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jcamins |
eythian: wish I were in Australia. |
| 00:14 |
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jcamins |
They have reasonable copyright laws, so those books are public domain. |
| 00:14 |
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eythian |
do they not sell to the US? |
| 00:14 |
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wizzyrea |
US has stupid copyright laws |
| 00:14 |
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jcamins |
eythian: they probably do, but that doesn't make my country any less stupid. :( |
| 00:15 |
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wizzyrea |
so books that are public domain in many other places aren't in the US |
| 00:15 |
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eythian |
the best money can buy |
| 00:15 |
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wizzyrea |
so. stupid. |
| 00:35 |
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mtompset |
Greetings, #koha. |
| 01:30 |
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mtompset |
blou: Are you still here?! Or did you just leave your IRC client running since Friday. |
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* Oak |
waves |
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eythian |
http://blog.oxforddictionaries[…]9/oed-researcher/ |
| 05:47 |
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mtompset |
Greetings, eythian. |
| 05:47 |
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mtompset |
I'm having a problem with self-checkout log in. |
| 05:48 |
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mtompset |
Any ideas what I have to configure to get it to work? |
| 06:20 |
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* magnuse |
waves |
| 06:26 |
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mtompset |
Greetings, magnuse. |
| 06:26 |
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magnuse |
hiya mtompset |
| 06:26 |
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* mtompset |
cheers, "THERE! I got self-checkout to work." |
| 06:29 |
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magnuse |
yay! |
| 06:29 |
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mtompset |
Now to contemplate bug 10799 |
| 06:29 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10799 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Able to become self-checkout staff user in OPAC |
| 06:32 |
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mtompset |
What fun things are you working on, magnuse? |
| 06:32 |
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magnuse |
fixing leftovers from a migration |
| 06:32 |
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magnuse |
the old system "forgot" to include barcodes in the exported data |
| 06:32 |
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magnuse |
or they exported the equvalent of itemnumbers in place of the barcodes |
| 06:33 |
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mtompset |
Yuck. |
| 06:33 |
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mtompset |
Well, at least there should be a way to map them behind the scenes to fix it. |
| 06:33 |
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magnuse |
got a file now with itemnumbers and barcodes, so i just have to turn that into "update items set barcode = x where barcode = y" |
| 06:33 |
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* mtompset |
nods. |
| 06:33 |
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magnuse |
yeah, it's almost too easy... |
| 06:33 |
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magnuse |
(famous last words...) |
| 06:34 |
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mtompset |
Your pain will come for the indexing. :P |
| 06:36 |
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mtompset |
oh, and make sure your string matching is exact... those substring matching multiple items would be a BAD thing. |
| 06:37 |
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magnuse |
yeah, but i think it will be ok :-) |
| 06:38 |
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magnuse |
i just need to swap the columns in the file i got.. |
| 06:38 |
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cait |
unimarc? |
| 06:38 |
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wahanui |
well, unimarc is http://www.ifla.org/en/publica[…]ted-documentation |
| 06:39 |
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* cait |
tries to catalog multilanguage authorities in unimarc before work... |
| 06:39 |
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* cait |
must be crazy |
| 06:39 |
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mtompset |
If anyone can do it, you can, cait. :) |
| 06:40 |
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cait |
hm doesn't seem so |
| 06:40 |
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mtompset |
Ah... I didn't know that RUSMARC was UNIMARC. I thought it was a MARC21 variant. |
| 06:41 |
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reiveune |
hello |
| 06:42 |
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mtompset |
Bonjour, reiveune. :) |
| 06:42 |
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reiveune |
hi :) |
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mtompset |
reiveune: I see you here often. Perhaps you should be on the list of regulars? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars |
| 06:45 |
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reiveune |
I would have to do it, yes. |
| 06:47 |
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cait |
ok, it worked :) |
| 06:47 |
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cait |
bbl |
| 06:49 |
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Oak |
cait++ |
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| 07:00 |
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mtompset |
Greetings, Oak. |
| 07:00 |
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mtompset |
Shoot. 3am... I should sleep. |
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mtompset |
Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha. |
| 07:03 |
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Oak |
@later tell mtompset http://www.newscientist.com/ar[…]wl-or-a-lark.html |
| 07:03 |
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huginn |
Oak: The operation succeeded. |
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samueld |
hi everybody :-) |
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* magnuse |
grumbles about weird file formats |
| 07:29 |
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* kf |
grumbles about mondays and time moving too fast |
| 07:29 |
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kf |
morning magnuse :) |
| 07:29 |
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magnuse |
kia ora kf |
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gaetan_B |
hello |
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| 09:21 |
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drojf |
good morning #koha |
| 09:23 |
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drojf |
if less people had voted twice or even more, i would have a preliminary result of the kohacon 2014 vote now :/ |
| 09:24 |
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magnuse |
ouch! |
| 09:24 |
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kf |
:( |
| 09:25 |
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kf |
good morning drojf |
| 09:25 |
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kf |
we missed you :) |
| 09:26 |
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kf |
and drojf++ |
| 09:26 |
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magnuse |
yeah drojf++ |
| 09:26 |
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magnuse |
are there multiple occurences of the same email addresses? |
| 09:26 |
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kf |
patch workflow? |
| 09:26 |
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wahanui |
patch workflow is at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]nt-patch_Workflow |
| 09:27 |
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drojf |
hi kf and magnuse |
| 09:28 |
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drojf |
magnuse: yes. and obviously same people using a gmail and another address. or a name+something gmail address on top of the regular one |
| 09:29 |
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drojf |
more than i would have expected |
| 09:36 |
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magnuse |
sounds like un-fun |
| 09:36 |
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magnuse |
and did they vote for the same thing with both/all addresses? |
| 09:39 |
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drojf |
yes, i guess that was the point of doing that. :P we will see, i check tonight |
| 09:43 |
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magnuse |
yay! |
| 09:46 |
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drojf |
let's hope it is the same on both sides and blame server errors. :) |
| 09:49 |
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magnuse |
yeah |
| 09:49 |
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kf |
drojf++ :) |
| 09:49 |
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kf |
for being thorough |
| 09:49 |
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* kf |
thinks we volunteered the right person for the job ;) |
| 10:16 |
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magnuse |
ooh, massive code duplication between marc21_field_006.tt and marc21_field_008.tt |
| 10:16 |
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magnuse |
and now i want to add a version for normarc... |
| 10:16 |
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magnuse |
most of those files could go in an include |
| 10:17 |
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magnuse |
what's the proper way to do that for marc21, i wonder |
| 10:17 |
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magnuse |
use an include for normarc, then if/when that gets pushed, do a followup for marc21, using the same include? |
| 10:17 |
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magnuse |
yeah, i think that has to be it |
| 10:23 |
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drojf |
spoiler alert: i had another look at the votes. there are not as many duplicates as i thought at first, some things look a little fishy on both sides and the vote is very clearly in favour of argentina for kohacon 2014. |
| 10:23 |
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kf |
WOHOOOOO! |
| 10:23 |
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kf |
:) |
| 10:29 |
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magnuse |
yay for clear results! |
| 10:29 |
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kf |
that too :) |
| 10:33 |
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magnuse |
and yay for bug 10010 |
| 10:33 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10010 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use jQueryUI Accordion to display constraints in MARC subfield editor |
| 10:50 |
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kf |
@later tell tcohen congratulations! |
| 10:50 |
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huginn |
kf: The operation succeeded. |
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drojf |
the mailing lists don't like CC |
| 10:54 |
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drojf |
^^ |
| 11:04 |
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bgkriegel |
Good news for us!! :) |
| 11:05 |
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drojf |
yes, congratulations := |
| 11:05 |
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drojf |
:) |
| 11:24 |
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magnuse |
bgkriegel++ tcohen++ |
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kivilahtio |
Hi #Koha! I think I found a bug, but I am not sure. I was writing test cases and stumbled upon this behaviour. Item has no itemtype or collection code, but the biblio has them defined in the bibliotems-table. When I use the C4::Biblio::GetBiblioFromItemNumber( $item->{itemnumber} ) I actually get the contents of the items-table, instead of the biblioitems-table. So even if the biblioitems-table has the collection code and itemtype defined, |
| 11:34 |
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kivilahtio |
they wont be included in the Get"Biblio"-SELECT. This is very cofusing, since I thought I am pulling a biblioitem from the DB instead of a item. |
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kivilahtio |
I just realized that the biblioitem has no collection code, just itemtype |
| 11:54 |
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kf |
kivilahtio: I think you don't understand how it works |
| 11:54 |
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kf |
biblioitems are not items |
| 11:54 |
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kf |
biblio + bilbioitems = bibliographic information, items = items |
| 11:55 |
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kf |
it's because koha used to have a frbr like database structure that there are biblioitems |
| 11:55 |
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kf |
and the itemtype there won't be used if you have item level itypes |
| 11:55 |
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kf |
which i woudl recommend |
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kivilahtio |
kf: ok |
| 11:58 |
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kf |
it is an option that you can use a bilbio level itemtyp - item-level_itypes I think |
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kivilahtio |
kf: I think I am misunderstanding the sql :) or some strange behaviour in my IDE |
| 12:08 |
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kf |
not sure about that routine |
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oleonard |
Hi #koha |
| 12:25 |
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kf |
hi oleonard :) |
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magnuse |
hiya oleonard |
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tcohen |
morning |
| 12:35 |
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kf |
good morning :) |
| 12:35 |
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kivilahtio |
g'day |
| 12:36 |
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tcohen |
bug 10609 |
| 12:36 |
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kf |
tcohen: congratulations :) |
| 12:36 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10609 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Use branch name rather than branch code in serials-collection.pl |
| 12:36 |
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tcohen |
oh |
| 12:36 |
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tcohen |
#koha: thanks for trusting us :-D |
| 12:37 |
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kf |
:) |
| 12:37 |
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kf |
I am very happy with the results :) |
| 12:38 |
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tcohen |
too!! |
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* kf |
throws confetti |
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oleonard |
kf: Koha seems to handle manual entry of dates pretty well now, aside from the 12:00AM time if you don't include one |
| 13:32 |
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oleonard |
It didn't like a 1900 date ("1900-01-01"), which was translated to 3800-01-01, but it correctly rejected two-digit years |
| 13:33 |
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kf |
oleonard: that sounds good |
| 13:33 |
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kf |
what do you think? could we remove the read-only on that grounds? with a bit more testing? |
| 13:33 |
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kf |
or should it be kept and needs to be a syspref... or third option? |
| 13:34 |
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oleonard |
I think we could remove it after doing some more testing |
| 13:36 |
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kf |
sounds good to me |
| 13:36 |
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kf |
:) |
| 13:36 |
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kf |
i will try to do some with different date formats |
| 13:38 |
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kf |
oleonard++ thx for your input :) |
| 13:44 |
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kivilahtio |
wow, extending these UseBranchTransferLimits to holds is a big thing :) |
| 13:44 |
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kivilahtio |
just looking through the build_holds_queue.pl and it is pretty interesting |
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oleonard |
Extending X to holds is a big thing for any value of X. |
| 13:51 |
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kf |
kivilahtio: don't forget... small testable steps. |
| 13:51 |
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kf |
especially difficult to do with holds, but needed |
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kivilahtio |
kf: How should I format my patches then? I have one as a central access point to check if Branchtransfer is ok + unit tests. Then I need to modify all use cases of reservation to support BranchTransferLimits. This includes API's and OPAC and staff client. Then I need to modify the build_holds_queue.pl . I understood that you should have only one patch, but I think that might be a bit impossible :) How should I link my bugs together? Can I |
| 14:06 |
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kivilahtio |
make one patch and have other patches depend on that? like bug_10993 -> bug_10995 -> bug_10996 ? |
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kivilahtio |
maybe using the depends-field in bugzilla? |
| 14:09 |
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kf |
yes |
| 14:09 |
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kf |
you can have bugs that depend on each other |
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luca_ |
hi, i have this problem: i want to use the field 084 in marc record (because i want to use an other classification number) |
| 14:36 |
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luca_ |
but if the book hasn't the field, i can see just the 82 field (dewej classification) |
| 14:37 |
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luca_ |
How can i solve this |
| 14:37 |
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luca_ |
? |
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luca_ |
i don't know how to do... |
| 14:39 |
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kf |
luca_: you probably need to adjust your bibliographic frameworks to have the field not hidden as a first step |
| 14:42 |
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luca_ |
ok, i'm going to try |
| 14:42 |
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luca_ |
... |
| 14:43 |
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luca_ |
no, doesn't work.... |
| 14:44 |
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luca_ |
we set 84 mandatory:yes |
| 14:44 |
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luca_ |
but it still doesn't show |
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kf |
check the hidden value |
| 14:46 |
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kf |
and the tab |
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kf |
in the advancedoptions |
| 14:46 |
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kf |
and not only the field, but also take a look at the subfields |
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luca_ |
"advanced options" where is? |
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luca_ |
advanced option in wich menu? |
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luca_ |
where i can set the hidden filds? |
| 14:59 |
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luca_ |
i want to see the 84 field... |
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kf |
you can make it visible in cataloguing |
| 15:00 |
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kf |
to make it visible in the detail pages more work is needed |
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luca_ |
yes, i want to see it in the MARC record, when for instance I click "new record" |
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kf |
please take a look at the manual about modifying your bibliographic frameworks - I think you need to take a look at the tab field and the hidden values should be empty |
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luca_ |
if I get a marc record (from z39.50) in which it is already visible then, ok, I have it |
| 15:06 |
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luca_ |
I already tried modifying bib-famework, but didn't find the "visible" field |
| 15:07 |
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jcamins |
luca_: http://manual.koha-community.o[…]tml#editsubfields |
| 15:20 |
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luca_ |
OK, thank you!!! |
| 15:21 |
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luca_ |
We had not seen the "Advanced constaints" TAB |
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luca_ |
Thank you very much! |
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mtompset |
Greetings, #koha. |
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reiveune |
bye |
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mtompset |
Anyone familiar with forcing koha to do SSL? |
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mtompset |
Greetings, druthb cait. :) |
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* cait |
waves |
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druthb |
Hi, mtompset. :) |
| 16:53 |
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mtompset |
Have either of you ever forced Koha to do SSL? |
| 16:53 |
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druthb |
it's not hard at all, once you have a certificate installed. |
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druthb |
(tjat |
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druthb |
(that's the tetchy part) |
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druthb |
There's nothing about Koha per se that is SSL or non-SSL, mtompset. You just serve the OPAC or staff client over SSL ports, or not, that's all. |
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mtompset |
sudo openssl req -newkey rsa:2048 -new -x509 -days 3652 -nodes -out kohassl.crt -keyout kohassl.pem |
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mtompset |
right? |
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druthb |
That's the first part. you need to make a certificate signing request, and go get your SSL key from whomever, and install it, after that. |
| 16:57 |
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mtompset |
Can't I run with this in my test system if I accept the evilness? |
| 16:57 |
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cait |
mtompset: we run all our installation under https - opac and staff |
| 16:58 |
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druthb |
you can do a self-signed cert for your test install, but it will annoy people to do it in production. |
| 16:58 |
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druthb |
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=apache+ssl+debian |
| 16:58 |
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cait |
yeah, lots of evil looking warning messages without a proper cert |
| 16:59 |
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druthb |
The first five hits are all good stuff...some do dummy-certs, some do commercial certs. |
| 17:10 |
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* mtompset |
grumbles about apache. |
| 17:10 |
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mtompset |
Can't get it to work. |
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tcohen |
#koha, question: i have librarians that say Koha doesn't show some map-specific data on XSLT detail pages |
| 17:18 |
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cait |
that is possible i think |
| 17:18 |
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tcohen |
this kind of request should be trated as a general bug or is it something to fix indoors? |
| 17:18 |
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cait |
hmi woud like to see it added |
| 17:18 |
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jcamins |
General bug. |
| 17:18 |
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wahanui |
general bug is probably here, but didn't get much attention : http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7525 |
| 17:18 |
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huginn |
Bug 7525: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , some database fields are displayed 'as is' when they are linked to autorised values |
| 17:18 |
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cait |
:) |
| 17:18 |
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tcohen |
thanks cait, jcamins |
| 17:18 |
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cait |
a lot of libraries can't do this kind of enh - and then deleting is easier then adding :) |
| 17:19 |
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cait |
i mean i'd like the default to be quite complete :) |
| 17:19 |
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tcohen |
ok, that'd be a good general rule |
| 17:23 |
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tcohen |
hmm, besides the UTF stuff, we could make columns.def translatable |
| 17:23 |
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tcohen |
(during hackfest) |
| 17:24 |
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cait |
that would be nice :) |
| 17:24 |
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cait |
i have some list too :) |
| 17:24 |
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tcohen |
adding to the wiki pagfe |
| 17:24 |
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tcohen |
there's a revolution at UNC because of KohaCon14 |
| 17:24 |
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cait |
oh? :) |
| 17:24 |
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tcohen |
librarians are creating a KohaCon task force |
| 17:24 |
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tcohen |
heh |
| 17:24 |
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cait |
:) |
| 17:25 |
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cait |
and sending a spy to kohacon13? ;) |
| 17:25 |
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tcohen |
exactly |
| 17:25 |
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tcohen |
hidden behind his IT profile |
| 17:26 |
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cait |
:) |
| 17:26 |
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cait |
i am glad the librarians are so excited about it :) |
| 17:33 |
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druthb |
oh! congratulations, tcohen, on Cordoba's selection for next year! :) |
| 17:36 |
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cait |
isn#t it great? :) |
| 17:39 |
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druthb |
is! |
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tcohen |
:D |
| 17:42 |
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mtompset |
Woo hoo! I kicked it into SSL. |
| 17:42 |
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mtompset |
Got the default SSL working. |
| 17:42 |
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mtompset |
Then modified the working koha instance file and ports.conf accordingly. |
| 17:44 |
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mtompset |
Now the question is... is that the best way to handle koha? |
| 17:45 |
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jcamins |
As opposed to? |
| 17:47 |
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druthb |
Any time *any* personal information is being passed around the 'net, SSL is better than not-SSL...I think that's a pretty blanket-able statement. |
| 17:48 |
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mtompset |
putting up a proxy in front of it. |
| 17:49 |
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mtompset |
and having the proxy map HTTPS to HTTP behind the scenes. |
| 17:49 |
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tcohen |
there's a desing problem with HTTPS |
| 17:49 |
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jcamins |
Given that you're using Apache + CGI no matter what, and otherwise have no reason to use a proxy, I can't really think of a reason to add that much complexity. |
| 17:50 |
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tcohen |
the SSL conection is set 'before' the GET is sent |
| 17:50 |
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mtompset |
how is that a design problem, tcohen? |
| 17:50 |
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tcohen |
and browsers complain about the SSL certificate CN not matching the URL |
| 17:51 |
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tcohen |
its a design problem in name-based virtual hosts |
| 17:51 |
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jcamins |
tcohen: that's why you should have one IP per hsot. |
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jcamins |
*host |
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tcohen |
if you host only one URL in the server... |
| 17:52 |
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jcamins |
Per virtual host. |
| 17:52 |
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jcamins |
You can have as many IPs as you want on a single server. |
| 17:52 |
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tcohen |
agreed, that's IP based virtual hosts |
| 17:52 |
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jcamins |
At least, you're unlikely to run out. I'm not sure if there's an actual limit. |
| 17:52 |
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mtompset |
oh, so like library and library-admin for some domain.org not matching the certificate for domain.org? |
| 17:53 |
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jcamins |
mtompset: for that you'd probably just buy a wildcard certificate. |
| 17:56 |
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jcamins |
mtompset: you might want to consider reading a good introduction to HTTP. I'm sure O'Reilly has one. |
| 18:03 |
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mtompset |
A signoff and HTTPS... I guess it hasn't been too unproductive today. :) |
| 18:08 |
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tcohen |
bye #koha |
| 18:08 |
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tcohen |
thanks all of u for your support |
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drojf |
good evening #koha |
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cait |
hi drojf |
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drojf |
hi cait :) |
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mtompset |
Greetings, drojf. |
| 18:43 |
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rangi |
drojf: its not the cc, the mailing lists dont like too many recipients, it looks like spam to them and it gets held for me to moderate |
| 18:43 |
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cait |
morning rangi |
| 18:44 |
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mtompset |
Greetings, rangi. :) |
| 18:44 |
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mtompset |
Is that TO or CC or a combination of recipients? |
| 18:44 |
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rangi |
combination |
| 18:44 |
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mtompset |
I had that happen once to me. |
| 18:45 |
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drojf |
rangi: yes i found an email telling me that. i sent another one only to the main list. the dev list automatically threw away two of the ccs i think |
| 18:46 |
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rangi |
there will probably be a few to the main list now, cos ive just let them ones being held through |
| 18:51 |
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oleonard |
Sometimes you have to send a few follow-ups to push the first one through the pipe |
| 18:53 |
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cait |
wise :) |
| 19:01 |
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rangi |
http://lanyrd.com/2013/kduk13/scpqfr/ |
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cait |
hm, is the conf program somewhere? |
| 19:02 |
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rangi |
https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi[…]IS-OSS&F=&S=&P=52 |
| 19:03 |
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rangi |
http://lanyrd.com/2013/kduk13/ therer |
| 19:07 |
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rangi |
*cough* open source *cough* |
| 19:07 |
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cait |
i know |
| 19:08 |
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rangi |
ah well |
| 19:08 |
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rangi |
karma |
| 19:08 |
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oleonard |
I don't get it |
| 19:09 |
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rangi |
why they call it open source? |
| 19:09 |
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cait |
on the website they call it community source |
| 19:09 |
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cait |
i think |
| 19:10 |
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oleonard |
I'm not familiar with Kuali |
| 19:10 |
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cait |
but others don't |
| 19:10 |
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cait |
oleonard: it's a group funded Ils |
| 19:10 |
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cait |
programmed by one single company |
| 19:10 |
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jcamins |
And invite people to apply to work on the system at some point in the future. |
| 19:10 |
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rangi |
with a few million dollars in funding |
| 19:10 |
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cait |
from specifications the libraries agree too |
| 19:10 |
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cait |
yes, lots of funding from mellon foundation |
| 19:11 |
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rangi |
the code may be open one day, but its not now, and its certainly not openly developed |
| 19:13 |
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rangi |
right school time |
| 19:13 |
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rangi |
bbiab |
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oleonard |
Oh look, IRC regulars, your information is out of date: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars Maybe. Some of you. |
| 19:45 |
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cait |
:) |
| 19:45 |
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* cait |
it totally up to date |
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magnuse |
@later tell rangi: did you have any more contact with the catmandu people, about attending kohacon? |
| 20:05 |
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huginn |
magnuse: The operation succeeded. |
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rangi |
magnuse: none at all |
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rangi |
back btw |
| 20:05 |
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magnuse |
ah, too bad... |
| 20:05 |
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magnuse |
maybe next year? :-) |
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bag |
rangi you fly tomorrow right? magnuse in two days :) just kidding - but it's fun to screw up international timezones and dates :P |
| 20:08 |
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* magnuse |
is not flying anywhere... |
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bag |
oh no kohacon for you? |
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bag |
sorry man I thought you'd be coming… but I'll see you in France again? |
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* cait |
waves at bag |
| 20:10 |
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magnuse |
bag: definitely no reno for me. hopefully marseille in the not too distant future! and kohacon in norway in 2018, perhaps? :-) |
| 20:11 |
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cait |
magnuse: let's fight over it :P |
| 20:11 |
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magnuse |
cait: you want to host kohacon in 2018 too? |
| 20:11 |
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oleonard |
Yes, by offering escalating levels of free sweets to attendees! |
| 20:11 |
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cait |
hehe |
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cait |
magnuse: sometime i want to... not sure when and how |
| 20:12 |
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magnuse |
cait: 2016 perhaps? |
| 20:12 |
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bag |
is the voting over for next year? |
| 20:12 |
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magnuse |
yup |
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magnuse |
argentina won |
| 20:12 |
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bag |
checks mail |
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bag |
and sees the vote :) |
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bag |
heh |
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cait |
magnuse: we will see :) |
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cait |
argentina! |
| 20:13 |
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wahanui |
i think argentina is in for kohacon13 |
| 20:13 |
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cait |
wahanui kohacon14 is in Argentina! |
| 20:13 |
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wahanui |
...but kohacon14 is submissions due by 15 September, voting to commence first week of October... |
| 20:13 |
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cait |
forget kohacon14 |
| 20:13 |
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wahanui |
cait: I forgot kohacon14 |
| 20:13 |
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cait |
kohacon14 is in Argentina! |
| 20:13 |
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cait |
kohacon14? |
| 20:13 |
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wahanui |
i guess kohacon14 is in Argentina! |
| 20:14 |
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magnuse |
hey, we should all meet at http://swib.org/swib13/programme.php |
| 20:14 |
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cait |
ah hamburg, hamburg is nice |
| 20:15 |
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magnuse |
yay! |
| 20:19 |
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drojf |
magnuse: you're going? |
| 20:20 |
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cait |
please stop torturing him. |
| 20:21 |
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cait |
tsk. |
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drojf |
huh? |
| 20:22 |
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rangi |
i think he meant to swibl |
| 20:22 |
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cait |
oh |
| 20:22 |
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drojf |
yes |
| 20:22 |
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* cait |
goes to hide somewhere |
| 20:22 |
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magnuse |
drojf: i really, really want to go to swib, but i have forgotten about it for a while |
| 20:22 |
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drojf |
because i asked him a while ago and he said no. i wondered if that changed now :) |
| 20:23 |
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magnuse |
mostly, i was just thinking of a way to meet cool koha people in europe ;-) |
| 20:23 |
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magnuse |
i'll have to think about ut |
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magnuse |
s/ut/it/ |
| 20:23 |
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drojf |
magnuse: oh that reminds me, can you recommend a book about semantic web? i wonder if i can use that for my thesis on lexicography |
| 20:23 |
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magnuse |
but i really, really think anyine interested in libraries and it should go there |
| 20:25 |
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magnuse |
drojf: "semantic web for the working ontologist" if you want to learn about modeling, "learning sparql" by DuCharme for the obvious reason and "programming the semantic web" by segaran, evans & taylor for the really practical programming stuff |
| 20:26 |
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drojf |
cool, i see if we got those here. thanks! |
| 20:26 |
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drojf |
magnuse++ |
| 20:26 |
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magnuse |
oh well, gotta run |
| 20:26 |
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cait |
good night magnuse :) |
| 20:26 |
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drojf |
i'd consider going to SWIB but i have to hand in said thesis shortly after |
| 20:26 |
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magnuse |
well, those are the only semweb books i have read, apart from "practical rdf" whixh is way out of date |
| 20:27 |
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drojf |
and i think i will be quite insane by then :D |
| 20:27 |
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magnuse |
have fun! |
| 20:27 |
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drojf |
good night magnuse |
| 20:29 |
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oleonard |
Bye #koha |
| 20:30 |
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cait |
drojf: aren't you already? :) |
| 20:31 |
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drojf |
aaaaw, don't tell anyone |
| 20:31 |
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cait |
ok, I won't |
| 20:31 |
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cait |
it's not like this channel was logged |
| 20:31 |
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cait |
or anything |
| 20:31 |
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wahanui |
rumour has it anything is possible with enough development work :) |
| 20:33 |
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ebegin |
Hey ! How do we submit changes to KOCT ? |
| 20:36 |
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rangi |
ebegin: http://git.koha-community.org/[…]bal.git;a=summary |
| 20:36 |
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rangi |
send a patch based against that |
| 20:36 |
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rangi |
to jonathan probably |
| 20:51 |
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cait |
ebegin: did you figure it out? |
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cait |
drojf: wifi hating you again? |
| 20:56 |
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drojf |
how do you know? :D |
| 20:57 |
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cait |
lucky guess |
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ebegin |
cait, not yet, I was busy at something else |
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eythian |
hi |
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bag |
hey eythian |
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wahanui |
go back to bed, eythian |
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cait |
wahanui botsnack cookie |
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wahanui |
thanks cait :) |
| 21:28 |
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cait |
bag did you see our arrivals page on the wiki? |
| 21:28 |
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cait |
arrivals? |
| 21:28 |
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cait |
hmm |
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bag |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ohacon13/Arrivals |
| 21:29 |
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bag |
yes yes I did |
| 21:29 |
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cait |
yeah that one :) |
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cait |
and the hackfest14? |
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bag |
I was just telling pianohacker that he is flying with petter |
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cait |
hm hackfest13? |
| 21:29 |
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wahanui |
hackfest13 is, like, http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ohacon13/Hackfest |
| 21:29 |
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cait |
ah |
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cait |
typoed :) |
| 21:30 |
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bag |
rangi: you should send pianohacker you're koha blobbie shirt so he can wear that and petter can look for that shirt :) |
| 21:30 |
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bag |
s/you're/your |
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bag |
:P |
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rangi |
heh |
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jcamins |
BTW, if anyone wants proof that caching is about scaling just as much as speed, I just ran a whole bunch of searches load balanced across three VMs. |
| 21:39 |
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jcamins |
When it started out, CPU usage was just under 400%, and some of the searches timed out. |
| 21:39 |
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jcamins |
Once the cache warmed up, CPU usage dropped down to just above 100%. |
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rangi |
*nod* |
| 21:41 |
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eythian |
Oh yes, when I was working on stuff.co.nz, having an empty local cache caused a page load to take minutes. After that it was a second. |
| 21:41 |
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eythian |
(local cache == in my dev environment) |
| 21:42 |
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jcamins |
Once it started hitting the cache more often than not, it also got faster, but as long as my searches are reasonably fast, that's fairly unimportant next to the difference between being able to serve 100 users and being able to serve 400 users. |
| 21:43 |
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jcamins |
Also, HAProxy is really cool. |
| 21:43 |
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eythian |
or the stuff cluster's being able to serve 10 people vs. a million :) |
| 21:43 |
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jcamins |
eythian: right, but hopefully you're not using MacBook Airs to serve stuff. |
| 21:44 |
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eythian |
jcamins: no, but it's still not running on a lot of hardware. |
| 21:44 |
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jcamins |
Where stuff = stuff.co.nz not just random stuff. |
| 21:44 |
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eythian |
yeah |
| 21:44 |
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eythian |
handful of webservers. |
| 21:44 |
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eythian |
very high read load for very small write load helps too |
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rangi |
they best sort this crap out by kohacon |
| 21:49 |
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rangi |
http://www.theatlantic.com/nat[…]rn-shrimp/280327/ |
| 21:50 |
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jcamins |
rangi: yeah... don't see that happening. |
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cait |
rangi: because you wan to eat tons of shrimp? |
| 21:51 |
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rangi |
heh, unfortunately its not just shrimp |
| 21:51 |
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rangi |
The furlough means more than 90% of the foreign seafood Americans eat is coming through unchecked, as well as half the fruit and one-fifth of the vegetables. |
| 21:52 |
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eythian |
rangi: on the other hand, I'm sure customs won't be checking and you can just bring your own food :) |
| 21:52 |
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rangi |
hehe |
| 21:52 |
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jcamins |
Our government is dead set on setting new records on stupidity, and there aren't a lot left to break. |
| 21:53 |
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cait |
if that somehow makes me not make it to reno - i will be majorly grumpy |
| 21:54 |
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rangi |
on the plus side, reno is far from any ocean |
| 21:54 |
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rangi |
so i wasnt planning on eating sea food anyway |
| 21:55 |
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rangi |
ill just eat masses of incredibly fried stuff |
| 21:55 |
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cait |
lol |
| 21:55 |
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* cait |
likes that idea |
| 21:55 |
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cait |
although i shouldn't |
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rangi |
all steak, all the time |
| 21:57 |
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rangi |
and fries |
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rangi |
and cinamon rolls |
| 21:57 |
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rangi |
i better buy 2 seats for the return flight |
| 21:58 |
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rangi |
and of course, can only drink beer, as that water has been boiled, so its safe |
| 21:58 |
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rangi |
:) |
| 21:59 |
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cait |
lol |
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cait |
and desinfected because of the alcohol? |
| 21:59 |
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rangi |
exactly |
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eythian |
cait won't be safe then. |
| 22:00 |
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* rangi |
actually followed that rule in quite a bit of rural china |
| 22:00 |
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cait |
nope not at all |
| 22:00 |
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eythian |
She'll be drinking the water. |
| 22:00 |
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cait |
I am worried |
| 22:00 |
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rangi |
the beer rule, not the steak one |
| 22:00 |
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cait |
(nothing new there) |
| 22:00 |
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eythian |
heh |
| 22:00 |
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bag |
and hops to preserve the beer :) |
| 22:00 |
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cait |
but beer is yuck. |
| 22:01 |
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rangi |
thats crazy talk |
| 22:01 |
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rangi |
go stand in the corner |
| 22:01 |
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cait |
and coming from a german |
| 22:01 |
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cait |
nope |
| 22:02 |
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bag |
OMGinny cait! yes yes go stand in the corner :P |
| 22:03 |
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cait |
I guess i will have to make new friends at kohacon,.. |
| 22:03 |
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rangi |
hehe |
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jcamins |
cait: wine has a high enough alcohol level that you should be fine with that. |
| 22:04 |
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cait |
you are not helping jared |
| 22:05 |
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rangi |
coffee then |
| 22:05 |
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jcamins |
cait: same for hard liquor, of course. :P |
| 22:05 |
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rangi |
heh |
| 22:05 |
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rangi |
speaking of which, brb |
| 22:05 |
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cait |
jcamins: and what will you drink? |
| 22:06 |
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jcamins |
cait: water. |
| 22:06 |
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eythian |
rangi is going for hard liquor. |
| 22:06 |
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cait |
hah! |
| 22:06 |
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cait |
well, guess there are at least 4 corners in the room ;) |
| 22:07 |
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cait |
why will brasero just blink in the menu and then go away? |
| 22:07 |
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* cait |
is trying to burn an iso image here... |
| 22:08 |
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cait |
hm guess i figured it out |
| 22:09 |
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eythian |
I haven't burnt a CD in a long time now. |
| 22:09 |
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cait |
it seemed easiest |
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cait |
not so sure now |
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dcook |
Argentina \o/ |
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* dcook |
just hopes Kohacon14 isn't in Sept/Oct |
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mtompset |
Greetings, dcook papa. |
| 23:49 |
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mtompset |
Why not, dcook? Why would you want Kohacon14 is some other month than September or October? |
| 23:49 |
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* dcook |
is hoping to be travelling in Greece in Sept/Oct :p |
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papa |
hey, hi there! |
