IRC log for #koha, 2013-08-27

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00:00 dcook Nice one, mtompset :)
00:02 mtompset It was the "explain the tweak hosts file" guy. I explained a little, and suggested he talk with his IT guy. Now he worked through that step with help from his system administrator. :)
00:02 mtompset (just like the instructions said to do, if you get stuck)
00:03 dcook Cool beans. I tweaked the host file at home as it was just easier. I assume that they're just experimenting as well?
00:17 mtompset not sure.
00:20 mtompset Looks like we got petition spam. :(
00:20 dcook Petition spam?
00:20 dcook That sounds familiar
00:20 mtompset Check your email. You'll see why I called it that.
00:22 dcook I only get the digests so it might not have arrived yet
00:22 * dcook takes a look
00:51 dcook I almost would've done better not reading my emails...
00:52 mtompset Hence the comment by oleonard about not warning rangi to not check his emails earlier.
00:53 dcook Hmm, I wasn't here for that :p
00:53 dcook I really should set up a bouncer one of these days...
00:53 cjh lastlog  -clar
00:53 cjh ww
01:16 rangi that looks like one of those dumb ones that sends mail to everyone in your address book
01:16 rangi without telling you
01:16 dcook Hmm, I never did see the petition one in the end
01:17 dcook I'm sure I'm not missing anything :p
01:17 rangi not unless you want to scrap pork
01:17 dcook O_o
01:26 mtompset rangi: It isn't about scrapping pork. It's about government kick-backs.
01:27 mtompset My Filipino family and friends are talking about this senator involved in this mess.
01:33 mtj hi all, does anyone have any experience about handling duplicated auth records, when importing…?
01:35 mtj i spotted a list thread from 2011 where the solution seemed to be to handle this problem outside of koha
01:35 mtj ->[…]nuary/027342.html
01:36 jcamins mtj: yeah, deal with it outside of Koha.
01:36 mtj but, i did also note that ./bulkmarcimport has a --match='245a/title' arg
01:37 jcamins It won't work.
01:37 jcamins Really.
01:37 mtompset -- unless you provide a patch? ;)
01:37 mtj heya jcamins, thanks for the info
01:37 jcamins Right.
01:39 mtj i did spot this too ->[…]ching_improvement
01:39 jcamins Yeah, but that's not going to help.
01:39 mtj was very handy :)
01:39 jcamins That's for matching bibs against authorities.
01:40 jcamins What might help would be bug 7419.
01:40 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7419 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Add authority deduplication script
01:41 mtompset pimp that bug, baby. ;)
01:41 mtj woah, looks impressive
01:41 jcamins Yeah, tcohen started testing it and ran into some problems.
01:41 jcamins Which need to be addressed.
01:51 mtj looks like tcohen's problems didn't get added to the bug
01:51 jcamins No, because he didn't write them up.
01:57 mtj ah, ok
01:57 mtj (i left a little note on the bug asking Tomas for that info)
01:58 jcamins I'll fix it when I can, but it's not going to be in time for any migrations you're currently working on.
01:59 mtj yeah… i was thinking i could help
02:00 jcamins Ah. I would certainly be happy to see that.
02:02 mtj jcamins,  the known problems scary show-stoppers?
02:02 mtj s/the/are the/
02:03 mtompset Isn't messing up authorities a scary show stopper? ;)
02:03 mtompset (thankfully, my opinion doesn't matter on this)
02:04 mtj yeah, a good point :)
02:04 jcamins mtj: matchchecks don't work with authorities.
02:04 jcamins And there are some warnings.
02:09 mtj its a very impressive patch
02:11 jcamins Thanks.
02:11 mtj i think i might give it a go, and see how far i get...
02:15 mtj perhaps make a ./t/ to show how its failing
02:15 mtj (i think the feature is missing that, so far)
02:16 jcamins No, we don't usually do unit tests for Perl scripts. It'd be great if we did, but kind of challenging.
02:22 mtj this one feels like a worthy exception
02:23 jcamins If you are able to write a unit test, please do.
02:24 mtj yep, i'll, at least, have a go at it :)
02:25 * mtj adds that to his list of 'things i promised to do for Koha'
02:52 mtompset Hmmm... I just realized there may be a reason I install a tarball koha on a debian-based OS for production -- I want to stick with 3.8.x, even though 3.12.x is current.
02:52 mtompset We aren't always lucky to have someone maintaining the version prior to oldstable, however.
02:54 wizzyrea if you're gonna do that you should just build your own packages
02:55 mtompset wizzyrea: I would agree with that.
02:56 mtompset But some people haven't taken the plunge to build their own packages, but they are familiar with the tarball install.
02:57 jcamins Sure, and that's why it's possible. That doesn't mean we need to recommend it.
02:57 mtompset True enough.
02:58 mtompset I'm just trying to wrap my head around "souce based" installs... merging the idea of tarball install and git install into the same set of instructions.
02:58 mtompset I guess we are no longer worried about the SAXParser.
02:58 mtompset Locale
02:58 rangi nope thats a non issue
02:58 jcamins Locale has not been an issue in a very long time.
02:59 mtompset Good... those sections are getting ripped out. :)
02:59 jcamins SAX parser might need to be addressed still.
02:59 rangi fwiw
02:59 mtompset Really?!
02:59 rangi i havent done the sax parser thing in 3 years
02:59 wahanui it has been said that really is off now
02:59 rangi havent had a problem yet
02:59 mtompset It's not mentioned on the package installations at all.
02:59 rangi also
02:59 rangi i think from now one
03:00 jcamins rangi: I switched to packages as soon as they were available, so I haven't had to think about SAX parsers.
03:00 rangi people should not interact abuot the wrong wiki, except to post a link to the official wiki
03:00 mtompset okay, sax and locale are going.
03:00 rangi the point has been made, it just makes us look surly
03:01 rangi so if hilton insists on posting links to his wiki installation instructions, we just post one to the instructions that actually work
03:01 rangi and leave it at that
03:03 dcook rangi: Yeah, I've said my two bits on LinkedIn, and now I'm ready to just post links to koha-community
03:03 rangi yep
03:04 dcook Like you say, we don't want to come off as ogres.
03:04 dcook In fact, I want to encourage people to talk to us without fear of being shouted down.
03:04 rangi yep
03:05 rangi and its fairly obvious both the wiki and livedvd person arent listening, so no point scaring others
03:07 dcook That's true. I feel bad for the people who use the bad instructions, but hopefully they'll see the links to the good ones and use those instead. That's about the best we can do.
03:07 rangi yep
03:21 rangi right that blogpost is my last word on the subject :)
03:21 mtompset link?
03:22 rangi[…]-what-motivation/
03:23 dcook Quite an appropriate last word, I think
03:28 wizzyrea also can I just say, the librarian who called out the chron job person I really want to hug.
03:28 cjh :o
03:29 * cjh continues listening to daft punk
03:29 cjh ty wizzyrea
03:29 dcook cjh++
03:29 wizzyrea :D
03:29 * dcook has been on a daft punk kick for the past week or so...can't help but koha to them
03:30 dcook wizzyrea: Not sure that I saw that. Hmm.
03:30 jcamins wizzyrea: yeah, I thought that was a great message.
03:31 wizzyrea there are some technicalities there that aren't entirely correct
03:31 wizzyrea but the spirit is right
03:31 jcamins Yep.
03:36 rangi[…]&
03:36 rangi i love this tv add
03:37 rangi "I say, you too slow, you have crispy duck, sit down!"
03:38 rangi "my soap is not funny"
03:42 cjh wizzyrea++
03:51 wizzyrea hehe that ad made me laugh
03:54 mtompset KellySundin++ # WizzyRea is right, she did a good job of replying.
03:54 wizzyrea What does a grown man need with 12 frosty pigs?
03:56 mtompset @quote random
03:56 huginn` mtompset: Quote #200: "chris_n: usually the problem is either too much time and not enough cookies or not enough time and too many cookies" (added by wizzyrea at 03:24 PM, April 12, 2012)
03:56 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn`.
03:56 cjh hahahha
03:57 mtompset Almost relevant!
03:57 wizzyrea @quote random
03:57 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #69: "<schuster> Now if I could only figure out how to control those daemons... or at least the ones in my head..." (added by jwagner at 02:02 PM, March 17, 2010)
04:02 mtompset Bah, it's more like daemons under RedHat so that Koha is better supported there. :P
04:16 dcook Hmmm, I was wondering why the last few minutes sounded different
04:16 dcook Gorillaz. Not Daft Punk.
04:17 dcook The day after you write up your POD and then decide to change how your methods work...
04:17 dcook *sigh*
04:17 wizzyrea < the only gorillaz song I know
04:17 * wizzyrea is so old
04:19 dcook I'm sure I must've heard this song before...
04:19 wizzyrea hahahahahaha
04:19 dcook I heard the first album years ago but I have never really followed them
04:19 wizzyrea < is my favorite version
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04:24 wizzyrea well actually it's the only version I really like.
04:31 dcook hehe
04:37 mtompset That's a good cover, wizzyrea.
04:43 mtompset Have a great day, #koha.
04:43 dcook ta mtompset
04:43 dcook wizzyrea: She is catchy!
04:43 * mtompset waves bye to dcook wizzyrea cjh etc, :)
04:45 dcook ie--
04:55 dcook was someone who didn't know what they were doing with CSS...
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05:41 dcook hey ya cait :)
05:42 * cait waves
06:02 * magnuse waves
06:03 dcook hei magnuse :)
06:08 magnuse hiya dcook
06:36 * magnuse saw[…]tation-070010001/ and thought maybe there should be a steampunk skin for koha...
06:40 cait :)
06:42 cait bbiab
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06:42 dcook I like this idea, magnuse :)
06:43 dcook I wonder how skins are done...
06:43 magnuse me too ;-)
06:43 mtj that hits my funny-bone
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06:44 dcook Maybe a template that exposed the most important CSS properties?
06:44 reiveune hello
06:44 wahanui salut, reiveune
06:44 dcook Most important just being things like colours and backgrounds
06:44 dcook hey ya reiveune :)
06:44 reiveune \o/
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06:56 gaetan_B hell
06:56 gaetan_B o
06:56 gaetan_B :)
06:56 magnuse bonjour reiveune sophie_m gaetan_B
06:56 magnuse gaetan_B: that is some way to great the world ;-)
06:56 reiveune salut magnuse :)
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06:57 sophie_m hello magnuse
06:57 magnuse @wunder boo
06:57 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 14.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on August 27, 2013). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady).
06:57 magnuse @wunder marseille
06:57 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 19.0°C (8:30 AM CEST on August 27, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
06:57 magnuse just 5 degress difference :-)
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06:58 drojf good morning #koha
06:59 alex_a bonjour
06:59 magnuse moin drojf
06:59 mtj heya mirko, alex_a
06:59 magnuse hiya alex_a and mtj
07:00 mtj magnus, a *physical* steampunk OPAC would be great
07:00 magnuse sure!
07:02 magnuse you can buy these drab cabinets for self checkout stations, right? what if there was a steampunk version of that, bot for self check and for patron computers...
07:02 mtj i bet there are still many libraries that have opacs that look 'steampunk', without the irony :p
07:02 magnuse a "physical opac" - is that a card catalogue?
07:02 magnuse lol
07:03 dcook hehe
07:03 mtj yep, thats what i was thinking too :o)
07:04 mtj submit your queries via a punchcard reader
07:06 mtj ...results are output via ticker-tape
07:07 magnuse like
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07:12 mtj ha, thats great
07:22 dcook ...
07:22 dcook I just realized that I forgot to listen to the radio today
07:22 dcook The host was playing a song for me :(
07:23 magnuse oh noes!
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07:24 magnuse pork? is that a new form of spam?
07:24 magnuse KIA ORA KF!
07:24 dcook hehe
07:24 dcook I really need to see this message..
07:24 dcook o/ kf
07:24 dcook this one looks like stretching.../o
07:24 dcook Or swimming..
07:24 kf hi magnuse
07:57 kf koha++
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08:16 mtj !twadd #kohails
08:16 tweetbot OK, now watching for '#kohails'
08:16 mtj !twadd kohails
08:16 tweetbot OK, now watching for 'kohails'
08:16 mtj hmm, i'm sure the tweetbot has been a little quiet lately… :/
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08:17 mtj (i thought i'd give it a restart, and see...)
08:19 kf now we need some kohails news
08:27 magnuse koha-shell++ for the convenience
08:31 dac @later tell jcamins Have I ever mentioned ICA-AtoM to you? You might find it interesting:
08:31 huginn` dac: The operation succeeded.
08:40 dac Favourite quote from a former classmate today
08:40 dac "... but we'll probably need to just all get together in one room with Koha and a keg in order to make a decision and get started."
08:40 dac Love it
08:46 kf hm, does someone know how to deal with $ in fields in marc21?
08:47 dac Hmm
08:47 dac I don't think I've had that come up, but I could see how it would...
08:48 kf some library here using it in barcodes.
08:48 dac Ew..
08:49 dac I'm not really sure :(
08:49 drojf make them stop? :P
08:50 dac What about $ signs in titles?
08:50 dac I could see that coming up in a book title
08:51 dac one dvd on
08:51 dac Hmm
08:51 dac Wait a minute..
08:52 dac Does it actually cause a problem?
08:53 dac It should be irrelevant in MARCXML
08:53 dac Maybe in raw MARC..
08:53 dac If it causes problems in raw MARC, gmcharlt might have some ideas
08:54 kf itdid cause a problem for the barcoes - missing part of it
08:54 drojf[…]forge-has-fallen/
08:54 kf still trying to figure out in which step it got confused
08:54 drojf isn't the livedvd on sourcefourge? that will add extra fun
08:55 dac Mmm, I've had some weirdness happen through multiple manipulations of MARC data from one format to another..
08:56 kf dac: yeah.... something like that
08:57 dac Whoa, I am dac...
08:57 * dac wonders when that happened..
08:58 dcook There we go
08:59 drojf and i wondered who that dac person is that i have never seen before but that feels very at home here ;)
09:00 * kf had a feeling...
09:00 kf dcook: but should you be here? :)
09:00 drojf "(09:58:18) dac [] hat den Raum betreten." kind of gives it away
09:00 drojf yeah, isn't that a strange time for you?
09:03 * magnuse thinks dcook should be here for another 5 hours or so
09:03 dcook magnuse: :P
09:03 dcook kf: I probably shouldn't be here
09:03 dcook I was catching up on some emails though
09:03 dcook Which always take more time than they should
09:03 dcook Personal ones though! So...that's a thing
09:03 magnuse mysqlf-- for not documenting things i figure out
09:03 dcook drojf: I was just thinking that my nonchalance must've carried through in my speech..
09:04 dcook Intriguing!
09:04 magnuse mysqlf?!? whut? i must be going mad
09:04 magnuse myself-- for not documenting things i figure out
09:04 magnuse @karma mysqlf
09:04 huginn` magnuse: Karma for "mysqlf" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1.
09:04 drojf mysqlf. lol
09:05 dcook I figured the f was a
09:05 magnuse nope, q was the typo :-)
09:05 dcook mysqlf...the moment when you've been working on databases too long
09:05 dcook Except that it's only morning there :p
09:05 dcook Right..
09:05 drojf rangi++
09:05 dcook My wife was talking with a friend in Sweden last night, and the timezones made sense due to all the conversations with you, magnuse ;)
09:06 magnuse yeah rangi++
09:06 dcook Mmm, very true
09:06 dcook rangi++
09:06 magnuse dcook: hehe
09:06 dcook What the hell...peer pressure is fun
09:06 dcook I think I might've forgotten to do it earlier..
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09:13 kf rangi++
09:13 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
09:13 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 18.8°C (11:13 AM CEST on August 27, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
09:14 drojf funny how that reads exactly like yesterday. and yesterday was a nice summer day, toda it's autumn
09:14 drojf *today
09:14 kf same here
09:14 kf pretty cool
09:14 kf @wunder Konstanz
09:14 huginn` kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 17.0°C (11:00 AM CEST on August 27, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1013 hPa (Rising).
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09:15 mtj !twadd kohails
09:15 tweetbot OK, now watching for 'kohails'
09:15 drojf yesterday i felt like "yay, all the energy, let's do things". today i'd like to work from my bed. for five minutes, and then sleep ;)
09:17 magnuse ooh, good plan!
09:20 * drojf thinks about adding all signoffs he did to his CV
09:21 dcook lol
09:24 drojf i should better go and study before the day is over again. see you later, #koha
09:25 dcook ta drojf
09:29 dcook Hmm, I should get moving too
09:29 dcook Wifey going to be on the TV in an hour...
09:30 dcook Not that I own a TV, but the channel has a free online stream ^_^
09:36 kf famous wife? :)
09:37 dcook Increasingly famous, I suppose
09:38 dcook All right. i should get moving. See you fine folks tomorrow :)
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10:09 kf @seen slef
10:09 huginn` kf: slef was last seen in #koha 2 weeks, 3 days, 19 hours, 33 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <slef> kf speed?
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10:23 quoc_uy Hi everyone, long time no see
10:24 * quoc_uy slaps jcamins around a bit with a large fishbot
10:25 kf hi quoc_uy - why the fish?
10:25 kf and he is probably asleep so that might be not so polite :)
10:25 quoc_uy haha, just miss click
10:25 quoc_uy :)
10:30 kf lunch time here - bbiab
10:30 quoc_uy okie
10:31 quoc_uy i missed 2 general meeting because of time
10:32 kf yeah, timezones make it difficult sometimes
10:32 kf we shift each meeting by 8 hours
10:33 kf so everyone gets a chance to attend at a good time
10:33 kf now i am gone :)
10:34 quoc_uy yes, i see that.
10:34 quoc_uy okie ,bb
11:04 magnuse do we have an official style guide for new sysprefs? NewSyspref or New_Syspref or new_syspref...
11:18 kf i think i prefer camelcase.... but we probably have all variations
11:18 kf i think not somany underscores
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11:23 magnuse yeah, we do have all variations
11:24 mtj CamelCase seems to be the most common variant, imho
11:26 magnuse i'll go with that
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11:28 samueld hi everybody :-)
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12:18 oleonard Hi #koha
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12:23 magnuse hiya oleonard et al
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12:42 kf hi oleonard :)
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12:43 tcohen morning
12:43 kf good morning tcohen
12:50 slef @later tell mtompset you called?
12:50 huginn` slef: The operation succeeded.
12:55 druthb o/
12:57 magnuse druthb!
12:57 wahanui Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would.
12:57 magnuse tcohen!
12:57 wahanui tcohen is obsessed with packages' scripts
12:57 magnuse tcohen++
12:57 tcohen magnuse!
12:57 wahanui magnuse is a Norwegian giant.
12:57 druthb magnuse!
12:57 wahanui i think magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza.
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13:07 magnuse ooh, pizza
13:07 druthb :)
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15:17 * Oak waves
15:17 Oak @wunder islamabad
15:17 huginn` Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 30.0°C (8:00 PM PKT on August 27, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 24.0°C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Steady).
15:18 Oak @wunder konstanz
15:18 huginn` Oak: The current temperature in Friedrichshafen, Germany is 17.0°C (5:09 PM CEST on August 27, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
15:21 druthb @wunder 77098
15:21 huginn` druthb: The current temperature in Greenway Plaza, Houston, Texas is 28.9°C (10:21 AM CDT on August 27, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 23.0°C. Pressure: 30.10 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
15:21 druthb Hi, Oak!
15:21 Oak hello druthb :)
15:36 reiveune bye
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16:11 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina
16:11 huginn` tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 18.0°C (1:00 PM ART on August 27, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 21%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Steady).
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16:23 kf bye all
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16:46 gaetan_B bye !:
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16:51 * cait waves
16:51 rambutan waves
16:51 druthb o/
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16:58 tcohen \o cait
16:58 cait hi tcohen :)
16:59 tcohen i see you worked to remove some annoying warnings on opac
16:59 cait oh
16:59 cait that was a long time ago
16:59 cait it probably needs to be revisited
16:59 tcohen yes
16:59 cait feel free to adopt if you feel like it :)
16:59 tcohen bug 7937
16:59 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7937 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Failed QA , Silence warns in OPAC  error log (koha-opac-error_log)
16:59 cait it was my first try really
16:59 cait i remember i had a hard time figuring things out
16:59 tcohen i think gmcharlt should take a look and tell how to proceed
17:00 tcohen i was passed qa but paul made some comments and went failed qa
17:01 cait hm i can't look right now - maybe later
17:01 tcohen np
17:01 cait i have to take care of dinner first- just got home :)
17:01 tcohen :)
17:11 * oleonard crosses his fingers, again, for Bug 2720
17:11 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2720 enhancement, P3, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Overdues which debar automatically should undebar automatically when returned
17:16 magnuse oleonard: golden oldies?
17:17 oleonard We chipped in some money for that development so I'm hoping it will pass this time.
17:17 magnuse ooh, fingers crossed then
17:17 magnuse wonders what the oldest, open bug is
17:19 oleonard Bug 444?
17:19 huginn` Bug[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=444 enhancement, P2, ---, paul.poulain, REOPENED , Manual Credits does not support authorised values (Manual invoices do)
17:19 magnuse yeah, looks like it :-)
17:21 magnuse reported a little more than 10 years ago, poor thing...
17:21 magnuse well, soon it will be teenager ;-)
17:22 cait lol
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17:36 magnuse druthb! drojf!
17:37 druthb magnuse!
17:37 wahanui it has been said that magnuse is a Norwegian giant.
17:38 cait drojf! druthb! magnuse!
17:39 druthb cait!
17:39 druthb drojf!
17:41 magnuse i can haz this for KOHA? kthxbai
17:42 drojf magnuse! cait! druthb!
17:42 drojf i see our secret handshake is spreading ;)
17:42 drojf oh very nice magnuse
17:43 drojf i want "danger" buttons all over the livedvd :P
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17:47 magnuse kia ora eythian!
17:49 eythian god kveld magnuse!
17:49 magnuse :-)
17:52 magnuse eythian: got a plan for the 3.12.4 packages?
17:52 eythian a note for anyone concerned, there might be a delay before the packages are released. Due to a migraine (not mine), I don't have access to my laptop.
17:52 eythian heh, was just writing that
17:53 eythian I might get back to it tomorrow and find time for them, but it might also not be until I'm back in NZ next week.
17:53 eythian (so soon!?!)
17:54 magnuse hehe
17:54 magnuse no worries, just good to know the lay of the land
17:55 eythian yeah, essentially "it depends", but probably Tuesday at the latest.
18:08 magnuse cool
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18:25 tcohen @seen gmcharlt
18:26 huginn` tcohen: gmcharlt was last seen in #koha 1 day, 3 hours, 35 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <gmcharlt> mu
18:26 magnuse gah, writing contracts is no fun!
18:26 tcohen is it ok to backport some TT plugins from a patch for master into 3.12?
18:27 tcohen i mean, cherry-pick, then remove everything but those plugins, keeping authorship
18:27 tcohen jcamins?
18:27 wahanui ask him about serials and/or acquisitions.
18:28 jcamins tcohen: why would you want to?
18:28 tcohen some fixes that are getting pushed depend on those plugins
18:28 tcohen[…]42b2c1b272439b2b6
18:29 tcohen bug 10609
18:29 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10609 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use branch name rather than branch code in
18:29 jcamins Ehhh...
18:29 jcamins I guess.
18:30 tcohen am i killing a mosquito with a bazooka?
18:31 jcamins I think you may be.
18:33 tcohen thx
18:38 tcohen i'll come back to that tomorrow jcamins, will ask oleonard to make a patch for 3.12 (or write one myself)
18:39 tcohen bye #koha
18:45 jenkins_koha Starting build #86 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
18:59 oleonard jcamins: Have you used grunt.js before?
18:59 jcamins oleonard: I have not, though it looks very nice.
19:00 oleonard Today I've been working on integrating it with the new Bootstrap theme
19:00 oleonard So far I have it compiling LESS into CSS, concatenating some JS, and minifying some JS
19:00 jcamins Nice!
19:01 magnuse oleonard++
19:01 oleonard I'm hearing conflicting advice about whether I should commit the node module dependencies along with everything else
19:01 jcamins oleonard: you should.
19:01 jcamins Koha qualifies as an "application."
19:03 oleonard So if I've got this working correctly and others agree it's a good idea that will mean a new procedure for contributors who want to add or modify CSS and JS
19:03 cait how complicated is it?
19:04 cait and how hard will it be to fix merge conflicts?
19:04 cait just wondering :)
19:04 jcamins Merge conflicts will be no harder than currently, because the RM will commit the generated files, and it'll involve running `grunt`
19:04 jcamins Maybe `grunt build`
19:05 jcamins Or something like that.
19:06 oleonard If the RM is committing the generated files doesn't that mean the developer must manually exclude them from commits?
19:06 jcamins oleonard: I don't see a lot of choices.
19:07 jcamins With minified JS, every single CSS change will involve an unresolvable conflict.
19:07 cait yeah that was my thought
19:07 jcamins Minified *CSS* obviously.
19:07 cait so you need to be able to do it for testing, but commit only the 'base' files?
19:07 jcamins I'd favor just not having developers use the minified CSS.
19:08 oleonard jcamins: Do in-browser less processing?
19:08 cait jcamins: ah
19:08 cait generate only for releases?
19:08 jcamins oleonard: that'd be my preference. Make it a toggle in koha-conf.xml or the like.
19:09 jcamins The RM could even generate it after every patch.
19:12 oleonard gmcharlt around to give an opinion?
19:13 druthb He's out having fun in San Antonio, I imagine.
19:14 rambutan miss the SAT riverwalk
19:19 magnuse have fun, #koha!
19:20 cait bye magnuse :)
19:20 cait hm signed off down to 81... good!
19:25 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #86: SUCCESS in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.12.x/86/
19:25 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10543: fix false warnings from checks of mandatory item fields
19:25 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10543 - Unify item mandatory subfields check
19:25 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10543 - add mandatory subfield check to
19:25 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10543 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , false mandatory warning in additem
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19:30 eythian cait:
19:31 * cait clicks
19:31 cait uhoh
19:32 cait eythian: now you scared kyle away
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19:32 eythian Heh oops
19:33 cait eythian: it was too warm that day.
19:33 cait :)
19:33 eythian It was rather.
19:33 cait when are you flying back?
19:33 eythian There's also one of me, but I don't have to share that.
19:33 eythian Friday
19:34 cait and if I want to see it? :)
19:34 cait oh wow soon
19:35 eythian Yeah, it is quite soon.
19:38 cait yeah, time flies - this year seems especially crazy
19:38 cait ok, bbiab
19:51 cait eythian: i have to admit your konstanz photos are not as impressive as the italian ones
19:51 cait eythian: but maybe i am just the worst guide ever? :)
19:52 eythian Heh I wasn't in Konstanz to be taking photos :)
19:52 cait :)
20:49 * wizzyrea waves
20:53 * cait waves at wizzyrea
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20:59 cait hi tcohen
20:59 cait :)
20:59 tcohen hi :)
21:00 tcohen so i get home, and find out i have homework?
21:02 cait hm yes?
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22:07 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
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23:05 dcook morning #koha
23:14 rambutan morning dcook
23:15 rambutan <actually evening>
23:19 tcohen hi dcook rambutan
23:27 dcook joined #koha
23:28 dcook Gotta love having an "actual meter reading" just when the energy rates go up...
23:30 dcook Mmm energy bill over double the last one...
23:30 wizzyrea ew
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23:45 dcook rangi++
23:46 rangi what now?
23:46 wahanui hmmm... now is good time with holidays coming up
23:46 dcook listserv stuff :P
23:46 rangi ahh
23:46 rambutan hi tcohen
23:47 rambutan foraging time
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23:58 mtompset Greetings, dcook tcohen rangi wizzyrea. :)
23:58 dcook hey ya mtompset
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23:58 * mtompset feels more awake after his liter of cola.
23:58 dcook liter?
23:59 mtompset litre.
23:59 dcook That's better :p
23:59 mtompset Sorry, a typographical error. :P
23:59 dcook I was starting to think that we had an intruder masquerading as mtompset

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