| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 00:00 |
|
dcook |
Hmm. Knew it was a big party, but didn't know it was particularly in regards to Québecois nationalism... |
| 00:00 |
|
dcook |
I might not be that welcome in that case :p |
| 00:12 |
|
gml |
hi, anyone could help me with a zebra and authorities issue plz? |
| 00:28 |
|
trea |
anyone around to answer questions about z39.50 search fields? |
| 00:29 |
|
dcook |
trea: Possibly. Depends on the question :p |
| 00:29 |
|
trea |
raw (any) - what does this refer to in the search window? |
| 00:29 |
|
dcook |
1=1016 |
| 00:29 |
|
* trea |
doesn't understand the answer. |
| 00:30 |
|
dcook |
Fair enough. I'm trying to think of how to rephrase it |
| 00:30 |
|
trea |
where's deep thought when i need him |
| 00:30 |
|
dcook |
So 1016 is the Bib-1 attribute (found in bib1.attr), which is linked up with the label "Any" in ccl.properties, I believe |
| 00:31 |
|
dcook |
In terms of the marc fields included in this Any index...records.abs might say... |
| 00:31 |
|
* dcook |
takes a quick peek |
| 00:31 |
|
dcook |
Although only for GRS-1 indexing, I think |
| 00:31 |
|
trea |
so for dom it doesn't apply |
| 00:35 |
|
dcook |
Not sure |
| 00:35 |
|
dcook |
I'll be back with you in a sec |
| 00:35 |
|
dcook |
Just on the phone :) |
| 00:39 |
|
dcook |
biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml looks like records.abs equivalent |
| 00:40 |
|
dcook |
biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl references the Any index |
| 00:41 |
|
dcook |
I haven't done much with DOM indexing, but it looks like every text node goes into the Any index |
| 00:42 |
|
dcook |
Any yeah, in ccl.properties (around lines 60-61), you'll see that "Any" and "kw" are linked with 1=1016 (the bib-1 attribute) |
| 00:42 |
|
dcook |
trea: Does that clarify things at all? lol. I can try to explain further if it doesn't |
| 00:55 |
|
bag |
yeah but remember these are search terms in the z3950 to search other sites - not your own koha |
| 00:55 |
|
bag |
the words on this page…. z3950_search.pl |
| 00:55 |
|
bag |
http://git.koha-community.org/[…]e283171c4;hb=HEAD |
| 00:56 |
|
dcook |
Mmm, I thought the question was about searching Koha |
| 00:56 |
|
bag |
raw (any) sounds like it should be search 101 attribute number |
| 00:56 |
|
dcook |
As for remote z3950 targets...yeah...it's always going to depend on how they index |
| 00:56 |
|
bag |
not 101 1016 |
| 00:57 |
|
bag |
my 6 key is sticky for some reason |
| 00:57 |
|
dcook |
? |
| 00:57 |
|
dcook |
Ah |
| 00:57 |
|
dcook |
Yeah, raw (any) is totally 1016 |
| 00:57 |
|
bag |
ok what's the 1016 attribute in record.abs? |
| 00:57 |
|
* dcook |
has turned z3950.search inside and out |
| 00:57 |
|
bag |
do you have that handy |
| 00:57 |
|
dcook |
I do have that handy |
| 00:57 |
|
dcook |
"all any" |
| 00:57 |
|
dcook |
:p |
| 00:58 |
|
bag |
damn same here :P |
| 00:58 |
|
bag |
http://www.loc.gov/z3950/agency/defns/bib1.html |
| 00:58 |
|
bag |
alright so basically that's our broad broad keyword search |
| 00:58 |
|
dcook |
Yeah, that site is pretty good. |
| 00:58 |
|
bag |
anything that is indexed in any we appear here |
| 00:58 |
|
dcook |
http://www.loc.gov/z3950/agency/bib1.html provides more detail |
| 00:59 |
|
dcook |
The record is selected if there |
| 00:59 |
|
dcook |
exists a Use attribute that the |
| 00:59 |
|
dcook |
target supports (and considers |
| 00:59 |
|
dcook |
appropriate - see note 1) such |
| 00:59 |
|
dcook |
that the record would be |
| 00:59 |
|
dcook |
selected if the target were to |
| 00:59 |
|
dcook |
substitute that attribute. |
| 01:00 |
|
bag |
so ANY basically is anything that that Z3950 site is indexing into the ANY index - will return in the raw (any) field |
| 01:00 |
|
dcook |
Yup |
| 01:00 |
|
dcook |
But it's not 100% certain what that is |
| 01:00 |
|
bag |
yeah I wrote that for trea _lunching's benefit :P |
| 01:01 |
|
bag |
welcome back talljoy |
| 01:01 |
|
tcohen |
any spanish speaker around? |
| 01:01 |
|
talljoy |
thanks bag. |
| 01:01 |
|
dcook |
According to this bib-1 spec, it seems possible that only access points would be indexed in Any |
| 01:01 |
|
dcook |
But whether access points is a generic term or is a aacr2/rda term isn't entirely clear.. |
| 01:01 |
|
bag |
how was Pythagoras talljoy |
| 01:02 |
|
talljoy |
he was awesome. check out the picture on facebook |
| 01:02 |
|
bag |
yeah I like my lame def dcook :) |
| 01:02 |
|
bag |
yeah I saw it talljoy and liked it :) and shared it with Sonja |
| 01:02 |
|
talljoy |
ha! |
| 01:10 |
|
dcook |
bag: The following link exlains "all any" in records.abs http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ng_Zebra_indexing |
| 01:10 |
|
dcook |
explains* |
| 01:11 |
|
dcook |
In Koha, "all any" seems to basically be a word (rather than phrase) index that includes all the other indexes |
| 01:11 |
|
dcook |
Well, all the other word indexes |
| 01:11 |
|
dcook |
So for grs-1, "any" doesn't include every element from the record |
| 01:11 |
|
dcook |
Rather, just every indexed element |
| 01:11 |
|
dcook |
Whereas with Dom indexing, "any" literally includes every text node from the record |
| 01:11 |
|
dcook |
So every element |
| 01:12 |
|
dcook |
But, again, with remote targets...it really depends on how they index things. |
| 01:13 |
|
dcook |
Reading LoC's bib-1 spec again...the grs-1 method isn't that bizarre. The idea is that "Any" should be important fields, whereas "Anywhere" should be absolutely every element in a record |
| 01:14 |
|
dcook |
Hmm. Cool. |
| 01:15 |
|
* dcook |
listens to more space music and tries to figure out why tcpdf's examples only work if you clear the output buffer first... |
| 01:16 |
|
dcook |
AHHH |
| 01:16 |
|
dcook |
So obviouis |
| 01:16 |
|
dcook |
obvious* |
| 01:16 |
|
|
edveal joined #koha |
| 01:16 |
|
dcook |
My debugging messages were causing TCPDF to fail...durr |
| 01:17 |
|
* dcook |
waves to druthb |
| 01:17 |
|
* druthb |
waves to dcook |
| 01:19 |
|
eythian |
http://youtu.be/0EyfEDKWscg <-- wow |
| 01:20 |
|
mtompset |
Greetings, dcook druthb talljoy bag tcohen trea eythian and whoever else I missed. :) |
| 01:20 |
|
tcohen |
hi mtompset |
| 01:21 |
|
talljoy |
hi mtompset |
| 01:21 |
|
dcook |
hey ya mtompset |
| 01:22 |
|
druthb |
hi, mtompset! :) |
| 01:22 |
|
dcook |
eythian: Whoa... |
| 01:22 |
|
talljoy |
hi druthb!!! |
| 01:23 |
|
druthb |
hi, talljoy! :D |
| 01:23 |
|
talljoy |
how's life in houston? |
| 01:26 |
|
dcook |
eythian: That's really quite amazing |
| 01:26 |
|
eythian |
it is a bit |
| 01:30 |
|
mtompset |
Wow is right. Is it doctored? |
| 01:30 |
|
gml |
since when you people became so arrogant? is this now a private club? |
| 01:31 |
|
dcook |
O_o |
| 01:31 |
|
rangi |
wtf was that about? |
| 01:31 |
|
eythian |
no one was answering his question I think. |
| 01:31 |
|
eythian |
Probably because no one knew the answer. |
| 01:32 |
|
rangi |
oh |
| 01:32 |
|
cjh |
or the question. |
| 01:32 |
|
wahanui |
the question is "What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?" |
| 01:32 |
|
rangi |
ah yeah he didnt actually ask a question |
| 01:32 |
|
cjh |
42 |
| 01:32 |
|
eythian |
<gml> After testing authorities query (auth_finder.pl), there are some entries which cannot be found in web GUI. how can I correct this? |
| 01:33 |
|
rangi |
ahh, didnt even see that |
| 01:33 |
|
dcook |
Huh, I think that was before I got there |
| 01:33 |
|
cjh |
I only saw his most recent question, that makes more sense. |
| 01:33 |
|
rangi |
yeah |
| 01:33 |
|
dcook |
<gml> hi, anyone could help me with a zebra and authorities issue plz? |
| 01:33 |
|
rangi |
yeah |
| 01:33 |
|
talljoy |
i think he asked at the witching hour between 'koha shifts' :-) |
| 01:33 |
|
cjh |
heh |
| 01:33 |
|
rangi |
entitlement much? |
| 01:33 |
|
talljoy |
between when california drops off and NZ kicks in |
| 01:34 |
|
dcook |
rangi: Indeed |
| 01:34 |
|
cjh |
either way, getting angry isn't going to solve the problem. |
| 01:34 |
|
rangi |
that may be our first ragequit |
| 01:35 |
|
dcook |
In hindsight, I did see the question, but was a bit too busy at that moment to engage |
| 01:35 |
|
dcook |
Tcpdf errors and all.. |
| 01:35 |
|
rangi |
i still dont know the answer |
| 01:35 |
|
dcook |
I don't even really understand the question |
| 01:35 |
|
rangi |
or actually i dont understand the question |
| 01:35 |
|
rangi |
that |
| 01:36 |
|
dcook |
Nor do I feel obligated to pry out a question from someone who asks a vague question and then disappears before the ragequit |
| 01:43 |
|
mtompset |
Well, he did ask 3 times over 3-4 hours. |
| 01:43 |
|
mtompset |
druthb answered part of his mibbit issues. |
| 01:43 |
|
eythian |
wahanui: mean is <reply>http://media.tumblr.com/d81c25[…]1r0tcyxo2_250.gif |
| 01:43 |
|
wahanui |
OK, eythian. |
| 01:43 |
|
mtompset |
and the other two times, well, others came along asked a question, and it looked like his was ignored. |
| 01:44 |
|
trea |
i've asked plenty of questions in #koha, and been met with only crickets. |
| 01:44 |
|
trea |
i never took it personally |
| 01:44 |
|
rangi |
i guess we are more used to irc is the problem |
| 01:44 |
|
mtompset |
Yes, you have to have a thick skin sometimes. ;) |
| 01:45 |
|
rangi |
not so much a thick skin |
| 01:45 |
|
rangi |
realistic expectations of what a bunch of volunteers who may or may not actually be at the computers can offer you |
| 01:45 |
|
mtompset |
well, not take things personally. |
| 01:45 |
|
* trea |
is still waiting for his private club card. |
| 01:45 |
|
trea |
:P |
| 01:45 |
|
rangi |
i do think a lot of users think we get paid to be here or something |
| 01:46 |
|
eythian |
trea: you didn't get your card? |
| 01:46 |
|
eythian |
Ooh, this is awkward |
| 01:46 |
|
trea |
D: |
| 01:46 |
|
dcook |
rangi: true as |
| 01:46 |
|
mtompset |
That would be an example of an unrealistic expectation, rangi. |
| 01:47 |
|
dcook |
Admittedly, I responded to trea's question, but that's because I've been doing a lot with z39.50 lately and I did say I was only around depending on the question :p |
| 01:47 |
|
dcook |
Which was quite straightforward |
| 01:48 |
|
jcamins |
dcook: you were close, but not quite there with all any. :) |
| 01:48 |
|
dcook |
Darn! |
| 01:48 |
|
trea |
heh |
| 01:49 |
|
dcook |
I was wondering if you were lurking for that one ;) |
| 01:49 |
|
dcook |
What did I miss? |
| 01:49 |
|
jcamins |
The "all" command in GRS-1 includes all previously indexed data in the specified index. |
| 01:49 |
|
jcamins |
It is actually orthogonal to AACR2/RDA access points. |
| 01:50 |
|
jcamins |
It's not part of the Bib-1 spec at all. |
| 01:50 |
|
trea |
but again, this is only applicable if you use grs1. |
| 01:51 |
|
jcamins |
Right. |
| 01:51 |
|
dcook |
Yeah, that's what I was saying |
| 01:51 |
|
dcook |
Or thought I was saying, lol |
| 01:51 |
|
trea |
so, in the case of a dom indexed site, it shouldn't be used. |
| 01:51 |
|
dcook |
"Any" is Bib-1, but All is GRS-1 |
| 01:51 |
|
dcook |
Well "Any" is Bib-1, I guess "any" is still GRS-1 |
| 01:51 |
|
jcamins |
Actually, GRS-1 just isn't case-sensitive. |
| 01:51 |
|
* cjh |
suddenly feels like he is the only human surrounded by martians |
| 01:52 |
|
trea |
welcome to my world |
| 01:52 |
|
dcook |
trea: "Any" is still defined in the DOM XSL -> biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl |
| 01:52 |
|
dcook |
I believe |
| 01:52 |
|
dcook |
jcamins: So that "any", it that the ccl "any"? |
| 01:52 |
|
jcamins |
dcook: you may have said that. I just skimmed through the backlog, and your explanation of "all any" made it sound like "all any" was the command, which could lead to you getting confused and ultimately entering a downard spiral of depression and horror as you contemplate the Bib-1 standard. |
| 01:52 |
|
dcook |
Wait, that doesn't make sense |
| 01:53 |
|
* jcamins |
has been there ^^ |
| 01:53 |
|
dcook |
Ahh, yeah, there were some frustrated Bib-1 moments last week I believe |
| 01:53 |
|
jcamins |
You start off feeling pretty good. |
| 01:54 |
|
jcamins |
"I can do this," you say. "all any is the key. I can just use that index..." then it goes down-hill. |
| 01:54 |
|
dcook |
hehe |
| 01:54 |
|
dcook |
Yeah, I saw the "all" directive here: http://www.indexdata.com/zebra/doc/grs-conf.html |
| 01:54 |
|
jcamins |
The ccl prefixes are actually *another* set of orthogonal mappings. |
| 01:54 |
|
trea |
at the expense of being obtuse...i can or cannot use this field if i have dom indexing enabled. |
| 01:55 |
|
jcamins |
trea: any, yes, all, no. |
| 01:55 |
|
dcook |
trea: Should be all good |
| 01:55 |
|
dcook |
What he said ;) |
| 01:55 |
|
dcook |
But as bag was saying, this only relates to searching Koha |
| 01:55 |
|
dcook |
Searching remote Z39.50 targets is dependent on how they've indexed their data |
| 01:55 |
|
trea |
okay, so in the case of LOC for instance |
| 01:56 |
|
jcamins |
Head's up: they might be down, if you're trying to troubleshoot searches failing. |
| 01:56 |
|
wizzyrea |
AHA |
| 01:56 |
|
* wizzyrea |
tried one earlier and it didn't work and wondered why |
| 01:56 |
|
jcamins |
... huh. |
| 01:56 |
|
dcook |
trea: According to LoC, they certainly have it set up: http://www.loc.gov/z3950/lcserver.html |
| 01:57 |
|
trea |
honestly, no. a librarian asked why she should use these fields |
| 01:57 |
|
eythian |
there was someone asking about that on the list wasn't there? |
| 01:57 |
|
jcamins |
The FIVE MILLION messages about the Z39.50 server at LC might actually have been useful. |
| 01:57 |
|
trea |
and shockingly, since it doesn't seem to be covered in the manual, i was just trying to find an answer |
| 01:57 |
|
dcook |
For the big z3950 targets, they publish the lists of the Bib-1 attributes they support (although these aren't always accurate/comprehensive) |
| 01:58 |
|
dcook |
trea: In my opinion, using raw (any) is a really good idea |
| 01:58 |
|
dcook |
Because chances are it's always going to be supported |
| 01:59 |
|
dcook |
While less precise than other fields, it has the potential to capture more relevant records |
| 01:59 |
|
dcook |
Wait, it's precision v. recall |
| 01:59 |
|
dcook |
nix relevant |
| 01:59 |
|
dcook |
Raw (any) gets you more records with less precision. But...you can count on it getting you something. |
| 01:59 |
|
dcook |
So there's the value |
| 02:00 |
|
dcook |
imho ;) |
| 02:00 |
|
trea |
that's what i was looking for |
| 02:00 |
|
dcook |
:) |
| 02:01 |
|
trea |
now, how about the "standard id" field? |
| 02:01 |
|
jcamins |
Well... unless you have a remote that includes less in 1016 than in other fields. |
| 02:01 |
|
jcamins |
No, no, don't thank me. |
| 02:02 |
|
jcamins |
trea: in principle that includes most standard IDs. |
| 02:02 |
|
trea |
what does "ID" mean in this instance. |
| 02:03 |
|
jcamins |
So, ISBN, ISSN, CODEN, LCCN, etc. |
| 02:03 |
|
jcamins |
035. |
| 02:03 |
|
trea |
okay, that helps |
| 02:03 |
|
jcamins |
Oh! Score numbers. |
| 02:03 |
|
dcook |
Oooo |
| 02:03 |
|
jcamins |
That's where you'd _really_ need iy. |
| 02:03 |
|
jcamins |
*it |
| 02:04 |
|
trea |
okay, jcamins. you mentioned LCCN. There is a field called "LC call number" is this the same as LCCN? |
| 02:04 |
|
dcook |
Generally speaking, if you look at the sub Z39.50search in Breeding.pm, you will see the mapping between the z39.50 search form and the bib-1 attributes |
| 02:04 |
|
jcamins |
Library of Congress Control Number. |
| 02:04 |
|
dcook |
You can then use a site like (http://www.loc.gov/z3950/agency/bib1.html) to figure out which MARC tags are included in that |
| 02:05 |
|
dcook |
(Although for Koha, you'll need to look at the Zebra config docs...) |
| 02:05 |
|
trea |
LCCN = Library of Congress Control Number ? |
| 02:05 |
|
dcook |
(Which get less scary the more you look at them...which in itself is a different type of fear) |
| 02:05 |
|
dcook |
trea: nope |
| 02:05 |
|
dcook |
Ack |
| 02:05 |
|
dcook |
LCCN = Library of Congress Control Number |
| 02:05 |
|
dcook |
Which is not the same as the LC call number |
| 02:06 |
|
trea |
okay, that at least helps to clarify some of these fields |
| 02:07 |
|
dcook |
The call number is for storing/retrieving physical items on shelves |
| 02:07 |
|
wizzyrea |
patch for the manual! |
| 02:07 |
|
dcook |
The LCCN is an internal number that LoC uses, and which others can use to find books in the LoC catalogue |
| 02:08 |
|
dcook |
Some books have them published on the back of the title page |
| 02:08 |
|
dcook |
Although usually they're just 8 digit numbers which may or may not be separated by a space or hyphen |
| 02:08 |
|
dcook |
The really old ones might only be 7 digits...in which case you need to add a 0...I think at the start |
| 02:08 |
|
* dcook |
used to catalogue a lot of old(ish) books. Yes, that (ish) qualification is for you jcamins :p |
| 02:08 |
|
dcook |
wizzyrea! |
| 02:08 |
|
wahanui |
wizzyrea is a fan of selecting hunks for committing. |
| 02:08 |
|
jcamins |
dcook: and sometimes letters. |
| 02:09 |
|
* wizzyrea |
looks towards trea - i'm dang good at it too. |
| 02:09 |
|
dcook |
Really? Xs and such? |
| 02:09 |
|
trea |
<- committed |
| 02:09 |
|
dcook |
hehe |
| 02:09 |
|
wizzyrea |
^.^ |
| 02:09 |
|
jcamins |
No, 'n's and sometimes... 's's? |
| 02:10 |
|
jcamins |
Aaaand... something several letters long. |
| 02:10 |
|
jcamins |
Ah. n/nb/nr/no/sh/sj/sp |
| 02:10 |
|
jcamins |
Wait, wrong table. |
| 02:11 |
|
jcamins |
I'm not keying all these options in. |
| 02:11 |
|
jcamins |
Take my word, there are a lot. |
| 02:11 |
|
jcamins |
http://www.loc.gov/marc/lccn_s[…]cture.html#prefix |
| 02:12 |
|
trea |
and finally, the control number field is the 001? |
| 02:12 |
|
jcamins |
010 |
| 02:13 |
|
trea |
sorry, right. 010 |
| 02:14 |
|
jcamins |
And I recommend you not ask about the repeated years when they were using 2-digit numbers. The knowledge that they differentiated the years by starting at a higher serial number is enough to give anyone a headache. |
| 02:14 |
|
trea |
okay, thanks for the elucidation. |
| 02:14 |
|
trea |
jcamins++ |
| 02:14 |
|
trea |
dcook++ |
| 02:14 |
|
trea |
yeah, i'm going to stop while i'm ahead |
| 02:14 |
|
dcook |
hehe |
| 02:15 |
|
dcook |
Hope I helped and didn't overwhelm. The more I delve into z39.50 and Zebra, the more I'm intrigued. |
| 02:15 |
|
* dcook |
really likes knowing how things work |
| 02:15 |
|
eythian |
dcook: you should also rewrite search.pm while you're there. |
| 02:16 |
|
* wizzyrea |
wishes that eythian had busted out the evil laugh |
| 02:16 |
|
dcook |
lol |
| 02:16 |
|
eythian |
heh |
| 02:16 |
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jcamins |
Yeah! Do it! |
| 02:16 |
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cjh |
eythian: you need to work on your evil laugh... |
| 02:17 |
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dcook |
I think jcamins has sufficiently warned me off even attempting that ;) |
| 02:17 |
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dcook |
Plus, as has been noted, the time and money just aren't there :/ |
| 02:17 |
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eythian |
I just made a typo in vim and discovered a new feature. I like when that happens. |
| 02:17 |
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dcook |
new feature? |
| 02:17 |
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cjh |
heh, was it something awesome? |
| 02:18 |
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eythian |
If I press shift-K it gives me the perldoc for the word under the cursor. |
| 02:18 |
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eythian |
Probably part of the perl plugin I have installed that I've never really studied. |
| 02:18 |
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dcook |
Makes sense |
| 02:19 |
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dcook |
I really liike my vim config at work but not (overly) looking forward to trying to get vim on the Debian box to be similar.. |
| 02:19 |
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jcamins |
dcook: scp workserver:.vimrc ~/.vimrc |
| 02:19 |
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jcamins |
Done. |
| 02:19 |
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eythian |
just rsy |
| 02:19 |
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eythian |
...that |
| 02:20 |
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cjh |
dcook: copy ~/.vimrc over? |
| 02:20 |
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cjh |
eythian: shift-k for me looks for perldoc, but it isnt smart enough to try and find it so it is really just running 'perldoc <word-under-cursor>' :( |
| 02:20 |
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dcook |
I'm not sure where it lives :/ |
| 02:20 |
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dcook |
I'm seeing lots and none to obviously be mine |
| 02:20 |
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jcamins |
dcook: ~/.vimrc |
| 02:20 |
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wizzyrea |
the one in your homedir? |
| 02:21 |
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dcook |
I don't see one there :S |
| 02:21 |
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cjh |
the default is usually /etc/vim/vimrc but if you are making changes as your user it should be ~/.vimrc |
| 02:21 |
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wizzyrea |
it'll be a .dotfile, might be hidden try ls -lah ? |
| 02:21 |
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wizzyrea |
well it *will* be hidden |
| 02:21 |
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dcook |
Tried that too wizzyrea :/ |
| 02:21 |
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wizzyrea |
no might. |
| 02:22 |
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eythian |
also .vim/ |
| 02:22 |
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eythian |
though that might have to be referenced from .vimrc |
| 02:22 |
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eythian |
but maybe your system-wide config does that for you. |
| 02:22 |
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dcook |
Hmm, there's one in usr/share |
| 02:22 |
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dcook |
That might be it.. |
| 02:23 |
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dcook |
It's the one that comes with the suse packaged vim |
| 02:24 |
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jcamins |
dcook: :scriptnames |
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jcamins |
http://stackoverflow.com/quest[…]-is-my-vimrc-file |
| 02:25 |
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dcook |
/etc/vimrc and lots of /usr/share/ scripts |
| 02:25 |
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cjh |
you could also use :mkvimrc to write your current settings to a file |
| 02:25 |
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jcamins |
cjh: ooh, nifty! I didn't know that one! |
| 02:25 |
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* jcamins |
calls it a night. |
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cjh |
night |
| 02:26 |
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eythian |
later jcamins |
| 02:26 |
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dcook |
night, jcamins. |
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trea |
night jcamins. and thanks again. |
| 02:26 |
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dcook |
I'll ask you more about "all any" next time ;) |
| 02:26 |
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dcook |
cjh: That looks like the ticket |
| 02:27 |
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cjh |
that will export all the settings across your rc files, so should be enough to save that and migrate to your new system |
| 02:27 |
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cjh |
(although your new system may have additional rules in the rc files) |
| 02:27 |
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cjh |
goodluck :) |
| 02:31 |
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dcook |
Hmm, that might be enough... |
| 02:31 |
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dcook |
I'd like to know which one I'm actually using though :/ |
| 02:32 |
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cjh |
define using? |
| 02:32 |
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cjh |
all of them are being read |
| 02:32 |
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dcook |
Surely not...that's quite a few! |
| 02:32 |
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dcook |
Wouldn't it do something like git? |
| 02:32 |
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dcook |
Where it tries to find one in your home directory, then tries the git repo, then tries the system files? |
| 02:33 |
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cjh |
:help scriptnames |
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cjh |
> List all sourced script names, in the order they were first sourced. |
| 02:33 |
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cjh |
afaik git does something similar, it uses all your config files but the 'closer' one takes priority. |
| 02:34 |
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dcook |
Yeah, it does |
| 02:34 |
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dcook |
And I see now... |
| 02:34 |
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dcook |
I think... |
| 02:34 |
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dcook |
I think it is the etc/vimrc |
| 02:35 |
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dcook |
Yes, that's 100% it |
| 02:36 |
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dcook |
Thanks cjh :) |
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dcook |
(You too jcamins) |
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dcook |
It is the default that came with the suse vim, so I imagine there might be some sort of conflicts if I try using this, but it's worth a shot |
| 02:37 |
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dcook |
Trying to edit things atm in Debian is...well...very different |
| 02:37 |
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dcook |
But once I sort out that audio issue...it's onto installing Koha with the deb packages! |
| 02:38 |
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cjh |
I have a .vim git repo and symlink my ~/.vimrc to ~/.vim/vimrc, and then have a collection of plugins and crazyness inside there :) |
| 02:38 |
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dcook |
hehe |
| 02:38 |
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dcook |
I like it! |
| 02:38 |
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dcook |
I don't know why I didn't start using Linux years ago |
| 02:39 |
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dcook |
I suppose that near 7 years of full-time (humanities and social science) uni straight was a bit of a barrier.. |
| 02:39 |
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cjh |
my faculty at university is 99% linux/unix :) |
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dcook |
I think only 1% of my past faculties had heard of linux/unix :p |
| 02:41 |
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dcook |
Well, that's probably not true |
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dcook |
But probably a very low percentage |
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cjh |
our school IT services primarily run windows, but my faculty do their own IT and run linux :) |
| 02:42 |
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dcook |
Sweet. Do they ever run into issues with students trying to hack the system? |
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dcook |
In retrospect, if I had been more capable when I was in middle school/high school, I wonder if I would've gotten up to no good |
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wizzyrea |
i would think that if they were running windows they'd have more problem with that : |
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wizzyrea |
:/ |
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dcook |
As it was, being a slightly above average Windows user, I was able to find things that should've been hidden.. |
| 02:42 |
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cjh |
I am sure it comes up, but the stuff running it are very competent. Running Linux is no less secure than windows ;) |
| 02:43 |
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wizzyrea |
and probably a bit more secure. |
| 02:43 |
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dcook |
So long as the staff are capable, I would think |
| 02:43 |
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wizzyrea |
as privilege separation is somewhat better enforced. |
| 02:43 |
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dcook |
If you had staff that were running an unpatched system, and you had a student that kept on top of things...I'm sure they could learn a few exploits |
| 02:44 |
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dcook |
Well, maybe I'm not sure, but I imagine |
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wizzyrea |
that's no different for windows |
| 02:44 |
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dcook |
Hmm, I suppose that's true |
| 02:45 |
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dcook |
Although I imagine the flaws in Linux are probably publicized more |
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wizzyrea |
the code for linux is open, anyone can look at it. |
| 02:45 |
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dcook |
So that they might be eliminated sooner |
| 02:45 |
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dcook |
Right |
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cjh |
linus' law :) |
| 02:48 |
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dcook |
Intriguing.. |
| 02:48 |
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dcook |
Overall, I believe that having more eyes on the code is definitely a good thing. |
| 02:48 |
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dcook |
But yeah, like you were saying liz, the same thing could happen with Windows |
| 02:49 |
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eythian |
I think bugs in windows and linux are publicised about the same. |
| 02:49 |
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dcook |
eythian: the more I think about it, the more I think you're probably right |
| 02:49 |
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dcook |
And as for real world implementations, I imagine people running Linux are more likely than their Windows counterparts to be on the ball |
| 02:49 |
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dcook |
At least statistically |
| 02:49 |
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dcook |
Not to say that there aren't good Windows sysadmins |
| 02:50 |
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dcook |
But there are so many organizations who seem to be running outdated MS programs |
| 02:54 |
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wizzyrea |
and willfully so, it's not even laziness. |
| 03:15 |
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rangi |
http://questhub.io/about |
| 03:17 |
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wizzyrea |
ooOOOOOooo |
| 03:17 |
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rangi |
we could have fun with that for gbsd |
| 03:17 |
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rangi |
and the like |
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mtompset |
interesting link... I should get to bed. |
| 03:18 |
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mtompset |
Have a great day, everyone. |
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dcook |
tcpdf...you make me want to...grrr |
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trea |
what's up with tcpdf dcook? |
| 04:09 |
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dcook |
It's not Koha related, but I'm trying to turn webpages into PDFs and when I'm testing...I take out a single image element and then it spits out an error O_o |
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dcook |
Asking me to set the action attribute or some such... |
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trea |
ah |
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trea |
sounds ugly |
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dcook |
Totes |
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dcook |
I think wkhtmltopdf might be a better idea |
| 04:11 |
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dcook |
I think the idea is that it uses Webkit to render the webpage, and then pdfs it using the same method that modern browsers use |
| 04:14 |
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cjh |
if you install imagemagick you can just 'convert foo.pdf foo.html' and it will 'just work' |
| 04:14 |
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cjh |
(although it will often create a foo-0.html) |
| 04:14 |
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wizzyrea |
dah really? |
| 04:14 |
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cjh |
it seems to spit out 1 html page per pdf page |
| 04:14 |
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wizzyrea |
that's pretty awesome |
| 04:15 |
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wizzyrea |
does it work the other way too? |
| 04:15 |
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cjh |
yeah, imagemagick is overpowered (although you probably also need ghostscript to handle pdf) |
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wizzyrea |
neat - that's probably why, the first time I tried to use it, i wanted to shoot myself in the face because it wouldn't install |
| 04:16 |
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wizzyrea |
that was like, ages and ages ago |
| 04:16 |
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ibeardslee |
could be worth talking to the EEC team here, I think they do a bunch of stuff like that. |
| 04:16 |
|
* ibeardslee |
comes in late to the conversation |
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dcook |
ibreadsless: EEC? |
| 04:17 |
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dcook |
cjh: I'll look into that! Thanks! |
| 04:19 |
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ibeardslee |
dcook: probably more aimed at wizzyrea .. didn't follow through with reading the scrollback before leaping in. EEC are a catalyst client. |
| 04:19 |
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dcook |
Mmm, I gotcha. No worries. |
| 04:19 |
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* wizzyrea |
was thinking of the Koha manual, actually |
| 04:19 |
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wizzyrea |
but great tip, ibeardslee |
| 04:20 |
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dcook |
cjh: The imagemagick folk suggest not using imagemagick for html -> pdf conversion :/ |
| 04:20 |
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dcook |
Hmm, the Koha manual could be quite easy... |
| 04:21 |
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dcook |
The pages I'm looking at are loaded down with a fair bit of JS and CSS |
| 04:21 |
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dcook |
And I think that's possibly what's causing the issues |
| 04:21 |
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cjh |
oh I read it as the other way, thought you were going pdf to html |
| 04:22 |
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cjh |
html with js is harder. |
| 04:22 |
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dcook |
Depending on the quality needed, I could try tossing out the Javascript, but that's easier said than done as well. |
| 04:23 |
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dcook |
Using pdfutil at the moment to extract text from pdfs, which sometimes works. I think the times it doesn't might relate to encryption, but haven't really looked into it. |
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cjh |
afternoon/morning cait |
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dcook |
hey ya cait |
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cait |
hi cjh and dcook |
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wizzyrea |
morning cait |
| 04:29 |
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dcook |
wizzyrea: Maybe try https://github.com/antialize/wkhtmltopdf for PDFing the Koha manual? |
| 04:30 |
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wizzyrea |
maybe |
| 04:30 |
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wizzyrea |
dk, don't have a moment to look right this second. :) |
| 04:33 |
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dcook |
Well, I might try to talk the boss into trying it out, so I'll let you know how it goes down the line ;) |
| 04:38 |
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wizzyrea |
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/[…]rticle3761376.ece neat, wellington museum of city and sea is on there |
| 04:38 |
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wizzyrea |
I just went there :) |
| 04:41 |
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mtj |
dcook, there are better docbook specific tools to gen pdf from the manual.xml file |
| 04:42 |
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dcook |
Cool beans :) |
| 04:43 |
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mtj |
although, wkhtmltopdf might do a good job, too... |
| 04:44 |
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* dcook |
shrugs |
| 04:44 |
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mtj |
ah, no - its just html->pdf |
| 04:45 |
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dcook |
Convenient |
| 04:46 |
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mtj |
yep, good to know, tho :) |
| 04:47 |
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mtj |
more info… -> http://wiki.docbook.org/DocBookTools |
| 04:48 |
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dcook |
Hmm, tcpdf didn't do a terrible job on one page... |
| 04:48 |
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dcook |
Must not have much JS.. |
| 05:05 |
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mtj |
dcook, fwiw, pandoc and asciidoc both output pdf |
| 05:06 |
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mtj |
and pandoc reads html |
| 05:08 |
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mtj |
… and also outputs to asciidoc :) |
| 05:09 |
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mtj |
so, you could have some success with both of those tools |
| 05:09 |
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dcook |
Hmm, just glanced at pandoc, sounds promising |
| 05:09 |
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dcook |
Thanks, mtj :) |
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reiveune |
hello |
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wahanui |
niihau, reiveune |
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dcook |
hey ya reiveune :) |
| 06:46 |
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dcook |
allo trea :) |
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alex_a |
hello ! |
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cait |
hi all :) and brb |
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dcook |
hey ya alex_a :) |
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reiveune |
salut dcook |
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* dcook |
might've just written a novel to someone explaining why Koha is the best thing since sliced bread... |
| 06:51 |
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dcook |
I love working on a project that I can be proud to promote ^_^ |
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* alex_a |
doesn't like sliced bread ... |
| 06:54 |
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dcook |
Touché |
| 06:54 |
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dcook |
Admittedly, I do love unsliced bread more... |
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cjh |
blasphemers! |
| 06:55 |
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dcook |
Unsliced sourdough? Sooo good |
| 06:55 |
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cjh |
mmmmhhhhmm |
| 06:55 |
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cjh |
I mean no! |
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dcook |
hehe |
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dcook |
My favourite part of getting groceries delivered is the fresh loaf of sourdough on my steps every Tuesday morning |
| 07:02 |
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dcook |
Hmm semantic HTML would be great... |
| 07:03 |
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cjh |
dcook: have you seen http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]i/Linked_Data_RFC ? |
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christophe_c |
hello #koha |
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cjh |
evening :) |
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dcook |
cjh: Cool beans! |
| 07:10 |
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dcook |
magnuse++ |
| 07:11 |
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dcook |
I looked a bit at SPARQL a couple years ago, but I still haven't done much with RDF |
| 07:11 |
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dcook |
LoC looks like it's offering up a lot of its data as RDF though |
| 07:11 |
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dcook |
I think the only way to download authorities at the moment is as RDF |
| 07:11 |
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dcook |
I still wonder a bit about URIs in linked data, but...I have to head off |
| 07:12 |
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dcook |
So night all! |
| 07:12 |
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dcook |
night cjh :) |
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* magnuse |
hopes to get some funding for a project to work on linked data next year |
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gaetan_B |
hello |
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wahanui |
salut, gaetan_B |
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cjh |
magnuse: *fingers crossed* |
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magnuse |
cjh: thanks :-) |
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huginn |
GERMS!!!! |
| 07:20 |
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wahanui |
Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world. |
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kf |
good morning #koha |
| 07:20 |
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cjh |
evening kf :) |
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kf |
hi again cjh :) |
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magnuse |
guten morgen kf and gaetan_B |
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gaetan_B |
'morgen magnuse :) |
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kf |
hi magnuse |
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magnuse |
:-) |
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Viktor |
Hi! Hope all is well. |
| 07:51 |
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Viktor |
Cleaned up the sv-translation a bit and handed to the translators. But noticed file ending .po.txt. Is this correct? |
| 07:52 |
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kf |
no |
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kf |
maybe it happened when youcleaned it up and saved |
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kf |
it shoudl be just .po |
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Viktor |
kf thanks. |
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Viktor |
Poedit on OS X seems fine with it. And when I download from Pootle it looks like .po on the platform but saves as .po.txt on OS X. |
| 07:53 |
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Viktor |
Weird... |
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wahanui |
weird is normal after a while :) |
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kf |
hm |
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kf |
did you use the zip file download on the review tab? |
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Viktor |
No - grabbed it from http://translate.koha-communit[…]/sv/312/edit.html |
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kf |
i think it's probably a browser thing then or something like that |
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kf |
hm yeah, it offers me to save as .txt too |
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Viktor |
Im trying the same download with armeninan now. |
| 07:57 |
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Viktor |
That too saves as .po.txt. |
| 07:58 |
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Viktor |
But opens fine in poedit. |
| 07:58 |
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Viktor |
Thanks for the help kf |
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Viktor |
I'll ask on the translate list and see if anyone knows. It doesn't seem to cause any trouble, but some caution might be good :) |
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kf |
Viktor_away: it's just the file ending, rename it and you are good |
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Viktor |
kf Great! :) |
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kf |
hm quiet today |
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Viktor |
A bit. |
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Viktor |
Drifted off to write a progress report. And now lunch. kf |
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magnuse |
let's make some noise! |
| 09:18 |
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magnuse |
@wunder boo |
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huginn |
magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 5.0°C (10:50 AM CEST on May 15, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Steady). |
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kf |
:) |
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kf |
let's make some last minute sign-offs? ;) |
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kf |
we got a few blockers... |
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Viktor |
I'll make some offline noise. Have a meeting about the academic library's participation in the Koha-project. |
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magnuse |
Viktor: good luck with that |
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kf |
:) |
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Viktor |
Thanks magnuse |
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magnuse |
convince them to use Koha! :-) |
| 09:21 |
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Viktor |
The thought is to have them check for stuff that academic libraries need so we can build a free national infrastructure. |
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magnuse |
w00t! |
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Viktor |
Or at least available for those who want it I should say. |
| 09:22 |
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magnuse |
nah, just force everyone to use it ;-) |
| 09:22 |
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magnuse |
mandatory freedom! |
| 09:22 |
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Viktor |
:D |
| 09:22 |
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Viktor |
I'll suggest that :) |
| 09:23 |
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magnuse |
yay! |
| 09:24 |
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Viktor |
We have funds from the national library to create patches needed for use in Sweden for both academic libraries and "folkbibliotek". But they themselves will hardly want to become vendors. |
| 09:25 |
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kf |
but you got money - sounds like something will happen :) |
| 09:25 |
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magnuse |
@later tell jcamins: the nb-NO translation is "done" - everything except 1. help files and 2. marc21/unimarc specific stuff is translated. hope nb-NO can make it into the list of translated languages! :-) |
| 09:25 |
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huginn |
magnuse: The operation succeeded. |
| 09:25 |
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Viktor |
kj We do have a bit of funds for 2013-2014. |
| 09:26 |
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Viktor |
Some is to pay the people working in the project, some is to create documentation and so forth. But a sizable amount is for development. |
| 09:27 |
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Viktor |
And a third of that is geared towards Pubsubhubbub. |
| 09:27 |
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Viktor |
(but they have no hub yet to test on so I have been holding off on that) |
| 09:28 |
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Viktor |
Well: always glad to see you kf magnuse. I'll hop off to go for lunch and meetings. |
| 09:29 |
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kf |
bye Viktor |
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* kf |
wonders what that ...hubbub is |
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magnuse |
kf: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PubSubHubbub |
| 09:32 |
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magnuse |
it's a system Viktor wants to use to pull records into koha from a central catalogue |
| 09:32 |
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kf |
oh |
| 09:32 |
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magnuse |
well, it's what the central catalogue wants to use, really |
| 09:33 |
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kf |
ah :) |
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magnuse |
the library buys a book, the central catalogue (Libris) is notified and the MARC record is "sent" to Koha via pubsubhubbub |
| 09:33 |
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kf |
interesting :) |
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kf |
going to use the restful api? |
| 09:36 |
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magnuse |
possibly - i don't quite remember the details of what we talked about... |
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* kf |
wishes hard for oleonard to appear |
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kf |
oleonard? |
| 09:42 |
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wahanui |
i think oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer |
| 09:43 |
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magnuse |
kf: gotta wish harder |
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kf |
trying |
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jcamins |
Cool, my e-mail did something! Czech strings have been uploaded. |
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magnuse |
yay |
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jenkins_koha |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_6329' into 3.14-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]0ebf1e64d8964416c> / Bug 6329 - patron categories should show which fields are required <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]227c792c2ff07134d> / Merge branch 'bug_10214' into 3.14-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]oha.git;a=commitd |
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oleonard |
Hi #koha |
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druthb |
o/ |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_3.12.x build #32: SUCCESS in 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.12.x/32/ |
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jenkins_koha |
* Owen Leonard: Bug 10108 - can't print more than one page of overdues |
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jenkins_koha |
* Frédéric Demians: Bug 10214 Add header to syspref po files |
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jenkins_koha |
* Owen Leonard: Bug 6329 - patron categories should show which fields are required |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10108 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , can't print more than one page of overdues |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10214 normal, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , malformed syspref.po file |
| 12:48 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6329 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , patron categories should show which fields are required |
| 12:48 |
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oleonard |
Hi druthb |
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druthb |
:) Hi, oleonard! |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build #1173 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1164 8 days 23 hr ago) |
| 13:06 |
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kf |
hi oleonard :) |
| 13:07 |
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kf |
oleonard: about the translation bug I filed earlier - i realized later that _("") works too... but not working on a patch right now |
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kf |
jcamins++ |
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JohnnyAce |
hello |
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kf |
hi Joh |
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kf |
ah i was too slow |
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oleonard |
Hi kf. I didn't look closely at that bug but I'm sure it's much like other translation bugs we've had. |
| 13:38 |
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kf |
it is |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'deb_scripts_312_rc1' into 3.14-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]38e30fb3da0d92508> / Bug 10094 - koha-list should have a --disabled option switch <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]78e6a37e5b85273f5> / Bug 10146 - koha-stop-zebra error handling <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]b/?p=koha.git;a=c |
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kf |
only bit grumpy so many things crept in again :) |
| 13:40 |
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oleonard |
We have a tendency to add shiny new things to Koha before they're really finished. |
| 13:40 |
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magnuse |
oooh, shiny... |
| 13:42 |
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kf |
magnuse: don't get distracted... i think you have something to work on? |
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magnuse |
nah, never heard of it... |
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* kf |
glares at magnuse and points at his desk |
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* magnuse |
intends to leave his desk in 10 minutes and come back to it tonight. so there! |
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* druthb |
offers magnuse and kf cookies, so they won't bicker. |
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magnuse |
yay |
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* magnuse |
wanders off |
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kf |
druthb: i am helping him! |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_master build #1173: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 11 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1173/ |
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jenkins_koha |
* Owen Leonard: Bug 10108 - can't print more than one page of overdues |
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jenkins_koha |
* Frédéric Demians: Bug 10214 Add header to syspref po files |
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jenkins_koha |
* Owen Leonard: Bug 6329 - patron categories should show which fields are required |
| 13:59 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10108 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , can't print more than one page of overdues |
| 13:59 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10214 normal, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , malformed syspref.po file |
| 13:59 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6329 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , patron categories should show which fields are required |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build #33 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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jcamins |
Ugh. I'm not sure why jenkins is failing. |
| 14:06 |
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maximep |
oh man, it's failing all over the place :/ |
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jcamins |
maximep: there's only one actual failure there. |
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oleonard |
sophie_m: Is Bug 7776 still a problem? I don't understand the bug report. |
| 14:07 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7776 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Inconsistency between check in and check out display |
| 14:07 |
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maximep |
"Table 'koha.ratings' doesn't exist". Is there some migrations that wasn't applied on the jenkins server ? |
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jcamins |
maximep: huh? Where's that from? |
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jcamins |
I only see two failures. The Acq failure and daily quotes. |
| 14:08 |
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maximep |
raw output |
| 14:08 |
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maximep |
that's where the interesting stuff is |
| 14:08 |
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jcamins |
Oh. Heh. I don't read that. |
| 14:08 |
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jcamins |
Okay, the RC is not going to be done in the next five minutes. |
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* jcamins |
heads into the city. |
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sophie_m |
oleonard: I think it could be closed |
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oleonard |
Okay, thanks sophie_m |
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kf |
marcelr++ |
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gmcharlt |
@quote random |
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huginn |
gmcharlt: Quote #233: "<oleonard> How about Now that she's three my daughter has terrible authority control" (added by gmcharlt at 05:06 PM, February 14, 2013) |
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* druthb |
chuckles. |
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jcamins |
RC1 is announced, and I am running late. |
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tcohen |
jcamins++ |
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kf |
jcamins++ :) |
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tcohen |
jcamins: did the ccsr .po files get included in the rc? |
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Johnny |
Yo |
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kf |
tcohen: not sure if the pull request has happened yet |
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druthb |
It has not. |
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kf |
i woudl guess they are not, butnot sure |
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druthb |
The pull req will happen Saturday morning, US time. |
| 14:37 |
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kf |
so probably not - but in final release then :) |
| 14:37 |
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kf |
and hey druthb :) |
| 14:38 |
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dever23b |
Hello -- is anyone experiencing issues with Z39.50 searches to Library of Congress? I've tried manual queries and I always get "search failed at opac rc=1" |
| 14:38 |
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Johnny |
Yeah, me too |
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kf |
i think someone said it was down? |
| 14:39 |
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Johnny |
lx2.loc.gov:210 |
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dever23b |
I've tried the "old" hostname (z3950.loc.gov:70990) and the "new" (lx2.loc.gov:210) ... same results |
| 14:39 |
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Johnny |
and/or z3950.loc.gov |
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dever23b |
Oh really? Wonderful! |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_3.12.x build #33: SUCCESS in 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.12.x/33/ |
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jenkins_koha |
* Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10159 - koha-rebuild-zebra error handling |
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jenkins_koha |
* Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10157 - koha-email-enable error handling |
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jenkins_koha |
* Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10146 - koha-stop-zebra error handling |
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jenkins_koha |
* Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10094 - koha-list should have a --disabled option switch |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10159 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , koha-rebuild-zebra error handling |
| 14:39 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10157 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , koha-email-enable error handling |
| 14:39 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10146 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , koha-stop-zebra error handling |
| 14:39 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10094 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , koha-list should have an --disabled option |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build #1174 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1164 9 days 0 hr ago) |
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kf |
i am not sure tho |
| 14:40 |
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Johnny |
Can anyone eles confirm LOC is having an issue with Z searches? |
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kf |
did it work for you in the past? |
| 14:41 |
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Johnny |
It has worked for most of the year.. Just within last 48-72 hours |
| 14:41 |
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dever23b |
Same |
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dever23b |
I have not made any changes in the past 9+ months and we haven't had any reported issues until now. During intial investigation, I came across the news from 1/2013 regarding the new hostname and attempted using that to no avail. |
| 14:43 |
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dever23b |
I don't get any "errors" from Koha; it simply always returns 0 records. So, I equipped my good friend SSH and tried doing some Z queries with yaz-client and that's when I developed the failures |
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dever23b |
Z> open z3950.loc.gov:7090/Voyager |
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dever23b |
Connecting...OK. |
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dever23b |
Sent initrequest. |
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dever23b |
Connection accepted by v3 target. |
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dever23b |
ID : 34 |
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dever23b |
Name : Voyager LMS - Z39.50 Server (YAZ Proxy) |
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dever23b |
Version: 2007.2.0/1.2.1.1 |
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dever23b |
Options: search present |
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dever23b |
Elapsed: 1.236377 |
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dever23b |
Z> querytype ccl2rpn |
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dever23b |
Z> find (ti=great gatsby) |
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dever23b |
Sent searchRequest. |
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dever23b |
Received SearchResponse. |
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dever23b |
Search was a bloomin' failure. |
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dever23b |
Number of hits: 0 |
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dever23b |
Result Set Status: none |
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dever23b |
records returned: 0 |
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dever23b |
Diagnostic message(s) from database: |
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dever23b |
[1] Permanent system error -- v2 addinfo 'search failed at opac rc=1' |
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dever23b |
Elapsed: 0.032942 |
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Johnny |
Dever23b.. Let me know .. Gotta run.. |
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dever23b |
@Johnny will do |
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huginn |
dever23b: I've exhausted my database of quotes |
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dever23b |
brb |
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mtompset |
Greetings, #koha. |
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dever23b |
Back |
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dever23b |
Anyone else able to confirm query issues with Z39.50 searches from the Library of Congress (z3950.loc.gov:7090 or lx2.loc.gov:210)? |
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kf |
hi paul_p :) |
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mtompset |
dever23b: my librarian colleague told me to look up 0830822186 on LOC, and he said he got a result and then no results. |
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dever23b |
Thank you! Hmm. |
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mtompset |
I haven't tried to figure out the problem yet. |
| 15:01 |
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mtompset |
Greetings, kf. |
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dever23b |
mtompset: Thanks for the information. Forgive me, I recently took over for our Koha administration and I'm still learning how all this works. Is there anything you'd recommend I investigate to determine whether it's a problem on my server or externally? |
| 15:07 |
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mtompset |
When it comes to z39.50, I know as little as you. Sorry. |
| 15:07 |
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dever23b |
Fabulous! Lol no problem, thanks. |
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reiveune |
bye |
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jwagner |
dever23b, LC hasn't been working all week. I just talked to someone there, and he said the systems staff have been testing and working on something |
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dever23b |
jwagner: thank you very much. I tried searching around for awhile and came up with nothing; is there some kind of place where I can check on the status of LC or do you just have to know somebody there? |
| 15:13 |
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mtompset |
Thanks for the information, jwagner. :) |
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jwagner |
I asked and he said they didn't have a publicly accessible status page, just for internal staff |
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jwagner |
We just have to wait until it starts working again, sigh |
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dever23b |
Even better lol |
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dever23b |
Maybe you should get his direct contact information plastered over the interwebs, and see how long it takes for them to make public a status page :) |
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mtompset |
No, that more then likely would backfire. |
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dever23b |
Yeah probably, but it'd be kinda funny. |
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mtompset |
See how long before LoC stops talking to jwagner and company. |
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jwagner |
I don't threaten LC -- some of my best friends work there... |
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dever23b |
Lol. Apparently both of you missed the sarcastic humor in that. I wasn't actually suggesting that you do that. I'm sorry. |
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mtompset |
I don't see how it is funny not to be able to get the answer to your (and my) question. |
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mtompset |
I would have used a ;) not a :) for sarcasm. :P |
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jwagner |
what's odd is that it works from their own gateway at http://www.loc.gov/z3950/gateway.html#lc -- just not from any external client |
| 15:17 |
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jwagner |
But the problem is definitely on their end |
| 15:17 |
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dever23b |
mtompset: lol. forgive me. syntax error ;) |
| 15:17 |
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dever23b |
jwagner: I noticed that too |
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mtompset |
dever23b: Not a problem. Just glad we could communicate to the point of clarification. |
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dever23b |
mtompset: Likewise. |
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dever23b |
Thanks everyone. I guess I'll just keep checking in. |
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mtompset |
Thanks for the information, jwagner. |
| 15:20 |
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mtompset |
jwagner++ |
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kf |
bye all |
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tcohen |
ok, updated our 38 testing instances to rc1, its a relief not to see broken chars |
| 15:33 |
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tcohen |
(and that koha-translate --update es-ES worked too :-P) |
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jcamins |
tcohen: nope. |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_master build #1174: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 12 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1174/ |
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jenkins_koha |
* Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10159 - koha-rebuild-zebra error handling |
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jenkins_koha |
* Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10157 - koha-email-enable error handling |
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jenkins_koha |
* Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10146 - koha-stop-zebra error handling |
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jenkins_koha |
* Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10094 - koha-list should have a --disabled option switch |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10159 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , koha-rebuild-zebra error handling |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10157 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , koha-email-enable error handling |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10146 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , koha-stop-zebra error handling |
| 15:52 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10094 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , koha-list should have an --disabled option |
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jcamins |
Hehe. |
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* druthb |
blames melia. |
| 16:04 |
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melia |
lol |
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mtompset |
don't you mean git blames melia. ;) |
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mtompset |
Greetings, drojf. :) |
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drojf |
hi mtompset |
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drojf |
and hi #koha |
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drojf |
@wunder berlin, germany |
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huginn |
drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 24.8°C (6:43 PM CEST on May 15, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 25%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Steady). |
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jcamins |
drojf: where were you earlier when I was trying to understand Klotz am Bein? I missed you terribly! :P |
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drojf |
so sorry :D |
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drojf |
did you get it? |
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jcamins |
Yes. |
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jcamins |
Literally it's a ball and chain. |
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jcamins |
Metaphorically it is a heavy burden that drags you down. |
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drojf |
haha i like »an albatross around the neck« |
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jcamins |
drojf: ooh, I like that better. |
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drojf |
i will try to use that in a conversation as soon as possible :D |
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jcamins |
An albatross around the neck: a comedy. :D |
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drojf |
also reminds me of monty python's albatross |
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drojf |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PJix23IeF8 :) |
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nengard |
Hi #koha - say hi to our newest Koha Library here in Las Vegas |
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cait |
oh too late |
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drojf |
it's also the fastest library |
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cait |
more a fast trainer - lots to practice and explain probably |
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pianohacker |
Good morning, #koha |
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oleonard |
Hey pianohacker, is it morning where you are? |
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pianohacker |
oleonard: for another 8 minutes :) |
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pianohacker |
oleonard: how have you been? |
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oleonard |
Very well, and you? |
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pianohacker |
oleonard: excellent, glad to be back |
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* cait |
waves |
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cait |
welcome back pianohacker |
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jcamins |
For people who liked the Hobbit: http://www.chisholm-poster.com[…]n=&search=CL53627 |
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pianohacker |
hi cait |
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gmcharlt |
pianohacker! |
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wahanui |
it has been said that pianohacker is younger, I think. |
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gmcharlt |
yay! |
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mtompset |
Oops... missed it. Greetings, cait oleonard pianohacker and gmcharlt. Hopefully didn't miss anyone. :) |
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cait |
hi mtompset and gmcharlt :) |
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pianohacker |
hi, gmcharlt :) |
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pianohacker |
and mtompset |
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wahanui |
i heard mtompset was disliking the silent warnings flooding his error logs. |
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pianohacker |
I have sympathy for you and we've only just met |
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mtompset |
That always will be true. |
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* druthb |
feels missed by mtompset |
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mtompset |
Oops... sorry, druthb. I didn't scroll back. |
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pianohacker |
druthb! how's it going? |
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druthb |
:P Just pulling your chain, mtompset. |
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druthb |
going okay, pianohacker. :D |
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pianohacker |
sweet |
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jcamins |
gmcharlt++ |
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mtompset |
anyone familiar with setting up a memcache server? :) |
| 18:40 |
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jcamins |
Where are you running into trouble? |
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mtompset |
This is related to my experimentation with the shibboleth patch from biblibre. |
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mtompset |
I successfully got simplesamlphp to authenticate, and I'm pretty sure now I can get it to redirect back to my opac interface. |
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mtompset |
But... well, environment variables need to get pushed and pulled nicely across. |
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mtompset |
I figured a memcache server would be the way to do that. |
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jcamins |
No. |
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jcamins |
Definitely not. |
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jcamins |
A memcached server does not have anything to do with environment variables. |
| 18:43 |
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jcamins |
I mean, you configure it with environment variables, but that's a Koha thing, not a memcached thing. |
| 18:44 |
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jcamins |
So you'll still need your script to read in environment variables. |
| 18:44 |
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mtompset |
Right, but the environment variables for a perl script aren't going to be identical for the PHP script. |
| 18:45 |
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mtompset |
I'm probably doing this all wrong, but I figure I'll try anyways. |
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jcamins |
first question? |
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wahanui |
"What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?" |
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mtompset |
opac login screen has a link to simplesamlphp...?as=OpenIdP... triggers OpenIdP authentication and redirects back to simplesamlphp... which then needs to redirect back to OPAC and have an environment variable set. |
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mtompset |
Yes, I probably should try to write the SP in perl, so I don't have the simplesamlphp mess in the middle. |
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jcamins |
I see. Memcached has nothing to do with that. |
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jcamins |
What you wanted to ask was "how do I work with sessions?" |
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jcamins |
Unfortunately, I don't have an answer beyond "CGI::Session takes care of it in Perl." |
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mtompset |
Hmmm... okay, that's an idea. |
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jcamins |
You can't store environment variables in memcached because that would force you to have only one session open at a time. |
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mtompset |
And that would prevent multiple users, which defeats the purpose. |
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jcamins |
And if you can limit the total concurrent logins to 1, you don't need authentication, really. |
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oleonard |
If we start using LESS, I wonder how that affects tracking changes... What if a patch directly modifies the CSS file instead of the LESS file? |
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cait |
fail qa? |
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cait |
not sure how hard it will make it for people to do changes |
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oleonard |
I worry about that too |
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jcamins |
I don't think it'll make it any harder. |
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oleonard |
It will require people to add a tool to their workflow |
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jcamins |
Not necessarily. |
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jcamins |
Developers can simply use the LESS directly, and it is encumbant (sp?) on the RM to update the CSS. |
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oleonard |
...and anyone who runs Koha off git, although those people are more qualified than anyone else to learn a new tool. |
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* oleonard |
retracts that non-sequitor |
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cait |
hm not sure I can follow |
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cait |
what is the big win of LESS again? |
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cait |
i mean why do we want to use it? |
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magnuse |
you can have variables in css, i think? |
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jcamins |
oleonard: no, other users of git don't have to run LESS. |
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jcamins |
Just the RM. |
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magnuse |
so define a color once in a variable and then use that variable wherever you want to use the color? |
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jcamins |
cait: it allows you to abstract out repeated declarations. |
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jcamins |
Right. |
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jcamins |
One of the benefits of LESS. |
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jcamins |
You can also do sets of rules. |
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pianohacker |
jcamins: To confirm, developers would be using some kind of JS converter shim to use LESS on the fly, or how would that work? |
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jcamins |
pianohacker: right. |
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jcamins |
http://lesscss.org/#usage |
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tcohen |
what about Sass? |
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jcamins |
tcohen: also supposed to be good, but I liked LESS better. :P |
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tcohen |
they have a sexy gal on their front page |
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jcamins |
lol |
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tcohen |
:-P |
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jcamins |
But it's written in Ruby. |
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rangi |
anyone got some time? |
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rangi |
bug 4173 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4173 normal, P3, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Statuses not appearing in the OPAC |
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rangi |
a new developer has submitted a patch there |
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rangi |
http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]g.cgi?id=4173#c26 |
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huginn |
Bug 4173: normal, P3, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Statuses not appearing in the OPAC |
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rangi |
could some one help them with a bit nicer instructions |
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rangi |
if not I will in a couple of hours |
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cait |
bit nicer? |
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rangi |
when im at my desk |
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rangi |
http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]g.cgi?id=4173#c27 |
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huginn |
Bug 4173: normal, P3, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Statuses not appearing in the OPAC |
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cait |
oh i see |
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cait |
*sigh* |
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rangi |
at bit more freindly/explaining |
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cait |
i will try |
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cait |
but working on something else right now and it's getting late :( |
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rangi |
its a bit mean, but im sure fridolyn doesnt mean it to be |
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cait |
nope i don't think he did |
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pianohacker |
hey rangi |
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magnuse |
packages++ |
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rangi |
heya pianohacker good to see you again |
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* rangi |
will talk more after hes taken kids to school and gone to work |
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rangi |
magnuse: did you see http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]en_Debian_Squeeze |
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magnuse |
in spanish? cool! |
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rangi |
the start of it it anyway |
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rangi |
https://www.google.co.nz/searc[…]oha-community.org <-- getting there without killing my linode |
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rangi |
and now im gone for a bit |
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cait |
hnm don't we have a page on aobut how to file bugs? |
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magnuse |
whut?? i upgraded my 3.12 test install to the latest squeeze-dev package, and now all the "norwegian wovels" display wrong?? |
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magnuse |
http://demo.test312.bibkat.no/ |
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cait |
oh ouch? |
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tcohen |
doesn't squeeze-dev differ from 3.12? |
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cait |
I didn't see that happen on our installation, but we are beta3 i think |
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jcamins |
magnuse: that's 3.14. |
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magnuse |
the about page says 3.11.00.300 |
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tcohen |
yes, they share the DB version number |
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magnuse |
um, that might be a tad confusing? ;-) |
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magnuse |
so to get beta3, i have to... find a package jcamins uloaded somewhere? |
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tcohen |
http://download.koha-community.org |
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magnuse |
koha-common_3.12.00-rc1_all.deb ? |
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tcohen |
BTW, I proposed to change the packages naming to avoid this situation, vote for it :-P |
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magnuse |
tcohen: i will, i think :-) |
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cait |
magnuse: that looks right |
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* magnuse |
should not let himself get in arrears with the lists |
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magnuse |
jcamins++ |
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magnuse |
that looks much better, yes |
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* magnuse |
breathes a sigh of relief... |
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magnuse |
koha-translate++ very convenient! |
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jcamins |
magnuse: I recommend the RC. |
| 20:29 |
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jcamins |
magnuse: they won't share a version after the 3.12 release. |
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magnuse |
jcamins: good :-) |
| 20:29 |
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magnuse |
rc is now installed |
| 20:31 |
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magnuse |
found a problem, perhaps: when i use the norwegian translation in the staff client and try to add a patron category, nothing happens when i click on "save". firebug tells me "ReferenceError: Check is not defined". works as normal when i switch to english |
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magnuse |
no missing js files, as far as i can see |
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jcamins |
magnuse: is it new? |
| 20:33 |
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magnuse |
what, the error? |
| 20:33 |
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jcamins |
Right. |
| 20:33 |
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magnuse |
i have not seen it before |
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jcamins |
Okay, probably a result of that patch I just pushed. |
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magnuse |
which one would that be? |
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jcamins |
I don't remember. |
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jcamins |
I just pushed it, though. |
| 20:38 |
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jcamins |
Bug 6329. |
| 20:38 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6329 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , patron categories should show which fields are required |
| 20:38 |
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magnuse |
ah, sounds plausible |
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* magnuse |
wonders if cait tested that with the german translation |
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magnuse |
oops, gotta run, have fun #koha |
| 20:45 |
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cait |
acutally i did |
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cait |
actually... |
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cait |
magnuse: did you ctrl reload or something? |
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cait |
it worked for me, i got the error messages and it looked fine with german |
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jcamins |
cait: did you update your translations? |
| 20:46 |
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cait |
yes |
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cait |
i think so |
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jcamins |
I mean, po files. |
| 20:46 |
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cait |
i wanted to know if the messages would get translated |
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cait |
let me recheck |
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jcamins |
Because it occurs to me that if you had the 3.12 po files and magnuse had only the included po files (from 3.10), it might end up weird. |
| 20:47 |
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cait |
i copied over the completed german files |
| 20:47 |
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cait |
but let me test |
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magnuse |
um, forget it |
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wahanui |
magnuse: I forgot it |
| 20:48 |
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jcamins |
That was my suspicion. |
| 20:48 |
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magnuse |
i had the 3.10 files |
| 20:48 |
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magnuse |
but then i got the 3.12 ones from pootle |
| 20:48 |
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magnuse |
and now it works for norwegian too |
| 20:48 |
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magnuse |
gah |
| 20:48 |
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magnuse |
i thought i tested that and got the same error |
| 20:48 |
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magnuse |
perhaps i did not reload properly |
| 20:48 |
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jcamins |
magnuse: yeah, I don't have a pull request for 3.12 yet. The release will have the translations. |
| 20:49 |
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magnuse |
sure, no problem |
| 20:49 |
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cait |
druthb said something about saturday morning earlier on |
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magnuse |
i'm being stupid again |
| 20:49 |
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cait |
it's getting late |
| 20:49 |
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magnuse |
it is! |
| 20:49 |
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jcamins |
Hm, maybe I should ask the TM to do up a pull request now, and release another RC, then a final pull request on Saturday/ |
| 20:49 |
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jcamins |
Sunday. |
| 20:50 |
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magnuse |
sounds like a good plan to me |
| 20:50 |
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magnuse |
unless it's a lot of work for you or druthb_away |
| 20:50 |
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jcamins |
I think the pull requests are pretty easy. |
| 20:50 |
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jcamins |
Not sure. |
| 20:51 |
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* cait |
confirms that adding a patron form the german interface is no problem |
| 20:52 |
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magnuse |
cait: the problem was with adding a new patron category... |
| 20:52 |
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* magnuse |
really is off now |
| 20:53 |
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* jcamins |
gazes blearily at this poster. |
| 20:54 |
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cait |
right... and that's what i tested... it's getting late! |
| 20:55 |
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* jcamins |
calls it a day. |
| 20:59 |
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tcohen |
hi rangi, bgkriegel |
| 20:59 |
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bgkriegel |
hi tcohen |
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rangi |
hi there :) |
| 21:05 |
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bgkriegel |
hi rangi |
| 21:05 |
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pianohacker |
yo |
| 21:09 |
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tcohen |
hi rangi, we could connect through talk maybe? |
| 21:09 |
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rangi |
here is better :) |
| 21:09 |
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rangi |
then others can read the log too |
| 21:09 |
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rangi |
i just have to grab a coffee then we can start |
| 21:11 |
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pianohacker |
coffee++ |
| 21:11 |
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wizzyrea |
pianohacker! |
| 21:11 |
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wahanui |
well, pianohacker is younger, I think. |
| 21:11 |
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tcohen |
hmm, ceylon here |
| 21:11 |
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tcohen |
(too much coffee at work time today) |
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pianohacker |
hey wizzy :) how are you doing? |
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wizzyrea |
i'm well! |
| 21:12 |
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tcohen |
is Chris Hall around? |
| 21:12 |
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wizzyrea |
and you? |
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pianohacker |
see, given the crazy schedules we all keep, ... |
| 21:12 |
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wizzyrea |
not yet tcohen |
| 21:12 |
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pianohacker |
@karma coffee |
| 21:12 |
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huginn |
pianohacker: Karma for "coffee" has been increased 5 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 4. |
| 21:12 |
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rangi |
right, ready to go? |
| 21:12 |
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pianohacker |
is too low |
| 21:12 |
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rangi |
not yet |
| 21:13 |
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bgkriegel |
yes |
| 21:13 |
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pianohacker |
wizzyrea: fantastic, just started work with bywater, and have surgery for auditory implant on monday |
| 21:13 |
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wizzyrea |
! minor surgery I hope |
| 21:14 |
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pianohacker |
elective; I've been pretty deaf in my right ear for a decade, and this is to put in a bone-implanted hearing aid that will bring it back |
| 21:14 |
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tcohen |
ready to go rangi |
| 21:14 |
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rangi |
ok, so here's how i do it |
| 21:14 |
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pianohacker |
it's outpatient, I'll just look like I fought a very small bear for a few weeks |
| 21:14 |
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rangi |
http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ha.git;a=shortlog |
| 21:15 |
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rangi |
normally i watch that url |
| 21:15 |
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rangi |
(master) |
| 21:15 |
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rangi |
but now since we are close to 3.12 i have been watching |
| 21:15 |
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rangi |
http://git.koha-community.org/[…]refs/heads/3.12.x |
| 21:15 |
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rangi |
heres the 2 branches i look after |
| 21:15 |
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rangi |
http://git.koha-community.org/[…]refs/heads/3.10.x |
| 21:15 |
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rangi |
http://git.koha-community.org/[…]=refs/heads/3.8.x |
| 21:16 |
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rangi |
now if you look at the 3.10.x you will see near the top is bug 9679 |
| 21:16 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9679 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , can't place hold from cart in CCSR |
| 21:16 |
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rangi |
and if you look here |
| 21:16 |
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rangi |
http://git.koha-community.org/[…]refs/heads/3.12.x |
| 21:16 |
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rangi |
and find 9679 |
| 21:16 |
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rangi |
that is where i am up to in the queue |
| 21:17 |
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rangi |
(ive let it build up a few days so I have something to show you) |
| 21:17 |
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bgkriegel |
ok :) |
| 21:17 |
|
rangi |
so essentially you have to watch the branch ahead of you |
| 21:17 |
|
rangi |
ie, 3.12.x watches master, 3.10.x watches 3.12.x |
| 21:17 |
|
rangi |
etc |
| 21:18 |
|
rangi |
so the next bug in my queue is bug 10134 |
| 21:18 |
|
huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10134 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtj, Pushed to Master , set XSLT usage ON as default, for new Koha installs |
| 21:18 |
|
rangi |
so i pull that up in bugzilla and have a quick read |
| 21:18 |
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| 21:19 |
|
rangi |
now in my opinion that is not a change we should put in a stable branch |
| 21:19 |
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cait |
i am almost certain bug 10043 is a duplicate, but I can't find it. grr. |
| 21:19 |
|
huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10043 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, amit.gupta, Needs Signoff , Clear notforloan on receipt |
| 21:19 |
|
rangi |
so i would not cherry-pick it |
| 21:20 |
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tcohen |
it is changing a default behaviour |
| 21:20 |
|
rangi |
but what i will do, is not on the bug that im not doing that, so i remember |
| 21:20 |
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bgkriegel |
Q: not for 3.10.x if not in 3.12.x? |
| 21:20 |
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rangi |
like that |
| 21:21 |
|
rangi |
bgkriegel: yeah, thats a pretty good rule of thumb, sometimes however there is a patch for a bug that is only present in an older version |
| 21:21 |
|
gaetan_B |
bye ! |
| 21:21 |
|
rangi |
so you do need to keep an eye on the bugs list |
| 21:21 |
|
rangi |
(i have filters set up) |
| 21:21 |
|
rangi |
and skim read almost all the bug mail |
| 21:22 |
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bgkriegel |
ok |
| 21:22 |
|
rangi |
but you really only have to care about things that are either pushed to master, pushed to stable or passed qa |
| 21:22 |
|
rangi |
if they arent in one of those states, its not time for us maintainers yet :) |
| 21:22 |
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bgkriegel |
yeap :) |
| 21:22 |
|
rangi |
http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]g.cgi?id=10134#c6 |
| 21:22 |
|
huginn |
Bug 10134: normal, P5 - low, ---, mtj, Pushed to Master , set XSLT usage ON as default, for new Koha installs |
| 21:23 |
|
rangi |
so i did a comment like that |
| 21:23 |
|
rangi |
and then i just move on |
| 21:23 |
|
rangi |
bug 10225 |
| 21:23 |
|
huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10225 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , If an item isn't editable, don't show the onclick Edit/Delete menu |
| 21:23 |
|
rangi |
what do you reckon about that one? |
| 21:23 |
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tcohen |
QAed |
| 21:24 |
|
rangi |
it reads to me like its something we should fix in stable |
| 21:25 |
|
tcohen |
yes |
| 21:25 |
|
bgkriegel |
yes |
| 21:25 |
|
cait |
QAM agrees |
| 21:25 |
|
cait |
;) |
| 21:25 |
|
rangi |
so the first thing i would do is check it applys |
| 21:25 |
|
rangi |
so i check out my 3.10.x branch |
| 21:26 |
|
tcohen |
teacher, do we have some feed to follow for the latest commits? (:-P) |
| 21:26 |
|
rangi |
fetch and merge |
| 21:26 |
|
rangi |
yep |
| 21:26 |
|
rangi |
http://git.koha-community.org/[…]refs/heads/3.12.x |
| 21:26 |
|
rangi |
scroll to the bottom |
| 21:26 |
|
rangi |
there are links for atom and rss feeds |
| 21:26 |
|
tcohen |
excelent |
| 21:27 |
|
tcohen |
is git bz the right tool for fetching and merging? |
| 21:27 |
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rangi |
i cherry-pick |
| 21:27 |
|
rangi |
so i look here |
| 21:27 |
|
rangi |
http://git.koha-community.org/[…]705a5db9b11ad7672 |
| 21:28 |
|
rangi |
then i do |
| 21:28 |
|
rangi |
git cherry-pick -x 1a8db0ba7d62a70cd6b49ee705a5db9b11ad7672 |
| 21:28 |
|
rangi |
it doesnt apply clean |
| 21:28 |
|
* wizzyrea |
googles -x |
| 21:28 |
|
rangi |
error: could not apply 1a8db0b... Bug 10225 - If an item isn't editable, don't show the onclick Edit/Delete menu |
| 21:28 |
|
huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10225 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , If an item isn't editable, don't show the onclick Edit/Delete menu |
| 21:28 |
|
rangi |
hint: after resolving the conflicts, mark the corrected paths |
| 21:29 |
|
pastebot |
"rangi" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "index 46d99b5,1043965..0000000" (24 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/11 |
| 21:30 |
|
rangi |
now i think i could fix this |
| 21:30 |
|
rangi |
so i look at http://git.koha-community.org/[…]8ddcc71ddc37cc12e |
| 21:30 |
|
rangi |
(with git show usually) |
| 21:30 |
|
rangi |
to see what the original commmit did |
| 21:30 |
|
rangi |
and check that what i think the fix would be is right |
| 21:31 |
|
rangi |
and then i would fix this |
| 21:31 |
|
rangi |
because its a very simple conflict |
| 21:31 |
|
rangi |
but if i was unsure at all |
| 21:31 |
|
rangi |
i would write on teh bug |
| 21:31 |
|
rangi |
'This does not apply cleanly to 3.10.x please submit one formatted for 3.10.x' |
| 21:32 |
|
rangi |
so ill fix this |
| 21:33 |
|
rangi |
edit |
| 21:33 |
|
rangi |
git add file |
| 21:33 |
|
rangi |
git commit |
| 21:33 |
|
rangi |
this adds 2 lines to the commit message |
| 21:33 |
|
rangi |
(cherry picked from commit 1a8db0ba7d62a70cd6b49ee705a5db9b11ad7672) |
| 21:33 |
|
rangi |
Conflicts: koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/cataloguing/additem.tt |
| 21:33 |
|
rangi |
which helps if we ever have to track anything down to with this |
| 21:34 |
|
rangi |
now i get to test, i have to test a bit more cos i fixed a conflict |
| 21:34 |
|
rangi |
id start with a prove t |
| 21:34 |
|
rangi |
just cos thats habbit |
| 21:35 |
|
rangi |
but for this change not needed, we dont change any perl, just a template |
| 21:35 |
|
rangi |
for this i want to run some xt tests |
| 21:35 |
|
rangi |
perl xt/tt_valid.t |
| 21:36 |
|
rangi |
perl xt/author/valid_templates.t |
| 21:36 |
|
rangi |
then ill test it on a running koha |
| 21:36 |
|
* rangi |
quickly does that |
| 21:36 |
|
rangi |
it has a good test plan so thats easy |
| 21:37 |
|
rangi |
and luckily i have more than one branch set up :) |
| 21:37 |
|
rangi |
right its working for me |
| 21:37 |
|
rangi |
i also know that katrin and jared and nicole have all tested this too |
| 21:38 |
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| 21:38 |
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rangi |
so im pretty confident, im more testing i didnt mess up in my conflict fix |
| 21:38 |
|
rangi |
so im happy |
| 21:38 |
|
rangi |
im gonna push this |
| 21:38 |
|
rangi |
so i sign off |
| 21:38 |
|
rangi |
git commit --amend -s |
| 21:38 |
|
* cait |
watches them all scribbling down notes |
| 21:38 |
|
martian523 |
hi, it took me a long time to log in to this chatrrom |
| 21:38 |
|
rangi |
then i run |
| 21:39 |
|
martian523 |
i kept getting this message : Closing Link: ircip4.mibbit.com (Banned) |
| 21:39 |
|
cait |
hi martian523 |
| 21:39 |
|
rangi |
git push gitmaster git.koha-community.org:koha.git 3.10.x |
| 21:39 |
|
rangi |
and its now pushed up |
| 21:39 |
|
rangi |
and jenkins will start testing it |
| 21:39 |
|
wizzyrea |
mibbit and oftc must be having a disagreement |
| 21:40 |
|
rangi |
technically we should be in string freeze and that was a template change, but i havent called string freeze yet, will do later today :) |
| 21:40 |
|
rangi |
now, what do you think .. shall i also cherry pick this down to 3.8.x ? |
| 21:40 |
|
* rangi |
hopes i havent totally confusd people |
| 21:41 |
|
martian523 |
anyways, i want to ask if there's a way for koha to get marc field 245 and marc field 880 to show up when sending out notices to patrons |
| 21:41 |
|
bag |
I like cherries :P |
| 21:41 |
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cait |
martian523: 245$a should show - but not the 880 |
| 21:41 |
|
wizzyrea |
https://webchat.oftc.net/ |
| 21:41 |
|
* rangi |
pauses |
| 21:42 |
|
cait |
martian523: notices are build using the information from items, bilbio and biblioitems, there is no access to the marc currently and you can't really map 880 |
| 21:42 |
|
rangi |
bgkriegel: tcohen ... did i lose you? |
| 21:42 |
|
bgkriegel |
i'll try, is small change |
| 21:42 |
|
bgkriegel |
no rangi :) |
| 21:42 |
|
bgkriegel |
thinking |
| 21:42 |
|
tcohen |
i think we need to check the bug is present in 3.8 |
| 21:43 |
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martian523 |
i see. so there's really no way to show the original characters unless i move them to 245 |
| 21:43 |
|
cait |
which one are you looking at? |
| 21:43 |
|
rangi |
yep, thats the first thing to chceck |
| 21:43 |
|
cait |
martian523: i think right now that is true |
| 21:43 |
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tcohen |
because it might have side effects of course |
| 21:43 |
|
cait |
martian523: well for notices, 880 will show on detail pages and result lists wth xslt turned on |
| 21:44 |
|
rangi |
this one is pretty safe, but yes in general that is a good rule |
| 21:44 |
|
* tcohen |
agrees |
| 21:45 |
|
tcohen |
we'll be very carefull because there are some bits we might not be familiar with (yet) |
| 21:45 |
|
rangi |
so i think we should cherry-pick this back |
| 21:45 |
|
martian523 |
thanks |
| 21:45 |
|
rangi |
so what i will do is checkout 3.8.x |
| 21:45 |
|
martian523 |
so is there something wrong with the irc chat link? |
| 21:46 |
|
rangi |
make sure its up to day |
| 21:46 |
|
rangi |
date even |
| 21:46 |
|
rangi |
then cherry-pick the commit i just made (ie the one we have already fixed the conflict in) |
| 21:46 |
|
cait |
martian523: i would think maybe too many users from mibbit or oftc blocking mibbit for some reason - wrong only because it's mibbit. if you install an irc client it's probably working better |
| 21:47 |
|
rangi |
it applies clean (cos i fixed it already) |
| 21:47 |
|
rangi |
test again |
| 21:47 |
|
martian523 |
ok, thanks! |
| 21:47 |
|
tcohen |
you cherry pick from 3.10 rangi? |
| 21:47 |
|
wizzyrea |
or use that link I just posted |
| 21:47 |
|
wizzyrea |
webchat.oftc.net |
| 21:47 |
|
rangi |
exactly |
| 21:47 |
|
rangi |
git cherry-pick -x 0394a8f8ce88b6883cd2a14d57971713f98be346 |
| 21:48 |
|
rangi |
otherwise we would get the same conflict and have to fix it again |
| 21:48 |
|
rangi |
right thats working |
| 21:48 |
|
rangi |
so i can push that up to 3.8.x |
| 21:49 |
|
rangi |
git push gitmastergit.koha-community.org:koha.git 3.8.x |
| 21:49 |
|
rangi |
and i update the bug |
| 21:49 |
|
rangi |
switching it to pushed to stable |
| 21:49 |
|
rangi |
and a comment |
| 21:49 |
|
wahanui |
a comment is enough? |
| 21:50 |
|
rangi |
http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]g.cgi?id=10225#c5 |
| 21:50 |
|
huginn |
Bug 10225: normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , If an item isn't editable, don't show the onclick Edit/Delete menu |
| 21:50 |
|
rangi |
so youd be |
| 21:50 |
|
rangi |
pushed to 3.12.x will be in 3.12.1 |
| 21:50 |
|
rangi |
and then the next one pushed to 3.10.x will be in 3.10.7 etc |
| 21:51 |
|
rangi |
(im just doing 2 branches at once) |
| 21:51 |
|
tcohen |
don't we need more "Pushed to" flags? |
| 21:51 |
|
tcohen |
(now that we are separate individuals pushing to stable branches) |
| 21:51 |
|
rangi |
not really |
| 21:51 |
|
rangi |
we had separate when jared was rmaint with me |
| 21:52 |
|
rangi |
basically rm maint 3.12.x watches for pushed for master |
| 21:52 |
|
rangi |
3.10.x watches for pushed to stable |
| 21:52 |
|
rangi |
3.8.x just looks for any that have a "Pushed to 3.10.x" comment |
| 21:53 |
|
rangi |
but mostly |
| 21:53 |
|
rangi |
i just watch the commits |
| 21:53 |
|
rangi |
and only look for things like this |
| 21:53 |
|
rangi |
bug 7228 |
| 21:53 |
|
huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7228 major, P5 - low, ---, christophe.croullebois, Pushed to Stable , can't order more than 1 when importing all from staged file |
| 21:54 |
|
rangi |
http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]g.cgi?id=7228#c19 |
| 21:54 |
|
huginn |
Bug 7228: major, P5 - low, ---, christophe.croullebois, Pushed to Stable , can't order more than 1 when importing all from staged file |
| 21:54 |
|
rangi |
thats a good example of one with a conflict i didnt want to fix myself |
| 21:54 |
|
jenkins_koha |
Starting build #121 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 21:54 |
|
* rangi |
hopes this is useful |
| 21:55 |
|
rangi |
when we get closer to your first release i can show you how to create the release notes and roll the tarball etc |
| 21:55 |
|
rangi |
but i think this is enough for now? |
| 21:55 |
|
cait |
tcohen++ bgkriegel++ cjh++ :) |
| 21:55 |
|
rangi |
what i need from all 3 rmaints |
| 21:55 |
|
cjh |
I find it really helpful when it says "pushed to 3.12.x will be in 3.12.1", especially later when I go digging :) |
| 21:55 |
|
rangi |
is your ssh keys |
| 21:55 |
|
cait |
same here :) |
| 21:56 |
|
rangi |
so i can add you to being able to push to your branches |
| 21:56 |
|
rangi |
so if you can email me your public key |
| 21:56 |
|
rangi |
that you want to use |
| 21:56 |
|
rangi |
ill add that |
| 21:56 |
|
cjh |
are we allowed to have multiple public keys? |
| 21:57 |
|
rangi |
id rather you didnt :) |
| 21:57 |
|
rangi |
you can, but its just a bit messier to set up |
| 21:57 |
|
rangi |
it might be worth making one |
| 21:57 |
|
rangi |
just for this |
| 21:57 |
|
cjh |
I will just make one for rmaint and share it across machines :) |
| 21:57 |
|
cjh |
yeah. |
| 21:57 |
|
tcohen |
chrisbigballofwax |
| 21:57 |
|
tcohen |
? |
| 21:58 |
|
cjh |
so we are sworn into office when 3.12 is released? |
| 21:58 |
|
rangi |
yep |
| 21:59 |
|
rangi |
you take over the very next day! |
| 21:59 |
|
rangi |
hehe |
| 21:59 |
|
cjh |
*gulp* |
| 21:59 |
|
rangi |
basically 3.10.6 and 3.8.13 |
| 21:59 |
|
rangi |
come out on 22 may |
| 21:59 |
|
rangi |
and thats when im stopping |
| 21:59 |
|
cjh |
wow 3.8.13, that is a big number |
| 21:59 |
|
cait |
but you got 1 month then to figure it all out :) |
| 21:59 |
|
rangi |
13 releases ;) |
| 22:00 |
|
rangi |
its got probably 5 more |
| 22:00 |
|
rangi |
to hit its 18 month mark |
| 22:00 |
|
rangi |
i think 18 months is a good life for a stable branch |
| 22:00 |
|
cait |
so we are going to have 3 releases in maintenance? wow |
| 22:00 |
|
cjh |
sounds good to me |
| 22:00 |
|
rangi |
we had 3 this time |
| 22:00 |
|
rangi |
3.6. had a couple of releases |
| 22:00 |
|
rangi |
its hit its 18 months tho and is dead |
| 22:00 |
|
cait |
true |
| 22:01 |
|
cjh |
I think it is very cool having multiple stable branches supported, takes a bit of pressure off around upgrading. |
| 22:01 |
|
cait |
time to get off that koha |
| 22:01 |
|
rangi |
yup |
| 22:01 |
|
rangi |
got your key thanks tcohen |
| 22:01 |
|
rangi |
ill set that up tonight |
| 22:01 |
|
rangi |
nz time |
| 22:02 |
|
rangi |
you can practice on local branches of course |
| 22:02 |
|
rangi |
if you want |
| 22:02 |
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bgkriegel |
of course |
| 22:03 |
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tcohen |
ok rangi, i'll be practicing a bit |
| 22:03 |
|
* cjh |
goes to read over rangi's notes |
| 22:04 |
|
eythian |
hi |
| 22:04 |
|
cjh |
morning eythian |
| 22:04 |
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cait |
hi eythian |
| 22:04 |
|
cait |
bye all :) |
| 22:04 |
|
eythian |
bye cait |
| 22:04 |
|
cjh |
bye :) |
| 22:05 |
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| 22:05 |
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tcohen |
rangi: i guess we'll stick to the current schedule for the releases |
| 22:06 |
|
tcohen |
what about release-tools git repo? |
| 22:06 |
|
rangi |
yeah thats what i use to do the release |
| 22:06 |
|
tcohen |
is it of any use for rmaint? or just for gmcharlt ? |
| 22:06 |
|
rangi |
to do the creating the tarballs and release notes |
| 22:07 |
|
rangi |
but i can show you that closer to the release if you want |
| 22:07 |
|
rangi |
tcohen: yeah 15th for string feeze 22nd for release |
| 22:07 |
|
tcohen |
of course rangi |
| 22:07 |
|
rangi |
ive been doing it nz time, you can do it argentinian time :) |
| 22:07 |
|
rangi |
its easier that way |
| 22:08 |
|
cjh |
heh |
| 22:08 |
|
bgkriegel |
hehe |
| 22:08 |
|
tcohen |
have a few more questions |
| 22:08 |
|
tcohen |
what do u think of security releases? |
| 22:08 |
|
cjh |
the more questions you ask, the less I have to :) |
| 22:08 |
|
rangi |
ah yep ive done one or 2 of those |
| 22:08 |
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tcohen |
as rmaint you'd hurry to get a new version out, right? |
| 22:08 |
|
rangi |
yep |
| 22:09 |
|
tcohen |
the other question regards the rmaint infrastructure |
| 22:09 |
|
tcohen |
should we test packaging stuff? |
| 22:09 |
|
tcohen |
leave it to eythian? |
| 22:09 |
|
rangi |
tcohen: if its something that needs a release asap release it asap |
| 22:09 |
|
rangi |
i test it |
| 22:10 |
|
tcohen |
also: that debian thing :-D |
| 22:10 |
|
rangi |
however its usually fine, if its been pushed to master |
| 22:10 |
|
tcohen |
should we stick to debian squeeze VPS for the testing phase? |
| 22:10 |
|
rangi |
well wheezy is out |
| 22:10 |
|
rangi |
so will be moving the packages to that i would imagine |
| 22:11 |
|
rangi |
but for now squeeze is still a cood one |
| 22:11 |
|
tcohen |
I mostly use 12.04 and faced troubles with perl 5.14 vs 5.10 in jenkins |
| 22:11 |
|
rangi |
yep |
| 22:11 |
|
rangi |
jenkins will upgrade at some point i imagine, (its a biblibre machine so I would have to check with them) |
| 22:12 |
|
rangi |
5.10 is still currently our base |
| 22:12 |
|
jcamins |
I've been RMing on 12.04, but I do some testing on Squeeze. |
| 22:12 |
|
rangi |
for 3.10.x and 3.8.x .. jcamins 5.10 for 3.12.x too eh? |
| 22:12 |
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eythian |
tcohen: packages don't yet cleanly work on wheezy, I hope to get that sorted soon. |
| 22:12 |
|
rangi |
as in, everything should work in 5.10 up |
| 22:13 |
|
jcamins |
Right. |
| 22:13 |
|
rangi |
id imaging 3.14 would go to 5.14 |
| 22:14 |
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tcohen |
we should have RMaint guidelines in the wiki |
| 22:14 |
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cjh |
tcohen++ |
| 22:14 |
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rangi |
well you can pretty much do it however you want |
| 22:14 |
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rangi |
if you are crazy enough to want to be rmaint or rm |
| 22:15 |
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rangi |
you get to choose your workflow |
| 22:15 |
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jcamins |
^^ exactly |
| 22:15 |
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rangi |
but writing up some best practices wouldnt hurt |
| 22:15 |
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rangi |
or things people find useful |
| 22:15 |
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jcamins |
I think it'd be a great idea. |
| 22:15 |
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bgkriegel |
there is a little about cherry-pick (http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_Git_Cherry_Pick) |
| 22:15 |
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jcamins |
All my documentation -- I think -- is in release-tools the release-tools repo on git.k-c.org and my home-bin repo on git.cpbibliography.com. |
| 22:16 |
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tcohen |
I think people doing RM and RMaint should have a blog where they share their thoughts on the subject :-P |
| 22:16 |
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rangi |
mine is in this log |
| 22:16 |
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rangi |
i used to |
| 22:16 |
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tcohen |
:-P |
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* jcamins |
thinks that's a great idea. Go for it! |
| 22:16 |
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rangi |
but i just use my own blog now |
| 22:17 |
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tcohen |
ok rangi, jcamins: i'm happy to do this |
| 22:17 |
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rangi |
http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz[…]-release-process/ |
| 22:17 |
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rangi |
and |
| 22:17 |
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rangi |
http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz[…]no-not-like-that/ |
| 22:17 |
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rangi |
etc |
| 22:17 |
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tcohen |
i hope it lasts :-D |
| 22:19 |
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rangi |
also |
| 22:19 |
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rangi |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gEy2FJ_AiA |
| 22:20 |
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rangi |
and this is a good one for testing |
| 22:20 |
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rangi |
http://grooveshark.com/#!/play[…]ir+Money/57969319 |
| 22:21 |
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tcohen |
guess will start with that, until we get our own lists |
| 22:21 |
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rangi |
heh |
| 22:22 |
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tcohen |
last question (sorry) |
| 22:22 |
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tcohen |
git push gitmastergit.koha-community.org:koha.git 3.10.x |
| 22:22 |
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tcohen |
this pushes the current (local) branch into the remote's 3.10.x ? |
| 22:22 |
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jcamins |
No. |
| 22:22 |
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jcamins |
That pushes the local branch 3.10.x to whatever is mapped to on the remote. |
| 22:23 |
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jcamins |
I never _ever_ use that syntax. |
| 22:23 |
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rangi |
heres one specially for you https://soundcloud.com/latinao[…]ego-en-mi-corazon |
| 22:23 |
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rangi |
however i always do :) |
| 22:23 |
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tcohen |
i use: git push github 3.10.x:3.10.x |
| 22:23 |
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jcamins |
^^ that's what I use. |
| 22:24 |
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tcohen |
so its a matter of confidence on the implicit stuff |
| 22:24 |
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jcamins |
Right. |
| 22:24 |
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cjh |
it also somewhat depends on your git settings, so be careful :) |
| 22:27 |
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tcohen |
ok, thanks rangi for the explanation, we'll be in touch for further questions |
| 22:28 |
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cjh |
hmmm 'git push repo ref' means pushing your local ref to the same named ref on the repo, so git push settings dont seem to matter \o/ |
| 22:28 |
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jcamins |
cjh: are you sure? |
| 22:29 |
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jcamins |
Oh, I know what it is. |
| 22:29 |
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cjh |
git push repo src:dst, and dst will default to src if omitted. |
| 22:29 |
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jcamins |
The reason I don't do that is because I had a 3.6/testing branch, and I couldn't push to that without the explicit name. |
| 22:29 |
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tcohen |
yes, my example also contained some stuff implicit |
| 22:30 |
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tcohen |
(both the remote and local branches where called the same) |
| 22:30 |
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cjh |
I was worried about git.push.default settings, but since you are specifying a ref it isnt dangerous :) |
| 22:30 |
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cjh |
jcamins: yeah if you have a local ref of the same name as the foreign but they contain different things, it could be bad. |
| 22:31 |
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cjh |
although if it isnt a clean fast forward it *should* be rejected :) |
| 22:31 |
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jcamins |
And it is. |
| 22:31 |
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cjh |
rangi: I presume we dont have rewrite permissions? |
| 22:31 |
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jcamins |
The problem is when your local testing branch contains things that you are eventually going to decide you don't want to push. |
| 22:31 |
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cjh |
yeah, that could be problematic :) |
| 22:32 |
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tcohen |
oh, that workflow i'm not used to |
| 22:32 |
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tcohen |
putting several patches together in a branch before pushing |
| 22:32 |
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rangi |
cjh: no, no -f |
| 22:32 |
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cjh |
awesome. |
| 22:32 |
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wahanui |
That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, cjh |
| 22:33 |
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tcohen |
ok, bye #koha, leaving |
| 22:34 |
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bgkriegel |
rangi: thank you very much. Now we need to practice a lot :) |
| 22:34 |
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rangi |
:) |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_3.10.x build #121: SUCCESS in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_3.10.x/121/ |
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jenkins_koha |
Owen Leonard: Bug 10225 - If an item isn't editable, don't show the onclick Edit/Delete menu |
| 22:35 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10225 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , If an item isn't editable, don't show the onclick Edit/Delete menu |
| 22:35 |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build #316 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 22:35 |
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cjh |
if you want to practise with remotes you could make a fake github upstream |
| 22:36 |
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bgkriegel |
yeap, i'll try with that first |
| 22:37 |
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bgkriegel |
ok, to the kitchen. I have to make dinner :) |
| 22:37 |
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bgkriegel |
Bye all |
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pianohac1er |
I'm done for the day, good night all |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_3.8.x build #316: SUCCESS in 38 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/316/ |
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jenkins_koha |
* Chris Cormack: Bug 9591 : Set Library changes after viewing Holds Queue >> reserves item |
| 23:13 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Owen Leonard: Bug 10225 - If an item isn't editable, don't show the onclick Edit/Delete menu |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9591 blocker, P3, ---, chris, Pushed to Stable , Set Library changes after viewing Holds Queue >> reserves item |
| 23:13 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10225 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , If an item isn't editable, don't show the onclick Edit/Delete menu |
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| 23:32 |
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jcamins |
trea: it's not fixed by the patch that I just pushed? |
| 23:32 |
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trea |
which patch? |
| 23:32 |
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wahanui |
which patch are we talking about? |
| 23:32 |
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jcamins |
I just pushed a patch to fix the printing of tables under FF. |
| 23:33 |
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jcamins |
Bug 10108. |
| 23:33 |
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wizzyrea |
10108 |
| 23:33 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10108 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , can't print more than one page of overdues |
| 23:33 |
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wizzyrea |
it was broken as of yesterday in master |
| 23:33 |
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trea |
i haven't tested today in master to be fair |
| 23:34 |
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jcamins |
Right, but I pushed it today. |
| 23:34 |
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jcamins |
That's why I asked. |
| 23:34 |
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trea |
i suppose it's time to test again, innit. |
| 23:36 |
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jcamins |
I think you should be safe from me saying "didn't I just push a fix?" for a while now. |
| 23:36 |
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jcamins |
Well, other than bug 10030 which I'll look at shortly. |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10030 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Passed QA , MaxFines checks against amount, not amount outstanding |
