 thd gmcharlt++; Fridolin++; 18:33 davidnind #info Congrats and a big thankyou to everyone involved in the 3.14 release 18:33 bag gmcharlt++ 18:33 davidnind I'm sure you would have thought of something.... 18:34 davidnind #topic Update on 3.16 18:34 gmcharlt #info Patches have started being pushed to master for 3.16 18:35 gmcharlt #info Galen will be outlining various changes to coding guidlines in the next two weeks for developer consideration -- having to do with things like implications of of DBIx::Class support 18:35 nengard #info I'll create a branch for the 3.16 manual probably after the .1 release (and after i finalize the 3.14 manual) 18:36 davidnind nengard++ 18:36 gmcharlt any questions? 18:37 bag any movement on module maintainers? 18:37 gmcharlt not yet, but it's on my list 18:38 bag ok thanks :) 18:39 bag that's it from me for questions (for now :P ) 18:39 tcohen will it be mandatory to use DBIx::Class for 3.16 patches? 18:40 * bag is looking forward for the developer docs gmcharlt speaks of :) 18:40 gmcharlt tcohen: it will be strongly encouraged 18:40 tcohen thx gmcharlt 18:41 davidnind Thanks gmcharlt 18:41 davidnind #topic Extra elections for 3.16 18:41 davidnind We have two nominations, will do one at a time 18:42 davidnind The previous general meeting left it open for additional people to be nominated 18:42 davidnind First up is Magnus Enger volunteering as a Bug Wrangler 18:42 bag +1 18:42 gmcharlt +1 18:42 nengard +1 18:42 davidnind +1 18:42 JesseM +1 18:43 Bruce_ +1 18:43 barton +1 18:43 thd +1 18:43 * magnuse bows 18:43 gmcharlt magnuse++ # you're stuck with us now! 18:43 tcohen +1 18:43 khall +1 18:43 magnuse gmcharlt: couldn't imagine a better buch to be stuck with 18:44 davidnind #agreed Magnus Enger is now a Bug Wrangler 18:44 magnuse yay! 18:44 JesseM magnuse++ 18:44 magnuse thanks, i'll try to live up to my own expectations this time... 18:45 bag awesome 18:45 davidnind Next up is Brendan Gallagher volunteering as part of the QA team 18:45 nengard hmmmmm 18:45 magnuse +1 18:45 nengard not sure about that one 18:45 nengard :) 18:45 Bruce_ +1 18:45 nengard +1 18:45 JesseM +1 18:45 talljoy +1 18:46 barton +1 18:46 davidnind +1 18:46 gmcharlt +1 18:46 khall +1 18:46 thd +1 18:46 * bag follows magnuse's excellent lead and bows 18:46 davidnind #agreed Brendan Gallagher is now on the Quality Assurance team 18:47 bag thanks :) 18:47 davidnind Thanks everyone for volunteering for these roles 18:47 davidnind #topic Decision on maintaining 3.8.x and electing Release Maintainer for 3.8.x 18:48 davidnind Note that Kyle Hall has been added as release maintainer http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.16 18:48 magnuse do we have a volunteer? 18:49 davidnind The last meeting left it open - whether to continue the 3.8.x branch and elected an rmaint for it to be decided by the December IRC meeting 18:50 davidnind I assume that if someone is willing to be a Release Maintainer then we will continue supporting? 18:50 bag 3.8 is 2+ years old now? 18:50 Bruce_ What is our policy on the duration of support? 18:51 bag Bruce_: I don't think there is a hard one… mainly what davidnind said to a certain extent 18:51 khall As far as I know, as long as there is a volunteer, a release may continue to be maintained 18:51 Bruce_ One is moved to wonder if infinite support is wise. 18:51 gmcharlt however, there is a point of dminishing returns, of course 18:51 barton how long did we support 3.4? 18:51 * gmcharlt proposes that we announce that 3.8.x will be EOLed upon the release of 3.16.x 18:52 gmcharlt er, 3.16.0 18:52 bag +1 18:52 davidnind +1 18:52 barton +1 18:52 nengard +1 18:52 magnuse +1 18:52 Bruce_ So... we're going to spread ourselves thin enough to support 5 releases at once? 18:52 Bruce_ -1 18:52 bag which means we would need a 3.8 RMaint 18:53 gmcharlt Bruce_: are you favoring an immediate EOL for 3.8? 18:53 tcohen 3.8 is maintained by Chris Hall right now, right? 18:53 * gmcharlt wouldn't mind that, but there's at least one library that has expressed a desire to have it kept going 18:54 bag What's the amount of patches that we being written for 3.8? 18:54 khall yes, Chris Hall was interested in continuing to maintain 3.8 18:54 Bruce_ I am favoring our adopting some policy about how many simultaneous releases we support so that we aren't spread too thin. 18:54 khall I volunteered to take up the reighns 18:54 davidnind That would be the next item - to elect Kyle Hall 18:54 davidnind Oops 18:54 Bruce_ ... but Kyle's offer moots my point for the moment. 18:54 khall 2 years of maintainence seems reasonable 18:55 gmcharlt Bruce_: I think discussing a policy is a good idea; probably for koha-devel first, though 18:55 magnuse +1 18:55 thd Releases should be maintained as long as there is a maintainer willing to maintain them. Recommending maintenance of an old release is a different question entirely. 18:55 Bruce_ Right. I'll see if I can find the right venue for my thoughts. 18:55 gmcharlt thd: in principle, yeah, if somebody wants to do it, we don't necessarily want to say no -- but on the other hand, there are real costs tot he community if folks don't stay reasonably current 18:56 * gmcharlt is putting aside security releases for the moment 18:56 davidnind Okay. As we have volunteer we should now vote on khall (Kyle Hall) volunteering as release maintainer for 3.8 18:56 Bruce_ +1 18:57 JesseM +1 18:57 nengard +1 18:57 gmcharlt +1 18:57 davidnind +1 18:57 thd We should definitely encourage people to upgrade but they are allowed not to do so for whatever reasons they may choose, however unwisely over time. 18:57 barton +1 18:57 thd +1 18:57 edveal +1 18:57 talljoy +1 18:57 bag +1 18:58 tcohen +1 18:58 davidnind #agreed khall (Kyle Hall) is now Release Maintainer for 3.8 18:58 gmcharlt khall++ 18:59 * khall bows with a flourish 18:59 magnuse khall++ 18:59 tcohen khall++ 18:59 bag khall++ 19:00 talljoy khall++ 19:00 davidnind #agreed To discuss in other forums the policy around supporting older releases (unless it is already documented elsewhere) 19:00 davidnind khall++ 19:00 davidnind #topic KohaCon14 19:00 joels68 khall++ 19:01 davidnind Is anyone here able to talk about this? 19:01 tcohen briefly 19:01 davidnind Great! 19:02 tcohen KohaCon14 will be held in Cordoba, on october 6th through 13th 19:02 tcohen we are about to set a wiki page for it, and arrange things for calling for presentations and volunteers 19:02 tcohen now we have set the dates we will start searching for local sponsors 19:03 nengard tcohen I can set up the call for presenters form again if need be 19:03 tcohen the conference will be held in the university campus 19:03 magnuse 3 days conference, 1 day rest, 4 days hackfest? 19:03 tcohen i was thinking of reusing our OCS setup 19:03 davidnind OCS? 19:03 tcohen 3 days conference, a couple of days for hackfest 19:04 tcohen some trips within Cordoba on the weekend 19:04 tcohen and more hackfest for those who want to stay longer 19:04 tcohen PKP Open Conference System 19:05 tcohen we will try to make a more precise proposal to put into consideration to the community 19:05 tcohen ASAP 19:05 bag :) 19:06 tcohen any thoughts on the dates? are they ok? 19:06 nengard they work for me 19:06 thd tcohen++ 4 day hackfest 19:06 JesseM I like the dates as well 19:06 tcohen do we need two weekend days for traveling around? is one enough like it was in Reno? 19:06 Bruce_ I think the dates should be determined locally, as shifting by a week can make a great difference in the cost of hotels and meeting space. 19:07 nengard Well I'll note that the following week I have another conference 19:07 nengard so shifting it that way is a bad idea for me :) 19:07 barton nengard is going to be busy in October 19:07 Bruce_ ... with due consideration for other major conferences. 19:07 * nengard is always busy 19:08 thd nengard: Which conference is held the following week? 19:08 nengard But I do have those dates blocked off Oct 6-13th for KohaCon :) 19:08 nengard thd internet librarian - I was wrong it's the 27th - but still a week of rest is good 19:08 davidnind I think it is great that the dates are known now - so that people can plan around it (it is what community members asked for) 19:08 nengard yup 19:08 * nengard is happy :) 19:08 tcohen yes 19:08 tcohen we too :-D 19:08 davidnind Unless there is a major reason to change these I think we should stick with what the organisers have announced... 19:08 bag yup dates set are a good thing 19:09 nengard +1 19:09 bag +1 19:09 tcohen we are going to need your advise in several areas nengard :-D 19:09 nengard no problem at all 19:09 davidnind Thanks for the update tcohen 19:10 davidnind tcohen++ 19:10 tcohen np 19:10 nengard tcohen++ 19:10 davidnind #info KohaCon14 will be be held in Cordoba, 6-13th October 19:10 davidnind #info Wiki page being setup, along with calling for presentations and volunteers 19:10 davidnind #info Will be held in university campus 19:10 davidnind #info More details will be made available soon on proposed format, etc 19:11 davidnind #topic Actions from General IRC meeting, 6 November 2013 19:11 gmcharlt #info the 3.14 beta, was, in fact, tested -- thanks to the folks who participated 19:11 magnuse the_folks++ 19:12 nengard hehe 19:12 davidnind Now furiously trying to find any actions list from the last meeting ... http://meetings.koha-community.org/2013/general_irc_meeting__6_november_2013.2013-11-06-02.02.html 19:14 davidnind Only action point I can see: all people will test the beta! 19:14 davidnind #info Thanks to all those who tested the beta for 3.14 19:15 davidnind #topic general business 19:16 davidnind Does any one have any general business? If not will set the next meeting date.. 19:17 davidnind #topic Next meeting 19:18 davidnind Next in the sequence is 10:00 UTC - date proposed either 1st January or 8th January 19:18 Bruce_ One suspects that the latter date will gather greater attendance. 19:19 davidnind Proposal is for 8 January 2014 at 10:00 UTC 19:19 magnuse +1 19:19 davidnind +1 19:20 thd +1 19:20 barton +1 19:20 JesseM +1 19:20 tcohen +1 19:21 Bruce_ 0 Not gonna be online at 5am anyway. 19:21 davidnind #info Next general IRC meeting is 8 January 2014 at 10:00 UTC 19:22 davidnind Thanks everyone for attending, and putting up with me chairing... 19:22 davidnind #endmeeting 19:22 huginn Meeting ended Wed Dec 4 19:22:09 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 19:22 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2013/irc_general_meeting_4_december_2013.2013-12-04-18.11.html 19:22 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2013/irc_general_meeting_4_december_2013.2013-12-04-18.11.txt 19:22 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2013/irc_general_meeting_4_december_2013.2013-12-04-18.11.log.html 19:22 magnuse davidnind++ 19:22 Bruce_ davidnind++ 19:22 davidnind Bruce_ :-[ 19:22 JesseM davidnind++ 19:23 gmcharlt davidnind++ 19:24 * thd tries to rest before his next meeting. 19:26 tcohen davidnind++ 19:32 magnuse trying to get my head around authorities... i added a couple of personal name auths and used them in a couple of records, but when i search for the auths i get "used in = 0 records". searching for the names do turn up the right bibliographic records, though. any auth-n00b mistakes i might be making? 19:33 francharb magnuse, did you reindex your authorities? 19:34 francharb or the biblio? 19:34 wahanui hmmm... the biblio is book or? 19:35 magnuse francharb: yeah, both 19:35 magnuse i wonder if it is a normarc thing, if it doesn't ring a bell with anyone else... 19:36 francharb do you have the $9 in the biblio framework 19:36 francharb for each authority related field 19:36 gmcharlt magnuse: also, try running ./misc/link_bibs_to_authorities.pl 19:37 francharb magnuse, how did you use the authorities? 19:37 francharb through plugins? 19:40 magnuse i set 100a to use PERSO_NAME, then clicked on the ... to the right of 100a, search for the name, and chose the right name 19:40 magnuse ah, $9 might be missing, let me check 19:41 tcohen $9 is where the reference to the authid is saved magnuse 19:41 magnuse yeah, it's missing, i'll try to add it and see if that helps 19:42 francharb :) 19:45 jeff kohadevreactions++ as always 19:51 jeff having just resorted to regular expressions to de-mangle some of the NCIP messages received from our statewide resource sharing system, I much appreciated the Working on NCIP reaction. 19:56 Dyrcona jeff: Now, you've got two problems. :) 20:05 magnuse yup, $9 did the trick! francharb++ tcohen++ 20:06 francharb \o/ 20:06 tcohen \o/ 20:15 jeff Dyrcona: did I share the title of the item with you elsewhere? <Title datatype="string">An inconvenient match / Janet Dean.</Title> 20:16 Dyrcona jeff: No, I don't recall that, but it is funny in the context. 20:18 jeff Dyrcona: also, this classic answer came to mind as I resorted to $xml =~ s/\x04//g; # Remove ^D from xml -- http://stackoverflow.com/a/1732454/157515 20:19 * Dyrcona wipes a tear from his eye. 20:19 Dyrcona That is beautiful. 20:32 rangi morning 20:34 rambutan afternoon 20:38 * rangi reads the minutes 20:45 * magnuse waves to rangi before wandering off into the night 20:45 rangi cya magnuse :) 20:47 rangi hey NateC 20:52 NateC hey a rangi 20:54 pablito does anyone know if it's possible to have e-journals in Koha? 20:54 rangi yep it certainly is 20:55 rangi however koha wont manage things like licenses and subscriptions and access type things to them, but you can catalogue them you would anything else 20:55 pablito hmm 20:55 pablito ok 20:56 pablito do you have a sample MARC template of such? 20:57 wizzyrea most people catalogue them just like paper journals, but with a url either in the 856 or in the item record 20:57 pablito ah i c 21:02 rangi 856u or 952u (for marc21) 21:02 pablito so koha would be a database of links to the e-journals 21:02 rangi yup 21:02 pablito this may not make sense, but can koha "host" e-journals? 21:02 rangi yes, but not super well 21:03 rangi you can attach a file to a marc record 21:03 rangi that file could be an epub 21:03 rangi BUT, you are much better off to use an actual cms or digital repository to hold the actual files 21:03 rangi with version control, having different formats etc 21:03 pablito what cms/dig. repos. do you recommend? 21:04 rangi http://responsive.mykoha.co.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=352&query_desc=kw%2Cwrdl%3A%20hamlet 21:04 rangi thats an ebook .. ejournal is much the same 21:04 rangi hmm i dont really have a preference 21:05 rambutan rangi: would it make sense to have a fully populated digital repository (DSpace or whatever), and then also have marc records in koha that point to the DR? 21:05 gmcharlt rambutan: that's potentially a great way to improve access to the content in the DR 21:06 rangi yep 21:06 gmcharlt of course, it would be a good idea to automate the maintenance of the MARC records as much as possible 21:06 rangi rambutan: even nicer would be to have koha search both 21:06 wizzyrea moar betterer would be a DR that can be read with z39.50 or OAI and integrate that into searches in Koha rather than cataloguing twice (perhaps that's daft) 21:06 wizzyrea hey jinx 21:06 rangi :) 21:06 rambutan too bad there wouldn't be some way to automagically have Koha pull these (db extract or something) from the DR. 21:07 rangi if it does oai-pmh 21:07 gmcharlt wizzyrea: rangi: yeah, that's the ongoing federated search vs. collect ALL THE METADATA debate 21:07 ebegin rambutan, we are working of that kind of integration for one of our client 21:07 rangi then dcook has been working on that too 21:07 rambutan rangi: yea, that was my competing thought that I couldn't think of: some type of federated search 21:07 rangi ebegin: you shoudl talk with dcook 21:07 rangi he is working/worked on a oai client for koha, so koha can ingest from dspace for example 21:07 wizzyrea personally, I'm of the "know people who know things" persuasion 21:08 rambutan does Koha deal well with Dublin Core? 21:08 jcamins rambutan: as long as you convert it into MARC before giving it to Koha. 21:08 rangi rambutan: currently you have to map it into marc using xslt 21:08 rangi however once the elasticsearch stuff is done, it wont actually care so much ;) 21:08 rambutan hummm, sounds like developer work :) 21:09 rambutan I need to go find some money. 21:09 pablito thanks for the advice guys, have a good night/day 21:09 pablito :-) 21:09 rambutan OH LOOK! LSTA grants due in January! 21:10 ebegin rambutan, how convinient :) 21:11 ebegin s/convi/conve 21:14 peggy I need a little syntax help... I am debugging with warn. I can put a scalar variable (i.e. $borrower_branchcode) in the warn line and it gives me the value of the variable. 21:14 peggy How can I see the contents of the more complex variables? Like a hash? 21:14 ebegin peggy, I would use Data::Dumper 21:15 ebegin then Dumper( $complexVariable) 21:15 peggy Thanks! I'll give it a go. 21:15 ebegin warn "my complex variable" . Dumper( $complexVariable ); 21:16 peggy Ah. OK 21:18 peggy Now that is a pretty sight!!! Thanks for the help, ebegin. 21:20 ebegin :) 21:21 tcohen what was the syntax for extended patron attributes import? I need to put three occurencies of an attribute 21:22 tcohen peggy: Data::Printer is awesome too 21:22 peggy tcohen, what does that do? 21:23 tcohen pretty print data structures to stdout 21:23 ebegin "Attribute1Code:value","Attribute2Code:value",... 21:23 ebegin tcohen, that was for you :) 21:24 ebegin you have an example in the tools » import borrower page 21:24 rangi can i get a sign off on bug 11341 please 21:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11341 critical, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , XSS attack vendor in facets in OPAC - prog theme 21:24 rangi and if any qa team people are around, some qa after too :) 21:25 peggy Thanks tcohen. I may use that later on. 21:26 tcohen ebegin: thanks 21:33 bag I can QA that starting in another 30 minutes 21:34 rangi sweet 21:34 rangi we just need a sign off then 21:35 tcohen don't u have one already? 21:36 wizzyrea ^ hehe 21:36 bag yes tcohen did it :D 21:41 tcohen rangi, good catch, once you reproduce it, is scary 21:42 rangi i didnt actually catch it, had it reported to me 21:42 rangi its interesting we were escaping everything else, just not the offset 21:43 rangi i think i will do a patch to switch on escaping by default, and then you have to opt out 21:43 rangi it will break some stuff im sure, but easily fixable and will make us not miss things like this 21:44 rangi and thanks for the sign off ;) 21:47 tcohen u r welcome rangi 21:48 pianohacker peggy: tip, supposing that you're just using this in one place: you can have use Data::Dumper; warn Dumper( ... ); on one line, which makes it easy to kill off when you're done with it 21:51 peggy pianohacker, that's handy, but use Data::Dumper is already in the file, I think for when you turn on verbose. 21:52 pianohacker ah! very well then :) 21:57 rangi ahh nice starman is in wheezy 21:58 bag gmcharlt: bug 11341 passed qa 21:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11341 critical, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , XSS attack vendor in facets in OPAC - prog theme 21:58 * gmcharlt looks at it 21:59 eythian blimmin attack vendors 22:00 rangi heh yeah totally typoed there 22:03 gmcharlt the sorts of folks who respond to RFPs for things like, say, the invasion of Ruritania? 22:04 jenkins_koha Starting build #250 for job master_maria (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #247 1 day 21 hr ago) 22:08 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11341: fix XSS bug in opac-search.pl (facets) <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d2d365ca830345b9a519158f6d735d2abd125380> 22:08 jenkins_koha Starting build #1536 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 22:13 francharb bye 22:16 tcohen gmcharlt: those Search.t tests failing on jenkins don't fail on my box 22:16 tcohen (talking about 3.12.x) 22:16 gmcharlt tcohen: nor for me -- my supposition at the moment is that it's something to do with his particular environment 22:17 gmcharlt or that release of OpenSUSE 22:17 gmcharlt ah, sorry 22:17 * tcohen doesn't have OpenSuSE to test 22:17 gmcharlt I'm conflating that with the QueryParser.t issue that somebody reported on the lists 22:17 tcohen I'm talking about that too 22:19 tcohen no i'm not 22:19 tcohen gmcharlt: i'm the one who mixed both problems 22:19 tcohen heh 22:19 gmcharlt tcohen: I think we both did :) 22:19 * tcohen feels the lack of coffee 22:19 * gmcharlt has had plenty of coffee today, and is still feeling the lack of coffee :/ 22:20 tcohen when i read that email it reminded me that it bothered me that jenkins had those tests failing 22:20 tcohen so, mixed 22:51 rambutan @wunder 64507 22:51 huginn rambutan: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is -3.3°C (4:51 PM CST on December 04, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: -7.0°C. Pressure: 29.79 in 1009 hPa (Rising). 22:52 wizzyrea that's pretty chilly 22:52 wizzyrea @wunder nzwn 22:52 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 22.0°C (11:30 AM NZDT on December 05, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). 22:53 rambutan it's D* chilly. 22:53 rambutan 1" of snow on Sunday here 22:53 rambutan next Sunday I do mean 22:53 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed! 22:53 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #250: FIXED in 49 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/250/ 22:53 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: Bug 11341: fix XSS bug in opac-search.pl (facets) 22:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11341 critical, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , XSS attack vendor in facets in OPAC - prog theme 23:11 pianohacker @wunder 80401 23:11 huginn pianohacker: The current temperature in Lookout Pointe, Golden, Colorado is -13.9°C (4:11 PM MST on December 04, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: -16.0°C. Windchill: -14.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Rising). 23:11 dcook @wunder sydney australia 23:11 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 21.0°C (10:00 AM EST on December 05, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.42 in 996 hPa (Falling). 23:11 dcook Wee bit warmer ;) 23:11 pianohacker oh man you suck 23:11 rangi @wunder nzwn 23:11 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 22.0°C (11:30 AM NZDT on December 05, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). 23:11 rangi beat ya 23:11 eythian hah, take that Sydney! 23:13 dcook hehe 23:13 dcook You're apparently overcast though? 23:13 dcook I just see blue sky ;) 23:18 eythian that's why it's warm here. Warm, muggy, and cloudy. 23:18 eythian It's not really normal Wellington weather. 23:18 wizzyrea it was strange this morning, foggy/misty 23:18 wizzyrea and really, awfully warm 23:28 dcook Sounds a bit like our yesterday 23:28 eythian hi cait 23:28 dcook I suppose it starts off clear in the morning and gets a bit muggier throughout the day here lately 23:28 * dcook waves to ait 23:28 * dcook also waves to cait 23:28 cait hi eythian 23:28 cait isn't it yourlunch time? 23:28 eythian yeah, but I'm working on something, so I'll wait a bit.