IRC log for #koha, 2013-01-29

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01:53 eythian @wunder wh1081
01:53 huginn eythian: Error: No such location could be found.
01:53 wizzyrea @wunder lawrence, ks
01:53 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 20.8°C (7:51 PM CST on January 28, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.66 in 1004 hPa (Steady).
01:53 wizzyrea WHAT
01:54 wizzyrea madness.
01:54 wahanui madness is manyfold - ask me for the second sign of madness.
02:11 wizzyrea second sign of madness?
02:11 wahanui second sign of madness is, like, hairs on the palms of my hands
02:11 * wizzyrea nods
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02:54 rangi[…]s-Mt-Vic-moonrise
02:57 rangi talljoy++
03:15 eythian wahanui: spell gud is <reply>Possible spellings for gud: Gd bud cud dud IUD mud gad god gum gun Gus gut guy
04:20 eythian so there's biblio.notes and biblioitems.notes. Are they actually both used ever?
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04:50 mtj eythian, yes… i think both are mapped to a marc framework subfield
04:54 mtj hmm, im wrong - only biblio.notes is mapped, to 500a
04:54 mtj marc 500a
04:55 mtj @marc 500 a
04:55 huginn mtj: General note
04:56 mtj … and item.itemnotes is mapped to 952z, too
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06:27 libsysguy anybody else seeing some slowness with gitbz attaches
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06:38 libsysguy cait!
06:38 cait good morning libsysguy :)
06:38 libsysguy morning cait
06:38 * magnuse waves
06:39 cait libsysguy: shouldn't you be sleeping?
06:39 cait morning magnuse :)
06:40 libsysguy I should…but I can't
06:40 libsysguy so I'm patching instead
06:40 libsysguy the best code is written late at night
06:40 libsysguy and I need to be delirious to be working in
06:40 magnuse hehe
06:41 libsysguy we have a request for a save and contine editing option in addbiblio
06:42 * libsysguy is trying to figure out how to do that :-/
06:47 cait oh hm
06:47 libsysguy it saves weird
06:54 magnuse and not just because what it saves is MARC? ;-)
06:54 libsysguy heh indeed, it uses CGI::scrolling_list
06:55 libsysguy why can't it just post like a well behaved fuction
07:03 cait yeah it shouldn't use that
07:04 * libsysguy is not touching that
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07:29 rangi any instances of that need to die, there is a bug for it, but id do it as a separate patch
07:29 rangi evening
07:31 cait evening
07:34 magnuse evening rangi
07:35 rangi hey magnuse
07:35 wahanui rumour has it magnuse is a Norwegian giant
07:36 magnuse moahaha
07:36 libsysguy is that the Norwegian belly laugh
07:37 magnuse yup
07:37 libsysguy libsysguy
07:37 wahanui it has been said that libsysguy is dealing with infinity when dealing with spansets
07:37 magnuse or the james bond evil villain laugh
07:37 libsysguy hah
07:37 libsysguy libsysguy?
07:37 wahanui you are dealing with infinity when dealing with spansets
07:37 libsysguy argh who changed mine
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07:39 magnuse @wunder Karasjok
07:39 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Karasjok, Norway is -12.2°C (8:37 AM CET on January 29, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -15.0°C. Windchill: -12.0°C. Pressure: 29.24 in 990 hPa (Rising).
07:40 cait @wunder Konstanz
07:40 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 3.6°C (8:35 AM CET on January 29, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: -0.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Falling).
07:40 cait aah
07:40 cait nice
07:40 cait ok :) bbl!
07:40 * Oak waves
07:40 magnuse karasjok is 26 degrees less cold than yesterday :-)
07:40 magnuse Oak
07:40 Oak magnuse
07:40 magnuse :-)
07:41 Oak :)
07:41 magnuse @wunder boo
07:41 cait hi Oak :)
07:41 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -1.0°C (8:20 AM CET on January 29, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow Grains. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 29.06 in 984 hPa (Steady).
07:41 libsysguy w00t 2 patches submitted in an hour
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07:41 Oak Guten morgen cait
07:41 magnuse libsysguy++
07:41 Oak libsysguy++
07:42 libsysguy I feel like its been awhile since I've submitted good code
07:42 libsysguy and for that I am truely sorry
07:42 magnuse libsysguy: round off with two signoffs to make it a perfect day :-)
07:42 libsysguy something about the dead of night with no distractions
07:42 libsysguy heh
07:42 rangi :)
07:42 libsysguy I can do some QAA
07:42 libsysguy we probably need that more than SO
07:42 rangi yeah thats backed up a bit
07:43 libsysguy yeah, typically the only time I really get to do it is friday
07:43 libsysguy bag is nice enough to let me have a community day :D
07:43 magnuse bag++
07:44 magnuse rangi: more food related traffic news from norway: here's 35 tons of cod liver oil blocking the road ;-)
07:44 rangi lol
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07:51 reiveune hello
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07:52 magnuse bonjour reiveune and khall
07:53 reiveune hi :)
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08:04 libsysguy I think khall just bounced
08:04 libsysguy its 3 am his time
08:04 libsysguy heck its 2 am my time
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08:22 gaetan_B hello
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08:24 kf back :)
08:29 kf and now it's deadly silent in here? :)
08:29 kf @wunder Konstanz
08:29 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 4.9°C (9:25 AM CET on January 29, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
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08:32 magnuse kf: yeah we decided to try and freak you out by prending we are not here
08:34 * kf is totally freaked out
08:40 magnuse mohahaha
08:42 drojf goof morning
08:42 drojf err
08:42 drojf good
08:42 kf morning drojf
08:43 drojf we'll see about the goof part :D
08:43 drojf hi kf
08:43 magnuse goofy morning, drojf!
08:43 drojf lol. hey magnuse
08:44 kf goofy morning is fine for me :)
08:44 kf can we have a cookie battle?
08:44 drojf is that a battle with cookies, or for cookies?
08:44 kf hm
08:44 kf with
08:45 kf although I would prefer if you did not throw your gluten free ones in my direction but normal cookies :P
08:45 drojf gluten free is harder, i'll win :D
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08:45 gaetan_B in 3.8 leaving the search field blank in the patrons module and validating the form used to return the complete list of borrowers, in 3.10 it says "no results found" is it the intended behaviour ?*
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08:55 kf1 gaetan_B: I think it's a bug
08:56 kf1 not sure it's filed yet, but we talked about it in irc some evening with liz
08:57 gaetan_B kf: ah yes it' is filed bug 9338 :)
08:57 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9338 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , 'Empty' patron search no longer returns all patrons
08:57 kf oops and it was me
08:57 gaetan_B :)
08:57 kf gaetan_B: you could give it a little nudge maybe
08:57 gaetan_B yep
09:01 magnuse kf++ for filing bugs in her sleep :-)
09:02 kf um thx?
09:04 magnuse :-)
09:10 gerundio good morning
09:12 kf morning gerundio
09:14 gerundio kf :)
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09:25 kf magnuse++
09:25 drojf there wouldn't be some kind of graphic representation available of what koha xslt files do with the controlfields? i'm mainly looking into 008 at the moment but other fields may follow
09:26 magnuse not that i know of
09:26 * drojf kicks MARC gently in the balls
09:26 kf graphic?
09:26 libsysguy only gently
09:26 kf lol
09:26 kf libsysguy: go to bed!
09:26 libsysguy I'm trying to catch you for QA
09:26 * magnuse shouts #marcmustdie at the top of his lungs
09:26 libsysguy but I do need to sleep soon
09:27 drojf kf: well, i don't know. something that is less painful than searching through all the weird constraints in the file :D
09:27 drojf i hate that field
09:27 kf drojf: you will be happy to know that result list and detail pages work differently
09:27 drojf also i wonder why there is one staff client xslt that uses like 10 subfields and the others use only 008/21
09:28 kf yep exactly that
09:28 drojf yeah i know, it's cool, right???
09:28 drojf :P
09:28 kf the code needs... lots of ....
09:28 libsysguy okay I'm at 10 for th emonth
09:28 drojf recycle bin?
09:28 drojf :D
09:28 libsysguy I think that means I can finish for tongiht
09:28 libsysguy gnight all
09:28 drojf good night libsysguy
09:30 kf drojf: yeah
09:30 magnuse and there is tons of copy-and-paste between the xslt files...
09:31 kf drojf: I had a complaint of one of our libraries for the wrong symbol showing... I tried but got so confused I ran out screaming
09:31 kf drojf: what woudl be cool would be to make it an include
09:31 kf like utils
09:31 kf we would still need 2 files, but there is no point in having all the code in there I think
09:31 kf and we coudl use the same for results and detail
09:32 magnuse includes++
09:33 magnuse xslt--
09:33 magnuse ;-)
09:34 kf xslt++
09:34 kf I like it
09:34 kf it's like with zebra
09:35 kf not its fault when we don't use it in a smart way
09:36 drojf there is a smart way to use zebra? :D
09:38 kf jcamins is on vacation, but he could tell you :)
09:38 drojf meh. so we got >0°. and to celebrate that, we got rain
09:38 kf I think most of our problems stem from
09:38 kf drojf: lol
09:38 magnuse @karma C4::Search
09:38 huginn magnuse: Karma for "C4::Search" has been increased 0 times and decreased 32 times for a total karma of -32.
09:39 drojf @karma
09:39 huginn drojf: Karma for "" has been increased 0 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of -2.
09:39 magnuse hehe, i think people tend to agree with you, kf
09:39 kf @karma
09:39 huginn kf: Karma for "" has been increased 0 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of -2.
09:39 kf ah riht, you did that :)
09:41 drojf lol
09:54 drojf hm. SRU works fine, unfortunately i am too stupid to read the data with javascript/jquery :(
09:56 magnuse process marcxml with javascript? sounds scary... ;-)
09:57 drojf i would probably take dublin core ;)
09:59 kf drojf: what are you trying to do?
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09:59 kf morning paul_p
09:59 kf paul_p: my train tickets to marseille arrived :)
10:02 paul_p hello kf.
10:02 paul_p nice about tickets to marseille ;-)
10:02 * paul_p still recovering from flu. one full week AFK...
10:03 kf oh no
10:03 pastebot "gerundio" at pasted "Update subfield 995$b / item's homebranch" (40 lines) at
10:04 gerundio I'm using that code snippet in a script to update subfield 995$b / item's homebranc
10:04 gerundio can anyone take a look and find out why it isn't working as expected?
10:05 kf gerundio: what does it do?
10:05 kf or not do :)
10:05 kf I think you want to update all items to have complete information?
10:05 gerundio it should update 995$b to the value FCT
10:06 gerundio for the records from the items table that don't have the homebranch as NULL
10:06 kf ew
10:06 kf word decided to open links in ie suddenly
10:06 kf *shudder*
10:06 gerundio 995$b is mapped to that column
10:07 gerundio ..oo(gotta love all that messed up MS integration!!)
10:07 magnuse gerundio: how *is* it working? what is it doing that you did not expect?
10:07 gerundio magnuse, it isn't doing anything
10:07 gerundio all records fall into the 1st condition
10:07 magnuse oops :-=
10:07 gerundio none of them as the 995 tag
10:07 magnuse huh :-)
10:08 gerundio so if (!$field) returns true
10:08 kf hm
10:08 kf maybe it that is true?
10:08 kf I think we only put item information to the marcxml for indexing?
10:08 gerundio as it shoudl
10:08 gerundio should ^^
10:08 kf maybe instead of using the bilbio functions you could look into items?
10:08 magnuse good point from kf
10:08 kf I mean there shoudl be routines to update item related information
10:09 gerundio but the parent field doesn't even exist in this case
10:09 gerundio I made code for all the conditions I remembered
10:09 kf not sure your script will make it go to zebraqueue too
10:09 gerundio 1 -> tag doesn't exist
10:09 kf gerundio: in the database there is no 995 in marcxml
10:09 kf never
10:10 gerundio 2 -> tag 995 exists, subfield b doesn't
10:10 gerundio 3-> subfield 995$b already exists
10:10 gerundio right, it saves as 999
10:10 gerundio is that it?
10:10 kf hm not even that
10:10 wahanui not even that is cold :)
10:10 kf that is marc_subfields_xml
10:10 kf that is only the additional fields
10:10 kf not sure I can explain that right
10:10 gerundio you mean items' more_subfields_xml
10:11 kf yep
10:11 kf there it's 999
10:11 kf but that's nothing to do with the marcxml later on
10:12 gerundio not sure I understand
10:12 gerundio what is the correct way to update this
10:13 gerundio regarding your comment on zebraqueue, by using ModBiblio I'm making sure that it will updated there, right?
10:14 kf gerundio: I am sorry, I have never written or used a script like that - I am not sure
10:14 kf for item information it might be enough to update the items table with sql and do a complete reindex
10:14 gerundio kf, thanks anyway :)
10:14 kf because items are not stored together with the bibliographic information
10:14 gerundio kf, that's what I'm avoiding
10:14 gerundio no direct SQL injection
10:15 gerundio by using Koha library methods I'm sure not to break indexes
10:19 magnuse i agree with kf - i think the only place you can edit the item info is in the db
10:20 gerundio magnuse, I've done it before in other scripts
10:20 gerundio though this is the 1st time I have to add a full field
10:21 magnuse maybe have a look at C4::Items::ModItem() ?
10:24 gerundio I have
10:25 gerundio but the field doesn't even exist in this case
10:25 gerundio I need to update 995$b but there's no 995 tag
10:25 kf if there is no 995 there is no item
10:26 kf that's what we are trying to tell you :)
10:27 gerundio that's why I add it with
10:27 gerundio $field = MARC::Field->new(
10:27 gerundio '995', '', '',
10:27 gerundio 'b' => 'FCT'
10:27 gerundio );
10:27 gerundio $record->insert_fields_ordered($field);
10:27 gerundio wait the item record exists
10:27 gerundio so, there is a item
10:28 kf why would you add the field? when there is no titem?
10:28 kf I think that is not right
10:28 kf a 995 indicates an item and I think you only want to update incomplete item records?
10:29 pastebot "gerundio" at pasted "MySQL item record with no 995$b nor homebranch set" (57 lines) at
10:30 gerundio kf, take a look at that MySQL item record
10:30 gerundio no 995$b in more_subfields_xml and homebranch is NULL
10:30 kf gerundio: I think there is a basic misunderstanding how koha works
10:30 gerundio since they are mapped to each other I wan't to set it
10:31 kf yes, you should have homebranch and holdingbranch set
10:31 kf forget about more_subfields_xml
10:31 kf item data in koha is stored in the items table.
10:31 kf for indexing, koha takes the contents of the items table and adds it to the marcxml record. for each line in items, there is one 995 field.
10:31 gerundio unless we're dealing with unmapped fields, right?
10:32 kf mappings are irrelevant
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10:36 gerundio so, replacing all that code for something like ModItem({'homebranch' => 'FCT'}, $biblionumber, $itemnumber); should be enough?
10:39 skk i am trying to set UniqueItemfields as barcode but it does not seem to work. I tried adding one accession number and then ordering new book and giving same accession number system does not give any message but keeps that item as blank
10:39 skk without any barvode
10:39 gerundio kf++ magnuse++ ModItem({'homebranch' => 'FCT'}, $biblionumber, $itemnumber); did the trick
10:41 kf skk: which version are you looking at?
10:41 kf gerundio: sorry, at work, can't always pay attention here
10:42 gerundio kf, no problem, that's IRC ;) you were of great help
10:42 drojf wow, jquery sucks. i found like 10 solutions for a problem and each stopped working in a later version.
10:42 kf ah and yes, for unmapped fields that have not their own column in the items table they end up in more_subfields_xml
10:42 kf bad at explaining probably :)
10:47 gerundio drojf, it's evolution
10:48 drojf gerundio: it's only evolution if it works now
10:48 drojf so far i don't see how
10:48 gerundio ehehe
10:49 gerundio just making a Pearl Jam song quote that fits the situation
10:49 gerundio what are you trying to do, maybe I or someone else here can help
10:50 drojf parse xml that i get from SRU. apparently it does not like namespace prefixes
10:51 drojf anyway, to the library. later. /o/
10:51 gerundio cya later, good luck with that
11:03 skk 3.8.6
11:05 kf hm I think there was a bug with that, but not sure which version
11:05 kf skk: maybe try checking bugzilla?
11:05 kf bugs?
11:05 wahanui well, bugs is found at Please fix any bugs you find. :) or reporting them is helpful, too.
11:06 skk hmm 8684 number has reported this issue
11:07 kf bug 8684
11:07 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8684 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Duplicate check for creating items on order broken
11:07 * kf has a de ja vu
11:07 kf oh right, I reported that
11:08 kf skk: you could add your version and the behavioru there - it could help getting it fixed
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11:29 kf biblibre++
11:36 magnuse yup biblibre++
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12:02 tcohen morrrning #koha
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12:20 drojf ready or not, here i come
12:22 gerundio kf do you recall telling me that I should always run the script after making changes in the Koha to MARC mapping?
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13:23 oleonard Hi #koha
13:30 drojf hi oleonard
13:31 * drojf wonders if it is fullmoon or why all the patrons talk all the time today
13:31 drojf get off my librarylawn
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14:04 drojf who of you geeks smuggled 'comic books' into 008/33:literary form for books? LOC does not have that field ;)
14:05 magnuse drojf: "git blame" will tell you :-)
14:06 drojf it may have been in an older MARC version. i found several differences between LOC and kohas XSLT file
14:09 jcamins_away drojf: it was obsoleted in 2008.
14:10 * chris_n tells jcamins_away to get back to vacation ;-)
14:10 drojf thanks for ending your holiday early to tell me this, jcamins_away. it was not that important though ;)
14:13 magnuse lol
14:15 drojf so what is our policay on MARC changes? should that in theory be up to date or do we want to retain backwards compatibility for people that catalogued their comic books pre-2008?
14:17 gerundio anyone here is familiarized with the script?
14:18 gerundio I've done Koha to MARC mapping for some items' table columns
14:19 gerundio but running the script doesn't update the items' columns values with the values stored in the XML
14:20 gerundio I've looked into the script source code and noticed that the localNEWmodbiblio function calls C4::Biblio::_koha_modify_biblio and C4::Biblio::_koha_modify_biblioitem_nonmarc
14:20 gerundio but nothing to work the updates on the data stored in the items table
14:23 gerundio the source code has some references to @items, which are processed for each biblio
14:24 gerundio but I don't see them being used anywhere
14:24 liw any Koha people going to FOSDEM?
14:45 magnuse liw: not i. are you?
14:46 liw I am
14:46 magnuse yay
14:47 magnuse been there before?
14:47 liw a few times
14:47 liw (including giving one of the keynotes last year)
14:47 magnuse cool!
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14:52 H Hey Koha ... almost there i asked to copy our koha to the production environment and afther that it will be online (test server has all the data in it now (it was a fight)) ... thx already to all tips we got in the chat room :)
14:53 drojf congratulations H
14:53 H well copy'ing can go wrong so i hope it wont ;)
14:53 magnuse H++
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15:09 oleonard jcamins_away: Do we have a template variable for just "/intranet-tmpl/" or do we hard code it?
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15:10 jcamins_away oleonard: good question!
15:10 oleonard Hm, looks like maybe "interface?"
15:10 jcamins_away [% interface %]
15:10 * oleonard is looking at
15:10 jcamins_away Yeah.
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15:22 oleonard I guess I didn't realize we were ready to start moving things to intranet-tmpl/lib. There's a fair amount of stuff that can be easily moved
15:23 libsysguy that should make it easier to be cached right?
15:23 jcamins_away libsysguy: weren't you just QAing things six hours ago?
15:23 libsysguy yes
15:23 libsysguy I was
15:23 jcamins_away oleonard: well, moving things that are already in prog/en can wait, but since it has to be done eventually, we might as well start with Bootstrap in the right place.
15:24 oleonard jcamins_away: can wait, or should wait?
15:25 jcamins_away oleonard: the former. If someone felt like starting to move things, that'd be great.
15:26 libsysguy ^^
15:28 oleonard Speaking of Bootstrap, QAing, etc: Now is a great time to remember Bug 9265!
15:28 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9265 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Switch to HTML5 doctype in OPAC and staff client
15:36 gerundio am I reading correctly, is Koha going to adopt Bootstrap soon?
15:37 oleonard gerundio: We are beginning to incorporate elements of Bootstrap
15:37 gerundio cool
15:38 gerundio I've been using it in a new internal project and I must say it's so good to be able to abstract myself from the look & feel of it
15:38 gerundio everything looks good in desktop, laptops, mobiles and tablets
15:40 oleonard gerundio: We don't have any plans at this point to convert the staff client to use the Bootstrap grid
15:40 oleonard gerundio: That would be a pretty huge undertaking
15:41 gerundio have you simply try to use bootstrap CSS to overide koha's current styles and see how it looked?
15:41 oleonard Yes. There are a fair amount of conflicts, and of course the grid system doesn't work without HTML changes.
15:42 oleonard I say conflicts meaning styles we have defined which Bootstrap defines differently.
15:43 gerundio that's standard behavior, bootstrap uses very common class names
15:43 gerundio so conflicts are to be expected
15:43 gerundio but the overall result is very messy?
15:44 oleonard Yes
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15:46 skk we imported lot of data from excel to marc 21 and then to koha. when we try to check authority records it says no results. is there any way to get these records searched by authority database as well
15:46 jcamins_away No. Authority records and bibliographic records are completely different things.
15:47 jcamins_away You would need to create authority records and load those.
15:48 skk for new books it automatically creates authority records but the old retrospective data which is already imported into koha we were wondering hw to make them available in authority database as well
15:49 jcamins_away You would need to generate authorities from the CSV file.
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15:55 oleonard Hi kf
15:57 kf hi oleonard :)
15:57 kf going through the release notes for 3.8 and 3.10
15:57 kf totally overwhelmed
15:58 kf we keep changing so many thigns!!
15:58 magnuse that's good, right?
15:58 kf hehe yeah
15:58 kf but right now I just think what I have to go though in testing and documenting
15:58 kf and that's pretty overwhelming :)
15:59 magnuse write test scripts!
15:59 magnuse and don't lag behind the versions ;-)
15:59 kf :P
15:59 magnuse i just say "here are the release notes"...
16:00 kf :)
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16:12 gerundio kf do you recall telling me that I should always run the script after making changes in the Koha to MARC mapping?
16:31 kf gerundio: I think that only applies if you do changes on biblioitems/biblio
16:31 gerundio right
16:31 kf I have never run it myself I have to say
16:32 gerundio even so, do you feel capable of helping me figure out how to enable the script to update items records too?
16:32 kf gerundio: I think youmight better ask someone else
16:33 kf I have never poked around in that code so far
16:33 gerundio kf, np, thanks anyway :)
16:33 gerundio just got a new one in :s
16:34 gerundio does field bibliosubject.subject mean anything to anyone?
16:35 oleonard gerundio: I don't think bibliosubject is used anymore
16:36 gerundio right oleonard, I found no traces of it anywhere
16:37 gerundio even so in the MARC framework editor, field 606$a was showing a reference to it
16:39 gerundio oleonard, the mistery just got solved
16:40 gerundio someone imported MARC frameworks from a 3.2 koha setup into our own 3.8 setup to use as starting point
16:40 gerundio everyday a new surprise :s
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16:50 kf bye all :)
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16:57 gerundio off-topic: for the Raspberry PI owners out there -[…]/xbmc-12-0-frodo/
17:04 rambutan gerundio: there are actually a few of us RPi owners on the board here. I've got two, my tech assistant has 1 or 2, and drojf works with them too
17:05 gerundio we've talked about it the other day
17:05 drojf rambutan: jcamins_away and magnus_away got some too :)
17:05 gerundio I think it was when drojf got his
17:06 gerundio btw, just read that Google gave a grath worth $1M to donate 15k PIs to U.K. schoolkids
17:06 gerundio
17:10 drojf that would make a cool cluster
17:15 libsysguy dang it
17:15 libsysguy I was just about to link paul_p to this:
17:16 libsysguy @later tell paul_p:
17:16 huginn libsysguy: The operation succeeded.
17:18 oleonard I think Germany if the caption is correct: http://washingtonpoststyle.tum[…]ince-alexander-of
17:19 oleonard More unsourced notes:
17:20 libsysguy damn you and your searching skills oleonard
17:27 liw we have not come to damn searching skills, we have come to praise them. /me nominates oleonard as the #koha dedicated search engine
17:27 oleonard :P
17:28 oleonard I'll commit only to searching for the details of any unsourced images referencing French stereotypes
17:28 reiveune bye
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17:28 * libsysguy accepts oleonards proposal
17:31 Dyrcona Reminds me of my childhood in Hillbillyvania.
17:31 Dyrcona Minus the royal title.... ;)
17:31 oleonard Replace that bottle with a 2-liter of Mountain Dew?
17:32 Dyrcona No, a quart of Pabtz Blue Ribbon.
17:32 oleonard That comes in quarts? :)
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17:32 alohabot Hi mib_e0nfj0, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
17:32 rambutan new bot?
17:33 oleonard Nice enhancement to alohabot
17:33 oleonard Old bot that didn't do anything before I don't think
17:33 Dyrcona It used to.
17:36 mib_e0nfj0 hi, i got a problem with koha mapping, it says "The biblio.biblionumber and biblioitems.biblioitemnumber fields be mapped to a MARC subfield" in the test,but if i continue using the default settings and using Koha version:, i can do any searches :S any sugestions?
17:36 mib_e0nfj0 cant*
17:45 mib_e0nfj0 any1?
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18:03 tcohen how do I search for a title using yaz?
18:04 tcohen (a Koha's zebra biblio DB)
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18:12 jcamins_away I have found the place to buy Bok Choy! :D
18:12 jcamins_away tcohen:[…]s_a_Z39.50_server
18:12 cait bok choy?
18:12 jcamins_away tcohen: sorry, wrong link.
18:12 cait in california? :)
18:12 jcamins_away I meant...
18:12 tcohen ah, you're on vacation!
18:12 jcamins_away tcohen:[…]ng_Zebra_indexing
18:13 cait and you are on vacation!!
18:13 jcamins_away cait: in New York.
18:13 cait oh?
18:13 jcamins_away But I had the desperate need to find out where to buy bok choi!
18:13 jcamins_away And once I had found out, I thought y'all might need to know that.
18:14 cait you are getting thta bored already? :)
18:14 jcamins_away I had an inspiration about what I wanted to serve for dinner on February 23.
18:14 druthb @quote get 232
18:14 huginn druthb: Quote #232: "<cait> oh... i miss myshkin <cait> I mean jared.. of course" (added by druthb at 06:31 PM, January 28, 2013)
18:15 * cait hides
18:15 * druthb whistles innocently
18:15 jcamins_away lol
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18:29 rangi Morning
18:29 wahanui Morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast.
18:31 rangi @wunder nzwn
18:31 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (7:00 AM NZDT on January 30, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Rising).
18:32 rangi Hehe, there's not a single cloud anywhere
18:33 rangi 5th day in a row, I don't have a wardrobe designed for this kind of weather
18:38 cait you don't have more than 5 t-shirts? :)
18:40 rangi I have about 50
18:40 rangi It's shorts I'm low on
18:40 cait aah
18:41 rangi Ok my stop
18:41 rangi Be back after wellylibfast
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18:52 alohabot Hi mib_bz9hrr, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
18:53 mib_bz9hrr hi, im looking for help on error from marc mapping
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19:02 alohabot Hi mib_y9ooho, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
19:02 mib_y9ooho hi looking for help on mapping errors
19:02 mib_y9ooho (got dc'ed a few minutes ago)
19:03 oleonard You can ask again mib_y9ooho, but I don't know if anyone new has appeared who can answer
19:03 mib_y9ooho humm ok
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19:05 mib_y9ooho i get this error in the test "The biblio.biblionumber and biblioitems.biblioitemnumber fields be mapped to a MARC subfield," after changing the the biblionumber to 001 , if i leave it to default i dont get error but i cant find anything in my DB
19:06 oleonard Why did you change it?
19:06 mib_y9ooho so, if left at default i cant search, im using Koha
19:06 mib_y9ooho cause ^
19:07 oleonard Koha to MARC mapping is not usually the cause of failed search
19:07 oleonard search faq?
19:07 wahanui search faq is
19:07 mib_y9ooho im importing the DB from DocBase btw
19:09 cait mib_y9ooho: don't change it
19:09 oleonard mib_y9ooho: I would leave your mapping as it was by default and check out the search faq
19:09 mib_y9ooho only thing i changed was this "biblionumber001@control field" so i could search for books, im looking ate the faq
19:09 oleonard 33000000072326
19:09 oleonard Heh, sorry :)
19:11 mib_y9ooho ok so i read the FAQ and didnt really help fix my problem, lets say i got everything at default, i still cant search for my books ... :/
19:12 oleonard mib_y9ooho: Zebra is running?
19:14 mib_y9ooho good question -.- im just conf. koha i didnt install it, im a student from my university and they made me config and ready koha for the library, but i didnt get to install or do any of the things before, is there any way i can check?
19:15 oleonard Do you have command-line access to the server?
19:16 mib_y9ooho erhmm nop -.- idk how they really want me to work, but if u can tell what to do ill just get them to do it
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19:16 alohabot Hi mib_pueqov, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
19:16 mib_y9ooho even if its just a little help its better then sitting in the dark :S
19:17 mib_y9ooho this command? misc/migration_tools/ -b -r -v
19:18 oleonard mib_y9ooho: That rebuilds the Zebra index if Zebra is already running
19:18 oleonard mib_y9ooho: The people who installed Koha should come back and confirm that it is installed correctly and that Zebra is running
19:18 mib_y9ooho humm ok
19:18 mib_y9ooho thanks
19:19 oleonard They built you a car with no engine mib_y9ooho :)
19:20 mib_y9ooho yeah and they making me fix it for free -.-
19:22 mib_y9ooho well thanks for been so friendly and helpfull :) ima work on a diferent part of koha till they come back tomorrow
19:27 cait oleonard++ :)
19:45 oleonard Bug 8007 introduces a python dependency. That seems odd.
19:45 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8007 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Discharge management
19:46 cait h
19:46 cait oh
19:47 cait oleonard: also peopl eare supposed to create a htaccess file?
19:47 oleonard Yeah
19:47 cait oleonard: not sur ethat the python-pisa is new tho
19:47 cait I think one of the print things uses it already
19:49 cait oleonard: but I agree it seems a bit weird
19:49 cait should be possible to replace with a perl module?
19:54 * cait goe to tidy up her kitchen
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20:19 rangi back
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20:28 rangi heh
20:29 wizzyrea that's drupal
20:31 rangi heh
20:32 wizzyrea uh
20:32 cait jcamins_away: guess you got drawn here because i am going to look at the query parser again :)
20:32 eythian hi
20:32 jcamins_away Yay!
20:32 jcamins_away I'll be leaving shortly.
20:32 eythian why thank you jcamins_away
20:34 jcamins_away Argh! I can't use this stupid catalog.
20:37 jcamins_away Maybe I'll see if they have a copy of American Gods.
20:37 jcamins_away I've never read it.
20:37 rangi ahh its a good read
20:37 jcamins_away Thankfully it's fiction so the fact that I can't tell based on the catalog doesn't matter.
20:37 rangi heh
20:39 eythian yeah, you should read it, it's good.
20:40 * jcamins_away would look to see if they had other books he wanted to read, except the catalog wouldn't help anyway.
20:42 cait jcamins_away: you could try to persuade them to move to koha :)
20:42 jcamins_away cait: hehe.
20:59 wizzyrea oh hey oleonard
20:59 wizzyrea thanks for looking and doing that bootstrap stuff
21:00 wizzyrea our student is going to be coming back on mondays (I think) to do more
21:00 wizzyrea work - what do you think is the best way to go about that?
21:00 cjh oleonard++
21:00 wizzyrea so you're not duplicating effort
21:01 cait oleonard: is there something we can help with? I would really like to see bootstrap in 3.12
21:01 cjh \o/
21:01 cait I think I will change the templates for now - make it links
21:02 cait and hope for the next version to fix it for good
21:02 cait :)
21:03 oleonard wizzyrea: The next thing I want to start tackling is replacing YUI buttons, split buttons, and menu buttons. I think that means taking it on toolbar-by-toolbar basis
21:03 wizzyrea would it be helpful if corey kind of eradicated the yui, then you can go through and style it?
21:04 rangi theres librarians without borders too
21:04 eythian oleonard: is it possible to make T::T modules for buttons, so the actual definitions are centralised?
21:04 cait oleonard: could you start in circulation maybe?
21:04 rangi its all very confusing :)
21:04 eythian rangi: wouldn't they just collapse in a jelly-like heap on the ground?
21:04 cait eythian: ?
21:04 rangi eythian: only when confronted by a publishers unreasonable demands, that seems to be the natural response
21:04 eythian if you remove the borders from a librarian, there's nothing to keep them in a people-shape.
21:05 jcamins_away lol
21:05 cait i was referring to the TT stuff :)
21:05 oleonard wizzyrea: I'm not sure what you mean by eradicating YUI... I think the only way we can do it is to do it piece by piece so nothing is broken
21:05 wizzyrea I mean, page by page, swap out the YUI for bootstrap standard buttons
21:06 wizzyrea then, much like what happened with the toolbar, clean it up and style it like koha? maybe that's not practical
21:06 eythian cait: oh, so instead of putting the HTML in for a button, you could just refer to a T::T module that does it for you. That way all buttons share common code.
21:07 oleonard wizzyrea: Yeah, I don't have any specific plan to do custom styles on the buttons at this point, just trying to get things working in Bootstrap
21:07 eythian So when we want to move to jquery-ng buttons 5 years from now, there's only one place to worry about.
21:07 cait I am not sure how bootstrap buttons work and if we win a lot with it
21:07 cait we got includes for the toolbars now and the styling is central anyway
21:07 cjh eythian: awesome idea, that way we can easily rip out bootstrap and replace with something else
21:07 cait ah
21:07 cait i see
21:07 cjh bootstrap buttons are really just css classes and ids
21:07 eythian cait: sure, but every button still has to have its code written.
21:08 cait hm if it's doable
21:08 cait don't want to overcomplicate this if possible
21:08 oleonard wizzyrea: My next step is to revive some code I did a couple months ago on a Bootstrap toolbar. Needs some heavy rebasing
21:09 wizzyrea oleonard: we can do it however makes sense
21:09 wizzyrea we just want corey to feel helpful
21:09 jcamins_away And to make good use of his time.
21:10 oleonard wizzyrea: There are a lot of examples of toolbars which aren't used on a lot of pages which could be quickly "upgraded"
21:10 oleonard wizzyrea: When will Corey return?
21:10 wizzyrea then maybe a better plan would be to declare what toolbars we are going to do
21:11 wizzyrea he's working out when he can come to Catalyst - his school term just started
21:12 wizzyrea he has afternoon study period at 2pm our time on MOndays
21:12 cjh it sounded like he may still do some work at home, but no idea on times for that.
21:12 wizzyrea and he may come in for several hours during that
21:12 wizzyrea and if we can get him set up properly, he can do work at home too if he wants
21:13 wizzyrea he's pretty enthusiastic about the project
21:13 wizzyrea :)
21:13 cjh xD
21:14 cait well done cjh++ and wizzyrea++ :)
21:16 * oleonard is not working at his normal location today and laptop is being difficult
21:17 wizzyrea gr, stinky laptop
21:18 libsysguy grr zebra indexer
21:18 libsysguy sorry, is that not what we were doing?
21:18 wizzyrea hehe
21:19 libsysguy I have a library that is running dom, and for some reason they can periodically search for barcodes
21:19 libsysguy I think there might be an issue with the fast indexer and dom
21:19 libsysguy when I do a full index it works fine
21:20 jcamins_away Fast indexer = rebuild_zebra -z?
21:20 libsysguy si
21:21 libsysguy maybe not
21:21 libsysguy it seems that to get the fast indexer to work with the barcode you must pass the -x option
21:22 jcamins_away You should never not be using the -x option.
21:22 cait libsysguy: which version are they using?
21:22 libsysguy 3.8.5
21:22 wizzyrea jcamins_away: is that documented?
21:22 jcamins_away wizzyrea: probably not.
21:23 jcamins_away Also, DOM indexing was known not to work properly prior to 3.8.7.
21:23 jcamins_away See the 3.8.7 release notes.
21:31 eythian
21:33 libsysguy reddit ^^ ?
21:35 wizzyrea I had that edition, with that pic
21:37 cait lol
21:52 drojf looks like my spontanous idea to make SRU output JSON is doomed to failure.
21:53 wizzyrea haha they named the winter storm that is about to hit Kansas "Magnus"
21:57 oleonard We're naming winter storms now?
21:57 oleonard When is it due to hit wizzyrea?
21:58 eythian hopefully it doesn't hit wizzyrea
21:58 wizzyrea I think it's hitting now
21:59 wizzyrea or imminently
21:59 oleonard @wunder 45701
21:59 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in OHDOT 31-Athens County Garage, Athens, Ohio is 20.6°C (4:31 PM EST on January 29, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1012 hPa (Falling).
21:59 wizzyrea yes, if it hits me, then climate change has gotten way out of control.
21:59 oleonard ...and snow predicted here for Thursday
22:00 oleonard Climate change is already way out of control, but I take your point wizzyrea
22:00 wizzyrea yes, true.
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22:05 cait hi kathryn
22:05 cait and good night #koha
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22:08 eythian wahanui: git guide is <reply>[…]ide/index-en.html
22:08 wahanui OK, eythian.
22:09 wizzyrea good one
22:10 wizzyrea my grandma turns 103 today
22:11 eythian that's a good effort
22:11 wizzyrea indeed!
22:11 cjh oh wow
22:12 wizzyrea well yesterday
22:12 wahanui yesterday is almost over for me, and it's been pretty awful.
22:12 wizzyrea yesterday is also all my troubles seemed so far away
22:12 wahanui okay, wizzyrea.
22:12 wizzyrea yesterday?
22:12 wahanui yesterday is probably all your troubles seemed so far away
22:27 libsysguy is the biblibra work for solr still alive?
22:28 libsysguy biblibre**
22:29 rangi its all there in master/3.10.x you can switch it on, but it needs a lot more features added to be comparable with zebra
22:29 libsysguy fair enough
22:29 rangi im waiting for jareds search rewrite to finish, with the much saner/simpler parser
22:29 rangi then ill look at
22:30 rangi solr again
22:30 rangi i guarantee ill still hate it for being a resource hungry pig, but ill look at it anyway :)
22:30 libsysguy heh well you can choke it if you'd like in the mem configs
22:31 bag isn't it a hungry moose and not pig :P
22:31 libsysguy jcamins is hiding his work on his git.cp repo
22:31 wizzyrea moose?
22:31 wahanui somebody said moose was liking dumping every tool in the world into every module
22:32 libsysguy Moose mouse moo
22:32 rangi libsysguy: still have to run a full java stack
22:32 libsysguy true, I wonder if it runes better on Oracles version
22:33 bag runes?
22:33 bag heh
22:33 libsysguy ugh
22:33 libsysguy friggin typos everywhere today
22:33 drojf either you ask the oracle or the runes. don't mix those things
22:34 libsysguy heh
22:35 libsysguy rangi is jcamins query work in the OpenILS-QueryParser branch?
22:35 rangi most of it is on bugs
22:36 libsysguy oh
22:36 libsysguy enteresting
22:38 rangi some even awaiting qa :)
22:39 libsysguy hehe
22:39 libsysguy I was doing some QAA last night
22:39 rangi i know, thanks :)
22:39 libsysguy heh np
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22:59 oleonard See ya #koha
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23:37 drojf rangi: i'm playing with the svc reports feature, but i wonder how to make it output json. any hints? i tried[…]en_down_by_branch and get  [["MED","Mediothek","19389"]]. i would have assumed something more like {"homebranch":"MED","branchnam​e":"Mediothek","items":19389}?

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