IRC log for #koha, 2013-01-25

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00:06 rangi !jenkins build koha_master now
00:06 jenkins_koha rangi: job koha_master build scheduled now
00:06 jenkins_koha Starting build #1028 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1021 1 day 22 hr ago)
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00:26 BobB Is anyone else having trouble connecting to LOC via Z3950?
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01:11 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
01:11 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1028: FIXED in 1 hr 5 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1028/
01:45 wizzyrea hm, opinion - a library is annoyed because the advance notices and the due notice both show date issued instead of date due
01:46 wizzyrea my inclination is to show both
01:46 rangi can't hurt
01:46 rangi @wunder nzwn
01:46 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 19.0°C (2:00 PM NZDT on January 25, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.48 in 1032 hPa (Falling).
01:46 rangi it looks warmer than 19 to me
01:46 Dyrcona @wunder 01844
01:46 wizzyrea it's warm but there's a bit of a chill
01:46 huginn Dyrcona: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Methuen MA US, Methuen, Massachusetts is -10.6°C (8:18 PM EST on January 24, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: -24.0°C. Windchill: -17.0°C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1021 hPa (Falling). Wind Chill Advisory in effect until 10 am EST Friday...
01:46 wizzyrea warm in the sun
01:46 wizzyrea chilly in the shade
01:47 Dyrcona Freezing in the shade. :)
01:47 wizzyrea :)
01:47 wizzyrea you win for cold weather
01:47 wizzyrea @wunder lawrence, ks
01:47 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is -3.2°C (7:45 PM CST on January 24, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: -12.0°C. Windchill: -6.0°C. Pressure: 30.25 in 1024 hPa (Rising).
01:47 wizzyrea no SO bad there
01:48 wizzyrea @wunder boo
01:48 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 0.0°C (1:50 AM CET on January 25, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady).
01:48 wizzyrea !
01:48 wizzyrea would not have guessed that one.
01:48 Dyrcona Yeah, we should move to sunny Norway. :)
01:49 wizzyrea @wunder antarctica
01:49 huginn wizzyrea: Error: No such location could be found.
01:49 eythian rangi: there's still a leftover southerly breeze blowing, cooling it slightly
01:50 wizzyrea it was downright chillish yesterday
01:50 rangi ahh right
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01:53 mtj hi all, more friday fun ->
01:56 eythian @later tell cait
01:56 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded.
02:06 wizzyrea hahaha
02:36 eythian new koha packages uploading
02:36 rangi sweet
02:41 cjh \o/
02:42 wizzyrea hey cjh
02:42 wizzyrea feelin better?
02:42 cjh wizzyrea: quite a bit actually :)
02:42 wizzyrea yusssss
02:49 wizzyrea ok regarding the duedate on notice thing - I suspect there will be squealing from the community if i just out and change it... suggestions?
02:49 wizzyrea even though my way makes a lot more sense and it's stupid the way it is now. :P
02:49 wizzyrea take that, diplomacy!
02:50 * wizzyrea plots to ply them all with ginger beer.
02:50 wizzyrea or real beer.
02:50 wizzyrea who knows
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04:10 mtj fyi, wellington peeps - we are opening for tmrw nite, if anyone is out n' about…
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07:12 magnuse hiya cait and #koha
07:16 alex_a bonjour cait and magnuse
07:16 cait hi all :)
07:17 cait friday morning :)
07:17 magnuse bonjour alex_a
07:37 magnuse pizzaday!
07:37 magnuse friday?
07:37 wahanui hmmm... friday is pizzaday!
07:37 magnuse yay!
07:42 cait heh
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07:44 reiveune hello
07:45 magnuse bojour reiveune
07:50 cait bbl :)
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08:24 gaetan_B hello
08:27 kf hi gaetan_B :)
08:27 gaetan_B :)
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09:03 kf good friday morning drojf
09:07 drojf hi kf :)
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09:24 magnuse oh noes!
09:24 kf hope he comes back and doesn't end up in another dimension
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09:24 magnuse yup
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09:51 gerundio good morning everyone
10:07 kf h igeru
10:07 kf hi gerundio :)
10:07 gerundio I've been called worse ehehehe
10:09 kf heh
10:12 drojf hi gerundio
10:12 drojf firefox os app day berlin 'sold out'
10:12 drojf ha. i got a ticket 'just in case' yesterday
10:13 kf :)
10:13 kf cool
10:13 kf rangi is going there tomorrow
10:13 kf in wellington
10:13 drojf so there will be a koha app already :D
10:14 drojf yeah i saw wellington on the list and was wondering if somebody of the koha folks is going
10:14 gerundio a brand new Koha Firefox OS app on the forge drojf? :p
10:14 drojf i'd love them to have some phones ready when it is in berlin ;)
10:15 gerundio don't know if you'll be that lucky
10:15 drojf probably not
10:15 gerundio the event mentions "Firefox OS Simulator", so I'm guessing that'll be the showcase method
10:16 gerundio but hey, you never know
10:16 drojf i'd also be fine to jump up the queue for a developer phone :P
10:16 gerundio has any hardware manufacturer already partned with Mozilla on this?
10:16 drojf yes, there is geeksphone, they will anounce more info on developer phones in february
10:17 drojf
10:17 drojf they have two models soon
10:19 * magnuse wants a geek phone, just based on the name :-)
10:19 gerundio lets see how it manages on the mobile market
10:20 * magnuse would also like to see html5 take the place of native apps
10:20 gerundio hmm, not in the near future I guess
10:20 drojf i think the web-y-browse-y stuff will work alright, but there seems to be no layer to run anything not web-based.
10:21 magnuse yay
10:21 magnuse :-)
10:21 gerundio Facebook went down that road for their iOS app and said it was their worst decision
10:22 gerundio any Android users among you guys?
10:22 drojf magnuse: i'd like to be able to run scripts or something at least ;)
10:22 gerundio check this new gadget by Always Innovating:[…]android-20130124/
10:22 drojf gerundio: i used android for 15 minutes a few days ago. to learn how to root a phone for a friend :D but i don't have an android device
10:23 * magnuse has an android phone, somewhat reluctantly after having an n900 with the debian-based maemo os...
10:24 drojf hahaha that helicopter cam looks great
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10:26 * drojf still does not have a smartphone
10:26 drojf not too happy with the operating systems available
10:26 drojf i don't like google and i don't like apple to spy on me
10:28 gerundio just buy an offline budget phone
10:29 gerundio I don't know what will be the policies for the FirefoxOS and even for Ubuntu phone OS for that matter
10:29 drojf i have a samsung phone for 15€. it can call and send sms
10:29 drojf :D
10:30 gerundio that's all I need too
10:30 gerundio :D
10:31 * kf has a smartphone but only uses it for internet and another phone for calling people :P
10:31 gerundio kf, you should look into replacing that smartphone for a 7" tablet or so
10:32 drojf i'd like a pocket internet. i hope to be able to really interact with the hardware on firefoxos. as in, have control over it. but we will see
10:32 kf gerundio: I recently got a tablet... *sigh*
10:32 gerundio internet experience in such a device is much better
10:32 * gerundio got a Nexus 7 a while ago too
10:33 drojf i have a tablet too. does not really fit in my pocket though (10")
10:33 gerundio I used to think 10" was great, but now I'm pretty pleased with my 7"
10:33 gerundio not to say the speed
10:34 * kf has an asus transformer - it's nice
10:34 drojf firefox os should be able to run on really low spec hardware. i'd buy a phone for ~100€ for occasional internet needs on the go and that seems possible. i would not really spend 400++€ for a phone
10:34 gerundio offtopic: KOHA
10:35 gerundio is scalar($field->subfields()) a good way to count the # of subfields on a given field?
10:35 kf not sure if it's a good way but it seems like itwould work
10:35 drojf i define "good way" by "it works", so don't ask me :)
10:35 gerundio lolol
10:35 kf would assigning it to a scalar variable without the scalar not work too?
10:36 kf I am too much of a perl noob to tell you if it's good :)
10:36 gerundio don't think you can beat me at the "perl noob" category, sorry the highest place in the podium is already taken kf :D
10:37 kf heh
10:37 kf i will not fight you for it
10:37 gerundio the thing that strikes me the most about perl is there is always like ten ways to accomplish something
10:37 drojf see, and i am happy if i find one of them :D
10:37 gerundio which ultimately leaves me wondering which one is the right one
10:38 kf gerundio: the reading list recommended to me was:
10:38 kf learning perl, modern perl, perl best practices
10:39 kf I am still stuck in the middle of modern perl
10:39 gerundio I've got my hands on a copy of PBP just in case
10:39 kf I think modern perl and perl best practices shoudl help answering that question
10:43 drojf still tickets available for the app day in wellington if anyone is interested in a short holiday ;)
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10:43 kf if I coudl make it there on time... beamers
10:43 kf someone shoudl work on that
10:45 drojf i think the more realistic approach for the near future is using a 3d printer to replicate stuff on the other end of the world. that would not work with a copy of kf i suppose ;)
10:45 kf hhmmm
10:49 magnuse there is more than one way to do it ftw! :-)
11:01 pastebot "gerundio" at pasted "Snippet to remove 610a subfield" (32 lines) at
11:01 gerundio when I run the script with that code for a given record
11:02 gerundio the 610a field is removed
11:02 gerundio and even the whole 610 field is gone if subfield a was the only subfield
11:03 gerundio but if I re-run the script for the same record I get "Can't call method "subfield" on an undefined value at line 96." which refers to the "$record->field('610');" line
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11:04 gerundio as $record is now returning NULL
11:04 gerundio any idea what I might be doing wrong here?
11:11 gerundio just to add more info on this
11:11 gerundio the database record on biblio looks fine
11:12 gerundio the 610 field is gone from the marcxml collumn
11:27 magnuse gerundio: you need to check if there is a 610 before you try to do anything with it
11:28 magnuse wrap everything under "# Retrieve field 610" in an "if ( $record->field('610') ) {...}"
11:28 gerundio magnuse, I can add that check to the script although the error is reported earlier in the script
11:29 gerundio the $record in returned as undef or NULL not the $field
11:30 magnuse if the whole record is undef/NULL after you edited it, it sounds like the editing did something wrong...
11:30 gerundio in should be read as is ^^
11:31 gerundio that's the whole code
11:31 gerundio I remove subfield 610a if it exists
11:31 gerundio check if field 610 was left with no subfields
11:31 gerundio and if that's the case I remove it completely
11:32 gerundio then save the changes using ModBiblio
11:32 gerundio I'm not that familiar with the C4::Biblio and MARC::Record libraries
11:32 gerundio so I'm betting I'm using the methods in any wrong way
11:33 magnuse hm
11:33 magnuse the error was "Can't call method "subfield" on an undefined value at line 96."
11:33 magnuse this line does not call method "subfield": my $field          = $record->field('610');
11:33 magnuse but this does: my $subfield = $field->subfield('a');
11:34 magnuse so i think that last one has to be line 96?
11:37 gerundio hmm, you got a point there
11:37 gerundio it seems I've been reading it wrong since the start
11:37 gerundio magnuse++ I'll work on that
11:38 magnuse yay :-)
11:56 gerundio magnuse++ you deserve it... enough said :p
11:56 magnuse cool :-)
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12:57 slef anyone remember what it was about something like a --no-ff option when merging?
12:58 slef "Generate a merge commit even if the merge resolved as a fast-forward"
12:58 jcamins_away slef: yes, without that you can't revert merges.
12:58 slef so to revert them, use rebase -i to remove the merge commit?
12:59 jcamins_away No.
12:59 slef use revert later?
12:59 jcamins_away Just use git revert -m 1 {REVERT_COMMIT_ID}
12:59 jcamins_away Yeah.
13:00 jcamins_away If you are rebasing you don't need --no-ff
13:00 slef I wonder what that looks like on the tree
13:00 slef I'm making a new local test deployment... 3.8.9 plus some enh from later
13:00 magnuse it looks like nice xmas decorations ;-)
13:00 slef magnuse: :)
13:02 slef heh, I got halfway through the merges before Merge conflict in installer/data/mysql/
13:18 * chris_n read "rebasing" as "rebashing"
13:19 * chris_n wonders if "rebashing" is some form of rewriting bash scripts
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13:44 oleonard Hi #koha
13:44 kf_lunch hi oleonard
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14:21 * magnuse waves at all the new arrivals :-)
14:21 oleonard Hey, that's me!
14:21 * oleonard waves back
14:21 gerundio :)
14:22 magnuse :-)
14:23 * magnuse admires his shiny new raspberry pi through it's shiny new see-through plastic case ;-)
14:23 jcamins_away :)
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14:24 drojf :)
14:25 magnuse now all it needs are some cables, some storage and some time... ;-)
14:25 gerundio I've been thinking of buying one to setup as a media center with XBMC
14:25 drojf nah, you have to install koha on it :P
14:26 gerundio still not sure how it behaves on 720p or 1080p movies though
14:26 gerundio drojf, why stop with just 1x pi, right? :D
14:26 drojf the gpu shluld be capable of running that ok. not sure about xmbc having access to hardware decoding though
14:26 drojf should
14:27 * magnuse will try it as a media center, probably
14:27 drojf firefox os runs on a pi too ;)
14:27 magnuse ooh
14:27 drojf but i think the ported version is really old now
14:28 drojf i don't feel like porting that myself. and by i don't feel like i mean i doubt i am able to do that
14:28 slef is firefox os all-FOSS?
14:28 drojf slef: don't know yet
14:28 drojf waiting for answers :)
14:29 slef there was some confusion on a list I read, so someone asked in a comment on the website and the Mozilla rep avoided the question, which sowed FUD
14:29 drojf there is not much info out on the "linux" part (kernel+whatever there is) called gonk
14:29 magnuse on the note in the box it says debian squeeze is recommended - i thought there was a special distro, raspbian or something?
14:29 slef I'll mention any update I get, if you want.
14:29 drojf magnuse: what box?
14:29 wahanui box is probably missing.
14:29 slef wahanui: forget box
14:29 wahanui slef: I forgot box
14:30 drojf magnuse: also, take raspian. it's wheezy +x
14:30 * druthb thinks it'd be cool to have a koha "appliance" built around a Pi.  Plug it in, give it an IP addy, and start configurin' Koha.
14:31 drojf druthb: a koha live-pi? :D
14:31 magnuse druthb: yeah!
14:31 magnuse drojf: yeah!
14:31 drojf i was thinking about that, but that would be a pretty large file
14:31 magnuse drojf: the pi itself came in a pink plastic box
14:31 druthb yep.  I could sell the heck out of that to small rural libraries.  ILS in a box.
14:32 drojf magnuse: ah, ok. that is probably  ooold info :)
14:32 magnuse druthb: yeah!
14:33 gerundio I just got a complaint about fine values not showing up in the overdue notices sent to patrons
14:33 gerundio bug 8378
14:33 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8378 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , <fine> syntax not working on overdues anymore
14:33 druthb Places where network connectivity is twitchy, and a hosted solution is not a good idea....
14:33 drojf druthb: mine even made its own WiFi network. no need for internet ;)
14:33 gerundio this is still an active bug
14:33 drojf the solar part did not work so well
14:34 gerundio so I'm guessing that koha isn't sending fine values... is that it?
14:36 drojf slef: my second raspberry pi was actually produced in the UK, as they claimed to do from the beginning
14:39 slef drojf: I did not know that, or that it wasn't. I assumed it was exploitative Chinaware like most stuff.
14:39 drojf i think parts of the production still are
14:44 magnuse mine says "made in china"...
14:46 * kf_lunch growls
14:46 kf_lunch sorry :)
14:47 * kf_lunch gets frustrated trying to figure this out
14:47 magnuse figure what out, kf_lunch?
14:47 kf something I am working on, it's ok
14:48 drojf made in china reminds me that i wanted to watch the "are fair computers possible" talk from 29c3
14:49 * slef hands kf a kitten kebab
14:49 slef drojf: got link?
14:49 slef huginn: google "are fair computers possible" 29c3
14:49 huginn slef: Lightning Talks - 29C3 Public Wiki: <[…]i/Lightning_Talks>; Workshops - 29C3 Public Wiki: <>; 29c3-Videos › Nerdcore: <>; 29C3 Review | Lukas' Weblog: <>; Gratefulfrog's GratefulBlog: 29C3 - 29th Chaos Communications (1 more message)
14:50 slef what's the latest 3.8 release?
14:51 magnuse 3.8.9
14:51 slef cool, thanks, thought I was going nuts
14:51 slef and I was :)
14:51 druthb No one noticed, slef.  Happens to me, too.
14:52 * druthb went nuts a long time ago, but y'all just go along with it, so it's okay.
14:52 drojf slef: ah, it was in german
14:52 drojf either go to choose a format and look for 29c3-5121-de-en-sind_faire_computer_moeglich or on youtube (embedded in an article) at[…]-ist-das-moglich/ )
14:53 slef drojf: kein Problem
14:53 drojf :)
14:54 slef hrm, I wonder if my tv plays mp4
14:54 slef it's a DVB-T2 set... it should, shouldn't it?
14:54 drojf isn't that mpeg2?
14:55 slef HEsomething AAC
14:55 slef DVB-T is definitely mpeg2
14:55 slef not sure about T2
14:55 slef it's new to me
14:56 drojf i didn't know there is T2 at all. i don't care much about tv :)
14:57 drojf now that i have to pay for it, i probably should
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15:18 slef drojf: I don't care about T2 but it seemed a good idea to get a TV that supported it as there was not much price difference.
15:19 slef drojf: I was rather surprised it can pick up T2 signals from as far away as Manchester, 5h travel away, in good weather.
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15:30 drojf third person to report Z39.50 problems
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15:33 slef drojf: with or koha or what?
15:33 drojf Anyone else having problems grabbing records through Z39.50 in the past couple of days?  Our FirstSearch, LOC & NYPL destinations all return errors ...
15:33 drojf in koha
15:34 drojf (on the mailing list)
15:35 libsysguy oleonard has given me a great gift today
15:35 libsysguy loads of easy patches to QA
15:39 kf libsysguy: yuo know you should start with older ones/bug fixes ;)
15:40 kf can't always pick the easy ones
15:40 libsysguy :'(
15:40 jcamins_away Bugfixes especially.
15:40 jcamins_away I have a bugfix that has been awaiting QA for quite a while.
15:40 libsysguy oh?
15:40 libsysguy what #?
15:40 wahanui # is, like, for root
15:40 jcamins_away Chances are there are a bunch of others, too.
15:41 jcamins_away Bug 9174.
15:41 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9174 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Item type image does not display for biblio-level itemtypes in list display in OPAC
15:41 jcamins_away Okay, only three weeks.
15:42 jcamins_away But there's also bug 9222, 9201, 9226, 9320, 9323, 8451, etc. :P
15:42 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9222 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Signed Off , manual history reversed in
15:43 kf hehe
15:43 kf do 3 bug fixes and you can do some of the easy ones after
15:43 * kf offers a deal ;)
15:43 jcamins_away Yes! Good idea!
15:43 libsysguy fine fine
15:43 jcamins_away And now I _really_ have to go finish getting my things together, so that we can leave for a much-needed vacation.
15:43 libsysguy psh vacation
15:43 kf jcamins_away: enjoy while I am going to fail your patches :P
15:44 jcamins_away lol
15:44 jcamins_away As long as they move forward.
15:45 libsysguy forward++
15:45 * kf is looking at query parser
15:45 oleonard forward->->
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15:53 slef drojf: LOC z39.50 failed for us today, but it's not something that the library I'm working for today uses, so I've not investigated.
15:54 jcamins_away slef: gmcharlt sent an e-mail to the list explaining the problem.
15:54 jcamins_away Columbia and Smithsonian work fine for me, though.
15:54 slef jcamins_away: looking... (I wish gmane koha archive worked)
15:55 slef http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.[…]es-td5740217.html
15:55 jcamins_away slef: you don't receive the mailing lists to your e-mail?
15:56 slef jcamins_away: yes, but I read that mailbox only daily.
15:57 jcamins_away Ah.
15:57 slef well, mostly daily
15:57 jcamins_away Oh, hey, I should update my VM before I leave.
15:57 slef some days not at all, other days repeatedly
16:01 jcamins_away Wow. Lots to download.
16:02 * oleonard hands jcamins_away a yak to shave
16:06 gmcharlt jcamins_away: I've asked somebody at LC about whether will be coming back, and if they all would rather we use instead
16:06 jcamins_away gmcharlt++
16:07 reiveune bye
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16:12 magnuse lazy question: what's the state of dbic and koha?
16:13 jcamins_away magnuse: stalled until Koha is actually persistance-ready.
16:13 magnuse ah, ok
16:15 kf jcamins_away: so the patches from elliott won't work?
16:16 kf or am i confusing something?
16:16 libsysguy ?
16:16 jcamins_away They will work, but I don't see how we can put them in right now.
16:16 jcamins_away The performance hit for CGI is pretty significant, and we don't offer any alternative.
16:16 libsysguy until somebody signs off on the nginx stuff
16:16 * libsysguy prods
16:17 jcamins_away libsysguy: and until Plack, you know, works. :P
16:17 libsysguy right…so to answer your question kf...never
16:17 libsysguy :p
16:17 jcamins_away Anything to do with notices is completely borked under Plack.
16:18 jcamins_away That's part of the reason I did the new caching.
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16:18 jcamins_away It gives us a fighting chance of fixing the problem without needing to massively rewrite C4.
16:18 mib_e3s3d5 can anyone provide me with some help for Koha 2.2.5?
16:19 libsysguy whoa mib_e3s3d5 I think that version is older than I am
16:19 jcamins_away mib_e3s3d5: sorry, that's an incredibly old version.
16:19 jcamins_away I don't think anyone provides support for it.
16:19 mib_e3s3d5 I know...I just have some basic needs.
16:19 drojf lol libsysguy that is close to what i wanted to say
16:19 oleonard 2.x advice is always "upgrade"
16:19 mib_e3s3d5 out of my control on the upgrade for now.
16:20 mib_e3s3d5 I just need to know how to enter in an authors name.
16:20 jcamins_away mib_e3s3d5: no one here has used Koha 2.x in a very long time, but if you'd like you could ask your question anyway, on the off-chance that someone has an answer.
16:21 * drojf has never used koha < 3
16:21 * jcamins_away either.
16:21 kf mib_I think most developers here have never seen it, as it's years old
16:21 kf I have seen screenshots, that's all
16:21 * libsysguy started on v3.4.x
16:21 jcamins_away Right. Don't get your hopes up, but if your question is general enough, there's a chance that the question would be answerable based on general knowledge.
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16:21 kf 3.0 almost 3.2 was my starting point
16:22 jcamins_away I got involved only a few months after kf.
16:24 gerundio I trying to make something out of bug 8378
16:24 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8378 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , <fine> syntax not working on overdues anymore
16:24 gerundio looking into "cronjobs/" source code
16:24 oleonard mib_e3s3d5: I've been around since before 2.2.5 and entering an author is pretty much the same as it is now if you use MARC: Edit the MARC record.
16:24 gerundio can someone take a look at the parse_letter function
16:25 mib_e3s3d5 oleonard-can we talk privatly about this? I'm find giving a phone number to you to call or can I call you?
16:25 gerundio and tell what is supposed to be come from that $item->{'fine'} = currency_format($currency_format, "$fine", FMT_SYMBOL)
16:25 mib_e3s3d5 this would be most most helpful.
16:26 oleonard No mib_e3s3d5, I'm basing my advice on distant memory. I don't work with 2.x anymore and don't want to. Sorry :(
16:26 mib_e3s3d5 thanx for the carrot.
16:26 gerundio run mib_e3s3d5 run :)
16:27 gerundio btw, "The current release is 3.8, until at least October 2012, and the previous releases still being supported are 3.4 and 3.6."
16:27 gerundio so 2.2.5 goes long before that
16:27 jcamins_away gerundio: where does it say that?
16:27 drojf mib_e3s3d5: what is the problem with entering the name=
16:27 gerundio download?
16:27 wahanui download is still 4.10
16:27 jcamins_away gerundio: 'cause that's wrong.
16:27 gerundio
16:27 jcamins_away Ah.
16:27 jcamins_away wahanui: forget download
16:27 wahanui jcamins_away: I forgot download
16:28 jcamins_away download is
16:28 jcamins_away Thanks.
16:28 drojf mib_e3s3d5: my guess would be, it is authority controlled and you cannot enter a name directly?
16:28 gerundio jcamins_away, the wrong being the current version?
16:29 jcamins_away gerundio: and what is supported.
16:29 jcamins_away We don't support 3.4.
16:29 gerundio so always current - 2?
16:29 jcamins_away @later tell wizzyrea could you please edit to note that the current release is 3.10, and the previous releases still being supported are 3.6 and 3.8?
16:29 huginn jcamins_away: The operation succeeded.
16:29 jcamins_away gerundio: generally.
16:29 gerundio don't tell me you're thinking about LTS :)
16:30 jcamins_away gerundio: actually, there were threats to change it to current and current-1, but the RM's use of 3.6 persuaded someone to step up to maintain 3.6.
16:30 kf gerundio: it gives you a formatted string I think
16:30 gerundio RM as in Release Manager or Real Madrid? :o
16:31 kf gerundio: you have to put <fine>ISOCODE</fine> in the notice
16:31 kf and there is a perl library to deal with the formating where the routine belongs too
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16:31 mib_e3s3d5 djrof-are you asking me?
16:31 kf I waded through the documentation before, Ithink that part is right and should give you the formatted string with the right currency symbol
16:32 jcamins_away gerundio: as in Release Manager.
16:35 gerundio kf, I have <fine>EUR</fine> in the notice
16:35 gerundio and all I get in the email message is EUR and no fine value
16:36 kf hm ok
16:36 kf is there a fine?
16:36 kf F or FU for that item?
16:36 gerundio and regarding your answer, been there and done that
16:36 gerundio looked into the[…]at-1.28/ documentation and code
16:36 kf right, that is the one :)
16:36 gerundio my question was about that particular code snippet
16:37 gerundio let me give some more insight on what I'm seeing there
16:38 gerundio I'll be using the code from github so we can see the same line numbers
16:38 gerundio[…]
16:39 gerundio scroll down to line 714
16:39 gerundio so basically we set $currency_format = $1; if there's a tag <fine>something</fine> in the notice content, right?
16:40 jcamins_away So long, everyone.
16:40 jcamins_away Have a good week and a half.
16:41 gerundio $1 as in the 1st argument passed on to the parse_letter function
16:41 gerundio jcamins_away, you will be missed
16:41 gerundio have fun and get some proper rest
16:41 kf have anice vacation!
16:41 oleonard Have a nice trip jcamins_away
16:41 gerundio hope you get your bateries recharged duracell style
16:42 kf gerundio: I think look up $1
16:42 kf it's to do with the regex
16:43 kf not with the params of the function
16:43 kf it gets the EUR out - the first () of the rexex used before
16:43 drojf mib_e3s3d5: yes i was asking you for a decription of your problem
16:44 kf regex
16:44 oleonard d
16:44 gerundio kf, oh right
16:44 kf or I guess it should
16:45 gerundio and then it just replaces the whole <fine>EUR</fine> tag for <<item.fine>>
16:45 gerundio got it
16:46 kf gerundio: there is no item.fine
16:46 kf or maybe there is... but it's not from the items table
16:46 gerundio just reading the code
16:46 gerundio $params->{'letter'}->{'content'} =~ s/<fine>.*<\/fine>/<<item.fine>>/o;
16:46 gerundio it's not from the table
16:46 gerundio my thoughts too at 1st
16:47 kf so it must look that up somewhere else
16:47 drojf have a good time jcamins_away
16:47 gerundio line 728
16:47 gerundio $item->{'fine'} gets set
16:48 gerundio then the whole $item is passed on
16:48 kf geru
16:48 gerundio and from the looks of it must be mapped inside C4::Letters::GetPreparedLetter
16:49 kf gerundio: sorry I have to leave - if you are around later I can try to take another look
16:49 gerundio I think I'm focusing in the wrong place
16:49 gerundio sure kf
16:49 gerundio probably I won't be here
16:49 gerundio I'm leaving in an hour or so
16:49 gerundio thanks for your time anyways
16:49 gerundio kf++ :)
16:49 kf gerundio++ :)
17:01 kf bye all and have a nice weekend!
17:02 drojf you too kf
17:03 chris_n @later tell wizzyrea, jcamins_away download page updated
17:03 huginn chris_n: The operation succeeded.
17:03 chris_n by kf
17:03 chris_n bye, even
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17:23 nengard question about the new alphabet system preference - is this just for the patron browse?
17:23 nengard or is it used elsewhere
17:26 oleonard Just for that as far as I know
17:26 nengard okey dokey
17:26 oleonard Where else do we have an alphabet browse? I can't think of anywhere
17:29 nengard I can't either
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17:35 jenkins_koha * nengard: update OPACBaseURL to provide more detail
17:35 jenkins_koha * nengard: add alphabet preference
17:45 gerundio goodbye everyone
17:45 gerundio have a nice weekend
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17:48 oleonard khall: My patch for Bug 9456 doesn't fit the bill in what way? Customer requirements?
17:48 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9456 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Add callnumber column to the cart
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17:50 * cait waves
17:56 oleonard the view from my office window:
17:58 cait oh
17:58 cait similar to here :)
17:58 cait well... not really, most of it has thawed away r
17:58 rambutan cool
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18:04 jenkins_koha nengard: add NotesBlacklist preference
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18:19 jenkins_koha * nengard: update self check with new receipt option
18:19 jenkins_koha * nengard: update checkout notice
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18:39 rangi
18:40 rangi Morning
18:40 wahanui Morning is, like, a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast
18:41 * rangi is on the way to FirefoxOS day
18:44 rambutan rangi rhymes
18:44 rangi Hehe
18:49 jenkins_koha Starting build #267 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 9 mo 2 days ago)
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18:49 jenkins_koha nengard: update batch anonymize tool
19:12 * oleonard wonders why Jenkins fails Docs builds
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19:22 nengard_lunch oleonard it's a problem with the characters in the french translation ? or so I've been told
19:22 * oleonard wonders what Jenkins has against the French
19:24 nengard_lunch LOL
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19:39 rangi its using entities instead of actul utf8 chars that is the problem
19:40 rangi someone just needs to find the &cute; whatevers and put the actual chars in, and its fixed
19:41 oleonard That sounds simple enough rangi
19:41 oleonard Thanks
19:42 rangi http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]bb1d-ddc47ffb263f
19:42 rangi that ^
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20:20 jenkins_koha * nengard: add SeparateHoldings & SeparateHoldingsBranch prefs
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20:20 jenkins_koha * nengard: update Authorities Browser cron
20:22 oleonard Incorporating the login menu changes from Corey's patch:
20:22 oleonard @later tell wizzyrea Incorporating the login menu changes from Corey's patch:
20:22 huginn oleonard: The operation succeeded.
20:23 oleonard I'd like to make it clearer that the username is a menu, but I haven't settled on anything yet
20:24 oleonard Need to get the cart popup working before it can be considered for signoff
20:27 cait oleonard++
20:27 cait thx for working on this :)
20:28 * oleonard is excited to do it when he isn't overwhelmed by all the other things that need to be done
20:28 cait :)
20:28 cait I am not sure about the @ tho
20:28 cait I am not sure it translates well to non-geeks
20:28 cait and at makes only make sense in english
20:29 cait I mean reading it 'at' only makes sense in english
20:29 cait unlike me.. I don't even make sense there
20:29 cait really like how the pull downs look :)
20:30 oleonard yeah I think we need more discussion on that aspect of it. I like that it is more compact, but I also want it to be clear and the menu discoverable
20:31 cait why not make it work similar to the more?
20:31 cait with a little arrow?
20:31 cait I really doubt the @ would make sense outside of english
20:32 cait for librarians
20:33 cait well... details :) later
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21:02 oleonard Good weekend #koha
21:03 datadoctor Hi All! I am interested in Acquisitions; new record creation. Is anyone else noticing that the random number assigned to each transaction breaks the browser's...
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21:04 datadoctor form memorization? It looks like the random number allows multiple items to be created more quickly.
21:04 cait ?
21:04 cait datadoctor: what exactly are you trying to do?
21:05 datadoctor Acquisitions is entering or editing the Marc record. They are cataloging for "Accelerated Reader" somewhere around 650c. They used to type "ac"
21:06 datadoctor and the browser would suggest "Accelerated Reader."
21:06 cait hm
21:06 cait ok, i think I got confused because acquisitions doesn't hve those fields
21:06 datadoctor Now they have to do a search, and a lot of things come up. Hmmm. Maybe they could type a little more into the search field...?
21:06 cait but I tink you mean cataloguing?
21:06 datadoctor Yes, cataloging, sorry...
21:07 cait are they using authorities?
21:07 datadoctor I believe so.
21:07 cait hm
21:07 cait not sure how to speed it up
21:08 datadoctor I'm thinking about it, and maybe they just need to type in a few more characters before they search, that would make for a smaller table of results to choose from.
21:09 datadoctor The way to see this is to call up a book, then edit it's record.
21:11 datadoctor The fields used to be indentified as "tag_010_subfield_a" - now they are called "tag_010_subfield_a_776843_783466" so the browser sees it as a new subfield
21:11 cait i see
21:11 datadoctor on each new record. The number appears to be randomly assigned.
21:12 cait I think there is probably a reason to that :)
21:12 cait or i hope
21:13 datadoctor Perhaps a new feature that allows multiple items to be created in one step for the record. The items display in a mini table before the record is created.
21:13 datadoctor Something like that.
21:14 datadoctor It changes the workflow from using the browser pull-down to using the built-in search feature.
21:15 datadoctor Then you choose the correct value from a table by scrolling down and pushing "choose."
21:15 cait datadoctor: you are really confusing me :)
21:15 cait items are not cataloguing
21:16 cait different screen
21:16 cait I am not sure where you are right now in Koha
21:16 datadoctor Thanks. I get confused about it too. I don't know the correct terminology. The problem occurs in cataloging.
21:17 cait you can have repeatable fields... but there i sno item table in the cataloguing screen
21:17 cait it's a bit late here on a friday
21:17 cait guess my brain is just tired
21:17 datadoctor I'm about to leave. I will try to think up a way to present this better.
21:17 cait maybe screenshots :)
21:17 datadoctor We see it when we receive incoming items.
21:17 cait or step by step
21:18 datadoctor But the problem occurs when we are doing the cataloging, and creating the record, not on the item screen.
21:18 cait so in acq?
21:18 cait hm
21:19 cait really not sure, sorry
21:19 datadoctor Thanks cait, I think I am confusing the item entry with the record entry. I'm going to check my facts and get back to you.
21:20 cait weekends are pretty quiet here
21:20 cait maybe on monday you can catch a bigger crowd
21:20 cait or you can try the mailing list
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