IRC log for #koha, 2013-11-20

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00:07 jcamins dcook: what should I do with the asparagus?
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00:08 schnydszch hi koha community!
00:08 wizzyrea you should wrap it in pancetta and bake it.
00:08 wizzyrea with a bit of parmesan cheese.
00:08 jcamins Ooh, nice!
00:09 jcamins Unfortunately, I am sans pancetta.
00:09 wizzyrea though you didn't ask me :P
00:09 bag jcamins: as always grill it :)
00:09 bag heh
00:09 jcamins wizzyrea: I figured you deserved a (brief) break.
00:09 jcamins You've had good advice the last few times.
00:10 wizzyrea hehe
00:10 wizzyrea my second favorite way, is terribly pedestrian
00:13 * jcamins passes out from lack of oxygen.
00:13 jcamins I've been holding my breath waiting to hear it!
00:13 wizzyrea olive oil, salt, pepper, and in the microwave for about 5 minutes
00:13 wizzyrea eek sorry
00:14 wizzyrea garlic, if you feel like it
00:14 jcamins Hehe.
00:14 jcamins I was inspired by the pancetta idea.
00:14 jcamins I have bacon.
00:14 * jcamins feels very decrepit this evening.
00:15 wizzyrea bacon would totally work too.
00:15 wizzyrea might take a bit longer to cook though
00:15 jcamins I carried 40# (18kg) of groceries home, and now I can hardly lift my arms.
00:15 jcamins The bacon's already cooked, which is less than ideal, but combining bacon and asparagus sounds inspired.
00:16 wizzyrea oof!
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00:31 dcook I heard bacon
00:31 dcook Nothing like a good trip to the grocery store to wear one out
00:31 * dcook likes bag's idea of grilling the asparagus
00:31 dcook I think I usually just have it fried
00:31 wizzyrea grilling it would be good. But more work than microwaving.
00:31 bag with a little olive oil salt and pepper :)
00:32 dcook I don't think we're allowed to use the microwave for cooking in the house
00:32 dcook Maybe for 'baked' potatoes
00:32 wizzyrea "steamed" potatoes ^.^
00:32 dcook hehe
00:32 dcook Mmm, you guys are making me hungry
00:32 wizzyrea i specialise in that.
00:33 dcook Hmm, curry wednesday?
00:33 * dcook almost wants to try something new today
00:33 wizzyrea *nod*
00:33 eythian curry wednesday was today, indeed.
00:34 dcook When I think about Catalyst, my first two thoughts are usually "open source" and "curry wednesday"
00:34 eythian not beer o'clock? For shame!
00:34 dcook That's sometimes the third thought ;)
00:34 dcook I guess you folk don't talk about beer enough
00:35 wizzyrea it's because we're at beer o'clock
00:36 dcook That's true. I guess you don't want to rub the rest of our noses in the (lack of) beer
00:37 bag I always think about trea and whiskey :)
00:37 bag heh
00:37 bag good story good times :D
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00:38 rangi ok, bugzilla is going to go down for a minute, and wahanui and the logbot, resizing the disk on my linode bbiab
00:38 dcook cheers, rangi
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00:51 rangi its just hte 1024 one
00:51 dcook That handles bugzilla and all the things?
00:52 rangi yup
00:52 rangi ive tuned them quite a bit
00:52 rangi nginx is out in front doing all the static stuffs
00:52 rangi right dashboard and logs back
00:53 dcook Sweet. I keep thinking about getting the 1024 just so I can play around wherever without opening up my home network. Hmm..
00:54 * dcook looks to see if openshift is still free..
00:55 dcook What happens if you exceed your usage with Linode? Extra fees or do they just halt traffic?
00:55 rangi dunno, never had it happen
00:56 rangi Total: 52.8 GB
00:56 rangi you have used 2%
00:56 rangi so 52 GB is 2%
00:56 dcook Well that answers that question
00:56 rangi you get like 2066GB a month
00:57 wizzyrea it's ludicrous
00:57 dcook That's true. Having never run a server, I'm never sure how much traffic actually gets generated.
00:58 rangi thats hosting all the downloads
00:58 rangi ive never got close
00:58 rangi http://download.koha-community[…]wstats/
00:59 rangi download does the most traffic of any of hte sites i have on there
00:59 wizzyrea has only ever done 2gb
00:59 wizzyrea well in recent times
00:59 jcamins wizzyrea: I sauteed the asparagus with flour and bacon, then seasoned with red pepper flakes and rice vinegar.
00:59 jcamins It's amazing.
00:59 wizzyrea well that sounds magic.
01:00 * dcook wonders if jcamins's retirement plan involves becoming a chef
01:01 jcamins dcook: the thought has crossed my mind.
01:04 jcamins Yeah... wow.
01:07 * jcamins can't get over how good that was.
01:09 dcook :)
01:13 rangi dcook: they have this now too, which is pretty sweet
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01:17 dcook That does look rather rad. I could use all the help I could get on monitoring a system.
01:21 dcook That is a rather nice set of guides as well
01:21 dcook I don't know what I would really use it for but it would be fun nonetheless...
01:22 dcook For the cost of a (small) case of beer, why not, eh?
01:22 jcamins A case of beer?
01:23 jcamins That seems very cheap for a case of beer.
01:23 jcamins Unless you're looking at one of the larger instances.
01:24 wizzyrea cjh++ again with the gitify and general awesomeness.
01:25 dcook cjh++ indeed
01:25 dcook jcamins: $20 for a case of beer?
01:25 dcook In this case, I'm referring to 6 bottles. I think that's outrageously expensive :p
01:25 cjh ty :)
01:25 dcook He lives!
01:25 * cjh fades back into the darkness
01:26 jcamins dcook: oh, I thought a case was 24.
01:27 dcook If I knew you didn't drink/like beer, I'd say I like the way you think
01:27 jcamins lol
01:37 wizzyrea rangi++ for mentioning longview
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01:44 |R Hey there :)
01:45 |R I've got a weird question, I need to convert our MARC21 file I have to UNIMARC... I see it's easy to import into Koha, but is the unimarc export as easy for a stock install? or anything I should take into account? :)
01:46 jcamins |R: Koha doesn't do any MARC conversion. You'll need to use something else to do that.
01:46 |R oh ok, thanks for saving me from trying !
01:47 |R I've been looking around for such a conversion tool and it's ... well... very hard to find
01:47 jcamins Yeah, that's not something that most people do.
01:48 |R yeah, we're a small journal platform in québec using marc21 but people in france need unimarc
01:48 |R and from what I understand some commercial SIGB do it, but simple tools need you to write your own convesion config (And i'm no marc21/unimarc expert at all)
01:49 eythian I get the impression that they're semantically different in parts, so a general automated conversion is impossible.
01:49 eythian that said, you could probably automate 90+% of it
01:50 |R yeah, no 1-to-1 it seems, but then again, a stock one would probably do in our case wher eit's just journals title / isbn and such...
01:50 |R I think I've found the other way around at some point but ... hehe
01:52 rangi IR: just a point, (since you hit my pet peeve) the opposite of open source is not commercial, it's proprietary .. both proprietary and opensource can be commercial and non commercial
01:52 rangi what id look for is an xslt file that does the crosswalk
01:52 rangi and then write a few lines of perl to use that to do it
01:53 |R sorry for the mishap, I usually proprietary in french (and I agree! ;)
01:53 |R say*
01:54 rangi  <-- maybe this?
01:54 dcook IR: This isn't complete but perhaps you could reverse engineer it ([…]
01:54 |R so, marc to marc-xml then xslt to unimarc-xml to ...
01:55 rangi yeah that was what i was thinking
01:55 rangi From MARC21 to UNIMARC or the reverse
01:55 dcook Actually, don't BibLibre have marc21 to unimarc tools?
01:55 rangi that marconvert looks like it shold do what you want
01:55 rangi and its apache license
01:55 |R but it's not available actually, it's just MARCvie
01:55 |R w
01:56 rangi ah lamers
01:56 |R they always talk about both, but then MARConvert needs to be custom built for your need,
01:56 rangi id hunt in the source
01:56 rangi maybe they have an xslt file in there :)
01:56 rangi if you can get the source that is
01:57 |R I looked at their repository, but my is that when it got open sourced and given to OCLC, it somehow seems to have gotten unevenly released..
01:57 rangi how werid that oclc would do something like that
01:57 |R my guess* (damn laptop keyboard)
01:57 rangi weird even
01:57 rangi (that was sarcasm btw :))
01:57 |R :P
01:58 rangi wow is slow for me
01:58 wizzyrea I need a gif for "How WEIRD!"
01:58 |R haha :)
01:58 dcook rangi: They know it's you! ;)
01:59 wizzyrea the internets can sense haters.
01:59 rangi wtf
01:59 rangi[…]rt/trunk/clients/
01:59 rangi who does that???!??!
01:59 dcook Mm, looks like my little project was unimarc to marc21..
01:59 |R exactly
02:00 |R dcook: hehe yes, everything to marc21 seems more popular :P
02:00 rangi we released the code, but its utterly unusable
02:00 rangi good luck with that
02:00 |R rangi: yep |
02:00 |R :|
02:00 rangi btw pay us some money for some data you actually already own
02:00 rangi </oclc>
02:00 dcook IR: I'll share my mappings with you at least
02:01 |R dcook: what kind of mapping? :)
02:02 |R (and that MARConvert is a windows gui, MARCview runs in wine but :P)
02:02 pastebot "dcook" at pasted "unimarc to marc21" (77 lines) at
02:03 |R thanks :)
02:03 dcook IR: unimarc to marc21 so not super helpful but possibly better than nothing
02:03 dcook Spent a while comparing the two specs
02:03 dcook np
02:03 |R It'll at least help me confirm a conversion ;)
02:03 eythian just play it backwards
02:04 dcook I wrote that a while ago so it might not be entirely comprehensive
02:04 dcook It might've just had tags that were used in the dataset
02:04 dcook Although that would be weird
02:04 rangi if you play it backwards its here comes the sun by the beatles
02:04 dcook lol
02:04 eythian I don't believe anything to do with MARC could have that effect.
02:05 dcook ^^
02:05 eythian Maybe the Imperial March
02:05 dcook It might be easier to go marc21 to unimarc actually...
02:05 dcook I think unimarc separates out more fields
02:06 |R ok :)
02:07 |R with the time I use for this I might as well just pay someone in France to do it :P
02:08 dcook Not a bad idea
02:08 dcook Although you'd probably need a bit of input
02:08 |R gosh usemarcon could definitaly not be more esoteric...
02:08 dcook[…]-July/024728.html
02:08 dcook IR ^^
02:09 rangi i wonder if it is in one of their repos
02:09 rangi
02:10 jcamins dcook: UNIMARC->MARC21 is much easier *because* UNIMARC separates out more fields.
02:10 |R dcook: I'm always afraid to write to people on their post after 3 years and look like a stalker haha but yeah, I should try and contact them
02:10 rangi hdl is no longer there
02:10 rangi but mail paul
02:11 dcook Paul is super nice, so I'm sure he could give you info at the least
02:11 dcook jcamins: Good point
02:12 |R Paul? :)
02:12 |R I found daniel on twitter I think (the guy who asked)
02:13 rangi or fr for you :)
02:13 |R cool, I'll try with both ^_^
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03:09 |R ok, enough email written, this is past overtime haha ;)
03:37 wizzyrea oh man
03:37 wizzyrea[…]llan/10955082416/ < wellies today
03:37 wizzyrea cruel cruel cruel to be indoors.
03:42 eythian the HDR is strong in this one
03:42 rangi There's 80 trillion Mexican soccer fans in town
03:43 bag evening
03:47 rangi I suspect even though we will get utterly caned in our world cup qualifier tonight a good time will be had by all
03:52 bag oh how long until game time?
03:52 bag anyone going?
03:53 eythian Oh no. I have to bike to Thordon at around 6. It's going to be madness.
03:53 ibeardslee eythian: taking your sword?
03:53 eythian yeah
03:53 bag always
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04:00 eythian ibeardslee: you'd be the sort of person who has a 4mm allen key that I could borrow. Would this be true?
04:01 ibeardslee yes, although it would be at home.
04:02 ibeardslee there are a bunch of sysadmin tools you could browse through in the build room
04:02 eythian I might have a look, ta
04:07 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
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04:56 mtompset Greetings, dpk dpk1
04:57 mtompset Did you forget to set the status of bug 11078 correctly?
04:57 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11078 enhancement, P4, ---, dpk, Failed QA , can lose updates due to race condition during full rebuilds
04:58 * mtompset hopes that dpk dpk1 or WaylonR will reply.
05:09 dac The moment where you think you're so smart with your regex
05:09 dac Then the subsequent moment when you realize that the regex works, but your solution isn't going to work
05:09 dac Grr
05:09 dac Well, it might..
05:10 dac No...mostly yes, but sometimes probably not..
05:11 mtompset dac: So been there, done that. Regex's don't like me. :P
05:12 dac mtompset: Actually, I find regexes and I get along better and better all the time. It might just not be enough in this context
05:12 mtompset So, what are you trying to do and where?
05:13 dac Well, not Koha
05:13 dac Hmm, how to explain it..
05:14 dac Scraping using xpath
05:14 dac Actually, that's not it
05:14 dac That's fine
05:14 dac Building a user-friendly UI to generate xpath based on highlighted sections of a page
05:14 dac That in itself...not that hard
05:14 dac But allowing users to either use highlighting and/or handcrafted xpath...trickier
05:15 dac Because the highlighting reads the actual DOM. Handcrafted queries don't.
05:15 dac I'm generating about 4-6 different queries for different sections of a page...and they're nested
05:16 dac So, the scenario: You've highlighted a list item, and you've highlighted the title, date, and author within that list item. You've built your relative xpath by comparing the selected nodes.
05:16 dac However, you find the selection isn't quite what you want and you want to hand edit...
05:16 dac You don't have a selected node to relate to if you hand edit
05:17 dac One way around that might be using xpath in Javascript but that brings some pain if one uses indexes..
05:17 dac :D
05:19 dac Actually, maybe using xpath in Javascript is the best bet..
05:20 dac I wonder if jquery compensates for IE using 0 based indexes rather than 1 based indexes (as it should)
05:21 mtompset I'll let you go back to your evil, evil world. :P
05:21 dac lol
05:23 mtompset dpk dpk1: you there?
05:24 mtompset Have you ever really wanted to work on something to sign it off, and you didn't get an answer? The problem is usually the other way around. :(
05:25 dac ?
05:28 dac Hmm, maybe the regex idea will work despite being suboptimal
05:29 dac Oh, unless...
05:31 bag oh nice the NZ soccer/football game is on TV here
05:31 bag maybe I'll watch along for a bit
05:31 dac bag: Nice!
05:31 dac How far along is it?
05:31 mtompset That might explain the lack of replies. ;)
05:31 bag I think it starts in another half an hour
05:32 dac I'm trying to remember what the current standing is
05:32 dac All I recall is that Mexico has had a weird time qualifying
05:32 dac Load faster webpage!
05:32 bag I think NZ has to score a bunch of goals :)
05:35 dac 5-1 Mexico in the first leg
05:35 dac Hmm
05:37 dac Mmm, they do have the away goal, so that is handy
05:37 dac So 4 goals..
05:37 * dac used to be a crazy soccer fan
05:41 bag yup NZ needs to win 4-0
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05:46 mtompset Well, that's it. Have a great day, #koha.
05:46 mtompset Bye, dac bag ebegin.
05:54 dac Man...Canada got slaughtered by Honduras in October...
05:54 dac If they had won that game, they could've actually made it..
05:54 dac One day maybe :p
06:14 dac Hmm, turns out the regex trick works
06:15 dac A more difficult solution would be to use xpath to get a list of possible list nodes and then check the parent of each title/date/author node against that list of nodes...
06:15 dac Errr difficult/expensive
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06:25 pabloj hi
06:27 anipablo is anyone here at this hour?
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06:47 * Oak waves
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07:31 wizzyrea sup
07:32 * cait waves
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07:35 reiveune hello
07:44 cait hi reiveune :) and bye all
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07:44 * magnuse waves
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07:57 alex_a bonjour
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08:04 Oak Bonjour Alex, ici, avoir de la crème glacée et café avec du poulet. Sur la maison.
08:04 kivilahtio Excuse me, but what is the new default bootstrap theme?
08:15 magnuse kivilahtio: it's a new theme based on ?
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08:17 cait good morning #koha
08:20 magnuse kia ora work-cait :-)
08:21 kivilahtio hyvää huomenta cait!
08:21 kivilahtio magnuse: Ok, so what does that mean regarding our localization efforts?
08:21 kivilahtio is the new bootstrap still localizable?
08:21 kivilahtio We just started Koha localiation big time
08:22 kivilahtio and we are translating the old prog
08:22 cait kivilahtio: the new bootstrap has a new po file, buidling on the existing one
08:22 magnuse of course it's localizable - this is Koha y'know!
08:22 cait it's in 3.14 only
08:23 kivilahtio my point is that is the work we are doing for prog just now getting wasted
08:23 kivilahtio should we move to bootsrtap now?
08:23 kivilahtio if 50% is wasted, we need to retarget our localization efforts
08:24 magnuse it looks like the prog and bootstrap .po files are about the same size
08:25 magnuse so maybe choose either prog or bootstrap and translate that?
08:26 kivilahtio I think I need to take a look at bootstrap first :)
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08:29 magnuse it's worth a look! :-)
08:29 gaetan_B hello
08:31 kivilahtio looks pretty neat
08:31 kivilahtio I guess everyubody is moving to bootstrap then?
08:36 cait kivilahtio: you can translate prog, then ask bernardo - he can move the strings that are doubled up
08:36 cait kivilahtio: he did that for existing translations, so only the differences for bootstrap had to be translated
08:47 kivilahtio looks like bootstrap and prog are almost similar
08:55 kivilahtio any prognosis for the future of prog vs bootstrap?
08:56 kivilahtio is there an agreement to deprecate prog?
08:56 cait it will be a step by step thing
08:56 cait but yes, check the mailing list, there has been a discussion about it
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09:20 samueld hi everybody
09:22 cait hi samueld
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10:16 magnuse yay!
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10:23 schnydszch Hi! I'm importing a book with this 952: 952 \\$iMR_$kR_$p07776d$v0.00$40$eDo​nation$00$915303$bLLS$m0$10$o(F) KPM 1744.5 O32 2005$d0000-00-00$n0$j0$50$70$2l​cc$g0.00$yBK$l0$aLLS$fDonation I enabled add incoming record in item processing
10:24 cait is LLS an existing branchcode?
10:24 schnydszch I added 962i in BKS framework
10:24 schnydszch yes it is.
10:25 schnydszch the problem is 952i, which is the newest data is not imported
10:26 schnydszch all other data in 952 tag are already in Koha, only subfield is the newest data
10:27 schnydszch and also $k
10:28 cait items won't get overlayed
10:28 cait there will be a brand new feature in 3.14 to let you do that, but currently it's not possible
10:29 schnydszch okay. 3.14 will be out in a week right?
10:29 cait yes, but it will be very very new then
10:31 schnydszch one thing to do what i wanted to do is to delete the items but that won't work since there are items circulated already
10:31 cait what is in $i?
10:33 schnydszch it's supposed to be MR No.
10:33 schnydszch Memorandum Receipt No. for a particular item
10:34 cait yu could use sql to insert into the items and then do a complete reindex
10:34 cait that's what you can currently do, apart from writing a script and adding the info or waiting for 3.14
10:35 schnydszch but only the itemnumberbiblionumberbiblioitemnumberbarcodedateaccessionedbookselleridhomebranchpricereplacementpricereplacementpricedatedatelastborroweddatelastseenstacknotforloandamageditemlostwthdrawnitemcallnumbercoded_location_qualifierissuesrenewalsreservesrestricteditemnotesholdingbranchpaidfortimestamplocationpermanent_locationonloancn_sourcecn_sortccodematerialsuriitypemore_subfields_xmlenumchroncopynumberst
10:35 schnydszch are available columns, and 952$i can only be put in more_subfields_xml
10:36 cait you could consider using stocknumber
10:36 schnydszch hmm..
10:36 cait it's nrmally mapped to §i
10:36 cait it's an inventory number
10:36 cait that is if you are not using it already for other information
10:36 cait hm and i don't see it in your list
10:36 cait which version are you on?
10:37 schnydszch the latest 3.12.6
10:38 cait hm there shoudl a be stocknumber in items and deleteditems then
10:39 schnydszch i should add this in deleteditems table?
10:39 schnydszch oh it's already there
10:45 schnydszch ow about $k? it's different from MR or stocknumber. I'll try to work this out again tomorrow. Thank you very much @cait Cheers!
10:45 cait not sure what $k is
10:46 cait ah, already gone :)
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10:53 Sammie Good morning! Well in my part of the world.....relatively new user, is there a way to automatically assign barcodes? Right now I'm physically inputting bar odes for my serials.
10:53 cait hi Sammie
10:54 cait there is an AutoBarcode perference, but i am not sure if it will work if you are adding serial issues in the serials module
10:54 cait it will work in cataloguing
10:54 Sammie Oh I see!
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12:59 ebegin morning !
13:00 cait hi ebegin :)
13:00 cait bgkriegel++ #being an awesome translation manager
13:05 tcohen morning!
13:06 ebegin @wunder montreal quebec
13:06 huginn ebegin: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is -4.0°C (8:00 AM EST on November 20, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Windchill: -6.0°C. Pressure: 30.62 in 1037 hPa (Rising).
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13:08 francharb Good morning #koha
13:19 cait good mornign tcohen :) and francharb :)
13:19 cait so good to see you back
13:25 francharb good morning cait! thank you!!
13:26 francharb I'm glad being back here! :)
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13:28 oleonard Hi #koha
13:28 cait hi oleonard
13:28 cait i have a complaint :)
13:28 cait the little arrow next to cart - i have difficulties making it behave nicely for words (translations) of different length
13:28 * oleonard puts his fingers in his ears and starts singing
13:28 cait heh
13:29 oleonard Can you elaborate cait?
13:29 cait i can show :)
13:29 cait
13:30 cait when the little arrow in lists looks nice for one language, it's ugly for the other
13:31 cait there are different places we have tht, another is the more searches pull down with a down arrow
13:31 oleonard I see
13:31 oleonard This complaint must have been long-simmering
13:32 cait we updated another library to 3.12 today, so i ran into it again :)
13:36 oleonard That is a shortsighted design decision. :(
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13:39 cait oleonard: i think it did work in older version with the single gif, maybe we can think of something?
13:39 cait it's not super urgent, just a bit weird and against my perfectionism :)
13:39 cait i think there are 3-4 places where hte arrows appear
13:40 tony Which install package should I use since my server is Centos
13:41 cait oleonard: for comparision - a 3.6 installation
13:41 oleonard Yes, I changed the way the buttons were styled, using more modern CSS techniques.
13:43 tcohen bug 10908
13:43 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10908 blocker, P1 - high, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , Fix broken auth_by_bind LDAP mode
13:43 tcohen that's a blocker for 3.12.x too?
13:43 tony Which install package should I use since my server is Centos
13:43 cait hm coudl imagine it is, but maybe ask eythian?
13:44 cait tony: there are no centos packages, packages are only available for debian and ubuntu afaik
13:44 cait tony: there are some older centos intallation instructions on our wiki
13:44 cait wiki*
13:44 cait wiki?
13:44 cait wiki is
13:44 cait wiki?
13:44 cait wahanui: wiki is
13:44 tony Thanks you guys .. I was thinking that a debian package might work
13:44 cait oh. no wahanui.
13:44 tcohen tony, make sure you at least have CentOS 6
13:45 tony I do
13:45 tcohen otherwise you will suffer a lot, because Perl 5.8 is deprecated for the stable Koha
13:45 tcohen oh
13:45 tcohen great :-D
13:45 cait @later tell eythian can you bring back wahanui please?
13:45 huginn cait: The operation succeeded.
13:45 tcohen @later tell eythian is 10908 a blocker for 3.12.x?
13:45 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded.
13:57 oleonard jcamins around?
13:58 cait oleonard: would it be ok to file a bug?
13:58 oleonard cait: Yes, definitely
13:58 cait ok, will do
14:00 cait oleonard: done - bug 11276
14:00 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11276 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Sprite icons not in right spot on translated templates
14:01 tcohen oleonard: what was the URL for sco?
14:01 oleonard /cgi-bin/koha/sco/
14:02 tcohen thx :-D
14:05 oleonard Interesting translation problem paul_p raises... term vs. term...
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14:05 cait yeah, i have had that happen too
14:05 cait subject
14:06 cait email subject and topical subjects
14:06 cait there are some examples
14:06 balamurugan hello to all
14:07 balamurugan anybody here to help me to rebuild zebra index
14:07 oleonard How did you install Koha balamurugan?
14:07 balamurugan i installed koha 3.8 through live cd
14:08 balamurugan and the is in the migration_tools directory
14:08 balamurugan i checked that also
14:08 jcamins oleonard: what's up?
14:09 oleonard jcamins: You're a fan of ElasticSearch are you?
14:09 balamurugan but while i am giving the command rebuild it is saying that command not found
14:09 jcamins oleonard: I am, yes.
14:10 balamurugan i log as root user oleonard and given the command
14:10 balamurugan in the terminal
14:10 oleonard Do you think that will translate into working on ElasticSearch for Koha?
14:10 jcamins Probably not, no.
14:10 jcamins Why do you ask?
14:11 oleonard There is a discussion on the ByWater Partners list about implementing a browse feature, but the work that has been done is all in Solr
14:12 oleonard Since I'm guessing no ByWater libraries are using Solr, that route seems like a non-starter
14:12 cait hm and external to koha i think - is it the one from the italian library?
14:12 oleonard cait: Yes
14:12 cait ah
14:12 cait i think he presented it ... in edinburgh maybe?
14:13 jcamins Ah. Interesting. I probably would've chosen to do browse with Zebra, given that's what the data is in already.
14:13 cait i had the impression it was using solr only for the index, but still using zebra for search
14:13 jcamins cait: right, that's why I would've done browse using Zebra.
14:14 oleonard I don't know anything about how browse could work in Zebra or Solr or ElasticSearch, but I would hate to see a lot of effort put into making it work with Solr if there is a serious push to move away from both Solr and Zebra
14:14 tcohen @later tell gmcharlt $record->encoding( 'UTF-8' ) vs SetMarcUnicodeFlag($record, $marcflavour)?
14:14 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded.
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14:25 cait oleonard: maybe implementing it with zebra shoudl be discussed
14:26 cait making solr fully work might be more work
14:26 cait and having both search engines installed and running seems... wrong
14:35 oleonard yes, especially if you only need one of them for a browse feature
14:41 cait jcamins: is browsing with zebra doable?
14:42 jcamins cait: not easily, but I believe it would be possible.
14:54 ashimema Probably a completely stupid question.. but what exactly do people actually mean by a 'browse feature'
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14:57 oleonard See Bug 569
14:57 huginn Bug[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=569 enhancement, P2, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Searches need 'browse' option
15:00 oleonard Also: Yay, a bug I filed 10 years ago is still open!
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15:01 oleonard Of course it is an enhancement request ;)
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15:07 nengard hehe
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15:08 ashimema thanks oleonard..
15:12 ashimema pretty impressive to have such a long lasting enhancment in bugzilla though ...
15:12 ashimema you could have learnt to code it in that time frame ;)
15:12 ashimema had you not been making koha look so great ;)
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15:13 oleonard Yeah... I wasted some time on Twitter and stuff too...
15:18 cait oleonard: and still thousands of libraries adopted koha in the meantime without any browsing ;)
15:18 cait oleonard: here libraries are asking for it too, of course
15:22 oleonard I guess no one wants it badly enough to sponsor it yet
15:22 nengard the thing is i think it's something libraries want but patrons don't clammer for so no one has pushed very hard to get it
15:22 nengard or what oleonard said :)
15:23 nengard when i'm in training things always seem like the end of the world ... but then the libraries never mention it again :)
15:24 oleonard Yeah, it makes you wonder what other things would stop being an issue if they just lived with it for a while
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15:27 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
15:28 oleonard Hi mtompset
15:29 * mtompset is awaiting the release of Koha Pi. That is today, is it not?
15:30 jcamins mtompset: gmcharlt is in the US.
15:31 senator IOW, it's 7:31 AM for him :-)
15:31 jcamins senator: actually, I meant today is "today," not "tomorrow."
15:32 cait hm i thought 21st
15:32 cait and today is 20th?
15:32 * oleonard thought the 21st as well
15:32 jcamins cait: right, it's the 21st in NZ later today, but gmcharlt is in the US. :)
15:33 gmcharlt it's the 21st, in my time zone
15:33 gmcharlt (mwa-ha-ha?)
15:33 cait oh?
15:33 cait you people are confusing me. again.
15:33 cait :)
15:33 cait today is the 20th. I am sticking with that
15:33 gmcharlt er, release is the 21st, in my time zone, i.e., tomorrow
15:33 cait but you can release earlier if you raelly want to - on my 20th :)
15:33 gmcharlt I'm not asserting that I live one day in the future ;)
15:34 jcamins But if gmcharlt lived in NZ, today would actually be tomorrow, so the release would be tonight.
15:34 * cait mimicks owen and puts fingers in her ears and starts singing
15:34 jcamins (yes, this is actually how I think about time zones)
15:35 gmcharlt let's go by the One True Guide
15:35 gmcharlt @arewethereyet
15:35 huginn gmcharlt: Not yet - wait 1 day
15:36 oleonard huginn, you're not the boss of gmcharlt!
15:36 huginn oleonard: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
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15:42 * mtompset laughs.
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15:58 * cait curses a bit about the quote of the day feature
15:58 cait i have alibrary where it just won't show up on the start page and i don't see why
15:59 jcamins cait: missing quotes?
15:59 cait nope
15:59 cait quuotes look fine
15:59 cait feature is activated
15:59 cait it does show on their test system
15:59 cait not on production
16:00 mtompset cait: I found the number mess to be strange.
16:00 mtompset Oh, that's news. Sorry.
16:03 oleonard cait: Not hidden by JS or CSS is it?
16:10 mtompset Can you give a set of steps to duplicate the problem?
16:16 cait oleonard: doesn't look like it
16:16 cait quite a puzzle
16:18 mtompset So quote of the day was added 3.10.0...
16:20 mtompset which theme are you using?
16:23 cait mtompset: prog
16:23 mtompset Hmmm.... strange... t/db_dependent/Koha.t failed...  checking my daily.
16:23 mtompset I mean data.
16:24 mtompset Ah... my data is empty.
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16:31 ashimema brb
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16:34 mtompset How do you add quotes?
16:35 oleonard /cgi-bin/koha/tools/
16:35 cait it's under tools
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16:39 mtompset found it under tools... QOTD -- not exactly what I was quickly scanning for. :)
16:39 mtompset Okay, data in place. tests run.
16:40 mtompset Umm... so it isn't even displaying the quote of the day on the main screen?!
16:40 cait nope.
16:40 mtompset Is that the problem?
16:40 cait feature is turned on, quotes in database, no quote
16:40 mtompset but opac-main?
16:40 mtompset or opac-search?
16:40 mtompset which opac page are you expecting it on?
16:40 cait main
16:40 cait only main
16:41 mtompset well, that's strange.
16:42 mtompset I had your problem. I did a refresh after clicking the icon, and it is showing now.
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16:44 mtompset cait: How many quotes are in the DB?
16:45 oleonard mtompset: "clicking the icon?"
16:45 mtompset top left of the bar... nice big koha icon.
16:47 tcohen bye #koha
16:47 mtompset bye, tcohen.
16:47 mtompset cait: I can't replicate the problem now. :(
16:47 jcamins I can't seem to find Firebug in FF 3.6.
16:48 mtompset 3.6?!
16:48 jcamins Yeah.
16:48 mtompset Oh right... you aren't using windows and running up the version numbers like toilet paper.
16:48 jcamins Nah, I also have FF gazillion something.
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16:49 jcamins Oh, never mind. This script never worked in FF 3.6. So it's not my fault.
16:49 cait mtompset: yeah , not surprised
16:49 cait it wrks on the test installation
16:49 * jcamins loses interest.
16:49 cait i will have to run some more tests
16:49 cait mtompset: thx for testing
16:50 mtompset No problem.
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17:04 reiveune bye
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17:14 rambutan @quote add <mtompset> Oh right... you aren't using windows and running up the version numbers like toilet paper
17:14 huginn rambutan: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
17:15 mtompset *whew* saved from the reputations as a talking about toilet paper. :P
17:38 SlyzertVoltrond Can I backup Koha's application by just copying the directory which Koha's source codes resides to some place and later put it back in if necessary?
17:38 mtompset What are you trying to backup?
17:38 mtompset And why?
17:40 SlyzertVoltrond Just the application(Perl), I know about db backups
17:41 SlyzertVoltrond For in case the upgrade process ran into problems and the system is unusable because of it, I can just revert back to the old version
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17:49 * cait waves
17:52 * nengard waves back
17:52 cait :)
18:00 |R I see koha uses 9999 as port for SRU, is this a standard ? seems to be using the same port as z39.50 (210) and nothing in /etc/services nor on google :)
18:08 gmcharlt |R: there's no standard port
18:09 |R ok :)
18:33 oleonard[…]sb000l2y3#summary !
18:34 gmcharlt !
18:34 cait !
18:35 oleonard I felt it, but it didn't occur to me that it might be an earthquake.
18:40 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch '3.14.x' <[…]2a197e25c7e37fbca> / Translation updates for 3.14.0 <[…]e43b176c77c6e2436> / Merge branch 'new/bug11269' into 3.14.x <[…]a27aeb378b9f6a09d> / Merge
18:40 gmcharlt bgkriegel++
18:40 gmcharlt translators++
18:40 gaetan_B bye !
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18:53 cait bgkriegel++ :)
18:55 * cait feels like it can't be 3.14 yet
18:55 cait time is moving so fast this year
19:03 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #125: SUCCESS in 3 hr 14 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_3.12.x/125/
19:03 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 11269: fix incorrect use of MARC::Field->subfield()
19:03 jenkins_koha * D Ruth Bavousett: Bug 8070: improve MARC preview display for RTL languages
19:03 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10016: force zero browser-side caching of SCO pages
19:03 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 10016: munge history in SCO to discourage resubmitting user login
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19:03 jenkins_koha * Colin Campbell: Bug 11054: Specify UTF-8 encoding when creating a child record
19:03 jenkins_koha * Sophie Meynieux: Bug 10720: fix issue that prevented use of HTML tags in overdue notices
19:03 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11269 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , Latest MARC::Record makes visible some wrong usage of field->subfield in C4::Search
19:03 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8070 minor, P5 - low, ---, druthb, Pushed to Master , <pre> block produced by really not good in RTL languages
19:03 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10016 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Stable , SelfCheckTimeout not logging patron out
19:03 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11054 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Stable , Creating a child record has problems with accented Latin characters
19:03 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10720 normal, P3, ---, sophie.meynieux, Pushed to Stable , Substitution term in overdue notices shouldn't be removed even if they don't match
19:05 bag yeah cait this last release seems to have gone so fast
19:05 cait the whole year really... super fast
19:05 cait and there is never a 'done' :)
19:06 bag heh nope never done :)
19:06 bag only released
19:09 cait yeah and then we start over :)
19:11 * druthb looks up from the puzzle she's workin' on, waves at bag, and goes back to her head-scratcher.
19:13 bag heya druthb
19:24 nengard do we have a date for kohacon14 yet?
19:24 oleonard If you don't have a date yet you can go with me nengard
19:24 nengard awww
19:24 nengard :)
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19:25 nengard But I meant dates for the conference - like what time of year :)
19:26 oleonard I think I remember tcohen saying early October like this year, but I don't know if it's official
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19:30 nengard okey dkey
19:30 nengard dokey
19:31 nengard list emailed
19:31 nengard :)
19:32 cait bgkriegel++ again for putting the marc frameworks into pootle
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19:39 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11204: make pendingreserves use
19:39 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Translation updates for 3.14.0
19:39 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11204 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , pendingreserves should use
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19:51 trea anyone around that wants to talk about authorities?
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19:54 cait trea: hi trea
19:54 cait not sure about the topic... but we could try?
19:55 trea hi cait - cronjob? does this need some steps to be taken before it will work successfully?
19:55 trea like running the linker perhaps?
19:55 cait oh :(
19:55 cait sorry, not sure about that
19:55 cait i think there might be a pref
19:55 cait have you looked for merge?
19:55 talljoy there is a syspref that talks about the merge cronjob for authorities
19:55 * oleonard asks jcamins whenever authorities are involved
19:56 cait dontmerge <
19:56 jcamins I don't use the merge_authority script.
19:56 jcamins Actually, I don't use authority merging at all in Koha, since I don't think it works.
19:56 talljoy trea what is their dontmerge authorities preference set to?
19:56 talljoy and i'm with jcamins, i use the linker instead
19:57 trea this is sounding more and more like terminology confusion then
19:58 talljoy lol
19:58 talljoy it does to the non-authoritarian
19:58 jcamins What do they want to do?
19:58 trea "dontmerge" is set to "Do"
19:58 talljoy jcamins they want to edit a bib and have it update the bib
19:58 talljoy sorry
19:58 trea so, that would make the cron unnecessary
19:58 talljoy edit an auth and have it update the bib
19:58 jcamins Okay.
19:59 jcamins In that case, you don't need to run the script because you have dontmerge set so it's not necessary.
19:59 talljoy right.
19:59 trea right, that's what i needed to know. thanks
19:59 trea jcamins++
19:59 trea cait++
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20:32 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 2.4°C (9:30 PM CET on November 20, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Steady).
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20:48 francharb hey all
20:48 nengard @wunder 78741
20:48 huginn nengard: The current temperature in East Cesar Chavez, Austin, Texas is 21.7°C (2:48 PM CST on November 20, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
20:48 francharb have you ever experienced trouble importing biblios with items lately?
20:49 francharb Biblios are staged correctly
20:49 francharb but not the items
20:49 francharb I´m using wizzyrea marc21 dataset
20:49 francharb there are items
20:49 francharb the set up seems ok
20:50 francharb but when I stage the records
20:50 francharb no more items
20:50 francharb :(
20:50 wizzyrea hm
20:50 wizzyrea default branches installed?
20:50 francharb yes
20:51 francharb I check koha to marc mapping, branches, item types, authorised values
20:51 francharb seems all good
20:51 wizzyrea hmm
20:51 wizzyrea clean database?
20:51 wizzyrea as in, empty?
20:51 francharb the items table is empty
20:52 francharb but not the biblio and biblioitems
20:52 cait francharb: hm what setting did you pick for items on the import screen?
20:52 francharb the default one
20:52 francharb check the items
20:52 francharb always import
20:52 cait hmm
20:52 cait and you got a b y?
20:53 cait are the items showing up as imported in your import summary table?
20:53 wizzyrea ^
20:53 francharb cait, nope
20:53 francharb a b y ?
20:53 wizzyrea mine says "985 records found and staged"
20:53 cait subfields :)
20:53 wizzyrea on master, with that dataset
20:54 wizzyrea *item records
20:54 francharb yes
20:54 francharb i have them
20:54 cait no spaces in your branchcode?
20:54 cait i had that happen.
20:54 francharb I installed
20:54 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1515: SUCCESS in 2 hr 3 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1515/
20:54 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11204: make pendingreserves use
20:54 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Translation updates for 3.14.0
20:54 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11204 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , pendingreserves should use
20:55 wizzyrea should be default branches
20:55 wizzyrea you wouldn't have the problem I had, which is duplicate barcodes
20:56 francharb wizzyrea, ¨should be default branches¨. what do you mean?
20:56 wizzyrea the data in that set uses the sample branches
20:56 wizzyrea with the sample branchcodes
20:56 francharb ok
20:56 francharb thats what I checked :)
20:57 francharb its a fresh install, from yesterday
20:57 cait hmm.
20:57 francharb I know, it´s a mystery to mee
20:57 francharb hehe
20:58 francharb tonight I´ll checked on my computer at home. I don´t remember having this problem last time I used this dataset
20:59 wizzyrea no, and I didn't have it just now on that same version
20:59 francharb ok
20:59 francharb :)
21:00 wizzyrea that does seem odd though.
21:01 wizzyrea (I haven't changed the dataset)
21:01 wizzyrea can I just rave a bit more about the tickboxes on the detail page
21:01 wizzyrea because that's so handy.
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21:02 pianohacker hi guys and gals and overenthusiastic bots
21:02 wizzyrea hi pianohacker
21:02 pianohacker hey wizzyrea. How's it going?
21:03 wizzyrea it's a beautiful day outside. :)
21:03 pianohacker same here in colorado, randomly enough
21:03 pianohacker yay fall/spring
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21:06 cait hi pianohacker :)
21:06 pianohacker hey cait. How are ya?
21:06 cait tired? :)
21:06 cait as always heh
21:10 pianohacker cait: I understand well, trust me...
21:10 pianohacker Yay >1 month of school!
21:11 francharb I´m going to check again the set up
21:11 francharb :)
21:18 francharb thank you cait wizzyrea! I´ll do another install
21:18 francharb if i cant find any solution
21:19 cait hm
21:19 cait is there something in the logs?
21:19 cait an error message?
21:19 cait also the tables often have useful information about the matching process
21:19 cait the database tables
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21:30 eythian hi wahanui
21:31 pianohacker wahanui: good afternoon sleepyhead
21:31 wahanui pianohacker: what?
21:34 cait wahanui botsnack cookie
21:34 wahanui :)
21:35 cait thx eythian
21:39 francharb hey cait, the only thing in the log is : [Tue Nov 19 17:21:05 2013] [error] [client] [Tue Nov 19 17:21:05 2013] Filehandle STDOUT reopened as FH only for input at /usr/lib/perl5/Template/ line 964., referer: http://opaccommunity:8083/cgi-[…]
21:40 francharb dont think it´s related...
21:40 cait hm no that seems always to happen
21:40 francharb yes...
21:40 cait you culd look at import_items
21:41 cait it has a column for import_error
21:41 eythian wahanui: status
21:41 wahanui Since Wed Nov 20 21:29:42 2013, there have been 1 modifications and 0 questions.  I have been awake for 11 minutes, 31 seconds this session, and currently reference 34183 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode.
21:41 francharb thanks cait, I´m going to check it rigth now!
21:41 cait i found it helpful when we were trying to find out which items had not been imported because of duplicate barcodes
21:41 cait not sure if it will help in your case
21:46 francharb ahah, now  I can´t import the staged biblios...
21:46 cait oh?
21:46 francharb I just set up the testing database from the sign off wiki page
21:46 francharb[…]gn_off_on_patches
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21:47 francharb and well, there are a couple of biblios and items but I try to upload more
21:47 francharb it doesnt worlk
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21:47 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: fix typo
21:47 francharb well well well
21:47 wizzyrea well I wouldn't probably do taht
21:47 wizzyrea I'd probably just create one with the web installer
21:48 wizzyrea bc that db is probably out of date.
21:48 francharb wizzyrea, probably a better idea
21:48 francharb I just realised that after setting it up
21:48 francharb ahah
21:48 francharb welcome to my 2nd day at my new job after a 4 monts pause
21:48 francharb :)
21:49 wizzyrea :)
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21:49 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: fix typo
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21:49 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: fix typo
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21:52 joels68 Greetings. We meet again, o wise ones.
21:54 pianohacker oh crap I think we forgot the wise ones today
21:54 pianohacker you'll have to deal with us instead...
21:55 joels68 :-D
22:01 cait we are the tired ones
22:02 joels68 Hi cait!
22:02 wahanui Hi cait! are you safely back in germany now?
22:02 cait yes wahanui, all is well
22:02 cait hi joels68:)
22:03 francharb time to stop!
22:03 francharb have a good night, day, afternoon!
22:03 francharb see ya
22:03 francharb and thanks for the help!!
22:04 joels68 Hey hey wizzyrea what's up?
22:04 wizzyrea presently? 2 floors, a roof, and the bluest sky you've ever seen. ;)
22:05 joels68 :P
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22:05 joels68 Yeah, that paradise place...
22:06 rambutan so wizzyrea, have you been out fishin much?
22:06 rambutan If I lived there I'd be fishing every day.
22:07 wizzyrea I have this thing that I do 5 days a week...
22:07 wizzyrea kinda cramps my fishing style.
22:07 rambutan so sad
22:07 wizzyrea but actually, I've only been fishing once.
22:07 wizzyrea but spent many happy hours on the beach.
22:08 rambutan
22:09 joels68 wizzyrea, I could send you a dirty snowball from the midwest.
22:09 rambutan taupo. always wanted to eat taupo
22:09 wizzyrea a whole lake?
22:09 wizzyrea joels68: I'll take a pass on that I think. ;)
22:10 joels68 I just didn't want to get too comfortable down there and forget where ya came from.;-):-[
22:11 rambutan oh, taupo is a lake, not a fish
22:12 rambutan ok, I'll go for tarakihi
22:12 wizzyrea that seems more sensible ;)
22:12 wizzyrea ah there are dirty snowballs here too.
22:12 wizzyrea just have to know where to find them.
22:14 joels68 Is there a MARC batch modify tool coming up? I can't remember.
22:15 wizzyrea there's a command line tool for that
22:15 wizzyrea but the GUI version needs a patron.
22:15 wizzyrea every. single. library. asks. that.
22:15 wizzyrea and none have stepped up to fund it.
22:15 wizzyrea so disappointing.
22:16 joels68 Command line will work for me.
22:17 joels68 I have a lib that wants to hide a collection in the opac.
22:18 wizzyrea I misspoke actually, modify isn't there yet, it desperately needs a patron.
22:18 wizzyrea but delete is.
22:18 wizzyrea as a command line tool
22:19 joels68 So I would need to put a 1 in 942 n for each record?
22:20 cait hmmmm
22:20 cait you could maybe reimport them
22:21 cait in 3.14 khall's amrc modificaton templates could do part of the batch job
22:21 cait but they only work on staging
22:21 wizzyrea I think we have overlay type stuff now.
22:21 cait oh
22:21 joels68 How much $ for that gui enhancement again?
22:22 cait joels68: do they want to hide the whole record? or just items of a collection and the record if the item is the only one?
22:22 wizzyrea idk, would probably require a spec.
22:22 cait i mean is there an item level thing you can recognize these records with?
22:22 wizzyrea bug 5725
22:22 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5725 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, julian.maurice, Failed QA , Batch modifications for Biblios
22:23 wizzyrea items often have ccodes.
22:23 wizzyrea bibs don't./
22:23 joels68 the lib wants their items to be shadowed in opac but still visible on staff side.
22:23 wizzyrea just the items?
22:24 joels68 yep.
22:24 wizzyrea item = the bib too, or just the item
22:24 wizzyrea sorry I should have asked the first question.
22:24 wizzyrea the first question?
22:24 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?"
22:24 wizzyrea but you've mostly answered it I won't make you repeat yourself
22:25 joels68 Just the item. They are moving their cassette tapes to storage so they don't want them seen in opac.
22:26 joels68 Lot's of reading to do for bug 5725....
22:26 cait you want to take a look at opachiddenitems
22:27 cait it should be easy to do that without modifiying records :)
22:27 cait it's a system preference
22:35 joels68 found opachiddenitems.txt. I'll need to start YAMLing...
22:36 rambutan is there any way to ensure the integrity of a mysql db dump--that the dump is an exact representation of the data in the db?
22:39 eythian Not especially
22:39 eythian If you knew no changes were happening, you could do two dumps and compare them, but that's not likely to be that effective.
22:41 eythian realistically, the way to test backups is to do restores and make sure things still work.
22:43 cait good night all
22:43 eythian later cait
22:43 joels68 Good nite cait
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22:44 pianohacker lazyweb: is there a link to the responsive demo?
22:45 joels68 responsive opac?
22:45 jcamins, maybe?
22:45 jcamins bootstrap demo?
22:45 jcamins bootstrap?
22:45 wahanui an up to date demo of the Bootstrap OPAC can be found at - it's tracking from oleonard's branch bootstrap-opac on gitorious. Bug reports should be filed on bug 10309.
22:45 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10309 new feature, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , New OPAC theme based on Bootstrap
22:45 jcamins Ah.
22:45 joels68
22:45 jcamins There ya go.
22:46 eythian TIL jcamins is the lazyweb.
22:47 pianohacker jcamins: Thanks much :)
23:05 wizzyrea forget bootstrap
23:05 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot bootstrap
23:06 wizzyrea bootstrap is running in a demo at It tracks, reasonably closely, the current master version of Koha.
23:11 pianohacker heycatalogers: Preferred name for Library of Congress call numbers?
23:12 pianohacker Whatever egghead thought making two entirely different things that could reasonably be abbreviated LCCN...
23:12 eythian libconcalnums
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23:14 pianohacker I approve. even better, LibConCalNums? Everyone loves SwankyCase!
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23:19 wizzyrea that sounds like a librarian con, on call
23:19 wizzyrea my brain just can't do it.
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