IRC log for #koha, 2013-11-12

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00:01 ashimema night #koha
00:01 dcook night ashimema
00:01 dcook Hope it worked out
00:02 ashimema I'll attack it again in the morning.. no good apssing out on the keyboard..
00:02 ashimema think I worked out why the bulkmarcimport one failed at least.. not all my import records have a 035.. so the match query is not built..
00:02 dcook Hmm, I doubt they should all need that though
00:03 ashimema really I just want those records skipped.. but my brain didn't want to let me work out how to hack the script at this late hour.
00:03 * ashimema thinks the scotch didn't help either
00:03 dcook A good sleep will probably help :)
00:03 ashimema ineed..
00:03 ashimema see ya buddy.
00:03 dcook Have a good one
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00:45 pianohacker Good night #koha
00:50 eythian @later tell ashimema that's exactly what happens, if you have a match and don't have the field, it fails. That's why I don't use match.
00:50 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded.
02:03 eythian I dislike how bulkmarcimport doesn't run in a transaction, so if something breaks, half your data is there, and half isn't.
02:05 eythian also, a transaction would stop the problem with the reindex running while you're importing, as it wouldn't see anything new until everything was committed.
02:07 eythian ah, so if I add --commit with a big number, it'll do something sensible.
02:33 druthb o/
02:33 jcamins o/
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02:42 * mtompset grumbles about references.
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03:11 joels68 Greetings once again.
03:12 joels68 Breaker 1 9, anybody got their ears on?
03:15 druthb Hi, Joel. :)
03:16 joels68 Hi , ruth.
03:17 joels68 Just sharing some Citizens Band radio jargon, the twitter of the 1970s.
03:17 druthb I remember it well. :)
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03:19 joels68 That's a big 10-4, good buddy.
03:20 druthb joels68: it was good getting to meet you at KohaCon. :)
03:21 joels68 Good meeting you too. I always enjoy meeting fun people.
03:22 druthb bag and the other ByWaterians are fun people; I'm just weird.   :P
03:23 druthb mtompset++   #hacking on tests.
03:23 mtompset improving test coverage even!
03:23 mtompset Going from 1 test (does the library load) to actually making calls to all the functions in the library!
03:25 eythian if you wanna be really serious, find a coverage tool and get it to 100% on the module :)
03:25 * druthb chuckles.
03:26 druthb I was about to say "oh!  cplint does that!" but that's an internal tool at cPanel.  Silly Ruthie.  That hot mess of a script does several things--tidys, and checks test coverage, couple of other things.
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03:26 jcamins I use Devel::Cover.
03:27 druthb (our Release Team is kind of fanatical about You Shall Cplint Your Code Before You Submit A Pull Request.  So it's been on my mind lately.)
03:32 * druthb wanders off to bed early tonight.
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03:42 bag evening
03:43 dcook hey ya bag
03:46 joels68 howdy bag
03:46 bag heya joels68
03:52 bag I'm just watching walking dead the end of season 2...  brutal show
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04:47 WaylonR whats a good template to build a new page on?
04:48 bag a blank one?
04:49 joels68 ;-)
04:49 WaylonR hmm? with koha 3.0, i used maint, as that had basically no code etc except for the message.
04:52 joels68 Have you looked at Bootstrap?
04:52 WaylonR bootstrap?
04:52 wahanui an up to date demo of the Bootstrap OPAC can be found at - it's tracking from oleonard's branch bootstrap-opac on gitorious. Bug reports should be filed on bug 10309.
04:52 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10309 new feature, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , New OPAC theme based on Bootstrap
04:52 WaylonR this is a intranet page im working on.
05:01 bag what's the goal WaylonR
05:04 WaylonR to create a new 'edit member' section, called authentication rules. The concept is, borrowers can be authenticated/blocked by ip address range, or by virtuallhost and referrer. So, its a page, with a editable table on it. Got it in html:tmpl form, but now porting it to koha 3.xx, need to use tt.
05:10 WaylonR ahh!
05:10 WaylonR members/ looks like a good template to start with.
05:10 WaylonR simple page with a table of notices on it.
05:10 WaylonR sweet
05:16 bag :)
05:29 WaylonR what you think of the authentication rule concept, bag?
05:30 WaylonR wahanui, who is bag?
05:30 wahanui I LIKE BASEBALL
05:30 WaylonR ....
05:31 mtompset How would that integrate with the LDAP stuff now? I think there is something like that already.
05:33 WaylonR intergrate? I would think that the Authenrules checks would happen before LDAP, and if the rules say, 1, this user is userid, then LDAP authenication would get bypassed. Authrules only get checked if preference("authrule") is true.
05:35 mtompset I'm not sure... and my brain is shutting off. It is past midnight here.
05:35 mtompset I may be turning into a pumpkin. :P
05:36 WaylonR Bed for you then, not sure.
05:36 WaylonR mtompset?
05:36 wahanui hmmm... mtompset is catching up in the non-coding aspects of his ministry.
05:36 WaylonR WaylonR?
05:36 wahanui you are the 34rd developer of Koha, currently working for, a digital library archive. Hes currently porting koha 3.0 modifications to Koha 3.10. So far so good, with one patch on bugzilla already. Bug 9055
05:36 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9055 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wrobertson1981, Patch doesn't apply ,'s multiple branch search, multiple branch security mod
05:46 mtompset Oh right... 9055 is what I was going to test later this week, right, WaylonR?
05:47 WaylonR yes, mtompset
05:47 wahanui well, mtompset is catching up in the non-coding aspects of his ministry.
05:47 WaylonR shush, wahanui
05:47 wahanui WaylonR: i'm not following you...
05:47 WaylonR of course, because im not on facebook. :)
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05:52 * Oak waves
05:53 Oak time to sleep mtompset
05:53 Oak magnuse
05:53 Oak @wunder islamabad
05:53 huginn Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 16.0°C (10:00 AM PKT on November 12, 2013). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
05:53 mtompset In this case, yes. I just posted a patch to bug 7567, and will work on cleaning it up tomorrow.
05:53 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7567 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, ASSIGNED , News by Library: refactor, enhance, and fix
05:53 Oak :)
05:53 Oak sleep well.
05:54 mtompset Good to see you again, Oak. :)
05:54 Oak mtompset++
05:54 Oak you too mtompset :)
05:54 mtompset Have a great day, #koha Oak WaylonR bag dcook and other lurking types. :)
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06:00 dcook morning cait
06:00 cait morning dcook
06:15 * Oak sends a KitKat to cait
06:16 cait thx Oak :)
06:16 Oak see how good that sounds :)
06:17 cait heh
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07:05 WaylonR how do the preferences editor work? you know, the ability to view, click to edit, then edit, then click save to save, mechanics?
07:43 * magnuse waves
07:43 magnuse WaylonR: there is a mix of YAML and JavaScript that accomplishes that, i think
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07:45 reiveune hello
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07:47 gaetan_B hello
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08:15 kf hi #koha
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09:23 Herwig Hey Koha
09:25 Herwig i try to (want to) change a line in the output of our result page ... wanted to change the (or make one) xslt for that where do i find the default pages
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09:41 ashimema how was your koha installed?  It differs depending upon install method
09:58 Herwig packages
09:58 wahanui packages is at
10:00 Herwig 3.08
10:00 magnuse Herwig: look in /usr/share/koha/
10:00 magnuse there are different folders there for opac and intranet
10:01 Herwig ok thx
10:01 magnuse e.g. /usr/share/koha/opac/htdoc​s/opac-tmpl/prog/en/xslt/
10:02 magnuse /usr/share/koha/intranet/htdoc​s/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/xslt/
10:03 ashimema You'll want to make copies of the relevant files and use the syspref to point to them.. then update the copies.. else an upgrade will wipe out your modifications.. I think.
10:03 ashimema I'm no packages pro though...
10:04 magnuse sounds like good advice
10:04 Herwig i start testing on my test server to not do anny disasters ;) thx for the info
10:04 ashimema Good luck Herwig :)
10:10 kf ashimema++
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10:49 tcohen morning kf
10:56 magnuse kia ora tcohen
10:56 tcohen hi magnuse!
10:57 magnuse tcohen: isn't it very early for you?
10:57 tcohen 7:57
10:57 tcohen i'm up since 7 today
10:57 magnuse ah, ok
10:57 tcohen kindof lazy usually
10:57 magnuse hehe
10:57 tcohen not today :-D
10:58 * magnuse did not realize you are 2 hours ahead of new york...
10:59 tcohen that's correct :-D
10:59 tcohen i'm starting to dig into the not-so-many packages-related bugs
11:01 magnuse i see 20 bugs related to packaging?
11:02 tcohen i found 37
11:03 magnuse including enh?
11:03 tcohen[…]d=Packages-search
11:03 tcohen exactly
11:03 magnuse "The search named Packages-search does not exist." :-)
11:04 tcohen oh, it is local to my user
11:04 magnuse probably
11:04 tcohen basically is all but closed/wontfix/invalid
11:05 magnuse i excluded "pushed to master/stable"
11:05 * magnuse wonders why localhost is still showing "It works!" after the default site has been disabled
11:07 tcohen maybe you have nothing enabled
11:08 magnuse no, my koha dev installation is enabled
11:09 tcohen apache 2.4?
11:10 magnuse 2.4.6 i think
11:10 magnuse on ubuntu recently upgraded to 13.10
11:14 tcohen i ran into several problems until i got it running
11:14 tcohen (13.10 too)
11:15 tcohen the most annoying was a "Forbidden" message
11:15 tcohen related to a default config in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
11:16 tcohen <Directory />
11:16 tcohen Options FollowSymLinks
11:16 tcohen AllowOverride None
11:16 tcohen Require all granted
11:16 tcohen </Directory>
11:17 tcohen (it is not safe, but got it working)
11:20 magnuse hm, i think i nailed part of it: files in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ need to have a .conf suffix
11:21 magnuse because of how they are included in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
11:22 magnuse i guess i accepted the new defaul config file(s) for apache when i did the upgrade
11:22 tcohen oh
11:23 tcohen I tried changing the includes line to match * instead of *.conf
11:23 tcohen but a2ensite wouldn't like them without .conf
11:24 tcohen ph, leaving to the office
11:24 tcohen bbl!
11:24 magnuse see ya!
11:35 magnuse ...and there i ran into the problem tcohen was talking about...
11:35 magnuse for the record:[…]ading.html#access
11:36 magnuse we better be prepared for this when apache 2.4 comes to debian...
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12:07 tcohen morning #koha
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12:11 ashimema morning tcohen
12:12 tcohen hi ashimema
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12:41 kivilahtio are there any architectural documents available for Koha?
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13:17 tcohen is there something serials-specific in analytics code?
13:17 tcohen on koha-es some people are concerned that manuscripts analytics don't offer the same options/functionality
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13:31 kf tcohen: it depends on how you do analytics
13:31 kf and yes, if you use 001 currently the monograph doesn't show the link - you'd have to change the xslt
13:31 kf i have to get to look into that at some point... just not sure how to solve
13:31 kf maybe needs to be syspref driven (always or never show the link)
13:32 tcohen can't it be calculated on the presence of 001?
13:33 kivilahtio you could check out bug 11175
13:33 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11175 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, olli-antti.kivilahti, Needs Signoff , Show the parent records child records (aka. component parts) in the detailed views.
13:33 kf jcamins: around?
13:33 jcamins kf: yeah.
13:34 kivilahtio tcohen: kf : This is my way of pushing the component relation to Koha, but I havent figured a way to force 001 == biblionumber for new bibliographic records
13:34 kivilahtio haven't taken a look at it either
13:36 kf the forcing is not the problem
13:36 kf tcohen: our records all have a 001 :)
13:36 kf tcohen: and when you import records, they will have 001 from their source often,
13:36 kf tcohen: the parent does not know about its children
13:37 tcohen we need a way to express that
13:39 gaetan_B bye!
13:40 kf tcohen: anything on record level won#t work with our workflow
13:40 kf tcohen: there might be a way to link from parent to child in marc
13:40 kf you'd have to check the 7xx fields i think
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14:38 vfernandes hello
14:39 vfernandes i have too problems in my koha 3.12 UNIMARC installation: searching on any by barcode of callnumber isn't working and callnumber ordering isnt's working too
14:39 vfernandes *i have two problems
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14:42 vfernandes Bug 9830
14:42 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9830 normal, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Pushed to Master , Some UNIMARC item indexes could be broken whith Queryweightfields syspref
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14:47 vfernandes using indexes barcode and callnumber I can search, but using any not
14:50 vfernandes using for example the barcode 01000014911 I get 0 results... using 01000014911* I get one result
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14:54 kf vfernandes: are you usng grs1 or dom indexing?
14:54 kf master? 3.12?
14:54 kf ah 3.12
14:54 pastebot "vfernandes" at pasted "Record in yaz client" (68 lines) at
14:54 vfernandes dom indexing
14:54 wahanui dom indexing is a lot faster than GRS-1.
14:54 kf i think a lot of work went into unimarc indexing for 3.14 - but ther eare still some patches not tested and pushed
14:55 kf dom indexing for bibliographic data got only added for 3.14
14:55 kf I thin
14:55 kf k
14:55 kf there were patches about the item indexing
14:55 vfernandes no that's for authorities records
14:55 vfernandes for biblio there is support in 3.12
14:56 vfernandes look at this line : <z:index name="Any:w Any:p">0100001491105714ISCTE-IUL0MQ.103 FER*Aná (Res)2011-04-290AM_RESISCTE-IULISCTE</z:index>
14:56 vfernandes the barcode 01000014911 appears
14:56 vfernandes so it should be searchable without *
14:57 jcamins vfernandes: looks like there are spaces missing.
14:57 vfernandes how I can add the spaceS?
14:58 jcamins I am not sure.
14:58 vfernandes in record.abs the line is all any
14:58 jcamins DOM doesn't use record.abs.
14:58 jcamins It uses the other files in that directory.
14:59 vfernandes biblio-koha-indexdefs and biblio-zebra-indexdefs
14:59 jcamins Right.
15:00 vfernandes but there isn't any entry for "all"
15:00 jcamins The index is "Any"
15:02 pastebot "vfernandes" at pasted "Any index" (5 lines) at
15:02 pastebot "vfernandes" at pasted "Any index" (5 lines) at
15:02 jcamins Yup. Apparently that needs to add spaces.
15:02 jcamins I do not know how to do that.
15:05 vfernandes anyone know how to do it?
15:07 kf vfernandes: i think you shoudl cross check in a 3.14 database -it hink item indexing got fixes
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15:17 jcamins Fennel! We're getting fennel! :D
15:17 rambutan watcha gonna do with fennel?
15:18 jcamins Probably caramelize it.
15:20 rambutan I wonder if there's such a thing as French Fennel Soup (à la French Onion Soup)
15:23 kf fennel and onion are not really the same tho
15:23 jcamins No, but I can see it making a good soup.
15:23 * kf prefers salad... or maybe caramelized
15:24 jcamins Yeah, I like the salad best of all, but we're only getting one fennel.
15:25 kf ouch
15:27 oleonard I don't think I know what fennel tastes like
15:28 jcamins Licorice, but good.
15:28 jcamins If you can imagine that seeming contradiction.
15:28 * oleonard can't :P
15:28 kf hm more aniseed to me
15:29 oleonard I don't think can get it in stores here... maybe at the farmer's market
15:29 jcamins kf: I figure if oleonard hasn't tasted fennel he probably hasn't tasted anise either.
15:29 kf oleonard: you shoudl really try fennel :)
15:31 rambutan maybe I'll grow some fennel next year and send jcamins two.
15:32 rambutan
15:34 oleonard "Also called Finocchio" ?
15:35 oleonard The celery who dreamed of being a real boy.
15:35 jcamins lol
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16:11 druthb o/
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16:20 vfernandes kf and jcamins... problem solved
16:20 vfernandes i've looked up to 3.14 files
16:21 vfernandes and done two changes
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16:25 rambutan   <- interesting
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16:27 kf bye all - it's sushi time :)
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16:28 rambutan sushi time
16:30 vfernandes the callnumber ordering is still not working :/
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16:53 reiveune bye
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18:15 magnuse \o
18:20 magnuse jcamins: my fave fennel receipe is similar to this:[…]l-dish-of-sicily/
18:21 jcamins Interesting.
18:21 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
18:21 jcamins We don't have any sardines.
18:21 magnuse except i cook the fennel, instead of sauteing
18:21 magnuse i use canned sardines
18:22 jcamins By cook you mean bake?
18:23 magnuse nah, sorry boil
18:23 magnuse "koke" (boil) in norwegian = cook in my head ;-)
18:23 jcamins Hehe.
18:23 jcamins Got it.
18:23 magnuse and it works without sardines too
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18:43 martian523 hi, i noticed there's a tiny problem with "item type".  When new titles come in, I would put them as "New Books".  After a while we would pull them down and change the status to "Books".  What I've noticed is that these books are still in the "New Books" list, but when I clicked on the title, the status is already changed to "books"
18:43 martian523 Is there a way to fix it?
18:44 jcamins martian523: can you explain more clearly what the problem is?
18:44 jcamins When you say "New Books list," do you mean you create an actual list?
18:46 jcamins Because that sounds like it's working the way it's supposed to.
18:49 martian523 o, sorry, not list
18:50 martian523 item type is new books
18:50 martian523 so i would put new titles as "new books" as item type
18:51 martian523 when they're no longer "new books", i would change the item type to "books"
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18:52 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
18:52 magnuse hiya mtompset
18:52 mtompset Greetings, magnuse.
18:53 martian523 however, if i search by "new books", these books still exist as "new"
18:53 jcamins Okay. I see.
18:53 jcamins And you waited ten minutes after making the change?
18:53 jcamins (for the indexer to catch up)
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18:53 martian523 we did the change yesterday
18:53 jcamins Okay.
18:54 jcamins And you changed the item type on the item or the biblio?
18:54 martian523 i checked both, they're "books"
18:54 jcamins Hrm.
18:57 martian523 o, by the way, i just asked my staff
18:58 martian523 the status of these titles were changed back a long time ago
18:58 martian523 but still appearing in "new books"
19:03 jcamins Odd. How are you searching for new books?
19:03 jcamins Checking the item type in advanced search?
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19:33 martian523 yep
19:33 martian523 sorry for the late replies
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20:11 tcohen bye #koha
20:11 tcohen remember string freeze is approaching for stable
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20:18 * cait waves
20:20 rambutan waves
20:23 cait hi rambutan
20:24 wizzyrea rambutan: I recall when we were initially looking at digitisation solutions, that I thought Omeka would be better for purpose, but I was overruled due to it's lack of social features by the Tech Coordinator at the time.
20:24 wizzyrea sorry that conversation started ages ago. :P
20:25 rambutan yea, well, it's still an interesting conversation
20:26 rambutan I've tried DSpace and Greenstone, didn't care much for GS, and have subsequently defaulted to DSpace, but Omeka is newerish and never appeared on my radar before
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20:27 rangi morning
20:27 wizzyrea yeah and now there's islandora too.
20:27 wizzyrea mornin rangi
20:27 rambutan something about kete when we have it a brief spinup made me think it would be good for documenting "verbal histories" (think there's a better term for that which escapes me at the moment)
20:27 wizzyrea narratives?
20:27 rambutan s/have/gave
20:28 rambutan yea, that works
20:28 rambutan afternoon rangi
20:28 jcamins Omeka is really quite different from DSpace, IMO, though.
20:28 rambutan how so?
20:28 * wizzyrea saw that on a list of "words that ought to be banned from use due to recent overuse"
20:28 rambutan in design, or in functionality?
20:28 jcamins What? "IMO"?
20:28 wizzyrea i.e. it's buzzwordy
20:29 wizzyrea yes, he probably wants to know why you hold that opinion :)
20:29 jcamins wizzyrea: no, that was a question for you.
20:29 jcamins rambutan: DSpace is repository-oriented, whereas Omeka is exhibition-oriented.
20:30 wizzyrea oh, no. Narratives.
20:30 jcamins Oh.
20:30 wizzyrea I was calling myself out on buzzword usage :P
20:30 wizzyrea yayee.
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20:37 rambutan   <- reading now
20:40 rambutan omeka certainly has an attitude of "We're better than everybody else".
20:41 rangi they are both last century ideas
20:41 rangi imho
20:41 rangi neither of them work well for growing/changing things .. they work well for 'finished'
20:42 jeff rangi: "both" in this context is still DSpace / Greenstone?
20:43 rangi yep
20:43 rangi altho i dont like omeka either but for different reasons
20:44 jcamins I like the idea of Omeka.
20:44 wizzyrea I do too.
20:44 jeff we use omeka for our local history site, but i haven't had my hands in it much.
20:44 wizzyrea the execution is mmmm it's alright I gues.s
20:45 jeff the idea of a repository feeding omeka is appealing to me, mostly because i think the repository might have something to add when it comes to keeping the original full-resolution stuff "safe".
20:45 jeff but that might be a bad way of thinking. :-)
20:46 wizzyrea a proper repository is important.
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20:47 jeff for some libraries, "bunch of files in a directory writeable by www-data but with good backups" in omeka might be enough. it might be better than "set up / get access to a full-on repository and feed omeka or similar with that"
20:48 rangi *nod*
20:48 rangi i think it creates bad habits
20:48 jeff "better" in the sense that they can do it faster, iterate, add better backend later.
20:48 jeff but "worse" in the sense that they may never add that better backend, and the backups may never be tested. :-)
20:49 rangi exacterly, and no versioning
20:50 jcamins portsnap update
20:50 jcamins Oops.
20:50 jcamins Wrong window, worry.
20:53 talljoy gmcharlt  <-This just saved my life.  Thanks!!!
20:53 talljoy gmcharlt++
20:53 rambutan omeka uses quicktime movies for all its screencasts. Won't play on my Linux.
20:54 rambutan minus points
20:55 rambutan even vlc won't play them
20:56 jcamins rambutan: surely a version soon will add support for HTML5.
20:59 mtompset @later tell papa I can't reproduce errors using origin/master related to the code you patched for bug 11183. Can you give an example screen shot of something that triggers an error?
20:59 huginn mtompset: The operation succeeded.
21:01 mtompset @later tell papa Ah, success! Found a case.
21:01 huginn mtompset: The operation succeeded.
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22:05 martian523 sorry, i'm back
22:05 martian523 so no solution for my problem?
22:07 cait martian523: what are your itemtype codes?
22:07 cait i have only seen some of the discussions in the logs
22:08 cait and what's the exact search you are using?
22:08 martian523 i use advanced search, click on item type "new books", then search
22:09 cait yes, but what is your itemtype code defined in administration?
22:09 martian523 itemtype code...
22:09 martian523 hold on
22:10 martian523 nbk
22:10 martian523 nbk for new book
22:10 martian523 bk for books
22:14 martian523 and it seems like this happened only for 18 titles.  the switch for other new books to books are ok
22:15 cait hmm
22:16 cait maybe not reindexed right? but i don't know why that would happen
22:17 martian523 yeah, kinda interesting.  the ones we updated yesterday seems to be doing fine
22:17 martian523 these 18 titles were updated a while back
22:18 cait you could try changing something in the record
22:18 cait see if the change gets picked up
22:19 martian523 ok, i'll try that.
22:20 martian523 thanks!
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