IRC log for #koha, 2013-05-27

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00:13 wajasu i found that if the GetNormailzedISBN routine in  doesn't remove the tailing " (v.1)" and such, then the Business::ISBN returns a blank ISBN and that gets submitted inthe URL to Amazon. Thus no cover image.  I tried $isbn =~ s/(.*)( \| | \()(.*)/$1/;  and now i am getting more cover images.
00:13 wizzyrea that's a bug
00:13 wajasu yup
00:14 wajasu i'll write it up and a patch and give a test.  i think my librarian will be happy
00:19 eythian[…]he-perl-core.html
00:20 wajasu whoa!
00:26 tcohen nice reading eythian !
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03:25 jenkins_koha Starting build #123 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
03:26 rangi bgkriegel++
04:06 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #123: SUCCESS in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_3.10.x/123/
04:06 jenkins_koha Kyle M Hall: Bug 10293 - Bug 9930 needs to be reverted for 3.10.x
04:06 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10293 blocker, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Stable , Bug 9930 needs to be reverted for 3.10.x
04:06 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9930 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , can't update patron info in ccsr
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04:30 cait good morning #koha
04:31 eythian hi cait
04:31 cait hi eythian
04:31 cait still working?
04:31 eythian haven't broken yet, no
04:32 cait good
04:34 eythian isn't it a bit early there?
04:36 cait normal time
04:36 cait shortly after 6
04:36 eythian a bit early, that's what I said :)
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05:53 cait hm extra grey monday...
05:53 cait @wunder Konstanz
05:53 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 6.7°C (7:50 AM CEST on May 27, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
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06:57 alex_a bonjour
06:57 wahanui kai ora, alex_a
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07:12 huginn GERMS!!!!
07:12 wahanui i heard germs was
07:12 kf good morning #koha
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07:16 christophe_c hello #koha
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08:19 Viktor Morning Koha :)
08:19 rangi hi Viktor
08:43 * mtj waves to Viktor and rangi
08:44 Viktor Hi rangi and mtj
08:45 Viktor I must say that Koha gives me less headache than the other stuff I have to get right in the current migration :)
08:45 Viktor And 3.12 looks sweet!
08:48 rangi the best thing with Koha is its always improving
08:54 kf yep :)
08:54 * kf waves too
08:54 mtj ...yep, and improving at an increasingly faster pace
08:57 kf yep
08:57 kf hard to keep up with
08:58 mtj is there anyone running any RDA framworks with Koha, atm?
08:59 kf nope not currently
09:00 mtj hmm, perhaps i should make a bug to add RDA stuff to Koha
09:01 kf i think bywater might have been working on it
09:01 kf there was a blog post about rda a while back
09:01 kf and I think we'd need some new indexes
09:01 kf and xslt
09:02 mtj yes.. yes.. of course!
09:02 kf i think rda will cause some i18n issues at least with the carrier/media types being text in *your* language
09:03 mtj wow, how is that supposed to work.. ever?
09:03 kf *shrug*
09:04 kf maybe i am mistaken
09:04 kf oh there is a codenow
09:04 kf i take it bakc then
09:04 kf
09:05 kf ' codes were established     in MARC Update 10.'
09:08 mtj cool, thanks for the link kf++
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09:09 kf hm wonder when update 10 happened, i shoudl get my rda knowledge updated too :)
09:10 kf mtj: thereis also rangi's rda framework on the wiki
09:12 mtj fwiw, ive created a bug 10344 for this...
09:12 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10344 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , add RDA support to Koha
09:14 rangi RDA the R is for Retarded
09:15 rangi mtj: its all there already, just add the framework
09:15 kf like the R in MARC? :)
09:15 rangi what is missing is any explaination of wtf you are supposed to do with the data
09:15 rangi ie, its a librarian standard for librarians
09:15 rangi no benefit at all for library users
09:16 rangi all you can do is show it to them, and they will go, wtf is this supposed to mean
09:16 rangi yay huge improvement!!
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09:17 mtj yeah, i agree with all of that… :/
09:18 * kf gets out the coookie jar
09:18 rangi kf: yep and then you have MARC RDA .. its retarded squared!!
09:20 * kf hides
09:21 mtj rangi, we still need some additional patches to display and index/search RDA data correctly, i think?
09:22 mtj ie: xslt/tt and zebra mods
09:23 rangi xslt you can make your own, with the new syspref
09:23 rangi indexing it is pointless
09:23 rangi unless you have all your records catalogued with rda
09:24 rangi you will end up making big chunks of your catalogue unfindable
09:24 rangi so you have to try and do some mixed thing
09:24 rangi and since it will probably take about 20 years
09:24 rangi cos there is no way to automatically convert from aarc2 to rda
09:25 rangi it really seems like an utter waste of time
09:25 rangi have the framework, store the data, tick the rda box
09:25 mtj yep
09:25 rangi you can see it all in the marc
09:25 rangi and when/if someone actually figures out what use there is for it
09:26 rangi make the display/search mods at that point
09:26 rangi im not holding my breath
09:26 rangi LOC dumped it on the world
09:26 rangi and moved on to bibframe
09:26 rangi i think it was dead before it started
09:27 mtj aaaah, the rda data is already viewable via the marc-view?
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09:28 drojf good day #koha
09:28 mtj … well, thats the RDA display problem sorted :)
09:28 rangi mtj: yep
09:28 mtj heya drojf
09:28 rangi if its in your framework, it shows up, so you just have to load the RDA framework
09:29 rangi hi drojf
09:29 drojf hi rangi and mtj
09:33 mtj rangi, so updating the '*marc*_framework_DEFAULT.sql' files with RDA stuff, is still a valid patch?
09:34 rangi i wouldnt no
09:35 rangi because lots of places are not using RDA yet
09:35 rangi and its a moving target
09:35 rangi (there are proposed fields still that are being accepted)
09:36 rangi but i guess it wouldnt hurt
09:36 rangi as long as someone is going to keep it up to date
09:36 rangi course its only valid for MARC21 too
09:36 rangi hmm i have a good quote for this
09:36 rangi @quote get 252
09:37 huginn rangi: Quote #252: "<@jcamins> Really the issues is that Anglo-American libraries have settled on a profoundly stupid format that utterly fails to express anything that patrons care about, while going on at great length about things patrons don't care about." (added by chris at 10:42 PM, May 26, 2013)
09:37 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn.
09:37 rangi :)
09:38 drojf i thought it's all about fun for cataloguers, not information for patrons :P
09:39 rangi thats why im so keen on 3.14 to be able to care about other metadata formats
09:41 mtj is it problematic for a library that does not use rda, to have an rda-enabled fwrk?
09:41 kf mtj: before you update the frameworks - it might be inlcuded in the update bgkriegel did
09:41 kf and that is waiting for sign-off
09:41 mtj ...or, can they just ignore those fields?
09:41 kf he did a new default one adding all the new fields and subfields
09:41 kf because our default is in general a bit out of date
09:42 mtj kf, ah yes, -  i did see that patch somewhere…
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09:46 mtj curious, is RDA a spec for MARC21/USMARC only?
09:47 kf i think so
09:47 rangi yes
09:47 kf if other were to adopt RDA
09:47 * mtj does a quik google…
09:47 kf they would have to add fields to their marc flavour
09:47 kf germany adopts rda.. but we are marc21 users too
09:50 mtj wow, i havent even considered that RDA was just a USMARC thing :/
09:51 kf it's not in principle I think... it's new cataloging rules
09:51 rangi in theory its not
09:51 kf but when you look at the group that invented it, probably mostly US
09:51 rangi in practicality it is
09:51 kf i think germany is a member now
09:51 rangi ie, the standard refrences marc21 fields
09:51 kf hm not sure the toolkit does
09:52 kf
09:52 rangi im not going to pay to find out :)
09:52 mtj lol, fail
09:53 kf some of my coworkers work with it I think
09:53 rangi MARC 21 is one possible schema for encoding records created using RDA, but it will also be possible to encode records created using RDA in other schemas, such as MODS or Dublin Core.
09:53 rangi according to them, MARC21 == MARC
09:54 kf but the closednessof that new standard is what worries me most
09:54 rangi  <-- this is the only working schema afaik
09:55 rangi but yes
09:55 rangi 9 years
09:55 rangi (2004 they started)
09:55 kf
09:56 rangi yeah theres no unimarc on that
09:56 rangi all marc21
09:57 rangi do french librarians use AACR2 ?
09:57 kf i don't know
09:57 rangi cos if they dont, it couldnt imagine any benefit going to RDA
09:57 kf i think it's all related to isbd a bit too?
09:58 rangi who knows
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09:59 rangi i already know way more than anyone should ever have to know about cataloguing standards
10:02 mtj every time i attempt to understand anything about RDA, i feel i now understand less than before
10:03 alex_a_ lol
10:03 * alex_a_ too
10:05 rangi yeah, i gave up
10:05 mtj yeah… its a very strange feeling
10:09 mtj ok, now i think i shut up… :)
10:18 mtj an interesting doc about UNIMARC and RDA ->[…]35-dunsire-en.pdf
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11:22 jcamins rangi: no, UNIMARCers do not use AACR2.
11:24 kf oh no
11:25 kf not about the unimarcers
11:25 kf i just imported our fast add framework into koha 3.12
11:25 kf and all my hidden fields didn't get imported at all
11:25 jcamins Sounds like a bug.
11:25 kf oh yeah
11:25 kf big bad bug
11:26 kf hm actually it might be an export problem
11:27 jcamins Viktor: you had asked at some point about a way to scan items at high speed at some point. What did you want that feature for?
11:27 kf my fast add tempalte is broken... missing all the fields
11:28 kf ok, the big bad bug is on me... but I don't understand how it happened, i am quite sure I did only hide fields I didn'twant
11:29 kf but... where do I have a working framework. hm.
11:33 jcamins Myshkin was just cheated. :( There was a bird on the window sill, and as soon as he got close it flew away.
11:33 jcamins So unfair.
11:33 * kf nods
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12:20 kf hm
12:21 kf should the copy number be counting up when you use the add multiple items thing?
12:23 jcamins kf: that'd be a neat feature.
12:29 kf i thought it used to do that
12:29 kf hm.
12:30 jcamins I don't recall it doing that, but I've often wished it did.
12:30 kf well the bug is filed :)
12:31 Viktor jcamins The high speed scanning was to make shure you don't have to wait for the system as much. Scan at your pace and let the system work at it's own pace. We'd rather wait a bit at the end than wait for every barcode scanned.
12:32 jcamins Viktor: Okay, the offline circ would not meet your needs.
12:32 Viktor jcamins I do still think we will need it but I will try to benchmark scanning with Plack enabled for the staff interface before developing anything new.
12:33 kf Viktor: I think watiting at the end can take a lot longer because of the problems being missed
12:33 Viktor jcamins No. At least I don't think so. It's for those days when you have a class of 20 kids with ten books each and you have to work the fastest you can.
12:33 kf or just simple things like a popup for the materials note
12:33 kf *shrug*
12:34 kf bug 10245
12:34 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10245 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, chrish, Needs Signoff , OPAC items table CSS classes
12:34 kf bug 10346
12:34 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10346 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , "Add multiple copies" should be labelled "Add multiple items"
12:34 kf bug 10347
12:34 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10347 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Deactivate "Add item" button when "Add multiple copies" was activated
12:34 jcamins Viktor: the only reason the offline circ wouldn't work is that there's an extra step at the end where you have to approve your transactions.
12:35 Viktor kf Thing is it's easy to miss stuff just because the staff scan while looking at the barcodes and scan a bunch of books before finding out that an earlier one lit up a box that requires handling.
12:35 kf hm i am just not sure.... we were always trained to wait for the ils to confirm the checkout :)
12:35 kf I jobbed a bit at a busy public library and in an academic while in library school
12:36 kf it's probably me :) I have heard that so often that I wouldn't dare ignore the system :)
12:37 kf it will be interesting to see how the idea turns out :)
12:38 Viktor kf Thing is these guys have taken to their heart that you can change stuff in Koha and they don't like to have to wait for every single book. So I'm trying to build a workflow based on people not training them to base their workflow on the system :)
12:38 Viktor Interesting disussion about RDA!
12:38 kf Viktor: that makes a lot of sense .)
12:38 jcamins Viktor: the workflow problem is not about the technology, though, it's about the policies.
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12:39 Viktor I would love to see RDA implemented since we are switching in Sweden too. But RDF does seem a little more exciting to me I have to confess.
12:39 Viktor jcamins - True!
12:39 jcamins If you had a universal policy for circulation, a batch mode would be easy.
12:40 jcamins But if you have ten rules related to every single issue, they have to be checked after every issue.
12:40 Viktor jcamins - But it's often perceived as technology "The system requires us to do it this way". But people find their own ways :)
12:40 jcamins Otherwise the librarians will be all unhappy because the system let them check out a book it shouldn't.
12:40 Viktor jcamins - I have a correction to make!
12:41 Viktor It's not a batch module per se.
12:41 Viktor The workflow should still be the same.
12:42 Viktor Just that when you scan to fast for the system to keep up you'll get a barcode queue.
12:42 jcamins I know.
12:42 Viktor Ah, sorry :)
12:42 jcamins But in order to then keep up with what I assume will be a very complex circulation policy, you'll have to tell all the librarians to go through pile of books twice.
12:42 jcamins Once to check them out, once to check that they were checked out.
12:44 Viktor I will ponder that a bit since it might be a complication. But the experience should be very nearly the same as before. Just that you will not "lose scannings" the way the sometimes do today.
12:45 jcamins You'll still lose scans, just in a different way.
12:45 Viktor If someone scans a few books and discovers a problem with the first one it's possible to forget to rescan the following books.
12:45 Viktor Hmm.
12:46 jcamins Instead of losing scans because you didn't pay attention to the alert, you'll lose scans because there are no usable alerts.
12:47 Viktor Thats not the thought - my thought is that every problem should light up a persistent alert that you will have to handle before being able to end the transaction and print a receipt.
12:47 * jcamins still thinks that the solution would cause way more problems than it would solve.
12:47 Viktor I'm sorry but I'll have to be going soon.
12:48 Viktor Noted :)
12:48 Viktor I'll think about it.
12:48 * kf hands Viktor cookies to make him still like us
12:48 Viktor LOL thanks :)
12:49 Viktor If I create a mockup, a little animations, an RFC or something -will you guys have a look at it.
12:49 Viktor ?
12:49 jcamins Sure.
12:49 Viktor Great!
12:50 Viktor Thanks for the input! I'll have to be off.
12:53 tcohen morning #koha
12:54 * kf has a bug filing frenzy
12:54 kf good morning tcohen :)
12:55 tcohen hi kf
12:55 kf 10245 - 10251
12:55 wahanui -6
12:56 kf fix them while they are fresh!
12:56 kf :P
13:00 kf hmm
13:01 kf that
13:01 kf is not good
13:02 tcohen which ones kf?
13:02 kf catalouging search is broken
13:03 kf well the cataloguing log search
13:03 kf because one time we store itemnumber as object and the other time the bilbionumber
13:03 kf which creates a mess I think
13:04 tcohen there was a bug for that
13:05 kf this is a fresh out of the box 3.12 installation...
13:05 kf if there was a bug, we fixed it wrong.
13:05 kf :(
13:10 kf or i don't know - i guess we should not mix itemnumber/biblionumber in the same field
13:10 kf bug 10352
13:11 tcohen i'm loving 7883
13:11 kf bug 7883
13:11 tcohen wizzyrea++
13:11 kf guess i have tortured wahanui enough :)
13:11 kf aah
13:11 kf why wizzyrea? :)
13:13 tcohen didn't she provide the patch?
13:13 tcohen or was libsysguy?
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13:18 jcamins tcohen: I think you're thinking of the circulation log, which was fied by someone at BibLibre.
13:19 tcohen hm, I guess you're right
13:35 tcohen jcamins: would you use Class::Accessor fr a new Koha class?
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13:44 tcohen do 6413 add a new column to accountlines?
13:44 tcohen s/do/does/
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13:47 tcohen there was that Explosions in the sky album, from 2007
13:47 tcohen what was it called?... hmmm
13:48 tcohen oh, I remember: "All of a Sudden I Miss Everyone" :-P
13:48 kf bug 6413
13:48 kf wahanui?
13:48 wahanui kf?
13:49 tcohen it doesn't kf. i've just read it, thanks anyway
13:51 kf wondering why the bot didn't show the bug :)
13:51 jcamins tcohen: I would, yes.
13:52 tcohen is bug 6413 a bugfix?
13:52 jcamins kf: because huginn is the one who shows bugs, and huginn is offline.
13:52 kf huginn!
13:52 kf gmcharlt is too
13:52 kf should we be worried?
13:52 * kf is worried.
13:53 * kf files another bug then
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14:01 tcohen do we have jqplot in the codebase oleonard?
14:08 tcohen i think 6413 is wrong
14:10 tcohen doesn't fix the weirdness
14:14 jcamins tcohen: it's a holiday in the US so oleonard probably won't be around today.
14:14 tcohen oh, I didn't notice, thanks jcamisn!
14:24 tcohen jcamins, are koha plugins re-usable through several instances?
14:24 tcohen I see the placeholder in the koha-conf.xml file is not correctly filled (the one fr the plugin dir)
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15:05 tcohen magnus_away?
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15:10 jenkins_koha Starting build #47 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:15 tcohen how long will it take jenkins_koha?
15:17 jcamins About an hour.
15:18 jcamins tcohen: no.
15:18 tcohen about what jcamins?
15:18 jcamins Plugins.
15:18 wahanui plugins are just enabled or disabled with Wordpress, aren't they?
15:19 jcamins They are per-instance.
15:19 tcohen i found bug 9890
15:19 tcohen i'm providing a missing followup
15:20 tcohen for koha-create-dirs and koha-create
15:20 jcamins Oh, did I miss pushing it?
15:20 tcohen no, i understand there wasn't a patch for some missing bits
15:22 tcohen am i right jcamins?
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15:35 msaby hello #koha
15:35 tcohen hi msaby
15:35 tcohen IRC its kindof mute today
15:36 msaby our dev made a new nice improvement in javascript to acq page ;-))
15:36 tcohen the dashboard?
15:36 msaby If I have time I will try to "perlish" that
15:36 wahanui well, the dashboard is at
15:37 jcamins tcohen: you are right, yes.
15:39 msaby tcohen: a dashboard for acquisitions. it uses the login of the librarian
15:40 * tcohen heads to resuming its work on koha-create
15:40 msaby tcohen: and we hightlight the negative budgets in red
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15:41 tcohen interesting msaby, our librarians will start using acq once i manage to teach them
15:42 tcohen i usually introduce new features prior to new version deployments
15:43 tcohen acq will be our 3.12 highlighted feature
15:47 msaby tcohen: we also made some i
15:48 msaby some improvement to baskets and baskets groups display
15:51 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #47: SUCCESS in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.12.x/47/
15:51 jenkins_koha Owen Leonard: Bug 10261: Link to patron files missing from
15:58 gaetan_B bye !
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18:18 jcamins Alas, once again kf leaves right before I have a German question.
18:19 jcamins drojf: Berichte über Leben und Kunst <-- is it fair to translate "Berichte" as "Review"?
18:21 drojf jcamins: i think it is more like "report"
18:21 drojf but it depends on what is actually in there :)
18:21 jcamins drojf: I'm trying to understand what "report" means in this context.
18:22 jcamins The Hungarian translates as "report" too, but that doesn't really help much since I don't know any Hungarian, so I can't tell what it's about.
18:23 jcamins But in English we probably wouldn't publish a journal called "reports," so I was hoping maybe the German also meant review. :)
18:23 drojf looks like "account" also has this kind of meaning. at least leo tells me that, i wasn't familiar with it
18:24 jcamins Ah-ha! I think I've figured it out. So I could probably call it an assessment?
18:24 jcamins Or evaluation?
18:24 drojf i think it is more an "erzählung" kind of "bericht! something like this[…]wordShowSingle=on
18:24 drojf in a less fairytale-y way
18:25 drojf it could be an evaluation too
18:25 jcamins I love these Hungarian things that I have to ask for German help on. :/
18:25 drojf it's hard to say really without knowing the contents
18:25 drojf lol
18:26 drojf i bet hungarian is a nice language to learn too
18:27 drojf isn't it 'git checkout -b newbranchname origin/master' ?
18:27 * drojf is confused
18:28 jcamins Yes.
18:28 jcamins Unless you don't call your remote origin.
18:28 jcamins Or if you don't want a branch based on master.
18:29 drojf it's probably different for b2g/firefox os, but i am really sure this is exactly how i did it last time. and it worked.
18:29 jcamins What are you doing?
18:30 drojf trying to make the web browser on my phone use duckduckgo instead of google
18:30 jcamins That requires git?
18:31 * jcamins thinks that possibly Firefox OS is not ready for primetime.
18:31 drojf if you want to build it, yes. there is no obvious option to change it in the settings at this point
18:31 drojf definitely not ready
18:32 drojf but i finally managed to build the latest version so i'd like to play a bit more with it ;) there is probably some settings file that i could just search on the phone but where is the fun in that?
18:33 jcamins drojf: I'm pretty sure that's the reasoning of everyone who decides to use the tarball and zebraqueue_daemon.
18:34 drojf lol i guess you are right
18:35 maximep hey khall, is t/db_dependent/Holds.t in bug 9394 meant to replace t/db_dependent/Reserves.t ?
18:37 drojf AH! i was in the wrong folder and setup a branch just for gaia. no idea how to get rid of that or if it matters, but in the correct folder everything works ok
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19:25 drojf ok. it keeps wifi when it goes into standby and searches duckduckgo via https instead of google. got to add "firefox os developer" to my business card :P
19:26 adam_m Hello
19:27 drojf hi adam_m
19:27 adam_m I recently installed Koha, and have just been playing around with it before we actually start using it.
19:27 drojf cool. i hope you like it
19:27 adam_m I have added a library and added a few books, but it seems that the accounds i created cannot take any books out
19:28 adam_m It says there arent any available or whatnot. Is there something im missing when I add the actual book, such as the number of them to add?
19:30 adam_m And yes so far it seems like quite a good fit for our small rural school district
19:30 drojf have you set a default rule for circulation? and have you added items to the biblios?
19:30 jcamins adam_m: you need to do two things for it to work: 1) you must be creating items. 2) you must set up a default rule for circulation.
19:30 jcamins ... and drojf already answered.
19:30 jcamins jinx.
19:30 drojf ha!
19:30 drojf first time ever i was faster than jcamins :)
19:30 adam_m ah ok, that could be it, no i didn't make a rule for ciculation
19:31 * drojf makes a note in the calendar
19:32 drojf jcamins: is that really used?? (1)[…]ine.php?term=haus
19:32 adam_m thanks, hopefully this works :)
19:33 maximep adam_m: this page can be very useful at first
19:34 adam_m Perfect, thanks!
19:35 jcamins drojf: never heard of that.
19:36 drojf jcamins: i wonder how it is pronounced :D
19:36 jcamins Probably "haus." :P
19:36 drojf heh
19:37 drojf (2) is completely wrong btw
19:39 jcamins drojf: can "gewidmet" be used to refer to what you do when you sign a book to give to someone?
19:39 drojf absolutely!
19:40 drojf hm. or…
19:40 drojf language. think about it a second and all or nothing is possible
19:40 drojf lol
19:40 jcamins I'll take that first response.
19:41 jcamins It's actually Yiddish that I'm looking at.
19:41 drojf no on a second thought… i thjink it can only be gewidmet by the author, like "dedicated to". but now i'm not sure you meant that
19:42 jcamins Ooh.
19:42 jcamins That complicates things.
19:42 drojf sorry ;)
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19:43 drojf woah i got wortfindungsstörungen
19:47 * druthb stuffs drojf into Google Translate.
19:47 drojf there is a different word i am looking for but i can't come up with it. that's ridiculous. anyway i really think a widmung implies it is done by the author, not a person giving away the book
19:49 drojf druthb: that feels weird :D
19:50 cait hmm
19:50 druthb :P
19:51 * cait thinks about the word too now
19:51 cait jcamins: he is right, normally you would use it as 'dedicated to'
19:55 drojf i asked a bookseller friend and she says she knows no other word for it than widmung/gewidmet. maybe i made up that i know another word
19:56 cait i think i know what you think about
19:56 cait but can't thnk of the word
19:56 cait the things you glue into books?
19:57 drojf glue??
19:57 wahanui it has been said that glue is stil drying.
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19:58 drojf jcamins: do you have some more context for us?
20:00 cait good morning kathryn
20:01 kathryn evening cait
20:01 kathryn @wunder wellington,nz
20:01 kathryn hmmn I've forgotten something - it's chilly!
20:04 cait here too :)
20:04 drojf jcamins: so, after discussing it with a friend and asking google, in the end i'd say my first response was the correct one and i invented the existence of another word. ;)
20:04 cait @wunder Konstanz
20:05 cait huginn....
20:05 wahanui i guess huginn is a bot, not a person.
20:05 kathryn hehe
20:05 drojf (you are probably way past that book by now)
20:07 drojf cait: our language is complicated
20:07 drojf or it's just my brain…
20:09 cait nope
20:09 cait it's german
20:09 cait what did you expect?
20:09 cait germs?
20:09 wahanui Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.
20:14 druthb !
20:15 * druthb blames cait!
20:22 jcamins drojf: yay!
20:22 jcamins drojf: actually, I've been battling that book for hours.
20:25 cait must be worth the time then :)
20:27 drojf jcamins: sounds like fun :)
20:27 cait ok
20:27 cait someone tell me to hit that *Pay* button please
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20:31 tcohen hi rangi
20:33 tcohen @seen rangi
20:36 tcohen #koha, i've been told invitation letters were sent for people applying for their US visas
20:36 cait tcohen: did you get an email confirming your registration?
20:36 cait i am still waiting and getting a bit worried
20:37 tcohen registration?
20:37 cait for kohacon :)
20:37 cait or were you talking about something else?
20:37 tcohen until i0m not sure i can enter US soil i cannot register
20:37 cait i might be confused
20:37 cait oh
20:38 cait guess it's a little easier from europe :(
20:38 tcohen if i had the money i'd made my reservation already
20:38 tcohen but my boss told me "get your visa, then we talk"
20:39 tcohen i'mflying tonight to buenos aires
20:39 tcohen i'll know on wednesday
20:39 tcohen if i get the visa
20:40 cait fingers crossed!
20:45 wizzyrea @wunder nzwn
20:46 drojf huginn should teach wahanui some of the tricks…
20:46 wizzyrea ah is huginn gone awol
20:46 cait yeah :(
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21:07 rangi what this
21:08 rangi watch even
21:08 rangi wahanui: seen rangi?
21:08 wahanui rangi was last seen on #koha 0 seconds ago, saying: wahanui: seen rangi? [Mon May 27 21:08:09 2013]
21:08 rangi wahanui already knows that trick
21:08 wahanui rangi: i'm not following you...
21:08 rangi karma for rangi
21:08 wahanui rangi has karma of 575
21:08 rangi that trick too
21:08 drojf cool!
21:10 cait karma for drofj?
21:10 wahanui drofj has neutral karma
21:11 cait karma for drojf
21:11 wahanui drojf has karma of 96
21:11 tcohen welcome back wahanui
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21:28 maximep poll: bug or feature that it's possible to create holds on holidays
21:28 cait ?
21:29 cait do you mean with hold date in the future?
21:29 maximep yes
21:29 cait hm
21:29 wizzyrea pass
21:29 cait maybe not intentional but it seems not evil
21:29 cait i mean it' smeans just that the hold will take effect then, right?
21:29 maximep *see results* :P
21:29 cait nto that you get it exactly on that day
21:29 wizzyrea ^^
21:30 maximep hmmm good point
21:30 cait if I understand the feature correctly - we aren't using it so far
21:30 rangi ok off to meetings
21:30 wizzyrea glhf :)
21:31 maximep working on a feature to have repeating holds, so i'm deep in that code right now
21:31 wizzyrea interesting. fix it while you're at it.
21:31 maximep haha
21:31 cait maximep: i think marcelr has done work in that area
21:32 cait not sure if you interfere with each other or not
21:32 cait what does a repeating hold do?
21:32 cait and how many crazy hold schemes are out there?
21:32 maximep my code is very dependant on the patches by khall to have multiple reserves for the same user
21:32 maximep well, something as simple as
21:33 maximep borrowing a tv every monday from 10 to 12 for the next 4 months
21:34 wizzyrea don't you really want a calendar for that kind of thing?
21:34 maximep our clients are starting to use koha to manage more than just their books
21:34 maximep yes, it will be a future feature
21:34 wizzyrea no I meant, external to koha :P
21:35 maximep they were using other apps to do it
21:35 maximep but they want to just use koha for everything
21:35 * tcohen flies away, literally
21:36 cait :)
21:36 cait maximep: maybe it would be worth to have that feature separate from the holds system somehow?
21:36 wizzyrea what she said.
21:36 cait i can only imagine i tmakes something overly complicated even more complicated :)
21:36 eythian hi
21:36 wahanui bidet, eythian
21:37 maximep there would be so much code and features duplication
21:37 wizzyrea plugin :P
21:37 cait hi eythian
21:40 cait ah
21:40 cait looks like you are far already
21:40 maximep nah, that's only a few hours
21:41 maximep for now it just AddReserves everything when u place the hold
21:41 maximep well, more like 65 hours -_-
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22:11 cait good night all
22:11 drojf good night cait
22:13 maximep gn
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22:40 jcamins I don't know, there is a certain logic to having recurring holds in Koha. Assuming that it's for something that you check out.
22:42 jcamins Like, every year Professor Smith places a hold on Film A for May 15.
22:43 jcamins I'm not so sure about using it for the tech carts, though.
22:46 jcamins Shari asks if anyone knows of any software projects that do a good job selling themselves on their website.
22:46 eythian there probably are some
22:46 eythian I can't think of examples off the top of my head
22:46 jcamins eythian: yeah, that's what I said. "I'm sure there are some."
22:47 eythian <-- you mean stuff like this?
22:47 eythian <-- as opposed to stuff like this
22:47 jcamins Yeah, exactly.
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22:48 eythian the bigger end-user ones, like firefox and stuff probably count
22:49 wizzyrea firefox has quite a big brand/marketing
22:49 wizzyrea which reminds me that I really meant to re-do the website.
22:49 wizzyrea meant/mean
22:49 wizzyrea but the server is in flux so...
22:49 wizzyrea really probably no point right now.
22:50 jcamins As long as you change it on the new server, doesn't seem like it would be a problem?
22:51 wizzyrea heh, that kind of depends on whether we even get upload permissions
22:51 wizzyrea they had been messed up for a while
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23:46 jcamins If you needed a bug tracker for a new project, which one would you use?
23:47 wizzyrea oh boy.
23:48 wizzyrea in all truth?
23:48 wizzyrea probably github's
23:48 wizzyrea because people can attach pull requests to bugs
23:48 jcamins You know, you're the second person to say that.
23:48 jcamins I didn't even know Github had one.
23:49 wizzyrea well I'd just run the project through github
23:49 wizzyrea their tools are quite good
23:49 * jcamins had no idea.
23:53 jcamins Github wins.
23:54 wizzyrea what's the project? ;)
23:55 jcamins biblionarrator, of course!
23:55 wizzyrea oh of course :)
23:56 jcamins Shari is testing.
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23:57 jcamins And finding scads of bugs. :(
23:57 dcook morning #koha
23:58 wizzyrea that's good though
23:58 jcamins Very good. :)

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