| Time |
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Nick |
Message |
| 00:00 |
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jcamins |
Good morning, dcook. Operation Mango Chocolate Chip Cookie is a go. |
| 00:00 |
|
dcook |
Morning, jcamins. That sounds amazing! |
| 00:01 |
|
dcook |
How far along in the mission are you? |
| 00:02 |
|
jcamins |
dcook: I have combined mango, butter, and sugar. |
| 00:02 |
|
jcamins |
Ooh, I wonder what the pH of mango is... |
| 00:03 |
|
jcamins |
3.4-4.6. |
| 00:03 |
|
jcamins |
That's pretty acidic. |
| 00:04 |
|
dcook |
Interesting fact or potential problem? |
| 00:05 |
|
dcook |
In either case...mango, butter, sugar...*drool* |
| 00:05 |
|
dcook |
We may have sat in bed last night with a bowl of Anzac biscuit mixture and a laptop with BSG season 1 |
| 00:06 |
|
jcamins |
dcook: actually, good news. |
| 00:06 |
|
jcamins |
It'll offset the fact that I'm going to use more baking soda than I generally would because baking soda will help the cookies bind. |
| 00:07 |
|
jcamins |
I didn't like BSG. |
| 00:07 |
|
jcamins |
However, sitting in bed with cookie dough sounds like a *great* idea. |
| 00:10 |
|
cjh |
I found BSG really hard to get into. |
| 00:14 |
|
jcamins |
I found it to be overly conservative, politically, a la Starship Troopers (the book). |
| 00:15 |
|
jcamins |
Interestingly, I am the only person who has been troubled by this, ever. |
| 00:15 |
|
dcook |
jcamins: I have a limited knowledge of baking, but I figured that might be the case |
| 00:15 |
|
dcook |
Surely, you're not the only one to be troubled by this :p |
| 00:15 |
|
jcamins |
Okay, maybe not ever. I was never interested enough to see if anyone agreed with me. |
| 00:16 |
|
rangi |
heinlein was a fruitloop |
| 00:16 |
|
dcook |
I find it interesting although the plot is spotty especially at the end |
| 00:17 |
|
jcamins |
dcook: since you are surely going to want to make them, the recipe is: 1 ripe mango, chopped; 1 stick butter, softened; 2 eggs; 1 tsp. vanilla extract; 2 c. flour; 3/4 tsp. baking soda; 1/4 tsp. salt; 2 Tbsp. unsweetened shredded coconut; 1 c. chocolate chips. |
| 00:17 |
|
dcook |
hehe |
| 00:17 |
|
jcamins |
Bake at 350 degrees Fahrenheit, I think. |
| 00:17 |
|
jcamins |
Right now I'm chilling them because the dough is... a bit soft. |
| 00:18 |
|
dcook |
Hmm, I don't know if our oven has Fahrenheit |
| 00:18 |
|
* jcamins |
contemplates what else to bake. |
| 00:18 |
|
dcook |
In Canada, we have both Celsius and Fahrenheit, but Australia is serious about its metric system |
| 00:18 |
|
dcook |
Of course, I could just look it up... |
| 00:18 |
|
dcook |
But I wanted to point out that Australia is weird...in their adherence to a single standard... |
| 00:21 |
|
dcook |
What else to bake... |
| 00:21 |
|
dcook |
rangi: What makes you say that? Not that I've ever read any Heinlein, but I'm curious. |
| 00:21 |
|
dcook |
Saw Larry Niven at a con once. Odd fellow... |
| 00:21 |
|
dcook |
Never read any of his stuff either |
| 00:24 |
|
jcamins |
I enjoyed some of Niven's books quite a lot. |
| 00:24 |
|
rangi |
space cadet |
| 00:25 |
|
rangi |
starship troopers |
| 00:25 |
|
jcamins |
Yeah, I was not such a fan of Heinlein. |
| 00:26 |
|
rangi |
good writer, dont like his idea of the future tho :) |
| 00:27 |
|
dcook |
I don't know if I like any writer's idea of the future :p |
| 00:27 |
|
dcook |
jcamins: You always do an excellent job of making me hungry before lunch.. |
| 00:27 |
|
jcamins |
dcook: you're welcome. |
| 00:28 |
|
jcamins |
Chewy chocolate cookies? |
| 00:28 |
|
jcamins |
Those are always good. |
| 00:29 |
|
dcook |
Mmm chewy... |
| 00:31 |
|
jcamins |
Nah, better make up something new. |
| 00:33 |
|
jcamins |
But what? |
| 00:33 |
|
jcamins |
I already did rosemary the other day. |
| 00:34 |
|
jcamins |
Green tea. |
| 00:34 |
|
dcook |
Oh right...I forgot about the rosemary ones. I think you sent me the recipe for that as well. |
| 00:34 |
|
* dcook |
really needs to start baking this winter |
| 00:35 |
|
jcamins |
Okay, let's see... |
| 00:52 |
|
dcook |
bgkriegel: Are you around? |
| 00:53 |
|
dcook |
@later tell bgkriegel Any case of getting bug 9458 into 3.10.x? |
| 00:53 |
|
huginn |
dcook: The operation succeeded. |
| 00:53 |
|
dcook |
Err |
| 00:54 |
|
dcook |
@later tell bgkriegel case = chance |
| 00:54 |
|
huginn |
dcook: The operation succeeded. |
| 00:55 |
|
bgkriegel |
Hi dcook, let me look |
| 00:55 |
|
dcook |
Cool. Thanks :). |
| 01:01 |
|
jcamins |
And, for those of you wanting the green tea chocolate cookie recipe: 2 sticks butter, softened; 2 c. sugar; 2 eggs; 2 tsp vanilla extract; 3/4 c. cocoa; 2 Tbsp fine sencha; 2 c. flour; 3/4 tsp. baking soda. |
| 01:03 |
|
bgkriegel |
dcook, does not apply cleanly, I need to look deeper.Anyway I normally wait for 3.12 branch first, and we are in string freeze right now. So it must wait to 3.10.8 |
| 01:03 |
|
jcamins |
bug 9458 |
| 01:03 |
|
huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9458 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, RESOLVED FIXED, Add sorting to lists |
| 01:05 |
|
dcook |
bgkriegel: Sounds good :). Thanks for looking into it for me. |
| 01:41 |
|
huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10464: Patron search on placing a hold now supports autocomplete <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]82dac10cab0468d24> |
| 02:05 |
|
huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10439: fix bug preventing the library for a notice from being changed <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]731e05de90fc667c9> |
| 02:56 |
|
* jcamins |
wanders through humming For I Hold That On The Sea. |
| 03:02 |
|
dcook |
Members::Search...what? |
| 03:02 |
|
jcamins |
C4::Members::Search? |
| 03:02 |
|
dcook |
Errmm Maybe I meant Members(Search) |
| 03:02 |
|
dcook |
The Search sub in Members.pm :p |
| 03:03 |
|
jcamins |
Yeah, C4::Members::Search. |
| 03:03 |
|
dcook |
This example makes no sense to me : $borrowers = Search({''=>'abcd', category_type=>'I'}, 'surname'); |
| 03:03 |
|
* jcamins |
wanders in the opposite direction singing about gentlemanly tones. |
| 03:03 |
|
dcook |
Or how it's implemented in guarantor_search.pl |
| 03:03 |
|
dcook |
hehe |
| 03:03 |
|
dcook |
Good call, jcamins. Good call ;). |
| 03:04 |
|
jcamins |
The fact that that make perfect sense to me frightens me beyond all measure. |
| 03:04 |
|
eythian |
what about it makes no sense to you? |
| 03:04 |
|
jcamins |
I've never looked at the code. :( |
| 03:04 |
|
dcook |
I don't see any way that the category_type is ever searched |
| 03:04 |
|
eythian |
oh, right. I don't know. |
| 03:04 |
|
jcamins |
But that's a keyword search for abcd, limited by category_type, probably ordered by surname. |
| 03:05 |
|
dcook |
In theory |
| 03:05 |
|
dcook |
Except category_type is a column in categories |
| 03:05 |
|
dcook |
Not borrowers.. |
| 03:05 |
|
dcook |
I see no joins |
| 03:06 |
|
dcook |
I see no reference to category_type (unless it's referenced without its name) |
| 03:06 |
|
jcamins |
SearchInTable. |
| 03:06 |
|
dcook |
Yeah, that's what I'm looking at now |
| 03:07 |
|
jcamins |
What are you trying to do? |
| 03:07 |
|
jcamins |
I try to avoid C4::SQLHelper. |
| 03:07 |
|
dcook |
With good reason.. |
| 03:07 |
|
dcook |
Well...we're upgrading another 3.2 client |
| 03:07 |
|
dcook |
Who wants professionals to be able to guarantee other professionals |
| 03:07 |
|
jcamins |
And this worked in 3.2? |
| 03:08 |
|
dcook |
With a modification we made, apparently |
| 03:08 |
|
jcamins |
The same modification should work. |
| 03:08 |
|
dcook |
But the thing is...I think it's working in 3.8 without modification |
| 03:08 |
|
jcamins |
Oh, excellent! |
| 03:08 |
|
dcook |
Except...according to the code...it shouldn't |
| 03:08 |
|
dcook |
I think O_o |
| 03:08 |
|
dcook |
Guarantors should only be adults or institutions |
| 03:09 |
|
dcook |
Search should only be bringing up borrowers with a category_type of "A" or "I" |
| 03:10 |
|
dcook |
But everyone seems to be coming up which leads me to think that this "filter" doesn't work |
| 03:10 |
|
jcamins |
Could well be. |
| 03:13 |
|
dcook |
I think part of the reason it worked in 3.2 is because it used a totally different sub |
| 03:13 |
|
dcook |
Which actually made sense |
| 03:15 |
|
* dcook |
shrugs |
| 03:16 |
|
jcamins |
Oh, yeah, the great patron search unification. |
| 03:16 |
|
jcamins |
I did that for 3.4ish or 3.6ish. |
| 03:16 |
|
jcamins |
*Ian |
| 03:16 |
|
jcamins |
Not me. |
| 03:18 |
|
jcamins |
There's probably an RFC on the wiki explaining how it was supposed to work. |
| 03:18 |
|
dcook |
Yeah...definitely has some issues...but I don't know if I particularly care. Me thinks it would involve quite a bit of rewriting to get it back to a state which doesn't necessarily make a ton of sense anyway |
| 03:20 |
|
jcamins |
Oh, I wasn't proposing any major refactoring. |
| 03:20 |
|
jcamins |
I thought you might like an explanation of what it was supposed to be doing, so you could confirm that it had the behavior you wanted. |
| 03:20 |
|
jcamins |
However, I don't see an RFC. |
| 03:20 |
|
jcamins |
bag can probably provide you with the spec, though. |
| 03:27 |
|
dcook |
Hmm |
| 03:28 |
|
dcook |
I think they might have a note that it doesn't do anything.. |
| 03:28 |
|
dcook |
"NOTE: Current implementation may remove parts of the iinput hashrefs. If that is a problem |
| 03:28 |
|
dcook |
a copy needs to be created in _filter_fields() below" |
| 03:28 |
|
eythian |
that's bad programming right there |
| 03:28 |
|
eythian |
at least it's documented, but still. |
| 03:28 |
|
eythian |
And not that I haven't done it... |
| 03:29 |
|
jcamins |
Hehe. |
| 03:29 |
|
jcamins |
Good night, #koha. |
| 03:29 |
|
dcook |
night, jcamins |
| 03:29 |
|
dcook |
eythian: Is that based on what I've said or a look at the files? |
| 03:29 |
|
eythian |
based on what you said |
| 03:29 |
|
dcook |
Mmm |
| 03:29 |
|
eythian |
modifying your input is generally frowned upon |
| 03:30 |
|
dcook |
That note doesn't actually cover this case either.. |
| 03:30 |
|
dcook |
modifying your input? |
| 03:30 |
|
eythian |
oh, am I misreading. |
| 03:30 |
|
eythian |
it sounds like a function is getting a hashref and modifying it |
| 03:31 |
|
dcook |
I don't think so. |
| 03:31 |
|
dcook |
I think it takes a hashref and splits it out into an SQL where |
| 03:32 |
|
eythian |
if it's its own hashref, that's OK |
| 03:33 |
|
* dcook |
shrugs |
| 03:34 |
|
dcook |
All I know is that it isn't doing what it says it's doing |
| 03:34 |
|
dcook |
And it sure looks liike ugly code to me |
| 03:34 |
|
dcook |
Plus, just found one of these notes: "# An act of desperation" |
| 03:34 |
|
dcook |
Although like you said...not that I haven't done that either.. |
| 03:35 |
|
eythian |
heh |
| 03:50 |
|
dcook |
Mmm, I think I'm following this "guarantor" thing a lot more now... |
| 03:50 |
|
dcook |
Still broken though :p |
| 03:59 |
|
dcook |
Bug report written up. Time for lunch.h |
| 04:00 |
|
dcook |
The second h is for hungry... |
| 04:18 |
|
dcook |
All the bugs... |
| 04:25 |
|
dcook |
Random question while I remember...does anyone have/know about a "Koha Installation Checklist"? |
| 04:26 |
|
eythian |
wahanui: koha installation checklist |
| 04:26 |
|
wahanui |
eythian: huh? |
| 04:26 |
|
dcook |
While the package install takes care of most things, there are still a few things that a person needs to configure outside of it |
| 04:26 |
|
dcook |
Such as setting up email |
| 04:26 |
|
eythian |
we have one for clients, but that's more internal to Koha |
| 04:27 |
|
dcook |
Internal to Koha? |
| 04:27 |
|
dcook |
or Catalyst? |
| 04:27 |
|
wahanui |
Catalyst is a monster, lots of moving parts |
| 04:27 |
|
dcook |
lol |
| 04:27 |
|
eythian |
the sort of thing that clients would need. |
| 04:27 |
|
dcook |
Right, that makes sense |
| 04:27 |
|
eythian |
we don't have one for systems stuff as that gets set up according to our standard methods anyway. |
| 04:27 |
|
dcook |
I've just been pondering lately what all I'm missing from my Koha install |
| 04:28 |
|
dcook |
Makes sense |
| 04:28 |
|
dcook |
I was thinking that people probably wouldn't have checklists for that reason |
| 04:28 |
|
eythian |
wouldn't hurt to make one really. |
| 04:28 |
|
dcook |
I suppose I could be a pioneer in that |
| 04:28 |
|
dcook |
I just wonder if I'm missing anything |
| 04:28 |
|
dcook |
I had to re-install Debian yesterday as I somehow managed to totally screw up my network connection |
| 04:28 |
|
dcook |
No idea how.. |
| 04:29 |
|
dcook |
So I'm going over my notes again...trying to streamline it |
| 04:29 |
|
eythian |
you probably just needed to edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:29 |
|
dcook |
Did that |
| 04:29 |
|
dcook |
Many many times |
| 04:29 |
|
dcook |
It seemed like the router wasn't giving the server an IP address |
| 04:29 |
|
eythian |
in that case, a reinstall isn't likely to help |
| 04:29 |
|
dcook |
If I gave it a static one, it could connect to itself but couldn't ping the router or anything else |
| 04:30 |
|
dcook |
It seemed to |
| 04:30 |
|
dcook |
After the re-install, no problems with internet connectivity |
| 04:30 |
|
dcook |
Mind you... |
| 04:30 |
|
dcook |
When I was using GParted, I did run the network config utility that's packaged with it |
| 04:30 |
|
eythian |
that's kinda odd really |
| 04:30 |
|
dcook |
Since I couldn't connect to the internet through the Gparted dvd either |
| 04:30 |
|
dcook |
Although I could after I ran that utility |
| 04:30 |
|
dcook |
:S |
| 04:31 |
|
dcook |
(I wonder a bit if I had run the utility in Gparted then gone back into my Debian install if it would've worked...) |
| 04:31 |
|
dcook |
eythian: Really odd. I combed through forums and tried everything, but nothing worked. |
| 04:31 |
|
dcook |
Reset the router a few times.. |
| 04:31 |
|
dcook |
I had installed VirtualBox, Google Chrome, and a flash plugin for Chromium on Saturday night... |
| 04:32 |
|
dcook |
Internet worked fine |
| 04:32 |
|
dcook |
It wasn't until the next morning, when I went to install an SSH server (so I could work from the comfort of bed), that I found no connectivity |
| 04:32 |
|
dcook |
I half wonder if somehow VirtualBox buggered something up... |
| 04:33 |
|
dcook |
And I didn't notice until it came time to boot the next morning.. |
| 04:33 |
|
eythian |
well, you can manage vbox's dhcp server, maybe its networking config had gone a bit off. |
| 04:33 |
|
eythian |
*odd |
| 04:34 |
|
dcook |
That's about the only thing that I can think that could possibly maybe do it |
| 04:34 |
|
dcook |
Although I was a bit surprised that VirtualBox would interfere with the connection between the server and the router :S |
| 04:35 |
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eythian |
I wouldn't be, virtualbox is providing the networking. |
| 04:35 |
|
dcook |
Even when no VMs are running? |
| 04:36 |
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eythian |
oh, was this the host server? |
| 04:36 |
|
dcook |
Yep |
| 04:36 |
|
eythian |
ah |
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AmitG |
heya mtj around |
| 05:00 |
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dcook |
hey ya cait, AmitG |
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AmitG |
cait |
| 05:00 |
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AmitG |
heya dcook |
| 05:15 |
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eythian |
http://open.salon.com/blog/jls[…]osing_a_bookstore |
| 05:16 |
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* cait |
waves |
| 05:16 |
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eythian |
hello cait |
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wahanui |
hello cait are you here? |
| 05:26 |
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* magnuse |
waves |
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magnuse |
http://translate.koha-community.org/ down? |
| 05:28 |
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eythian |
http://www.downforeveryoneorju[…]oha-community.org <-- yep |
| 05:28 |
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dcook |
eythian: #16 |
| 05:30 |
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dcook |
Comic books and graphic novels are totes different.. |
| 05:31 |
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dcook |
Also, I love how eythian always has a link for that |
| 05:32 |
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eythian |
dcook: it's like the old saying goes: give a man a fire, and he's warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life. |
| 05:33 |
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dcook |
lol |
| 05:33 |
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dcook |
It wasn't very loud, but that laugh was audible |
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drojf |
good morning #koha |
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dcook |
morning drojf |
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drojf |
hi dcook |
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cait |
hi drojf |
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drojf |
hi cait |
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sophie_m |
hello #koha |
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* magnuse |
waves again |
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marcelr |
good morning #koha |
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marcelr |
cait++ #qa |
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reiveune |
hello |
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AmitG |
heya laurence |
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laurence |
hi AmitG |
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Joubu |
hello #koha |
| 07:12 |
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magnuse |
@wunder marseille |
| 07:12 |
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huginn |
magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 26.0°C (9:00 AM CEST on June 17, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:12 |
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magnuse |
wow! |
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paul_p |
hello #koha |
| 07:12 |
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magnuse |
@wunder boo |
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huginn |
magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 10.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on June 17, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:13 |
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magnuse |
that's better |
| 07:13 |
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magnuse |
bonjour paul_p |
| 07:13 |
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paul_p |
mmm... translate.koha-community.org is down ? |
| 07:18 |
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marcelr |
hi france & magnuse |
| 07:19 |
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magnuse |
paul_p: looks like it |
| 07:19 |
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magnuse |
hiya marcelr |
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paul_p |
hi marcelr |
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paul_p |
@wunder amsterdam |
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huginn |
paul_p: Error: No such location could be found. |
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marcelr |
:) |
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marcelr |
i cannot be found |
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paul_p |
marcelr = bad news, you live in the limbo... |
| 07:26 |
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paul_p |
marcelr what about moving to Marseille ? Nice place, beach, a lot of Koha activity, and it exists :D :D |
| 07:26 |
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marcelr |
@wunder Netherlands |
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huginn |
marcelr: Error: No such location could be found. |
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marcelr |
idem |
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paul_p |
marcelr lol... |
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marcelr |
scary |
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drojf |
@wunder amsterdam, netherlands |
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huginn |
drojf: The current temperature in Amsterdam, Netherlands is 16.0°C (8:55 AM CEST on June 17, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). |
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drojf |
:) |
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marcelr |
just 10 degrees lower |
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drojf |
@wunder berlin, germany |
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huginn |
drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 19.0°C (9:20 AM CEST on June 17, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). |
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marcelr |
ok |
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drojf |
not sure if i need 26°C at 9pm on a work day ;) |
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christophe_c |
hello #koha |
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drojf |
9am |
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* magnuse |
agrees with drojf :-) |
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magnuse |
bonjour christophe_c |
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AmitG |
hyea magnuse |
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magnuse |
hiya AmitG |
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kf |
good morning #koha |
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christophe_c |
bonjour magnuse ;-) |
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magnuse |
wb kf |
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kf |
hi magnuse and christophe_c |
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cjh |
found some time to catch up on my rmaint-ing :) |
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magnuse |
cjh++ |
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kf |
cjh++ :) |
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cjh |
I dont really deserve the +s, only have to catch up because I got behind :) |
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kf |
cjh: hm yeah... release soon? :P |
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cjh |
22nd-ish :p |
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Shalom |
anyone know how to stop authorities creation from acquisition? i don't want to create the author authorities when i enter an order to the system |
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christophe_c |
hello kf :-[ in late ... I was afk ;-) |
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kf |
christophe_c: np, i was afk too :) |
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christophe_c |
;-) |
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kf |
@later tell bgkriegel I have problems with searching in pootle, could you take a look? |
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huginn |
kf: The operation succeeded. |
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kf |
@later tell bgkriegel - it seems to happen only for german? i tested basque and that seemed to work alright :( |
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huginn |
kf: The operation succeeded. |
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nengard |
kf i was trying to test bug 9948 again ..but i can't receive anything in today's master |
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nengard |
can you? |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9948 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , acq data going on first item even if not received |
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nengard |
is there a bug or a data problem on my end? |
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kf |
hm i coudl receive normally yesterday |
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kf |
testing master from yesterday, not sure anything related to receiving went in today |
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kf |
you placed the order with acqcreateitem set to 'on order'? |
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nengard |
yes |
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nengard |
there is nothing to receive |
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kf |
same vendor? |
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nengard |
but i have 102 bibs waiting to be received |
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nengard |
i tried 2 vendors |
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kf |
just trying to think about the mistakes i normally make :) |
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kf |
oh |
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kf |
did you close the basket? |
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nengard |
yes |
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kf |
hm |
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nengard |
and no |
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nengard |
i tried both ways |
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nengard |
you didn't always have to close a basket |
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kf |
i can only say that it did work yesterdy |
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kf |
i think it's more strict now |
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nengard |
i even created a new order today and tried that and tried and old order |
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kf |
better to close it when you want to look for late orders and the like |
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nengard |
of course |
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kf |
it just shows no order lines? |
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nengard |
no order lines to receive |
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nengard |
i see them when i do a search and view the basket |
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kf |
we used tot tell the libraries not to close... |
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kf |
i haven't had that happenign |
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kf |
i used an older order and a new order |
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nengard |
hmm |
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nengard |
k |
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kf |
not sure, can't test here :( |
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kf |
can you test maybe to go back a little? |
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kf |
like crate a new branch and do a git reset --hard HEAD~5 or so? |
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kf |
but it should not make a difference I think... there is not really something acq related in the patches gone in yesterday. hm. |
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nengard |
omg i figured it out |
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nengard |
it remembered a search of mine for 'chris' in the acq search |
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nengard |
i think i might report that as a bug cause i had to have done that weeks ago!!! |
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jcamins |
nengard: if you mean the web browser auto-remembered, what I do is delete the items with search terms from my history when it starts autocompleting a search and not just the search page. |
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kf |
jcamins: i couldn't follow you |
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nengard |
oh good |
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nengard |
me either |
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nengard |
thought it was my monday morning brain |
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kf |
might have a similar brain then |
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kf |
but i am happy receiving is not broken :) |
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nengard |
me too! |
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jcamins |
I have no idea what you mean by "it remembered a search," but assuming you mean "my web browser automatically took me to a page that had prefilled a search for the term 'chris,'" the solution is to delete that URL from your web browser's history. |
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nengard |
no |
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nengard |
:) |
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jcamins |
Okay. |
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nengard |
so what I did was i clicked 'receive' and the tiny search box to the right of the list of titles you can recieve - the datatable - had a search i had typed in there ages and ages ago |
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jcamins |
Chrome starts autocompleting URLs that include search strings about once every other week for me. |
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nengard |
so it wasn't in the url |
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kf |
oh chrome |
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jcamins |
Got it. |
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nengard |
and i'm in FF |
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AmitG |
heya nengard |
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nengard |
hello and goodbye ... |
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jcamins |
He wanted you to know he was thinking of you. |
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Viktor |
:) |
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Viktor |
And - Hello all :) |
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jcamins |
Myshkin managed to cover me with blue ink. |
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kf |
jcamins: oooh he thinks the color suits you :) |
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jcamins |
Actually, he just likes blue ink. |
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Viktor |
Expecting drojf to show up today? (Got the start of a sort of dictionary that we talked about a while back) |
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jcamins |
The first time I flew to Europe after we moved to NYC, an hour and a half before I was due to leave to catch my plane he managed to dye himself blue from nose to toes. |
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kf |
jcamins: lol |
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kf |
do you have photos? |
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kf |
Viktor: he was here this morning, not sure where he is now - maybe studying in the library :) |
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jcamins |
No, I was too upset about it to think of that. |
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jcamins |
I had been owned by a cat for only a few months, and Shari was of course out all day. |
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kf |
jcamins: !! |
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kf |
there he went to that lengths to be pretty to say goodbye to you and you don't take a photo |
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Viktor |
kf Hm - so people here are actually _using_ libraries too? not shure how to feel about that ;) |
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jcamins |
Viktor: don't worry, it's just drojf. |
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kf |
i always used to sit in the library with my laptop... good wifi... nice quiet atmosphere... :) |
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Viktor |
jcamins ;D |
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kf |
he has reasons :P |
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Viktor |
I do like the libraries too - it's one of the few places you can sit for a while without opening the wallet. |
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kf |
i wish i could find scores in pootle... someone translated it to 'points' instead of 'written music' |
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Viktor |
I'll talk to him about the file later then. |
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kf |
I know he is working on some dictionary project... samian? |
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Viktor |
And I hope you lovely people are here later too because my coworkers is taking a coffebreak :) |
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kf |
he miht show up if we keep talking about him :) |
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kf |
we probably are.. |
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* kf |
is coloring opacs today |
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jcamins |
kf: fun! |
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Viktor_away |
kf - Coloring is fun. We stared last week and had real fun. |
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kf |
i have one in orange and one in green so far hehe |
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jcamins |
kf: how many OPACs are you coloring? |
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tcohen |
morning #koha |
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tcohen |
hi jcamins |
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jcamins |
Good morning. |
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tcohen |
gmcharlt: do u agree we could have parametrizable javascript code to inject the autocomplete code on a per--syspref basis? |
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kf |
jcamins: 2? :) |
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kf |
for now |
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kf |
good morning tcohen |
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tcohen |
hi kf |
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kf |
tcohen: maybe you can help... i have problems with searching the german po files :( |
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tcohen |
problems with pootle? |
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kf |
yeah |
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kf |
i am looking for score |
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kf |
because i have a wrong translation in german, but it gives me no results |
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kf |
it works in Danish |
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kf |
hi oak |
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Oak |
kello kf |
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Oak |
uh oh |
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tcohen |
the filters are set to incomplete by default |
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tcohen |
works for spanish |
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tcohen |
email bgkriegel please |
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kf |
tcohen: i will thx |
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kf |
tcohen: could you do me a favor and try it in german too? |
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kf |
just to make sure I am not doig it wrong? |
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kf |
today is a werid monday... |
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tcohen |
you're right, is not working |
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kf |
ok, not good, but at least not doing it wrong :) |
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kf |
tcohen: i am writing him, thx for checking :) |
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tcohen |
he's not answering on talk, i'll give him a phone call |
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kf |
i just wrote him - I think it has a bit of time, but thx :) |
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kf |
I don't want to stress him about ti |
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tcohen |
he was just walking |
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tcohen |
said he'll re-run the indexing scripts |
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Oak |
kf, who among us is the database design expert? |
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jcamins |
Oak: as a general rule, rangi is the expert in everything. |
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Oak |
:) |
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Oak |
but he is the most busy one as well. |
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Oak |
but you all are. |
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gmcharlt |
tcohen: probably |
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gmcharlt |
could you expand a bit on what you're proposing? |
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tcohen |
its just having a single js function with formid and inputid as parameters, and does everything to set the autocomplete feature |
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tcohen |
and on a per-syspref basis, call ir on document,ready where applicable |
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kf |
bgkriegel++ tcohen++ thx! |
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tcohen |
the refactoring *might* include rewriting the method that creates the list of values |
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kf |
Oak: it probably depends on your question :) |
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gmcharlt |
tcohen: yep, sounds reasonable |
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tcohen |
as the jquery.autocopmlete API expects a JSON to do all the job, and we are building the list on our own... |
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tcohen |
haven't digged deeper on that (not an jqueryui expert) |
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tcohen |
but looks like we don't need that |
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tcohen |
processing on the browser |
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Oak |
kf: yes i am thinking how to formulate my question. |
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tcohen |
bug 10471 |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10396: remove unnecessary date-picker widgets from Catalog statistics form <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]bc0943226bad24668> |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10471 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Global search input box and button geometry not always consistent (browsers, translations) |
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kf |
Oak: still thinking? :) |
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tcohen |
kf: does master look like this on chrome for you? http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ment.cgi?id=19024 |
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kf |
tcohen: hm no chrome at work |
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kf |
what am i looking for there? |
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tcohen |
the search box |
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tcohen |
is shorter than the line |
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tcohen |
should look like this http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ment.cgi?id=19023 |
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kf |
oh |
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kf |
i didn't notice that so far |
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Oak |
kf emailing a friend about something different :) |
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gmcharlt |
tcohen: hmm -- looks OK to me http://librarypolice.com/~gmc/[…]global-search.png |
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gmcharlt |
Version 27.0.1453.110 m |
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tcohen |
hmm |
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tcohen |
that's an unpatched master checkout gmcharlt, right? |
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gmcharlt |
tcohen: yes |
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tcohen |
kohacon13? |
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wahanui |
well, kohacon13 is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]KohaCon13_Summary |
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gmcharlt |
tcohen: re 10471, what members/members-home.pl does to the global search box is especially egregious |
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* tcohen |
loves learning new words |
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tcohen |
should I look how does my patch behave with members-home.pl? |
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tcohen |
oh, it breaks it |
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* gmcharlt |
readies rope to rescue tcohen |
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gmcharlt |
;) |
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tcohen |
i shouldn't have looked at circulation and mainpage only |
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tcohen |
at least the bug is confirmed, what a relief :-P |
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Rotkiv |
Hi! Does anyone know if the "Tiny CMS"-function will work well with the new theme? (it's branded as for 3.4 and later on the wiki) |
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Rotkiv |
And does this provide wysiwyg editing? |
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Rotkiv |
And at best - the possibility to create a 2-dimensional navigation with both topbar and left hand nav. |
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Rotkiv |
Or is it best to just try to integrate with a CMS? |
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gmcharlt |
Rotkiv: the Koha-as-CMS workaround should continue to work just fine; however, it doesn't offer WYSIWYG editing |
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tcohen |
is not that hard to fix gmcharlt |
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gmcharlt |
tcohen: groovy |
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tcohen |
is just much more boring than I thought :-P |
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gmcharlt |
and about to get even more boring, considering the places in acqui, cataloguing, admin, etc. that also adjust the global search box |
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Rotkiv |
Thanks! Sounds interesting (although not fun...) |
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tcohen |
of course gmcharlt, the boring part was all the places that need to be touched |
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Rotkiv |
Is there a bugzilla post for this? |
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gmcharlt |
Rotkiv: bugzilla post for what? |
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Rotkiv |
The editable areas of Koha will take care of most of the needs I come across. But many also need static pages in a 2D-grid. |
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Rotkiv |
gmcharlt for adding wysiwyg that tcohen seems to at least have given some thought :) |
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gmcharlt |
Rotkiv: ah -- I think tcohen was talking about something else, though |
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Rotkiv |
Ah - too bad :) |
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gmcharlt |
as far as a bug goes, bug 7840 might be a good place to add desiderata for the Koha-as-CMS hack |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7840 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nengard, NEW , Remove from manual Koha as a CMS (or add it to master) |
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Rotkiv |
Thanks! |
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Rotkiv |
I'll be adding to the wishlist :) |
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gmcharlt |
cool |
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Rotkiv |
Is there any known ways to integrate cleanly with a CMS in the meantime? :) |
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Rotkiv |
I'm thinking about things like keeping the login at the top active when moving to pages in a CMS etc. |
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gmcharlt |
there have been several bits of work to integrate Koha with Drupal, e.g., https://drupal.org/sandbox/jajm/1833210 |
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gmcharlt |
and adding a catalog search box to a page managed by a CMS is easy, of course |
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Rotkiv |
Thanks. Yes - integrating 90% is easy. It's the last bits like login and such things that makes it difficult. |
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gmcharlt |
indeed |
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gmcharlt |
do you have any particular CMS that you're targeting? |
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Rotkiv |
To integrate fully in the web for the local community it's SiteVision. |
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Rotkiv |
Otherwise any good one I guess :) |
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reiveune |
bye |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10291: Clarify misleading variable name <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]22c42e163385d2e98> |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10256: Remove some unused subs from Overdues module <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]c27dfb04796e9b0a5> |
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Rotkiv |
Thanks for the help and bye! |
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kf |
bye all |
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tcohen |
gmcharlt: the patch its getting bigger and bigger |
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gmcharlt |
tcohen: I thought it might |
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jcamins |
Which Frankenpatch is this? |
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tcohen |
jcamins: gmcharlt made me notice my patch for bug 10471 broke several other places, which I'm trying to fix to see how this comes out |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10471 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Global search input box and button geometry not always consistent (browsers, translations) |
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jcamins |
Ah. |
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magnuse |
tcohen++ for not giving up :-) |
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pianohacker |
Hmm. What's the story with Solr? Seems like it's in an odd halfway-zone of used but not |
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magnuse |
kia ora cait |
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cait |
kia ora magnus :) |
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magnuse |
w00t! |
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magnuse |
pianohacker: as far as i understand there are libraries using it in production |
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pianohacker |
makes sense, the code seems ready. Are there things keeping Koha from eventually migrating to it? |
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jcamins |
pianohacker: right now you have to choose between Solr and, for example, authority records. |
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jcamins |
And it requires you to install dependencies from CPAN, I think. |
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pianohacker |
ahhh, that kind of tradeoff :) |
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pianohacker |
But the speed and search quality are good enough? |
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jcamins |
I think possibly using Solr also entails deciding not to use serials or acquisitions, but I'm not sure about that. |
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jcamins |
I have no idea. |
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magnuse |
pianohacker: and there has been worries about the footprint of Solr for small libraries with small servers - so it's desirable to keep Zebra as an option |
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jcamins |
I was never able to get it working. |
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pianohacker |
Okay, cool. Thanks |
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magnuse |
search rewrite? |
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wahanui |
hmmm... search rewrite is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]earch_Rewrite_RFC |
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pianohacker |
Was curious, as that was just starting when I left |
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bag |
interesting jcamins I hadn't thought along the lines of not using serials etc… I just thought what you said above that some libraries are only in CPAN |
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jcamins |
bag: I'm not sure about that. I know that authorities aren't supported, but now that I think about it, I'm not sure I saw any hooks for Solr in Acq or Serials. |
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cait |
there seems also to be a lto of bugs right now |
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cait |
a search for solr in bugzilla might bring them up |
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jcamins |
magnuse: I don't think anyone is using it in production. Rennes switched to Zebra. |
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cait |
i think it's not quite ready yet - clrh would know |
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magnuse |
jcamins: oh, that might be, i'm definitely not up to date on it |
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pianohacker |
It makes me so happy that having to install things from CPAN is now considered odd and a bit of a showstopper |
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magnuse |
hehe |
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pianohacker |
The only thing I've ever installed that was harder than Koha 2.2, for instance, was Request Tracker |
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bag |
HA |
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bag |
yeah 2.2 was a harder one… I think dev-week was up there too |
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bag |
I like the current install :D |
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magnuse |
apt-get install koha-common? |
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pianohacker |
yeah |
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pianohacker |
even git installs are so much better |
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pianohacker |
no undocumented requirements, etc. |
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pianohacker |
adding zebra made things tougher, but, well, the alternative :) |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9665: QA follow up fixing tabs <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]800a997dd3059e3df> / Bug 9665: add RIS and BIBTEXT bibliographic record export to staff interface <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]0820bfeda0d4d196a> |
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nengard |
anyone around who knows some jquery? If I want to hide an option from the privacy pull down in the opac what am i missing in this: |
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nengard |
http://catalog.frenchcc.bywate[…]a/opac-privacy.pl |
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nengard |
oops |
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nengard |
$("#privacy option[value='0']").hide(); |
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rangi |
@later tell tcohen http://qunitjs.com/ <-- will help you refactor without causing regressions :) |
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huginn |
rangi: The operation succeeded. |
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rangi |
jcamins: that was mean! :) |
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cait |
morning rangi :) |
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rangi |
heya cait |
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gmcharlt |
howdy rangi |
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rangi |
heya gmcharlt |
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wahanui |
gmcharlt is, like, an expert in all things library technology |
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rangi |
see jcamins, not me! |
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* magnuse |
waves |
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* cait |
waves back |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10182: Stay on the same tab after saving a biblio <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]662dcc7fb7e7aba48> |
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jcamins |
rangi: but it's true! I consider you an expert in everything! |
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* cait |
nods |
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jcamins |
Hey, which university in Iraq has BibLibre been working with? |
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magnuse |
possibly maybe "Koya University", based on this: http://comments.gmane.org/gman[…]s.koha.devel/9004 ? |
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jcamins |
magnuse: no, I'm pretty sure Koya is still self-hosted. |
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magnuse |
okey, just a guess :-) |
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jcamins |
Hey, do we have a list of security advisories? |
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cait |
? |
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jcamins |
Something to point to when saying "seriously, you probably shouldn't be using 3.2.5 in production." |
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jcamins |
Wow... I'd forgotten how many security releases we had in the 3.2.x line. |
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cait |
yeah there were some... |
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jcamins |
Three! |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9728: XISBN use bibliographic search instead of SQL to fetch related bibs <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]6a1b26c73d3fcebaa> |
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cait |
jcamins: three is some. |
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magnuse |
but it's less than 4! |
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eythian |
hi |
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cait |
hi eythian |
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eythian |
hello cait |
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wahanui |
hello cait are you here? |
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pianohacker |
hello eythian |
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pianohacker |
hmm |
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pianohacker |
hello pianohacker are you there? |
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pianohacker |
hello pianohacker |
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wahanui |
hello pianohacker are you there? |
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eythian |
heh |
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pianohacker |
hah! very flexible with its conjugations of "to be" |
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eythian |
no, just 'is' and 'are' :) |
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eythian |
no "will be" for example :) |
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pianohacker |
that's good! We don't need wahanui to be smart |
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pianohacker |
it wouldn'd be half as entertaining otherwise |
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magnuse |
kia ora eythian |
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eythian |
hei magnuse |
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magnuse |
:-) |
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* gmcharlt |
firmly opposes anything that would lead to wahanui thinking it can do anything other than live in the moment; doing otherwise risks it singularity-ing its way up to having a time machine, and that's just no good |
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* cait |
perks up at the mentioning of a time machine |
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* eythian |
will accept patches to add conjugations such as "woil haven be" |
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gmcharlt |
eythian++ |
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rangi |
bug 10482 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10482 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Needs Signoff , add items limit and sort to rebuild zebra |
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eythian |
Not the future perfect tense, however, as it was discovered not to be. |
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rangi |
is that needed now we use xml ? |
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gmcharlt |
rangi: I rather suspect it is not needed, or can be made to be not needed |
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cait |
rangi: was wondering the same |
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magnuse |
i had some weirdness after i addded ~3000 items, but i did not get around to investigate |
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jcamins |
I think one of the search routines forced binary MARC. |
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magnuse |
see also bug 10473 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10473 major, P1 - high, ---, amitddng135, Needs Signoff , Max length should be 2 digit for adding multiple copies in add items page |
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jcamins |
I think I fixed that, though. |
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rangi |
ah right |
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jcamins |
magnuse: I wondered about that bug as well. |
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magnuse |
jcamins: i just disagreed with it and set it to "in discussion" |
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jcamins |
magnuse++ # coming up with a response that wasn't "are you kidding me?" |
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jcamins |
You know what I was thinking would be useful? |
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cait |
magnuse++ yeah goo done |
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pianohacker |
There is an argument to be made for the maximum amount roughly matching the size of the field, but I don't think that was the intended purpose of the patch |
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magnuse |
heh, i was just hoping i wasn't too impolite/unfriendly/abrasive/what have you |
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cait |
nope i don't think so |
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jcamins |
I was thinking that building search analytics into Koha might be useful. |
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magnuse |
jcamins: not quite sure what you mean, but it does sound good :-) |
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jcamins |
magnuse: I'd be interested to know how complex the searches that people are doing in the OPAC are... how much boolean logic, what indexes, and how many records they look at. |
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magnuse |
ah yes, very cool! |
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magnuse |
i can sort of guess at the result, but anyway ;-) |
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jcamins |
So, for example, "people doing title searches generally look at only one result" or "people doing complex boolean searches frequently look at dozens of records." |
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jcamins |
Yeah, so can I. |
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pianohacker |
would be a perfect use case for a plugin, though you would have to dive into that can of worms |
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jcamins |
pianohacker: that wouldn't be suitable for a plugin at all. |
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jcamins |
There are no hooks to support that functionality. |
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jcamins |
Hooks to support that sort of thing might be cool, but that's definitely not something I'll be working on. |
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pianohacker |
jcamins: What are the available hooks? |
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jcamins |
pianohacker: you can add a link from the Tools screen or the Reports screen. |
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cait |
if we would store the searches somewhere you could... |
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cait |
hm not really |
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rangi |
we do store them |
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rangi |
for logged in users |
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pianohacker |
jcamins: Ah, okay. So you could make the staff-side interface, but hooking it into the OPAC would be impossible |
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rangi |
rangi-- |
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huginn |
rangi: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma. |
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pianohacker |
hey now |
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pianohacker |
rangi++ |
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cait |
rangi: what are yo udoing? |
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pianohacker |
none of that |
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wahanui |
none of that is currently in Koha. If you want to use it, you'll be pretty much on my own. |
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rangi |
(i couldnt resist a bad prism joke) |
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cait |
rangi++ |
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magnuse |
rangi++ |
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jcamins |
The issue I have with using saved searches is that the useful analytics I'm envisioning would be anonymous, and those aren't. |
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jcamins |
You could do log file analysis, but on the balance I suspect it would be less trouble to just patch Koha to track it for you. |
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jcamins |
And I'm not really a huge fan of Piwik and JS-based tracking. |
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eythian |
really, there's no reason to use it. |
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eythian |
(in this context) |
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eythian |
we have the data ourselves. Storing searches with a cumulative count and a day attached would let you build pretty graphs. |
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eythian |
http://www.google.com/trends/ <-- then you could do stuff similar but different to this |
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jcamins |
Exactly. |
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rangi |
http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Main_Page/es <-- cool |
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jcamins |
Preferably with slightly less emphasis on US pop culture. ;) |
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eythian |
http://www.google.com/trends/e[…]20software&cmpt=q <-- e.g. |
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jcamins |
Nice! |
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eythian |
jcamins: hey, it's the only culture you have ;) |
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eythian |
(yogurt in the fridge doesn't count!) |
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eythian |
I wonder what happened in september '08 |
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jcamins |
Hehe. |
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jcamins |
They started tracking? |
| 22:23 |
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eythian |
http://www.google.com/trends/e[…]%20shuttle&cmpt=q <-- narp, not that. |
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jcamins |
Oh. |
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jcamins |
Huh. |
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jcamins |
Interesting. |
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wahanui |
interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
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pianohacker |
huh. check the region on "koha software" |
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eythian |
yeah, that's slightly odd too |
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* jcamins |
contemplates forward/next browsing in the staff client. |
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magnuse |
jcamins++ |
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jcamins |
I would like to do it in a way that works well. |
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jcamins |
And I'm on the fence about whether it should be JS-based or not. |
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* magnuse |
is generally in favour of things that work well |
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* jcamins |
ponders. |
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jcamins |
Does anyone have any examples of previous/next browsing that are well-done? |
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pianohacker |
jcamins: what exactly do you mean by that? |
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jcamins |
pianohacker: elegant implementations in F/OSS software. |
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jcamins |
I guess that was redundant. |
| 22:44 |
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jcamins |
The last 'S' is Software. |
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eythian |
jcamins: I think perhaps, what do you mean by "previous/next browsing"? |
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eythian |
Like, history modification, or paging, or...? |
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jcamins |
eythian: oh. Paging like we have on the OPAC where you can click on a link to go to the next item in the results list without returning to the list. |
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eythian |
oh, I see. |
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pianohacker |
oh! That makes sense |
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NateC |
ok im out |
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magnuse |
eythian++ for the suggestion on bug 10473 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10473 major, P1 - high, ---, amitddng135, In Discussion , Max length should be 2 digit for adding multiple copies in add items page |
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* magnuse |
calls it a day (and the best part of a night) |
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magnuse |
have fun #koha! |
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rangi |
cya magnuse |
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cait |
night all |
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wahanui |
goodnight cait. You'll be back. |
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eythian |
wahanui: candy is at http://candies.aniwey.net/ |
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wahanui |
OK, eythian. |
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cjh |
awesome game, spent far too long playing it. |
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jcamins |
Really? Does it get more interesting after the first ten seconds? |
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jcamins |
It appears to just be a counter that goes up. |
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cjh |
I have no idea what you are talking about... |
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jcamins |
cjh: the link eythian shared? |
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cjh |
:) |
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dcook |
morning #koha |
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cjh |
morning dcook |
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dcook |
hey ya cjh :) |
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jcamins |
So here's a question: is it necessary to plan for multiple simultaneous searches in a single session, or can I make the one-search-at-a-time assumption that the OPAC does? |
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eythian |
jcamins: don't do the thing that means tabs break everything. |
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mtompset |
Greetings, #koha. |
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dcook |
hey mtompset |
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wahanui |
i guess mtompset is disliking the silent warnings flooding his error logs. |
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jcamins |
eythian: right, I planned not to do that. |
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mtompset |
Could I get a second set of eyes, to make sure I'm not seeing things. |
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eythian |
well, that sounds like what you're asking, or isn't it? |
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jcamins |
eythian: oh, I see what you're sayin. |
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jcamins |
*saying |
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mtompset |
I'm looking at C4::Members.pm |
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jcamins |
eythian: as it happens, tabs (i.e. \t) break the OPAC browser. |
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eythian |
oh, no. I mean browser tabs |
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eythian |
ah |
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dcook |
mtompset: You poor soul |
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jcamins |
Right, good point. |
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mtompset |
There's a sub fixup_cardnumber. |
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mtompset |
Just before the sub there is a @weightings declaration. |
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mtompset |
There are 7 numbers in it, right? |
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mtompset |
~ line 889 in master. |
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mtompset |
But in the fixup_cardnumber, there is a $i loop. |
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mtompset |
~924. |
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mtompset |
It runs from 0-7. |
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mtompset |
That's 8 numbers. |
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jcamins |
That looks wrong to me. If you're using use vars, don't you not use my? |
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mtompset |
I didn't write that code, so don't ask me. :) |
| 23:28 |
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jcamins |
Actually, I was asking because I thought eythian probably knew. |
| 23:29 |
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eythian |
use vars is like 'our' |
| 23:29 |
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mtompset |
I'm just trying to make sense of it, because something is fishy about this function in general, and the more I work through it. The more I find ugly. |
| 23:29 |
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eythian |
so I'd expect using 'my' to locally scope them, which probably isn't what you want. |
| 23:30 |
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jcamins |
eythian: that's what I'd expect, too. |
| 23:30 |
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jcamins |
Thanks. |
| 23:30 |
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mtompset |
'our' or 'use vars' would be more Plak friendly? |
| 23:30 |
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eythian |
I'd generally avoid using either |
| 23:30 |
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mtompset |
(and more what is expected?) |
| 23:30 |
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eythian |
It's rare to need them |
| 23:30 |
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eythian |
(not that it doesn't happen, mind) |
| 23:31 |
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rangi |
the only reason we need to use an our, is a hack around the fact we are running through plack with a cgi wrapper |
| 23:31 |
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rangi |
it should be avoided at all opportunities |
| 23:31 |
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jcamins |
Yeah, that should be a my inside the subroutine. |
| 23:31 |
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mtompset |
Aaaaaa.... more ugly. |
| 23:31 |
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jcamins |
And probably not hardcoded. |
| 23:31 |
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jcamins |
mtompset: no, putting the variable inside the routine is less ugly. |
| 23:32 |
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mtompset |
cd kohaclone;grep "weightings" `find .` |
| 23:32 |
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mtompset |
C4::Input.pm |
| 23:32 |
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* eythian |
points out grep -r |
| 23:33 |
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mtompset |
AAAAAA.... more ugly. |
| 23:33 |
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jcamins |
mtompset: `grep -R C4::Members::weightings *` |
| 23:33 |
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pianohacker |
ag! |
| 23:33 |
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eythian |
less ugly |
| 23:33 |
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mtompset |
checkdigit looks awfully like fixup_cardnumber. |
| 23:33 |
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jcamins |
Or -r. Whichever. |
| 23:33 |
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mtompset |
I'm not reacting to your suggestion of grep -r, eythian. |
| 23:33 |
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eythian |
oh, right |
| 23:36 |
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mtompset |
should the validation and the generation functions for cardnumber be split like that? |
| 23:39 |
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mtompset |
Okay, I over-reacted a little, but the latter does prove my point that there's a code issue with the former. :) |
| 23:40 |
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eythian |
code issues aren't a terrible surprise :) |
| 23:43 |
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mtompset |
Eeeww... though the parameter names seems to be a misnomer in the case of checkdigit. If you choose kapito checkdigits and nounique=0, then it really is unique, because it checks the checksum digit. |
| 23:47 |
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* dcook |
points to what eythian said |
| 23:47 |
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dcook |
As much as I might complain about some parts, the only solution is to write a fix :p |
| 23:56 |
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mtompset |
I am working on a fix... it's just that the scope of my fix keeps creeping, it would seem. |
