IRC log for #koha, 2012-12-19

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01:37 Oak kia ora #koha
01:37 Oak cait, you did not go to sleep last night?
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06:24 rangi @wunder nzwn
06:24 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Brooklyn, Wellington, New Zealand is 21.3°C (7:23 PM NZDT on December 19, 2012). Conditions: . Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Falling).
06:24 rangi its hot!
06:24 bag @wunder 93109
06:24 huginn bag: The current temperature in East Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 8.5°C (10:16 PM PST on December 18, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.05 in 1018 hPa (Rising). Wind Advisory in effect until 7 am PST Wednesday...
06:25 bag cold here - major win for rangi there
06:25 rangi heh
06:25 rangi that must be about as cold as it gets?
06:33 cait oh hi bag :)
06:33 bag heya cait
06:33 bag rangi: pretty close
06:33 bag I think maybe down to 4 or 5 early in the morning
06:45 cjh it's very warm in the office, our corner was getting a nice dose of afternoon sun.
06:46 rangi ah yeah the aircon will be off now
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07:32 alex_a_ bonjour
07:33 rangi hi alex_a_
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08:17 kf moring #koha
08:17 rangi hi kf
08:17 kf heya rangi
08:18 paul_p morning #koha
08:18 kf morning paul_p
08:18 rangi hi paul_p
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08:21 julian_m hi #koha
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08:29 bag heya paul_p and julian_m
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09:07 kroditi :paul_p good morning
09:08 paul_p good morning kroditi !
09:09 kroditi paul_p: good morning, I cannot log in translation project, could it be because of the server change?
09:09 paul_p kroditi it's strange. It should not, because afaik, there has been no move those days. The move was before I created your account. I try to log in, just a moment pls
09:10 kroditi ok
09:10 paul_p kroditi = no problem to login for me. Are you sure you don't make a mistake ? have you tried the "lost password" procedure ?
09:10 * paul_p must leave for a meeting
09:10 kroditi paul_p: no, i will now
09:11 kroditi paul_p: thank you
09:12 kroditi paul_p: I am sure for my credentials, just wanted to make sure that all new accounts have been transferred to the new server before I tried to reset my password
09:12 * paul_p at a meeting
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09:23 kf kroditi: the server has been moved another time, but you should be able to login I think - if there is a problem you can give me your username and I can take a look
09:27 kroditi kf: hello, I cannot complete the procedure of password reset
09:28 kf i can reset it for you - if you give me your user name
09:28 kroditi kf: my username is
09:34 kf I will take a look - give me a few minutes
09:34 kroditi kf: thank you!
09:35 kf hm
09:35 kf you acount is active
09:35 kf user name is krodity
09:35 kf sorry
09:35 kf kroditi
09:35 kf I don't see your password
09:35 kroditi kf: no domain at the end?
09:35 kf no domain
09:36 kroditi kf: let try once again with the old password
09:37 kroditi kf: it worked
09:38 kroditi kf: I apologise for the inconvinience
09:39 kf no inconvenience
09:39 kf happy it works now
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09:42 kroditi kf: thank you! could you please advise me for something else? how can I download a .po file for greek system preferences? the file paul_p gave me has an encoding issue and the greek characters do not show!
09:43 kf brb
09:53 kf when you are logged in
09:54 kf kroditi: go to the review tab
09:54 kf on top is a link to download a zip file
09:54 kf but there seems to be a problem with permissions currently hm.
09:55 kf @later tell druthb - there is a permission error when trying to download po files from pootle - could you take a look? I tried greek - review tab - download zip and po file
09:55 huginn kf: The operation succeeded.
10:01 kf kroditi: sorry, I cannot fix the permission problem, we will have to wait for the translation manager druthb to take a look at the problem
10:01 kroditi kf: I have two options download or download XLIFF. Is that due to my permissions?
10:02 kf the zip link is on top f all
10:02 kf of the page
10:02 kf you don't see it?
10:03 kf download shoudl work too - to give you a single po file
10:03 kf but I think the permission problem prevents it currently
10:06 kroditi kf: on top of the page All I can see is that there are 3 files, and all download links are under each po file. So, waiting for the permission issue to resolve and give another try
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10:10 kroditi kf: that is odd. the preferences po file is the only file I can download with no permission errors, but greek characters appear "broken" again!
10:10 kf hm
10:10 kf that is a bit weir
10:10 kf d
10:11 kf I am not sure
10:11 kf druthb is in US so she won't be around for a bit longer
10:11 kroditi the odd thing is that on translate tab, and on my browser's tab the characters appear correctly
10:12 kf hm could it be your editor?
10:12 kf which editor are you using to open the po file?
10:12 kroditi Poedit
10:12 kf I know that the pref file is missing a encoding declartion or something, so it gives me trouble too
10:13 kf maybe try to tell poedit to use utf8
10:13 kroditi I tried changing the encoding, but nothing changes
10:13 kroditi and when I reopen the editor, it is still under iso encoding
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10:14 kroditi so, maybe the best option is to translate preferences online!
10:14 drojf good day #koha
10:16 kf kroditi: the pref file and poedit are not working well - I think it's a problem with the file
10:16 kf maybe file a bug for it, it would be good to have it documented
10:17 kf if pootle shows it correct, I would start translating there, note that for the pref, don't translate the #something part at the beginning of the string, you can take a look at german or french how it's done there
10:17 kf hi dr
10:17 kf hi drojf
10:17 drojf hi kf
10:17 drojf as i said before, you can call me dr. drojf if you like ;)
10:17 kroditi kf: ok. thank you very much for the help!
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10:24 kf drojf: I already give you a lot of karma, calling you dr goes too far
10:27 bag well good night #koha
10:27 kf good night bag
10:31 drojf kf: aaaw
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11:42 vfernandes hello
12:01 gerundio oi vfernandes
12:02 gerundio guys, is it possible to revert an import?
12:06 kf gerundio: how did you do the import?
12:06 gerundio is the "Matching rule applied" and "Action if matching record found" on the "Manage staged MARC records" tool working properly?
12:06 gerundio kf, using the Manage staged MARC records
12:06 kf yes, then you can revert it
12:06 gerundio the problem is there are some missing barcode on the imported records
12:07 kf hm
12:07 gerundio which I now want to update
12:07 kf did you check if those were duplicates?
12:07 kf and you can't update barcodes
12:07 kf you will have to delete and reimport the items
12:07 kf all the matching only applies to the bibliotgraphic records, not to items
12:07 gerundio I was now looking at the "Matching rule applied" and "Action if matching record found" settings on  "Manage staged MARC records" tool
12:07 gerundio ohhhh
12:07 gerundio thanks for the info
12:07 kf but the revert also removes the items :)
12:08 gerundio how can I revert it then?
12:08 kf there is a button on the manage staged marc records page
12:09 gerundio I have 2 imports listed in my "Manage staged MARC records" table
12:09 gerundio only the 2nd one shows a "Clean" button on the "Action" collumn
12:09 gerundio is that it?
12:10 kf don't click clean
12:10 kf click to see the records
12:10 kf of the batch
12:10 gerundio ok
12:10 kf and then there is the button below the first table It hink
12:10 gerundio "Undo import into catalog", is that it?
12:10 kf yep
12:11 kf I think if you clean you can't undo after
12:11 gerundio hopefully I have DB backups during this actions :D
12:11 gerundio thanks again kf
12:11 kf you are welcome
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12:58 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
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13:16 jenkins_koha Starting build #256 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 7 mo 25 days ago)
13:16 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #256: STILL FAILING in 1 min 32 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_Docs/256/
13:16 jenkins_koha * nengard: update note about required email for registration
13:16 jenkins_koha * nengard: add patron self editing section
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13:19 jcamins_away @later tell oleonard Do I need to do something special to activate 9166? It doesn't seem to work on "My personal details."
13:19 huginn jcamins_away: The operation succeeded.
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13:20 jcamins Wow.
13:20 jcamins That was amazing.
13:21 jcamins It's my RM superpower!
13:21 oleonard And I just missed it?
13:21 kf lol
13:21 jcamins Good morning, oleonard.
13:21 kf summoning oleonard?
13:21 kf I am jealous :)
13:21 jcamins Yes!
13:21 kf and good morning to both of you :)
13:22 kf bug 9166
13:22 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9166 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , OPAC needs configuration file for datepicker
13:22 jcamins I've continued testing, and it turns out that it works on the place hold page.
13:22 kf ah cool :)
13:23 kf I was about to suggest activating the holds future thing
13:23 oleonard But the datepicker doesn't work on
13:23 jcamins Sort of.
13:23 jcamins Hm.
13:23 jcamins The calendar icon vanished.
13:24 jcamins It doesn't work on
13:25 jcamins I can't find a calendar on
13:26 oleonard On the holds tab, at the bottom, the "suspend all holds" control.
13:27 jcamins Oh, I bet I need to already have a hold.
13:27 jcamins Yes.
13:28 jcamins Hm. I'm not sure the language thing is working.
13:28 jcamins I'll try updating the language again.
13:31 kf you wil probably have to check the po files
13:32 kf for the string to appear
13:32 jcamins Oh, good point.
13:33 jcamins It appears in the PO file, and is translated.
13:34 * jcamins thinks he isn't going to figure this out in the next five minutes.
13:34 jcamins I will look at this again tonight or tomorrow when I'm at home.
13:35 jcamins You can do a follow-up for, so that the patch that already passed QA can be pushed (assuming I get it to work).
13:35 kf jcamins: does it say fuzzy?
13:35 kf #fuzzy or similar?
13:35 jcamins No.
13:35 kf hmm
13:36 kf surprising
13:36 tcohen hi kf, jcamins
13:36 kf hi tcohen
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13:41 oleonard Oh, is the new patron self-registration page. That's why it wasn't covered by my patch.
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13:53 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9104: country in CSV in <[…]733072b3c0573fb35> / Bug 8125 Sip addess should include all address fields <[…]ea8a1462fced14e68> / Bug 9287 - socialnetworks is enabled by default <[…]ha.git;a=commitdi
13:55 drojf can somebody tell me how i get into a terminal in android?
13:57 drojf or rather, do i get there at all if it's new/unrooted?
13:58 gerundio drojf, I think not
13:58 gerundio I have an unrooter Android phone
13:58 gerundio unrooted ^^
13:59 gerundio[…]sing_the_Terminal
13:59 gerundio check this article from XDA
14:00 jenkins_koha Starting build #984 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED)
14:00 drojf gerundio: thanks!
14:00 gerundio drojf,[…]ps.sshdroid&hl=en, SSHDroid says Root is optional but not required to run this application.
14:00 gerundio so I guess I might be wrong
14:02 drojf ok i can't install anything anyway because there is no google account in there yet. (not my device)
14:02 drojf but thanks
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14:18 gerundio drojf, can't help with that... Android device with no Google account assign is just a cool paperweight
14:22 drojf gerundio: lol. yeah my boss is out for lunch. anyway i would have to root that thing to repair wifi access to eduroam. i don't think that is something i am going to do in my office hours (or my spare time)...
14:22 gerundio "repair wifi access to eduroam"?
14:22 drojf "why did you buy a non-free device?" is a valid answer too
14:22 drojf[…]s/detail?id=34212
14:22 drojf apparently that is a bug
14:24 gerundio hmm, I'm still using Gingerbread on my Xperia X10
14:24 gerundio I can connect to eduroam just fine
14:24 drojf with user certificate?
14:25 gerundio no certificate :)
14:25 drojf doesn't work with username/password either on this device
14:26 drojf it's 4.0.4. jelly bean i think (i don't know much about android...)
14:26 gerundio I have one for over 1 year now and I just have a regular non smartphone usage
14:27 gerundio no internet plan
14:27 gerundio just use wifi connection to update the apps and play song pop
14:27 gerundio not the average Android user for sure :)
14:30 jenkins_koha Starting build #257 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 7 mo 25 days ago)
14:30 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #257: STILL FAILING in 17 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_Docs/257/
14:30 jenkins_koha nengard: update patron categories admin
14:44 druthb o/
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15:07 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #984: SUCCESS in 1 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/984/
15:07 jenkins_koha * mirko: Bug 9287 - socialnetworks is enabled by default
15:07 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 8125 Sip addess should include all address fields
15:07 jenkins_koha * fridolyn.somers: Bug 9104: country in CSV in
15:07 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9287 normal, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Pushed to Master , socialnetworks is enabled by default
15:07 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8125 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , SIP should send Zipcode with address
15:07 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9104 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , country in CSV in
15:10 kf bye all
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16:03 gerundio how can I add a record matching rule to use in the Stage MARC records for import tool?
16:04 gerundio found it: Home › Administration › Record matching rules › Add record matching rule
16:05 reiveune bye
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16:13 gerundio anyone experienced in creating record matching rules?
16:13 gerundio I want something as simple as matching records using the ISBN MARC field
16:30 jcamins_away gerundio: there's a sample rule for that.
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16:33 gerundio jcamins, I'm looking at the example in http://manual.koha-community.o[…]/en/catadmin.html, section 4.7. Record Matching Rules
16:35 jcamins Ignore the code and description. They have nothing to do with the actual rule.
16:36 jcamins Other than that, looks fine.
16:36 jcamins That's for the control number, obviously.
16:36 gerundio I guess I just have to change the Tag and Subfields values
16:37 gerundio but right now my problem just grew bigger
16:37 gerundio I was told that in our library we have multiple records for the same book
16:37 gerundio instead of 1 record + multiple items
16:37 gerundio so I guess there's no matching rule that can save me in this case
16:37 jcamins Also the index.
16:38 jcamins That's correct.
16:38 gerundio so now I'm thinking about reseting the catalog
16:38 gerundio and re-import everything
16:38 gerundio is there any clean way to reset the catalog?
16:38 jcamins That's probably your best bet.
16:39 jcamins You can truncate biblio and the various reservoir tables.
16:40 gerundio would the Batch item deletion tool do the trick?
16:40 jcamins No.
16:40 jcamins Not at all.
16:40 jcamins It only deletes items.
16:41 gerundio I'm not a fan of using queries directly into MySQL :|
16:41 gerundio in this case there's no workaround, is that it?
16:41 jcamins No, there isn't, because it's generally considered a bad idea to make it possible to completely and irretrievably erase all your data.
16:42 jcamins Also, you'd need to truncate the various deleted_* tables.
16:42 gerundio I just found this on the Koha manual: http://manual.koha-community.o[…]/resetkohadb.html
16:43 jcamins That You can add auth_header, sessions, and zebraqueue too.
16:43 jcamins s/That //
16:43 jcamins sessions and zebraqueue are automatically truncated every so often.
16:44 jcamins (if you're using packages)
16:47 gerundio how about other tables like issues, reserves and notifies and old*?
16:47 jcamins old*?
16:47 gerundio I see old_reserves and old_issues tables in my DB
16:47 jcamins Hm.
16:47 jcamins Ah.
16:47 jcamins Have you already been circulating?
16:48 jcamins If so, you'll need to delete all that.
16:48 gerundio just for testing purposes
16:48 gerundio :D
16:48 gerundio the list goes on and on ehehehe
16:48 jcamins However, if you've already been circulating, records of any books that are out will be irretrievably lost.
16:48 jcamins druthb may have a list of which tables to *keep* prior to a final migration.
16:48 gerundio well, the number of records and items I'm importing is exactly the number of existing ones right now
16:49 gerundio so if I truncate the main tables and left these ones alone
16:49 jcamins I think those should mostly cascade.
16:49 gerundio with *a lot of* luck they would just match
16:49 jcamins Well... if the system works properly, they should be deleted.
16:50 druthb[…]lean_database.sql    will tidy up for a migration, tossing bibs, items, all non-staff borrowers, all transactional data...leaving staff users and configuration stuff.
16:51 jcamins Slick!
16:51 oleonard druthb++
16:51 gerundio druthb++
16:51 druthb aw, thanks.
16:52 * druthb blushes.
16:52 gerundio druthb, thanks but that does a lot more than what I need :D
16:52 jcamins gerundio: I think you're better off using it.
16:52 druthb you can drop out any of the lines you *know* you wanna keep, gerundio.  This is the script we use for getting ready for migrations.
16:52 jcamins If your database gets out of sync, you'll be in a much worse situation.
16:53 gerundio my problem here is that this is not a migration
16:53 gerundio it's like a big bump on the road
16:53 jcamins Right, but your options as I see them are A) keep the data you have, and fix things either using a very clever script or manually, or B) reload the data.
16:54 * druthb reads her scrollback buffer.
16:54 gerundio I'll have a careful look at the tables in that script and I'll just truncate the ones I want to reload the data into
16:54 gerundio thank you very much both of you for all the info
16:54 druthb It looks like the only problems you're having are biblio/items stuff.. have you loaded patrons?
16:54 jcamins Any attempt at a middle road is going to greatly increase your chances of a situation where my advice is "start over from scratch."
16:54 jcamins druthb: patrons are loaded on the fly from LDAP.
16:56 druthb *Snort*  Then you'll wanna run this script, as-is, gerundio.  It Works.  You're gonna need to back all the way up to biblios in any event, so I'd just do it.  Look it over, if you feel it necessary, but I use this script a *lot* for exactly the situation you describe.
16:56 gerundio druthb, I already have some patrons in the DB, loaded from LDAP like jcamins said
16:57 druthb Hosing up the bib load is common as fleas on a stray dog, even for folks who do it all the time (58 migrations last year, I think).  So wiping that without messing with configs is something I need to do *a lot*.  Thus, this script.
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16:58 gerundio well, the script mentions that the configurations and staff settings will be kept
16:58 gerundio in that case, running the script does look like the way to go
16:58 druthb Mhm.  That's why I wrote it.
16:59 jcamins Take a backup first, of course.
16:59 gerundio druthb, doesn't user_permissions contains settings for staff?
17:00 gerundio lots of backing up for sure during the works :D
17:00 druthb let me check that repo against my working copy..  I think I see some things that may be different.  sec.
17:01 gerundio ok
17:01 druthb Been a while since I pushed that repo.
17:01 gerundio brb, heading over to talk to the IT team
17:03 druthb sure enough, gerundio; I caught that problem some time back and had not pushed it.  Refreshing the page will show you the updated script.
17:07 vfernandes any problem with koha translate?
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17:08 jcamins vfernandes: you tell us. :)
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17:08 vfernandes too slow or not working at all
17:08 jcamins Still?
17:08 vfernandes started like 5 minutes ago
17:09 vfernandes it was working super quickly but then puff... :/
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17:09 jcamins druthb can say for sure, but I just clicked around and it looks pretty fast.
17:10 druthb whizzing along really good for me--no load on the server to speak of.
17:11 gerundio vfernandes, looks good to me too
17:11 gerundio although I'm just click around on some links, not doing any updates
17:11 gerundio druthb, refreshed the SQL script page
17:11 vfernandes damn :/ what's happening? :D
17:12 jcamins vfernandes: route down between you and the server?
17:12 gerundio TRUNCATE user_permissions; still remains there
17:12 vfernandes I don't know... well looks like it's time for a coffee
17:13 vfernandes portugues translations at 90%... looking good
17:13 jcamins vfernandes: :D
17:13 druthb There are only two changes--removing that line, and adding TRUNCATE message_queue;...   it updated for me, gerundio, but those are the diffs.
17:17 gerundio druthb, ok, now I see the changes... must have been some cache or something
17:17 druthb probably
17:18 gerundio thanks a lot, sure will be using it tomorrow
17:18 gerundio vfernandes++
17:18 gerundio nice christmas gift for the Portuguese users
17:19 vfernandes thank god that next week i'm on vacations... i can't see more translations xD
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17:27 druthb Getting the translation server has been a bit of mischief--but I appreciate soooooo much all the translators' hard work!
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17:54 vfernandes Bug 9279 - simple bug awaiting to be signed off...
17:54 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9279 major, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Needs Signoff , Problem with quick slip templates
18:14 rangi Morning
18:14 wahanui Morning is, like, a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast
18:15 jcamins Morning.
18:15 wahanui morning is, like, a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast
18:19 rangi @wunder nzwn
18:19 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Brooklyn, Wellington, New Zealand is 14.4°C (7:17 AM NZDT on December 20, 2012). Conditions: . Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Falling).
18:19 vfernandes guys how I can add a variable to controll the in the OPAC
18:19 jcamins First question?
18:19 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?"
18:19 vfernandes for example EnhancedMessagingPreferences controlls the appearing of my messaging page
18:20 jcamins Right, but what is it you want to do, exactly? That changes how I might tell you to do things.
18:21 vfernandes bug 9245 - the EnhancedMessagingPreferences enables the my messaging page, the goal is to have another preference to controll the page appearance in OPAC
18:21 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9245 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Visual Bug under fines tab
18:21 vfernandes bug 9254 sorry
18:21 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9254 enhancement, P2, ---, vfernandes, NEW , Problem with EnhancedMessagingPreferences
18:22 jcamins I understand.
18:22 vfernandes i already added a system preference OPACMessagingPreference
18:22 jcamins In that case, you'll want to add the variable to C4::Auth.
18:22 jcamins In the OPAC section.
18:22 vfernandes humm ok
18:23 vfernandes then in I have to change this line [% IF ( EnhancedMessagingPreferences ) %]
18:23 jcamins Right.
18:23 jcamins You can change the variable name to OPACEnhancedMessagingPreferences, for example.
18:23 vfernandes ok :)
18:26 vfernandes but OPACEnhancedMessagingPreferences should work only if EnhancedMessagingPreferences is active right?
18:27 jcamins That's up to you. :)
18:27 vfernandes [% IF ( EnhancedMessagingPreferences && OPACEnhancedMessagingPreferences) %] this is possible?
18:28 jcamins Absolutely.
18:28 vfernandes thats what I thought :)
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18:43 vfernandes thanks jcamins... patch to bug 9254 submitted
18:43 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9254 enhancement, P2, ---, vfernandes, Needs Signoff , Problem with EnhancedMessagingPreferences
18:43 jcamins vfernandes++
18:44 jcamins Oh, and I need to update the history.
18:44 vfernandes the patch commit guidelines is a good help to set the patch text...
18:44 jcamins Good!
18:45 vfernandes jcamins++
18:45 vfernandes i have to go... see you tomorrow
18:45 vfernandes bye
18:46 cait jcamins++
18:48 jcamins Okay, time to go.
18:49 cait now I scared him away
18:49 cait ...
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18:53 rangi hi NateC
18:55 cait hi NateC
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19:04 rangi ohh another new person
19:04 rangi Nadia Nicolaides
19:04 rangi bug 5634
19:04 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5634 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Ordering branches should be case independent
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19:08 cait cool :)
19:08 cait maybe you will get a special christmas present if that continues :)
19:10 rangi cait: can you fix permissions on translate?
19:10 rangi
19:10 rangi i get Permission Denied
19:11 cait when you try to do what?
19:11 rangi go to that page
19:11 rangi logged in
19:11 cait oh
19:11 rangi i can see it if im not logged in
19:11 cait werid
19:11 cait i can take a look, but I think druthb might be around too
19:11 rangi cool
19:12 * druthb is around, sort of.
19:13 cait rangi: what is your user name?
19:13 cait pootle has no user search... it's alphabetic
19:13 rangi chrisc
19:13 cait right, I am looking in the rong play anyway
19:14 cait hm you only had one permission, try again :)
19:15 jenkins_koha Starting build #34 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
19:15 rangi wow
19:15 cait hm?
19:15 rangi i think this is perhaps the best patch from a new person ever
19:16 cait oh, link?
19:16 rangi[…]ment.cgi?id=14200
19:16 rangi followed all the rules!
19:16 cait :)
19:21 cait rangi: does pootle work for you now?
19:22 rangi yep appears to
19:22 rangi thanks
19:22 cait you are welcome :)
19:22 druthb cait++
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19:39 kathryn hi #koha  }:0)
19:39 cait hi kathryn :)
19:40 kathryn there's a bucket of cookies on my desk cait, and I'm having trouble getting them eaten!
19:40 cait oh
19:40 kathryn big problems today :(
19:40 cait hehe
19:40 cait need help? :)
19:40 kathryn uh huh
19:41 * cait takes some cookies yum.
19:41 cait thx :)
19:41 kathryn no thank you!
19:42 cait are eythian and rangi not helping with the cookies? :)
19:42 * wizzyrea waves
19:42 wizzyrea how is everybody
19:43 oleonard Hi wizzyrea
19:43 wizzyrea oleonard: hi!
19:44 wizzyrea there was something I was going to ask you about and now I don't remember what it is
19:44 wizzyrea s/is/was/
19:45 cait hi wizzyrea :)
19:56 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #34: SUCCESS in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.10.x/34/
19:56 jenkins_koha * vfernandes: Bug 9144 - - Problem identifying errors
19:56 jenkins_koha * mirko: Bug 9287 - socialnetworks is enabled by default
19:56 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9144 trivial, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Pushed to Stable , - Problem identifying errors
19:56 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9287 normal, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Pushed to Stable , socialnetworks is enabled by default
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19:59 BobB good morning all
20:00 cait hi BobB :)
20:07 rangi[…]d&v=WfQ4t2E7iAU#!
20:17 BobB I have a question.
20:17 BobB I have a Koha catalogue to which we are adding another branch.
20:18 BobB I have a file of marc records that import just fine with no matching rule.
20:19 BobB I know there are exactly matching ISBNs in the file, so I have set up an ISBN matching rule.
20:19 BobB But I don't get any matches.  :(
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20:19 BobB Here are my settings:
20:20 wizzyrea what version?
20:20 wizzyrea i ask because there was a version somewhere along the line
20:20 wizzyrea where if you edited a rule, or used a new rule
20:20 wizzyrea matching wouldn't work
20:21 BobB ahh, version 3.8.6
20:21 BobB Matching rule code: ISBN, desc 020$a, threshhold 1000
20:21 wizzyrea hmm probably not that recent though
20:22 BobB matchpoint 1: index isbn, score 1001
20:23 BobB matchpoint components 020, a, 0, 0, ISBN
20:23 cait hm why 1001?
20:24 druthb Should work, if zebra is otherwise healthy and returning results from an isbn search.
20:24 BobB match check 1, source: 020, a , 0, 0, null
20:24 druthb Try tossing out the match check, BobB...shouldn't need it.
20:24 BobB target: 020, a, 0, 0, null
20:24 BobB Oh is that right?
20:24 druthb yah.
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20:25 BobB Just use the matching rule itself?
20:25 druthb yes.
20:25 BobB I think i did try that though.  But I'll try it again.  Thx.
20:25 druthb I'm not entirely sure what the match checks are *supposed* to do, even--I've never seen a rule work that had one, though.  Toss them out, and it works.  QED.
20:27 BobB Its takes half an hour to test each time ... set up a copy of the Koha, check the matching rule, import the file, wait for it to index ....
20:27 cait druthb: maybe treshold = score would help too?
20:27 BobB I'll have another go now.
20:28 cait 1000 and 1001 seems a bit unusual to me, I think we have it on the same value for the 001 rule we use
20:28 druthb Possibly, but it *shouldn't* have to be exactly equal...the threshold or greater is the way it's supposed to work.
20:28 BobB I thought the manual said it had to add up to higher, but equal obviously works for you?
20:30 BobB I haven't looked to see if there are spaces around any of the file entries, but I think they should be ignored anyway, if there?
20:30 druthb should be, yeah.
20:30 BobB ok, thx, I'll try again
20:30 druthb equal does work for me, BobB.
20:31 BobB cool, thank you.
20:31 jcamins_away BobB: when you say "exactly matching ISBNs," you mean that the ISBNs match records already in the database, not a file with duplicates, right?
20:31 BobB Correct jcamins
20:32 jcamins_away BobB: okay, I'll second druthb's recommendation.
20:47 janPasi where did koha cronjobs dissappear? :o
20:47 wizzyrea ?
20:48 janPasi shouldn't they be in /var/spool/cron/crontabs?
20:48 jcamins janPasi: they're still there.
20:48 janPasi no they aren't not in my system :O
20:48 jcamins Ummm... why would they be there?
20:48 janPasi althoug I'm sure they were there earlier?
20:48 janPasi what on earth is going on now... :D
20:48 wizzyrea what os?
20:49 jcamins I have no idea what would be in /var/spool/cron/crontabs.
20:49 jcamins I'd think it would be users' crontab files, if anything.
20:49 janPasi where are they then?
20:49 jcamins In misc/cronjobs
20:49 wizzyrea in debian they're in /etc/cron.*
20:50 wizzyrea with packages
20:50 jcamins Wait, do you mean the crontab listing, or the actual scripts?
20:50 wizzyrea but in the tarball they're in misc/cronjobs
20:50 janPasi oh, ok :D
20:50 jcamins Suddenly that question makes much more sense.
20:50 janPasi it must have been the previous slackware system that had them in /var/spool/cron
20:50 wizzyrea oh, yes probably
20:50 wizzyrea slackware!
20:51 wizzyrea brave you are.
20:51 janPasi i love slackware, but debian is easier for koha
20:51 wizzyrea ah yep
20:51 janPasi slackware would really be in need of dependency checking nowdays
20:52 janPasi it's getting too complex to manage without it
20:52 janPasi (or complicated)
20:52 BobB Ok, I've copied the Koha instance and changed the matching rule.
20:52 BobB The rule now is:
20:52 BobB Matching rule code: ISBN, desc 020$a, threshhold 1000
20:52 BobB matchpoint 1: index isbn, score 1000
20:52 BobB matchpoint components 020, a, 0, 0, ISBN
20:52 BobB No match checks.
20:52 jcamins There is always opportunity for people interested in packaging!
20:52 BobB Importing the file.
20:53 cait *fingers crossed*
20:56 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Update history with our newest committer <[…]4f30d3f4a34e08b3c>
21:01 jenkins_koha Starting build #985 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
21:07 BobB hmmm: 0 records with at least one match in catalog per matching rule "ISBN"
21:08 jcamins I'll test an ISBN matching rule.
21:09 BobB thank you jcamins
21:10 jcamins BobB: works perfectly for me.
21:10 jcamins Well... other than stage MARC import not being compatible with starman.
21:11 BobB I'll look further at the actual records, then.
21:11 jcamins BobB:
21:11 jcamins (my matching rule)
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21:12 cait jcamins++ :)
21:14 BobB There you go:  you have a field Record Type underneath the Threshhold field.  I do not have that field!
21:15 jcamins Oh, you're on 3.8?
21:15 BobB What's the tool you used to post that screenshot?
21:15 BobB Yes, 3.8.6
21:15 jcamins Jing.
21:15 jcamins Okay, ignore that field.
21:15 jcamins Prior to 3.10, importing authorities wasn't possible.
21:15 BobB Ah, OK.
21:16 BobB Not the answer then.  :(
21:16 jcamins Nope. :(
21:16 cait hm
21:17 cait could it be a search problem?
21:17 cait is search working?
21:17 BobB I will export a record and reimport it.  Then it will indisputably be a match.  :)
21:17 cait because you the import is using zebra... so if zebresrv was not running or the records were not indexed yet, no matches
21:18 BobB No cait, its the Staging utility that reports no matches.  It hasn't got as far as zebra.
21:18 cait i think the staging tool uses zebra indexes for finding the matching records
21:18 jcamins BobB: right, staging the record matches using Zebra.
21:18 jcamins If your Zebra indexes aren't up-to-date, it will match anything.
21:19 cait so maybe try a search for an isbn you think should match
21:19 BobB Wow, that could be it.  I copied the koha but did not rebuild zebra afterwards.  Two things to try now.  :)
21:20 cait good luck!
21:20 jcamins Yes, you'll have to reindex Zebra without a doubt. :)
21:34 BobB rebuilding zebra
21:41 eythian The koha community is a major force in preventing the extinction of zebras with the amount we're rebuilding.
21:41 cait hehe
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21:44 wizzyrea @quote add eythian: The koha community is a major force in preventing the extinction of zebras with the amount we're rebuilding.
21:44 huginn wizzyrea: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
21:44 wizzyrea @quote get 23
21:44 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #23: "<gmcharlt> /msg huginn register nick password" (added by wizzyrea_ at 04:25 PM, August 06, 2009)
21:45 wizzyrea @quote add eythian: The koha community is a major force in preventing the extinction of zebras with the amount we're rebuilding.
21:45 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.  Quote #225 added.
21:45 wahanui i already had it that way, wizzyrea.
21:45 wizzyrea the koha community?
21:45 wahanui the koha community is an amazing thing
21:45 wizzyrea The koha community?
21:45 wahanui rumour has it the koha community is an amazing thing
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21:58 BobB zebra done.  Importing again ...
22:07 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #985: SUCCESS in 1 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/985/
22:07 jenkins_koha jcamins: Update history with our newest committer
22:08 jcamins Hooray! Success!
22:10 cait yay :)
22:10 cait BobB: hope it's successful this time around
22:15 BobB Success!
22:15 BobB 13948 records with at least one match in catalog per matching rule "ISBN"
22:16 jcamins Yay!
22:16 BobB Two theological colleges merging, its not surprising there are a lot of matches.  :)
22:17 BobB So my take on it is this:  I was importing into a copy of the Koha but had not rebuilt the index after making the copy:
22:17 BobB so the rule found nothing to match on.
22:17 jcamins Yup, that sounds right.
22:18 BobB Zebra all along.
22:18 BobB The koha community?
22:18 wahanui rumour has it the koha community is an amazing thing
22:18 BobB wahanui: I agree!
22:18 wahanui BobB: excuse me?
22:19 BobB You're excused.
22:19 jcamins wahanui: I agree is <reply> Hear hear!
22:19 wahanui OK, jcamins.
22:19 jcamins I agree!
22:19 jcamins I agree
22:19 jcamins I agree?
22:19 jcamins wahanui: \I agree is <reply> Hear hear!
22:19 wahanui i already had it that way, jcamins.
22:19 jcamins wahanui: \I agree! is <reply> Hear hear!
22:19 wahanui OK, jcamins.
22:19 jcamins I agree!
22:19 cait I agree!
22:19 cait lol
22:20 cait eythian: I think wahanui needs more cookies
22:20 * cjh agree!
22:20 cait and I am really gone now - bye all :)
22:20 BobB lol
22:20 eythian heh
22:20 BobB thank you cait, good night!
22:20 eythian i think it's to do with trigger lengths, but I'm not really sure.
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22:20 BobB Thanks everyone, that was quite awesome
22:20 eythian wahanui: literal I agree
22:21 wahanui eythian: what?
22:21 cjh wahanui: literal I agree!
22:21 wahanui cjh: what?
22:21 eythian wahanui: literal the koha community
22:21 wahanui eythian: the koha community =is= an amazing thing
22:21 eythian wahanui: literal \I agree
22:21 wahanui eythian: i'm not following you...
22:21 eythian wahanui: literal \I agree!
22:21 wahanui eythian: i'm not following you...
22:21 cjh heh
22:21 eythian yeah, but that one didn't appear to save in a sensible form I think
22:21 jcamins jcamins agree!
22:21 cjh a disobedient bot
22:21 jcamins wahanui: literal I agree
22:21 wahanui jcamins: what?
22:22 jcamins wahanui: literal jcamins agree
22:22 wahanui jcamins: what?
22:22 cjh wahanui: Agree!
22:22 wahanui cjh: sorry...
22:22 cjh wahanui: agree!
22:22 wahanui cjh: i'm not following you...
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22:33 * mtompset needs to figure out how to not hibernate.
22:35 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
22:36 tcohen mtompset: vodka?
22:36 jcamins mtompset: ^^
22:38 mtompset Windows 7 power options. :P
22:40 eythian mtompset: apt-get remove windows ; apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
22:40 eythian or something like that
22:41 mtompset Sorry, linux games suck, and I hate dual boot.
22:41 jcamins Games?
22:41 wahanui Games are all local executables and not really part of the project per se, but they are all currently listed in a MySql db for various reasons. He has the scripts and some server-side HTML code to generate the interface.
22:41 jcamins Where on earth did that come from?
22:42 cjh wow
22:42 mtompset Good question.
22:43 eythian I thought I heard that steam had gone open beta on Linux now
22:43 * eythian has too many games lined up to play as it is. Still stuck on Braid.
22:43 eythian might revisit that over christmas.
22:44 cjh braid is a great game
22:44 eythian it really is
22:44 jcamins[…]11-06-03#i_685812
22:44 cjh I dont think steam for linux is open yet, they are just sending out more invites. at least last time I checked.
22:44 eythian I also contend the notion that it sucks, therefore mtompset is wrong :)
22:44 eythian might be that
22:44 cjh rangi got his invite :(
22:45 eythian[…]in-open-beta.html <-- looks like it's opening anyway
22:46 * cjh squints at screen
22:46 eythian[…]en-beta-next-week <-- try that one
22:46 * cjh is getting worse at this reading thing
22:46 eythian I just read the first link I got :)
22:46 cjh \o/
22:46 eythian and is often interesting
22:47 cjh the words seem interesting, cant speak for the content.
22:47 eythian Maybe you're just having a stroke or something
22:48 cjh I have been studying chemistry all morning, so ver plausible
22:48 eythian that'd do it
22:48 cjh s/very/very/ >.>
22:49 * jcamins squints at the regexed string.
22:49 jcamins Looks the same.
22:49 cjh hahaha
22:49 jcamins :P
22:49 * cjh gives up
22:50 cjh s#s/very/very/#s/ver/very/#
22:50 eythian that could be simplified a lot
22:50 jcamins lol
22:50 eythian 's/y//' would have done it
22:50 jcamins True.
22:50 jcamins No /g
22:50 eythian zactly
22:50 cjh true
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22:56 mtompset Did I mention I really dislike steam? :P
22:56 jcamins mtompset: don't move to NYC. Most buildings are heated with it.
22:57 jcamins Yes, that's right.
22:57 wahanui I know.
22:57 jcamins I've got... steeaaaammmm heat, I've got steeeaaammmm heat...
22:57 mtompset Ha ha ha.
22:58 eythian oh, this reminds me, new humble indie bundle of games out today
22:58 jcamins In the past week or so I have managed to quote Pajama Game and A Little Night Music.
22:58 jcamins That's impressive. Those are two shows that rarely come up in conversation.
22:58 jcamins In my experience.
23:03 bag jcamins: you see the hobbit yet?
23:03 jcamins bag: nope.
23:03 jcamins How was it?
23:03 bag I'm going tonight
23:03 bag in 4 hours and 45 minutes ;)
23:03 bag heh
23:04 eythian I'll tell you how it ends...
23:04 bag running to the bathroom cause it's 3 hours long!
23:04 jcamins lol
23:05 bag I'll cheer when I see ByWater on the map :)  heh
23:05 bag and get thrown out within 5 minutes of the mocvie starting
23:05 wizzyrea hehe
23:05 wizzyrea that part would be not so good.
23:05 * eythian saw it in what turns out to be among the worlds most advanced theatres, as it was super-upgraded for this movie
23:05 wizzyrea !
23:05 bag that's soo freaking cool
23:05 wizzyrea how did you find the extra special framerate
23:06 eythian a bit odd to get used to, but once things get moving you forget all about it
23:06 bag I'm going to a theater that has 48fps and 3d but not a massive big screen
23:06 wizzyrea i read that it's actually a hardware problem with humans
23:06 wizzyrea that we can't actually process that much data.
23:06 eythian the world is >48fps
23:06 wizzyrea tech has officially surpassed the human ability concieve of it
23:06 bag really but we see in something close to 60fps or so
23:06 wizzyrea ah no it isn't
23:06 wizzyrea ;)
23:07 wizzyrea your brain can only process ~35 fps
23:07 bag ahhh
23:07 bag not my brain - maybe yours
23:07 wizzyrea then things get weird and you start getting dropped frames
23:07 bag I'm rocking about 5fps
23:07 eythian in that case, >35fps wouldn't matter.
23:07 wizzyrea exactly!
23:08 * wizzyrea will find the article
23:08 wizzyrea it was really interesting
23:08 eythian although, the brain isn't a digital device with a fixed clock cycle, so I'm not sure it's reasonable to make comparisons like that.
23:08 wizzyrea well yes, that's a digital-ised comparison
23:08 jcamins wizzyrea: I read an article about how the reason the framerate is fixed where it is is that it was an early technical limitation, and when they developed the technology for faster refresh, people thought it looked amateurish.
23:08 jcamins (because the silver screen wasn't high fps)
23:09 wizzyrea this is something else I think
23:09 wizzyrea besides that
23:09 eythian it does, the start of it looks like a made-for-tv BBC documentary with people from þe olden timeys.
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23:09 wizzyrea (that may be true too)
23:09 * wizzyrea notices this on new tv's and always has to turn off the color correction that does it
23:09 eythian I'm not toally sure if it's the fps or the lighting that does that though. I'd need to compare it in 24fps to know
23:13 BobB @seen mtj
23:13 huginn BobB: mtj was last seen in #koha 6 days, 17 hours, 42 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <mtj> ooh, i felt that one  ->[…]aland/2012p938451
23:13 BobB hope it didn
23:13 BobB 't kill him?
23:14 BobB Is mtj on christmas hollies already?
23:15 mtompset I saw it opening night 10pm in theatres.
23:15 mtompset It was pretty good. 3D was pretty lame for the most part though. :(
23:16 jcamins Hey, I saw a sign at a movie theatre that said that they showed movies in 3D, too.
23:16 jcamins Is that a new thing that's common?
23:16 mtompset It's a marketing gimmick for which they charge $1.50 more (or whatever)
23:17 jcamins Given that movie tickets are approach $20, I generally avoid going to movies anyway.
23:17 mtompset $20?!
23:18 bag I love the 3D movies
23:18 mtompset Avatar in 3D was good use of 3D.
23:18 mtompset Hobbit in 3D ... sucky use of 3D.
23:18 bag cause for years and years it never worked for me - I'm red/green color blind
23:18 bag but with the new polarized 3D techies I can see it and really enjoy it
23:18 mtompset Ah, so the newer 3D works for you?
23:18 mtompset Cool.
23:19 jcamins Yeah, I think it was $16/person last time we went to the cinema.
23:19 bag yup Avatar was the first one that really ever worked for me - and really popped off the screen
23:19 bag jcamins: 12 bucks here
23:20 mtompset Also, some theatres are letting you choose your seat when you purchase the ticket.
23:20 jcamins I remember paying $7/ticket.
23:20 mtompset That costs extra too.
23:20 jcamins Not here.
23:20 jcamins You get a crappy seat and still pay a fortune.
23:20 bag I remember $2 a ticket :P
23:22 jcamins Oh, this theatre charges only $11.
23:22 bag heh
23:22 jcamins It's also ~3 miles away.
23:23 jcamins And no subway.
23:26 drojf oh. cinema. the place where you pay a lot of money to watch all these "'piracy' is bad, mkay" commercials, other commercials, get spy'd on with infrared deviced, pay tons of money for a drink and have to listen to strangers eating popcorn and chips for hours. i remember that. good old times.
23:27 * jcamins doesn't like going to films.
23:28 tcohen_ avatar sucked both in 2D and 3D :-P
23:28 jcamins tcohen_: good, that means I don't have to feel bad about not having seen it.
23:28 drojf i was going to say i did not visit a cinema the whole year but it's not true. i have seen a few greenlandic movies at a small film festival, that was pretty nice (w/o commercials, ok ticket prices and not too many people inside)
23:28 mtompset I'm not talking plot, tcohen_. :P
23:28 jcamins I know it's blue.
23:28 jcamins Or green.
23:29 * jcamins has trouble telling the difference between blue and green.
23:29 jcamins But I definitely know the pictures of Avatar were all blue or green.
23:29 tcohen_ heh
23:30 tcohen_ I hope we see some nice Miyazaki's film in 3D soon
23:30 mtompset My driving continues. Have a good day (24 hour period).
23:31 jcamins Ooh! I've actually seen two of his films (on DVD)!
23:32 jcamins (this is exciting because whenever the conversation turns to film, I generally have absolutely no frame of reference... I'm never been a film buff)
23:32 tcohen_ Princess MOnonoke?
23:32 jcamins Nope. Howl's Moving Castle and Spirited Away.
23:32 bag I love going to the movies
23:32 bag I like the big screen
23:33 bag my brother works in hollywood so maybe I got that from him
23:33 tcohen_ both really nice films, a bit sad the first
23:33 tcohen_ leaving, asado ahead byeeee #koha
23:45 cjh howl's moving castle is fantastic.
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