Time  Nick         Message
01:37 Oak          kia ora #koha
01:37 Oak          cait, you did not go to sleep last night?
06:24 rangi        @wunder nzwn
06:24 huginn       rangi: The current temperature in Brooklyn, Wellington, New Zealand is 21.3°C (7:23 PM NZDT on December 19, 2012). Conditions: . Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Falling).
06:24 rangi        its hot!
06:24 bag          @wunder 93109
06:24 huginn       bag: The current temperature in East Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 8.5°C (10:16 PM PST on December 18, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.05 in 1018 hPa (Rising).  Wind Advisory in effect until 7 am PST Wednesday... 
06:25 bag          cold here - major win for rangi there
06:25 rangi        heh
06:25 rangi        that must be about as cold as it gets?
06:33 cait         oh hi bag :)
06:33 bag          heya cait
06:33 bag          rangi: pretty close
06:33 bag          I think maybe down to 4 or 5 early in the morning
06:45 cjh          it's very warm in the office, our corner was getting a nice dose of afternoon sun.
06:46 rangi        ah yeah the aircon will be off now
07:32 alex_a_      bonjour
07:33 rangi        hi alex_a_
07:34 gaetan_B     hello
07:44 reiveune     hello
08:17 kf           moring #koha
08:17 rangi        hi kf
08:17 kf           heya rangi
08:18 paul_p       morning #koha
08:18 kf           morning paul_p
08:18 rangi        hi paul_p
08:20 kf           hi julian_m
08:21 julian_m     hi kf
08:21 julian_m     hi #koha
08:21 rangi        hi julian_m
08:29 bag          heya paul_p and julian_m
09:07 kroditi      :paul_p good morning
09:08 paul_p       good morning kroditi !
09:09 kroditi      paul_p: good morning, I cannot log in translation project, could it be because of the server change?
09:09 paul_p       kroditi it's strange. It should not, because afaik, there has been no move those days. The move was before I created your account. I try to log in, just a moment pls
09:10 kroditi      ok
09:10 paul_p       kroditi = no problem to login for me. Are you sure you don't make a mistake ? have you tried the "lost password" procedure ?
09:10 * paul_p     must leave for a meeting
09:10 kroditi      paul_p: no, i will now
09:11 kroditi      paul_p: thank you
09:12 kroditi      paul_p: I am sure for my credentials, just wanted to make sure that all new accounts have been transferred to the new server before I tried to reset my password
09:12 * paul_p     at a meeting
09:23 kf           kroditi: the server has been moved another time, but you should be able to login I think - if there is a problem you can give me your username and I can take a look
09:27 kroditi      kf: hello, I cannot complete the procedure of password reset
09:28 kf           i can reset it for you - if you give me your user name
09:28 kroditi      kf: my username is kroditi@elidoc.gr
09:34 kf           I will take a look - give me a few minutes
09:34 kroditi      kf: thank you!
09:35 kf           hm
09:35 kf           you acount is active
09:35 kf           user name is krodity
09:35 kf           sorry
09:35 kf           kroditi
09:35 kf           I don't see your password
09:35 kroditi      kf: no domain at the end?
09:35 kf           no domain
09:36 kroditi      kf: let try once again with the old password
09:37 kroditi      kf: it worked
09:38 kroditi      kf: I apologise for the inconvinience
09:39 kf           no inconvenience
09:39 kf           happy it works now
09:42 kroditi      kf: thank you! could you please advise me for something else? how can I download a .po file for greek system preferences? the file paul_p gave me has an encoding issue and the greek characters do not show!
09:43 kf           brb
09:53 kf           when you are logged in
09:54 kf           kroditi: go to the review tab
09:54 kf           on top is a link to download a zip file
09:54 kf           but there seems to be a problem with permissions currently hm.
09:55 kf           @later tell druthb - there is a permission error when trying to download po files from pootle - could you take a look? I tried greek - review tab - download zip and po file
09:55 huginn       kf: The operation succeeded.
10:01 kf           kroditi: sorry, I cannot fix the permission problem, we will have to wait for the translation manager druthb to take a look at the problem
10:01 kroditi      kf: I have two options download or download XLIFF. Is that due to my permissions?
10:02 kf           the zip link is on top f all
10:02 kf           of the page
10:02 kf           you don't see it?
10:03 kf           download shoudl work too - to give you a single po file
10:03 kf           but I think the permission problem prevents it currently
10:06 kroditi      kf: on top of the page All I can see is that there are 3 files, and all download links are under each po file. So, waiting for the permission issue to resolve and give another try
10:10 kroditi      kf: that is odd. the preferences po file is the only file I can download with no permission errors, but greek characters appear "broken" again!
10:10 kf           hm
10:10 kf           that is a bit weir
10:10 kf           d
10:11 kf           I am not sure
10:11 kf           druthb is in US so she won't be around for a bit longer
10:11 kroditi      the odd thing is that on translate tab, and on my browser's tab the characters appear correctly
10:12 kf           hm could it be your editor?
10:12 kf           which editor are you using to open the po file?
10:12 kroditi      Poedit
10:12 kf           I know that the pref file is missing a encoding declartion or something, so it gives me trouble too
10:13 kf           maybe try to tell poedit to use utf8
10:13 kroditi      I tried changing the encoding, but nothing changes
10:13 kroditi      and when I reopen the editor, it is still under iso encoding
10:14 kroditi      so, maybe the best option is to translate preferences online!
10:14 drojf        good day #koha
10:16 kf           kroditi: the pref file and poedit are not working well - I think it's a problem with the file
10:16 kf           maybe file a bug for it, it would be good to have it documented
10:17 kf           if pootle shows it correct, I would start translating there, note that for the pref, don't translate the #something part at the beginning of the string, you can take a look at german or french how it's done there
10:17 kf           hi dr
10:17 kf           hi drojf
10:17 drojf        hi kf
10:17 drojf        as i said before, you can call me dr. drojf if you like ;)
10:17 kroditi      kf: ok. thank you very much for the help!
10:24 kf           drojf: I already give you a lot of karma, calling you dr goes too far
10:27 bag          well good night #koha
10:27 kf           good night bag
10:31 drojf        kf: aaaw
11:42 vfernandes   hello
12:01 gerundio     oi vfernandes
12:02 gerundio     guys, is it possible to revert an import?
12:06 kf           gerundio: how did you do the import?
12:06 gerundio     is the "Matching rule applied" and "Action if matching record found" on the "Manage staged MARC records" tool working properly?
12:06 gerundio     kf, using the Manage staged MARC records
12:06 kf           yes, then you can revert it
12:06 gerundio     the problem is there are some missing barcode on the imported records
12:07 kf           hm
12:07 gerundio     which I now want to update
12:07 kf           did you check if those were duplicates?
12:07 kf           and you can't update barcodes
12:07 kf           you will have to delete and reimport the items
12:07 kf           all the matching only applies to the bibliotgraphic records, not to items
12:07 gerundio     I was now looking at the "Matching rule applied" and "Action if matching record found" settings on  "Manage staged MARC records" tool
12:07 gerundio     ohhhh
12:07 gerundio     thanks for the info
12:07 kf           but the revert also removes the items :)
12:08 gerundio     how can I revert it then?
12:08 kf           there is a button on the manage staged marc records page
12:09 gerundio     I have 2 imports listed in my "Manage staged MARC records" table
12:09 gerundio     only the 2nd one shows a "Clean" button on the "Action" collumn
12:09 gerundio     is that it?
12:10 kf           don't click clean
12:10 kf           click to see the records
12:10 kf           of the batch
12:10 gerundio     ok
12:10 kf           and then there is the button below the first table It hink
12:10 gerundio     "Undo import into catalog", is that it?
12:10 kf           yep
12:11 kf           I think if you clean you can't undo after
12:11 gerundio     hopefully I have DB backups during this actions :D
12:11 gerundio     thanks again kf
12:11 kf           you are welcome
12:58 mtompset     Greetings, #koha.
13:16 jenkins_koha Starting build #256 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 7 mo 25 days ago)
13:16 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #256: STILL FAILING in 1 min 32 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/256/
13:16 jenkins_koha * nengard: update note about required email for registration
13:16 jenkins_koha * nengard: add patron self editing section
13:19 jcamins_away @later tell oleonard Do I need to do something special to activate 9166? It doesn't seem to work on "My personal details."
13:19 huginn       jcamins_away: The operation succeeded.
13:20 jcamins      Wow.
13:20 jcamins      That was amazing.
13:21 jcamins      It's my RM superpower!
13:21 oleonard     And I just missed it?
13:21 kf           lol
13:21 jcamins      Good morning, oleonard.
13:21 kf           summoning oleonard?
13:21 kf           I am jealous :)
13:21 jcamins      Yes!
13:21 kf           and good morning to both of you :)
13:22 kf           bug 9166
13:22 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9166 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , OPAC needs configuration file for datepicker
13:22 jcamins      I've continued testing, and it turns out that it works on the place hold page.
13:22 kf           ah cool :)
13:23 kf           I was about to suggest activating the holds future thing
13:23 oleonard     But the datepicker doesn't work on opac-user.pl?
13:23 jcamins      Sort of.
13:23 jcamins      Hm.
13:23 jcamins      The calendar icon vanished.
13:24 jcamins      It doesn't work on opac-memberentry.pl.
13:25 jcamins      I can't find a calendar on opac-user.pl.
13:26 oleonard     On the holds tab, at the bottom, the "suspend all holds" control.
13:27 jcamins      Oh, I bet I need to already have a hold.
13:27 jcamins      Yes.
13:28 jcamins      Hm. I'm not sure the language thing is working.
13:28 jcamins      I'll try updating the language again.
13:31 kf           you wil probably have to check the po files
13:32 kf           for the string to appear
13:32 jcamins      Oh, good point.
13:33 jcamins      It appears in the PO file, and is translated.
13:34 * jcamins    thinks he isn't going to figure this out in the next five minutes.
13:34 jcamins      I will look at this again tonight or tomorrow when I'm at home.
13:35 jcamins      You can do a follow-up for opac-memberentry.pl, so that the patch that already passed QA can be pushed (assuming I get it to work).
13:35 kf           jcamins: does it say fuzzy?
13:35 kf           #fuzzy or similar?
13:35 jcamins      No.
13:35 kf           hmm
13:36 kf           surprising
13:36 tcohen       hi kf, jcamins
13:36 kf           hi tcohen
13:41 oleonard     Oh, opac-memberentry.pl is the new patron self-registration page. That's why it wasn't covered by my patch.
13:53 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9104: country in CSV in overdue_notices.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c0d2db7781e24ca00691620733072b3c0573fb35> / Bug 8125 Sip addess should include all address fields <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=570372b24ef081aca5bbb8aea8a1462fced14e68> / Bug 9287 - socialnetworks is enabled by default <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdi
13:55 drojf        can somebody tell me how i get into a terminal in android?
13:57 drojf        or rather, do i get there at all if it's new/unrooted?
13:58 gerundio     drojf, I think not
13:58 gerundio     I have an unrooter Android phone
13:58 gerundio     unrooted ^^
13:59 gerundio     http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/Guide:Using_the_Terminal
13:59 gerundio     check this article from XDA
14:00 jenkins_koha Starting build #984 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED)
14:00 drojf        gerundio: thanks!
14:00 gerundio     drojf, https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=berserker.android.apps.sshdroid&hl=en, SSHDroid says Root is optional but not required to run this application.
14:00 gerundio     so I guess I might be wrong
14:02 drojf        ok i can't install anything anyway because there is no google account in there yet. (not my device)
14:02 drojf        but thanks
14:18 gerundio     drojf, can't help with that... Android device with no Google account assign is just a cool paperweight
14:22 drojf        gerundio: lol. yeah my boss is out for lunch. anyway i would have to root that thing to repair wifi access to eduroam. i don't think that is something i am going to do in my office hours (or my spare time)...
14:22 gerundio     "repair wifi access to eduroam"?
14:22 drojf        "why did you buy a non-free device?" is a valid answer too
14:22 drojf        http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=34212
14:22 drojf        apparently that is a bug
14:24 gerundio     hmm, I'm still using Gingerbread on my Xperia X10
14:24 gerundio     I can connect to eduroam just fine
14:24 drojf        with user certificate?
14:25 gerundio     no certificate :)
14:25 drojf        doesn't work with username/password either on this device
14:26 drojf        it's 4.0.4. jelly bean i think (i don't know much about android...)
14:26 gerundio     I have one for over 1 year now and I just have a regular non smartphone usage
14:27 gerundio     no internet plan
14:27 gerundio     just use wifi connection to update the apps and play song pop
14:27 gerundio     not the average Android user for sure :)
14:30 jenkins_koha Starting build #257 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 7 mo 25 days ago)
14:30 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #257: STILL FAILING in 17 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/257/
14:30 jenkins_koha nengard: update patron categories admin
14:44 druthb       o/
15:07 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #984: SUCCESS in 1 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/984/
15:07 jenkins_koha * mirko: Bug 9287 - socialnetworks is enabled by default
15:07 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 8125 Sip addess should include all address fields
15:07 jenkins_koha * fridolyn.somers: Bug 9104: country in CSV in overdue_notices.pl
15:07 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9287 normal, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Pushed to Master , socialnetworks is enabled by default
15:07 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8125 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , SIP should send Zipcode with address
15:07 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9104 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , country in CSV in overdue_notices.pl
15:10 kf           bye all
16:03 gerundio     how can I add a record matching rule to use in the Stage MARC records for import tool?
16:04 gerundio     found it: Home › Administration › Record matching rules › Add record matching rule
16:05 reiveune     bye
16:13 gerundio     anyone experienced in creating record matching rules?
16:13 gerundio     I want something as simple as matching records using the ISBN MARC field
16:30 jcamins_away gerundio: there's a sample rule for that.
16:33 gerundio     jcamins, I'm looking at the example in http://manual.koha-community.org/3.8/en/catadmin.html, section 4.7. Record Matching Rules
16:35 jcamins      Ignore the code and description. They have nothing to do with the actual rule.
16:36 jcamins      Other than that, looks fine.
16:36 jcamins      That's for the control number, obviously.
16:36 gerundio     I guess I just have to change the Tag and Subfields values
16:37 gerundio     but right now my problem just grew bigger
16:37 gerundio     I was told that in our library we have multiple records for the same book
16:37 gerundio     instead of 1 record + multiple items
16:37 gerundio     so I guess there's no matching rule that can save me in this case
16:37 jcamins      Also the index.
16:38 jcamins      That's correct.
16:38 gerundio     so now I'm thinking about reseting the catalog
16:38 gerundio     and re-import everything
16:38 gerundio     is there any clean way to reset the catalog?
16:38 jcamins      That's probably your best bet.
16:39 jcamins      You can truncate biblio and the various reservoir tables.
16:40 gerundio     would the Batch item deletion tool do the trick?
16:40 jcamins      No.
16:40 jcamins      Not at all.
16:40 jcamins      It only deletes items.
16:41 gerundio     I'm not a fan of using queries directly into MySQL :|
16:41 gerundio     in this case there's no workaround, is that it?
16:41 jcamins      No, there isn't, because it's generally considered a bad idea to make it possible to completely and irretrievably erase all your data.
16:42 jcamins      Also, you'd need to truncate the various deleted_* tables.
16:42 gerundio     I just found this on the Koha manual: http://manual.koha-community.org/3.8/en/resetkohadb.html
16:43 jcamins      That You can add auth_header, sessions, and zebraqueue too.
16:43 jcamins      s/That //
16:43 jcamins      sessions and zebraqueue are automatically truncated every so often.
16:44 jcamins      (if you're using packages)
16:47 gerundio     how about other tables like issues, reserves and notifies and old*?
16:47 jcamins      old*?
16:47 gerundio     I see old_reserves and old_issues tables in my DB
16:47 jcamins      Hm.
16:47 jcamins      Ah.
16:47 jcamins      Have you already been circulating?
16:48 jcamins      If so, you'll need to delete all that.
16:48 gerundio     just for testing purposes
16:48 gerundio     :D
16:48 gerundio     the list goes on and on ehehehe
16:48 jcamins      However, if you've already been circulating, records of any books that are out will be irretrievably lost.
16:48 jcamins      druthb may have a list of which tables to *keep* prior to a final migration.
16:48 gerundio     well, the number of records and items I'm importing is exactly the number of existing ones right now
16:49 gerundio     so if I truncate the main tables and left these ones alone
16:49 jcamins      I think those should mostly cascade.
16:49 gerundio     with *a lot of* luck they would just match
16:49 jcamins      Well... if the system works properly, they should be deleted.
16:50 druthb       https://www.gitorious.org/koha-toolbox/koha-migration-toolbox/blobs/master/mysql/clean_database.sql    will tidy up for a migration, tossing bibs, items, all non-staff borrowers, all transactional data...leaving staff users and configuration stuff.
16:51 jcamins      Slick!
16:51 oleonard     druthb++
16:51 gerundio     druthb++
16:51 druthb       aw, thanks.
16:52 * druthb     blushes.
16:52 gerundio     druthb, thanks but that does a lot more than what I need :D
16:52 jcamins      gerundio: I think you're better off using it.
16:52 druthb       you can drop out any of the lines you *know* you wanna keep, gerundio.  This is the script we use for getting ready for migrations.
16:52 jcamins      If your database gets out of sync, you'll be in a much worse situation.
16:53 gerundio     my problem here is that this is not a migration
16:53 gerundio     it's like a big bump on the road
16:53 jcamins      Right, but your options as I see them are A) keep the data you have, and fix things either using a very clever script or manually, or B) reload the data.
16:54 * druthb     reads her scrollback buffer.
16:54 gerundio     I'll have a careful look at the tables in that script and I'll just truncate the ones I want to reload the data into
16:54 gerundio     thank you very much both of you for all the info
16:54 druthb       It looks like the only problems you're having are biblio/items stuff.. have you loaded patrons?
16:54 jcamins      Any attempt at a middle road is going to greatly increase your chances of a situation where my advice is "start over from scratch."
16:54 jcamins      druthb: patrons are loaded on the fly from LDAP.
16:56 druthb       *Snort*  Then you'll wanna run this script, as-is, gerundio.  It Works.  You're gonna need to back all the way up to biblios in any event, so I'd just do it.  Look it over, if you feel it necessary, but I use this script a *lot* for exactly the situation you describe.
16:56 gerundio     druthb, I already have some patrons in the DB, loaded from LDAP like jcamins said
16:57 druthb       Hosing up the bib load is common as fleas on a stray dog, even for folks who do it all the time (58 migrations last year, I think).  So wiping that without messing with configs is something I need to do *a lot*.  Thus, this script.
16:58 gerundio     well, the script mentions that the configurations and staff settings will be kept
16:58 gerundio     in that case, running the script does look like the way to go
16:58 druthb       Mhm.  That's why I wrote it.
16:59 jcamins      Take a backup first, of course.
16:59 gerundio     druthb, doesn't user_permissions contains settings for staff?
17:00 gerundio     lots of backing up for sure during the works :D
17:00 druthb       let me check that repo against my working copy..  I think I see some things that may be different.  sec.
17:01 gerundio     ok
17:01 druthb       Been a while since I pushed that repo.
17:01 gerundio     brb, heading over to talk to the IT team
17:03 druthb       sure enough, gerundio; I caught that problem some time back and had not pushed it.  Refreshing the page will show you the updated script.
17:07 vfernandes   any problem with koha translate?
17:08 jcamins      vfernandes: you tell us. :)
17:08 vfernandes   too slow or not working at all
17:08 jcamins      Still?
17:08 vfernandes   started like 5 minutes ago
17:09 vfernandes   it was working super quickly but then puff... :/
17:09 jcamins      druthb can say for sure, but I just clicked around and it looks pretty fast.
17:10 druthb       whizzing along really good for me--no load on the server to speak of.
17:11 gerundio     vfernandes, looks good to me too
17:11 gerundio     although I'm just click around on some links, not doing any updates
17:11 gerundio     druthb, refreshed the SQL script page
17:11 vfernandes   damn :/ what's happening? :D
17:12 jcamins      vfernandes: route down between you and the server?
17:12 gerundio     TRUNCATE user_permissions; still remains there
17:12 vfernandes   I don't know... well looks like it's time for a coffee
17:13 vfernandes   portugues translations at 90%... looking good
17:13 jcamins      vfernandes: :D
17:13 druthb       There are only two changes--removing that line, and adding TRUNCATE message_queue;...   it updated for me, gerundio, but those are the diffs.
17:17 gerundio     druthb, ok, now I see the changes... must have been some cache or something
17:17 druthb       probably
17:18 gerundio     thanks a lot, sure will be using it tomorrow
17:18 gerundio     vfernandes++
17:18 gerundio     nice christmas gift for the Portuguese users
17:19 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @clrh: "1.0 dans les bacs \o/ http://t.co/YHMZ8eLM #ils #sigb #opac #drupal #kohails"
17:19 vfernandes   thank god that next week i'm on vacations... i can't see more translations xD
17:27 druthb       Getting the translation server has been a bit of mischief--but I appreciate soooooo much all the translators' hard work!
17:54 vfernandes   Bug 9279 - simple bug awaiting to be signed off...
17:54 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9279 major, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Needs Signoff , Problem with quick slip templates
18:14 rangi        Morning
18:14 wahanui      Morning is, like, a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast
18:15 jcamins      Morning.
18:15 wahanui      morning is, like, a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast
18:19 rangi        @wunder nzwn
18:19 huginn       rangi: The current temperature in Brooklyn, Wellington, New Zealand is 14.4°C (7:17 AM NZDT on December 20, 2012). Conditions: . Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Falling).
18:19 vfernandes   guys how I can add a variable to controll the usermenu.inc in the OPAC
18:19 jcamins      First question?
18:19 wahanui      "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?"
18:19 vfernandes   for example EnhancedMessagingPreferences controlls the appearing of my messaging page
18:20 jcamins      Right, but what is it you want to do, exactly? That changes how I might tell you to do things.
18:21 vfernandes   bug 9245 - the EnhancedMessagingPreferences enables the my messaging page, the goal is to have another preference to controll the page appearance in OPAC
18:21 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9245 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Visual Bug under fines tab
18:21 vfernandes   bug 9254 sorry
18:21 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9254 enhancement, P2, ---, vfernandes, NEW , Problem with EnhancedMessagingPreferences
18:22 jcamins      I understand.
18:22 vfernandes   i already added a system preference OPACMessagingPreference
18:22 jcamins      In that case, you'll want to add the variable to C4::Auth.
18:22 jcamins      In the OPAC section.
18:22 vfernandes   humm ok
18:23 vfernandes   then in usermenu.inc I have to change this line [% IF ( EnhancedMessagingPreferences ) %]
18:23 jcamins      Right.
18:23 jcamins      You can change the variable name to OPACEnhancedMessagingPreferences, for example.
18:23 vfernandes   ok :)
18:26 vfernandes   but OPACEnhancedMessagingPreferences should work only if EnhancedMessagingPreferences is active right?
18:27 jcamins      That's up to you. :)
18:27 vfernandes   [% IF ( EnhancedMessagingPreferences && OPACEnhancedMessagingPreferences) %] this is possible?
18:28 jcamins      Absolutely.
18:28 vfernandes   thats what I thought :)
18:43 vfernandes   thanks jcamins... patch to bug 9254 submitted
18:43 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9254 enhancement, P2, ---, vfernandes, Needs Signoff , Problem with EnhancedMessagingPreferences
18:43 jcamins      vfernandes++
18:44 jcamins      Oh, and I need to update the history.
18:44 vfernandes   the patch commit guidelines is a good help to set the patch text...
18:44 jcamins      Good!
18:45 vfernandes   jcamins++
18:45 vfernandes   i have to go... see you tomorrow
18:45 vfernandes   bye
18:46 cait         jcamins++
18:48 jcamins      Okay, time to go.
18:49 cait         now I scared him away
18:49 cait         ...
18:53 rangi        hi NateC
18:55 cait         hi NateC
19:04 rangi        ohh another new person
19:04 rangi        Nadia Nicolaides
19:04 rangi        bug 5634
19:04 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5634 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Ordering branches should be case independent
19:08 cait         cool :)
19:08 cait         maybe you will get a special christmas present if that continues :)
19:10 rangi        cait: can you fix permissions on translate?
19:10 rangi        http://translate.koha-community.org/en_NZ/
19:10 rangi        i get Permission Denied
19:11 cait         when you try to do what?
19:11 rangi        go to that page
19:11 rangi        logged in
19:11 cait         oh
19:11 rangi        i can see it if im not logged in
19:11 cait         werid
19:11 cait         i can take a look, but I think druthb might be around too
19:11 rangi        cool
19:12 * druthb     is around, sort of.
19:13 cait         rangi: what is your user name?
19:13 cait         pootle has no user search... it's alphabetic
19:13 rangi        chrisc
19:13 cait         right, I am looking in the rong play anyway
19:14 cait         hm you only had one permission, try again :)
19:15 jenkins_koha Starting build #34 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
19:15 rangi        wow
19:15 cait         hm?
19:15 rangi        i think this is perhaps the best patch from a new person ever
19:16 cait         oh, link?
19:16 rangi        http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=14200
19:16 rangi        followed all the rules!
19:16 cait         :)
19:19 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Linking to Authorities in Koha 3.8 and 3.10 http://t.co/I78IZPC1 #kohails"
19:21 cait         rangi: does pootle work for you now?
19:22 rangi        yep appears to
19:22 rangi        thanks
19:22 cait         you are welcome :)
19:22 druthb       cait++
19:39 kathryn      hi #koha  }:0)
19:39 cait         hi kathryn :)
19:40 kathryn      there's a bucket of cookies on my desk cait, and I'm having trouble getting them eaten!
19:40 cait         oh
19:40 kathryn      big problems today :(
19:40 cait         hehe
19:40 cait         need help? :)
19:40 kathryn      uh huh
19:41 * cait       takes some cookies yum.
19:41 cait         thx :)
19:41 kathryn      no thank you!
19:42 cait         are eythian and rangi not helping with the cookies? :)
19:42 * wizzyrea   waves
19:42 wizzyrea     how is everybody
19:43 oleonard     Hi wizzyrea
19:43 wizzyrea     oleonard: hi!
19:44 wizzyrea     there was something I was going to ask you about and now I don't remember what it is
19:44 wizzyrea     s/is/was/
19:45 cait         hi wizzyrea :)
19:56 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #34: SUCCESS in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/34/
19:56 jenkins_koha * vfernandes: Bug 9144 - bulkmarcimport.pl - Problem identifying errors
19:56 jenkins_koha * mirko: Bug 9287 - socialnetworks is enabled by default
19:56 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9144 trivial, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Pushed to Stable , bulkmarcimport.pl - Problem identifying errors
19:56 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9287 normal, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Pushed to Stable , socialnetworks is enabled by default
19:59 BobB         good morning all
20:00 cait         hi BobB :)
20:07 rangi        http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WfQ4t2E7iAU#!
20:17 BobB         I have a question.
20:17 BobB         I have a Koha catalogue to which we are adding another branch.
20:18 BobB         I have a file of marc records that import just fine with no matching rule.
20:19 BobB         I know there are exactly matching ISBNs in the file, so I have set up an ISBN matching rule.
20:19 BobB         But I don't get any matches.  :(
20:19 BobB         Here are my settings:
20:20 wizzyrea     what version?
20:20 wizzyrea     i ask because there was a version somewhere along the line
20:20 wizzyrea     where if you edited a rule, or used a new rule
20:20 wizzyrea     matching wouldn't work
20:21 BobB         ahh, version 3.8.6
20:21 BobB         Matching rule code: ISBN, desc 020$a, threshhold 1000
20:21 wizzyrea     hmm probably not that recent though
20:22 BobB         matchpoint 1: index isbn, score 1001
20:23 BobB         matchpoint components 020, a, 0, 0, ISBN
20:23 cait         hm why 1001?
20:24 druthb       Should work, if zebra is otherwise healthy and returning results from an isbn search.
20:24 BobB         match check 1, source: 020, a , 0, 0, null
20:24 druthb       Try tossing out the match check, BobB...shouldn't need it.
20:24 BobB         target: 020, a, 0, 0, null
20:24 BobB         Oh is that right?
20:24 druthb       yah.
20:25 BobB         Just use the matching rule itself?
20:25 druthb       yes.
20:25 BobB         I think i did try that though.  But I'll try it again.  Thx.
20:25 druthb       I'm not entirely sure what the match checks are *supposed* to do, even--I've never seen a rule work that had one, though.  Toss them out, and it works.  QED.
20:27 BobB         Its takes half an hour to test each time ... set up a copy of the Koha, check the matching rule, import the file, wait for it to index ....
20:27 cait         druthb: maybe treshold = score would help too?
20:27 BobB         I'll have another go now.
20:28 cait         1000 and 1001 seems a bit unusual to me, I think we have it on the same value for the 001 rule we use
20:28 druthb       Possibly, but it *shouldn't* have to be exactly equal...the threshold or greater is the way it's supposed to work.
20:28 BobB         I thought the manual said it had to add up to higher, but equal obviously works for you?
20:30 BobB         I haven't looked to see if there are spaces around any of the file entries, but I think they should be ignored anyway, if there?
20:30 druthb       should be, yeah.
20:30 BobB         ok, thx, I'll try again
20:30 druthb       equal does work for me, BobB.
20:31 BobB         cool, thank you.
20:31 jcamins_away BobB: when you say "exactly matching ISBNs," you mean that the ISBNs match records already in the database, not a file with duplicates, right?
20:31 BobB         Correct jcamins
20:32 jcamins_away BobB: okay, I'll second druthb's recommendation.
20:32 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails  Linking to Authorities in Koha 3.8 and 3.10 http://t.co/s48YnBkM"
20:47 janPasi      where did koha cronjobs dissappear? :o
20:47 wizzyrea     ?
20:48 janPasi      shouldn't they be in /var/spool/cron/crontabs?
20:48 jcamins      janPasi: they're still there.
20:48 janPasi      no they aren't not in my system :O
20:48 jcamins      Ummm... why would they be there?
20:48 janPasi      althoug I'm sure they were there earlier?
20:48 janPasi      what on earth is going on now... :D
20:48 wizzyrea     what os?
20:49 jcamins      I have no idea what would be in /var/spool/cron/crontabs.
20:49 jcamins      I'd think it would be users' crontab files, if anything.
20:49 janPasi      where are they then?
20:49 jcamins      In misc/cronjobs
20:49 wizzyrea     in debian they're in /etc/cron.*
20:50 wizzyrea     with packages
20:50 jcamins      Wait, do you mean the crontab listing, or the actual scripts?
20:50 wizzyrea     but in the tarball they're in misc/cronjobs
20:50 janPasi      oh, ok :D
20:50 jcamins      Suddenly that question makes much more sense.
20:50 janPasi      it must have been the previous slackware system that had them in /var/spool/cron
20:50 wizzyrea     oh, yes probably
20:50 wizzyrea     slackware!
20:51 wizzyrea     brave you are.
20:51 janPasi      i love slackware, but debian is easier for koha
20:51 wizzyrea     ah yep
20:51 janPasi      slackware would really be in need of dependency checking nowdays
20:52 janPasi      it's getting too complex to manage without it
20:52 janPasi      (or complicated)
20:52 BobB         Ok, I've copied the Koha instance and changed the matching rule.
20:52 BobB         The rule now is:
20:52 BobB         Matching rule code: ISBN, desc 020$a, threshhold 1000
20:52 BobB         matchpoint 1: index isbn, score 1000
20:52 BobB         matchpoint components 020, a, 0, 0, ISBN
20:52 BobB         No match checks.
20:52 jcamins      There is always opportunity for people interested in packaging!
20:52 BobB         Importing the file.
20:53 cait         *fingers crossed*
20:56 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Update history with our newest committer <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7ecf358ee3de0617ef53fc54f30d3f4a34e08b3c>
21:01 jenkins_koha Starting build #985 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
21:07 BobB         hmmm: 0 records with at least one match in catalog per matching rule "ISBN"
21:08 jcamins      I'll test an ISBN matching rule.
21:09 BobB         thank you jcamins
21:10 jcamins      BobB: works perfectly for me.
21:10 jcamins      Well... other than stage MARC import not being compatible with starman.
21:11 BobB         I'll look further at the actual records, then.
21:11 jcamins      BobB: http://screencast.com/t/NbqLEdLjwZ
21:11 jcamins      (my matching rule)
21:12 cait         jcamins++ :)
21:14 BobB         There you go:  you have a field Record Type underneath the Threshhold field.  I do not have that field!
21:15 jcamins      Oh, you're on 3.8?
21:15 BobB         What's the tool you used to post that screenshot?
21:15 BobB         Yes, 3.8.6
21:15 jcamins      Jing.
21:15 jcamins      Okay, ignore that field.
21:15 jcamins      Prior to 3.10, importing authorities wasn't possible.
21:15 BobB         Ah, OK.
21:16 BobB         Not the answer then.  :(
21:16 jcamins      Nope. :(
21:16 cait         hm
21:17 cait         could it be a search problem?
21:17 cait         is search working?
21:17 BobB         I will export a record and reimport it.  Then it will indisputably be a match.  :)
21:17 cait         because you the import is using zebra... so if zebresrv was not running or the records were not indexed yet, no matches
21:18 BobB         No cait, its the Staging utility that reports no matches.  It hasn't got as far as zebra.
21:18 cait         i think the staging tool uses zebra indexes for finding the matching records
21:18 jcamins      BobB: right, staging the record matches using Zebra.
21:18 jcamins      If your Zebra indexes aren't up-to-date, it will match anything.
21:19 cait         so maybe try a search for an isbn you think should match
21:19 BobB         Wow, that could be it.  I copied the koha but did not rebuild zebra afterwards.  Two things to try now.  :)
21:20 cait         good luck!
21:20 jcamins      Yes, you'll have to reindex Zebra without a doubt. :)
21:34 BobB         rebuilding zebra
21:41 eythian      The koha community is a major force in preventing the extinction of zebras with the amount we're rebuilding.
21:41 cait         hehe
21:44 wizzyrea     @quote add eythian: The koha community is a major force in preventing the extinction of zebras with the amount we're rebuilding.
21:44 huginn       wizzyrea: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
21:44 wizzyrea     @quote get 23
21:44 huginn       wizzyrea: Quote #23: "<gmcharlt> /msg huginn register nick password" (added by wizzyrea_ at 04:25 PM, August 06, 2009)
21:45 wizzyrea     @quote add eythian: The koha community is a major force in preventing the extinction of zebras with the amount we're rebuilding.
21:45 huginn       wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.  Quote #225 added.
21:45 wahanui      i already had it that way, wizzyrea.
21:45 wizzyrea     the koha community?
21:45 wahanui      the koha community is an amazing thing
21:45 wizzyrea     The koha community?
21:45 wahanui      rumour has it the koha community is an amazing thing
21:58 BobB         zebra done.  Importing again ...
22:07 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #985: SUCCESS in 1 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/985/
22:07 jenkins_koha jcamins: Update history with our newest committer
22:08 jcamins      Hooray! Success!
22:10 cait         yay :)
22:10 cait         BobB: hope it's successful this time around
22:15 BobB         Success!
22:15 BobB         13948 records with at least one match in catalog per matching rule "ISBN"
22:16 jcamins      Yay!
22:16 BobB         Two theological colleges merging, its not surprising there are a lot of matches.  :)
22:17 BobB         So my take on it is this:  I was importing into a copy of the Koha but had not rebuilt the index after making the copy:
22:17 BobB         so the rule found nothing to match on.
22:17 jcamins      Yup, that sounds right.
22:18 BobB         Zebra all along.
22:18 BobB         The koha community?
22:18 wahanui      rumour has it the koha community is an amazing thing
22:18 BobB         wahanui: I agree!
22:18 wahanui      BobB: excuse me?
22:19 BobB         You're excused.
22:19 jcamins      wahanui: I agree is <reply> Hear hear!
22:19 wahanui      OK, jcamins.
22:19 jcamins      I agree!
22:19 jcamins      I agree
22:19 jcamins      I agree?
22:19 jcamins      wahanui: \I agree is <reply> Hear hear!
22:19 wahanui      i already had it that way, jcamins.
22:19 jcamins      wahanui: \I agree! is <reply> Hear hear!
22:19 wahanui      OK, jcamins.
22:19 jcamins      I agree!
22:19 cait         I agree!
22:19 cait         lol
22:20 cait         eythian: I think wahanui needs more cookies
22:20 * cjh        agree!
22:20 cait         and I am really gone now - bye all :)
22:20 BobB         lol
22:20 eythian      heh
22:20 BobB         thank you cait, good night!
22:20 eythian      i think it's to do with trigger lengths, but I'm not really sure.
22:20 BobB         Thanks everyone, that was quite awesome
22:20 eythian      wahanui: literal I agree
22:21 wahanui      eythian: what?
22:21 cjh          wahanui: literal I agree!
22:21 wahanui      cjh: what?
22:21 eythian      wahanui: literal the koha community
22:21 wahanui      eythian: the koha community =is= an amazing thing
22:21 eythian      wahanui: literal \I agree
22:21 wahanui      eythian: i'm not following you...
22:21 eythian      wahanui: literal \I agree!
22:21 wahanui      eythian: i'm not following you...
22:21 cjh          heh
22:21 eythian      yeah, but that one didn't appear to save in a sensible form I think
22:21 jcamins      jcamins agree!
22:21 cjh          a disobedient bot
22:21 jcamins      wahanui: literal I agree
22:21 wahanui      jcamins: what?
22:22 jcamins      wahanui: literal jcamins agree
22:22 wahanui      jcamins: what?
22:22 cjh          wahanui: Agree!
22:22 wahanui      cjh: sorry...
22:22 cjh          wahanui: agree!
22:22 wahanui      cjh: i'm not following you...
22:33 * mtompset   needs to figure out how to not hibernate.
22:35 mtompset     Greetings, #koha.
22:36 tcohen       mtompset: vodka?
22:36 jcamins      mtompset: ^^
22:38 mtompset     Windows 7 power options. :P
22:40 eythian      mtompset: apt-get remove windows ; apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
22:40 eythian      or something like that
22:41 mtompset     Sorry, linux games suck, and I hate dual boot.
22:41 jcamins      Games?
22:41 wahanui      Games are all local executables and not really part of the project per se, but they are all currently listed in a MySql db for various reasons. He has the scripts and some server-side HTML code to generate the interface.
22:41 jcamins      Where on earth did that come from?
22:42 cjh          wow
22:42 mtompset     Good question.
22:43 eythian      I thought I heard that steam had gone open beta on Linux now
22:43 * eythian    has too many games lined up to play as it is. Still stuck on Braid.
22:43 eythian      might revisit that over christmas.
22:44 cjh          braid is a great game
22:44 eythian      it really is
22:44 jcamins      http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/2011-06-03#i_685812
22:44 cjh          I dont think steam for linux is open yet, they are just sending out more invites. at least last time I checked.
22:44 eythian      I also contend the notion that it sucks, therefore mtompset is wrong :)
22:44 eythian      might be that
22:44 cjh          rangi got his invite :(
22:45 eythian      http://tweakers.net/nieuws/86103/steam-linux-gaat-binnenkort-in-open-beta.html <-- looks like it's opening anyway
22:46 * cjh        squints at screen
22:46 eythian      http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/12/steam-linux-to-launch-open-beta-next-week <-- try that one
22:46 * cjh        is getting worse at this reading thing
22:46 eythian      I just read the first link I got :)
22:46 cjh          \o/
22:46 eythian      and tweakers.net is often interesting
22:47 cjh          the words seem interesting, cant speak for the content.
22:47 eythian      Maybe you're just having a stroke or something
22:48 cjh          I have been studying chemistry all morning, so ver plausible
22:48 eythian      that'd do it
22:48 cjh          s/very/very/ >.>
22:49 * jcamins    squints at the regexed string.
22:49 jcamins      Looks the same.
22:49 cjh          hahaha
22:49 jcamins      :P
22:49 * cjh        gives up
22:50 cjh          s#s/very/very/#s/ver/very/#
22:50 eythian      that could be simplified a lot
22:50 jcamins      lol
22:50 eythian      's/y//' would have done it
22:50 jcamins      True.
22:50 jcamins      No /g
22:50 eythian      zactly
22:50 cjh          true
22:56 mtompset     Did I mention I really dislike steam? :P
22:56 jcamins      mtompset: don't move to NYC. Most buildings are heated with it.
22:57 jcamins      Yes, that's right.
22:57 wahanui      I know.
22:57 jcamins      I've got... steeaaaammmm heat, I've got steeeaaammmm heat...
22:57 mtompset     Ha ha ha.
22:58 eythian      oh, this reminds me, new humble indie bundle of games out today
22:58 jcamins      In the past week or so I have managed to quote Pajama Game and A Little Night Music.
22:58 jcamins      That's impressive. Those are two shows that rarely come up in conversation.
22:58 jcamins      In my experience.
23:03 bag          jcamins: you see the hobbit yet?
23:03 jcamins      bag: nope.
23:03 jcamins      How was it?
23:03 bag          I'm going tonight
23:03 bag          in 4 hours and 45 minutes ;)
23:03 bag          heh
23:04 eythian      I'll tell you how it ends...
23:04 bag          running to the bathroom cause it's 3 hours long!
23:04 jcamins      lol
23:05 bag          I'll cheer when I see ByWater on the map :)  heh
23:05 bag          and get thrown out within 5 minutes of the mocvie starting
23:05 wizzyrea     hehe
23:05 wizzyrea     that part would be not so good.
23:05 * eythian    saw it in what turns out to be among the worlds most advanced theatres, as it was super-upgraded for this movie
23:05 wizzyrea     !
23:05 bag          that's soo freaking cool
23:05 wizzyrea     how did you find the extra special framerate
23:06 eythian      a bit odd to get used to, but once things get moving you forget all about it
23:06 bag          I'm going to a theater that has 48fps and 3d but not a massive big screen
23:06 wizzyrea     i read that it's actually a hardware problem with humans
23:06 wizzyrea     that we can't actually process that much data.
23:06 eythian      the world is >48fps
23:06 wizzyrea     tech has officially surpassed the human ability concieve of it
23:06 bag          really but we see in something close to 60fps or so
23:06 wizzyrea     ah no it isn't
23:06 wizzyrea     ;)
23:07 wizzyrea     your brain can only process ~35 fps
23:07 bag          ahhh
23:07 bag          not my brain - maybe yours
23:07 wizzyrea     then things get weird and you start getting dropped frames
23:07 bag          I'm rocking about 5fps
23:07 eythian      in that case, >35fps wouldn't matter.
23:07 wizzyrea     exactly!
23:08 * wizzyrea   will find the article
23:08 wizzyrea     it was really interesting
23:08 eythian      although, the brain isn't a digital device with a fixed clock cycle, so I'm not sure it's reasonable to make comparisons like that.
23:08 wizzyrea     well yes, that's a digital-ised comparison
23:08 jcamins      wizzyrea: I read an article about how the reason the framerate is fixed where it is is that it was an early technical limitation, and when they developed the technology for faster refresh, people thought it looked amateurish.
23:08 jcamins      (because the silver screen wasn't high fps)
23:09 wizzyrea     this is something else I think
23:09 wizzyrea     besides that
23:09 eythian      it does, the start of it looks like a made-for-tv BBC documentary with people from þe olden timeys.
23:09 wizzyrea     (that may be true too)
23:09 * wizzyrea   notices this on new tv's and always has to turn off the color correction that does it
23:09 eythian      I'm not toally sure if it's the fps or the lighting that does that though. I'd need to compare it in 24fps to know
23:13 BobB         @seen mtj
23:13 huginn       BobB: mtj was last seen in #koha 6 days, 17 hours, 42 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <mtj> ooh, i felt that one  -> http://www.geonet.org.nz/quakes/region/newzealand/2012p938451
23:13 BobB         hope it didn
23:13 BobB         't kill him?
23:14 BobB         Is mtj on christmas hollies already?
23:15 mtompset     I saw it opening night 10pm in theatres.
23:15 mtompset     It was pretty good. 3D was pretty lame for the most part though. :(
23:16 jcamins      Hey, I saw a sign at a movie theatre that said that they showed movies in 3D, too.
23:16 jcamins      Is that a new thing that's common?
23:16 mtompset     It's a marketing gimmick for which they charge $1.50 more (or whatever)
23:17 jcamins      Given that movie tickets are approach $20, I generally avoid going to movies anyway.
23:17 mtompset     $20?!
23:18 bag          I love the 3D movies
23:18 mtompset     Avatar in 3D was good use of 3D.
23:18 mtompset     Hobbit in 3D ... sucky use of 3D.
23:18 bag          cause for years and years it never worked for me - I'm red/green color blind
23:18 bag          but with the new polarized 3D techies I can see it and really enjoy it
23:18 mtompset     Ah, so the newer 3D works for you?
23:18 mtompset     Cool.
23:19 jcamins      Yeah, I think it was $16/person last time we went to the cinema.
23:19 bag          yup Avatar was the first one that really ever worked for me - and really popped off the screen
23:19 bag          jcamins: 12 bucks here
23:20 mtompset     Also, some theatres are letting you choose your seat when you purchase the ticket.
23:20 jcamins      I remember paying $7/ticket.
23:20 mtompset     That costs extra too.
23:20 jcamins      Not here.
23:20 jcamins      You get a crappy seat and still pay a fortune.
23:20 bag          I remember $2 a ticket :P
23:22 jcamins      Oh, this theatre charges only $11.
23:22 bag          heh
23:22 jcamins      It's also ~3 miles away.
23:23 jcamins      And no subway.
23:26 drojf        oh. cinema. the place where you pay a lot of money to watch all these "'piracy' is bad, mkay" commercials, other commercials, get spy'd on with infrared deviced, pay tons of money for a drink and have to listen to strangers eating popcorn and chips for hours. i remember that. good old times.
23:27 * jcamins    doesn't like going to films.
23:28 tcohen_      avatar sucked both in 2D and 3D :-P
23:28 jcamins      tcohen_: good, that means I don't have to feel bad about not having seen it.
23:28 drojf        i was going to say i did not visit a cinema the whole year but it's not true. i have seen a few greenlandic movies at a small film festival, that was pretty nice (w/o commercials, ok ticket prices and not too many people inside)
23:28 mtompset     I'm not talking plot, tcohen_. :P
23:28 jcamins      I know it's blue.
23:28 jcamins      Or green.
23:29 * jcamins    has trouble telling the difference between blue and green.
23:29 jcamins      But I definitely know the pictures of Avatar were all blue or green.
23:29 tcohen_      heh
23:30 tcohen_      I hope we see some nice Miyazaki's film in 3D soon
23:30 mtompset     My driving continues. Have a good day (24 hour period).
23:31 jcamins      Ooh! I've actually seen two of his films (on DVD)!
23:32 jcamins      (this is exciting because whenever the conversation turns to film, I generally have absolutely no frame of reference... I'm never been a film buff)
23:32 tcohen_      Princess MOnonoke?
23:32 jcamins      Nope. Howl's Moving Castle and Spirited Away.
23:32 bag          I love going to the movies
23:32 bag          I like the big screen
23:33 bag          my brother works in hollywood so maybe I got that from him
23:33 tcohen_      both really nice films, a bit sad the first
23:33 tcohen_      leaving, asado ahead byeeee #koha
23:45 cjh          howl's moving castle is fantastic.