IRC log for #koha, 2013-05-17

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00:36 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
00:36 mtompset I'm glad the build problems were resolved. :)
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00:43 * mtompset sighs, "I believe the shibboleth patch by biblibre must work using mod_shib. :( -- I can't seem to figure out how the environment variable gets set in the apache server otherwise."
00:46 mtompset Greetings, druthb.
00:46 druthb Hi, mtompset!
00:54 dcook So I have a dev system which has a database that I want to "reset"
00:55 dcook Would it be enough to re-run "kohastructure.sql", the mysql/en/mandatory *.sql files, and maybe some optional ones?
00:55 dcook Then re-run
00:58 dcook More importantly...anyone have any idea why "message_transports" has a branchcode column?
00:59 cjh just had a peek, kohastructure.sql has a 'drop table if exists' for each table
00:59 cjh so it will wipe any data already in them :)
00:59 dcook Yeah, I saw that, which got me thinking that it might work
01:00 druthb lulz..[…]rganized-by-title
01:00 dcook lol, druthb
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01:03 dcook cjh: I might not chance it this time. Once I get a set up at home, perhaps
01:03 jcamins dcook: I usually drop the database, recreate the database, and go through the installer again.
01:03 * mtompset nods at jcamins, "Me too."
01:03 cjh koha-remove and koha-create :)
01:04 dcook cjh: If only...:(
01:04 dcook jcamins: How do you mean recreate?
01:04 dcook A new schema or using Koha scripts?
01:04 jcamins create database koha;
01:04 cjh drop database foo; create database foo;
01:04 mtompset cjh: Only works for packages. :P
01:04 cjh mtompset: I live in package wonderland :D
01:04 * mtompset smiles, "They are great, aren't they?"
01:04 jcamins cjh: my development system predates koha-gitify.
01:05 cjh jcamins: I feel your pain.
01:05 cjh jcamins: simple enough to change now though ;)
01:05 cjh I used to do the gitify process by hand for every dev instance >.>
01:05 dcook jcamins: Right, so drop, create, but...then how do you populate the database?
01:05 cjh dcook: import kohastructure.sql
01:06 jcamins Nah, that's the hard way.
01:06 jcamins Navigate to the staff client.
01:06 jcamins Follow the prompts.
01:06 dcook O_O
01:06 dcook So I can just drop it, re-create it, and then go to the staff client and use the web installer?
01:06 jcamins Yup.
01:06 dcook ^_^
01:06 dcook I sort of want to hug you right now, jcamins
01:06 dcook Hmm, you can tell it's Friday...
01:07 * dcook checks that it is Friday
01:07 dcook Yes, Friday
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01:12 jcamins dcook: you only hug people on Fridays? :P
01:16 dcook jcamins: I think I'm more exuberant on Fridays ;)
01:16 jcamins Ah.
01:16 jcamins This is kind of sad. I just bought cranberries a few weeks ago and I'm already nearly out.
01:17 dcook Thanks for the advice :). This looks much nicer now. I just need to import some records and I'm good to go.
01:17 dcook A few weeks?
01:17 dcook I'm not sure anything stays in our house longer than A week
01:17 jcamins Yeah, but how many kilos of dried berries do you buy at a time?
01:18 dcook Touché
01:19 dcook At most, I think it's a kilo of frozen raspberries
01:19 dcook Maybe two
01:22 dcook Hmm, I think someone already has reported a bug about items not being exported/imported...
01:22 dcook According to Koha, 99 items have been added, but in fact it was 0...
01:31 dcook bug 9839
01:31 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9839 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Stable , when importing MARC records, item record not created even when set to "always add"
01:31 dcook :S
01:32 wizzyrea !
01:32 wizzyrea are you on master/
01:32 wizzyrea ?
01:32 dcook Mhm
01:32 jcamins Uh-oh.
01:33 jcamins Actually, I think that's a different bug.
01:33 jcamins \o/
01:33 dcook Possibly?
01:33 dcook Because it is saying that the items have been added
01:33 dcook They just...haven't been
01:34 jcamins Bug 9839 fixed item import only when "handle matching bibs" is set to "ignore."
01:35 jcamins (because that's when it was broken... I thought)
01:37 dcook
01:40 jcamins The problem with galley-style kitchens?
01:40 wahanui well, the problem with galley-style kitchens is that you get dizzy removing cookies from the baking sheet to put on the cooling rack.
01:40 jcamins Very true.
01:40 wahanui I know. That's why I said it.
01:40 jcamins dcook: and you have libraries defined that match the ones in your sample data?
01:42 dcook It would appear not
01:43 wizzyrea ^ would explain the items thing
01:43 dcook I'm going to try it out with a new lib
01:43 dcook It should probably send up a fail message rather than 99 items added though in that case :/
01:44 dcook new old lib that is
01:44 dcook Huzzah! We have items!
01:44 dcook Good one, jcamins
01:45 jcamins \o/
01:46 dcook Re-indexing Zebra and...all done!
01:47 dcook Hmm, importing items seems like a bad idea...
01:48 dcook Silly items. You're not onloan anymore.
01:48 jcamins Oh, yeah, that can get problematic.
01:48 jcamins If you check them out than check them back in it fixes it.
01:49 dcook I just set the onloan column to null
01:49 jcamins Or that.
01:49 jcamins And reindex.
01:49 dcook Yep :)
01:49 dcook I doubt that any associated records were created to match a problematic onloan status
01:50 dcook I think issues would be the only other place and that's clear..
01:50 jcamins No, definitely not.
01:50 jcamins That's why it's problematic: the items are out of sync with the rest of the catalog.
01:51 dcook Definitely problematic
01:52 dcook I suppose some of this data shouldn't actually be in the items table
01:52 jcamins Well, it makes sense- you don't want to do a lookup in issues every time you look at an item.
01:52 dcook True true
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01:53 dcook I definitely get the logic of having a lot of this information in the items table
01:53 dcook Maybe "cleaning" the items on import would be an idea
01:53 dcook Or on export
01:56 dcook I guess that gets awfully complicated though
01:56 dcook Because you never know what information you want to keep and what info you want to toss
01:56 jcamins What would be really useful would be "views" of MARC records.
01:56 dcook Views?
01:57 jcamins Yeah.
01:57 jcamins So for example, you define a "public" view which includes such-and-such information, a "public save" view, a "staff export" view, etc., etc.
01:57 * druthb watches the translation updates chugga chugga
01:59 dcook Mmm, I could dig that for sure
01:59 druthb puh.
01:59 cjh jcamins: isnt that what we currently do with xslt? although in xslt we also transform the data and lay it out.
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02:05 jcamins cjh: only in one limited context.
02:05 jcamins Well, four, if you count the two details and two results view.
02:05 dcook It's not very librarian/user friendly either
02:05 jcamins What we really need is the ability to say "if the record is being accessed via the OPAC, these fields are (not) visible," etc.
02:05 dcook (Although I just saw the XSLT defaults for master and they look pretty swag)
02:05 cjh it isnt very developer friendly either :p
02:05 jcamins Except preferably not in a MARC-y way.
02:06 dcook Mhm!
02:06 jcamins Because...
02:06 jcamins more marc?
02:06 jcamins let's have more marc/
02:06 jcamins let's have more marc?
02:06 jcamins let's add more marc?
02:06 jcamins how about more marc?
02:06 jcamins more marc!
02:06 dcook hehe
02:06 jcamins use more marc
02:06 dcook The only thing about not using marc is that you have to rely on the database
02:06 dcook And there are going to be times when people want data from their bibliographic record which isn't stored in the database
02:06 wizzyrea we should use more marc
02:06 wahanui http://02varvara.files.wordpre[…]no-bear.jpg?w=800
02:07 * dcook has had this issue routinely
02:07 jcamins I was thinking something a bit more format-agnostic.
02:07 eythian marky mark?
02:07 jcamins There it is!
02:07 jcamins I am decidedly anti-DB field-based stuff.
02:07 dcook I'm a fan of format-agnostic, but achieving it is another thing. I suppose you could do it through mappings..
02:07 dcook \o/
02:07 wizzyrea marky mark is
02:08 * dcook truly dislikes editing the detail and result templates (and perl scripts) just to show one extra field
02:08 dcook Or one subfield
02:08 wizzyrea you don't use xslt?
02:08 dcook Nope :/
02:08 wizzyrea perhaps you should investigate it
02:08 dcook I plan to
02:08 wizzyrea makes all that much easire
02:08 wizzyrea easier*
02:08 dcook I know ;)
02:08 jcamins Not to mention nicer-looking.
02:08 dcook I just need to make the case to the boss
02:08 dcook But I'm not much of an expert on XSL...yet
02:09 dcook Once I get my box running Koha (hopefully this weekend), I'll use the XSLTs, and then make the case here
02:09 jcamins "Make the OPAC look like it's from the 2010s not the 2000s!"
02:09 jcamins :D
02:09 dcook But I need to show that I can do that :p
02:09 dcook Or that I can maintain and develop it
02:09 dcook And possibly coach others in how to do that
02:10 dcook I've played a bit with the XSLTs here and modified one in the past to go from inmagic tagged format to marcxml (\o/ saved the library 1800+ dollars by doing it myself)
02:10 dcook Mind you, the 2000 dollar quote was ridiculous for a tiny data migration..
02:10 dcook I think 2013 is the year of XSL/XML pour moi :p
02:11 dcook And XPATH I guess
02:11 dcook XPATH seems like second nature now
02:11 * jcamins is finding 2013 more the year of JSON.
02:11 dcook Mmm, I did do some JSON parsing earlier in the year
02:11 dcook Got a bunch of JSON files and was told, "Now extract some urls from that"
02:11 dcook Which really wasn't too hard but it was a first
02:12 * dcook really wants to play with the report web service in Koha :D
02:12 dcook All the JSON!
02:12 jcamins Also, things like this...
02:13 pastebot "jcamins" at pasted "Issues json" (1 line) at
02:14 jcamins Exactly.
02:14 cjh <3 json
02:14 dcook Then : delineates key-value pairs..
02:15 cjh yeap
02:17 mtompset Hmmm... I thought I patched this silent warning before.
02:17 dcook And the difference is that an object is unordered while an array is ordered?
02:17 dcook Amongst other things I'm sure..
02:19 cjh yeah, unordered and key/value rather than offset/value :)
02:21 dcook Mmm, right
02:21 dcook Love it
02:22 jcamins Though the canonical of an object has ordered keys.
02:22 jcamins *canonical representation
02:27 dcook What's the significance of having the ordered keys?
02:28 jcamins dcook: none, except that you can get complaints about the JSON not being canonical when you use some parsers online.
02:28 cjh canonical representation is often used for hashing, the same json value should always give the same hash, so they format it to allow this (remove whitespace, sort keys, etc.)
02:28 * dcook frowns
02:28 jcamins And I was pointing that out to clarify that if keys are ordered, that doesn't make it an array.
02:29 jcamins Probably obvious, but...
02:30 dcook Very much appreciated, jcamins :)
02:30 dcook cjh: I'm not sure that I follow.
02:30 cjh dcook: you dont have to worry about it :)
02:30 dcook Ohhh, that kind of hashing
02:30 dcook I think I gotcha now
02:30 cjh it doesnt matter, but that is why the keys are sorted in canonical form.
02:31 dcook I might not worry, but I like to know things ;)
02:31 dcook Cool beans
02:36 eythian jcamins: I have some records with a 222$a and a 245$b (no 245$a.) Is this something you'd find meaningful?
02:37 eythian they are serials
02:37 eythian should I just merge the 222 and 245 into a 245?
02:38 eythian the problem is that Koha doesn't seem to handle 222.
02:38 jcamins It looks to me like you need to copy the 222$a into 245$a, and then keep the 222 as-is.
02:38 eythian that's also a valid option.
02:38 eythian probably more sensible.
02:38 jcamins Unless they already have a 245$a, in which case you can leave it.
02:38 eythian yep
02:38 druthb slightly less chance of pissing off the catalogers.  Don't mess with their wierd data.
02:39 eythian these records are actually pretty complete, it has 210$a, 222$a, 245$b, and 246$a
02:39 eythian just no 245$a which was throwing my conversion off :)
02:39 jcamins Understandably.
02:40 eythian (of course, some other records are really ... different quality. Like no ISBD punctuation.)
02:40 jcamins GERMS!
02:40 wizzyrea "special"
02:40 eythian and one that has no 222 nor a 254$a
02:41 eythian in fact, the only title information is a single subtitle
02:41 jcamins lol
02:41 jcamins Nice!
02:41 druthb The wierder the data, the *more* likely it is you will torque off a cataloger by tinkering with it.  They're *proud* of their mental wierdness.
02:41 eythian heh
02:42 druthb ...and if you ever get to do a Millenium serials conversion....  well, start by finding and purchasing the *largest* bottle you can find of your favorite liquor...
02:42 eythian I don't think that's much of a thing in these parts.
02:43 dcook Millennium or liquor?
02:43 eythian (Millenium, that is)
02:43 dcook ;)
02:43 eythian heh
02:43 * eythian has two bottles of whisky at work with me today to put a lie to the other option :)
02:43 jcamins Wise.
02:46 dcook hehe
02:46 dcook All I have is a coke zero and some cough drops :/
02:47 dcook Really need to get a beer fridge at work...
02:47 dcook There is a wine shop nearly within spitting distance..
02:48 mtompset All this beer talk makes me think of a comic.
02:49 mtompset
02:49 mtompset I'm sure you all knew that was coming. :)
03:03 dcook Good ol' xkcd
03:04 * dcook recently got some Bison Grass Polish vodka...
03:04 dcook Haven't tried it yet though. I hear it's amazing.
03:04 wizzyrea I read "bison grass polish" and thought... that exists?
03:04 wizzyrea oh PO lish
03:05 wizzyrea not paw lish
03:05 dcook Have to love English sometimes
03:05 wizzyrea do not, I probably wouldn't actually say the aforementioned w
03:05 dcook Polish bison grass vodka would've probably made more sense too
03:05 wizzyrea in polish
03:05 wizzyrea no, those words do not make sense together for me.
03:06 eythian it's made from real Polish bison grass.
03:07 wizzyrea still nothin.
03:07 dcook
03:07 dcook One of the most original Polish vodka brands, eh?
03:08 dcook I wonder what the least original Polish vodka brand is..
03:08 * wizzyrea has no idea
03:08 * wizzyrea thought vodka was made out of potatoes
03:08 * dcook too
03:08 dcook Wikipedia says differently it seems
03:09 wizzyrea their website is pants.
03:09 dcook hehe
03:09 wizzyrea it's interrupting my previously selected musical work accompaniment. This aggression will not stand, man.
03:09 dcook Everytime I hear the word "pants", in any context, I think of that video you sent me
03:09 wizzyrea lol :)
03:10 jcamins Vodka is made from several starches.
03:11 jcamins And, by the way, Polish bison grass is the best.
03:11 jcamins There bisons coming all the way from across the Atlantic just for some grass.
03:13 jcamins *there are
03:13 jcamins I shouldn't IRC and put away cookies at the same time.
03:13 jcamins It totally ruins the joke when the sentence is incoherent.
03:14 dcook I think bison is also plural and singular
03:14 dcook The nerd in me couldn't help but concentrate on the extra s
03:14 dcook Speaking of which..
03:14 mtompset Have a great day, everyone.
03:14 dcook[…]o_Buffalo_buffalo
03:14 dcook Also what kind of cookies, jcamins?
03:14 * dcook actually works
03:14 dcook It's a good sign that the computer hasn't exploded..
03:15 dcook Ah, that's because I'm an idiot
03:15 wizzyrea "Buffalo bison that other Buffalo bison bully, themselves bully Buffalo bison.
03:15 jcamins dcook: http://recipes.howstuffworks.c[…]unkies-recipe.htm
03:15 jcamins Came out really good.
03:15 druthb Peter Piper picked a peck...
03:15 * druthb blinks
03:16 jcamins Well, the cookies bore more than a passing resemblence to those, anyway.
03:16 * dcook remedies the problem and prepares for explosion
03:17 dcook Mmm, those look delicious, jcamins
03:20 jcamins They are!
03:22 dcook Where do all the cookies go?
03:22 eythian ...
03:23 eythian where do you think cookies go?
03:24 dcook Well, they're not going into my mouth.
03:24 dcook I'm just curious if jcamins and his wife eat them all
03:24 dcook I don't think I know anyone else who makes as many cookie
03:24 dcook cookies*
03:25 * dcook successfully stored and retrieved his pdf without blowing anything up :)
03:25 wizzyrea[…]e%20monster%20gif
03:27 dcook Mmm cookies
03:28 jcamins dcook: I bake cookies for a lot of my friends.
03:29 dcook Lucky friends :)
03:36 jcamins It works well. They get cookies, I get A) an excuse to bake, and B) reimbursed for ingredients.
03:38 * dcook thumbs up
03:38 * jcamins heads to bed, having gotten to within striking distance of Inbox Zero... for the second time today.
03:39 dcook night jcamins. Thanks again for that database tip
03:40 ibeardslee Ctrl+A, Shift+Del
03:40 ibeardslee = Inbox Zero
03:41 wizzyrea ^
03:42 trea sorted
03:50 * eythian wonders if 246 but no 245 is a sensible thing to see.
03:50 dcook Off the top of my head, I don't think so
03:50 dcook Unless...
03:50 wahanui unless is probably meant to give code that reads more like natural language? but i'm not a fan either
03:50 dcook Is there a 240?
03:50 eythian narp
03:51 dcook So there's no title field anywhere?
03:51 dcook Other than the 246 variant?
03:52 eythian just the 246.
03:52 dcook Bizarre
03:52 wizzyrea that really sounds like a crazy cataloger.
03:52 eythian ahh
03:52 dcook Or a bad migration in the past
03:52 eythian no, it's my fault.
03:52 dcook Well, we didn't want to say anything...:p
03:53 eythian it actually has _two_ 245s and a 246, but my process was removing the 245s.
03:53 dcook Mmm
03:53 eythian which is also not allowed in MARC.
03:53 wahanui okay, eythian.
03:53 dcook Indeed
03:54 eythian I think if I see multiple 245 records, I'll turn all but the first into 246.
03:54 dcook Might be an idea. What sorts of multiples are they?
03:55 eythian 245  0 _aArchives New Zealand [videorecording]
03:55 eythian 245  0 _aTe Rua Mahara o te Kawanatanga, nau mai, haere mai [videorecording]
03:55 eythian 246    _aWelcome to Archives New Zealand
03:55 eythian like that
03:55 dcook Ahhh
03:55 dcook Huh..
03:55 eythian really, the second 245 should become a translated title, but there's no way to know that programatically
03:56 eythian that is, into 245$b following an ' = '
03:56 dcook Yeah..
03:56 dcook Good ol' parallel titles
03:57 dcook I suppose you might be able to cheat a bit about put the = after the 245$a (at the start of thte 245$b), but that assumes you don't already have a 245$b..
03:57 dcook Yeah, I guess the best thing to do would probably just to make it a 246 :/
03:57 eythian yeah. I think varying form of title will be close enough
03:58 dcook Ultimately, it depends on your user
03:58 dcook user(s)
03:58 dcook Do they care about other languages, do the 246s appear in the detail page and/or search results?
03:58 dcook Are they indexed?
03:58 eythian they are/do
03:58 eythian they show as "other titles"
03:58 dcook Cool beans
03:59 dcook My favourite cataloguing adage
03:59 dcook Paraphrased
03:59 dcook If you're going to make an error, make it consistently
04:00 eythian heh
04:00 dcook Too bad the 242 is so specific
04:00 eythian well, it's not unreasonable. At least then it can be fixed.
04:01 eythian the problem here is that I don't know that it'll always be a translated title, or just another way of writing it.
04:01 dcook Mmm, that's true
04:01 eythian and I'm not going to fix them all by hand :)
04:01 dcook How many records?
04:01 dcook If you can keep a count of the dupes, you might be able to pass that off to a cataloguer..
04:02 eythian hard to say.
04:02 eythian well, easy to say, I just don't have numbers.
04:02 dcook haha, fair enough
04:02 eythian it needs to be scriptable anyway.
04:02 * dcook dislikes working with windows shares...
04:03 dcook Right, I just mean in terms of "fixing" things up in the end
04:03 dcook Mind you, how many librarians really want to do work like that?
04:03 dcook I mean...
04:03 dcook How many libraries have the staff time to really do work like that?
04:03 eythian yeah
04:03 dcook Although that does remind me of my cataloguing class..
04:03 eythian often they'll use it as a chance to clean up records though.
04:03 dcook We had to plan a reclassification project in terms of staff time for 6-8 people
04:04 dcook I figured that the systems librarian could do it in about 15-30 minutes and then 1-2 people could fix some stickers
04:04 dcook It is a good chance to clean up records
04:04 * dcook is a fan of good metadata
04:04 dcook But not of windows
04:04 dcook If that wasn't clear :p
04:04 dcook Well, Windows
04:04 dcook windows are great.
04:05 eythian they let you see outside, and everything!
04:06 dcook Yeah!
04:06 dcook Blue skies!
04:06 dcook And a bit of wind judging from the tree on the roof next to me
04:17 * eythian notes that it's beer o'clock.
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04:17 * druthb pouncehugs cait
04:19 cait hi :)
04:20 cait hi #koha
04:26 dcook hey ya cait :)
04:28 cait hi dcook :)
04:46 dcook That moment when you think you've deleted everything...
04:46 dcook How many hours 'til beer o'clock in Sydney..
04:47 cait dcook: i think i reported a bug somehwere for no errror message when your branchcode prevents items from being added
04:48 dcook Awesome. I was going to before but got side-tracked
04:48 cjh dcook: beer o clock is about 4pm
05:21 dcook 3:20. Only 1.3 hours until beer!
05:50 dcook Hmm, I think I more or less get these XSLTs...
05:53 dcook Hmm, does the XSLT just handle bibliographic - not item data?
05:53 dcook I suppose so since the item data comes from the DB
05:54 dcook Although..
06:12 dcook Ok, maybe the handling of items in the search result XSLT throws me for a bit of a loop...
06:12 dcook I figure it has to do with the marc items namespace?
06:13 dcook items:status and item-by-status is news to me..
06:13 cait only bibliographic
06:13 cait hm you are right, the items in the result list are from the marc
06:13 cait the items on the detail pages are not
06:13 cait which is why sometiems you get confusing displays when your zebra indexes are not in sync
06:15 dcook Makes sense
06:15 dcook Yeah, looks like the results uses the full marc record passed back from Zebra
06:15 dcook Which includes the 952s..
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06:40 reiveune hello
06:40 wahanui kai ora, reiveune
06:40 reiveune hello
06:42 dcook hey reiveune
06:42 wahanui well, reiveune is working for biblibre
06:43 reiveune :)
06:45 dcook Aha!
06:45 dcook sub buildKohaItemsNamespace
06:45 dcook That would do it
06:50 alex_a bonjour
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06:52 dcook salut alex_a
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06:58 gaetan_B hello
06:58 wahanui kai ora, gaetan_B
07:03 * dcook is really glad that he figured out the item-level XSLT
07:03 dcook Let the weekend begin!
07:03 dcook Errr...good morning for non-Oz/Nz folk :)
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07:33 huginn GERMS!!!!
07:33 wahanui Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.
07:33 kf morning
07:33 kf can someone test something for me?
07:41 mtj- hi kf
07:41 mtj- what do you need testing?
07:43 kf create a patron
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07:43 kf and then try to change the cardnumber you entered
07:44 kf and thx mtj :)
07:46 mtj ok, what version?
07:46 wahanui i think version is always noted in a comment on top
07:47 kf close to master or master
07:47 kf sorry for the delay :)
07:47 kf toomany windows
07:48 mtj np
07:51 kf does it work? for you?
07:52 kf we have one installation where it does not work and another where it does... and both supposedly on the same version
07:54 mtj i just ecently upgraded to wheezy, so fixing a few missing packages...
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07:54 mtj i should make a bug for them
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07:54 christophe_c hello #koha
07:56 mtj hiya christophe_c
07:58 mtj kf, works OK for me, on
07:58 kf thx mtj
07:58 kf will have to investigate what's going wrong here
08:00 mtj ok, good luck :)
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08:01 mtj kf, the error log should have some info, when it fails
08:02 kf we solved it :)
08:02 kf mtj: can't access error logs on this server
08:02 kf the cardnumer was too long by one
08:03 mtj aaah, good spotting
08:03 kf carnumber is varchar16
08:03 kf and koha doesn't give a useful error
08:05 kf bug 10267
08:05 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10267 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , No error message when entering an invalid cardnumber
08:06 christophe_c hi mtj ;-)
08:14 wizzyrea kf++ thanks for bug 10266
08:14 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10266 normal, P5 - low, ---, rkk0, Passed QA , Restricted status doesn't show in OPAC
08:27 kf would be nice if jared pushes it
08:27 kf before the release :)
08:33 wizzyrea yea, it would be quite a lot of work to use the plugin
08:33 wizzyrea probably worth it in the end
08:34 kf wizzyrea: yeah i think it woudl be good to make more use of the plugins
08:34 kf but i suspected using the plugins wouldn't result in a string safe patch maybe
08:34 kf so perhaps better to get something in now (hopefully)
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09:27 samuel hi everybody :-)
09:28 samuel i've a question about git . When i 've the following message "It looks like git-am is in progress. Cannot rebase.", can i just do a 'rm -rf .git/rebase-apply` to solve it?
09:38 wizzyrea it would probably be better to
09:38 wizzyrea git am --abort
09:38 wizzyrea then
09:38 wizzyrea git reset --hard HEAD^
09:38 wizzyrea assuming you don't have anything else besides the am
09:38 wizzyrea if you do, don't reset
09:38 wizzyrea just checkout whichever file had the conflicts
09:38 wizzyrea I probably wouldn't rm -rf .git/rebase-apply
09:38 wizzyrea easy way to get your repo into a hot mess.
09:40 samuel ok
10:16 kf wizzyrea++
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12:05 jcamins I pushed bug 9824. I trust that someone will fix it properly after the release.
12:05 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9824 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha, Pushed to Master , Hide basket with no expected items in basqket list by bookseller
12:09 jenkins_koha Starting build #35 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
12:13 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9824' into 3.14-master <[…]4d31f842cbb68dc99> / Bug 9824 - Hide basket with no expected items in basqket list by bookseller <[…]f614ed286b07327f9> / Merge branch 'bug_10266' into 3.14-master <;
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12:15 tcohen Mornin
12:15 kf morning tcohen .)
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12:17 oleonard Hi
12:19 tcohen What time are you merging translations tomorrow jcamins
12:19 kf tcohen: don't say you aren't done yet? ;)
12:19 kf only joking *hands tcohen cookies*
12:20 jcamins tcohen: it depends when I get them from druthb.
12:20 tcohen bgkriegel is on a trip these days, I have to finish it today on my own
12:21 tcohen It's no p, but wanted to plan my day
12:22 tcohen So is druthb the one I have to hand some cookies to
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12:28 kf tcohen: it always takes longer than you think... probably best to finish as early as possible
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12:50 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #35: SUCCESS in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.12.x/35/
12:50 jenkins_koha * Rafal Kopaczka: Bug 10266 - Statuses not appearing in the OPAC
12:50 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Add Rafal Kopaczka to the history
12:50 jenkins_koha * Lyon3 Team: Bug 9824 - Hide basket with no expected items in basqket list by bookseller
12:50 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10266 normal, P5 - low, ---, rkk0, Pushed to Master , Restricted status doesn't show in OPAC
12:50 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9824 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha, Pushed to Master , Hide basket with no expected items in basqket list by bookseller
12:50 jenkins_koha Starting build #1177 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED)
12:51 kf new developer!! :)
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12:51 kf hi andrzej
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13:33 oleonard What a flurry of bug activity. Where were you guys on GBSD? :P
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14:02 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1177: SUCCESS in 1 hr 12 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1177/
14:02 jenkins_koha * Rafal Kopaczka: Bug 10266 - Statuses not appearing in the OPAC
14:02 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Add Rafal Kopaczka to the history
14:02 jenkins_koha * Lyon3 Team: Bug 9824 - Hide basket with no expected items in basqket list by bookseller
14:02 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10266 normal, P5 - low, ---, rkk0, Pushed to Master , Restricted status doesn't show in OPAC
14:02 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9824 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha, Pushed to Master , Hide basket with no expected items in basqket list by bookseller
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14:18 tcohen lavamind: would you try changing /bin/sh for /bin/bash?
14:19 lavamind tcohen: did you get my email ?
14:19 tcohen who are you?
14:20 tcohen Jerome :-D
14:20 lavamind yes
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14:40 JoeLib001 Hello, I am trying to automatically fill in subfields in a 945 field with data from other fields. I was thinking that the plugins in the MARC Structure would do that, but it doesn't seem to be working.
14:41 JoeLib001 Well, it at least doesn't seem to be doing what I want it do. XD
14:41 oleonard What do you want it to do?
14:42 JoeLib001 I want it to auto fill say the 945 field subfield g with the call number in the 050 field.
14:43 JoeLib001 Is that not what the plugin is supposed to do when I set it in the MARC Structure?
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14:51 oleonard JoeLib001: I could be wrong, but I think the plugin is supposed to increment your call number based on other call numbers stored in items
14:51 JoeLib001 Ah, ok. That is somewhat misleading. ;-)
14:52 jcamins JoeLib001: not really... it's a plugin that automatically assigns call numbers.
14:52 jcamins What you want is to set the call number source, or something like that.
14:52 jcamins It's in the Cataloging section of the system preferences.
14:53 jcamins (I don't remember the name, but you'll recognize it when you see it)
14:53 JoeLib001 I want to replicate the 050 Call Number in the 945 line.
14:53 jcamins Oh, sorry, 945 not 952.
14:53 jcamins No, nothing in Koha that will do that, to my knowledge.
14:53 JoeLib001 Gotcha.
14:54 JoeLib001 That could be done with a plugin though?
14:55 jcamins Ummm...
14:55 jcamins I don't see how.
14:57 tcohen ok, 889 words to go es-ES!!
14:57 jcamins You can do it! Yay tcohen!
14:57 JoeLib001 Hehe. ;-)
14:57 * oleonard cheers tcohen!
14:57 JoeLib001 Sounds like an extra fun chore. XD
14:59 jcamins I'm glad I don't have to translate.
14:59 tcohen hmm, shouldn't we make koha es-ES native?
14:59 tcohen :-P
15:00 jcamins tcohen: One project already did that... and closed source.
15:01 jcamins At least, my impression was that the new templates were in Spanish.
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15:07 oleonard Anyone have any guesses as to why I can't get series info to show up in the OPAC at all? Trying to diagnose Bug 10265.
15:07 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10265 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , 830 needs spaces in opac display
15:07 gmcharlt @quote random
15:07 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #206: "There's a bug for that" (added by chrisc at 11:55 PM, May 24, 2012)
15:07 oleonard Sorry to wake you huginn :P
15:07 jcamins oleonard: because we only show 440s? <-- just a guess
15:08 oleonard jcamins: Then why does nengard see a problem with the display of 830?
15:09 jcamins oleonard: ... I didn't say it was a good guess. :P
15:09 jcamins I'm sorry, we only display 490, not 440. I was close.
15:09 jcamins It's the 490 that needs a space.
15:09 jcamins The 830 is used to create the link.
15:10 tcohen jcamins, do u have a coloquial explanation of 'relief type' for 006?
15:13 jcamins tcohen: ummm... I want to say that's how altitude/z-access geography is represented on a 2d map, but I'm not 100% sure that that's the only thing it refers to.
15:14 jcamins I rarely catalog maps.
15:14 tcohen oh. relief as a geographical term
15:14 tcohen i mean, in maps
15:14 tcohen understood!
15:14 tcohen 'relieve'
15:14 jcamins Right.
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15:54 oleonard Does adding a system preference as a template param in involve some overhead that one should be concerned about? I'm wondering about the decision whether or not to add something there
15:55 oleonard For instance, should there be a rule: "If a preference is used by more than X pages add it in, otherwise handle it in the .pl file"
15:57 pianohacker It would be _some_ overhead, though to my knowledge it's never come up in profiling
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16:23 jcamins oleonard: not enough overhead to care, IMO.
16:23 oleonard Thanks for your input pianohacker and jcamins
16:26 pianohacker I was wondering; would there be any real problem with just fetching all of the system preferences at once and throwing them into the template variables?
16:27 pianohacker Would save us a query, and if a script is using a variable with the same name, it'll just override it
16:29 gaetan_B1 bye !
16:29 jcamins pianohacker: fetching *all* the sysprefs is a bit pricey.
16:31 jcamins Unfortunately, my benchmarks are not anywhere I can see.
16:32 pianohacker jcamins: Assuming your MySQL server isn't in Tibet, why would one large query be more expensive than 100 small ones?
16:32 jcamins Because the majority of system preferences are never used.
16:33 pianohacker true; they're fetched in regardless, though
16:33 jcamins Only some of them.
16:34 pianohacker true. I would be curious to see benchmarks on that, actually, as it sounds like you've already investigated this
16:36 jcamins Yeah, during my phase when I was trying to fix caching for Plack, rather than simply disabling it.
16:37 jcamins There might be something in bug 8089, but I suspect not.
16:37 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8089 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , Use Koha::Cache everywhere
16:37 oleonard So rangi is officially no longer release maintainer for 3.10.x? That is, the next 3.10.x release is his last?
16:38 jcamins oleonard: right.
16:39 jcamins On Wednesday at the latest we are both free.
16:39 jcamins Free!
16:43 * jcamins contemplates that happy thought, and goes to eat lunch.
16:45 oleonard We need to find someone who's enough of a hermit and/or masochist to want to be RM for more than one term.
16:52 oleonard Is Bug 9558 not solved by use of the OPACMobileUserCSS system preference/
16:52 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9558 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Customize CSS for mobile
16:52 oleonard ?
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18:49 * tcohen is proud to say es-ES is 100%
18:49 jcamins woohoo! You made it!
18:50 cait congrats :)
18:50 cait tcohen++
18:51 oleonard Great work tcohen! Now, what other languages do you speak? :)
18:51 jcamins Five complete translations, and another nine at 90% or more.
18:51 tcohen heh, i'll start translating en-bad_spoken
18:52 jcamins 3.10 had a total of ten at 90%+.
18:52 oleonard Wow I didn't expect to see Slovak in the top 5.
18:52 jcamins oleonard: nor did I, but apparently we've had a good Slovak translation for a while.
18:53 jcamins Turkish is so close!
18:53 * oleonard encourages the Slovaks to stop by #koha sometime even though none of them understood my bad Czech when I visited
18:54 cait hehe
18:54 cait jcamins: how do you check it by version?
18:54 oleonard
18:55 cait oh found it
18:55 cait lol
18:55 cait sorry :)
18:55 cait long week?
18:55 cait excuse?
18:55 wahanui cait: The server at (port 666) appears to be down.
18:55 jcamins Wasn't BibLibre working with a library to complete the Greek translation?
18:55 cait i think they trained them
18:55 cait opac probably is
18:56 cait hm missing 12
18:56 cait does someone speak greek?
18:56 jcamins Not me.
18:56 * oleonard suspects some Greeks might
18:56 cait well ccsr misses 12... normal opac a lot more
18:56 cait i hope chinese makes it :)
18:56 pianohacker Is ccsr intended to be the primary theme going forward?
18:56 cait and arabic - but they got quite a lot to do
18:56 cait so probably not before 3.12.1
18:57 * cait looks at oleonard :)
18:57 jcamins cait: Chinese (Taiwan) is nearly done, and that's the one that seems to be more-used.
18:57 cait jcamins: yep
18:57 oleonard pianohacker: I'm working on a replacement/overhaul of CCSR which I hope will be the primary theme eventually
18:57 cait would have been nice ot have arabic to show off the new screens :)
18:57 cait ah opac is almost done
18:59 pianohacker oleonard: nice
19:01 cait template variable?
19:01 cait hmmm
19:02 cait template variable is $template->{VARS}->{'something'}
19:03 pianohacker That reminds me of another question I had. I've noticed that a lot of scripts seem to be setting things that way, rather than using $template->param(). Is there a reason for that?
19:03 jcamins Yes, $template->param() is a shim, and wrong.
19:03 cait see here :)[…]ug.cgi?id=8033#c3
19:04 huginn Bug 8033: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, elliott, Failed QA , add print receipt option to Koha self-check
19:04 jcamins Fortunately, it works.
19:04 cait i actually found what I was looking for by searching bugzilla for shim :P
19:04 pianohacker oh right! Forgot about that
19:04 cait weird bug memory strikes again!
19:04 pianohacker Forgot we hadn't always been in the wonderful land of TT2
19:05 cait it's actually hard to believe, isn't it?
19:07 oleonard I remember it every time I try to git blame something that happened before TT2
19:07 pianohacker Yeah. <!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="abcd" --> vs [% abcd %]
19:07 pianohacker that syntax was painful. like, coldfusion levels of painful
19:07 cait having only 0 and 1 was painful
19:11 cait hm i think i got it working
19:13 * cait checks if it breaks translations
19:14 cait someone aorund for a sign off maybe? :)
19:14 oleonard Depends how hard it is cait ;)
19:14 cait not hard :)
19:14 cait probably not as pretty as if you would have done it
19:15 cait i am sending a follow up for bug 9824
19:15 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9824 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha, Needs Signoff , Hide basket with no expected items in basket list by bookseller
19:15 oleonard It's the bug of the day!
19:15 cait true :)
19:16 cait trying to figure out a solution that makes everyone happy i gues
19:16 cait by tricking the translation system :P
19:16 cait well, we are cheating a little here... but it seems to work
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19:19 cait oleonard: if you could take a look now...?
19:19 cait i have attached my follow up
19:19 oleonard Okay
19:21 oleonard What's the "trick" ?
19:21 cait using strins that already exist in the po file
19:22 cait i wouldn' have expected that to work
19:27 oleonard Looks good to me cait
19:29 cait yay :)
19:36 cait jcamins: what do you think abou tbug 9824?
19:39 cait thx oleonard :)
19:39 cait oleonard++
19:39 jcamins Looks good to me.
19:47 cait marcelr++
19:52 tcohen bye #koha
19:55 lavamind see ya!
19:56 cait hm i should give the german translation files a last check up
19:56 druthb yes, you should, cait.
20:01 cait hm looks good
20:01 cait hope i didn't miss something
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20:05 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
20:07 oleonard How long do translators have?
20:08 cait not much longer
20:09 cait <http://lists.koha-community.or[…]3-May/002184.html
20:09 druthb I'll be doing a pull request in about 16 hours.  Tomorrow morning, US Central time.
20:10 oleonard Have a good weekend #koha
20:13 mtompset You too, oleonard.
21:42 gmcharlt @quote random
21:42 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #101: "<darling> I still need to catch up with current Koha. Is pretty dreamy already." (added by gmcharlt at 02:44 AM, October 29, 2010)
21:43 cait :)
21:43 cait @quote random
21:43 huginn cait: Quote #119: "<wasabi> wow, and a pig!!! ->[…]8_nepali_food.jpg" (added by wasabi at 10:22 AM, January 27, 2011)
21:43 cait gmcharlt: feeling ready? :)
21:43 gmcharlt cait: meep
21:43 gmcharlt but yes, I am :)
21:43 pianohacker hallo again gmcharlt
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21:43 gmcharlt hi pianohacker
21:44 cait the qa queue is full... always... lots to do :)
21:44 * druthb is gonna go see the new Star Trek movie tonight. Woot!
21:44 pianohacker wow, is that out already?
21:44 pianohacker dang
21:44 druthb Courtesy of my boss, who bought out a *whole showing* for his employees.
21:45 * pianohacker was hoping to have implant for that, will have to watch Pacific Rim instead :)
21:45 pianohacker holy cow, nic
21:45 druthb Uber_geeky_boss++
21:45 pianohacker Who is your boss, anyway?
21:45 druthb Nick Koston, CEO of cPanel.
21:46 pianohacker right! I remember that trickling across my linkedin
21:46 pianohacker cool
21:47 druthb :)
21:49 cait :)
21:49 pianohacker :|
21:54 cait night :)
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22:00 tcohen eythian around?
22:01 mtompset Wow! Hardly any scroll back. It must be the weekend. ;)
22:02 pianohacker it's not the weekend yet! Fight the kiwis!
22:02 mtompset Greetings, gmcharlt druthb pianohacker tcohen.
22:02 pianohacker hell of a name, that
22:02 pianohacker hmm
22:03 gmcharltdruthbpianohackertcohe ahh, one too short!
22:03 * mtompset pokes pianohacker, "Goof!"
22:03 * druthb blinks
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22:03 druthb hi, mtompset! :)
22:03 druthb Hi, larryb! :)
22:03 mtompset pianohacker: Spaces are semantically important. :P
22:03 larryb heya drnoe
22:04 larryb sorry hey druthb
22:04 druthb :P
22:04 drnoe howdy larryb
22:04 larryb howdy Dr.
22:05 pianohacker mtompset: hello. I don't think we've met, actually. I'm Jesse Weaver, a summer intern with ByWater
22:05 mtompset We have typed ever so briefly, if my horrible memory servers correctly. However, it was just pleasantries before.
22:06 pianohacker sounds right
22:06 mtompset I'm Mark Tompsett. I am secon-ded to SIL Asia Area to work on their Koha library project, and whatever else falls on my plate.
22:06 tcohen pianohacker is the one gmacharlt always gets quotes from when he asks for some ramdom quote
22:07 mtompset No, this was a bunch of pleasantries before. I'm sure... However, I'm too lazy to hunt the irc logs. :P
22:07 pianohacker mtompset: Good to meet you :)
22:09 mtompset Likewise.
22:09 mtompset My hacking around with the biblibre patch has proved interesting.
22:09 mtompset I figured out that they did the shibboleth server on the same koha machine, so they could mod_shib the environment variables over.
22:10 mtompset To which I say, "No! I want my IdP whereever it wants to be. Run free IdP."
22:10 jcamins You should make the authentication work like Persona.
22:11 * jcamins is pro-Persona-like authentication.
22:11 mtompset I haven't looked at the persona code bits.
22:13 mtompset Persona seems to do a callback. tickled by Koha, and then it passed nice things back.
22:15 jcamins Exactly. Yup. So the Persona authentication server (whatever they call it, I've forgotten) can be anywhere accessible to the Koha server.
22:15 jcamins I only needed one of "Exactly" or "Yup."
22:15 jcamins Please feel to remove one.
22:15 jcamins *feel free
22:15 * jcamins leaves, since he apparently can't communicate.
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22:17 tcohen gotta change this damn wifi router for once
22:22 tcohen mtompset: does mod_shib need it on the same host?
22:23 mtompset Not sure but the use of mod_shib means tying people to apache2.
22:24 tcohen oh, that's for sure
22:24 mtompset and that seems to be against the philosophy of this community. We don't want to intentionally tie people to things.
22:25 tcohen erhmm, unless its name starts with Debia
22:25 * mtompset chuckles.
22:25 tcohen and ends with n :-P
22:25 mtompset The community is open to assistance to get it to other platforms.
22:25 jcamins Well, rangi and I discussed it, and it sounds like it would be possible to add support for mod_shib without -- as is the case with CAS -- making it a core functionality.
22:25 jcamins So I wouldn't have any objection.
22:26 tcohen without?
22:26 jcamins My objection was based on a mistaken belief that mod_shib would require smashing bits of Shibboleth into everything.
22:26 jcamins tcohen: right... if you're not using Shibboleth, it shouldn't have any impact.
22:27 mtompset You would still need to hack up
22:27 pianohacker it's such a mess, nobody would notice
22:27 tcohen oh, I get it
22:27 pianohacker hell, you might improve something while you're there
22:28 jcamins mtompset: that's not a problem. The problem is that I get CAS errors under Plack occasionally *even though I don't use CAS* because it's so tied up with everything.
22:28 jcamins I thought that was the way Apache authentication works. Turns out that is not so.
22:28 mtompset Ah.
22:29 mtompset pianohacker: Actually, isn't such a mess *IF* you bloody indent the thing sensibly. ;)
22:29 tcohen prints to STDOUT
22:29 tcohen :-P
22:30 mtompset for redirects. :P
22:31 tcohen it also prints pages!
22:31 mtompset! I call B$.
22:32 tcohen my $template_name = ( $type eq 'opac' ) ? 'opac-auth.tmpl' : 'auth.tmpl';
22:32 jcamins I absolutely believe it.
22:32 mtompset That's not a print. :P
22:32 tcohen eythian around?
22:32 jcamins tcohen: it's Saturday there, so probably not.
22:32 mtompset I just did a grep for print on
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22:33 tcohen oh, i always forget... i even have a clock widget with NZ time, but just hour and minutes
22:33 jcamins mtompset: checkauth.
22:34 mtompset print query->redirect.
22:34 mtompset I don't count those. :P
22:35 tcohen @later tell eythian what do u think of having an /etc/default/koha-common file for some configurations? like ENABLE_SIP and such
22:35 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded.
22:37 tcohen jcamins, does the SIP related stuff need some extra setup to work?
22:38 tcohen packages try to start some SIP stuff
22:38 jcamins tcohen: you have to enable ti.
22:38 jcamins *it
22:38 jcamins Set the users, etc.
22:39 tcohen if you install koha-common, out of the box it starts SIP things
22:39 mtompset Hmm.... I can't get a persona log in to work... let's switch branches.
22:39 jcamins tcohen: it starts SIP for SIP-enabled instances, I think.
22:39 jcamins I tested it and it didn't seem to cause any problems for non-SIP instances, and definitely was a huge improvement if you were using SIP.
22:40 tcohen i'll try to reproduce what I saw, it might be a false positive anyway
22:41 mtompset Strange, I can't log in.. Oh wait! My IP address is private.
22:41 jcamins mtompset: that doesn't matter.
22:41 mtompset Are you sure?
22:42 jcamins Pretty sure.
22:42 mtompset I can't log in using persona.
22:42 jcamins I tried it on a VM.
22:42 jcamins Odd.
22:42 mtompset Let me git reset --hard this branch.
22:43 mtompset Nope. Can't log in persona on my
22:45 mtompset I bet it will work for a public IP/name. :)
22:47 mtompset ARG! Facebook isn't sending me the security code!
22:49 mtompset Well, what I'm hacking right now, you tell it the URL to redirect to.
22:49 mtompset And then I copied and modified the default simplesamlphp authenticate.php file. :)
22:49 mtompset So, simplesamlphp does the authentication, and then will redirect back. :)
22:50 mtompset The redirect back part is a little broken right now. :)
22:51 jcamins mtompset: do you have XSS globally disabled? You have to allow XSS for
22:51 jcamins Or
22:51 jcamins I ran into problems with that.
22:52 mtompset Okay... let me check that.
22:52 jcamins You know what time it is?
22:53 pianohacker 5 o'clock somewhere?
22:53 mtompset I was thinking 25 hours away from a Dr. Who episode. ;)
22:54 mtompset I turned off NoScript in my firefox, and it still failed.
22:54 jcamins mtompset: XSS blocking is built into FF/Chrome.
22:55 jcamins I went through the exact same thing- disabled the security plugins, it still didn't work, and eventually I realized it's because I had also turned on every single security precaution available directly in the browser.
22:56 mtompset Okay... going to try IE.
22:56 * jcamins shudders.
22:56 jcamins Still, no danger of it being overly secure, eh?
22:56 mtompset Failed too.
22:56 jcamins Huh.
22:56 jcamins Not sure what it could be, then.
22:57 jcamins Anyway, webservices++
22:58 mtompset Your router probably redirects to your private IP address.
22:58 mtompset I don't know either, really.
23:02 tcohen unless you have a proxy messing in the middle, it shouldn't mind you're on an internal IP
23:04 mtompset Don't know.
23:04 * mtompset shrugs.
23:39 tcohen SIP2?
23:39 tcohen SIP2 literature?

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