IRC log for #koha, 2013-10-03

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00:01 mtompset Hmm... I know I'm late to the conversation, but shouldn't the bot be named Adams? (Patch Adams, get it?)
00:10 rangi wooosh
00:10 rangi thats the sound of that reply to my email missing my point entirely
00:19 dcook Which list?
00:20 cait1 main :)
00:20 dcook Ah...
00:20 dcook Yeah...
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00:51 rangi *sigh* i hope no one thinks that i actually think MARC is good
00:51 rangi deleting that message so i cant respond
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01:12 jcamins Is anyone aware of a modern web browser that uses less RAM than Chrome or Firefox?
01:13 eythian epiphany? or whatever they call the gnome webbrowser these days.
01:15 mtompset oh... shoot, there was one I was using a while back...
01:15 mtompset oh wait.. you aren't talking windows. :P
01:15 mtj opera might be a good choice, too
01:15 mtj it was lean, last time i checked
01:15 jcamins Isn't Opera just Chrome with an MDI interface these days?
01:16 mtj heh, yeah possibly
01:16 mtj they switched to webkit recently, i heard
01:16 eythian webkit != chrome != chromium
01:17 eythian there is a difference between the engine and the browser.
01:17 jcamins So, maybe lower RAM use.
01:17 jcamins I'll download it and try it.
01:18 jcamins Oh, I already have it.
01:18 mtj fwiw, im a fan of opera - and have been using it as my go-to browser for years
01:19 mtj i cant wean myself off its handy shortcut keys!
01:19 rangi vimperator
01:19 rangi if you want short cuts :)
01:20 rangi
01:20 eythian or pentadactyl, which is just a fork of vimperator, but apparently more developed.
01:20 eythian also has a cooler name, imho.
01:20 mtj lol, i'm not sure i want *vim* shortcuts for my browser :p
01:20 jcamins Woohoo! <300MB.
01:21 eythian why? Then there's less mental shift between work and browser.
01:21 cjh iirc most of the lead vimperator devs now work on pentadactyl.
01:21 mtj tho, i guess you can set your shortcuts to anything, with vimperator?
01:21 cjh and yes, much cooler name xD
01:21 rangi mtj: yup
01:21 mtj anyhoo, thanks ill def. take a look
01:22 mtj all i want are one-finger shortcuts for tab-left / tab-right :)
01:23 eythian you could definitely make those
01:24 mtj awesome
01:24 mtompset Hmmm... would all the pieces of C4::Context, if it were hypothetically split up (like in 7176), make it into the Koha name space?
01:24 mtj the last release of opera actually removed those shortcuts, after having them for years :/
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02:16 wizzyrea vimperator sounds like a russian wimp destroyer.
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02:48 mtompset greetings, #koha.
02:48 mtompset I'm playing with palemoon.
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02:52 wizzyrea ie--
02:58 jcamins I don't think I like opera.
02:58 mtompset Why, wizzyrea?
02:58 mtompset Neither do I, jcamins.
02:58 wizzyrea because it's silly
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02:59 mtompset Test. :)
02:59 mtompset okay... palemoon chatzilla plug in configured. :)
03:00 wizzyrea Real Time Availability Checking (RTAC) - is there a z39.50 or REST service ? Koha can do this? If you tell me then I'll know :)
03:01 wizzyrea we have z39.50 but is it real time?
03:01 wizzyrea for availability/
03:01 wizzyrea ?
03:01 rangi yes
03:01 rangi realish
03:01 wizzyrea ~10 mins ya?
03:01 rangi however using the ils-di for it is better
03:01 wizzyrea noted
03:02 rangi or the other stuff in svc
03:02 rangi i dont think we hand out item details on the public z3950 server
03:02 jcamins We do not.
03:03 jcamins (item details over Z39.50)
03:03 jcamins Just onloan/not onloan.
03:03 jcamins Same as Zebra.
03:03 rangi yeah
03:03 wizzyrea right cool.
03:04 jcamins But ILS-DI/svc stuff should do what you need, I think.
03:04 rangi yep it has a GetAvailability
03:04 rangi thingy
03:05 mtompset Hmmm... when I edit a title on a biblio, shouldn't that trigger a reindex for zebra?
03:06 mtompset And wouldn't that mean I should see a zebraqueue record added?
03:15 mtompset Hmmm...
03:33 mtompset Why if I change the 245$a subfield is my new title not searchable?
03:34 wizzyrea because it takes 10 minutes to index?
03:34 mtompset 5... and it is reindexed.
03:34 bag cause the indexer isn't running?
03:34 bag hmm.. bummer
03:34 mtompset I watched the zebraqueue table go from not done to done.
03:35 wizzyrea for the biblionumber you edited?
03:35 mtompset yes.
03:35 wizzyrea dunno, wfm
03:35 bag space issue?
03:35 mtompset 8% disk space used.
03:36 bag hahaha
03:36 mtompset 780MB free.
03:36 bag nope
03:36 mtompset nothing in the zebra error logs either.
03:37 bag dom or grs1?
03:37 mtompset I think default dom with MARC21.
03:38 bag try one more time :)
03:39 mtompset Just did a search again.
03:39 mtompset I changed the title to "Bogus Title"
03:39 mtompset I searched for "Bogus Title" without quotes.
03:39 mtompset no results.
03:40 mtompset I searched for Bogus and got results, but nothing that is the biblio I changed.
03:42 mtompset Any other ideas, bag?
03:43 bag you don't happen to have it suppressed do you?
03:43 bag 942$n
03:48 mtompset Nope.
03:48 mtompset Nothing strange about the record. Just a plain, ordinary record trying to make its way in the world. ;)
03:48 bag how many records?  you could try a full reindex see if that catches it?
03:49 wizzyrea how big is the dataset? is a full reindex impossible?
03:49 wizzyrea what is this I'm listening to. good heavens.
03:50 * wizzyrea was getting down to something called "happystep" and clearly now I have wandered into dubstep land, which is not always bad but whatever this is... yea, naw.
03:51 mtompset A full reindex is NOT possible at this time.
03:51 mtompset I may try that later.
03:51 eythian <-- wizzyrea, try this.
03:51 mtompset However, if the indexing pain I experienced on the QA system with 512MB is any reflection of the Live with 1GB, I rather not.
03:52 wizzyrea haha yea
03:52 wizzyrea how many records?
03:53 mtompset about 45K.
03:53 mtompset Not huge.
03:54 wizzyrea that'd take ~20mins I'd guess
03:54 mtompset That is a weird video, eythian.
03:55 mtompset Strangely not.
03:55 mtompset And it could barf around 24K.
03:55 mtompset I blame our VM environment for that.
03:55 wizzyrea ew.
03:55 mtompset Thank you for triggering that other idea...
03:56 mtompset I want to test a full reindex on MY vm.
03:56 jcamins mtompset: you have 780MB disk space free?
03:56 jcamins And only 8% used?
03:56 mtompset No. 780MB of RAM.
03:56 eythian <-- try this then, mtompset
03:56 mtompset 8% free diskspace.
03:56 jcamins Ah.
03:56 jcamins 8% *free*?
03:56 mtompset No... used...
03:56 jcamins Okay.
03:57 mtompset sorry, confused in switching windows.
03:57 jcamins Okay.
03:57 jcamins Odd that it doesn't work.
03:57 wizzyrea what version?
03:57 wahanui somebody said version was always noted in a comment on top
03:58 mtompset master plus some custom patches.
03:58 wizzyrea what do the custom patches do?
03:58 mtompset login.
03:59 dcook dbs: Quick question for you. What inspired the idea to add RDFa to the detail pages? Was there a call for it or more so just a neat thing to do?
03:59 mtompset plus some of the patches that haven't match it through sign off/qa yet.
04:00 mtompset 10589, 10895, 10900? I think that's them.
04:00 mtompset And the beta 6874.
04:03 mtompset jcamins: Speaking of hiding related patches... my colleagues have confirmed that if life/death were ever issues, they would not add the library. the libraries being added are a matter of embarrasment and potential visa loss.
04:04 mtompset okay... full reindex on 2GB local VM no issues.
04:04 mtompset I really do think it is our VM environment. I'll downgrade my memory size.
04:19 mtompset And that worked in my VM.
04:19 mtompset okay... shrinking to 512 and trying again.
04:22 mtompset Does anyone know how to turn off swap?
04:23 mtompset Okay... now to try with 512MB and no swap. :)
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04:24 * Oak waves
04:25 mtompset Greetings, Oak.
04:25 Oak Ahoy mtompset
04:29 mtompset eythian: So, you are really into Ylvis now?
04:29 eythian no, it was just relevant
04:30 mtompset Actually, I watched a couple other videos... and wondered, "Why does he mention blue eyes in these two songs?"
04:31 mtompset (What does the fox say? and Jan Egland? (sp err?))
04:32 mtompset vserver-- # yes, you really suck you ancient piece of virtualization technology.
04:33 mtompset Similar sized data set (maybe a couple months off) worked fine in my VirtualBox VM with 512MB and no swap.
04:33 eythian vserver eh. It's been a long while since I heard of that.
04:34 mtompset We are moving off the provider that uses that shortly.
04:34 eythian I think I once evaluated it against openvz, but picked openvz instead. It seemed newer and fancier.
04:34 mtompset I'll be very happy when we do.
05:08 mtompset *sigh*
05:16 mtompset vserver-- # you are the source of all my indexing headaches. Die, terrible virtualization technology, die!
05:36 dbs dcook: belated answer: main rationale was that I thought was crazy that there was no consistent way of exposing record metadata and holdings across various cataloges
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05:37 dbs And at a time when I am normally awake, I would actually spell each word in that entence, and follow grammatical rules. (sheesh)
05:38 dbs sentence! :)
05:38 dcook dbs: Makes sense, but in what case would a person be interested in getting that metadata?
05:38 dcook hehe
05:38 dcook It's a bit late there, eh?
05:39 mtompset metadata is data... down with the distinction. ;)
05:41 dcook ..
05:48 dbs dcook: disintermediating OCLC, for example. simple web crawler to aggregate collections of interest rather than a byzantine record submission process
05:51 dcook dbs: Admittedly, that's what excited me. I wrote a crawler a few months ago and I would've loved RDFa for digesting the contents of the pages
05:52 dcook But in the case of Koha, I think OAI-PMH would probably make more sense than crawling
05:52 dcook Crawling would actually be quite laborious still
05:53 dcook Not that I'm critiquing it. I'm just relaying questions and being curious :)
05:55 dbs dcook: no worries. OAI-PMH is pretty library/archive-centric. sitemap + RDFa is something that general crawlers can dig
05:55 dcook Mmm, good point
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05:55 * dbs heads to bed on that :)
05:55 dcook hehe
05:55 dcook I was going to ask if Koha had a sitemap generator, but I won't keep you up ;)
05:56 dcook Thanks for answering my questions :)
05:56 dcook dbs++
06:02 mtompset I think that is a good idea... it being after 2am here.
06:02 mtompset Have a great day, #koha.
06:07 dcook Hehe. I love this: "gmcharlt: which probably means that library schools ought to rename Cataloging 101 to Identification and Avoidance of Rabbit Holes 101"
06:35 * dcook wishes that he had set a timer for this package install of Koha...
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06:37 reiveune hello
06:38 * dcook waves
06:41 * magnuse waves
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06:43 * magnuse thinks eythian is welcome to stay, if he would like to
06:43 marcelr hi #Koha
06:43 magnuse hiya marcelr
06:43 marcelr hi magnuse
06:43 magnuse dcook: no sitemap generator that i am aware of, but having one would be cool!
06:48 dcook hey marcelr
06:48 marcelr hi dcook
06:48 dcook magnuse: Agreed. I suppose it wouldn't be too hard if we were just pointing to bib records
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06:51 alex_a bonjour
06:51 wahanui privet, alex_a
06:51 magnuse dcook: that sounds like it should not be too hard, and there are probably perl modules for doing the heavy lifting
06:53 dcook gitify?
06:53 wahanui i heard gitify was at
06:53 dcook magnuse: You're probably right.
06:59 dcook Huh...
06:59 dcook I thought I cancelled out of the updatedatabase by accident...but it seems that it might've run anyway..
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07:08 gaetan_B hello
07:08 wahanui que tal, gaetan_B
07:08 dcook hmm ran koha-upgrade-schema just in case..
07:36 magnuse yay for Bug 10986
07:36 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10986 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, philippe.blouin, Needs Signoff , Limit the list of languages in advanced search through system preferences
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08:12 marcelr @later tell oleonard could you have a look at the design for forcenotesreason in the new opac-reserves form? see also bug 9743
08:12 huginn marcelr: The operation succeeded.
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08:37 samueld hi everybody
08:37 magnuse hiya samueld
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09:09 cait hi #koha
09:10 magnuse kia ora cait
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09:35 magnuse kia ora JDatTeTakere!
09:40 cait hi JDatTeTakere
09:41 cait you are here at odd times :)
09:41 marcelr hi cait
09:41 cait hi marcelr
09:41 cait some more hours still until the deadline ... :)
09:41 marcelr ;)
09:44 cait well for new and enh that is
09:44 * cait tests bug 9044
09:44 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9044 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , Allow to select items on catalogue/ and trigger actions
09:48 cait hm can someone help me to find my version of yaz?
09:48 cait Colin asked at bug 10729
09:48 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10729 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Failed QA , Support phrases-icu.xml in install and upgrade
09:58 magnuse cait: you can do "yaz-client", then "zversion" - that gives you... something. but i'm not sure if every yaz-* tool has it's own version or if the version you get then is the "yaz version"
10:02 cait i will try that - thank you
10:08 cait @wunder Konstanz
10:08 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 8.0°C (12:00 PM CEST on October 03, 2013). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1022 hPa (Rising).
10:09 cait hm not the ideal weather for a holiday
10:09 magnuse @wunder boo
10:09 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 13.0°C (11:50 AM CEST on October 03, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady).
10:09 magnuse cait: ideal for housework and qa? :-)
10:09 cait heh
10:09 cait yeah maybe, but i had intended to go outside too
10:09 cait and for a nice walk some sun would be good :)
10:09 magnuse sounds like a good plan!
10:21 * marcelr looks for someone willing to test bug 9788; the last two patches need a signoff still
10:21 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9788 minor, P5 - low, ---,, Needs Signoff , Improvements for calling GetReservesFromItemnumber
10:22 cait Joubu: around?
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10:32 kivilahtio Hi Koha! The "Manual invoice" types are hard coded?
10:33 cait authorised values
10:33 kivilahtio or part of them, wow
10:33 cait yes, a part of them are, those are set by the system with the specific codes, but you can also set your own
10:33 kivilahtio cait: In authorized values MANUAL_INV, there is but one entry, but when adding a manual invoice, I get meny to choose from
10:33 kivilahtio cait: Is there a bug to move them all to authorized values?
10:33 cait no.
10:34 kivilahtio cait: Well shouldn't they be moved? It is rather distracting
10:34 cait the manual invoices listed there are used by Koha itself
10:34 kivilahtio cait: Not critical, but nice to not have
10:34 cait with specific codes
10:34 cait that's why they are there, you can also set them manually
10:34 kivilahtio ok, they are distinguished using the $notify_id
10:34 cait you can ignore the notify_id
10:34 cait it's not used
10:35 cait to my knowledge that belongs to older code
10:35 cait the pull down has the types koha already knows, and you can add to them using manual_inv
10:35 cait i think it's ok that way, it also means that the basic codes are translatable
10:36 kivilahtio cait: Ok. So If I want to migrate our old "Due date notification message fine"s to Koha, should I use a system generated value, or invent my own?
10:36 kivilahtio I mean do these system generated manual invoices generate somekind of messagees or emails?
10:36 cait I would create my own i think - are those overdues?
10:36 cait kivilahtio: they don't
10:36 kivilahtio I think overdues are generated in Koha when the item is returned, but these are reminder fees
10:37 cait hm not entirely true
10:37 cait the fine on return is a rather new feature for hourly loans, there is an overdues script that can be run nightly that calculates thefines on the accounts
10:37 kivilahtio cait: I mean we need to migrate the fee for sending a letter (snail mail) to our patrons for their overdue notices
10:37 cait hm koha can't charge postage fees currently
10:38 cait you'd have to include it into your overdue fee
10:38 kivilahtio cait: and some other misc fees. It is easy to add the postal feel charging.
10:38 kivilahtio cait: I can program it.
10:38 kivilahtio cait: We are going live in 6 months, I think I can pull that off :)
10:38 cait just be careful
10:38 cait if you change too much, it will be hard to upgrade later
10:38 cait many have run into this problem
10:38 cait and many more will i think
10:39 kivilahtio cait: well I was thinking of pushing that change to master?
10:39 kivilahtio cait: I am pretty sure many people would like to have that option
10:39 cait that's good :) but there is never a guarantee about the version it will make it in
10:39 cait we do it too, but we don#t change a lot
10:40 kivilahtio cait: well we need some general improvements to Koha, and I will create patches and bugs for thos per the Koha community developer instructions. Trying to make everything optional. I just hope they get included in the master
10:41 cait sounds good
10:41 kivilahtio cait: happy to hear that :)
10:41 cait just make sure you calculate in some time for working with the testers and qa - most patches take more time in the end than one thought in the beginning
10:41 cait because of rebases and taking comments into account and such
10:41 kivilahtio cait: I am pretty afraid of that
10:42 cait if the patches are well tested and well writen you won't have to
10:42 cait :)
10:42 kivilahtio cait: understood, so make extra high quality code and unit tests
10:43 cait that never hurts :)
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10:43 cait hi bgkriegel :)
10:44 bgkriegel hi cait :)
10:46 cait bgkriegel: could you take a look at one of the bugs that got a qa follow up maybe?
10:46 bgkriegel yes of course. Which one?
10:47 cait looking for it sec
10:47 cait it's the cron for deleting patrons
10:48 bgkriegel ok :)
10:48 cait marcelr: do you know if 5573 is fixed now? i thought it was
10:48 marcelr bug 5573
10:48 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5573 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , delete lists when patron deleted
10:48 cait bug 10419 i think
10:48 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10419 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , There is no cronjob script for deleting patrons
10:49 cait yep that's the one
10:49 cait i guess we have some duplicates to clean up later
10:49 marcelr that should be fixed
10:49 cait lots of similar bugs
10:49 cait marcelr: i thought so too - would you be ok with closing it?
10:49 marcelr yes
10:50 cait done
10:50 cait thx
10:51 cait guess it's time again to go through some of the old enhancements again before release
10:51 cait but not today :)
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11:08 cait hi nengard
11:08 nengard hi
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11:42 khall @later tell gmcharlt can you weigh in on bug 8352? Thanks!
11:42 huginn khall: The operation succeeded.
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12:39 oleonard Hi #koha
12:43 Oak hi oleonard
12:44 tcohen morning oleonard
12:53 cait hi oleonard
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13:03 Pablo Hi all!
13:03 wahanui yeah, yeah, hello, hello. Now fix some bugs for me, please.
13:04 jcamins wahanui: forget "Hi all!"
13:04 wahanui jcamins, I didn't have anything matching "hi all!"
13:04 jcamins wahanui: forget "Hi all"
13:04 wahanui jcamins, I didn't have anything matching "hi all"
13:04 jcamins Okay, not sure where that response came from, then.
13:04 jcamins Hello.
13:05 cait hi Pablo - that was only the our bot wahanui
13:06 Pablo I have a question about Galen Charlton suggest a solution to authority duplication. I made a change on the script that "should" solve the problem, I wonder why not...
13:06 Pablo (Ref: Galton email[…]-June/036561.html )
13:07 Pablo I add   system("/usr/bin/perl /usr/share/koha/bin/migrat​ion_tools/  -b -a -z");   just after while ( my ($biblionumber) = $sth->fetchrow_array() ) {
13:07 cait oh
13:07 cait I am not sure I can help with htat
13:07 cait you might want to try to catch jcamins or gmcharlt for that
13:07 Pablo around line 94. This is simply rebuild zebra before working with current record
13:08 jcamins Pablo: you could do that.
13:08 jcamins I'm not going to tell you it seems like a good idea, but you could certainly do it.
13:10 Pablo Hi Jared! So you say this should work, but it seems it doesnt :( The path are correct, but I run the script and create duplicated authorities records
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13:11 jcamins The first thing to confirm would be that they're *really* duplicate.
13:12 jcamins Also, as a reminder, link_bibs_to_authorities wasn't written to generate authorities, so the next thing I'm going to say, if they are duplicates, is "that's unfortunate, maybe you should see about writing/getting someone to write a script that generates authorities."
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13:15 jcamins Something that caches authids.
13:20 Pablo jcamins: I'm not picky, I think link_bibs_to_authorities works fine, the problem is just duplicated records... I'll try to find a workaround, perhaps something like what Galton suggest in that post
13:22 Pablo (I read myself... clearly, English isn't my native language)
13:22 * jcamins understood.
13:23 * cait think jcamins has quite a bit of practice figuring out us non-native speakers
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13:48 jcamins Pablo: there's a script ot deduplicate authorities that is waiting for sign off.
13:48 jcamins Pablo: bug 7419
13:48 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7419 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Add authority deduplication script
13:48 jcamins Use the last four patches.
13:49 jcamins (if you feel like signing off)
13:51 Pablo Wow! Thats a great news!
13:52 * jcamins thinks so too. :)
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14:25 cait gmcharlt: ping?
14:25 wahanui Using deft allegory, the authors have provided an insightful and intuitive explanation of one of Unix's most venerable networking utilities.[…]oks/dp/0448421658
14:26 gmcharlt cait: pong
14:31 cait oh hi there :)
14:31 cait working on some last minute qa here - how long? timezones hate me :)
14:32 gmcharlt let's call it 23:59 in my timzone; i.e., another 16.5 hours from now
14:33 gaetan_B3 bye !
14:33 cait wow
14:33 cait that's quite some time
14:33 * gmcharlt hands cait some nodoze
14:33 cait bye gaetan_B3 :)
14:34 * cait looks at it with a puzzled expression
14:34 cait bgkriegel++
14:35 cait gmcharlt: what is it?
14:36 gmcharlt cait: oh, a caffeine pill
14:36 cait aah
14:36 cait i am already doping with chocolate cappuccino right now :)
14:58 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10927: remove disused C4::Utils module <[…]4c0f43e054b8940fd>
15:00 jenkins_koha Starting build #128 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:31 oleonard A new CC added to Bug 118? Exciting.
15:31 huginn Bug[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=118 normal, P2, ---, chris, CLOSED FIXED, searching
15:34 tcohen " ZOOM error 10004 "Connection lost" (addinfo: "unix:/var/run/koha/ffyh/bibliosocket") from diag-set 'ZOOM'"
15:36 jcamins tcohen: restart Zebra?
15:37 tcohen sigh
15:37 tcohen is not zebra
15:38 tcohen the dontmerge syspref triggers this...
15:39 jcamins Odd. I tried DontMerge before releasing 3.12 and it worked.
15:39 jcamins Well- worked as well as DontMerge has ever worked for me, which is not well at all.
15:40 tcohen uff, in production is working
15:44 tcohen i can't reproduce in production
15:44 tcohen it happens in my demo server only
15:52 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #128: SUCCESS in 51 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]master_maria/128/
15:52 jenkins_koha Jonathan Druart: Bug 10927: remove disused C4::Utils module
15:52 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10927 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , C4::Utils becomes useless
16:04 cait bug 10419 passed!
16:04 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10419 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , There is no cronjob script for deleting patrons
16:08 tcohen loc backup?
16:09 cait looking for the marc documentation?
16:09 tcohen yeap
16:09 cait and hi tcohen :)
16:09 tcohen hi cait
16:09 cait i think someon posted the link yesterday, but I am not sure where it was
16:09 tcohen exactly
16:10 jcamins loc backup is
16:11 tcohen thanks jcamins
16:13 cait can i interest someone in signing off on 10402?
16:14 cait i had failed it ... now i feel slightly guilty? :)
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16:27 reiveune bye
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16:51 cait khall++ # bug 9611
16:51 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9611 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Passed QA , Changing the password hashing algorithm from MD5 to more secure Bcrypt
16:52 cait that was a big one :)
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16:57 tcohen bug 10402
16:57 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10402 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Add multiple contacts for vendors
17:05 tcohen jcamins?
17:05 wahanui ask him about serials and/or acquisitions.
17:05 tcohen jcamins: what are serials?
17:05 wahanui serials are just awful all the time, and their MARC records reflected several decades worth of changing standards.
17:06 oleonard acquisitions?
17:06 wahanui i guess acquisitions is complicated because booksellers all make their own rules :)
17:10 wheat Need acq plugins--a plugin for each vendor, and only install the plugins needed
17:11 oleonard Words which can be safely spoken by a grain but not a fruit.
17:15 rambutan hey, that was pretty good.
17:16 oleonard cait++ # QA machine
17:17 ebegin khall, any plan for working on Bug 5620 soon ? We did part of it on our side, the only thing that is missing is the receipt number.
17:17 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5620 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, ASSIGNED , Capture Mode of payment
17:18 khall ebegin: I'm working on a an accounts rewrite that should take care of that
17:18 ebegin ok, when will it be available ?
17:19 ebegin I'll add my comment in the bug then
17:19 khall I'm still working on the module and unit tests. I'd like to get it posted asap, but it'll be a while still.
17:20 ebegin A quick comment : the way we did it was to use a PAYMODE authorised value to be more flexible
17:22 cait oleonard: to be honest the machine is making dinner right now - giving kyle some time to fix a warning :P
17:24 cait hm someone a hint what tool i can use to modify marc records exported from koha?
17:24 cait i need to remove the itemnumber for testing purposes - so i can't do it in Koha
17:24 nengard marcedit
17:24 wahanui marcedit is a tool for editing MARC records. It can also convert spreadsheets to MARC. See[…]it/html/index.php
17:24 cait and no windos... so no marcedit
17:24 nengard oh
17:24 oleonard D'oh!
17:24 cait no windows, else i would be using tht :)
17:25 ebegin khall, is there  a bz covering that rewrite ?
17:25 khall no, but there's an rfc on the wiki somewhere
17:26 ebegin ok, I'll look at it. Thanks
17:27 khall I think the rfc is a bit out of date at this point. I had to change the schema a bit. There was no way to have separate fines and fees tables. In retrospect it wasn't a great idea anyway. I simple flag in one table accomplishes the same thing
17:27 ebegin[…]ng_system_rewrite
17:29 khall actually, it looks like at had already ditched that idea when I wrote the rfc
17:30 ebegin oleonard, did you work on Bug 10937 so far ?
17:30 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10937 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Option to hide some itemtypes from advanced search
17:31 oleonard No, I would have set it to "assigned" if I was working on it. It is assigned to me by default because it is an OPAC bug.
17:31 ebegin khall, specifications and RFCs are written to be rewritten :)
17:31 khall too true : )
17:31 ebegin oleonard, oh, sorry, I saw that it was assigned to you without checking the status.
17:32 tcohen @later tell jcamins i went through a series of tests and belive the test plan is wrong, and the script is working :-D
17:32 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded.
17:35 cait ebegin: i think that was one from my wishlist - i hope to find time sometime for that, but it's quite unlikely to be soon at the moment and so i would not be sad if someone else did at all :)
17:36 cait ok, quiz question - who knows what holiday it is today in germany? :)
17:38 oleonard Not me!
17:39 ebegin cait, we are in the process of merging in the master
17:40 cait Tag der deutschen einheit
17:40 cait German Unification Day
17:41 cait :)
17:41 * oleonard cheers for a united Germany
17:41 cait :)
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17:51 cait1 *sigh*
17:51 cait1 computer decided to restart
17:51 cait1 of course without saving my notes first :(
17:51 cait1 *grump*
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17:59 jcamins @later tell tcohen Of course, I'm sorry. You are absolutely right, there's no need to choose a record when there's no choice.
17:59 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded.
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18:20 mmm45 hello
18:21 oleonard Hi mmm45
18:22 mmm45 my boss asked me to create a script that looks at manual charges that are created through the staff client by a person.  I am not a programmer. I really need some assistance how i could do this.
18:22 oleonard manual changes?
18:22 mmm45 in the schema, is there something close to this manual charge?
18:23 oleonard Oh charges.
18:23 mmm45 I think she is referring to charges added by the staff?
18:23 mmm45 charges
18:23 mmm45 so sorry
18:23 magnuse mmm45: what do you mean by "looks at"?
18:24 magnuse maybe you could just write a report?
18:24 mmm45 well, she said that in the past when the bill notice script was running it wouldn't send the notices to anyone who had a manual charge for ILL (interlibrary loans)
18:25 mmm45 i'm not sure i understand what she is asking
18:29 oleonard mmm45: It looks to me like charges entered using the "Create manual invoice" link are added to the database with 'M' as the accounttype
18:29 oleonard you could do an SQL report based on that
18:29 oleonard sql library?
18:29 * oleonard shrugs
18:30 oleonard[…]L_Reports_Library
18:30 mmm45 i will check that out. Thank you!!!!
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18:40 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
18:41 mtompset So close! I need to distinguish between a plugin icon click and the submit button click from the popup window.
18:42 oleonard $("#selector").on("click",function(){ });
18:43 oleonard $("#form").on("submit",function(){ });
18:48 mtompset I passed a from_pop parameter.
18:50 mtompset So within the popup that parameter is defined, so I can know. :)
18:59 mtompset Okay... "Upload File". What's the translate-able way to set that string value for the button text?
19:01 oleonard Besides a button that says "Upload file?"
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19:22 wizzyrea report library?
19:22 wahanui report library is at[…]L_Reports_Library
19:25 oleonard :P
19:31 jcamins Interesting.
19:31 wahanui interesting is probably sometimes good and sometimes bad
19:31 jcamins Why does that point to a page listed as "obsolete"?
19:32 oleonard[…]L_Reports_Library
19:32 mtompset so oleonard '<input ... value="Upload file">' will translate?
19:32 jcamins oleonard: yeah, but I'm wondering why wahanui was taught the obsolete one.
19:32 cait khall: it doesn't work for me :(
19:33 oleonard I know he knows the correct least I thought he did
19:33 oleonard mtompset: Yes
19:33 rangi reports?
19:33 wahanui reports are done by each library, and you can configure it
19:33 wizzyrea forget report library
19:33 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot report library
19:33 cait ah sec, i have an idea
19:33 rangi sql reports?
19:33 wizzyrea report library is[…]L_Reports_Library
19:33 cait morning rangi
19:33 rangi morning
19:34 cait ah no.. that wasn't it
19:34 cait reports library?
19:34 wahanui reports library is found at[…]L_Reports_Library
19:34 cait s :)
19:34 wizzyrea sql report library is[…]L_Reports_Library
19:35 wizzyrea reports is[…]L_Reports_Library
19:35 oleonard sql whatcha-ma-jigger is[…]L_Reports_Library
19:36 wizzyrea user created reports is[…]L_Reports_Library
19:36 wizzyrea bad grammar.
19:36 wizzyrea bad grammar is <reply> "Is our children learning?"
19:37 oleonard hot adult sql action is[…]L_Reports_Library
19:37 wizzyrea *snicker*
19:37 cait lol
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19:42 mtompset hot adult sql action?!
19:42 wahanui i think hot adult sql action is[…]L_Reports_Library
19:43 mtompset I see. It is funnier from wahanui's mouth.
19:43 * cait forgot to start zebra server *sigh*
19:44 mtompset sudo update-rc.d koha-zebra-daemon defaults?
19:51 cait @wunder Konstanz
19:51 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 10.1°C (9:50 PM CEST on October 03, 2013). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
19:51 cait brr.
19:51 jcamins @wunder 11375
19:51 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in Glendale, Glendale, New York is 23.5°C (3:51 PM EDT on October 03, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Falling).
19:52 jcamins You can have some of our heat.
19:52 jcamins It's actually still reasonably nice, but if it were cooler I could bake.
19:53 oleonard Hey everyone, why not install the qa tools and run the tests yourself?
19:53 cait ok, i will take. 4, that ok?
19:53 cait oleonard: very good question :) it would save some sending back of patches...
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19:54 rangi or better
19:54 rangi run all the tests
19:54 rangi since the qa tools still miss lots
19:55 rangi but they are better than nothing
19:55 * cait think run all the tests and the qa script
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20:35 rambutan[…]012/08/bundestag/
20:37 jcamins rambutan: why do that when you can just shut down the government and render laws moot?
20:38 rambutan Don't ask me hard questions. :)
20:50 Dyrcona Heh. "Good luck with that!"
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21:29 rangi @wunder nzwn
21:29 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (10:00 AM NZDT on October 04, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
21:29 rangi @noaa nzwn
21:29 huginn rangi: I suck
21:29 rangi @weather nzwn
21:29 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (10:00 AM NZDT on October 04, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
21:31 eythian hi
21:31 wahanui privet, eythian
21:31 rangi tcohen++
21:39 cait morning eythian
21:39 eythian hi
21:48 cait good night all :)
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22:14 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: bug 10419: (follow-up) improvements to the usage text <[…]ca0a9719a9a9bd1cc> / Bug 10419: (follow-up) patrons with fines should not be deleted <[…]634007d1986e99f51> / Bug 10419: (follow-up) fix hardcoded records and pod <
22:15 jenkins_koha Starting build #129 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
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22:58 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #129: SUCCESS in 42 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]master_maria/129/
22:58 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10419: new cronjob for deleting patrons
22:58 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10419: (followup) - tidy up cronjob for deleting patrons
22:58 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10419: (follow-up) add branchcode parameter to patron deletion script
22:58 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 10419: (followup) fix license statement
22:58 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10419 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , There is no cronjob script for deleting patrons
22:58 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10419: (follow-up) tidy names of command-line switches
22:58 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10419: (follow-up) functional improvements
22:58 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10419: (follow-up) fix hardcoded records and pod
22:58 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10419: (follow-up) patrons with fines should not be deleted
22:58 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 10419: (follow-up) improvements to the usage text
23:15 mtompset shoot my memory is shot, how do I list the commit ids of the last 8 commits?
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23:16 bgkriegel git log --oneline | head -8 ?
23:17 mtompset --oneline ... that's the one.
23:19 gmcharlt
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23:26 dcook Former cataloguing prof beat you to it :p but certainly a good thing to know
23:26 dcook Interesting how the LoC vs OCLC stuff is coming up
23:33 rangi i suspect thats why it's back
23:33 dcook Good call.
23:35 mtompset okay, I'm still pretty new to sign offs. Could someone check to see if I did bug 6874 correctly? Seeing as one set of the patches are mine, I didn't sign mine off, but everything else is, right?
23:35 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6874 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , File upload in MARC
23:35 dcook Wow, now my old school is saying they're only replacing 12 of 18 computers because they want to free up space for students to BYOD
23:36 dcook In other words, they're cheap.
23:36 mtompset BYOD?
23:36 dcook bring your own device
23:36 rangi aka widen the gap
23:36 dcook Yarp
23:36 dcook I think they're also cutting back tech support
23:36 dcook Because future librarians are so well prepared for technology already
23:37 rangi heh
23:37 mtompset bring your own device?! But I thought *public* school was to give *everyone* (regardless of financial status) the *same* education.
23:37 rangi that went out in the 1800's
23:38 dcook My other old school is also rationalizing spending 1 million dollars on a new sign saying the university's name
23:38 dcook's the only university in the city...and it's the university of that city
23:38 rangi heh
23:38 dcook Meanwhile, they're cutting staff and classes
23:38 mtompset 1 million dollars on a sign?!
23:38 dcook But complaining about low recruitment and retention
23:38 * dcook flails
23:39 mtompset maybe a couple hundred thousand, but 1 million?!
23:39 * dcook looks at the US government, then back at university administration, then back at US government, then back at university administration
23:40 mtompset Goodness... give the sign creation as a project to some engineering students and art students.
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23:59 Guest1248 Hmm

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