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22:20 martian523 thanks!
22:19 martian523 ok, i'll try that.
22:18 cait see if the change gets picked up
22:18 cait you could try changing something in the record
22:17 martian523 these 18 titles were updated a while back
22:17 martian523 yeah, kinda interesting. the ones we updated yesterday seems to be doing fine
22:16 cait maybe not reindexed right? but i don't know why that would happen
22:15 cait hmm
22:14 martian523 and it seems like this happened only for 18 titles. the switch for other new books to books are ok
22:10 martian523 bk for books
22:10 martian523 nbk for new book
22:10 martian523 nbk
22:09 martian523 hold on
22:09 martian523 itemtype code...
22:09 cait yes, but what is your itemtype code defined in administration?
22:08 martian523 i use advanced search, click on item type "new books", then search
22:08 cait and what's the exact search you are using?
22:07 cait i have only seen some of the discussions in the logs
22:07 cait martian523: what are your itemtype codes?
22:05 martian523 so no solution for my problem?
22:05 martian523 sorry, i'm back
21:01 huginn mtompset: The operation succeeded.
21:01 mtompset @later tell papa Ah, success! Found a case.
20:59 huginn mtompset: The operation succeeded.
20:59 mtompset @later tell papa I can't reproduce errors using origin/master related to the opac-MARCdetail.pl code you patched for bug 11183. Can you give an example screen shot of something that triggers an error?
20:56 jcamins rambutan: surely a version soon will add support for HTML5.
20:55 rambutan even vlc won't play them
20:54 rambutan minus points
20:53 rambutan omeka uses quicktime movies for all its screencasts. Won't play on my Linux.
20:53 talljoy gmcharlt++
20:53 talljoy gmcharlt http://tinyurl.com/mp2u63c <-This just saved my life. Thanks!!!
20:50 jcamins Wrong window, worry.
20:50 jcamins Oops.
20:50 jcamins portsnap update
20:49 rangi exacterly, and no versioning
20:48 jeff but "worse" in the sense that they may never add that better backend, and the backups may never be tested. :-)
20:48 jeff "better" in the sense that they can do it faster, iterate, add better backend later.
20:48 rangi i think it creates bad habits
20:48 rangi *nod*
20:47 jeff for some libraries, "bunch of files in a directory writeable by www-data but with good backups" in omeka might be enough. it might be better than "set up / get access to a full-on repository and feed omeka or similar with that"
20:46 wizzyrea a proper repository is important.
20:45 jeff but that might be a bad way of thinking. :-)
20:45 jeff the idea of a repository feeding omeka is appealing to me, mostly because i think the repository might have something to add when it comes to keeping the original full-resolution stuff "safe".
20:44 wizzyrea the execution is mmmm it's alright I gues.s
20:44 jeff we use omeka for our local history site, but i haven't had my hands in it much.
20:44 wizzyrea I do too.
20:44 jcamins I like the idea of Omeka.
20:43 rangi altho i dont like omeka either but for different reasons
20:43 rangi yep
20:42 jeff rangi: "both" in this context is still DSpace / Greenstone?
20:41 rangi neither of them work well for growing/changing things .. they work well for 'finished'
20:41 rangi imho
20:41 rangi they are both last century ideas
20:40 rambutan omeka certainly has an attitude of "We're better than everybody else".
20:37 rambutan http://omeka.org/blog/2010/09/21/omeka-and-peers/ <- reading now
20:30 wizzyrea yayee.
20:30 wizzyrea I was calling myself out on buzzword usage :P
20:30 jcamins Oh.
20:30 wizzyrea oh, no. Narratives.
20:29 jcamins rambutan: DSpace is repository-oriented, whereas Omeka is exhibition-oriented.
20:29 jcamins wizzyrea: no, that was a question for you.
20:29 wizzyrea yes, he probably wants to know why you hold that opinion :)
20:28 wizzyrea i.e. it's buzzwordy
20:28 jcamins What? "IMO"?
20:28 rambutan in design, or in functionality?
20:28 * wizzyrea saw that on a list of "words that ought to be banned from use due to recent overuse"
20:28 rambutan how so?
20:28 jcamins Omeka is really quite different from DSpace, IMO, though.
20:28 rambutan afternoon rangi
20:28 rambutan yea, that works
20:27 rambutan s/have/gave
20:27 wizzyrea narratives?
20:27 rambutan something about kete when we have it a brief spinup made me think it would be good for documenting "verbal histories" (think there's a better term for that which escapes me at the moment)
20:27 wizzyrea mornin rangi
20:27 wizzyrea yeah and now there's islandora too.
20:27 rangi morning
20:26 rambutan I've tried DSpace and Greenstone, didn't care much for GS, and have subsequently defaulted to DSpace, but Omeka is newerish and never appeared on my radar before
20:25 rambutan yea, well, it's still an interesting conversation
20:24 wizzyrea sorry that conversation started ages ago. :P
20:24 wizzyrea rambutan: I recall when we were initially looking at digitisation solutions, that I thought Omeka would be better for purpose, but I was overruled due to it's lack of social features by the Tech Coordinator at the time.
20:23 cait hi rambutan
20:20 rambutan waves
20:18 * cait waves
20:11 tcohen remember string freeze is approaching for stable
20:11 tcohen bye #koha
19:33 martian523 sorry for the late replies
19:33 martian523 yep
19:03 jcamins Checking the item type in advanced search?
19:03 jcamins Odd. How are you searching for new books?
18:58 martian523 but still appearing in "new books"
18:58 martian523 the status of these titles were changed back a long time ago
18:57 martian523 o, by the way, i just asked my staff
18:54 jcamins Hrm.
18:54 martian523 i checked both, they're "books"
18:54 jcamins And you changed the item type on the item or the biblio?
18:53 jcamins Okay.
18:53 martian523 we did the change yesterday
18:53 jcamins (for the indexer to catch up)
18:53 jcamins And you waited ten minutes after making the change?
18:53 jcamins Okay. I see.
18:53 martian523 however, if i search by "new books", these books still exist as "new"
18:52 mtompset Greetings, magnuse.
18:52 magnuse hiya mtompset
18:52 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
18:51 martian523 when they're no longer "new books", i would change the item type to "books"
18:50 martian523 so i would put new titles as "new books" as item type
18:50 martian523 item type is new books
18:49 martian523 o, sorry, not list
18:46 jcamins Because that sounds like it's working the way it's supposed to.
18:44 jcamins When you say "New Books list," do you mean you create an actual list?
18:44 jcamins martian523: can you explain more clearly what the problem is?
18:43 martian523 Is there a way to fix it?
18:43 martian523 hi, i noticed there's a tiny problem with "item type". When new titles come in, I would put them as "New Books". After a while we would pull them down and change the status to "Books". What I've noticed is that these books are still in the "New Books" list, but when I clicked on the title, the status is already changed to "books"
18:23 magnuse and it works without sardines too
18:23 jcamins Got it.
18:23 jcamins Hehe.
18:23 magnuse "koke" (boil) in norwegian = cook in my head ;-)
18:23 magnuse nah, sorry boil
18:22 jcamins By cook you mean bake?
18:21 magnuse i use canned sardines
18:21 magnuse except i cook the fennel, instead of sauteing
18:21 jcamins We don't have any sardines.
18:21 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
18:21 jcamins Interesting.
18:20 magnuse jcamins: my fave fennel receipe is similar to this: http://ouritaliantable.com/2013/04/27/pasta-con-le-sarde-pasta-and-sardines-the-national-dish-of-sicily/
18:15 magnuse \o
16:53 reiveune bye
16:30 vfernandes the callnumber ordering is still not working :/
16:28 rambutan sushi time
16:27 kf bye all - it's sushi time :)
16:25 rambutan http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/linux-voice/ <- interesting
16:21 vfernandes and done two changes
16:20 vfernandes i've looked up to 3.14 files
16:20 vfernandes kf and jcamins... problem solved
16:11 druthb o/
15:35 jcamins lol
15:35 oleonard The celery who dreamed of being a real boy.
15:34 oleonard "Also called Finocchio" ?
15:32 rambutan http://www.jungseed.com/dp.asp?pID=02415
15:31 rambutan maybe I'll grow some fennel next year and send jcamins two.
15:29 kf oleonard: you shoudl really try fennel :)
15:29 jcamins kf: I figure if oleonard hasn't tasted fennel he probably hasn't tasted anise either.
15:29 oleonard I don't think can get it in stores here... maybe at the farmer's market
15:28 kf hm more aniseed to me
15:28 * oleonard can't :P
15:28 jcamins If you can imagine that seeming contradiction.
15:28 jcamins Licorice, but good.
15:27 oleonard I don't think I know what fennel tastes like
15:25 kf ouch
15:24 jcamins Yeah, I like the salad best of all, but we're only getting one fennel.
15:23 * kf prefers salad... or maybe caramelized
15:23 jcamins No, but I can see it making a good soup.
15:23 kf fennel and onion are not really the same tho
15:20 rambutan I wonder if there's such a thing as French Fennel Soup (Ã la French Onion Soup)
15:18 jcamins Probably caramelize it.
15:17 rambutan watcha gonna do with fennel?
15:17 jcamins Fennel! We're getting fennel! :D
15:07 kf vfernandes: i think you shoudl cross check in a 3.14 database -it hink item indexing got fixes
15:05 vfernandes anyone know how to do it?
15:02 jcamins I do not know how to do that.
15:02 jcamins Yup. Apparently that needs to add spaces.
15:02 pastebot "vfernandes" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Any index" (5 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/259
15:02 pastebot "vfernandes" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Any index" (5 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/258
15:00 jcamins The index is "Any"
15:00 vfernandes but there isn't any entry for "all"
14:59 jcamins Right.
14:59 vfernandes biblio-koha-indexdefs and biblio-zebra-indexdefs
14:58 jcamins It uses the other files in that directory.
14:58 jcamins DOM doesn't use record.abs.
14:58 vfernandes in record.abs the line is all any
14:58 jcamins I am not sure.
14:57 vfernandes how I can add the spaceS?
14:57 jcamins vfernandes: looks like there are spaces missing.
14:56 vfernandes so it should be searchable without *
14:56 vfernandes the barcode 01000014911 appears
14:56 vfernandes look at this line : <z:index name="Any:w Any:p">0100001491105714ISCTE-IUL0MQ.103 FER*Aná (Res)2011-04-290AM_RESISCTE-IULISCTE</z:index>
14:55 vfernandes for biblio there is support in 3.12
14:55 vfernandes no that's for authorities records
14:55 kf there were patches about the item indexing
14:55 kf k
14:55 kf I thin
14:55 kf dom indexing for bibliographic data got only added for 3.14
14:54 kf i think a lot of work went into unimarc indexing for 3.14 - but ther eare still some patches not tested and pushed
14:54 wahanui dom indexing is a lot faster than GRS-1.
14:54 vfernandes dom indexing
14:54 pastebot "vfernandes" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Record in yaz client" (68 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/257
14:54 kf ah 3.12
14:54 kf master? 3.12?
14:54 kf vfernandes: are you usng grs1 or dom indexing?
14:50 vfernandes using for example the barcode 01000014911 I get 0 results... using 01000014911* I get one result
14:47 vfernandes using indexes barcode and callnumber I can search, but using any not
14:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9830 normal, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Pushed to Master , Some UNIMARC item indexes could be broken whith Queryweightfields syspref
14:42 vfernandes Bug 9830
14:39 vfernandes *i have two problems
14:39 vfernandes i have too problems in my koha 3.12 UNIMARC installation: searching on any by barcode of callnumber isn't working and callnumber ordering isnt's working too
14:38 vfernandes hello
13:40 kf you'd have to check the 7xx fields i think
13:40 kf tcohen: there might be a way to link from parent to child in marc
13:40 kf tcohen: anything on record level won#t work with our workflow
13:39 gaetan_B bye!
13:37 tcohen we need a way to express that
13:36 kf tcohen: the parent does not know about its children
13:36 kf tcohen: and when you import records, they will have 001 from their source often,
13:36 kf tcohen: our records all have a 001 :)
13:36 kf the forcing is not the problem
13:34 kivilahtio haven't taken a look at it either
13:34 kivilahtio tcohen: kf : This is my way of pushing the component relation to Koha, but I havent figured a way to force 001 == biblionumber for new bibliographic records
13:33 jcamins kf: yeah.
13:33 kf jcamins: around?
13:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11175 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, olli-antti.kivilahti, Needs Signoff , Show the parent records child records (aka. component parts) in the detailed views.
13:33 kivilahtio you could check out bug 11175
13:32 tcohen can't it be calculated on the presence of 001?
13:31 kf maybe needs to be syspref driven (always or never show the link)
13:31 kf i have to get to look into that at some point... just not sure how to solve
13:31 kf and yes, if you use 001 currently the monograph doesn't show the link - you'd have to change the xslt
13:31 kf tcohen: it depends on how you do analytics
13:17 tcohen on koha-es some people are concerned that manuscripts analytics don't offer the same options/functionality
13:17 tcohen is there something serials-specific in analytics code?
12:41 kivilahtio are there any architectural documents available for Koha?
12:12 tcohen hi ashimema
12:11 ashimema morning tcohen
12:07 tcohen morning #koha
11:36 magnuse we better be prepared for this when apache 2.4 comes to debian...
11:35 magnuse for the record: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/upgrading.html#access
11:35 magnuse ...and there i ran into the problem tcohen was talking about...
11:24 magnuse see ya!
11:24 tcohen bbl!
11:24 tcohen ph, leaving to the office
11:23 tcohen but a2ensite wouldn't like them without .conf
11:23 tcohen I tried changing the includes line to match * instead of *.conf
11:22 tcohen oh
11:22 magnuse i guess i accepted the new defaul config file(s) for apache when i did the upgrade
11:21 magnuse because of how they are included in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
11:20 magnuse hm, i think i nailed part of it: files in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ need to have a .conf suffix
11:17 tcohen (it is not safe, but got it working)
11:16 tcohen </Directory>
11:16 tcohen Require all granted
11:16 tcohen AllowOverride None
11:16 tcohen Options FollowSymLinks
11:16 tcohen <Directory />
11:15 tcohen related to a default config in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
11:15 tcohen the most annoying was a "Forbidden" message
11:14 tcohen (13.10 too)
11:14 tcohen i ran into several problems until i got it running
11:10 magnuse on ubuntu recently upgraded to 13.10
11:10 magnuse 2.4.6 i think
11:09 tcohen apache 2.4?
11:08 magnuse no, my koha dev installation is enabled
11:07 tcohen maybe you have nothing enabled
11:05 * magnuse wonders why localhost is still showing "It works!" after the default site has been disabled
11:05 magnuse i excluded "pushed to master/stable"
11:04 tcohen basically is all but closed/wontfix/invalid
11:04 magnuse probably
11:04 tcohen oh, it is local to my user
11:03 magnuse "The search named Packages-search does not exist." :-)
11:03 tcohen exactly
11:03 tcohen http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=runnamed&list_id=81097&namedcmd=Packages-search
11:03 magnuse including enh?
11:02 tcohen i found 37
11:01 magnuse i see 20 bugs related to packaging?
10:59 tcohen i'm starting to dig into the not-so-many packages-related bugs
10:59 tcohen that's correct :-D
10:58 * magnuse did not realize you are 2 hours ahead of new york...
10:57 tcohen not today :-D
10:57 magnuse hehe
10:57 tcohen kindof lazy usually
10:57 magnuse ah, ok
10:57 tcohen i'm up since 7 today
10:57 tcohen 7:57
10:57 magnuse tcohen: isn't it very early for you?
10:56 tcohen hi magnuse!
10:56 magnuse kia ora tcohen
10:49 tcohen morning kf
10:10 kf ashimema++
10:04 ashimema Good luck Herwig :)
10:04 Herwig i start testing on my test server to not do anny disasters ;) thx for the info
10:04 magnuse sounds like good advice
10:03 ashimema I'm no packages pro though...
10:03 ashimema You'll want to make copies of the relevant files and use the syspref to point to them.. then update the copies.. else an upgrade will wipe out your modifications.. I think.
10:02 magnuse /usr/share/koha/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/xslt/
10:01 magnuse e.g. /usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs/opac-tmpl/prog/en/xslt/
10:01 Herwig ok thx
10:00 magnuse there are different folders there for opac and intranet
10:00 magnuse Herwig: look in /usr/share/koha/
10:00 Herwig 3.08
09:58 wahanui packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
09:58 Herwig packages
09:41 ashimema how was your koha installed? It differs depending upon install method
09:25 Herwig i try to (want to) change a line in the output of our result page ... wanted to change the (or make one) xslt for that where do i find the default pages
09:23 Herwig Hey Koha
08:15 kf hi #koha
07:47 gaetan_B hello
07:45 reiveune hello
07:43 magnuse WaylonR: there is a mix of YAML and JavaScript that accomplishes that, i think
07:43 * magnuse waves
07:05 WaylonR how do the preferences editor work? you know, the ability to view, click to edit, then edit, then click save to save, mechanics?
06:17 cait heh
06:16 Oak see how good that sounds :)
06:16 cait thx Oak :)
06:15 * Oak sends a KitKat to cait
06:00 cait morning dcook
06:00 dcook morning cait
05:54 mtompset Have a great day, #koha Oak WaylonR bag dcook and other lurking types. :)
05:54 Oak you too mtompset :)
05:54 Oak mtompset++
05:54 mtompset Good to see you again, Oak. :)
05:53 Oak sleep well.
05:53 Oak :)
05:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7567 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, ASSIGNED , News by Library: refactor, enhance, and fix
05:53 mtompset In this case, yes. I just posted a patch to bug 7567, and will work on cleaning it up tomorrow.
05:53 huginn Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 16.0°C (10:00 AM PKT on November 12, 2013). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
05:53 Oak @wunder islamabad
05:53 Oak magnuse
05:53 Oak time to sleep mtompset
05:52 * Oak waves
05:47 WaylonR of course, because im not on facebook. :)
05:47 wahanui WaylonR: i'm not following you...
05:47 WaylonR shush, wahanui
05:47 wahanui well, mtompset is catching up in the non-coding aspects of his ministry.
05:47 WaylonR yes, mtompset
05:46 mtompset Oh right... 9055 is what I was going to test later this week, right, WaylonR?
05:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9055 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wrobertson1981, Patch doesn't apply , Mandumah.com's multiple branch search, multiple branch security mod
05:36 wahanui you are the 34rd developer of Koha, currently working for Mandumah.com, a digital library archive. Hes currently porting koha 3.0 modifications to Koha 3.10. So far so good, with one patch on bugzilla already. Bug 9055
05:36 WaylonR WaylonR?
05:36 wahanui hmmm... mtompset is catching up in the non-coding aspects of his ministry.
05:36 WaylonR mtompset?
05:36 WaylonR Bed for you then, not sure.
05:35 mtompset I may be turning into a pumpkin. :P
05:35 mtompset I'm not sure... and my brain is shutting off. It is past midnight here.
05:33 WaylonR intergrate? I would think that the Authenrules checks would happen before LDAP, and if the rules say, 1, this user is userid, then LDAP authenication would get bypassed. Authrules only get checked if preference("authrule") is true.
05:31 mtompset How would that integrate with the LDAP stuff now? I think there is something like that already.
05:30 WaylonR ....
05:30 wahanui I LIKE BASEBALL
05:30 WaylonR wahanui, who is bag?
05:29 WaylonR what you think of the authentication rule concept, bag?
05:16 bag :)
05:10 WaylonR sweet
05:10 WaylonR simple page with a table of notices on it.
05:10 WaylonR members/notices.tt looks like a good template to start with.
05:10 WaylonR ahh!
05:04 WaylonR to create a new 'edit member' section, called authentication rules. The concept is, borrowers can be authenticated/blocked by ip address range, or by virtuallhost and referrer. So, its a page, with a editable table on it. Got it in html:tmpl form, but now porting it to koha 3.xx, need to use tt.
05:01 bag what's the goal WaylonR
04:52 WaylonR this is a intranet page im working on.
04:52 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10309 new feature, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , New OPAC theme based on Bootstrap
04:52 wahanui an up to date demo of the Bootstrap OPAC can be found at http://responsive.mykoha.co.nz - it's tracking from oleonard's branch bootstrap-opac on gitorious. Bug reports should be filed on bug 10309.
04:52 WaylonR bootstrap?
04:52 joels68 Have you looked at Bootstrap?
04:49 WaylonR hmm? with koha 3.0, i used maint, as that had basically no code etc except for the message.
04:49 joels68 ;-)
04:48 bag a blank one?
04:47 WaylonR whats a good template to build a new page on?
03:52 bag I'm just watching walking dead the end of season 2... brutal show
03:46 bag heya joels68
03:46 joels68 howdy bag
03:43 dcook hey ya bag
03:42 bag evening
03:32 * druthb wanders off to bed early tonight.
03:27 druthb (our Release Team is kind of fanatical about You Shall Cplint Your Code Before You Submit A Pull Request. So it's been on my mind lately.)
03:26 jcamins I use Devel::Cover.
03:26 druthb I was about to say "oh! cplint does that!" but that's an internal tool at cPanel. Silly Ruthie. That hot mess of a script does several things--tidys, and checks test coverage, couple of other things.
03:25 * druthb chuckles.
03:25 eythian if you wanna be really serious, find a coverage tool and get it to 100% on the module :)
03:23 mtompset Going from 1 test (does the library load) to actually making calls to all the functions in the library!
03:23 mtompset improving test coverage even!
03:23 druthb mtompset++ #hacking on tests.
03:22 druthb bag and the other ByWaterians are fun people; I'm just weird. :P
03:21 joels68 Good meeting you too. I always enjoy meeting fun people.
03:20 druthb joels68: it was good getting to meet you at KohaCon. :)
03:19 joels68 That's a big 10-4, good buddy.
03:17 druthb I remember it well. :)
03:17 joels68 Just sharing some Citizens Band radio jargon, the twitter of the 1970s.
03:16 joels68 Hi , ruth.
03:15 druthb Hi, Joel. :)
03:12 joels68 Breaker 1 9, anybody got their ears on?
03:11 joels68 Greetings once again.
02:42 * mtompset grumbles about references.
02:33 jcamins o/
02:33 druthb o/
02:07 eythian ah, so if I add --commit with a big number, it'll do something sensible.
02:05 eythian also, a transaction would stop the problem with the reindex running while you're importing, as it wouldn't see anything new until everything was committed.
02:03 eythian I dislike how bulkmarcimport doesn't run in a transaction, so if something breaks, half your data is there, and half isn't.
00:50 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded.
00:50 eythian @later tell ashimema that's exactly what happens, if you have a match and don't have the field, it fails. That's why I don't use match.
00:45 pianohacker Good night #koha
00:03 dcook Have a good one
00:03 ashimema see ya buddy.
00:03 ashimema ineed..
00:03 dcook A good sleep will probably help :)
00:03 * ashimema thinks the scotch didn't help either
00:03 ashimema really I just want those records skipped.. but my brain didn't want to let me work out how to hack the script at this late hour.
00:02 dcook Hmm, I doubt they should all need that though
00:02 ashimema think I worked out why the bulkmarcimport one failed at least.. not all my import records have a 035.. so the match query is not built..
00:02 ashimema I'll attack it again in the morning.. no good apssing out on the keyboard..
00:01 dcook Hope it worked out
00:01 dcook night ashimema
00:01 ashimema night #koha