Time  Nick         Message
23:59 dcook        I was starting to think that we had an intruder masquerading as mtompset
23:59 mtompset     Sorry, a typographical error. :P
23:59 dcook        That's better :p
23:59 mtompset     litre.
23:58 dcook        liter?
23:58 * mtompset   feels more awake after his liter of cola.
23:58 dcook        hey ya mtompset
23:58 mtompset     Greetings, dcook tcohen rangi wizzyrea. :)
23:47 rambutan     foraging time
23:46 rambutan     hi tcohen
23:46 rangi        ahh
23:46 dcook        listserv stuff :P
23:46 wahanui      hmmm... now is good time with holidays coming up
23:46 rangi        what now?
23:45 dcook        rangi++
23:30 wizzyrea     ew
23:30 dcook        Mmm energy bill over double the last one...
23:28 dcook        Gotta love having an "actual meter reading" just when the energy rates go up...
23:19 tcohen       hi dcook rambutan
23:15 rambutan     <actually evening>
23:14 rambutan     morning dcook
23:05 dcook        morning #koha
22:07 mtompset     Greetings, #koha.
21:02 cait         hm yes?
21:00 tcohen       so i get home, and find out i have homework?
20:59 tcohen       hi :)
20:59 cait         :)
20:59 cait         hi tcohen
20:53 * cait       waves at wizzyrea
20:49 * wizzyrea   waves
19:52 cait         :)
19:52 eythian      Heh I wasn't in Konstanz to be taking photos :)
19:51 cait         eythian: but maybe i am just the worst guide ever? :)
19:51 cait         eythian: i have to admit your konstanz photos are not as impressive as the italian ones
19:38 cait         ok, bbiab
19:38 cait         yeah, time flies - this year seems especially crazy
19:35 eythian      Yeah, it is quite soon.
19:34 cait         oh wow soon
19:34 cait         and if I want to see it? :)
19:33 eythian      Friday
19:33 eythian      There's also one of me, but I don't have to share that.
19:33 cait         when are you flying back?
19:33 eythian      It was rather.
19:33 cait         :)
19:33 cait         eythian: it was too warm that day.
19:32 eythian      Heh oops
19:32 cait         eythian: now you scared kyle away
19:31 cait         uhoh
19:31 * cait       clicks
19:30 eythian      cait: http://ubuntuone.com/2PSXZXEit7NTpzFDo6CbsB
19:25 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10543 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , false mandatory warning in additem
19:25 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10543 - add mandatory subfield check to addorderiso2709.pl
19:25 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10543 - Unify item mandatory subfields check
19:25 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10543: fix false warnings from checks of mandatory item fields
19:25 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #86: SUCCESS in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/86/
19:20 cait         hm signed off down to 81... good!
19:20 cait         bye magnuse :)
19:19 magnuse      have fun, #koha!
19:14 rambutan     miss the SAT riverwalk
19:13 druthb       He's out having fun in San Antonio, I imagine.
19:12 oleonard     gmcharlt around to give an opinion?
19:09 jcamins      The RM could even generate it after every patch.
19:08 jcamins      oleonard: that'd be my preference. Make it a toggle in koha-conf.xml or the like.
19:08 cait         generate only for releases?
19:08 cait         jcamins: ah
19:08 oleonard     jcamins: Do in-browser less processing?
19:07 jcamins      I'd favor just not having developers use the minified CSS.
19:07 cait         so you need to be able to do it for testing, but commit only the 'base' files?
19:07 jcamins      Minified *CSS* obviously.
19:07 cait         yeah that was my thought
19:07 jcamins      With minified JS, every single CSS change will involve an unresolvable conflict.
19:06 jcamins      oleonard: I don't see a lot of choices.
19:06 oleonard     If the RM is committing the generated files doesn't that mean the developer must manually exclude them from commits?
19:05 jcamins      Or something like that.
19:04 jcamins      Maybe `grunt build`
19:04 jcamins      Merge conflicts will be no harder than currently, because the RM will commit the generated files, and it'll involve running `grunt`
19:04 cait         just wondering :)
19:04 cait         and how hard will it be to fix merge conflicts?
19:03 cait         how complicated is it?
19:03 oleonard     So if I've got this working correctly and others agree it's a good idea that will mean a new procedure for contributors who want to add or modify CSS and JS
19:01 jcamins      Koha qualifies as an "application."
19:01 jcamins      oleonard: you should.
19:01 oleonard     I'm hearing conflicting advice about whether I should commit the node module dependencies along with everything else
19:01 magnuse      oleonard++
19:00 jcamins      Nice!
19:00 oleonard     So far I have it compiling LESS into CSS, concatenating some JS, and minifying some JS
19:00 oleonard     Today I've been working on integrating it with the new Bootstrap theme
18:59 jcamins      oleonard: I have not, though it looks very nice.
18:59 oleonard     jcamins: Have you used grunt.js before?
18:45 jenkins_koha Starting build #86 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
18:39 tcohen       bye #koha
18:38 tcohen       i'll come back to that tomorrow jcamins, will ask oleonard to make a patch for 3.12 (or write one myself)
18:33 tcohen       thx
18:31 jcamins      I think you may be.
18:30 tcohen       am i killing a mosquito with a bazooka?
18:29 jcamins      I guess.
18:29 jcamins      Ehhh...
18:29 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10609 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use branch name rather than branch code in serials-collection.pl
18:29 tcohen       bug 10609
18:28 tcohen       http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commit;h=82e1a1c1b39eb497a0ecf8742b2c1b272439b2b6
18:28 tcohen       some fixes that are getting pushed depend on those plugins
18:28 jcamins      tcohen: why would you want to?
18:27 wahanui      ask him about serials and/or acquisitions.
18:27 tcohen       jcamins?
18:27 tcohen       i mean, cherry-pick, then remove everything but those plugins, keeping authorship
18:26 tcohen       is it ok to backport some TT plugins from a patch for master into 3.12?
18:26 magnuse      gah, writing contracts is no fun!
18:26 huginn`      tcohen: gmcharlt was last seen in #koha 1 day, 3 hours, 35 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <gmcharlt> mu
18:25 tcohen       @seen gmcharlt
18:08 magnuse      cool
17:55 eythian      yeah, essentially "it depends", but probably Tuesday at the latest.
17:54 magnuse      no worries, just good to know the lay of the land
17:54 magnuse      hehe
17:53 eythian      (so soon!?!)
17:53 eythian      I might get back to it tomorrow and find time for them, but it might also not be until I'm back in NZ next week.
17:52 eythian      heh, was just writing that
17:52 eythian      a note for anyone concerned, there might be a delay before the packages are released. Due to a migraine (not mine), I don't have access to my laptop.
17:52 magnuse      eythian: got a plan for the 3.12.4 packages?
17:49 magnuse      :-)
17:49 eythian      god kveld magnuse!
17:47 magnuse      kia ora eythian!
17:43 drojf        i want "danger" buttons all over the livedvd :P
17:42 drojf        oh very nice magnuse
17:42 drojf        i see our secret handshake is spreading ;)
17:42 drojf        magnuse! cait! druthb!
17:41 magnuse      i can haz this for KOHA? http://code.divshot.com/geo-bootstrap/ kthxbai
17:39 druthb       drojf!
17:39 druthb       cait!
17:38 cait         drojf! druthb! magnuse!
17:37 wahanui      it has been said that magnuse is a Norwegian giant.
17:37 druthb       magnuse!
17:36 magnuse      druthb! drojf!
17:22 cait         lol
17:21 magnuse      well, soon it will be teenager ;-)
17:21 magnuse      reported a little more than 10 years ago, poor thing...
17:19 magnuse      yeah, looks like it :-)
17:19 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=444 enhancement, P2, ---, paul.poulain, REOPENED , Manual Credits does not support authorised values (Manual invoices do)
17:19 oleonard     Bug 444?
17:17 magnuse      wonders what the oldest, open bug is
17:17 magnuse      ooh, fingers crossed then
17:17 oleonard     We chipped in some money for that development so I'm hoping it will pass this time.
17:16 magnuse      oleonard: golden oldies?
17:11 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2720 enhancement, P3, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Overdues which debar automatically should undebar automatically when returned
17:11 * oleonard   crosses his fingers, again, for Bug 2720
17:01 tcohen       :)
17:01 cait         i have to take care of dinner first- just got home :)
17:01 tcohen       np
17:01 cait         hm i can't look right now - maybe later
17:00 tcohen       i was passed qa but paul made some comments and went failed qa
16:59 tcohen       i think gmcharlt should take a look and tell how to proceed
16:59 cait         i remember i had a hard time figuring things out
16:59 cait         it was my first try really
16:59 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7937 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Failed QA , Silence warns in OPAC  error log (koha-opac-error_log)
16:59 tcohen       bug 7937
16:59 cait         feel free to adopt if you feel like it :)
16:59 tcohen       yes
16:59 cait         it probably needs to be revisited
16:59 cait         that was a long time ago
16:59 cait         oh
16:59 tcohen       i see you worked to remove some annoying warnings on opac
16:58 cait         hi tcohen :)
16:58 tcohen       \o cait
16:51 druthb       o/
16:51 rambutan     waves
16:51 * cait       waves
16:46 gaetan_B     bye !:
16:23 kf           bye all
16:11 huginn`      tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 18.0°C (1:00 PM ART on August 27, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 21%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Steady).
16:11 tcohen       @wunder cordoba, argentina
15:36 reiveune     bye
15:21 Oak          hello druthb :)
15:21 druthb       Hi, Oak!
15:21 huginn`      druthb: The current temperature in Greenway Plaza, Houston, Texas is 28.9°C (10:21 AM CDT on August 27, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 23.0°C. Pressure: 30.10 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
15:21 druthb       @wunder 77098
15:18 huginn`      Oak: The current temperature in Friedrichshafen, Germany is 17.0°C (5:09 PM CEST on August 27, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
15:18 Oak          @wunder konstanz
15:17 huginn`      Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 30.0°C (8:00 PM PKT on August 27, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 24.0°C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Steady).
15:17 Oak          @wunder islamabad
15:17 * Oak        waves
13:07 druthb       :)
13:07 magnuse      ooh, pizza
12:57 wahanui      i think magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza.
12:57 druthb       magnuse!
12:57 wahanui      magnuse is a Norwegian giant.
12:57 tcohen       magnuse!
12:57 magnuse      tcohen++
12:57 wahanui      tcohen is obsessed with packages' scripts
12:57 magnuse      tcohen!
12:57 wahanui      Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would.
12:57 magnuse      druthb!
12:55 druthb       o/
12:50 huginn`      slef: The operation succeeded.
12:50 slef         @later tell mtompset you called?
12:43 kf           good morning tcohen
12:43 tcohen       morning
12:42 kf           hi oleonard :)
12:23 magnuse      hiya oleonard et al
12:18 oleonard     Hi #koha
11:28 samueld      hi everybody :-)
11:26 magnuse      i'll go with that
11:24 mtj          CamelCase seems to be the most common variant, imho
11:23 magnuse      yeah, we do have all variations
11:18 kf           i think not somany underscores
11:18 kf           i think i prefer camelcase.... but we probably have all variations
11:04 magnuse      do we have an official style guide for new sysprefs? NewSyspref or New_Syspref or new_syspref...
10:34 quoc_uy      okie ,bb
10:34 quoc_uy      yes, i see that.
10:33 kf           now i am gone :)
10:33 kf           so everyone gets a chance to attend at a good time
10:32 kf           we shift each meeting by 8 hours
10:32 kf           yeah, timezones make it difficult sometimes
10:31 quoc_uy      i missed 2 general meeting because of time
10:30 quoc_uy      okie
10:30 kf           lunch time here - bbiab
10:25 quoc_uy      :)
10:25 quoc_uy      haha, just miss click
10:25 kf           and he is probably asleep so that might be not so polite :)
10:25 kf           hi quoc_uy - why the fish?
10:24 * quoc_uy    slaps jcamins around a bit with a large fishbot
10:23 quoc_uy      Hi everyone, long time no see
10:09 huginn`      kf: slef was last seen in #koha 2 weeks, 3 days, 19 hours, 33 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <slef> kf speed?
10:09 kf           @seen slef
09:38 dcook        All right. i should get moving. See you fine folks tomorrow :)
09:37 dcook        Increasingly famous, I suppose
09:37 dcook        [off] activist wife ;)
09:36 kf           famous wife? :)
09:30 dcook        Not that I own a TV, but the channel has a free online stream ^_^
09:29 dcook        Wifey going to be on the TV in an hour...
09:29 dcook        Hmm, I should get moving too
09:25 dcook        ta drojf
09:24 drojf        i should better go and study before the day is over again. see you later, #koha
09:21 dcook        lol
09:20 * drojf      thinks about adding all signoffs he did to his CV
09:17 tweetbot     [off] twitter: @wizzyrea: "Helping, for what motivation? http://t.co/f3rppgAJkn "Just do what you think would be good for the community" #KohaILS"
09:17 magnuse      ooh, good plan!
09:15 drojf        yesterday i felt like "yay, all the energy, let's do things". today i'd like to work from my bed. for five minutes, and then sleep ;)
09:15 tweetbot     OK, now watching for 'kohails'
09:15 mtj          !twadd kohails
09:14 huginn`      kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 17.0°C (11:00 AM CEST on August 27, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1013 hPa (Rising).
09:14 kf           @wunder Konstanz
09:14 kf           pretty cool
09:14 kf           same here
09:14 drojf        *today
09:14 drojf        funny how that reads exactly like yesterday. and yesterday was a nice summer day, toda it's autumn
09:13 huginn`      drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 18.8°C (11:13 AM CEST on August 27, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
09:13 drojf        @wunder berlin, germany
09:13 kf           rangi++
09:06 dcook        I think I might've forgotten to do it earlier..
09:06 dcook        What the hell...peer pressure is fun
09:06 magnuse      dcook: hehe
09:06 dcook        rangi++
09:06 dcook        Mmm, very true
09:06 magnuse      yeah rangi++
09:05 dcook        My wife was talking with a friend in Sweden last night, and the timezones made sense due to all the conversations with you, magnuse ;)
09:05 drojf        rangi++
09:05 dcook        Right..
09:05 dcook        Except that it's only morning there :p
09:05 dcook        mysqlf...the moment when you've been working on databases too long
09:05 magnuse      nope, q was the typo :-)
09:05 dcook        I figured the f was a typo...lol
09:04 drojf        mysqlf. lol
09:04 huginn`      magnuse: Karma for "mysqlf" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1.
09:04 magnuse      @karma mysqlf
09:04 magnuse      myself-- for not documenting things i figure out
09:04 magnuse      mysqlf?!? whut? i must be going mad
09:04 dcook        Intriguing!
09:03 dcook        drojf: I was just thinking that my nonchalance must've carried through in my speech..
09:03 magnuse      mysqlf-- for not documenting things i figure out
09:03 dcook        Personal ones though! So...that's a thing
09:03 dcook        Which always take more time than they should
09:03 dcook        I was catching up on some emails though
09:03 dcook        kf: I probably shouldn't be here
09:03 dcook        magnuse: :P
09:03 * magnuse    thinks dcook should be here for another 5 hours or so
09:00 drojf        yeah, isn't that a strange time for you?
09:00 drojf        "(09:58:18) dac [~dcook@0001b431.user.oftc.net] hat den Raum betreten." kind of gives it away
09:00 kf           dcook: but should you be here? :)
09:00 * kf         had a feeling...
08:59 drojf        and i wondered who that dac person is that i have never seen before but that feels very at home here ;)
08:58 dcook        There we go
08:57 * dac        wonders when that happened..
08:57 dac          Whoa, I am dac...
08:56 kf           dac: yeah.... something like that
08:55 dac          Mmm, I've had some weirdness happen through multiple manipulations of MARC data from one format to another..
08:54 drojf        isn't the livedvd on sourcefourge? that will add extra fun
08:54 kf           still trying to figure out in which step it got confused
08:54 drojf        http://www.gluster.org/2013/08/how-far-the-once-mighty-sourceforge-has-fallen/
08:54 kf           itdid cause a problem for the barcoes - missing part of it
08:53 dac          If it causes problems in raw MARC, gmcharlt might have some ideas
08:53 dac          Maybe in raw MARC..
08:53 dac          It should be irrelevant in MARCXML
08:52 dac          Does it actually cause a problem?
08:51 dac          Wait a minute..
08:51 dac          Hmm
08:51 dac          one dvd on amazon.com
08:50 dac          I could see that coming up in a book title
08:50 dac          What about $ signs in titles?
08:49 drojf        make them stop? :P
08:49 dac          I'm not really sure :(
08:48 dac          Ew..
08:48 kf           some library here using it in barcodes.
08:47 dac          I don't think I've had that come up, but I could see how it would...
08:47 dac          Hmm
08:46 kf           hm, does someone know how to deal with $ in fields in marc21?
08:40 dac          Love it
08:40 dac          "... but we'll probably need to just all get together in one room with Koha and a keg in order to make a decision and get started."
08:40 dac          Favourite quote from a former classmate today
08:31 huginn`      dac: The operation succeeded.
08:31 dac          @later tell jcamins Have I ever mentioned ICA-AtoM to you? You might find it interesting: https://www.ica-atom.org/
08:27 magnuse      koha-shell++ for the convenience
08:19 kf           now we need some kohails news
08:17 mtj          (i thought i'd give it a restart, and see...)
08:16 mtj          hmm, i'm sure the tweetbot has been a little quiet lately… :/
08:16 tweetbot     OK, now watching for 'kohails'
08:16 mtj          !twadd kohails
08:16 tweetbot     OK, now watching for '#kohails'
08:16 mtj          !twadd #kohails
07:57 kf           koha++
07:24 kf           hi magnuse
07:24 dcook        Or swimming..
07:24 dcook        this one looks like stretching.../o
07:24 dcook        o/ kf
07:24 dcook        I really need to see this message..
07:24 dcook        hehe
07:24 magnuse      KIA ORA KF!
07:24 magnuse      pork? is that a new form of spam?
07:23 magnuse      oh noes!
07:22 dcook        The host was playing a song for me :(
07:22 dcook        I just realized that I forgot to listen to the radio today
07:22 dcook        ...
07:12 mtj          ha, thats great
07:07 magnuse      like http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23812365
07:06 mtj          ...results are output via ticker-tape
07:04 mtj          submit your queries via a punchcard reader
07:03 mtj          yep, thats what i was thinking too :o)
07:03 dcook        hehe
07:02 magnuse      lol
07:02 magnuse      a "physical opac" - is that a card catalogue?
07:02 mtj          i bet there are still many libraries that have opacs that look 'steampunk', without the irony :p
07:02 magnuse      you can buy these drab cabinets for self checkout stations, right? what if there was a steampunk version of that, bot for self check and for patron computers...
07:00 magnuse      sure!
07:00 mtj          magnus, a *physical* steampunk OPAC would be great
06:59 magnuse      hiya alex_a and mtj
06:59 mtj          heya mirko, alex_a
06:59 magnuse      moin drojf
06:59 alex_a       bonjour
06:58 drojf        good morning #koha
06:57 magnuse      just 5 degress difference :-)
06:57 huginn`      magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 19.0°C (8:30 AM CEST on August 27, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
06:57 magnuse      @wunder marseille
06:57 huginn`      magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 14.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on August 27, 2013). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady).
06:57 magnuse      @wunder boo
06:57 sophie_m     hello magnuse
06:56 reiveune     salut magnuse :)
06:56 magnuse      gaetan_B: that is some way to great the world ;-)
06:56 magnuse      bonjour reiveune sophie_m gaetan_B
06:56 gaetan_B     :)
06:56 gaetan_B     o
06:56 gaetan_B     hell
06:44 reiveune     \o/
06:44 dcook        hey ya reiveune :)
06:44 dcook        Most important just being things like colours and backgrounds
06:44 wahanui      salut, reiveune
06:44 reiveune     hello
06:44 dcook        Maybe a template that exposed the most important CSS properties?
06:43 mtj          that hits my funny-bone
06:43 magnuse      me too ;-)
06:43 dcook        I wonder how skins are done...
06:42 dcook        I like this idea, magnuse :)
06:42 cait         bbiab
06:40 cait         :)
06:36 * magnuse    saw http://steampunker.de/en/gallery/show/workstation-070010001/ and thought maybe there should be a steampunk skin for koha...
06:08 magnuse      hiya dcook
06:03 dcook        hei magnuse :)
06:02 * magnuse    waves
05:42 * cait       waves
05:41 dcook        hey ya cait :)
04:55 dcook        Nevermind...it was someone who didn't know what they were doing with CSS...
04:45 dcook        ie--
04:43 * mtompset   waves bye to dcook wizzyrea cjh etc, :)
04:43 dcook        wizzyrea: She is catchy!
04:43 dcook        ta mtompset
04:43 mtompset     Have a great day, #koha.
04:37 mtompset     That's a good cover, wizzyrea.
04:31 dcook        hehe
04:24 wizzyrea     well actually it's the only version I really like.
04:19 wizzyrea     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izrL7pBdkaw < is my favorite version
04:19 dcook        I heard the first album years ago but I have never really followed them
04:19 wizzyrea     hahahahahaha
04:19 dcook        I'm sure I must've heard this song before...
04:17 * wizzyrea   is so old
04:17 wizzyrea     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plvpV9p0ywg < the only gorillaz song I know
04:17 dcook        *sigh*
04:17 dcook        The day after you write up your POD and then decide to change how your methods work...
04:16 dcook        Gorillaz. Not Daft Punk.
04:16 dcook        Hmmm, I was wondering why the last few minutes sounded different
04:02 mtompset     Bah, it's more like daemons under RedHat so that Koha is better supported there. :P
03:57 huginn`      wizzyrea: Quote #69: "<schuster> Now if I could only figure out how to control those daemons... or at least the ones in my head..." (added by jwagner at 02:02 PM, March 17, 2010)
03:57 wizzyrea     @quote random
03:57 mtompset     Almost relevant!
03:56 cjh          hahahha
03:56 wahanui      i already had it that way, huginn`.
03:56 huginn`      mtompset: Quote #200: "chris_n: usually the problem is either too much time and not enough cookies or not enough time and too many cookies" (added by wizzyrea at 03:24 PM, April 12, 2012)
03:56 mtompset     @quote random
03:54 wizzyrea     What does a grown man need with 12 frosty pigs?
03:54 mtompset     KellySundin++ # WizzyRea is right, she did a good job of replying.
03:51 wizzyrea     hehe that ad made me laugh
03:42 cjh          wizzyrea++
03:38 rangi        "my soap is not funny"
03:37 rangi        "I say, you too slow, you have crispy duck, sit down!"
03:36 rangi        i love this tv add
03:36 rangi        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UbARVx-cq8&feature=youtu.be
03:31 jcamins      Yep.
03:31 wizzyrea     but the spirit is right
03:31 wizzyrea     there are some technicalities there that aren't entirely correct
03:30 jcamins      wizzyrea: yeah, I thought that was a great message.
03:30 dcook        wizzyrea: Not sure that I saw that. Hmm.
03:29 * dcook      has been on a daft punk kick for the past week or so...can't help but koha to them
03:29 wizzyrea     :D
03:29 dcook        cjh++
03:29 cjh          ty wizzyrea
03:29 * cjh        continues listening to daft punk
03:28 cjh          :o
03:28 wizzyrea     also can I just say, the librarian who called out the chron job person I really want to hug.
03:23 dcook        Quite an appropriate last word, I think
03:22 rangi        http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2013/08/27/helping-for-what-motivation/
03:21 mtompset     link?
03:21 rangi        right that blogpost is my last word on the subject :)
03:07 rangi        yep
03:07 dcook        That's true. I feel bad for the people who use the bad instructions, but hopefully they'll see the links to the good ones and use those instead. That's about the best we can do.
03:05 rangi        and its fairly obvious both the wiki and livedvd person arent listening, so no point scaring others
03:04 rangi        yep
03:04 dcook        In fact, I want to encourage people to talk to us without fear of being shouted down.
03:04 dcook        Like you say, we don't want to come off as ogres.
03:03 rangi        yep
03:03 dcook        rangi: Yeah, I've said my two bits on LinkedIn, and now I'm ready to just post links to koha-community
03:01 rangi        and leave it at that
03:01 rangi        so if hilton insists on posting links to his wiki installation instructions, we just post one to the instructions that actually work
03:00 rangi        the point has been made, it just makes us look surly
03:00 mtompset     okay, sax and locale are going.
03:00 rangi        people should not interact abuot the wrong wiki, except to post a link to the official wiki
03:00 jcamins      rangi: I switched to packages as soon as they were available, so I haven't had to think about SAX parsers.
02:59 rangi        i think from now one
02:59 rangi        also
02:59 mtompset     It's not mentioned on the package installations at all.
02:59 rangi        havent had a problem yet
02:59 wahanui      it has been said that really is off now
02:59 rangi        i havent done the sax parser thing in 3 years
02:59 mtompset     Really?!
02:59 rangi        fwiw
02:59 jcamins      SAX parser might need to be addressed still.
02:59 mtompset     Good... those sections are getting ripped out. :)
02:58 jcamins      Locale has not been an issue in a very long time.
02:58 rangi        nope thats a non issue
02:58 mtompset     Locale
02:58 mtompset     I guess we are no longer worried about the SAXParser.
02:58 mtompset     I'm just trying to wrap my head around "souce based" installs... merging the idea of tarball install and git install into the same set of instructions.
02:57 mtompset     True enough.
02:57 jcamins      Sure, and that's why it's possible. That doesn't mean we need to recommend it.
02:56 mtompset     But some people haven't taken the plunge to build their own packages, but they are familiar with the tarball install.
02:55 mtompset     wizzyrea: I would agree with that.
02:54 wizzyrea     if you're gonna do that you should just build your own packages
02:52 mtompset     We aren't always lucky to have someone maintaining the version prior to oldstable, however.
02:52 mtompset     Hmmm... I just realized there may be a reason I install a tarball koha on a debian-based OS for production -- I want to stick with 3.8.x, even though 3.12.x is current.
02:25 * mtj        adds that to his list of 'things i promised to do for Koha'
02:24 mtj          yep, i'll, at least, have a go at it :)
02:23 jcamins      If you are able to write a unit test, please do.
02:22 mtj          this one feels like a worthy exception
02:16 jcamins      No, we don't usually do unit tests for Perl scripts. It'd be great if we did, but kind of challenging.
02:15 mtj          (i think the feature is missing that, so far)
02:15 mtj          perhaps make a ./t/test.pl to show how its failing
02:11 mtj          i think i might give it a go, and see how far i get...
02:11 jcamins      Thanks.
02:09 mtj          its a very impressive patch
02:04 jcamins      And there are some warnings.
02:04 jcamins      mtj: matchchecks don't work with authorities.
02:04 mtj          yeah, a good point :)
02:03 mtompset     (thankfully, my opinion doesn't matter on this)
02:03 mtompset     Isn't messing up authorities a scary show stopper? ;)
02:02 mtj          s/the/are the/
02:02 mtj          jcamins,  the known problems scary show-stoppers?
02:00 jcamins      Ah. I would certainly be happy to see that.
01:59 mtj          yeah… i was thinking i could help
01:58 jcamins      I'll fix it when I can, but it's not going to be in time for any migrations you're currently working on.
01:57 mtj          (i left a little note on the bug asking Tomas for that info)
01:57 mtj          ah, ok
01:51 jcamins      No, because he didn't write them up.
01:51 mtj          looks like tcohen's problems didn't get added to the bug
01:41 jcamins      Which need to be addressed.
01:41 jcamins      Yeah, tcohen started testing it and ran into some problems.
01:41 mtj          woah, looks impressive
01:41 mtompset     pimp that bug, baby. ;)
01:40 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7419 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Add authority deduplication script
01:40 jcamins      What might help would be bug 7419.
01:39 jcamins      That's for matching bibs against authorities.
01:39 mtj          was very handy :)
01:39 jcamins      Yeah, but that's not going to help.
01:39 mtj          i did spot this too -> http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Bug7284_authority_matching_improvement
01:37 jcamins      Right.
01:37 mtj          heya jcamins, thanks for the info
01:37 mtompset     -- unless you provide a patch? ;)
01:37 jcamins      Really.
01:37 jcamins      It won't work.
01:36 mtj          but, i did also note that ./bulkmarcimport has a --match='245a/title' arg
01:36 jcamins      mtj: yeah, deal with it outside of Koha.
01:35 mtj          -> http://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2011-January/027342.html
01:35 mtj          i spotted a list thread from 2011 where the solution seemed to be to handle this problem outside of koha
01:33 mtj          hi all, does anyone have any experience about handling duplicated auth records, when importing…?
01:27 mtompset     My Filipino family and friends are talking about this senator involved in this mess.
01:26 mtompset     rangi: It isn't about scrapping pork. It's about government kick-backs.
01:17 dcook        O_o
01:17 rangi        not unless you want to scrap pork
01:17 dcook        I'm sure I'm not missing anything :p
01:16 dcook        Hmm, I never did see the petition one in the end
01:16 rangi        without telling you
01:16 rangi        that looks like one of those dumb ones that sends mail to everyone in your address book
00:53 cjh          ww
00:53 cjh          lastlog  -clar
00:53 dcook        I really should set up a bouncer one of these days...
00:53 dcook        Hmm, I wasn't here for that :p
00:52 mtompset     Hence the comment by oleonard about not warning rangi to not check his emails earlier.
00:51 dcook        I almost would've done better not reading my emails...
00:22 * dcook      takes a look
00:22 dcook        I only get the digests so it might not have arrived yet
00:20 mtompset     Check your email. You'll see why I called it that.
00:20 dcook        That sounds familiar
00:20 dcook        Petition spam?
00:20 mtompset     Looks like we got petition spam. :(
00:17 mtompset     not sure.
00:03 dcook        Cool beans. I tweaked the host file at home as it was just easier. I assume that they're just experimenting as well?
00:02 mtompset     (just like the instructions said to do, if you get stuck)
00:02 mtompset     It was the "explain the tweak hosts file" guy. I explained a little, and suggested he talk with his IT guy. Now he worked through that step with help from his system administrator. :)
00:00 dcook        Nice one, mtompset :)