IRC log for #koha, 2013-08-05

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00:01 vinz3g joined #koha
00:01 vinz3g hola
00:01 vinz3g i need help con koha translate
00:02 vinz3g the command "koha-translate"no function en koha 3.13
00:02 bgkriegel vinz3g: Hi, what kind of help?
00:03 vinz3g I installed ubuntu 12.04 lts and the instructions for translate koha at the spanish
00:03 bgkriegel Koha 3.13? where you get that from? Last release is 3.12.3
00:03 bgkriegel you installed with packages?
00:04 vinz3g but Koha version:
00:04 vinz3g im using version dev
00:05 bgkriegel Oh
00:05 bgkriegel well, in a dev install you cant use koha-translate
00:06 bgkriegel go to misc/translator and run "perl translate install es-ES"
00:07 vinz3g ah!
00:07 bgkriegel vinz3g: you speak spanish?
00:07 vinz3g yes
00:07 vinz3g im sorry bad english
00:07 vinz3g :)
00:07 bgkriegel bueno, esas son las instrucciones, desde el directorio donde tienes el repositorio
00:08 vinz3g ah gracias
00:08 bgkriegel :)
00:08 bgkriegel prueba y me dices
00:08 vinz3g una pregunta a lo mejor y vuelvo a instalar
00:08 vinz3g mientras instalaba y seguia las instrucciones
00:08 vinz3g me pregunto si debia instalar dev, standar y uno mas
00:08 bgkriegel single
00:08 vinz3g segun las instrucciones debia de poner deb
00:08 vinz3g dev
00:09 bgkriegel que es lo que quieres hacer, desarrollo?
00:09 vinz3g esa no es la que sirve para producción verdad?
00:09 vinz3g no
00:09 bgkriegel no, no debes utilizar esa forma de instalar en produccion
00:09 vinz3g ok
00:09 bgkriegel lo mejor es instalar por paquetes
00:10 bgkriegel[…]ubuntu_-_packages
00:10 vinz3g ah si?
00:10 vinz3g sin todo el rollo?
00:10 bgkriegel asi es :)
00:10 vinz3g ok, voy a probar
00:11 vinz3g y luego desinstalo
00:11 bgkriegel Ok
00:12 wizzyrea instalar por paquetes is <reply>[…]ubuntu_-_packages
00:12 * wizzyrea hopes that is a sensible thing to do
00:12 bgkriegel :)
00:12 jcamins wizzyrea: only if there's a Spanish speaker who knows how to spell it around. :)
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00:13 wizzyrea :)
00:13 vinz3g ja ja
00:15 vinz3g <bgkriegel> gracias si funciono
00:16 vinz3g ya había hecho esto con la versión 3.10
00:16 vinz3g en aquella ocasión no fue tan fácil tenía que declarar las variables
00:17 bgkriegel good :)
00:17 vinz3g bueno ahora que ya me quite la espina a desinstalar esta versión
00:17 vinz3g por aqui sigo
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00:44 jenkins_koha Starting build #175 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
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01:25 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #175: SUCCESS in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_3.10.x/175/
01:25 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10527: remove disused routine C4::Branch::get_branch_code_from_name
01:25 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10504: Remove the unused C4::Acq::ModOrderItem routine
01:25 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10556: The delivery time is not inserted on adding a supplier.
01:25 jenkins_koha * Adrien Saurat: Bug 10170: strings in MARC import made translatable
01:25 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10170: expose more managed staged MARC strings to translation
01:25 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10527 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , C4::Branch::get_branch_code_from_name is useless
01:25 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10504 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , C4::Acquisition::ModOrderItem is unused
01:25 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10556 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , deliverytime is not inserted on adding a supplier
01:25 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10170 minor, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Stable , non translatable strings in manage-marc-import (actions and table values)
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02:30 mtj hi #koha, is anyone out there building koha-3.10 packages.. running squeeze?
02:30 mtj ...or has everyone upgraded to wheezy already :)
02:31 wizzyrea the first question?
02:31 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?"
02:31 mtj hey liz
02:31 wizzyrea hiyassss
02:31 mtj i'm trying to build a koha-3.10 package.. running squeeze
02:32 wizzyrea and you're not having success?
02:32 mtj no, i get an error
02:32 mtj dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: liblibrary-callnumber-lc-perl
02:32 mtj W: Unmet build-dependency in source
02:33 mtj ...and that missing package only exists in wheezy
02:33 mtj[…]allnumber-lc-perl
02:33 mtj so… looks like i need to upgrade my box to wheezy before i success here?
02:34 mtj (just gonna try on a wheezy box now)
02:34 jcamins mtj: or backport liblibrary-callnumber-lc-perl.
02:36 mtj i didnt check on, to see if the package existed there
02:36 rangi nope
02:36 rangi its already there
02:36 rangi on
02:36 mtj bah
02:38 mtj thanks for spotting that chris :)
02:38 mtj ive just run 'apt-get update', (forgot to do that step)
02:39 mtj still get a 'missing dep' error
02:41 mtj oooh, i got it :)
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03:00 dcook magnuse++ #This gist was really helpful!
03:06 wizzyrea I thought F in reserves meant "found" not "finished"
03:06 rangi filled
03:06 wizzyrea filled!
03:07 rangi w = waiting (aka found)
03:07 wizzyrea err
03:07 rangi you shouldnt have anything with F in your reserves table
03:07 rangi they should all be in old_reserves
03:08 rangi in modern koha anyway
03:10 mtj does anyone have a preference for using 'squeeze' or 'squeeze-dev' for pkg-building stuff… in a prod situation?
03:12 mtj my hunch is i should not be using 'dev' anything, for this… but was curious about what others may have used
03:12 jcamins mtj: generally I use packages based on the released versions.
03:12 jcamins And by "generally" I mean "I can think of no exception."
03:12 mtj yes, me too
03:13 mtj (i'm attempting to build a 3.10.9 on squeeze)
03:13 wizzyrea you're just doing it from a git checkout?
03:14 rangi isnt there already a 3.10.9 on squeeze released?
03:14 mtj …but i'm still getting a tricky dependency error from aptitude
03:14 rangi probably your pbuilder has the wrong sources
03:15 mtj yep, but… i'm adding 2 local patches to the 3.10.9 repo
03:15 mtj rangi, yep i think so too
03:16 mtj just experimenting with diff pbuilder sources now
03:28 mtj rangi, thanks, looks like that fixed it  ^^ :)
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04:19 dcook Any Catalyst folks around to give tips on using the web service to import bibs?
04:20 wizzyrea define tips?
04:20 dcook Good point
04:20 wizzyrea the first question?
04:20 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?"
04:20 wizzyrea besides the obvious stated one ;)
04:21 wizzyrea which I would interpret as "I want to import bibs into koha using the web interface"
04:21 wizzyrea is there a specific problem you are trying to solve?
04:21 dcook Well, I'm importing DC records from an OAI-PMH repository, transforming them to MARC21 using a XSLT, and now I need to feed them into Koha...preferably in a batch mode that allows for easy tracking/reversal
04:22 wizzyrea ok, and you are wanting to use the stage marc records for import?
04:22 dcook I'm thinking that's the best way to do it. Yep.
04:22 wizzyrea have you tried it?
04:22 wizzyrea it might Just Work.
04:22 dcook Nope. Don't even know where to start.
04:23 wizzyrea Tools -> Stage MARC records for import
04:23 dcook Ah, well, I wanted it to be more automated than that
04:23 dcook So that someone presses a button, and then they go to "Manage staged MARC records"
04:24 wizzyrea oh, you mean like the connexion client
04:24 dcook Although I suppose I could try using Tools -> Stage MARC records for import to see if it handles MARCXML and not just MARC...
04:24 dcook wizzyrea: Maybe?
04:24 wahanui Maybe is a momentaneous error
04:24 wizzyrea http://manual.koha-community.o[…]oclcappendix.html
04:25 wizzyrea you might be able to modify this to your purposes
04:26 dcook Hmm, possibly. Very possibly.
04:26 dcook Thanks wizzyrea ^_^
04:26 dcook wizzyrea++
04:26 wizzyrea yep yw :)
04:27 dcook Hmm maybe not..
04:30 wizzyrea http://manual.koha-community.o[…]desktopsetup.html < how you configure to connect to it
04:31 wizzyrea sounds like you just want to do what the connexion client does, but not with connexion (to me)
04:31 dcook Pretty much, I think
04:32 dcook I'm looking at the import_bib script again
04:33 dcook Trying to figure out what params it wants
04:33 bgkriegel dcook: do you have your records in a file? you could convert to marc using yaz-marcdump -i marcxml -o marc file.marcxml > file.marc
04:34 dcook Eww
04:34 dcook No offense, bgkriegel, but that seems rather backwards :S
04:34 bgkriegel hehe, no problem :)
04:34 dcook I'm retrieving them via an OAI-PMH web service, so they're just in memory until I do something with them
04:34 wizzyrea I don't think Koha ingests marcxml through the web interface yet, but I could completely be wrong about that.
04:35 dcook It should. I imagine it might only ingest marcxml actually
04:35 dcook Yep, looks like just marcxml
04:36 wizzyrea then no, I don't have any tips for you ;)
04:36 dcook hehe, you've helped heaps, Liz :)
04:37 dcook I think this might do the trick
04:37 dcook I'm sure magnuse will have more info, as it was his idea originally
04:37 dcook Well, using the web service API at least
04:37 dcook This project has both been easier and harder than I originally anticipated
04:38 dcook Oh...I just had an idea for a matching rule using OAI-PMH identifiers..
04:38 dcook On one hand, I want to design this thing well. On the other hand, it's tempting to just get a working prototype and then work from there
04:39 wizzyrea perfect is the enemy of good
04:39 dcook True as
04:40 dcook You're the second person to mention that to me in the past few months. Maybe I should inscribe that over my desk.
04:40 dcook Huh...I never noticed how bare those walls are up there
04:42 dcook Hmm, except this web service API requires cookies and it seems a bit silly to use HTTP to do this job..
04:42 dcook This should be more of a hand-off than a throw..
04:44 dcook But I think I can use the same ideas..
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05:04 dcook Oh my...I do believe I almost got it working...
05:07 dcook Blearghhh
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05:18 dcook Mind you, maybe staged management is silly...and it's best to just auto-import into the catalogue...
05:18 * dcook waves to cait
05:21 cait :)
05:56 rangi bwahaha
05:56 rangi encrypt unnessecarily and waste resources :)
05:56 rangi thats about the most nonsensical thing ive heard for ages
05:56 rangi evening all
05:57 dcook O_o
05:57 dcook evening rangi
05:59 cait evening rangi
05:59 cait and huh? :)
05:59 rangi you'll see
05:59 rangi (on the list)
06:00 * bag goes to check
06:00 cait oh.
06:00 cait OH.
06:01 bag :)
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06:25 dcook Eww oai_marc...
06:25 dcook[…]ines-oai_marc.htm
06:25 dcook LoC strongly discouraged its use after 2002 at least...
06:25 cait @wunder konstanz
06:25 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 19.1°C (8:25 AM CEST on August 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
06:28 dcook cait: How familiar are you with the 035 system control number field?
06:29 dcook I'm trying to think of the best place to put this OAI-PMH identifier...
06:31 cait dcook: hm?
06:32 cait i think oyu need an identifier
06:32 cait for the source
06:32 cait and the id
06:32 cait i think both go in 035
06:32 dcook Yeah, it looks like it takes the form of: $a(source)identifier
06:32 cait you could also put it in 001 (additionally)
06:32 cait and... there is a matching field for the source there
06:33 dcook You mean the 001/003?
06:33 cait koha doesn't use 001 right now really, although we probably should have a way to set a number there automatically
06:33 dcook Agreed. The 001 probably should be taking the 999$c
06:33 cait well not for us
06:33 cait but for some people
06:33 dcook Actually, I was thinking about your situation...
06:33 cait i am happy having our union catalog id in 001 because i have to match on that
06:33 dcook How do you keep your union catalogue synced?
06:34 cait importing every night currently
06:34 cait all the changed and updated records
06:34 cait using the command line version of the staged marc record
06:35 dcook Sounds complicated
06:35 cait i treally isn't
06:35 cait it's fully automated and works nicely
06:35 dcook Yeah?
06:35 dcook Neato!
06:36 dcook I'm contemplating how best to set up this OAI-PMH harvesting..
06:36 dcook I've successfully gone from Point A to Point B
06:36 cait but if there was oai harvesting.. maybe that could be  a way to do it more instantly
06:36 cait instead of nightly
06:36 dcook Exported a record out of Koha as oai_dc, harvested it, transformed it from oai_dc to marcxml, then fed it back into Koha through the import_batches
06:36 cait dcook: why do you need to put the id somewhere?
06:36 cait why not just import the records as they are?
06:37 dcook Mainly, I'm thinking for matching
06:37 cait so what if they already have 001 set?
06:37 dcook In that case, it would be fine, so long as you had a 001 matching rule, me thinks
06:38 cait have to run :)
06:38 cait bbiab
06:38 dcook see you! :)
06:45 * magnuse waves
06:45 dcook hey ya magnuse :)
06:45 magnuse g'day dcook
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07:04 bag heya magnuse
07:04 wahanui magnuse is a Norwegian giant.
07:04 magnuse kia ora bag
07:04 bag well tall but maybe not a giant
07:04 bag :)
07:04 magnuse :-)
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07:18 bag hey matts
07:18 matts hi !
07:18 kf hi matts and bag
07:18 kf :)
07:18 kf good morning #koha
07:19 bag heya kf
07:21 magnuse hiya kf and matts
07:21 magnuse @wunder marseille
07:21 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 26.0°C (9:00 AM CEST on August 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising).
07:21 magnuse @wunder boo
07:21 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 16.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on August 05, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Rising).
07:22 magnuse heh
07:22 magnuse @wunder konstanz
07:22 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 21.0°C (9:00 AM CEST on August 05, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Falling).
07:23 kf @wunder Konstanz
07:23 huginn` kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 21.0°C (9:00 AM CEST on August 05, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Falling).
07:23 kf oh
07:23 kf it feels a lot warmer
07:24 magnuse ouch
07:25 kf yeah, i already want to take another shower :(
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07:29 magnuse bonjour sophie_m
07:30 sophie_m hello magnuse
07:30 sophie_m hi #koha
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07:33 kf bonjour sophie_m and paul_p
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07:33 christophe_c hello #koha
07:34 kf hi christophe_c :)
07:34 sophie_m Guten Morgen kf
07:35 christophe_c hello kf ;-)
07:35 kf :)
07:35 kf happy librarian :)
07:37 dcook :D
07:38 dcook Maybe I should encourage her to send patches into the community..
07:38 dcook She's running our code but has her own server, so it's possible...
07:39 kf :)
07:40 dcook Murrr...I should go home
07:42 kf go home!
07:43 dcook Maybe I'll just write some quick notes to myself...:p
07:44 * kf glares at dcook pointing at the door
07:48 dcook Notes made ^_^
07:49 dcook Since Koha uses datestamps that have date and time...we could potentially use OAI-PMH to update your union catalogue much more regularly than nightly...
07:49 dcook I'm just going to have to make sure that I put a lot of checks in...
07:50 dcook Anyway, that's for tomorrow!
07:50 dcook Have a good day, kf :). And everyone else!
07:50 kf dcook++ :)
07:50 magnuse yeah dcook++
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08:50 magnuse bonjour paul_p - back from holiday?
08:51 paul_p hi magnuse yep. for one week, then 2 new weeks AFK !
08:51 magnuse yay!
08:51 magnuse afk++
08:52 paul_p (including one not really holiday, because my loved wife is working again as midwife after 10 years of taking care of the family, so I'll take care of the childrens ;-) )
08:52 magnuse hehe
08:55 kf paul_p: hope she has a good start :)
08:55 magnuse yeah
08:56 magnuse it must be quite a change for the whole family too...
08:57 paul_p kf = she had an awful one in fact. The midwife manager phone her after her first day, saying it was a really special day, with sooo much work. My wife made 2 more days already, and they were much smoother ;-)
08:57 paul_p magnuse & kf = do you plan to come to KohaCon13 ?
08:57 kf paul_p: hopefully it will stay that way than - wish her good luck from us? :)
08:58 kf paul_p: all booked :)
08:58 magnuse paul_p: sadly not :-(
10:50 magnuse the horror, the horror...
10:50 kf hm?
10:59 magnuse working with MARC data...
11:03 kf oh
11:03 * kf sends cookies
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11:05 kf release schedule?
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11:20 magnuse yay, staff client is 100% translated to swedish
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12:09 oleonard Hi #koha
12:13 kf hi oleonard
12:13 kf @wunder Konstanz
12:13 huginn` kf: Error: timed out
12:13 kf hm boo
12:13 kf release schedule is[…]gmcharlt#Timeline
12:14 kf release schedule?
12:14 wahanui release schedule is[…]gmcharlt#Timeline
12:20 oleonard Not much time
12:20 kf time runs fast yes
12:21 kf and lots of big things stuck in qa :(
12:22 * oleonard is looking at Bug 9811
12:22 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9811 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Patrons search improvements
12:22 oleonard Uh oh, the browse by last name links don't work at all.
12:23 oleonard Oh wait, is it just thinking really hard? I see the "processing" message...
12:23 kf i think it's thinking really har
12:23 kf d
12:23 kf at least it worked for me yestrday hm.
12:24 kf probably a silly question - but did you shift reload?
12:24 kf javascript caused lots of weirdness the first time i tried it out
12:24 oleonard I just did
12:24 magnuse i tried the browse links on 3.12.3 this morning and they seemed to work fine
12:24 kf oleonard++ # thx for taking a look :)
12:24 oleonard I'm testing Bug 9811 magnuse
12:25 oleonard So when you first load it tries to load a batch of records? Based on what criteria?
12:25 kf based on indybranches i think all or your own
12:26 magnuse ah, never mind me
12:28 oleonard Looking at the POST data in the console suggests that it's trying to load all the patron records.
12:28 kf hm
12:28 oleonard I would expect the browser to have locked up if it were having trouble processing all that data though
12:28 kf see... i knew you woudl spot something :)
12:29 kf oleonard: i think the processing is done server side... but not sure
12:29 oleonard Over 62000 patrons by the way.
12:29 kf aweseome :)
12:29 kf seriously - i only had the sample data and it's great to get it tested with that many
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12:32 tcohen morning #koha
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12:34 kf hi tcohen
12:34 kf @wunder Konstanz
12:34 huginn` kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 28.4°C (2:30 PM CEST on August 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 21.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
12:35 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina
12:35 huginn` tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 15.0°C (9:00 AM ART on August 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
12:41 tcohen kf, got your email, downloading right now
12:43 kf ah ok
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13:24 tcohen is there any documentation on the desired behaviour of reserves? any use case analysis doc?
13:25 kf tcohen: nope - black hole
13:25 kf and we really really need more tests...
13:26 kf hm well i think we got some tests for buildholdsqueue and the transportcostmatrix
13:26 druthb @excuse
13:26 huginn` druthb: My excuse for today is "El Nino"
13:26 * druthb thinks that's a good one.
13:26 oleonard tcohen: What do you mean by desired behavior?
13:26 kf bug 10663 triggered it I guess :)
13:26 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10663 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Holds never block renewals
13:27 kf tcohen++
13:27 tcohen if someone fills a bug, how can i know it is a bug instead of a feature?
13:27 kf tcohen: i think librrians expect it to work in some way... which is not a good way to determine
13:27 kf and 'it has always worked like that' maybe
13:28 kf which is also quite horrible
13:28 wahanui okay, kf.
13:28 kf lol
13:28 kf which?
13:28 wahanui somebody said which was quite horrible
13:28 oleonard "It has always worked that way" is the same as "There has been a consensus that it should work this way" with regard to a lot of functionality
13:29 tcohen i'm fine with 'it has always worked like that', guess we'll have to document it for posterity
13:29 kf yeah... but having documented behaviour and use cases would be nicer :(
13:29 tcohen i'm not asking for that docs, i'm just trying to catch up with the bug circumstances
13:29 kf tcohen: hm i guess if your tests pass on a commit pre the rewrite and 3.12 we coudl assume that we have reverted it enough for now
13:30 tcohen and will document it myself once we get it sorted
13:30 kf and making the tests on CanBookBeRenewed
13:30 kf and CheckReserve - CheckReserveStatus has obvious holes, but it could be used for determining waiting status and item level hold status - but we woudl need to actually document that it's not suitable for anything else
13:31 kf hm GetReserveStatus
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14:00 jenkins_koha Starting build #1345 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1338 11 days ago)
14:03 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10671: correct minor issues in course reserves help <[…]8ca54eb943e41b261> / Bug 10671: Help files for course reserves <[…]6982cedf6f13252a3>
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14:21 oleonard Yes, Internet Explorer, I didn't mean for you to navigate to localhost:8888, I meant to search for it. That makes perfect sense.
14:22 oleonard A feature, I assume, for stopping potential security problems you can't otherwise prevent
14:23 jcamins oleonard: same thing for IP addresses, as I recall. You must add the http:// at the beginning and / at the end.
14:24 druthb wahanui:  botsnack IE programmers
14:24 wahanui thanks druthb :)
14:30 oleonard Gawd, IE, why are you so UGLY?!
14:31 kf @wunder Konstanz
14:31 huginn` kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 29.6°C (4:30 PM CEST on August 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
14:31 kf can't be true ... i am melting away
14:36 oleonard @wunder 45701
14:36 huginn` oleonard: The current temperature in OHDOT 31-Athens County Garage, Athens, Ohio is 20.6°C (9:51 AM EDT on August 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1020 hPa (Falling).
14:36 oleonard Unusually cool here for August
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14:49 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #25: STILL UNSTABLE in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/master_maria/25/
14:49 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10671: Help files for course reserves
14:49 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10671: correct minor issues in course reserves help
14:49 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10671 normal, P5 - low, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , Koha 3.14 Help Files Update
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15:11 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10671: Help files for course reserves
15:11 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10671: correct minor issues in course reserves help
15:12 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10671 normal, P5 - low, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , Koha 3.14 Help Files Update
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15:31 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
15:39 druthb Hi, mtompset.
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15:40 mtompset Greetings, druthb. How are you?
15:41 druthb Meh.  I'm here.  Not very perky today.
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16:17 mtompset I know that feeling, druthb. Just working on screenshots and text for demonstration of the login patch I've got working in our QA system. :)
16:18 mtompset I must be hungry. For a minute there I thought I saw, " for long pastries".
16:21 druthb lunch just arrived, here.  It's Mexican, today.
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16:51 rambutan Interesting read for javascripters:[…]d-freedom-hosting
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17:17 pianohacker Thankfully the actual shellcode isn't _too_ malicious:[…]at_the_shellcode/
17:26 pianohacker gmcharlt: Did I answer your questions on bug 10320?
17:26 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10320 enhancement, P4, ---, jweaver, Failed QA , Show results from library's OverDrive collection in OPAC search
17:26 gmcharlt pianohacker: yes, thanks
17:27 pianohacker okay, cool. Slowly getting back into the Koha groove, so wasn't sure I had the details down
17:31 pianohacker gmcharlt: How's your day going?
17:31 gmcharlt just fine
17:31 gmcharlt you?
17:32 mtompset Greetings, rambutan pianohacker gmcharlt.
17:33 pianohacker pretty good, just a slow monday
17:33 rambutan mtompset: greetings
17:45 tcohen Why the *** doesn't the AddReserve method return either the reserve id or the relevat reserve object?
17:49 * mtompset smirks.
17:50 mtompset tcohen: Because someone wasn't thinking when they wrote it? ;)
17:50 tcohen yes yes, i should be quiet instead of whining on the open, sorry for that
17:51 tcohen i mean, complaining
17:51 oleonard Who knows perhaps someone might have confessed to the crime
17:52 tcohen its jst too rude
17:52 mtompset Actually, because perhaps the person who wrote it the first time assumed that the calling function would check the reserves to see if it failed, because it was only called in one place at the time?
17:53 mtompset I know it seems dumb to do it that way, but it at least would make sense of what became a potential mess? Just a thought.
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18:17 * magnuse waves
18:19 pianohacker Has anyone upgraded their Koha install to 2.4 yet? I'm getting odd "access denied by server configuration" errors
18:20 jcamins 2.4 what?
18:20 pianohacker sorry, Apache
18:20 jcamins Ah. No.
18:29 mtompset 2.4 isn't available via packages, except in Jessie or Sid, as far as I can tell. And why would you want to install from source?
18:30 tcohen 2.4 is coming in 13.10, and should be available to wheeze-dev
18:30 pianohacker mtompset: My personal/dev machine is running Jessie
18:30 pianohacker honestly, how could I not?
18:31 magnuse tee hee
18:31 mtompset really, tcohen?
18:31 jcamins pianohacker: Agreed. It would just seem wrong for you not to be.
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19:25 oleonard I wonder if libraries who display the barcode in the OPAC really need that barcode to appear in its own sortable column...
19:25 * magnuse thinks not
19:28 mtompset sort on barcode?
19:28 mtompset We like to display it, but I haven't had someone ask for it to be sorted.
19:29 oleonard mtompset: I'm looking in particular in the OPAC at the logged-in user's summary page (
19:29 oleonard That table gets very wide if you have a long barcode showing
19:30 pianohacker oleonard: Perhaps some automatic &shy; insertion?
19:30 oleonard In a barcode?
19:30 mtompset define "long"?
19:30 * jcamins agrees with magnuse.
19:31 oleonard mtompset: 14 digits
19:33 mtompset Well, my summary is quite empty, let me get a checkout done here... I would suspect if it is easier to make it sortable than unsortable, I'd go easier, though sortable seems like overkill to me.
19:37 oleonard I'm tempted to put it into the "title" table cell in order to cut down on the number of columns
19:38 mtompset oooo.... no, don't do that.
19:38 mtompset barcode on its own is nice.
19:38 jcamins mtompset: why?
19:39 mtompset there's something about reading a heading "barcode" and seeing the column that makes finding the barcode easier than putting in with the title.
19:40 mtompset That's just my gut feeling.
19:40 jcamins mtompset: okay, but why should any of us care about that?
19:40 jcamins Including you.
19:41 mtompset don't we checkout by barcode?
19:41 jcamins In the OPAC list of items a patron has out?
19:41 jcamins No.
19:42 mtompset I suppose only a staffer would care about barcode.
19:42 mtompset A general patron probably wouldn't.
19:45 mtompset Hmmm... that's interestng. I checked out a lost book, and upon check-in, it is available.
19:45 oleonard That is to be expected mtompset
19:46 mtompset shouldn't there be a warning about checking out a lost book?
19:46 mtompset But that is expected, if you checked out a book and checked it back in.
19:46 oleonard Oh maybe. The part which I would have expected was the availability upon checkin
19:47 oleonard What is the circulation staff supposed to do with the knowledge that the item was lost?
19:47 oleonard ...during checkout?
19:47 mtompset Tell their supervisor a lost book was found? :)
19:48 mtompset Check to make sure they typed in the correct barcode?
19:49 oleonard Those don't sound like plausible examples to me.
19:50 mtompset mistyping a barcode is not plausible?
19:50 mtompset Not everyone has scanners.
19:51 oleonard Under what circumstances should you distrust a barcode entry?
19:51 oleonard You could just as easily have mis-typed a barcode from another available book.
19:52 mtompset True enough, I suppose. But if an item is marked lost, don't that increase the chances of a typo?
19:52 jcamins Not really, no.
19:53 jcamins Unless a significant percentage of your collection is marked lost as a euphemism for "we don't own this."
19:53 jcamins In which case you're doing it wrong.
19:53 mtompset So, you are telling me that people mark books lost willy nilly, and that they constantly find them?
19:54 jcamins Not willy-nilly, just when the books aren't truly lost, yes.
19:54 jcamins One of the more common cases is where a patron walks out with a book that wasn't checked out properly to them.
19:54 jcamins Someone else wants the book, requests a search, and when it's not found it's marked lost.
19:55 mtompset Then the person returns it.
19:55 jcamins Then the original patron returns the book.
19:55 jcamins Exactly.
19:55 jcamins Based on my experiences at one of the large universities here in the city, about 10% of the books that leave a library like that have not actually been checked out.
19:56 mtompset Really? That's higher than I would have expected.
19:56 jcamins And I've worked with a library that complains of rates much higher.
19:56 jcamins Their students have a 25% misscan rate.
19:56 jcamins (they say)
19:57 mtompset 25%?!
19:58 jcamins They didn't know it was possible to turn on checksumming in their barcode scanners.
19:58 jcamins So the scanner was beeping and the students were giving patrons the books, even though a quarter of the time it was a misscan.
19:59 jcamins I recommended turning on checksumming so the scanner won't beep when it doesn't scan properly.
19:59 mtompset And that's with barcode scanners. I'm worried about our case which is more of a people have to type it.
20:01 jcamins Unfortunately, the only solution is to teach your circ staff to *actually check that the book they have matches what comes up*.
20:05 oleonard Now that's crazy-talk
20:05 * mtompset smirks.
20:09 * oleonard threatens to assign Bug 4461 to jcamins since it was his idea
20:09 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4461 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Context-sensitive report a problem screen
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20:14 jcamins bug 4461
20:14 jcamins Oh.
20:14 jcamins I do it with JS.
20:14 oleonard Hi SherryS
20:16 druthb jcamins:  Do it with lisp!
20:16 jcamins $('#link').click(function () { window.location = '/path/to/context-sensitive-form?url=' + window.location.href; }) for anyone wondering.
20:21 oleonard Later #koha
20:26 mtompset How does that JS put a link on the page?
20:27 jcamins mtompset: it doesn't. That's the context part.
20:28 mtompset Do you use JS to put the link on the page in one of the OPAC system preferences?
20:28 jcamins Yeah.
20:29 mtompset druthb++ # nice xkcd. :)
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20:50 * wizzyrea waves
20:51 mtompset Greetingd, wizzyrea. :)
20:51 mtompset Greetings, nengard. :)
20:51 wizzyrea hi and bye
20:51 nengard hi
20:52 mtompset Nice reports permission in koha blurb.
20:57 wizzyrea nengard you should have rights to update that page in the website
20:57 wizzyrea but I think probably better just to not put the version on there.
20:58 wizzyrea because let's be honest - everybody's demo has their own special sauce on it and could hardly be called a canonical demo of stock Koha.
20:59 nengard i didn't try to update the page, was just trying to get the people with demos to update their own info :)
20:59 nengard but i think we had the version on there so we could see which demo was which
20:59 nengard so you could pick the one best for you
20:59 nengard i'm not picky though
20:59 nengard whatever everyone decides
20:59 wizzyrea no, there was no good reason except that is how it was when the previous owners had the site
21:00 jcamins I have a suggestion: remove the page, and link to the wiki.
21:00 jcamins Then people other than wizzyrea and nengard can update the page if they so desire.
21:00 nengard works for me
21:00 nengard alright i'm out for the day
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21:03 * magnuse agrees with jcamins
21:03 mtompset jcamins++ # good idea regarding the demo page.
21:05 wizzyrea mmm not sure I agree with that. In fact, I'd rather we didn't do vendor based demos at all. But since that's what we've got... that's what we've got.
21:07 jcamins wizzyrea: it seems to me that if we're going to be advertising the demos, at least the information should be somewhere that the people who have access to the information have access to.
21:07 wizzyrea yea, I would rather we had a stock only demo Koha
21:08 magnuse wizzyrea: is there an alternative to "vendor based demos"?
21:08 wizzyrea and the vendors can advertise their demos on the wiki.
21:08 jcamins I imagine that magnuse's demo is stock only, since it auto-updates every night.
21:08 magnuse yup
21:08 mtompset magnuse++ # cheers for basic defaults. :)
21:08 magnuse is master
21:09 magnuse runs off the same package install as my customers, which is currently the official packages
21:09 wizzyrea then we should use yours ;)
21:10 magnuse but it's normarc, which might come as a surpris to some ;-)
21:10 wizzyrea sorry I have to run away
21:10 wizzyrea bbl
21:12 magnuse and i need some sleep - see ya in ~9!
21:16 rangi morning
21:25 mtompset Greetings, rangi. :)
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23:19 tcohen cait?
23:19 wahanui cait: go to bed
23:19 cait :)
23:19 cait yeah?
23:19 tcohen did u get my email?
23:19 mtompset Greetings, cait. :)
23:19 cait hm work mail?
23:20 cait can't access that now
23:20 cait too late
23:20 tcohen np, its just that you were right
23:20 tcohen i sent you a pointer to my github, so u see how i fixed it
23:20 mtompset She frequently is. :)
23:21 tcohen i'm stuck writing the unit tests
23:21 tcohen because the whole scenario is not straightforward to build
23:21 mtompset YUCK! Those necessary evils.
23:21 cait tcohen++
23:21 cait i will look now if you got the link?
23:22 tcohen
23:22 tcohen
23:22 tcohen[…]8eafffe35af03c5e5
23:23 cait hm running out of battery on the tablet
23:23 cait might be right back
23:24 cait tcohen: cool fix :) 3 lines
23:24 cait :)
23:25 tcohen[…]5470f494614d96a21
23:25 tcohen ^^^ this is what I need to re-check
23:25 cait i am not at work tomorrow - so can't test
23:25 cait but maybe wednesday, i hope
23:26 tcohen np cait
23:26 tcohen i'll try to make some advance on the unit tests
23:26 cait :)
23:26 cait you are a hero :)
23:26 tcohen i'm missing proper circ rules i guess
23:26 cait and do i spot my name there in the tests?
23:26 cait :)
23:27 tcohen Mrs Reservation, Katrin
23:27 cait heh yes
23:27 cait not sure, but maybe could reuse some of the scenarios i had for checkreserve status?
23:27 cait like... item level hold.. no hold, 2 items, one with item level hold, etc.
23:28 mtompset tcohen++ # nice use of names. ;)
23:28 tcohen right, i'll do that cait
23:28 tcohen thanks
23:29 cait no thx to you
23:29 cait that gave me a lot of headache
23:31 mtompset is autocommit off and rollback all that are needed for a test to not change the DB?!
23:31 jcamins mtompset: yes.
23:32 cait quite easy once someone came up with that idea :)
23:32 cait good night all :)
23:33 mtompset So, I could test::www::mechanize a whole bunch of scenarios and just autocommit off and rollback?
23:33 rangi no
23:34 mtompset I knew I was missing something.
23:34 rangi its only valid for that database handle
23:34 rangi you switch autocommit off in your script, that doesnt affect any other scripts
23:35 rangi so when you start hitting the website with mechanize
23:35 rangi different db handles
23:35 mtompset right. :(
23:35 rangi if you want to do it with mechanize
23:35 rangi to test a lot
23:35 rangi first thing it does is dump the db
23:35 rangi run all the tests
23:35 rangi reload the db
23:42 * cait really goes to sleep now :)
23:42 cait good night :)
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23:45 pianohacker kk, good night all
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23:52 tcohen night cait
23:54 tcohen hi rangi
23:55 rangi hi tcohen
23:56 tcohen got my reservation code for the flight
23:56 tcohen :-D
23:56 dcook \o/
23:56 dcook awesome, tcohen!
23:56 tcohen it is :-D
23:57 tcohen will book for the hotel tomorrow
23:57 tcohen looks like there are three towers?
23:57 dcook I think so
23:58 dcook I think one is more expensive than the others?
23:59 rangi yep
23:59 wizzyrea tcohen: love your test biblio in your tests for circ :P
23:59 rangi dolphin and something
23:59 rangi are teh same price
23:59 rangi and then the other one is more expensive

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