IRC log for #koha, 2013-11-03

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00:06 tcohen I dislike it too
00:07 tcohen we could add sudo to the koha-list call
00:07 tcohen the result is that when pressing tab the first time the password is asked
00:07 jcamins Ummm...
00:08 tcohen i'm not sure how to solve this, I wrote it using a root user on a vm and didn't take care about the non-root user
00:10 jcamins Doesn't koha-list show all instances?
00:10 tcohen yes, but we have some switches (enabled, disbled, sip, nosip, email, noemail)
00:11 tcohen and those need to read stuff like (SIPconfig.xml existence)
00:13 jcamins Right, I'm suggesting you just acknowledge the limitations of tab completion, and provide tab completion that is somewhat useful.
00:14 tcohen that's a good advise
00:46 jcamins Ugh. I don't have any swap space on this server.
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03:30 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
03:48 mtompset For everyone where applicable, it's fall back an hour time this weekend. :)
03:49 mtompset Have a great weekend, #koha.
03:56 rambuten @wunder bkk
03:56 huginn rambuten: The current temperature in Bangkok (Don Mueang), Thailand is 33.0°C (10:30 AM ICT on November 03, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Falling).
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07:58 cait @wunder Konstanz
07:58 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 7.5°C (8:55 AM CET on November 03, 2013). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Rising).
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15:01 peggy Good morning/afternoon/evening
15:02 rambuten it's morning!
15:03 peggy I agree.
15:03 peggy I'm a newbie developer.  How can I debug a .tt file?  I use warn in the perl files, but .tt isn't perl (is it??)
15:05 jcamins You can use Perl in TT, but what are you trying to debug?
15:05 rambuten I wouldn't know, but there are some really smart people that will who will be online in a few hours!
15:06 peggy That will work.  I'll ask again in a little while.
15:06 jcamins The only time I have really needed to do significant debugging in TT was when I was writing a new plugin.
15:07 peggy Hi jcamins, I'm changing something in  [% IF ( CircAutoPrintQuickSlip == 'qslip' ) %]
15:07 peggy And it doesn't work, so I wanted to make sure that I was at least getting there, and (in a perfect world) find out what the valude of CircAutoPrintQuickSlip is
15:08 jcamins What I do for debugging that sort of problem is add a warn to the Perl script.
15:08 peggy I don't understand how the .pl files and .tt files are connected.
15:09 jcamins You can add [% CircAutoPrintQuickSlip %] to see what the value in the template is, but that won't tell you which template is getting loaded.
15:09 jcamins At the very end of every Perl script is an output_html_with_headers (or something like that), which tells Koha to render the template that was specified at the beginning of the file.
15:10 peggy output_html_with_http_headers $query, $cookie, $template->output;
15:10 peggy is in
15:11 peggy How is the template specified at the beginning of the file?
15:12 jcamins get_template_and_user.
15:13 peggy Ah, I see that
15:14 peggy my ( $template, $loggedinuser, $cookie ) = get_template_and_user (     {         template_name   => 'circ/circulation.tmpl',         query           => $query,         type            => "intranet",         authnotrequired => 0,         flagsrequired   => { circulate => 'circulate_remaining_permissions' },
15:15 peggy (Sorry, that was ugly...)  The query => $query means that the same parameters that are passed to the .pl program are passed to the .tt?
15:15 peggy So if the parameter is correct in .pl it will be correct in .tt?
15:16 jcamins Not exactly. $query is the CGI query so that the script can send a response to the correct client.
15:17 jcamins The parameters for the template are set in $template->{VARS}
15:18 peggy CircAutoPrintQuickSlip   => C4::Context->preference("CircAutoPrintQuickSlip"),
15:20 peggy The definition of which template will be used is at the beginning.  The setting of the parameters ($template->{VARS} is at the end of
15:20 peggy is the template "called" to display at some point in the .pl file?
15:21 peggy or is that the output_html_with_http_headers statement?
15:21 jcamins See $template->output in the output_html_with_http_headers line?
15:22 jcamins $template->output is actually a method call, which processes the template and returns the result.
15:23 peggy OK.  So I can test the value near where it is set in the $template->{VARS} and be confident that is what the .tt file is getting.
15:25 peggy What language does the .tt file use?  What operator is used for string compares?
15:30 jcamins It's Perl, but TT overloads the == operator to automatically do string comparison when appropriate.
15:31 peggy OK.  so != is the correct operator
15:33 peggy Thanks, jcamins.  This makes a lot more sense now.  I'm going to play with it a bit...
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18:44 rangi peggy: you still around?
18:44 rangi theres a couple of ways i debug templates
18:44 rangi one is the old html comment trick
18:45 rangi <!-- CircAutoPrintQuickSlip=[% CircAutoPrintQuickSlip %] -->
18:45 peggy I'm here
18:45 rangi then you can view source and find CircAutoPrintQuickSlip
18:45 rangi and it should have the value after the =
18:46 rangi that works well for scalar type variables
18:46 rangi however if you have something more complex
18:46 peggy Good to know.
18:46 rangi [% USE Dumper %]
18:46 rangi [% Dumper.dump_html(variable) %]
18:47 rangi its a TT interface to Data::Dumper
18:47 rangi so you get a nice representation of the object/hash/array etc
18:47 peggy so where do you see the dump?
18:47 rangi in the page
18:48 rangi often ill put the dump as the first line of the TT
18:49 peggy Let me try that...  Thanks for helping!
18:49 rangi no worries, thanks for writing code :)
18:52 rangi http://www.template-toolkit.or[…]/tools/index.html  <-- tpage is sometimes handy
18:54 rangi http://www.template-toolkit.or[…]Plugin/index.html  <-- also a useful reference
18:55 rangi http://www.template-toolkit.or[…]lugin/Assert.html  <-- if you want the template to throw errors on undefined variables, might be useful for your purpose
19:00 rangi @later tell petter can you drop me an email about december when you have the chance please?
19:00 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded.
19:08 peggy I think that I've messed up my source.  Can I refresh it with gitify?  If I have extra files in the directory will they still be there?
19:09 rangi you dont need to re gitify, if you do git status
19:10 rangi it will show you what changes you have
19:10 rangi git stash will stash away any changes you have made to files that git tracks
19:10 rangi and leave the untracked ones
19:11 rangi is that what you are after?
19:11 * rangi has to take the kids to school ill be back in a bit
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19:13 peggy I need clean copies of the files that I changed.
19:14 rangi git stash will do that
19:15 peggy fatal: Not a git repository (or any parent up to mount point /home) Stopping at filesystem boundary (GIT_DISCOVERY_ACROSS_FILESYSTEM not set).
19:15 peggy This is what it says when I try git status
19:16 peggy Do I need to point to the directory or something?
19:19 jcamins peggy: you need to be in the directory of your git repository.
19:19 jcamins Probably ~/kohaclone
19:20 peggy That does the trick
19:40 peggy Do I need to do something to make the files writeable?
19:42 jcamins What do you mean?
19:42 peggy I did a git status and a git stash, but when I try to change one of the files it tells me I don't have permission.
19:42 peggy Do I need to chmod the directory?
19:43 jcamins You shouldn't.
19:43 jcamins Is it possible you used sudo or su to change to a different user?
19:44 peggy If I change user in a command window, does that effect my gedit window?
19:44 peggy (Last worked in unix in 1995....)
19:47 peggy Ah,  I'm logged in as me, but did the git commands as root.
19:47 jcamins It does not. *But* if you used a user other than your desktop user when working with git, you'd end up with incorrect permissions.
19:47 jcamins Yeah, that's what I was thinking it might be.
19:47 peggy OK.  I'll rerun the git as me
19:47 jcamins You'll need to run `sudo chown ${youruser}:${youruser} -r kohaclone`
19:48 jcamins Capital -R, sorry.
19:48 peggy OK.
19:52 peggy All better.  Thanks!
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21:07 cait @wunder Konstanz
21:07 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 3.9°C (10:05 PM CET on November 03, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Falling).
21:08 cait thx huginn
21:08 cait huginn botsnack cookie
21:08 huginn cait: downloading the Perl source
21:08 cait wahanui botsnack huginn's cookie
21:09 cait wah
21:09 cait no wahanui?
21:11 cait eythian: can you bring wahanui back?
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21:12 eythian yep
21:13 eythian (turns out that if you accidentally leave scrollback active in screen, eventually the process will block.)
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21:22 cait thx eythian
21:22 cait hi ashimema
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21:40 cait it's awfully quiet in here tonight
21:41 eythian it often is on Mondays.
21:41 cait eythian: where are your coworkers hiding? :)
21:42 eythian cait: two are heading over to Australia, and the other is coming in late today.
21:42 cait oh what's in australia? another conf?
21:43 eythian yeah, something like that. I'm not sure of the details.
21:46 cait heh
21:58 dpk1 cait and eythian - bugs 6435 and 11078 are dependent (at request of people here, the locking change was broken out).  I want to know what's left to get 6435 into the codebase so 11078 can move forward.
21:59 cait bug 6435
21:59 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6435 major, P5 - low, ---, dpk, Needs Signoff , [ENH] Added daemon mode parameters to
21:59 cait hm eythian
21:59 cait ?
22:00 eythian oh! I didn't realise they were dependent, that'll be why my attempt to apply them failed.
22:01 eythian it's even marked as such, silly me
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22:10 eythian OK, read all of 6435, it seems quite reasonable to me.
22:10 eythian Looks like it just needs a signoff and QA.
22:11 eythian Note that eventually it would require modification to the packaging cron scripts to operate in daemon mode, but as it doesn't change anything, I'm totally OK with that coming later.
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22:54 dpk1 My plan for getting it into the scripts was after we had much more running experience.  There have been lots I have have talked to at KohaCon who were interested in running it, but I would not make that the default behavior until a larger group of people had several months of good running.
22:55 eythian that's sensible
22:55 dpk1 This will also give the experience to tune the default values.
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