| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 00:59 |
|
eythian |
is no one reading my _two_ emails about how disabling the default site is the bad approach? Seriously? |
| 01:00 |
|
rangi |
nope |
| 01:04 |
|
eythian |
wahanui: columbus day is <reply>http://theoatmeal.com/comics/columbus_day |
| 01:04 |
|
wahanui |
OK, eythian. |
| 01:11 |
|
dcook |
eythian: Can't say that I saw it |
| 01:11 |
|
dcook |
But I'm intrigued |
| 01:12 |
|
eythian |
dcook: saw what? |
| 01:12 |
|
dcook |
The two emails |
| 01:12 |
|
dcook |
I saw the first saying not to I think? |
| 01:12 |
|
eythian |
In the Koha OPAC site thread |
| 01:13 |
|
eythian |
The first explaining how to do it properly, the second explaining why the way someone else suggested was the way I'd already said was the wrong way to do it. |
| 01:14 |
|
mtompset |
I did. I just replied pointing that out again. |
| 01:14 |
|
eythian |
good :) |
| 01:15 |
|
dcook |
Hmm, I think both emails presume a certain level of knowledge though |
| 01:15 |
|
dcook |
That said, it's not your duty to explain the ins and outs of web server config either |
| 01:16 |
|
dcook |
Admittedly, I only understand your first email theoretically (since I have yet to work with DNS) |
| 01:16 |
|
mtompset |
This is the biggest problem with instructions. Limit scope to just Koha instructions, and hoping people understand the pieces being used. |
| 01:16 |
|
dcook |
It is a problem but I don't know if it is a problem with the instructions |
| 01:17 |
|
dcook |
As rangi has pointed out before, if you don't know how to run a server, you probably shouldn't be running Koha |
| 01:17 |
|
eythian |
Yeah, I don't have the time to dictate "TCP/IP Networking" to people :) |
| 01:17 |
|
eythian |
TCP/IP Illustrated, rather. |
| 01:17 |
|
eythian |
That's a good book, apparently. |
| 01:17 |
|
dcook |
Illustrated, eh? |
| 01:17 |
|
eythian |
yeah, it has big letters at the start of each chapter. |
| 01:18 |
|
dcook |
Sounds more interesting than the networking book I was reading |
| 01:18 |
|
eythian |
dcook: in this case it's pretty simple: the URL you're typing into the browser doesn't match the URL in the apache config (most likely.) |
| 01:18 |
|
dcook |
Right |
| 01:18 |
|
dcook |
I'm more curious about the details |
| 01:18 |
|
dcook |
At the moment, at home, I just use Servernames like "devstaff" and "devopac" |
| 01:18 |
|
dcook |
And run them both through port 80 |
| 01:19 |
|
dcook |
(Not that any of it is exposed to the internet as I'm not THAT confident yet) |
| 01:19 |
|
eythian |
I'd recommend grabbing a few O'Rielly books |
| 01:19 |
|
jcamins |
dcook: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19991018 |
| 01:19 |
|
dcook |
The networking one I had was an O'Reilly, but a bit dated |
| 01:20 |
|
eythian |
dated is OK if it's giving you the fundamentals, they haven't changed in some years. |
| 01:20 |
|
dcook |
jcamins: hehe |
| 01:20 |
|
dcook |
It was actually a pretty useful read at the time. I put it down in July as that was "wedding month" but I should probably pick it up again |
| 01:20 |
|
eythian |
http://www.amazon.com/Story-ab[…]oad/dp/0448421658 <-- start here, the comments will give you a bit of an idea about the material covered. |
| 01:21 |
|
dcook |
Hmm, this explained a bit of what I was imagining as well: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/t[…]sts/examples.html |
| 01:22 |
|
dcook |
I wasn't sure if a person spelled out the whole URL as the servername or not |
| 01:22 |
|
eythian |
yeah, that page fives you the basics. |
| 01:22 |
|
eythian |
You have to, unless you have the short forms in ServerAlias |
| 01:22 |
|
eythian |
that said, the browser may expand it for you in some cases I think. |
| 01:22 |
|
dcook |
Yeah, I think Chrome might expand it but I don't know if IE does |
| 01:23 |
|
* dcook |
might not have said what he thinks he said there |
| 01:23 |
|
eythian |
https://play.google.com/store/[…]=O%27Reilly+Media <-- these are handy, too. |
| 01:23 |
|
eythian |
When I need to know about something, I tend to grab one of them and read it. |
| 01:26 |
|
dcook |
Intriguing... |
| 01:26 |
|
dcook |
What device do you use for reading them? |
| 01:27 |
|
eythian |
tablet typically |
| 01:28 |
|
* dcook |
has been pondering buying a tablet |
| 01:28 |
|
dcook |
Not sure about my next set of devices |
| 01:28 |
|
dcook |
None of the smart phones are impressing me and just haven't gotten around to the tablet yet as I haven't found a good replacement phone |
| 01:28 |
|
dcook |
What OS do you use on your tablet? |
| 01:29 |
|
eythian |
Android. |
| 01:29 |
|
eythian |
There's not really any options on that front. |
| 01:29 |
|
dcook |
Is Cyanogen and...what is it...Randroid mostly just for phones? |
| 01:29 |
|
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NateC joined #koha |
| 01:30 |
|
eythian |
I don't know. I was still counting them as Android :) |
| 01:30 |
|
dcook |
Ah, fair enough |
| 01:31 |
|
mtompset |
Good Lord! He did it knowing that he was running drupal on the same server. |
| 01:31 |
|
dcook |
Kohacon will be a good chance for me to peep at other people's hardware.. |
| 01:32 |
|
eythian |
mtompset: hmm? |
| 01:32 |
|
mtompset |
The OPAC guy where people suggested disabling the default site. |
| 01:32 |
|
eythian |
I don't see any posts to the list. I'd quite like a told-you-so moment ;) |
| 01:33 |
|
eythian |
so, he disabled it and it all broke because he took the easy but bad way? |
| 01:34 |
|
pastebot |
"mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Seriously?! He knew there was drupal and ran it?!" (6 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/243 |
| 01:34 |
|
eythian |
oh dear |
| 01:34 |
|
eythian |
tell him to post to the list, I think. |
| 01:35 |
|
mtompset |
" if someone is trying to install Koha on a machine that servers other web pages, this is not a good idea." --- seriously, doesn't anyone read what I wrote? |
| 01:35 |
|
eythian |
or link him to the three emails that say that *exactly that will happen*. |
| 01:37 |
|
mtompset |
I went with the here's the opposite command, but I don't now if that will get you back to your previous state, and if not, I can't help you. |
| 01:38 |
|
mtompset |
^now^know^ |
| 01:39 |
|
eythian |
yeah. Oh well. |
| 01:40 |
|
dcook |
I must admit that I am a bit confused |
| 01:40 |
|
eythian |
dcook: there were three emails saying "don't do this", and he did that. |
| 01:41 |
|
dcook |
Well, I'm not confused about that part :p |
| 01:41 |
|
dcook |
Despite it being a bit mind-boggling |
| 01:41 |
|
rangi |
drupal was probably running as a subdirectory of the default site |
| 01:42 |
|
rangi |
he has since disabled that site |
| 01:42 |
|
rangi |
bam |
| 01:42 |
|
rangi |
can no longer see drupal |
| 01:43 |
|
dcook |
Mmm |
| 01:43 |
|
dcook |
Wouldn't that point to bad drupal config as well then? |
| 01:43 |
|
eythian |
no |
| 01:43 |
|
eythian |
drupal isn't even configured |
| 01:43 |
|
eythian |
it's just dropped into the default site. |
| 01:43 |
|
eythian |
it's a fairly normal way of doing simple things. |
| 01:44 |
|
dcook |
As the default DocumentRoot for the default site is /var/www |
| 01:44 |
|
rangi |
yep |
| 01:44 |
|
eythian |
yeah, so drop in in drupal/ under there. |
| 01:44 |
|
dcook |
Hmm, makes sense |
| 01:46 |
|
dcook |
How would you access Drupal then? |
| 01:46 |
|
eythian |
were I doing it, I'd probably give it its own virtual host. |
| 01:47 |
|
eythian |
This depends on requirements though. |
| 01:47 |
|
eythian |
oh, you mean in that situation? |
| 01:47 |
|
dcook |
Yeah, in that situation |
| 01:47 |
|
eythian |
You just point the browser to webserver/drupal |
| 01:47 |
|
dcook |
Ahh, so most people using Drupal probably have their on vhost set up? |
| 01:47 |
|
eythian |
No, I expect most are using the default site. |
| 01:48 |
|
eythian |
As that way is very easy. |
| 01:48 |
|
dcook |
Seems like it |
| 01:48 |
|
dcook |
I suppose that's where DNS could come in as well? |
| 01:48 |
|
dcook |
So you have www.mydrupalinstance.com pointing at webserver/drupal |
| 01:49 |
|
eythian |
Yeah. |
| 01:49 |
|
dcook |
Actually, that's why I was surprised that one would put in a full URL as a servername in a vhost |
| 01:49 |
|
eythian |
And it'll just work. But as soon as you want more than one virtual host, you need to do it right. |
| 01:49 |
|
eythian |
Why wouldn't you put a full hostname in? |
| 01:49 |
|
eythian |
that's how it's addressed, that's its name. |
| 01:55 |
|
eythian |
oh wait, you don't put a proper URL in ServerName, just the full hostname. |
| 01:56 |
|
eythian |
Except in some circumstances that I've never had to use. |
| 01:59 |
|
dcook |
Hmm, I suppose I'm not sure I follow |
| 01:59 |
|
eythian |
URL is a superset of hostname. |
| 01:59 |
|
dcook |
But I haven't set up anything to do with DNS (yet) |
| 01:59 |
|
dcook |
Ok |
| 02:00 |
|
mtompset |
He sent me another email saying he's only doing this on a VM, so it wasn't anything production-wise. *whew* |
| 02:00 |
|
dcook |
Mmm, I think I might follow |
| 02:00 |
|
eythian |
well he should still be reading all the emails that he gets on the topic. |
| 02:01 |
|
dcook |
So you might just have "kohaopac" and "kohastaff" as your hostnames/servernames then you associate that with a larger domain name? |
| 02:01 |
|
mtompset |
Hopefully he does. |
| 02:02 |
|
mtompset |
The domain stuff is really part of the apache configuration files, so what you want to call them doesn't really matter. |
| 02:03 |
|
mtompset |
just need corresponding DNS entries or modified hosts files, the former being the proper and desired method. |
| 02:03 |
|
rangi |
dcook: not really, you its should by full domain name, but url is https:// or http:// domainname /perhaps/other/stuff |
| 02:03 |
|
rangi |
ie url is much more than domainname |
| 02:03 |
|
eythian |
dcook: well, not necessarily. One vhost can have many names. If you point library.example.com to the IP address of your server, you need library.example.com in the ServerName or ServerAlias directives in your vhost. |
| 02:03 |
|
eythian |
Oh, I misunderstood again. |
| 02:04 |
|
eythian |
hostname.domainname.tld is the typical form. |
| 02:04 |
|
eythian |
and http://hostname.domainname.tld/path is an example of a URL |
| 02:04 |
|
dcook |
My mistake there, eythian |
| 02:04 |
|
dcook |
I meant domain name rather than URL |
| 02:05 |
|
eythian |
right, don't mix them up :) |
| 02:05 |
|
dcook |
I should've known better :p |
| 02:05 |
|
* dcook |
wrote a URL parser once then switched to an open source parser that was far superior |
| 02:05 |
|
dcook |
The whole terminology thing came out at that point |
| 02:05 |
|
dcook |
Hmm |
| 02:05 |
|
eythian |
ah right |
| 02:06 |
|
dcook |
So your servername is a fully qualified domain name hostname.domainname.told in your apache vhost |
| 02:06 |
|
eythian |
yeah, it's important to be pedantic and get them right, or you can't communicate about them to anyway else. |
| 02:06 |
|
eythian |
yeah, it can be. |
| 02:06 |
|
eythian |
And that's how I do it. |
| 02:06 |
|
dcook |
Which is identical to what you register when you're setting up DNS? |
| 02:06 |
|
eythian |
mixed terminology again :) |
| 02:07 |
|
eythian |
You don't register anything when you set up DNS. |
| 02:07 |
|
eythian |
except the initial domain name. |
| 02:07 |
|
dcook |
Right, you register the domain name |
| 02:07 |
|
dcook |
Do you point the domain at your IP address? |
| 02:07 |
|
eythian |
so the domainname is example.com, but your library is library.example.com, so they're not identical |
| 02:07 |
|
dcook |
Or do you need to qualify each sub-domain/hostname |
| 02:07 |
|
rangi |
you can do wildcard dns |
| 02:07 |
|
eythian |
not in this case |
| 02:07 |
|
rangi |
point *.domainname at one ip |
| 02:08 |
|
eythian |
I think that *.example.com != example.com |
| 02:08 |
|
rangi |
but 99.9% |
| 02:08 |
|
rangi |
you point the actual subdomain |
| 02:08 |
|
rangi |
to the ip you want |
| 02:08 |
|
dcook |
So someone registered koha-community.org |
| 02:08 |
|
rangi |
yep |
| 02:08 |
|
dcook |
But somewhere there are records pointing git.koha-community.org to one IP |
| 02:08 |
|
eythian |
but yeah, www has the IP of the webserver, library the IP of the koha server, FTP the IP of the FTP server. |
| 02:09 |
|
dcook |
and other koha-community sites to other IP addresses? |
| 02:09 |
|
eythian |
yeah |
| 02:09 |
|
rangi |
exactly |
| 02:09 |
|
rangi |
and you can tell we dont do wildcard dns |
| 02:09 |
|
rangi |
cos |
| 02:09 |
|
rangi |
http://fishface.koha-community.org/ |
| 02:09 |
|
rangi |
doesnt work :) |
| 02:09 |
|
dcook |
hehe |
| 02:10 |
|
rangi |
www.koha-community.org and koha-community.org point to the same |
| 02:10 |
|
rangi |
bugs. paste. downloads. point to the same (other one) |
| 02:10 |
|
dcook |
And those are separate servernames or DNS entries? |
| 02:10 |
|
rangi |
both |
| 02:10 |
|
rangi |
for some |
| 02:11 |
|
rangi |
but they are all virtualhosts in apache |
| 02:11 |
|
dcook |
So where do we configure DNS in this case? |
| 02:11 |
|
rangi |
do a whois |
| 02:11 |
|
rangi |
on koha-community.org |
| 02:11 |
|
rangi |
Name Server:NS1.IWANTMYNAME.NET |
| 02:11 |
|
rangi |
thats where we configure dns for that domain |
| 02:12 |
|
eythian |
if you're really keen: dig +trace koha-community.org |
| 02:13 |
|
dcook |
Whoaa |
| 02:14 |
|
dcook |
So there's a record (A record?) on iwantmyname.net that associates koha-community.org and the actual IP address |
| 02:14 |
|
eythian |
the long strings are DNSSEC I think, which I'm not going to explain because I mostly don't understand it either. |
| 02:14 |
|
dcook |
On the web server (which has that actual IP address), we then have a servername with koha-community.org |
| 02:14 |
|
rangi |
virtualhost |
| 02:14 |
|
wahanui |
virtualhost is http://httpd.apache.org/docs/trunk/vhosts/ |
| 02:14 |
|
eythian |
yep, and another one with www.koha-community.org (or there might be a serveralias |
| 02:14 |
|
eythian |
) |
| 02:15 |
|
rangi |
in that virtualhost it has a servername of that |
| 02:15 |
|
dcook |
In git.koha-community.org...its servername would be git.koha-community.org? |
| 02:15 |
|
eythian |
yeah, there's a redirect there, so there's most likely two virtualhosts, one redirecting to the other. |
| 02:15 |
|
rangi |
in the apache config yep |
| 02:16 |
|
dcook |
I think I actually understand now |
| 02:16 |
|
dcook |
eythian++ |
| 02:16 |
|
dcook |
rangi++ |
| 02:16 |
|
dcook |
You two are the best :) |
| 02:16 |
|
rangi |
in gits case |
| 02:16 |
|
rangi |
thats the actual hostname of the server too |
| 02:16 |
|
rangi |
chrisc git:~$ hostname -f |
| 02:16 |
|
rangi |
git.koha-community.org |
| 02:16 |
|
wahanui |
hmmm... git.koha-community.org is where the source code for Koha is kept. |
| 02:17 |
|
rangi |
but thats just a happy coincidence |
| 02:17 |
|
rangi |
theres no need for it to be |
| 02:17 |
|
eythian |
$ hostname -f |
| 02:17 |
|
eythian |
li105-217.members.linode.com |
| 02:17 |
|
eythian |
not the case for bugs.k-c.org |
| 02:17 |
|
rangi |
yep thats bugs |
| 02:17 |
|
rangi |
yeah |
| 02:17 |
|
rangi |
however the ip reverse dnses to bugs |
| 02:18 |
|
rangi |
host 72.14.190.217 |
| 02:18 |
|
rangi |
217.190.14.72.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer bugs.koha-community.org. |
| 02:18 |
|
rangi |
thats so it can send mail without looking like spam |
| 02:20 |
|
dcook |
So what is 217.190.14.72.in-addr.arpa? |
| 02:20 |
|
eythian |
it's historical |
| 02:20 |
|
eythian |
but it's the way you look up what hostname an IP address turns into |
| 02:21 |
|
eythian |
you don't actually have to worry about it yourself, other things do it for you. |
| 02:21 |
|
dcook |
Mmm |
| 02:21 |
|
eythian |
it's from the days of ARPAnet. |
| 02:21 |
|
dcook |
rangi: Do you mean it doesn't look like spam because the ip reverses to something? |
| 02:21 |
|
dcook |
I was wondering a bit about the .arpa part |
| 02:21 |
|
eythian |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-addr.arpa <-- dcook |
| 02:21 |
|
dcook |
I didn't know there were any vestiges left |
| 02:21 |
|
rangi |
it reverse dnses to the domain its sending mail from |
| 02:22 |
|
eythian |
oh hey |
| 02:22 |
|
rangi |
thats the important thing |
| 02:22 |
|
eythian |
it's not from arpa net |
| 02:22 |
|
eythian |
Address and Routing Parameter Area |
| 02:22 |
|
dcook |
rangi: Ahh, right |
| 02:22 |
|
eythian |
there goes my decades-old idea |
| 02:22 |
|
rangi |
heh |
| 02:22 |
|
dcook |
I'm glad that I triggered the learning of something new ;) |
| 02:23 |
|
eythian |
oh wait |
| 02:23 |
|
eythian |
I was right then, not now: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.arpa |
| 02:23 |
|
dcook |
It looks like just a rename |
| 02:23 |
|
eythian |
It is exactly a rename |
| 02:24 |
|
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| 02:26 |
|
dcook |
Backronym |
| 02:26 |
|
dcook |
I don't know if I'd heard of that before |
| 02:28 |
|
eythian |
dcook: there's tons of them around. |
| 02:28 |
|
dcook |
Oh yeah, I've seen them around |
| 02:28 |
|
dcook |
Just hadn't noticed the term |
| 02:32 |
|
eythian |
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories[…]ds-formalised.htm <-- finally |
| 02:36 |
|
dcook |
Official recognition of more than one name = winning |
| 02:37 |
|
eythian |
that's reasonably normal these days. |
| 02:38 |
|
eythian |
Of course, keeping them straight in your head is sometimes a mission. Especially when in some case the English name is more common (Mt Cook) and sometimes the MÄori is (Mt Taranaki) |
| 02:39 |
|
eythian |
then you start thinking "what's Aoraki again? Is that Taranaki? No that doesn't even make sense..." |
| 02:39 |
|
dcook |
hehe |
| 02:39 |
|
rangi |
didnt used to be that way tho, its just Taranaki was 'named' well before Aoraki |
| 02:39 |
|
rangi |
it used to be Egmont all the time |
| 02:39 |
|
dcook |
I do find it easy that Canada uses most of the same names |
| 02:40 |
|
rangi |
(well on the tv and papers and stuff) |
| 02:40 |
|
dcook |
Maybe an accent/pronunciation a bit different here and there |
| 02:40 |
|
dcook |
Mind you, that's English/French. Not indigenous languages... |
| 02:40 |
|
eythian |
yeah, but in current general use these days, Mt Taranaki is more common. Egmont feels "old fashioned" to me. |
| 02:40 |
|
rangi |
yep |
| 02:40 |
|
eythian |
I guess cos it only comes up in old news articles etc. |
| 02:41 |
|
rangi |
confusing Aoraki and Aorangi is fine |
| 02:41 |
|
rangi |
cos they are the same thing |
| 02:41 |
|
rangi |
one is just south island spelling |
| 02:43 |
|
eythian |
which is which? I assume Aoraki is the south island, given the poly in timaru. |
| 02:43 |
|
rangi |
yep |
| 02:43 |
|
rangi |
ng is k in south island |
| 02:43 |
|
eythian |
ah right |
| 02:43 |
|
rangi |
in tuhoe, ng is n |
| 02:44 |
|
rangi |
but i think still written the same, just pronounced differently |
| 02:44 |
|
rangi |
for k, some people write it with a line under it |
| 02:44 |
|
eythian |
I don't think I've seen that. |
| 02:44 |
|
rangi |
so you can differentiate it with an actual k |
| 02:44 |
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* dcook |
is fascinated but needs to grab some food |
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eythian |
I can't even type it, all I get is ĸ |
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rangi |
eg whakarongo (to listen) = whakaroko |
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rangi |
which != whangarongo |
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rangi |
confusinating |
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eythian |
yes, I could see that :) |
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eythian |
http://www.washingtonpost.com/[…]ne-in-parliament/ <-- how Australia solves silly political things. |
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rangi |
:) |
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rangi |
im pretty sure here if the govt cant pass supply and demand it gets disbanded |
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eythian |
I'd hope so |
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rangi |
ah yeah gov general can do the same thing here |
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rangi |
seems to me to be the only reason to keep them |
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eythian |
I think they also officially have veto power on everything, but virtually never use it. |
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rangi |
yeah |
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rangi |
they can refuse to sign things into law |
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rangi |
im not suer they ever have |
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rangi |
probably would be instant republic if they did |
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eythian |
I imagine it's deliberately in reserve just to bring out if the government goes super-crazy. |
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* eythian |
notes that master has styling issues when adding an itemtype. |
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mtompset |
Canada has a Governor General, but they are typically the prime minister's puppet. It would be cool if something like that happened here. :) |
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eythian |
Our governor general is used for entertaining visiting dignataries, as far as I can tell. |
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eythian |
Their house is not far from where I live. |
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cjh |
eythian: and signing documents. |
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eythian |
ah yes, that's important too. |
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cjh |
rangi: I have always wondered what the fall out would be for using their veto power, my money is also on republic. |
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eythian |
for each in {0..255}; do dig -x 202.78.246.${each} +short ; done |
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eythian |
what our admins do when they should be working :) |
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rangi |
id forgotten how cool firefox sync is |
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eythian |
Yeah, I use it all the time, but totally forget about it because it's very backgrount. |
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eythian |
You know on android you can share with firefox, and specify what computer you want the article to show up on? |
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eythian |
That's so damn handy. |
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rangi |
oh yeah |
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eythian |
it's great, I do it all the time. I just wish I could do that on my desktop computers to push a page to work/home or to my phone. |
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rangi |
yeah |
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rangi |
that would rule |
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mtompset |
Have a great day, #koha, rangi, eythian, dcook, etc. :) |
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* magnuse |
waves |
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* cait |
waves back |
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* magnuse |
has grown quite fond of http://getpocket.com/ for reading things on different devices, including offline |
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cait |
:) |
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reiveune |
hello |
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magnuse |
bonjour! |
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magnuse |
@wunder boo |
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huginn |
magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 7.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on October 10, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). |
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magnuse |
hm, my thermometer says 5 |
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magnuse |
@wunder marseille |
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huginn |
magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 14.0°C (8:30 AM CEST on October 10, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). |
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magnuse |
nice |
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gaetan_B |
good morning #koha |
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kf |
good morning #koha |
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marcelr |
hi #koha |
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marcelr |
hi kf |
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kf |
hi marcelr |
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marcelr |
:) |
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kf |
marcelr: do you think you might have time to look at bug 8015? |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8015 new feature, P4, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , Add MARC Modifications Templates |
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kf |
I am running out of time here right now :( |
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marcelr |
if i just had more time, ... |
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kf |
yeah - the one big problem mankind has to solve :) |
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marcelr |
quite impressive number of patches.. |
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kf |
yes |
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kf |
i think squashing same authors maybe would be good |
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kf |
Salaam Oak |
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Oak |
oh Walaikum Asalam kf :) |
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kf |
:) |
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kf |
ew |
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kf |
the start page in IE looks weird |
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samueld |
hi everybody |
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kivilahtio |
Is there any documentation available for the HoldsQueue.pm algorithms that target the holds? |
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kivilahtio |
this is used by the build_holds_queue.pl |
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kivilahtio |
I mean they are rather complicate and it would be really helpfull to understand the way holds are queued. |
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rangi |
look at the tests in t/db_dependent/HoldsQueue.t |
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kivilahtio |
rangi: thanks yous! |
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rangi |
marcelr++ |
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rangi |
those half fixes on 6554 just make things worse |
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marcelr |
hi rangi |
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marcelr |
encoding is a nightmare |
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rangi |
i hope to sit done with tcohen and a few others and track down the route and fix that |
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rangi |
instead of trying to keep bandaiding the symptoms |
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rangi |
we should never need to muck around with things like decode and encode |
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rangi |
because we should only ever be passing utf8 |
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kivilahtio |
rangi++ |
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marcelr |
concentrating them will be quite an effort though |
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rangi |
yep |
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marcelr |
but having them on one place would be ideal |
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rangi |
yep |
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kivilahtio |
rangi: Not sure about your exact problem but I think we are feeling those issue in our localization work |
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rangi |
actually my kohas running with diacritics and macrons work pretty well, far better than once you try to 'fix' them |
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rangi |
i couldnt recreate the issue on 6554 that the patch was supposed to fix, which was a hint |
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rangi |
all the patch did was break lots of other things |
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magnuse |
whoever does a permanent fix for that will be A Great Hero! |
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rangi |
magnuse: id like to be able to recreate it first :) ie i cant recreate the problem its supossed to solve |
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rangi |
i cut and paste the string that supposedly causes the problem, and it works fine |
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magnuse |
i was thinking about the underlying problem |
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rangi |
i think the underlying problem is some peoples databases arent utf8 |
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magnuse |
ooh, that would make a difference, yeah |
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rangi |
thats my suspiciion anyway |
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rangi |
but yeah tracking it down will be interesting |
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rangi |
worth trying to do anyway |
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kivilahtio |
oddly the database autogenerated by the koha isntallation process from debian packages sets the database to latin1 by default, but all the tables seem to be in utf8 |
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kf |
rangi: i can recreate one of the problems - broken diacritics in patron category descriptions in patron search |
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kf |
rangi: it appears pretty consistently on all our 3.12.x installations |
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rangi |
weird it works fine on mine |
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kf |
kivilahtio: it should't be a problem in localization ereally - it's known to work for german and norwegian and arabic ... |
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kf |
kivilahtio: more likely a file where poedit messed up encoding, it used to do that with the pref files |
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kivilahtio |
kf: well we get mangled diacritics in our Koha pages |
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rangi |
kf: and it only shows broken in the search results? |
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kf |
kivilahtio: yes, but you shouldn't - as I said, it if it works with arabic, more likely the po files are wrong |
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rangi |
but fine at /cgi-bin/koha/admin/categorie.pl ? |
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kf |
rangi: yep - go to patrons, click the +- look at the pull down for categories |
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kf |
fine everywhere else |
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kf |
and it started with 3.12 I think |
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kf |
it's the only place where i can find encoding problems currently |
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kf |
there are some more, but that will be fixed when galen pushes the branchcode plugin patch I think |
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rangi |
right |
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kf |
well sometime between 3.6 and 3.12... |
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rangi |
in that case, that member.pl |
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rangi |
is probably doing the double encode |
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kf |
possibly - i filed a bug and it got a comment that it woudl be fixed by the other change. But I am all for solving it in one place once and for all |
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rangi |
well no thats the problem |
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rangi |
if you try and fix a local problem in one script |
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rangi |
in one place |
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kf |
misunderstanding :) |
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rangi |
you just end up busting everywhere its right |
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kf |
i mean i am for you and tcohen to sit down and figure out the way to do it right :) |
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rangi |
thats precisely what that patch on 6554 is doing wrong |
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kf |
and not for pushing 6554 :) |
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kf |
we agree :) |
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kf |
I think? |
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rangi |
yep |
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kf |
team meeting bbl |
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magnuse |
i can confirm kf's observation about the pulldown in patron search |
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magnuse |
it used to be mangled in the dropdown for creating a new patron too, but that is now fixed |
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rangi |
weirdly the pulldown is fine for me |
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rangi |
in master |
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rangi |
but i can get double encoded characters in the patrons name |
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rangi |
but only on the search results |
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rangi |
hmm interesting |
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wahanui |
interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
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kivilahtio |
I just realized that the TransportCostMatrix is pretty flexible, I could use it instead of the UseBranchTransferLimits-module. Iwonder why there are two similar things |
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kivilahtio |
TransportCostMatrix doesn't care about itemtype or collection code limitations |
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kivilahtio |
what a mess :D |
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kivilahtio |
luckily you need to configure only once |
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kivilahtio |
well I guess it is not that bad. Adding collection code and itemtype checking on top of the TransportCostMatrix might be REALLY hard to code/maintain/use |
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rangi |
ta |
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magnuse |
when you click on the [+] in the patron search, and get the "advanced search", the library dropdown displays "norwegian vowels" ok, but the "category" dropdown mangles them |
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rangi |
interesting |
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wahanui |
somebody said interesting was sometimes good and sometimes bad |
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kivilahtio |
wahanui++ |
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rangi |
magnuse: do you have a couple of seconds to try something for me? |
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rangi |
in C4/Templates.pm |
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rangi |
what happens if you comment out lines 120 to 128 |
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rangi |
i dont trust these lines |
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rangi |
utf8::encode($element) if utf8::is_utf8($element); |
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rangi |
and |
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rangi |
utf8::encode($vars->{$k}) if utf8::is_utf8($vars->{$k}); |
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rangi |
actually in C4/Templates.pm |
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rangi |
can you change all utf8::encode to be utf8::upgrade |
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rangi |
i *think* it might fix this perhaps |
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magnuse |
uno momento |
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rangi |
it might not, but im pretty sure that this is where we should be looking |
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magnuse |
ok, utf8::encode changed to ::upgrade |
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magnuse |
on the head.bibkat.no install |
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magnuse |
rangi: now both the library and category dropdowns are broken... |
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kf |
consistency! |
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wahanui |
consistency is the hobgoblin of programmers' minds. |
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magnuse |
as well as the news items on the staff mainpage |
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rangi |
excellent |
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rangi |
cool |
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* magnuse |
starts to doubt rangi's sanity ;-) |
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rangi |
nope we want them all broken |
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rangi |
or all fixed |
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rangi |
not half working |
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magnuse |
:-) |
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rangi |
thanks, you can put it back, gives me a good place to look at the hackfest |
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kf |
:) |
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magnuse |
cool |
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rangi |
but now, sleep |
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kf |
good night rangi :) |
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magnuse |
sleep tight rangi |
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magnuse |
ooh, sleep... |
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wahanui |
i guess sleep is for the week |
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magnuse |
yeah, sleep all week, partu all weekend |
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magnuse |
s/partu/party/ |
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drojf |
hi #koha |
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kf |
hi drojf :) |
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drojf |
hi kf :) |
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kf |
that was a short visit |
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kivilahtio |
Anyone have any good programming songs? |
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kivilahtio |
Well here's my for today http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOCag5EgbT4 |
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Oak |
kivilahtio, we don't have a programming song, most of us here do the buddhist chanting |
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Oak |
not |
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kf |
wb drojf |
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drojf |
thanks :) |
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kivilahtio |
Oak: that's hardcore |
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kf |
bug workflow? |
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wahanui |
well, bug workflow is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]nt-patch_Workflow |
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blou |
holà #koha |
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blou |
Question about bugzilla: how can we strongly suggest a bug for deletion? I found a duplicate through unrelated search, but no way to (suggest) delete. I figured there would be a "duplicate" status available, but haven't found it |
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jcamins |
blou: there's a link "Mark as duplicate" underneath the comment box. |
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blou |
jcamins: AH! Just below the status drop down i had search for "duplicate" in. Well... that's me |
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blou |
thanks |
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Hi #koha |
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For all the closed Firefox bugs dealing with printing issues, you'd think Firefox could correctly print a table |
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jcamins |
Just when I thought I had seen it all, I was just sent a sample of authority records exported as MARC21 bibliographic. |
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jcamins |
Wait, no, my mistake. |
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jcamins |
They're ordinary UNIMARC records with the label "exported as MARC21" at the top. |
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jcamins |
Okay, not quite ordinary. |
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kf |
jcamins: you are confusing us |
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jcamins |
kf: I'm confused too. The records have UNIMARC 245 fields and MARC21 072 fields. |
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jcamins |
And a ton of 906 fields. |
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oleonard |
jcamins: Logical conclusion? They're RDA records, from a library with a lot of "local discretion" |
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jcamins |
oleonard: heh. |
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kivilahtio |
IF I use the C4 libraries, like C4::Members::AddMember() in testcases and have set the $dbh->{AutoCommit} = 0; I still get stuff written into my db permanently. |
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kivilahtio |
I set the $dbh->{AutoCommit} in start of my unit test script. C4 libraries pull a new $dbh, but shouldn't it be the same instance? |
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kf |
kivilahtio: did you take a look at the other test cases? |
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kf |
i think it's 2 lines |
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kf |
not only autocommit |
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kivilahtio |
kf: yes, they seem to be not using C4 libraries |
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kf |
they do |
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jcamins |
kivilahtio: t/db_dependent/Booksellers.t does. |
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kf |
i have used addmember in my tests :) |
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kivilahtio |
my $dbh = C4::Context->dbh; |
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kivilahtio |
$dbh->{AutoCommit} = 0; |
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kivilahtio |
$dbh->{RaiseError} = 1; |
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kivilahtio |
this is what everybody seems to be using |
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kf |
yeah it worked for me, adding users, items etc, no leftovers |
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kivilahtio |
kf: ok, maybe i have some existing data which collides |
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kf |
not sure, I added some things to Reserve.t i think |
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kf |
kivilahtio: and the data is really in oyur database<? |
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kf |
or is it just the pk getting increased? because that happens |
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kivilahtio |
well rerunning the script gets me barcode conflicts I didn't have on the first run |
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kivilahtio |
yup, the Borrower is in my db |
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kivilahtio |
kf: Maybe it is because my script crashed a few times while the Transaction was open |
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kivilahtio |
no idea |
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Joubu |
kivilahtio: no. Normally if the autocommit if off, there is no commit without an explicit call to $dbh->commit |
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jcamins |
But note that if you have any BEGIN { } blocks it can behave very strangely. |
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kivilahtio |
jcamins: there are begin blocks |
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kivilahtio |
"The effect of closing a database handle while a transaction is pending is undefined in DBI, so be sure to commit transactions yourself before disconnecting from the database server." |
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kivilahtio |
I'll try without begins |
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jcamins |
I think the trick is to put the AutoCommit bit inside the BEGIN block. |
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kivilahtio |
jcamins: Why do these test even have a begin block? To make sure their dependant library is loaded? |
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kivilahtio |
jcamins: some tests load some libraries inside the BEGIN, and some libraries outside it |
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data-doctor |
I am mapping notifications, and there appears to be some excess complexity. Could we combine the letter, message_attributes, message_transports and message_transport_types tables into one table? |
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data-doctor |
I guess that's a big question. I am trying to think it through... |
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data-doctor |
The fields would be something like this: message_attribute_id, message_transport_type, message_name, is_digest, is_html, title, content, letter_module, letter_code, branchcode |
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data-doctor |
That would interact with the borrower_message_preferences to determine the transport method and send the notification. |
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Joubu |
kivilahtio: What tests are you speaking about? Existing ones or those you are writing? |
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blou |
jcamins,oleonard: Hello! Need to bring back old discussion (i wished I had an history). I _think_ I had a discussion with you last month regarding shortcuts (keyboard) |
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oleonard |
Yes |
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oleonard |
logs? |
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wahanui |
logs is probably http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/ |
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blou |
Ho, nice! |
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blou |
wahahui is a good friend |
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kivilahtio |
Joubu: the ones I am writing based on your HoldsQueue.t |
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blou |
I'll go read and come back with my questions |
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oleonard |
In which Library Journal makes the case that open source doesn't work for libraries because the open source community doesn't let them: http://lj.libraryjournal.com/2[…]ing-partnerships/ |
| 15:23 |
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oleonard |
...and Liblime continues to spread lies about their history with Koha |
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kf |
:( |
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oleonard |
You know what, Patrick Jones, you could just say "We thought we could do Koha better than the community" and leave it at that |
| 15:25 |
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oleonard |
But instead you have to put blame somewhere |
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kivilahtio |
oleonard++ |
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oleonard |
The fact that Liblime feels the need to continue to spread lies about the Koha open source community says a lot about what they feel their position is |
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oleonard |
Liblime thinks that in order for them to succeed, the open source community has to fail. |
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oleonard |
'“All of the code we’ve built, we’ve continued to submit…. It’s all out there,†he says.' |
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kivilahtio |
I won't fail :) |
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oleonard |
That is an outright lie |
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data-doctor |
My problem is with the message_attributes table. It can only be updated manually, so it causes the notifcation system to hiccup on new transport methods. |
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jcamins |
You know what I don't understand? How can the United States Postal Service's website be so bad? |
| 15:26 |
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kivilahtio |
oleonard: wow, can we make a counter articel? |
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oleonard |
Where's the code for "Liblime Academic Koha," Liblime? |
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data-doctor |
An effect of the shutdown? A lot of govt. websites are down... |
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jcamins |
data-doctor: no, their website has always been really confusing. |
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kf |
patch workflow? |
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wahanui |
patch workflow is at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]nt-patch_Workflow |
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oleonard |
The lies from Liblime in that article make me wonder about the accuracy of the story of KCLS's split with Evergreen. |
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jcamins |
Every time I want to ship more than one package -- and I do it once a month -- I get lost trying to set up the second label. |
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kf |
hm |
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kf |
is there aw ay to lik to the developers handbook? |
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kf |
in the wiki? |
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blou |
oleonard: Ok, so you said we couldn't move to latest jquery because hotkey plugin broke jquery. |
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jcamins |
Every time! If I get confused once a month, every month, for many months, it's the website's fault, not mine. |
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blou |
jcamins suggested I try shortcut.js. |
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* jcamins |
likes shortcut.js, FTR. |
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blou |
Which i did. Worked like a charm. |
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blou |
Now I wanted to make the change into the community, but I saw that jstree has some form a dependency to it |
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jcamins |
I'm pretty sure we don't use hotkeys with jstree. |
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blou |
but jstree looks for it |
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blou |
if not found, it doesn't activate its shortcut. |
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data-doctor |
I'm pretty sure that the story of the success of Koha is the story of the success of a committed community. Y'all rock! |
| 15:31 |
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blou |
which are meaningless |
| 15:32 |
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blou |
Interesting article for newbies like me. |
| 15:33 |
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blou |
jcamins: so you think it's ok if jstree (used only in Authorities) doesn't have access to shortcut? |
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data-doctor |
We would rather update our customizations than fork any day. |
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oleonard |
Wait... jstree looks for hotkeys? |
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jcamins |
blou: I think so. |
| 15:33 |
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blou |
oleonard: yes. |
| 15:34 |
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blou |
in the comments and in the code |
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oleonard |
Where? |
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blou |
let me give you precise direction, one sec |
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kivilahtio |
data-doctor: Sometimes needs are different and not compatible with the community |
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kivilahtio |
data-doctor: I am rather curious where goes the limit for that |
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kivilahtio |
data-doctor: At what point our needs become crazy enough for the community :) |
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blou |
* jsTree hotkeys plugin |
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blou |
* Enables keyboard navigation for all tree instances |
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blou |
* Depends on the jstree ui & jquery hotkeys plugins |
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blou |
*/ |
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blou |
in the plugin itself, lines 1490 and on |
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blou |
if(!this.data.ui) { throw "jsTree hotkeys: jsTree UI plugin not included."; } |
| 15:38 |
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blou |
So, it doesn't break if hotkeys not included, but it is sad |
| 15:38 |
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data-doctor |
Like our crazy need to send SMS messages. |
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oleonard |
Interesting, blou, I didn't realize that |
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data-doctor |
But we can't modify message_attributes from the current interface... |
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* oleonard |
is mostly ignorant of authorities-related functionality |
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data-doctor |
blou, we use key:config plug-in for Firefox, great keyboard shortcuts! |
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oleonard |
data-doctor: We're talking about JavaScript-based keyboard shortcuts which can be built into Koha |
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data-doctor |
Sounds even better - browser independent. |
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data-doctor |
We tie the keyboard shortcuts to the toplevel menu choices. |
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blou |
data-doctor: yeah, and as basic as possible, we got many IE8 users here (sob!) |
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* blou |
crying |
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data-doctor |
I am reading the jquery hotkeys documentation - looks interesting. Does it break in IE8? |
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jcamins |
blou: I don't think I used hotkeys when I did the jstree stuff. |
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oleonard |
data-doctor: It's incompatible with the latest version of jquery |
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data-doctor |
Thanks. |
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data-doctor |
I have stopped reading... |
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data-doctor |
:) |
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blou |
jcamins: which is good news. I presume it's to allow to press Down to open the tree. |
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data-doctor |
Oops, I don't really need to edit the message_attributes to add sms,..it's more that my sms is tripping up in the sms::send because I have entries containing a forward slash, separating the sms number's area code. |
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data-doctor |
That hangs the processing and blocks up the notifications system. |
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data-doctor |
OK, I am going to relent on mashing up the tables...Maybe the preferred method would be to simplify the interface for editing the notifications settings? For example, in the message_attributes I cannot modify whether a notification process takes_days, other than manually editing the table. |
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blou |
oleonard, jcamins: I will submit my change. It will sadden jstree, but break nothing. Discussions can follow to determine if good or not. |
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gaetan_B |
bye ! |
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blou |
Upgrade jQuery > Authority detail? |
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blou |
bug 11035? |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11035 blocker, P5 - low, ---, philippe.blouin, NEW , Replace shortcut plugin jquery.hotkeys.min.js |
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oleonard |
blou: The bug is not a blocker, it should be normal |
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jcamins |
blou: I think the upgrade's more important, yes. Very few people have hierarchies, I think. |
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data-doctor |
When a new notice is created, I get to choose the code and module. Their relationship is a little weird, because you can write in any code. Only codes that are already present in the message_transports will have any chance of being sent. |
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data-doctor |
the rest will be invalid. |
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data-doctor |
And again, there appears to be no way to modify the message_transports directly, so when you add a new notice, the only way you can use it is if you select the 'circulation' module. |
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oleonard |
blou: For future reference: A blocker bug is one which is so severe that it should not be left unfixed in the next release |
| 16:02 |
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data-doctor |
And then you can assign it in the "Overdue Notices" |
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kivilahtio |
Regarding my issue with AutoCommit, I think TRUNCATE is not Transaction-safe in MySQL. AutoCommit works fine until I run the function C4::HoldsQueue::UpdateTransportCostMatrix, which uses TRUNCATE to clean up existing data. |
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tcohen |
hu #koha |
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kivilahtio |
hi tcohen |
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data-doctor |
When editing a Notice through Notices and Slips, the 'code' field is frozen...It seems like some tree structure would be useful here - allow only valid codes (otherwise it cannot be sent) that the selected module recognizes. |
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data-doctor |
For example, module 'Holds recognizes |
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jcamins |
kivilahtio: that is correct. |
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data-doctor |
codes 'HOLD,' 'HOLD_PRINT,' 'HOLD SMS,' etc |
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data-doctor |
It limits the value of the "New Notice" function to very tech-savvy users. |
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reiveune |
bye |
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kivilahtio |
jcamins: I will change TRUNCATE to DELETE in my patch. Makes no performance difference |
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kivilahtio |
considering how rarely Transfer weights are modified |
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Shane-S |
anyone good at package dependency resolution? |
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Shane-S |
my issue(s) http://pastebin.com/HdumkM2j |
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jeff |
Shane-S: just because it wasn't shown in the paste, I'll ask -- have you run "apt-get update" recently? |
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jeff |
Shane-S: that will not install or remove any packages, but will update the package lists -- a necessary and useful thing |
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Shane-S |
jeff, yeah started with apt-get upgrade, then ran apt-get upgrade and then apt-get -f install |
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jeff |
Shane-S: no guarantee that it will fix your issue, but thought i'd mention it just in case you hadn't run it. |
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Shane-S |
err update then upgrad |
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jeff |
Shane-S: ah. nevermind me, then. :-) |
| 16:43 |
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Shane-S |
maybe I should try a newer version install is what I am seeing online |
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Shane-S |
though I have no idea what to choose |
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ubitus |
Hi everyone! One, hopefully quick, question: How come the call numbers don't get split on the spine labels if I set the "splic call numbers" option? Is there anything else I need to do? |
| 17:09 |
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Shane-S |
seems I fixed it...had to keep "going down the rabbit hole" until I read a dependency that installed and then work my way back out |
| 17:10 |
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Shane-S |
Now new questions for jcamins / oleonard who mentioned the --create-newdb or soemthing like that on Tuesday |
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Shane-S |
If I do that, what URL do I go to setup a new library, and does my current library stay functional? |
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oleonard |
Shane-S: It's the same as the process describe in the package install instructions for setting up a new installation |
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oleonard |
The name you use to create the new library is the name by which you access it, and the old site continues to work |
| 17:16 |
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Shane-S |
Okay that sounds good... also see second comment: http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.[…]er-td3049830.html might that be a better option for me (same setup as the OP) |
| 17:17 |
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oleonard |
Why would that be a better option? |
| 17:17 |
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Shane-S |
Just trying to consider limiting issues, but the idea of seperate URL/DB might be best, as they wouldn't affect us. |
| 17:17 |
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Shane-S |
oleonard: No saying it is, asking :P |
| 17:17 |
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oleonard |
Oh, sorry. |
| 17:17 |
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Shane-S |
I forgot the ? my fault |
| 17:18 |
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oleonard |
As far as I can tell, that solution is exactly what the packages provide you |
| 17:19 |
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Shane-S |
and doing what the second responder said would potentially cause issue internally either restricting their "branch" or causes user error selecting other libraries right? |
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magnuse |
hm, this sounds like something we could have a page about on the wiki... |
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oleonard |
Sorry Shane-S, I'm not familiar with the ups and downs of the IndependentBranches option |
| 17:21 |
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oleonard |
If you want different libraries with entirely different collections, policies, preferences, etc, then you need different installations |
| 17:21 |
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magnuse |
pros and cons of independentbranches vs multiple instances |
| 17:22 |
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magnuse |
i think that is very sound advice from oleonard |
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Shane-S |
oleonard: Okay, thank you, I think that is probably the best idea for now. |
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oleonard |
The IndependentBranches option requires that all libraries be governed by the same set of system preferences. |
| 17:22 |
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Shane-S |
magnuse: I agree, I just want to at least ask, I could be missing a key feature in Koha and didn't want to go creating something I don't need |
| 17:23 |
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Shane-S |
However that above statement clarifies it, they are an independent school, own rules, fines, fees, etc. |
| 17:24 |
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Shane-S |
totally new question: apt-get upgrade does that upgrade Koha as well? |
| 17:24 |
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Shane-S |
I ask, as so much ran, but I have I haven't restarted yet, my version is still 3.08.03.00, so just want to check before I do a restart |
| 17:26 |
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Shane-S |
hmm...were did that logged link go...swore it was in the message/topic area |
| 17:26 |
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oleonard |
log? |
| 17:26 |
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wahanui |
log is http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/ |
| 17:26 |
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Shane-S |
ty |
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magnuse |
Shane-S: if there are new dependiences, it will say koha-common was held back after yo urun the upgrade. then you have to do "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 17:29 |
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magnuse |
but yes, normally "sudo apt-get upgrade" will upgrade koha |
| 17:29 |
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magnuse |
and no restart should be necessary |
| 17:29 |
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Shane-S |
magnuse: okay, tons of packages were upgrades I say a few say something about next-restart |
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magnuse |
if you have installed other languages than en you need to update them too |
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magnuse |
oh, ok |
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* magnuse |
has never seen that |
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Shane-S |
so, I will restart and re-do it. |
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* Shane-S |
didn't run it for almost a year |
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mtompset |
Greetings, #koha. |
| 17:36 |
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magnuse |
hiya mtompset |
| 17:37 |
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mtompset |
Greetings, magnuse. |
| 17:56 |
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tcohen |
what if... |
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wahanui |
i think if is not a blocker, then you can sign-off on it |
| 17:59 |
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mtompset |
what if what? |
| 17:59 |
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magnuse |
not sure this was a good idea, feel free to improve or unke it: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ultiple_instances |
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tcohen |
i understood why there are some double encoding problems in 3.12 that don't appear in master |
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* Shane-S |
crosses fingers..just did dist-upgrade |
| 18:05 |
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magnuse |
tcohen: hooray! |
| 18:05 |
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wahanui |
o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`' |
| 18:06 |
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magnuse |
tcohen: rangi had some minor revelations about encoding earlier - i think you will have an interesting kohacon ;-) |
| 18:06 |
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tcohen |
indeed :-D |
| 18:07 |
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tcohen |
"template plugins" |
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tcohen |
:-D |
| 18:07 |
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tcohen |
will check the logs for rangi's ideas |
| 18:08 |
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Shane-S |
EEEEK.....3.12.05.000...am I supposed to have 4 search boxes up top on the admin pages? |
| 18:08 |
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jcamins |
Shane-S: hold down alt and shift and refresh a few times. |
| 18:08 |
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jcamins |
It's stale CSS. |
| 18:08 |
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Shane-S |
kk ty |
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Shane-S |
sorry that was a little scary |
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oleonard |
If stale CSS is the worst of your problems then you are a winner |
| 18:11 |
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Shane-S |
checking now to make sure :P |
| 18:12 |
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Shane-S |
thinks seem okay from a basic search perspective |
| 18:12 |
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Shane-S |
now to go for that new instance stuff :P |
| 18:12 |
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tcohen |
@later tell rangi utf8 is sort-of fixed in master with the move to template plugins for showing fixed value combos like patron types, item types and so on, because plugins do it outside the .pl and thus no double encoding in Output.pm |
| 18:12 |
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huginn |
tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
| 18:14 |
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Shane-S |
so...sudo koha-create --create-db newlib newlib=name I want, so like sudo koha-create --create-db woodburyhts ? |
| 18:16 |
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Shane-S |
Here is where I am slightly lost... "Now you can visit your admininstration website to continue with the Koha web installer" My server IP is 10.0.0.15, would the URL be 10.0.0.15/woodburyhts ? |
| 18:16 |
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jcamins |
Nope, you'll need to set up DNS so that woodburyhts points to your server. |
| 18:18 |
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Shane-S |
jcamins: well if I go to 10.0.0.15 it bring up my library, assuming that is because apache's default site is setup to respond for 10.0.0.15 with my site? |
| 18:19 |
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jcamins |
Right, since you're using name-based virtual hosts, you'll need to configure DNS to make the names resolve correctly. |
| 18:19 |
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Shane-S |
jcamins: okay, sorry been awhile since I set this all up :P |
| 18:19 |
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Shane-S |
dusting off the cob-webs |
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rangi |
Morning |
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wahanui |
Morning is probably a state of cat |
| 18:28 |
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Shane-S |
where does koha have the sites conf files located or their names so I can use locate |
| 18:28 |
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Shane-S |
I can't see to find my httd.conf or similar and I recall it being in like a sites/koha/instance type folder structure |
| 18:28 |
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Shane-S |
and then placing files in enabled |
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jcamins |
/etc/apache2/sites-available/[instancename] |
| 18:29 |
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Shane-S |
ty |
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jcamins |
And there's a symlink in sites-enabled. |
| 18:31 |
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magnuse |
yeah, no need to move files or create symlinks when you use koha-create |
| 18:32 |
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Shane-S |
jcamins: the only reference to a url is in a file named koha, and its VH with *:443 saying Redirect / http://library.npelem.com |
| 18:32 |
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jcamins |
There wouldn't be any mention of any URL. It's just ServerName. |
| 18:33 |
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Shane-S |
am I going to have my work cut out for me to have say woodburyhts.npelem.com as a second library? |
| 18:33 |
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Shane-S |
ServerName is set to koha |
| 18:34 |
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Shane-S |
but the VH is set to *: everywhere |
| 18:35 |
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Shane-S |
sorry I am just used to apache files listing a URL and saying what document root to use |
| 18:36 |
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Shane-S |
I am not following the logic in these, perhaps I should just start the new instance and find out |
| 18:37 |
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gmcharlt |
and now DOM indexing of UNIMARC records ... is a thing |
| 18:38 |
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bag |
cool |
| 18:38 |
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rangi |
Yay |
| 18:38 |
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gmcharlt |
some day I am going to write a patch that does not have "follow-up" in the title |
| 18:39 |
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oleonard |
Not while you're RM you're not ;) |
| 18:39 |
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gmcharlt |
@later tell magnuse in the process of pushing 8252, I pushed a follow-up for 8260 that tied up a loose end for NOMARC; it shouldn't break anything, but I would appreciate a look-see |
| 18:39 |
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huginn |
gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. |
| 18:40 |
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magnuse |
gmcharlt: thanks, i'll have a look |
| 18:43 |
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magnuse |
gmcharlt: "Bug 8620: (follow-up) apply to NORMARC and MARC21 authorities", right? |
| 18:43 |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8252: (follow-up) add basic UNIMARC indexing tests <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]c1ad52bdb0b7c32f4> / Bug 8252: (follow-up) make it easier to add UNIMARC indexing tests <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]da1ef7f2cdeb259af> / bug 8252: (follow-up) add search tests on music number <http://git.koha-community.org/g |
| 18:43 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8620 critical, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, RESOLVED FIXED, Barcode searching not working correctly |
| 18:44 |
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gmcharlt |
magnuse: just NORMAC bibs |
| 18:44 |
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magnuse |
yeah, NORMARC authorities are non-existent... |
| 18:45 |
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gmcharlt |
magnuse: how very anarchistic |
| 18:45 |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build #140 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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magnuse |
gmcharlt: but i have a cunning plan, aka bug 9057 |
| 18:47 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9057 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, ASSIGNED , Add support for athorities to NORMARC |
| 18:47 |
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magnuse |
unless marc is obsolete before i get to it |
| 18:48 |
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gmcharlt |
how do Norwegian libraries do authority control? |
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magnuse |
gmcharlt: each proprietary system has solved it in their own way, i think |
| 18:49 |
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gmcharlt |
fun |
| 18:49 |
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magnuse |
there is no NORMARC format for authorities |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build #1436 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 18:49 |
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magnuse |
yeah, makes things so much more interesting |
| 18:50 |
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magnuse |
and vendors are sort of hesitant to admit that the authority data belongs to the libraries, i think |
| 18:51 |
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Shane-S |
okay, so where do you designate domain1 = library 1 and domain2 = library 2 |
| 18:53 |
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Shane-S |
I use a reverse proxy currently, and we only had the 1 instance, and the *:80 *:8080 entries worked |
| 18:54 |
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rangi |
tcohen: you are right, however the double encoding actually occurs in C4/Templates not C4/Output afaict, but you and I can sort this out in Reno I bet :) |
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jcamins |
Shane-S: in the virtual hosts in /etc/apache2/sites-available |
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jcamins |
You may also need to modify your reverse proxy configuration, depending how you have it set up. |
| 18:54 |
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tcohen |
:D |
| 18:55 |
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Shane-S |
jcamins: Okay, do I change the * entry on the new instance, to be like woodbryhts.com:80 versus *:80 |
| 18:55 |
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jcamins |
No, you want to change the ServerName. |
| 18:55 |
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jcamins |
Take a look at the Apache documentation on name-based virtual hosts. |
| 18:56 |
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Shane-S |
jcamins: okay, odd that is has worked with my main site URL being called just "koha" |
| 18:56 |
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jcamins |
Not really. |
| 18:57 |
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jcamins |
When there's only one option, you can't possibly make a wrong choice. |
| 18:57 |
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Shane-S |
true, still working now, so I do need to see what I did with the pound redirects |
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jcamins |
Of course, SSL is not going to work with the second site. |
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Shane-S |
jcamins: shouldn;t the default IP internally break though now that I have koha and woodburhts in the sites available |
| 18:58 |
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data-doctor |
When creating a new notification or "Notice" there is a choice of many modules, however the only modules that currently use notifications are circulation and reserves. |
| 18:58 |
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jcamins |
Only when you try to access the second. |
| 18:58 |
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Shane-S |
jcamins: not concerned with SSL/https |
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Shane-S |
jcamins: How does Koha work without "DocumentRoot"? |
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rangi |
it doesnt |
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rangi |
look at the includes |
| 19:01 |
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Shane-S |
ah okay |
| 19:01 |
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rangi |
(none of this is really Koha btw, but Apache :)) |
| 19:04 |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10037: fix item index in UNIMARC DOM indexing <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]e5b5bfa59133e1b39> / Bug 10037: regression test for searching UNIMARC item index in DOM mode <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]b1ffe8adb73e7ae4d> |
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Shane-S |
so...to make this work correctly, (all pound does it redirect the http-head to the right IP), I need to setup both server names correctly right? |
| 19:09 |
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tcohen |
bye #koha |
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Shane-S |
okay....set the ServerNames correctly now....have to wait for DNS to propogate now |
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data-doctor |
Sorry, the other modules do use the existing notifications, you just can't add new notifications. |
| 19:25 |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10335: display translated forms of headings in UNIMARC authorities correctly <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]03b6dee0d152f24cd> |
| 19:26 |
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magnuse |
soap-- |
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magnuse |
have fun, #koha! |
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rangi |
cya magnuse |
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* jcamins |
isn't sure if magnuse has a soap allergy or has been using that appalling XML-based protocol that some sadist came up with for over-network RPC. |
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jenkins_koha |
Project master_maria build #140: UNSTABLE in 43 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]master_maria/140/ |
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jenkins_koha |
* Mathieu Saby: Bug 8252: Fix indexing of UNIMARC 1xx for GRS-1 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Mathieu Saby: Bug 8252: Fix indexing of UNIMARC 1xx for DOM |
| 19:29 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Mathieu Saby: Bug 8252: Followup for Date/time-last-modified and Music number |
| 19:29 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Frédéric Demians: Bug 8852: DOM XSL now handles subfield substring extraction |
| 19:29 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8252 critical, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Pushed to Master , Error in DOM biblio for UNIMARC (no range for fields 1xx) |
| 19:29 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Mathieu Saby: Bug 8252: (follow-up) fix biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl |
| 19:29 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Galen Charlton: Bug 8252: (follow-up) tidy up long lines in bib1.att |
| 19:29 |
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rangi |
ncip reminds me a lot of SOAP |
| 19:29 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Galen Charlton: Bug 8620: (follow-up) apply to NORMARC and MARC21 authorities |
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jenkins_koha |
* Galen Charlton: Bug 8252: (follow-up) standardize name of Identifier-publisher-for-music index |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8852 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , branch not showing in serials results |
| 19:29 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Galen Charlton: bug 8252: (follow-up) test both GRS1 and DOM indexing |
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jenkins_koha |
* Galen Charlton: bug 8252: (follow-up) add search tests on music number |
| 19:29 |
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rangi |
fwiw |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8620 critical, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, RESOLVED FIXED, Barcode searching not working correctly |
| 19:29 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Galen Charlton: Bug 8252: (follow-up) make it easier to add UNIMARC indexing tests |
| 19:29 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Galen Charlton: Bug 8252: (follow-up) add basic UNIMARC indexing tests |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build #141 for job master_maria (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #139 1 day 13 hr ago) |
| 19:29 |
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jcamins |
rangi: so, really ugly and horrible? |
| 19:29 |
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rangi |
yes, and yes |
| 19:29 |
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rangi |
say i want to lookupanitem |
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rangi |
i have to send the minimum of 15 lines of xml |
| 19:30 |
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rangi |
with the only actual useful bit being the item identifier |
| 19:31 |
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rangi |
SIP sux, but at least its compact :) |
| 19:31 |
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Shane-S |
uhh...lost the wiki pages, was it packages or install that tell me where to find the instance password in a file |
| 19:31 |
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Shane-S |
you know the first web-login |
| 19:31 |
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Shane-S |
oh jcamins I got it working fyi, ty |
| 19:31 |
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Shane-S |
whes.npelem.com = maintaince, while library.npelem.com = normal |
| 19:34 |
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rangi |
http://googleonlinesecurity.bl[…]lity-rewards.html |
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* Shane-S |
beats head on desk...so I got my password...my god is that long but...uh....username koha_library isnt working |
| 19:36 |
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Shane-S |
Is the username koha_library or koha_instancename? |
| 19:36 |
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jcamins |
koha_instancename |
| 19:37 |
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Shane-S |
okay.... |
| 19:38 |
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Shane-S |
file name is woodburyhts... I am doing koha_woodburyhts and pasting the password...not working |
| 19:38 |
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Shane-S |
do I need to change it from My Library to what is in the Drop Down? |
| 19:38 |
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jcamins |
You shouldn't. |
| 19:38 |
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Shane-S |
Actually....should it show National Park school since this is a new instance? |
| 19:39 |
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jcamins |
It sounds like you didn't adjust both virtual hosts. |
| 19:39 |
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jcamins |
There are two in the file. |
| 19:39 |
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Shane-S |
yeah let me check |
| 19:39 |
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Shane-S |
cause my personal login worked |
| 19:43 |
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Shane-S |
odd it is set, but apache warned of an overlap...let me pastebin it |
| 19:44 |
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jcamins |
You probably need to add NameVirtualHost *:8080 |
| 19:44 |
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jcamins |
To /etc/apache2/ports.conf. |
| 19:45 |
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magnuse |
jcamins: it's the protocol, sadly... |
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jcamins |
magnuse: ewww. |
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Shane-S |
can I add it after *:80 and before the LISTEN 80 and LISTEN 8080 lines? |
| 19:47 |
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jcamins |
Yes. |
| 19:47 |
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jcamins |
Then reload or restart Apache. |
| 19:47 |
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Shane-S |
ah much better no complaining other then FQDN |
| 19:48 |
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Shane-S |
THERE WE GO! different login, thank you! |
| 19:49 |
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bag |
hey those of you out there that are using plack on your opac's do you all have any problem with the rss.pl? I've got one that is using localhost (127.0.0.1) instead of the OPACbaseURL |
| 19:49 |
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oleonard |
Someone out there is using rss.pl? |
| 19:49 |
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bag |
(btw I'm using a rewrite rule in apache to get to port 5000) |
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bag |
surprising oleonard but yes someone is using it |
| 19:50 |
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jcamins |
bag: I have never tried it, but I'll look now. |
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bag |
I did add an exception to the rewrite rule - for rss.pl to not go to port 5000 and restarted apache2 but no luck |
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bag |
I'm going to try and restart plack tonight too - I didn't think of that last night |
| 19:51 |
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jcamins |
Hrm. What would a call to rss.pl look like? |
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bag |
one sec |
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bag |
format=rss2 |
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rangi |
hmm im not sure that uses rss.pl |
| 19:53 |
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bag |
yeah it doesn't |
| 19:53 |
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rangi |
bag: can you put int he full url? |
| 19:53 |
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bag |
lightbulb went off |
| 19:53 |
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rangi |
rss.pl creates static files |
| 19:53 |
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rangi |
and is dead dead dead |
| 19:53 |
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rangi |
afaik |
| 19:53 |
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rangi |
:) |
| 19:53 |
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bag |
back to the drawing board - thanks |
| 19:53 |
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bag |
yes it's dead - I was chasing a dead path :P |
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rangi |
:) |
| 19:54 |
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rangi |
i see dead files |
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oleonard |
Get out of there! The RSS is coming from inside the house! |
| 19:55 |
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rangi |
heh |
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Shane-S |
999 for months for account not to expire right? |
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rangi |
bag: opac-opensearch.tt would be my suspect |
| 20:01 |
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rangi |
http://www.mentalfloss.com/art[…]ns-only-canadians |
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bag |
I wish I was canadian right now |
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rangi |
heh |
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rangi |
dont worry, we are helping out |
| 20:05 |
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rangi |
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/n[…]objectid=11138156 |
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jenkins_koha |
Yippie, build fixed! |
| 20:10 |
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jenkins_koha |
Project master_maria build #141: FIXED in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]master_maria/141/ |
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jenkins_koha |
* Galen Charlton: Bug 10037: regression test for searching UNIMARC item index in DOM mode |
| 20:10 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Mathieu Saby: Bug 10037: fix item index in UNIMARC DOM indexing |
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jenkins_koha |
* Janusz Kaczmarek: Bug 10335: display translated forms of headings in UNIMARC authorities correctly |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10037 normal, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Pushed to Master , fix item index in UNIMARC DOM indexing |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10335 minor, P5 - low, ---, januszop, Pushed to Master , UNIMARC authorities search doesn't display properly information on parallel form |
| 20:11 |
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rangi |
yay! |
| 20:14 |
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Shane-S |
anyone know the CSS class to get the blue default background? |
| 20:15 |
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jcamins |
oleonard's blog? |
| 20:15 |
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wahanui |
i guess oleonard's blog is http://www.myacpl.org/koha |
| 20:15 |
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Shane-S |
I want to make it red, but can;t find if it is an image or a CSS gradient |
| 20:15 |
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jcamins |
^^ I think that might be there |
| 20:16 |
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oleonard |
#opac-main-search, line 973 of opac.css |
| 20:21 |
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Shane-S |
oleonard: lol I was reading your blog...and was about to scream...you covered every area AROUND that bar and the logo...yet to find the actual bar :P |
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oleonard |
Yes, but if you read the part about using Firebug, you could have found it yourself ;) |
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Shane-S |
no wonder I can't find it, I am in the yui css |
| 20:22 |
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Shane-S |
well chome's inspect element works well too, but it kept giving me yui referrences |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_master build #1436: SUCCESS in 1 hr 33 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1436/ |
| 20:22 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Mathieu Saby: Bug 8252: Fix indexing of UNIMARC 1xx for GRS-1 |
| 20:22 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Mathieu Saby: Bug 8252: Fix indexing of UNIMARC 1xx for DOM |
| 20:22 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Mathieu Saby: Bug 8252: Followup for Date/time-last-modified and Music number |
| 20:22 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Frédéric Demians: Bug 8852: DOM XSL now handles subfield substring extraction |
| 20:22 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8252 critical, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Pushed to Master , Error in DOM biblio for UNIMARC (no range for fields 1xx) |
| 20:22 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Mathieu Saby: Bug 8252: (follow-up) fix biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl |
| 20:22 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Galen Charlton: Bug 8252: (follow-up) tidy up long lines in bib1.att |
| 20:22 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Galen Charlton: Bug 8620: (follow-up) apply to NORMARC and MARC21 authorities |
| 20:22 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Galen Charlton: Bug 8252: (follow-up) standardize name of Identifier-publisher-for-music index |
| 20:22 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8852 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , branch not showing in serials results |
| 20:22 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Galen Charlton: bug 8252: (follow-up) test both GRS1 and DOM indexing |
| 20:22 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Galen Charlton: bug 8252: (follow-up) add search tests on music number |
| 20:22 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8620 critical, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, RESOLVED FIXED, Barcode searching not working correctly |
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jenkins_koha |
* Galen Charlton: Bug 8252: (follow-up) make it easier to add UNIMARC indexing tests |
| 20:22 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Galen Charlton: Bug 8252: (follow-up) add basic UNIMARC indexing tests |
| 20:23 |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build #1437 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 20:26 |
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oleonard |
Shane-S: Are you finding what you need? |
| 20:26 |
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Shane-S |
Yep, I just used the custom CSS and use a red gradient |
| 20:26 |
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Shane-S |
whes.npelem.com |
| 20:27 |
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Shane-S |
lose colorzilla site |
| 20:27 |
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Shane-S |
love* |
| 20:30 |
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oleonard |
Bye #koha |
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magnuse |
Shane-S: you might want to play a little with "h1#libraryname { height: 100px; }" in OPACUserCSS too ;-) |
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* cait |
waves |
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* magnuse |
waves back then falls asleep |
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cait |
i was about to tell you that you should be sleeping :) |
| 21:04 |
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eythian |
hi |
| 21:04 |
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wahanui |
hi, eythian |
| 21:05 |
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gmcharlt |
cait: around? |
| 21:05 |
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cait |
i shouldn't be... but i am :) |
| 21:06 |
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gmcharlt |
I've written some test cases for 7421 -- and I'm reasonably confident that it's working |
| 21:06 |
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cait |
bug 7421 |
| 21:06 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7421 enhancement, P4, ---, mathieu.saby, Failed QA , UNIMARC authorities DOM indexing mode |
| 21:06 |
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cait |
nice |
| 21:06 |
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cait |
it did work for me too - but didn't do anything without |
| 21:06 |
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gmcharlt |
at least insofar as UNIMARC authorities are behaving the same for both DOM and GRS-1 |
| 21:06 |
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cait |
not a bad start |
| 21:07 |
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gmcharlt |
I also suspect that Joubu's data set is not the same one that was supplied with the bug |
| 21:07 |
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gmcharlt |
as there aren't 27 records that even contain the sequence of letters 'wil' |
| 21:07 |
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gmcharlt |
just 11 |
| 21:08 |
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cait |
hard to tell - i haven't read all of today's mail yet |
| 21:11 |
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cait |
i think the interesitng bit is missing |
| 21:12 |
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cait |
the numbers are different - but which records make the difference |
| 21:12 |
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gmcharlt |
yeah, my inclination is to push it -- the tests make me pretty confident that it's not breaking the any index |
| 21:13 |
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gmcharlt |
and if Joubu has a different dataset that /is/ breaking things, he can attach it to the bug :) |
| 21:13 |
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cait |
hm why would it break the any index? and only of authorities or in general? |
| 21:13 |
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cait |
@wunder Konstanz |
| 21:14 |
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huginn |
cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 5.0°C (11:00 PM CEST on October 10, 2013). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014 hPa (Falling). |
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cait |
brr. |
| 21:14 |
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cait |
@wunder Reno, Nevada |
| 21:14 |
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huginn |
cait: The current temperature in MidTown, Reno, Nevada is 15.8°C (2:00 PM PDT on October 10, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Falling). |
| 21:14 |
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gmcharlt |
my guess, TBH, is that one of the files hadn't been transferred properly before the reindexing was done |
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@wunder nzwn |
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cait |
gmcharlt: maybe. i just did some vey basic testing and the results seemed to make sense, but others have confirmed it works... |
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cait |
currently you can't use it at all, but you can install it with dom |
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cait |
well if you install with dom, it won't be working at all. I think pushing it would improve things and Joubu maybe can provide more information about the difference |
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cait |
in the results |
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cait |
hope i am making sense |
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gmcharlt |
yeah I've pushed it, but I"m leaving the bug with the status in discussion |
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gmcharlt |
in case it turns out I need to revert |
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gmcharlt |
(this, of course, is why unit tests with sample data can be very helpful, as it means that we're all looking at the same thing when testing) |
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cait |
true |
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New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7421: support indexing UNIMARC authority records using the DOM Filter <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]7e6e461644b5f730d> / Bug 7421: add regression tests for UNIMARC authorities DOM indexing <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]81d06d1409134d39c> |
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sabol |
Is there a banner API for Koha to load patron data? |
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rangi |
what is banner? |
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rangi |
this thing http://www.ellucian.com/Solutions/Banner-Student/ ? |
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sabol |
yes |
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rangi |
if it can export as csv, you can just load that in the import patron tool |
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sabol |
OK, but for other ILS you can have nightly loads of patron data, so that it is always up to date, is there something like that where it is automated? |
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rangi |
sure, if you automate it |
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sabol |
Awesome, thank you |
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rangi |
you just have to automate getting the csv and loading it in with a cron job or the like |
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sabol |
Right |
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rangi |
unless Banner has an LDAP interface? |
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rangi |
in which case you could just hook koha up to thta |
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rangi |
but you'd probably still want to do bulk loads at say the start of each year |
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sabol |
Great, thanks for the info, it will be very helpful |
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* Galen Charlton: Bug 10037: regression test for searching UNIMARC item index in DOM mode |
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* Mathieu Saby: Bug 10037: fix item index in UNIMARC DOM indexing |
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* Janusz Kaczmarek: Bug 10335: display translated forms of headings in UNIMARC authorities correctly |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10037 normal, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Pushed to Master , fix item index in UNIMARC DOM indexing |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10335 minor, P5 - low, ---, januszop, Pushed to Master , UNIMARC authorities search doesn't display properly information on parallel form |
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* Galen Charlton: Bug 7421: add regression tests for UNIMARC authorities DOM indexing |
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* Mathieu Saby: Bug 7421: support indexing UNIMARC authority records using the DOM Filter |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7421 enhancement, P4, ---, mathieu.saby, In Discussion , UNIMARC authorities DOM indexing mode |
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rangi |
yay |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: bug 5202: (follow-up) tweak display of merge action link on staged batch page <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]6134db5655cd3e6d2> / bug 5202: (follow-up) adjust for the move of the merge record Javascript <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]7a4bc8338fea156a4> / Bug 5202: QA follow-up - correct license and POD errors <h |
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rangi |
thats good cos i just answered an rfp saying we could do that |
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rangi |
:) |
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rangi |
bug 5202 that is |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5202 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Merge authority records |
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cait |
heh |
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gmcharlt |
rangi: I was wondering why you were responding to UNIMARC RFPs ;) |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9282: (follow-up) remove log noise caused by authorities/ysearch.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]6b54a58a3f7a6490d> / Bug 9282: (follow-up) add authtypecode to authority auto-completion search <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]8ad365e7b9d36c4a7> / Bug 9282: improve auto-completion for authority record finder |
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Project master_maria build #143: SUCCESS in 43 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]master_maria/143/ |
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* Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 5202: merge authorities from the authority file and reservoir |
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* Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 5202: QA follow-up: quiet warnings |
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* Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 5202: (follow-up) Quiet warning |
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* Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 5202: QA follow-up - improve merge reference selection |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5202 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Merge authority records |
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* Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 5202: QA follow-up - correct license and POD errors |
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* Galen Charlton: bug 5202: (follow-up) adjust for the move of the merge record Javascript |
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* Galen Charlton: bug 5202: (follow-up) tweak display of merge action link on staged batch page |
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New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9295: DBRev 3.13.00.025 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]6b656558f48496ebb> / Bug 9295: Introduce operator equal/ notequal to OAI set mapping instead of hardcoded... <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]be94ff5b90f71a7a2> |
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Project Koha_master build #1438: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 33 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1438/ |
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* Galen Charlton: Bug 7421: add regression tests for UNIMARC authorities DOM indexing |
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* Mathieu Saby: Bug 7421: support indexing UNIMARC authority records using the DOM Filter |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7421 enhancement, P4, ---, mathieu.saby, In Discussion , UNIMARC authorities DOM indexing mode |
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New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10602: DBrev 3.13.00.026 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]af58e57b7735afff0> / Bug 10602: (follow-up) to remove tabs <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]2a5acf4872f7ed78b> / Bug 10602: Set default value for authority fields via the framework <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]tdiff;h=e273e11b0 |
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* Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9282: improve auto-completion for authority record finder |
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* Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9282: (follow-up) add authtypecode to authority auto-completion search |
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* Galen Charlton: Bug 9282: (follow-up) remove log noise caused by authorities/ysearch.pl |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9282 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , authorities auto-completion in mainmainentry |
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New commit(s) kohagit: bug 10365: change routing slips to use date published rather than planned date <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]12f3e89e73453eebb> |
