IRC log for #koha, 2013-05-21

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00:00 wizzyrea hi brooke
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00:17 Brooke hi dcook
00:17 dcook hey Brooke
00:23 jcamins is not the most obvious user interface, is it?
00:23 jcamins Apparently I created a quest in the wrong realm.
00:24 jcamins I can't figure out how to see the realm.
00:24 rangi you choose it when you create a user
00:24 jcamins I mean, I saw a link up at the top left, so I clicked it, but talk about lack of feedback!
00:24 rangi i reckon running our own instance is the way to go
00:25 rangi its all dancer
00:25 rangi and TT
00:25 rangi[…]ews/
00:25 wizzyrea wait what realm am I supposed to join
00:26 rangi none of them, unless you want to muck around
00:26 wizzyrea ohh
00:27 rangi i was playing in play-perl
00:28 rangi
00:29 wizzyrea ohh cool
00:40 dcook Hmm, this could be fun
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00:58 Brooke 0/
00:59 jcamins rangi: definitely our own instance... I got a very nice note informing me that I had to abandon my quest because it was in the wrong place.
00:59 jcamins I never saw what place I was putting it in.
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02:08 rangi jcamins: did i show you this yet[…]6ecfef65e74ecd581
02:09 rangi gets you the star ratings, with isbn or issn if one exists as xml
02:09 jcamins Nice!
02:09 jcamins Why as XML?
02:10 rangi for this
02:10 rangi
02:10 rangi when i finish it
02:11 jcamins Neat!
02:11 rangi which will let you paste in the url of your xml feed
02:11 rangi and it will aggregate
02:11 rangi and offer a new feed :)
02:11 rangi mostly cos i can do
02:11 rangi pl2xml
02:11 rangi and xml2pl
02:11 rangi to get from an object to xml and back again
02:11 rangi to easy
02:12 rangi the feed from
02:12 rangi ill offer in json, or xml
02:12 jcamins Yeah, encode_json/decode_json is pretty easy too.
02:12 rangi but my idea is have that site, let people add their feed
02:12 rangi and it will harvest data
02:12 rangi and offer a communitywide rating :)
02:13 mtj hey chris, thanks for the key add, too - works perfect
02:13 rangi sweet
02:13 rangi so yeah the export bit is done
02:13 rangi i just have to build the UX for ratings
02:14 rangi to allow ppl to register/add feeds
02:14 rangi next stop after this
02:14 rangi
02:14 rangi based around the same idea
02:14 wizzyrea oh that's brilliant
02:14 mtj wow, truely awesome idea
02:14 wizzyrea it's YOUR birthday and you are giving US presents
02:14 wizzyrea legend.
02:14 rangi heh
02:15 rangi that was saturday i think
02:15 rangi after whisky
02:15 rangi when i was lounging around on the couch
02:15 wizzyrea meh. it's birthday SEASON.
02:15 rangi i gotta get it actually caching too, but thast one more line
02:15 mtj whiskey + coding = win
02:17 rangi course evergreen will be able to use the ratings too
02:17 rangi (its just star ratings at this stage)
02:17 rangi because its keyed by isbn/issn
02:18 rangi recommendations and reviews to follow
02:21 mtj tagging too, even?
02:21 rangi why not
02:22 rangi i think ill get people to agree to cc-sa
02:22 rangi when they add their feed
02:22 rangi to the list
02:22 rangi havent fully thought that through
02:22 rangi somethign like that
02:22 rangi that makes sense for data
02:27 rangi ill push all the code to gitorious too as soon as its doing something if people want to fork and do reviews or tags :)
02:28 wizzyrea rangi++
02:37 mtj wow, i just noticed all the goodreads patches
02:37 dcook I heard goodreads patches?
02:37 * dcook perks up
02:38 wizzyrea and then... amazon bought them :(
02:38 dcook :o
02:38 dcook What?!
02:38 rangi oh i did some of those a while ago then i got bored when amazon bought them
02:38 dcook :'(
02:39 rangi they work
02:39 rangi[…]ginui/8550215249/
02:40 dcook Another reminder of why I need my own system for managing my reading lists...
02:41 mtj they seem to have some useful api stuff ->
02:42 dcook Yeah, rangi and I chatted a bit about that a while ago
02:42 dcook I talked about putting something together but it just wasn't much of a priority, since our clients are mostly special libraries
02:42 rangi theres no reason someone cant make too ;-)
02:43 rangi if ptfs-europes rebus was floss id use that
02:43 rangi
02:44 dcook Hmm, good point, rangi
02:45 * dcook would have a much easier time trusting the Koha community with his reading habits rather than a company that's going to up and sell when it sees green
02:46 rangi *nod*
02:46 rangi we ahve a bunch of data now, reviews, tags, star ratings
02:46 rangi we should share it
02:46 rangi and not rely on 3rd party things that go away, or change, or sell our data ;-)
02:46 dcook \o/
02:47 rangi ideally
02:47 rangi we would do it distributed
02:47 dcook Admittedly, not everyone wants that information to be public
02:47 rangi like gravatar
02:47 rangi yep, thats why opt in
02:47 rangi sorry not gravatar
02:47 rangi libravatar
02:47 eythian
02:47 rangi
02:48 rangi
02:48 rangi any of those spread yourself out ideas i like
02:48 dcook I don't know if I necessarily want to spread myself out per se
02:48 rangi  <-- cool!
02:49 dcook But I want to have access to my information
02:49 dcook I guess I want to spread myself...but limit who can see me
02:49 rangi dcook: federate/distribute the service = less likely to go down
02:49 dcook Mhm
02:49 wizzyrea ooooo
02:49 dcook Hence why having a reading list with my local library isn't necessarily that useful
02:49 rangi *nod*
02:49 dcook If my local library goes down, changes vendors, etc. My data is gone.
02:50 rangi  <-- sydney
02:50 rangi thats a pretty sweet deal
02:50 wizzyrea man highlighting really throws people
02:51 wizzyrea at least the way we do it
02:51 rangi the zone1 ones are still better
02:51 dcook Intriguing..
02:51 rangi yep
02:52 rangi we do do it pretty weirdly
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03:00 eythian really, who isn't a zebran noob?
03:00 eythian -n
03:00 zebran00b lol, why change my handle now?
03:01 zebran00b its still my biggest pain
03:01 zebran00b congrats to whomever here was involved in 10.12
03:01 eythian 10.12 is still a long way away :)
03:02 zebran00b whats this I saw about a release?
03:02 zebran00b admittedly I only drove by a headline on Twitter, I didn't actually read anything
03:02 eythian that'll be 3.12 :)
03:02 jcamins 3.12.
03:03 wizzyrea confetti
03:03 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
03:03 wizzyrea more confetti
03:03 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'​`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'
03:04 zebran00b oops, I'm juggling projects on way too many platforms
03:05 zebran00b @eythian would you happen to know if I wanted to have, say, a mediawiki installed on the same server as Koha but with Koha still at the home directory level, how do I make the mediawiki accessible? AFAIK perl overrides the actual directory tree in the URL, right?
03:05 huginn zebran00b: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
03:06 zebran00b @huginn point and match.
03:06 huginn zebran00b: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
03:07 eythian zebran00b: well, I think there are some assumptions in your question that may be incorrect.
03:07 eythian perl doesn't override anything, but Koha does require that it is always at a fixed location from the root of the URL.
03:08 eythian You could put mediawiki into quite happily, for example
03:08 eythian or give it its own domain at
03:08 jcamins But that doesn't impact mediawiki at all.
03:08 jcamins They're different virtual hosts.
03:08 zebran00b interesting, it must be my fault from my muddled install
03:09 zebran00b I tried something like that, and when I went to, all I got was a Koha missing page error.
03:09 eythian that just means you didn't have your apache configured to understand the wiki location.
03:09 jcamins zebran00b: I think in order to have that work you'd have to combine them into a single virtualhost.
03:09 eythian yes, you would
03:10 jcamins Which would be the opposite of what all the instructions are going to assume.
03:10 rangi or do mod_proxy stuff, which would be needless complication :)
03:10 jcamins If you're proxying, use nginx.
03:10 * eythian would recommend virtual hosts, as it makes things easier should you want to split them up in the future
03:10 zebran00b cheers @eythian @rangi @jcamins
03:12 eythian zebran00b: IRC doesn't use '@' like that, it was around long before twitter :)
03:13 * eythian runs 'dch -v 3.12.00-1'
03:14 zebran00b I know, but IRC chat protocols are fairly low on my to-do list
03:15 eythian it also makes huginn cranky. Or at least confused.
03:15 jcamins Hey, what happens if you send huginn an @later with instructions to @later someone else...
03:15 jcamins @later tell huginn @later tell jcamins hi
03:15 huginn jcamins: Error: I can't send notes to myself.
03:15 jcamins Darn.
03:16 wizzyrea haha pwnt
03:16 eythian wahanui: remind cait later is <reply>@later tell cait it's early, go back to bed
03:16 wahanui OK, eythian.
03:17 eythian wahanui: remind cait later
03:17 wahanui @later tell cait it's early, go back to bed
03:17 huginn wahanui: The operation succeeded.
03:17 wahanui huginn: huh?
03:17 huginn wahanui: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
03:17 wahanui ...but i'll give you the answer as soon as rda is <reply>...
03:17 wizzyrea lol eythian
03:17 eythian I was almost expecting a botwar there.
03:17 wizzyrea that would have been epic.
03:18 eythian wahanui: The operation succeeded is <reply>I'm making a note here: HUGE SUCCESS
03:18 wahanui OK, eythian.
03:19 wizzyrea <snort>
03:19 jcamins remind cait later
03:19 wahanui @later tell cait it's early, go back to bed
03:19 huginn wahanui: The operation succeeded.
03:19 wahanui I'm making a note here: HUGE SUCCESS
03:19 jcamins Hehe.
03:24 druthb LOL
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04:02 eythian I think the Koha debian repo needs some trimming. It's far too large with unused files.
04:04 dcook Like what?
04:04 * dcook says only because he plans to install Koha via packages sometime this week
04:04 eythian koha/pool/main/k/koha/koha_3.9-1~g​it+20121101121026.5994dd21.tar.gz
04:04 eythian 31293440  68%  654.81kB/s    0:00:21
04:04 eythian that kind of thing
04:04 eythian just old, supersceeded versions, but with their large files still around.
04:05 eythian it's supposed to clean them up, but apparently it doesn't always.
04:05 wizzyrea harm in nuking it?
04:05 eythian none, there's tools to do it for me.
04:05 eythian right now the whole thing is 1.2GB
04:06 dcook Any chance of people downloading the wrong/outdated files?
04:06 eythian no.
04:06 eythian unless they actively go looking for them
04:07 eythian $ reprepro dumpunreferenced | xargs du -hc | tail -1
04:07 eythian 989Mtotaal
04:07 wizzyrea yeh, I'd get rid of it
04:07 dcook Hmm, I wonder why the tools aren't always doing it then
04:07 eythian that's how much is unused
04:07 dcook Wow
04:09 eythian down to 287MB now, that's more reasonable
04:12 dcook :D
04:17 wizzyrea wooot
04:27 eythian dependencies for moving 3.10 to oldstable built, new stuff uploading now.
04:30 eythian * uploaded
04:32 dcook ^_^
04:32 wizzyrea eythian++
04:32 dcook I was hoping that the 3.12 packages would be up in time for my first Koha-Debian install
04:32 dcook eythian++
04:34 dcook All right, belated lunch time pour moi
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05:10 aj_ Can anyone suggest how to modify email headers from koha?
05:42 pastebot "magnuse" at pasted "how do i get to 3.12.0 from here?" (12 lines) at
05:43 eythian ah.
05:43 eythian the RC version numbers were built in a way that doesn't work.
05:45 eythian magnuse: try apt-get install koha-common=3.12.00-1
05:46 magnuse The following packages will be DOWNGRADED:
05:46 magnuse koha-common
05:46 wahanui koha-common is, like, the one you want, the main koha one needs a bit more work (its for setting up a single instance)
05:46 magnuse that looks promising :-)
05:46 eythian magnuse: yep
05:46 magnuse excellent
05:46 magnuse eythian++
05:46 magnuse thanks!
05:46 eythian np
05:55 magnuse rfps--
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06:33 reiveune hello
06:33 dcook hey ya reiveune
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06:38 jajm hello
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06:41 christophe_c hello #koha
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06:52 aj_ i am upgrading to koha 3.12 on a production environment
06:53 aj_ can i enable Use memcached and memoize to cache the results of some function calls? during update?
06:53 aj_ it was not enabled in the previous installation
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06:54 samueld hi everybody :-)
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07:11 cait good morning #koha
07:13 dcook morning cait :)
07:13 cait morning dcook
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07:16 dcook hi francharb
07:16 dcook night #koha
07:16 matts hi #koha !
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07:18 gaetan_B hello
07:18 wahanui kai ora, gaetan_B
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07:20 cait hi matts and gaetan_B :)
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07:22 gaetan_B hi cait :) still on holiday ?
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07:22 cait yesterday was a holiday, today is just vacation :)
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09:32 magnuse christophe_c++
09:32 christophe_c magnuse: ;-)
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10:08 rangi getting there
10:08 rangi
10:09 rangi plus[…]6ecfef65e74ecd581
10:14 magnuse wow, that is very cool!
10:14 magnuse rangi++
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10:21 magnuse too bad we don't have better IDs than ISBN to base it on...
10:23 rangi yeah, isbn and issn is really all we have for now
10:23 cait very cool rangi++
10:23 magnuse just you wait until we have cool linked data URIs ;-)
10:24 rangi that will be cool :)
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11:53 samueld hi, i've a git question: I've made a git remote update and a git rebase v3.12.00 on my test instance but i keep the same version(, An idea?
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11:59 drojf hi #koha
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12:23 NateC morning!
12:23 wahanui morning is a state of cat
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12:26 drojf hi NateC
12:26 drojf not much going on here today
12:26 NateC all quiet on the Koha front?
12:27 drojf looks like it. probably hung-over from release parties
12:27 * cait waves
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12:27 * drojf waves to cait
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12:29 cait hi khall_away :)
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12:33 cait hi oleonard
12:33 oleonard Hi
12:41 tcohen morning cait oleonard
12:43 drojf hi oleonard and tcohen
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12:56 oleonard I'm surprised Bug 10267 hasn't come up before
12:56 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10267 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , No error message when entering an invalid cardnumber
12:57 oleonard Easy enough to set maxlength on the text input, but I suspect people also want some kind of JS warning if they have hit the limit (say, from a barcode scan)
12:57 oleonard Or better just to up the limit to 50 or 100 and forget maxlength?
13:00 drojf i wonder if it is worth to ask people again to stop cross-posting or just give up
13:00 cait oleonard: we were setting up staff acounts, trying to use the name
13:00 samueld what does it mean this message when i use opac as a cms "Software error:  Global symbol "$cgi" requires explicit package name at /home/koha/kohaclone/opac/ line 63. syntax error at /home/koha/kohaclone/opac/ line 70, near ") {" Execution of /home/koha/kohaclone/opac/ aborted due to compilation errors."
13:01 jcamins You have a syntax error in the Perl.
13:01 cait samueld: the koha as a cms hack is probably not suitabel for current versions
13:02 jcamins And, yeah, I think using that is a bad idea.
13:02 cait oleonard: not sure i understand your suggestions - cardnumber is 16 chars
13:03 oleonard cait: Change the db?
13:03 wahanui oleonard: that doesn't look right
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13:03 oleonard Sorry wahanui
13:03 cait oleonard: a warning message would be nice, that the value entered is too long, not sure how easy it is to do - could we use the new form validation thing?
13:03 * oleonard dusts off wahanui
13:03 cait no i think actually 16 is quite reasonable
13:03 samueld yes, that 's for why i battle with the head of the library who wants to have a complete website with koha, instead of using other tools like drupal
13:03 jcamins samueld: tell him/her that if s/he wants to do that, s/he will almost certainly have to pay a developer to write the feature.
13:04 jcamins That should persuade your boss it's not a good idea. :)
13:04 jcamins Well... maybe, anyway. ;0
13:04 jcamins *;)
13:05 samueld yes, good idea and with the financial restrictions in high school, that will be difficult
13:05 jcamins My thought exactly. Drupal already exists and does not require a large up-front investment.
13:07 cait there are lots of nice open source options for creating websites
13:10 drojf like html
13:10 * drojf hides
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13:20 Dyrcona Ooh. Catalyst IT got mentioned in an op-ed on No mention of Koha, though.
13:21 jcamins Dyrcona: the Koha Catalyst not the EG Catalyst, right?
13:21 jcamins :)
13:22 Dyrcona jcamins: Right. In an op-ed about Wellington and the latest round of disparaging remarks against the capital city.
13:22 jcamins Dyrcona: I didn't realize that you followed NZ news.
13:22 * Dyrcona has been thinking of moving there, but is now leaning towards Uruguay.
13:23 jcamins And, I can't say I'm too surprised by the mention... Catalyst runs
13:23 jcamins Uruguay?
13:25 Dyrcona I did not know that Catalyst runs
13:25 Dyrcona As for Uruguay, it looks like a good choice based on personal liberty and lifestyle.
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13:35 drojf oleonard++ # useful email > complaining on irc
13:35 drojf now make that an auto-reply to every live dvd topic
13:37 gerundio hey guys, long time :)
13:37 gerundio I'm performing my 1st Koha update from 3.08.05 to 3.08.12
13:37 cait Dyrcona: i don't know anything about uruguay, but wellington seemed rather nice :)
13:37 gerundio so far so good
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13:38 gerundio but I just noticed that bug 7973 says "This patch has been pushed to master." on March 23rd but didn't make it to this release
13:38 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7973 new feature, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Allow for new type of LDAP authentication
13:38 gerundio I've seen version 3.12.0 release notes ( and it's there
13:39 cait it should be in there
13:39 cait why do you think it is not?
13:39 gerundio does this mean that it won't make it to the 3.8.x branch where I solved it in the 1st place?
13:39 cait it's a new feature
13:40 cait therefore it won't go into maintenance versions
13:40 cait it should be in 312, but it will not go down fromthere
13:40 gerundio ok, thanks for the heads up cait++
13:42 gerundio btw, in the meantime I'm thinking of updating koha to 3.10.x or 3.12.x ... is the upgrade process similar to this one I just performed or are there any major changes to it?
13:42 cait it owuld be similar
13:42 jcamins gerundio: same process, but it takes a bit longer.
13:42 jcamins Well, much longer.
13:43 gerundio but other than that, config files and such remained the same?
13:45 cait gerundio: what do you mean?
13:46 jcamins The same files exist. They just have to be updated the same as they were from 3.8.5 to 3.8.12.
13:46 gerundio my config file from 3.8.5 to 3.8.12 remained exactly the same
13:47 jcamins Right, but that's because there were no changes, not because you didn't have to update them.
13:47 drojf gerundio: what do you mean by "solved it in the first place"? did you write the patch against 3.8 and not master?
13:47 gerundio jcamins, I know
13:47 jcamins There will be minor changes to the config files, but no changes to the process.
13:48 gerundio jcamins, ok :)
13:49 gerundio drojf, long time since I've done it, in the end it wasn't even me the one to submit the patch
13:49 gerundio you can see the bug history
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13:54 gerundio drojf, yes :p
13:55 drojf gerundio: then you submitted the patch ;) the others only signed off and passed qa. and chris did a tiny follow-up
13:55 drojf afaics
13:56 gerundio drojf, vfernandes did something regarding the patch too
13:56 gerundio I know I had some trouble with git at the time
13:56 gerundio in order to submit the patch according to koha's rules
13:57 gerundio anyhow, since it isn't going to make it to 3.8.x I'll have to patch it myself everytime I update in that branch
13:58 drojf true
13:58 gerundio btw, it won't make it to 3.10.x either, right?
14:01 nengard anyone know what 'flagged' means in terms of subfields in frameworks?
14:01 cait no idea, it seems it was always there, but we never noticed
14:03 cait bbl
14:05 nengard hehe
14:05 nengard anyone know why jenkins isn't checking the manual anymore?
14:06 nengard not a big deal, just curious
14:07 oleonard jenkins_koha: RTFM!
14:07 jenkins_koha oleonard did you mean me? Unknown command 'RTFM!'
14:07 jenkins_koha Use '!jenkins help' to get help!
14:07 nengard LOL
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14:09 jenkins_koha Starting build #42 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
14:13 nengard hmm ... well jenkins is working, just not on the manual
14:13 nengard :)
14:14 nengard :p (is what i meant)
14:15 drojf why is there "When installing on Ubuntu Lucid, you will need to manually install these files first: "-stuff in the "Koha on debian squeeze"-wiki page?
14:18 oleonard copypasta?
14:19 drojf i'm sure that wasn't on there when i prepared my workshop, around last december. unforunately i am too stupid to use the compare revisions thing
14:20 drojf now that i wanted to tell people "it's easy, just use this", i consider the page to confusing to do that
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14:21 drojf *too
14:22 drojf maybe it has always been there and i kicked it out of my notes immediately
14:23 * tcohen found MGMT good background music for the Rmaint task
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14:27 drojf how does the repository work now? 3.12=squeeze, 3.10==oldstable… what about 3.8?
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14:43 gmcharlt @quote random
14:43 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #65: "<wizzyrea_> koha doesn't make you pizza... it only makes you pizza metadata" (added by gmcharlt at 05:00 PM, March 02, 2010)
14:43 gmcharlt @later tell drojf hoarystable ?
14:43 huginn gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
14:43 wahanui I'm making a note here: HUGE SUCCESS
14:46 nengard HA
14:47 tcohen nengard: are u ok with the solution oleonard provided for bug 6399?
14:47 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6399 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , tooltip for tags that says 'separate by comma'
14:48 nengard yes ... i signed off on it :)
14:48 nengard I agree that we can do a follow up with adding that tip to other pages, but the patch is sound and fixes the problem
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14:49 tcohen yes, it clarifies the user on how to add tags
14:49 tcohen but doesn't add a tooltip :-D
14:49 nengard oh, i'm not picky - as long as it get clarified I trust oleonard to choose how to do that
14:49 nengard i wouldn't have signed off if i had a problem with it
14:50 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #42: SUCCESS in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.12.x/42/
14:50 jenkins_koha * Mathieu Saby: Bug 10191: Close 2 option tags in and
14:50 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 10178 - Typos in plugins for 006 and 008 in MARC21
14:50 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10191 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Pushed to Stable , 2 option tags are not closed in and
14:50 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10178 trivial, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Stable , Typos in plugins for 006 and 008 in MARC21
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15:01 pianohacker good morning
15:06 oleonard Hi pianohacker
15:08 oleonard pianohacker: Have you used require.js/angular.js/something similar?
15:09 pianohacker oleonard: I've been experimenting a bit with require on a personal project, and we used require at the USGS. I quite like it
15:10 oleonard It was recommended to me but I don't know much about it yet
15:11 oleonard Every time I think about how it might be used with Koha I go off on a tangent about some other JS issue
15:13 * oleonard is working right now with Modernizr + enquire.js to try to address some responsive layout issues with the new Bootstrap OPAC
15:14 pianohacker ooh
15:14 pianohacker that sounds quite interesting
15:15 oleonard enquire.js lets you trigger JavaScript events based on media-query-like breakpoints
15:15 oleonard I'm trying it here because I used it with success on another project
15:17 pianohacker that's very handy
15:17 pianohacker I can only imagine the browser hackery required to make it, though...
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15:25 Rafael_br Hi everyone.
15:26 pianohacker hello
15:26 Rafael_br I am trying to install koha 3.12 in ubuntu 13.04 using the instructions in the wiki page. I have carefulled followed every step, but when I try to login to admin interface I get the following eror: Can't use an undefined value as an ARRAY reference at /usr/lib/perl5/ line 2054.
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15:26 Rafael_br Is this a known issue? Should I downgrade to 3.10?
15:27 Rafael_br The only step I did not follow was to tweak trhe host file, because for now I am ok with using localhost:80
15:29 Rafael_br I googled this error, I found a bug, but with problems to create an order. But I have not been able to access the interface admin at all.
15:30 reiveune bye
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15:33 jenkins_koha Owen Leonard: Bug 6399 - tooltip for tags that says 'separate by comma'
15:33 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6399 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , tooltip for tags that says 'separate by comma'
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15:35 pianohacker Rafael_br: Is there anything else on screen or in your error logs? That error makes sense, but there's a number of things that could cause it
15:39 Rafael_br pianohacker:  in log, prior to the line I pasted I get
15:39 Rafael_br [error] [client] [Tue May 21 12:28:37 2013] DBD::mysql::db selectrow_array failed: Table 'koha_biblioteca.systempreferences' doesn't exist at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 558.
15:39 Rafael_br Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 317.
15:40 pianohacker Rafael_br: Hmm, it sounds like something went a bit funky while installing the database
15:40 Rafael_br I did the steps to create the koha instance in sql. Replacing library for biblioteca (liubray in portuguese). Now I see that this table was not created... Is this table created by the installer?
15:41 pianohacker Rafael_br: Yes, it should be
15:41 pianohacker Would you mind logging into mysql and checking to see if that table exists and has contents?
15:41 Rafael_br should I repeat : sudo koha-create --create-db biblioteca
15:42 pianohacker No, that should have worked
15:42 jcamins You need to go through the web installer.
15:42 Rafael_br But I cant access the web installer... Trying to reach localhost:80 gives me the first error
15:43 jcamins Disable DEBUG in your Apache host file.
15:44 * jcamins isn't really here though.
15:44 Rafael_br jcamins: you mean /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/biblioteca ? I can't find debug enabled here
15:45 oleonard jcamins is on a Caribbean beach sipping piña coladas after receiving his RM bonus check
15:45 Rafael_br pianohacker: will log in sql. Sorry did not see your suggestion
15:46 pianohacker np
15:48 gaetan_B bye !
15:49 jcamins Somehow tje DEBUG environment variablw is set.
15:49 Rafael_br mysql> show tables from koha_biblioteca; Empty set (0.00 sec)
15:49 Rafael_br hum, no tables created
15:49 jcamins oleonard, no, still waitinfg on tje check.
15:50 Rafael_br the database seems to be empty
15:50 oleonard Rafael_br: If the web installer hasn't run there won't be any tables yet
15:50 pianohacker jcamins: Does that cause the installer to try to select from the db before it's ready?
15:50 jcamins Right, because you can't gwt ti the installer.
15:50 Rafael_br oleonard: But to run the webinstaller I have to access the webinterface in,localhost:80 right?
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15:51 Rafael_br Maybe this is what I got wrong
15:51 jcamins Yes. Hence the DEBUG guess.
15:51 jcamins My patch failed qa and I didn't care enough.
15:51 oleonard Rafael_br: Yes, if you configured the staff interface to run on :80. Usually that's the port the OPAC runs on.
15:52 Rafael_br oleonard: I used the  /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf exampled in ubuntu installation wiki.
15:52 Rafael_br INTRAPORT="80"  # TCP listening port for the administration interface
15:53 jcamins And you set up DNS?
15:53 Rafael_br jcamins:  No because I am ok with using it from for now
15:53 jcamins That doesn't work.
15:54 Rafael_br jcamins: I see, maybe because of rewrite modules? Ok, I will configure DNS
15:54 jcamins You have two sites on tje same port and same IP.
15:54 jcamins Apache doesn't know which you want.
15:54 Rafael_br jcamins: I see.. And apache rewrite need dns to take care of it, tight?
15:55 Rafael_br jcamins: Ok, I will resume this step I skipped. Thanks a lot everyone. I think everything will be ok now
15:55 jcamins No, just birtual host configuration.
15:55 Rafael_br jcamins: Ok.. But I have no domain registered. So I just cheat tweaking hosts file.
15:56 jcamins Right.
15:56 pianohacker Rafael_br: Any chance you could post /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/biblioteca on ?
15:56 jcamins Or change the port.
15:56 wahanui jcamins: that doesn't look right
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15:57 Rafael_br pianohacker: Yes, 1 sec
15:58 Rafael_br pianohacker:
15:58 oleonard pianohacker: We also have :)
15:59 pianohacker oleonard: Thanks, I was trying to find that
15:59 oleonard Just ask!
15:59 oleonard paste?
15:59 wahanui I eat paste! It's tasty!
15:59 pianohacker Rafael_br: Try going to http://localhost:8080/
16:00 pianohacker thanks wahanui
16:00 Rafael_br pianohacker: No response.
16:00 Rafael_br pianohacker: It is not listening in 8080
16:01 Rafael_br netstat -ntl show me no listening in 8080
16:01 pianohacker Rafael_br: add Listen 8080 to /etc/apache/ports.conf ,then restart apache
16:02 Rafael_br pianohacker: Thanks
16:03 Rafael_br pianohacker: It worked, I get a login dialog
16:03 Rafael_br so my admin interface is in 8080. And after I run the web installer client will access in 80, right?
16:03 pianohacker Rafael_br: the opac will be on 80, yes
16:03 Rafael_br maybe this step is missing in ubuntu installer wiki
16:04 pianohacker oleonard: In other, unrelated news:
16:05 Rafael_br Thanks a lot! I can go lunch happily. I will be here frequently this days... I am setting up a small library in Brasil for a Educational Workers Center.. I also hope to contribute with translation t portuguese!
16:06 oleonard pianohacker: Thinking of updating the web installer interface perhaps? ;)
16:06 pianohacker hahahaha
16:06 pianohacker Rafael_br: Did the installer open up after you logged in?
16:07 Rafael_br pianohacker: Yes, it is asking me the language. For now I have only en. I will read the docs about installing other languages
16:07 pianohacker Rafael_br: okay, awesome.
16:07 wahanui That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, pianohacker
16:11 druthb awesome!
16:11 wahanui That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, druthb
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16:11 druthb wahanui:  botsnack cookie
16:11 wahanui thanks druthb :)
16:11 * druthb blames melia, today.
16:11 melia morning druthb :)
16:12 druthb mornin'.
16:12 pianohacker good morning druthb
16:12 druthb Hi, pianohacker! :)
16:15 druthb mmmm…Jamaican buffet….
16:15 pianohacker that sounds really good
16:15 druthb One of the many benefits at cPanel.  Daily catered lunch
16:16 oleonard Swank.
16:16 druthb Srsly.  Snacks, everyone equipped with dual monitors that wants 'em, with *nice* headphones.
16:16 oleonard Maybe not so good for after-lunch productivity, unless they offer siesta couches too?
16:17 druthb A few folks do not have desks, but have chosen sofas, or (in one case) a honkin' big conference table.
16:17 druthb Standing desks, if you want 'em...
16:18 druthb …and the boss-man occasionally does nice things for us.  Last Friday, he bought out a whole 7:00PM showing of the new Star Trek film for us.
16:19 pianohacker ... which was quite good
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16:19 druthb indeed.
16:19 * oleonard is a Star Trek curmudgeon
16:19 druthb And in a room full of Unix/Linux/Mac geeks, watching the previews system crash and show a *windows* error was *priceless*
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16:30 pianohacker oleonard: Which series?
16:32 oleonard pianohacker: I'm grumpy about Abrams' new movies. Makes me want to go back and watch the original series instead.
16:32 pianohacker gotcha
16:36 druthb the new films, while rearranging the universe…have one thing in common with TOS that seems to irk some women.  Instead of the strong, competent women of DS9 and VOY and ENT, we're seeing very TOSsy, here-I-am-in-a-short-skirt-save-me-Jim-Kirk women.
16:38 pianohacker yeah, they definitely brought that forward, especially for Uhura and (Alice Eve)
16:38 druthb Definitely.  Uhura is less aloof and prissy than she was in TOS, but it's still very 60's-ish.
16:39 druthb (Disclaimer: I'm in a unique position, having seen VOY through two sets of eyes, and it's *radically* different through a woman's lens.  So I'm biased about such matters.)
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16:47 pianohacker druthb: Even just having janeway and 7 of 9 in the same series makes for an interesting combo :)
16:49 druthb Yes, although Seven is *much* less of a serious character.  The comedic relief of Data, in a catsuit to make the fanboys drooool.  (Well, fair 'nuf.  And fangirls.)  But Janeway was an awesome captain, given the screwy situations.
16:51 oleonard "Into Darkness" didn't exactly pass the Bechdel test did it?
16:52 * druthb thinks.
16:52 druthb No, I don't believe it did.
16:53 druthb There were only a couple of women who were more than bit-parts *at all*, and I don't recall them interacting much at all.
16:56 pianohacker I think at this point it's easier to keep a list of movies that pass bechdel than ones that fail it, unfortunately...
16:58 * oleonard was reminded of it when thinking about Janeway & 7 of 9
17:02 druthb They frequently talked *about* men, without breaking the sprit of bechdel, IMO…crewmates, work, etc.  But quite often, the episodes passed that test.
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17:31 seneca Hello everyone - we're running into a strange issue that may have something to do with a bug we've found a thread about, but I wanted to check with the experts:
17:31 seneca http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.[…]ch-td5740600.html
17:31 seneca that's the bug
17:32 seneca our site is at
17:32 seneca in case anyone wants to see it first hand
17:33 cait seneca: did it work before?
17:34 cait did you do an update or something before it stopped working?
17:35 cait hm not sure I see the problem in your catalog
17:36 jcamins Ahhh... life is good when you're not RM.
17:36 cait lol
17:36 jcamins Ayup. I could get used to this.
17:36 * druthb chuckles
17:37 seneca cait, we didn't notice this happening in alignment with a certain update
17:37 seneca if you go to our tag cloud and choose the vacation tag, for example
17:37 cait seneca: what exactly happened? I can see the availability just fine
17:37 seneca then go to the last of the three result pages...
17:38 cait hm i see
17:38 cait but it only happens for some
17:38 seneca yeah, say for "Turtle in Paradise"
17:38 cait i see it happens for the lemonade war
17:38 cait have you tried reindexing?
17:38 seneca clicking through on hat entry shows the correct availability, but the tag cloud results don't
17:39 seneca additionally, a regular search for say, "turtles," will return this book and have the availability correct, so it's just the tag cloud query that is incorrect, and only for some records
17:40 seneca the bug thread I linked to sounds like it was the same symptom, but there seemed to be some question as to the nature of the issue
17:40 cait i haven't read about this particular problem - i would suggest you open a new bug on bugzilla
17:41 seneca OK - will do, just wanted to see if anyone knew more details about that bug... it seemed not-quite-resolved  in the thread
17:41 seneca thanks!
17:43 cait sorry that I can't help
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17:47 zzzzzzz woah,sebchat is ridiculous on my phone
17:47 zzzzzzz webchat
17:50 drojf uh the font suddenly grew
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17:58 * gmcharlt sends up the QA alert -- bug 8215 (course reserves) is really close to being ready for merge into master
17:58 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8215 new feature, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Add Course Reserves
17:58 cait I need to get some other things done this week - maybe i can take a look at the weenend
18:05 cait gmcharlt++ lots of follow ups :)
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18:07 * jcamins waves to hankbank and offers (much-) belated congratulations on his library's expansion.
18:08 jcamins (I saw an announcement about a new position several weeks or months ago and made a mental note to say something congratulatory about it)
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18:11 drojf good evening from a real computer
18:11 oleonard Good evening from a real human
18:12 drojf lol
18:13 oleonard Of course that's just the kind of thing a deceptive chatbot would say
18:14 gmcharlt oleonard: yeah, I think a higher level of proof is needed to show that you're not just an excellent CSS-emitting machine ;)
18:15 cait :)
18:15 cait the speed of his patch writing at least suggests a super human
18:16 oleonard The tough part is to throw in some stupid mistakes, get some patches failed often enough.
18:16 drojf heh
18:17 * jcamins proffers a foolproof test:
18:17 jcamins oleonard: what is your position on mozzarella marinated in olive oil and herbs?
18:17 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7883 - Save and continue editing for cataloging <[…]3eeb8d5844fabbc86>
18:18 oleonard jcamins: Olive oil gums up my joints
18:18 oleonard Whoops.
18:18 cait lol
18:18 gmcharlt oleonard++
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18:28 ryanlee Hey all, this is Ryan from Northeast Kansas Library System.
18:29 pianohacker hi ryan
18:29 ryanlee Got a question for you guys.
18:30 ryanlee Does anyone know who manages the domain name:
18:31 jcamins Yeah, rangi takes care of it.
18:31 pianohacker rangi++
18:31 pianohacker (on general principle)
18:31 pianohacker why do you ask?
18:32 ryanlee Moving the website to a new server, need the domain name pointed at its IP.
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18:32 ryanlee Emailed the tech contact on the WHOIS record but got no reply.
18:32 ryanlee Lol, so thought I'd come here.
18:33 smeagol\ Hi, i'm installing a koha dev version. Can I install as root, or should i install as another user?
18:33 bshum Random aside, I'm at PGCon (PostgreSQL conference) and the guy sitting next to me migrated his local library from Follett to Koha couple years back.  Small world that even at a DB conf I can manage to sit next to other folks who works with libraries.
18:33 gmcharlt bshum: tell him we're all waving at him
18:33 ryanlee pianohacker, you got rangi's Email address?
18:34 drojf smeagol\: do you mean a git installation?
18:34 pianohacker Probably better to leave him a note, like so:
18:34 * oleonard looks around and whispers, "He's probably watching us now!"
18:34 pianohacker @later tell rangi "11:32 AM PST < ryanlee> Moving the website ( to a new server, need the domain name pointed at its IP."
18:34 huginn pianohacker: The operation succeeded.
18:34 wahanui I'm making a note here: HUGE SUCCESS
18:34 gmcharlt ryanlee: I'm also a DNS admin for that domain
18:35 gmcharlt can you advise what timeframe you're looking at for the server move?
18:36 jcamins smeagol\: you _can_ install as root, but if you're talking about a git installation, please don't.
18:36 ryanlee gmcharlt, I see, cool.  I'm going to move the site files today probably after I give the website a once over to make sure everything is in order.
18:36 ryanlee gmcharlt, If that works for you, that is, the old server is probably going to be shut down at the end of next week.
18:37 ryanlee gmcharlt, So the move can be made anytime between now and then.
18:39 smeagol\ drojf\ yes, a git installation, sorry
18:39 smeagol\ ok, who should i install as then. It doesn't really say in install.debian unless i missed it.
18:40 jcamins smeagol\: the user you're going to be developing as.
18:40 jcamins You don't want to be leaving a root terminal around.
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18:42 smeagol\ ok, what priviledges should i give me?
18:44 jcamins I always give myself (ALL) ALL, but in fact you shouldn't need any sudo privileges to develop for Koha using Apache.
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18:46 oleonard Progress on the Bootstrap theme's responsiveness:
18:46 gmcharlt ryanlee: might need to hold off for a bit -- the web management interface for the DNS service appears to be FUBAR at the moment
18:47 jcamins oleonard++ # nice!
18:48 drojf oleonard: that is really cool
18:48 maximep yeah, nice
18:50 smeagol\ ok thanks, i'll install as myself from a terminal and not a root prompt, right?
18:50 pianohacker What's the usual way to add a systempreference these days? atomicupdate or
18:50 oleonard
18:50 wahanui hmmm... is still running.
18:50 oleonard Go and catch it wahanui
18:51 gmcharlt ryanlee: OK, and now it (the DNS manager) is bending to my will
18:51 pianohacker stop,, stop!
18:52 pianohacker anyway. Okay. Saw some syspref additions through atomicupdates, is there a reason we aren't using it?
18:52 pianohacker Plus, are we still doing the trick of using XXX for the rev number and letting the RM assign it?
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18:53 cait yes still XXX
18:53 gmcharlt pianohacker: yep, still XXX
18:53 cait also add it to the right .pref file ;)
18:53 cait but you of all people will know that :)
18:53 gmcharlt and DB updates in general ... are still a point of contension
18:53 gmcharlt contention, even
18:53 pianohacker contension: disagreements on the running of conventions?
18:54 gmcharlt pianohacker++
18:54 pianohacker and yeah, I got the .pref file ;)
18:54 gmcharlt also, generally speaking patches aren't going to get bounced just because of trivial merge conflicts with -- dealing wth those is one of my jobs
18:54 cait :)
18:55 cait gmcharlt: you make me use the dictionary a lot :) guess new RM = new vocabulary :)
18:55 jcamins lol
18:55 jcamins pianohacker++
18:59 smeagol\ Can i put myself in root group to do a git install, or should I do it as sudoer, if I don't, i can't edit index.list or any root owned file?
19:00 jcamins smeagol\: you can do it however you'd like. I only ever use sudo.
19:00 cait oleonard: it's very nice!
19:00 jcamins That's not really a Koha issue so much as a question of how you administer your servers. No need to change that.
19:07 jcamins smeagol\: BTW, what is index.list?
19:12 smeagol\ jcamins\indexdata.list
19:13 jcamins smeagol\: oh, I thought you were asking about installing Koha itself. Naturally you're going to need to be root or have root privileges to install the dependencies.
19:35 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
19:35 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1188: FIXED in 1 hr 11 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1188/
19:35 jenkins_koha Liz Rea: Bug 7883 - Save and continue editing for cataloging
19:35 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7883 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, elliott, Pushed to Master , save and continue editing
19:43 jcamins yui--
19:44 jcamins oleonard: any idea what yui-t7 is?
19:44 rangi when are you doing the move ryanlee ?
19:44 drojf a fancy cocktail?
19:44 oleonard Where do you see it jcamins?
19:44 drojf like the yui-tai
19:45 * jcamins makes the sign agains the evil eye... circ/
19:45 pianohacker *shiver*
19:45 oleonard It's one of the various grid definitions, but I don't recall off the top of my head what it does
19:47 oleonard jcamins: I think it means a main body <div> with no sidebar
19:47 jcamins oleonard: that's what I was thinking it might be too.
19:51 oleonard Are you seeing a problem jcamins?
19:51 jcamins oleonard: it's really hard to figure out what our goal was.
19:51 jcamins That's all.
19:55 * tcohen thinks its nice to see jcamins volunteer for documenting now he has spare time :-P
19:56 jcamins tcohen: ha!
19:56 jcamins tcohen: I'd have to have some idea what the heck that does before I could document it, and my goal was actually just to find code to delete.
19:56 oleonard A belated happy birthday to you rangi
19:57 tcohen heh
19:57 tcohen happy birthday rangi!
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20:26 jcamins What possible reason could there be for me wanting to rate my own music in iTunes?
20:27 jcamins Apparently that's considered more probable than me wanting to listen to said music.
20:28 maximep why would u want to listen to music un itunes :P
20:28 jcamins maximep: I don't, actually.
20:28 jcamins I double clicked an MP3 and it opened.
20:28 maximep good!
20:28 jcamins Then I decided I wanted to listen to more music.
20:28 jcamins So I rated it, and there was no music.
20:29 jcamins (because I had rated it not started it)
20:30 nengard preliminary kohacon program:[…]KohaCon13_Program
20:31 nengard and now i head out for the day
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20:36 DisneyDave Hello
20:36 cait hi DisneyDave
20:37 DisneyDave We just installed a fresh version of 3.10
20:38 jcamins DisneyDave: careful. With that nick people might think that you work at Disney. :) (yes, I know you do)
20:38 DisneyDave We copied the MYSQL dump from the old installaton
20:38 DisneyDave and imported it into 3.10
20:38 DisneyDave How do we fix the schema
20:38 DisneyDave Hey jcamins!
20:38 wahanui i guess jcamins is insane.
20:39 DisneyDave Come visit WDW
20:39 jcamins DisneyDave: did you use the packages?
20:39 DisneyDave to install the new one, yes we used packages
20:39 jcamins \o/
20:39 jcamins Packages are awesome.
20:40 jcamins It's very challenging... step 1: run `sudo koha-upgrade-schema [your-installation-name]`. Step 2: go enjoy a ride at the amusement park. Step 3: regretfully go back to work on your upgraded installation.
20:40 DisneyDave go to to see error
20:41 jcamins Actually, not so challenging, you may have gathered. :)
20:41 tcohen koha-upgrade-to-3.4
20:41 jcamins DisneyDave: you were on 3.6 before, right?
20:41 DisneyDave we are not sure of version prior.  How can we tell?
20:42 DisneyDave Will we need to redo zebra after schema upgrade?
20:42 jcamins Hmmm... you could check in MySQL. But, when did you install it?
20:42 cait your about koha page would show the version
20:42 jcamins cait: not if they're in maintenance mode.
20:42 cait if you can access that?
20:42 DisneyDave Dev version:
20:43 jcamins Yeah, so follow my three-step process and you'll be good to go.
20:43 DisneyDave Zebra is done - we are running schema now
20:43 DisneyDave BTW you all rock
20:43 DisneyDave I love Koha
20:44 DisneyDave and I finally have someone to help
20:44 jcamins :D
20:44 wizzyrea :)
20:44 DisneyDave Is Nicole on?
20:44 tcohen you should also know that 3.12 is awesome DisneyDave
20:44 jcamins You can tell your bosses that Koha's former RM instructed you to take a break and enjoy the amusement park if you'd like.
20:44 jcamins She is not. She left about fifteen minutes ago.
20:45 DisneyDave We will upgrade to 3.12 soon
20:45 DisneyDave Once we get this aligned
20:45 DisneyDave Nicole left?  Must have been something I said?
20:45 jcamins Hehe. Five minutes before you arrived.
20:46 DisneyDave I'll use better deoderant tomorrow
20:47 DisneyDave .
20:50 jcamins bag: how many speakers are needed for the talk on testing?
20:55 DisneyDave Thanks again.  We are doing the schema migration. Seems to be taking a while.  Is there any time estimate?  I thought itd be fast.
20:56 drojf "An overview of how we use telephone notifications with Koha." we have telephone notifications? like… autodialing?
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20:56 jcamins DisneyDave: it'll take a while.
20:56 jcamins That's why I suggested the ride in the amusement park portion of WDW.
20:56 DisneyDave Thanks jcamins.  come visit.  Nicole did.
20:56 jcamins Last time I upgraded from 3.6.x to 3.10.x it took ~3 hrs to run.
20:56 drojf bug 9082 does not look like we have that
20:56 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9082 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , option to notify librarians that i prefer phone calls
20:56 jcamins drojf: we have Itiva.
20:57 jcamins Which is... sort of like a phone call.
20:59 jcamins DisneyDave: we'd love to!
20:59 drojf jcamins: interesting, i did not know that. i don't think i ever heard of itiva
21:00 tcohen bug 4246
21:01 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4246 enhancement, P4, ---, koha.sekjal, RESOLVED FIXED, Koha support for Itiva Talking Tech phone notification service
21:01 drojf tcohen: yeah i am reading that :)
21:06 drojf "We’ve re-written the book on how libraries and patrons communicate." i wonder in what year they came up with that :D
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21:06 drojf from the itiva website
21:07 jcamins drojf: well, they offer a pulse dialing service...
21:07 jcamins (not really)
21:10 cait drojf: it still seems to be popular in US
21:10 DisneyDave After the schema migration, do I need to reindex Zebra?
21:11 cait drojf: but I can't imagine a library trying to do that in Germany :)
21:11 jcamins DisneyDave: you should not, no.
21:11 drojf cait: probably because they don't have the datenautobahn in the us :D
21:12 tcohen do u have a big DB DisneyDave ?
21:14 DisneyDave Thanks Jcamins
21:15 DisneyDave Tcohen, not sure but the SQL dump was 2.3 GB
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22:07 tcohen hmm, is it ok that there are no bugs marked as "3.12"?
22:07 tcohen or maybe my search is wrong:
22:07 tcohen[…]20Signoff&bug_sta
22:07 tcohen tus=Signed%20Off&bug_status=Passed%20QA&bug​_status=Pushed%20for%20QA&bug_status=Failed​%20QA&bug_status=Patch%20doesn%27t%20apply&​version=3.12&f5=short_desc&f6=status_whiteb​oard&v2=authorities&f7=content&product=Koha
22:07 rangi they dont often get marked as a version, unless the bug isnt on master as well
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22:49 tcohen do u have a saved searhc I could follow rangi?
22:50 rangi for?
22:51 tcohen oh, I want to get a list of the bugs I should pay attention for the 3.12.x maintenance task
22:52 rangi oh
22:52 rangi i just watch the master commit log
22:53 tcohen ok
22:53 rangi and then have filters to highlight any mail from the bugs list that mentions 3.10.x etc
22:53 tcohen I pushed some trivial patches already, have u seen?
22:53 rangi yep well done :)
22:53 rangi i find if you keep up with master its not too bad
22:54 tcohen yes, and 3.12-specific bugs will arise once master has diverged a bit more I guess
22:54 rangi *nod*
22:55 rangi its quite rare
22:55 rangi normally what happnes the more it diverges, is patches need to be rebased
22:55 rangi but usually the bugs occur in both
22:55 rangi or only in master
22:56 rangi its only deprecated features, that are no longer in master, that might have a bug in older versions
22:56 tcohen bug 9508is marked as enh
22:56 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9508 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , the dateformat variable is not standardized in template files
22:56 rangi id make that a minor
22:56 rangi but its your call :)
22:56 tcohen minor priority
22:56 rangi not really an enhancement more a bug fix imho
22:57 tcohen but, it could be a basis for divergence imo, at least the second patch
22:57 rangi true
23:02 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: bug 8215: (followup) avoid spurious warning in Apache log <[…]6c21b1f60421a316f> / bug 8215: DBRev for course reserves <[…]e788b2d53c27e0b59> / bug 8215: (followup) remove extraneous underscore in template <
23:03 gmcharlt tcohen: now *this* patch series, you don't get to cherry-pick :)
23:04 tcohen ooook gmcharlt
23:04 wahanui it has been said that gmcharlt is an expert in all things library technology.
23:08 tcohen do we have tests for XML validity?
23:09 rangi in xt
23:10 rangi hmm perhaps not
23:10 rangi xmllint is a good test
23:10 rangi thats how i test kohadocs
23:10 jenkins_koha Starting build #1189 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED)
23:10 gmcharlt xmllint --noout foo.xml
23:11 tcohen we dont
23:11 tcohen i mean, only for debian/docs
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23:11 tcohen should we generalize that script?
23:12 tcohen instead of debian/docs smth like
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23:12 tcohen $(find . -name '*.xml')
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23:21 bag @later tell melia HI
23:21 huginn bag: The operation succeeded.
23:21 wahanui I'm making a note here: HUGE SUCCESS
23:22 pianohacker wahanui: forget succeeded
23:22 wahanui pianohacker, I didn't have anything matching succeeded
23:22 pianohacker huh
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23:23 melia @later tell oleonard hey there's a new patch for bug 2720, if you have a chance to test that one. hopefully it addresses the problems in your testing feedback. thank you!! :)
23:23 huginn melia: The operation succeeded.
23:23 wahanui I'm making a note here: HUGE SUCCESS
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23:24 dcook morning #koha
23:24 pianohacker morning
23:26 dcook Don't know if we've met before, pianohacker, but glad to hear you'll be at ByWater for the summer :)
23:32 pianohacker hi dcook!
23:33 tcohen how can I create a page on the wiki?
23:33 rangi do a search for the page you want to create
23:34 rangi or edit a page making a link to the page you want to create
23:43 dcook Hmm preliminary schedule up, eh?

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