IRC log for #koha, 2012-12-10

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Time S Nick Message
00:04 jcamins_away How did you alphabetize ß?
00:05 drojf after s
00:05 jcamins_away It's kind of a problem since ß should come before st in my alphabetical world.
00:07 drojf :D
00:08 drojf wouldn't it come before st when it comes after s?
00:09 jcamins drojf: only if the words were spelled "strasße" and "straste."
00:09 drojf ah now i understand what you mean
00:10 jcamins Otherwise, "straste" would come before "straße."
00:10 drojf ys
00:10 drojf yes
00:11 jcamins The German language needs more words with the spelling "-sß-"
00:11 drojf the correct way would be to magically dissolve it to 'ss' for sorting
00:12 jcamins And searching.
00:12 wahanui searching is not working
00:13 drojf there is a line 'equivalent ß(ss)' now but i have to admit that i am not sure what zebra does with it
00:13 drojf maybe it should be (ss)ß
00:13 jcamins No, I think the line is right.
00:15 jcamins The problem is that I don't think that applies to sorting, just searching.
00:16 drojf This directive introduces the upper-case equivalences to the value set (if any). The number and order of the entries in the list should be the same as in the lowercase directive.
00:16 drojf ok i killed that because ß does not really exist in uppercase
00:16 drojf will add it anyway
00:17 drojf equivalent value-set This directive introduces equivalence classes of characters and/or strings for sorting purposes only. It resembles the map directive, but does not affect search and retrieval indexing, but only sorting order under present requests.
00:17 drojf seems to be for sorting
00:19 jcamins Oh, guess I had it backwards.
00:19 jcamins Excellent!
00:27 jcamins I had no idea there was an uppercase ß!
00:29 drojf there isn't really. i think it came up quite recently. it doesn't exist apart from all-caps. you cannot have a word start with ẞ
00:29 eythian jcamins: it's what Germans use when yelling to each other. By which I mean, talking normally, like cait's outside neighbour at BSZ.
00:29 jcamins lol
00:29 drojf lol
00:30 drojf "The hat ^ character denotes beginning-of-field"
00:30 drojf hat character?
00:30 drojf is that a common expression?
00:30 eythian it's not uncommon
00:30 * drojf giggles
00:30 * jcamins has never heard it before.
00:31 eythian you will also see "carrot" sometimes.
00:31 drojf lol
00:31 cait caret
00:31 cait according to my perl books
00:31 jcamins Caret.
00:31 jcamins That's what I've always heard.
00:32 eythian yeah, that's the properist name.
00:32 drojf i like carrot
00:32 cait of course you do :)
00:33 cait who doesn't like carrots?:)
00:33 drojf lotẞ of carrotẞ
00:33 eythian ^^
00:33 eythian ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
00:33 drojf :D
00:33 cait lol
00:38 jcamins Okay... how do I tie a bowtie?
00:38 jcamins Clearly not the way the package says.
00:38 * jcamins consults Google.
00:38 eythian you put the elastic band around your neck, and it just stays there.
00:39 drojf i bet there are video tutorials on youtube
00:39 cait jcamins: how did you get from reading to bowties?
00:39 drojf maybe even a google group :P
00:39 cait ok, things are getting weird here... I am leaving :)
00:39 cait night all
00:40 jcamins lol
00:40 jcamins Good night.
00:40 eythian I spent 3 years at high school tying a regular tie every day. Last time I had to do it, a couple of years ago, I had to look it up.
00:40 drojf good night cait
00:40 eythian later cait
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00:40 jcamins Right... maybe I'll tie the bowtie around something else to start with.
00:41 drojf How To Tie a Bow Tie ʉۢ 1.727.313 views
00:41 drojf you are not alone :D
00:41 eythian seems like a common issue
00:42 eythian wahanui: birds
00:42 wahanui eythian: huh?
00:42 eythian wahanui: birds are gross:
00:42 wahanui OK, eythian.
00:42 jcamins drojf: indeed I am not.
00:46 drojf jcamins: you could tie it around myshkin for a test
00:46 jcamins lol
00:49 druthb myshkin_in_a_tie++
00:51 jcamins Grr.
00:59 rangi[…]ded&v=PN-MjUC4f9k
00:59 * jcamins proceeds to garotte a spindle full of CD-Rs.
01:00 wizzyrea lol. lol. adorable.
01:01 jcamins :)
01:01 eythian I guess you've got to use them for something
01:04 jcamins Well, it may have asphixiated, but at least I managed to tie the bowtie.
01:04 jcamins Once.
01:07 jcamins Success!
01:08 * jcamins refuses to take off his bowtie.
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01:41 libsysguy hey the next IRC meeting is on my birthday
01:41 eythian * jcamins is now known as jcamins_bowtie
01:41 libsysguy ^^ 0_0
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02:52 eythian excuse
02:52 wahanui eythian: static buildup
03:39 libsysguy wahanui will make up excuses for you!!
03:39 wahanui libsysguy: i'm not following you...
03:39 libsysguy excuse
03:39 wahanui libsysguy: Groundskeepers stole the root password
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03:50 wizzyrea excuse
03:50 wahanui wizzyrea: My pony-tail hit the on/off switch on the power strip.
03:51 wizzyrea oh that happens to me ALL THE TIME
03:55 eythian you should chop off your pony tail in that case
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05:10 libsysguy so I have to say, using DBIx::Class is making life for db ops easy peasy
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06:15 BobB_ bonjour paul_p
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07:08 * magnuse waves
07:08 * cait waves back
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07:13 magnuse kia ora cait and eythian and paul_p
07:13 magnuse woohoo for the changes that were made to the wiki!
07:13 cait it's a lot better, isn't it?
07:14 magnuse cait: it is!
07:16 paul_p hi magnus & cait & BobB_ & others. leaving IRC to take Athens subway now. See you later
07:16 paul_p cait this afternoon, I plan to do some QA.
07:17 cait paul_p: good
07:17 cait have fun in Athens
07:19 magnuse eythian or eythian_ around?
07:20 eythian_ yep
07:21 magnuse yay
07:21 magnuse i have a problem with the packages
07:21 magnuse set up a new server to test 3.10 with real data
07:21 magnuse upload the sql backup from the live server and load it, upgrade schema and rebuild zebra -f
07:22 magnuse but when i try to search i get this: Can't call method "raw" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 461.
07:22 magnuse e.g.:[…]
07:22 magnuse ever seen something like that?
07:23 magnuse the rebuild zebra runs without any trouble
07:23 eythian_ I can't say I have seen that.
07:23 magnuse gah :-)
07:23 eythian_ I haven't done a whole lot with the 3.10 packages though
07:24 magnuse it's also weird that the title of the search results page says "you did not specify any search criteria"
07:24 eythian_ hmm yes
07:24 eythian_ that's suspicious
07:25 cait hm
07:26 cait me neither :(
07:26 cait seen it ... autoscroll broken once again
07:26 wahanui I haven't seen 'it', cait
07:27 eythian_ wahanui agrees.
07:27 wahanui eythian_: i'm not following you...
07:27 magnuse i did koha-create before i loaded the sql dump
07:28 eythian_ that's fine, that's what I usually do.
07:28 magnuse earlier, i tried to do koha-create and then add some records, and that seemed to work fine
07:29 eythian_ the only thing I can think of off the top of my head is the upgrade process not working correctly, but if that were the case it'd affect everyone.
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07:32 magnuse the output from upgrade schema:
07:32 magnuse there is something weird there:
07:32 magnuse DBD::mysql::db do failed: Can't create table 'koha_esme.#sql-792_2260' (errno: 121) at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/ins​taller/data/mysql/ line 5443.
07:34 pastebot "magnuse" at pasted "lines around 5443" (21 lines) at
07:35 magnuse that's related to the borrower_files table, shouldn't think that would affect searching...
07:36 * rangi tries to clear up sanders confusion, hopefully not creating more
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07:44 magnuse yup this works fine: koha-create + manually doing the web-installer + staging/importing a batch of files + rebuild zebra
07:44 marcelr hi #koha
07:44 magnuse kia ora marcelr
07:44 marcelr hi magnuse
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07:45 alex_a bonjour
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07:46 magnuse bonjour france
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07:47 julian_m hello magnuse, hello all
07:48 marcelr hello julian_m alex_a
07:48 alex_a hello marcelr
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07:51 asaurat hi
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07:56 reiveune hello
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07:57 gaetan_B hello
07:57 rangi as i suspected
07:58 rangi sander doesn't understand holds
08:00 magnuse yup
08:01 * rangi tries again
08:02 rangi i think he/she thinks a hold is a check out
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08:21 magnuse rangi: sounds like it
08:22 * kf waves
08:31 magnuse hiya kf
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09:39 rangi *sigh*
09:39 * rangi gives up
09:45 kf oh no
09:45 * kf sends rangi cookies
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09:51 drojf i was wondering if language barrier or troll, but i vote troll now :P
09:51 drojf hi #koha
09:53 kf hi drojf
09:55 drojf hi kf
09:56 drojf with tech people doing free tech support for koha, maybe librarians could have a community initiative to teach basic ILS things ;) some people seem confused that we do not walk them through the complete system but i am not starting to do that in my spare time
09:57 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
09:57 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 1.8°C (10:43 AM CET on December 10, 2012). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Steady).
09:57 kf yeah
09:57 rangi drojf: that is a good idea
09:58 kf can I go for tech support please?
09:58 rangi it would be nice to see librarians answering the library policy/usage type questions
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09:59 rangi some do of course, but they vastly outnumber us on the mailing list .. but not in answering mails :)
09:59 drojf that's right. maybe we are too fast
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10:00 rangi could be
10:00 rangi maybe scared of being wrong too?
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10:01 vfernandes hi :)
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10:01 drojf if you have a long thread with koha dinosaurs like yourself answering they might be, yes
10:01 drojf ;)
10:02 drojf there must be so many librarians on that list. maybe they are less shy if we don't answer these questions. or answer with "any librarian here to explain" or something
10:02 drojf hi vfernandes
10:03 rangi good idea lemme try
10:04 rangi lets see if that works
10:05 drojf :)
10:10 drojf we should introduce the position of 'noob wranglers' for these questions :D
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10:17 gerundio hi, good morning
10:18 gerundio I've filled the value for the "BorrowerUnwantedField" field in the System preferences
10:18 gerundio and the collumns values I've inserted there don't show up in the intranet patron entry screen
10:19 gerundio but keep showing up in the OPAC personal details screen
10:19 gerundio how can I hide them there too?
10:19 kf gerundio: only using jquery
10:19 kf gerundio: the syspref doesn't extent to the opac yet
10:19 kf extend
10:19 gerundio ok kf, thanks a lot for the quick reply :)
10:22 magnuse kf++
10:22 gerundio btw, any reason for that to limit the fields shown in the intranet but not on OPAC?
10:23 kf I think we might want to have 2 different prefs long term
10:23 kf because you might want some informatoin to show up internally only (even if that is probably not a good idea)
10:30 gerundio I read internally only as in intranet only, correct?
10:30 gerundio what we have now is the exact opposite
10:30 gerundio internaly only make much more sense to me
10:30 kf sorry, gerundio, not sure I understand
10:31 gerundio you said "because you might want some informatoin to show up internally only"
10:32 kf ah yes, show more in intranet than opac
10:32 gerundio exactly
10:32 kf but it might be wrong, because patrons should be able to see what you store about them
10:32 kf but the view on this might differ
10:32 gerundio and what we have now in the exact opposite, right?
10:32 kf I think it's started more as a way to shorten the entry form
10:32 kf and it was done for that, but should probably be extended
10:33 kf you coudl file a feature request
10:34 gerundio btw, you said the only way to accomplish that is by using JS
10:34 gerundio a colleague of mine did it on a devel setup by changing the template files
10:34 gerundio is that a good way to go?
10:37 kf no
10:37 kf it will explode each and every time you update
10:37 kf Ithink if it#s just the user shouldn't see what you don't store about them anyway, js hsould be fine
10:37 kf they will see empty fields if js is deactivated
10:38 kf if you really wanted to hide something effectively changing the frameworks might be the only way to do it - but it's not recommendable because of the update pain
10:38 gerundio kf, thanks for saying what I wanted to ear :D
10:39 kf and changing frameworks is changing templats... it's monday :)
10:39 gerundio my colleague wanted to insert an id from another platform into the streetnumber field on koha
10:39 gerundio so we could do his integration
10:39 kf hm
10:39 gerundio I always said it was a bad idea
10:39 kf that's nto a good way to do it
10:39 kf do you need it for patron import?
10:39 gerundio he should use the LDAP username
10:40 kf gerundio: have you looked into extended patron attributes?
10:40 kf I think there is a patch around to make them work with ldap, so that might be a problem right now, but is the better way to do it I think
10:40 kf you can define a patron attribute to be unique
10:40 kf and visible or not in opac
10:40 kf and you can match on  unique patron attributes during patron import
10:52 gerundio kf, sorry for the hold up
10:52 gerundio my colleague was here and I was telling him what you told me
10:53 gerundio I'm already using extended patron attributes
10:53 gerundio but there's a bug already reported about LDAP mapping
10:54 gerundio don't know if the patch works, I have a task to test it in my TODO list :)
10:55 gerundio that would be a better solution no doubt about it
10:55 gerundio if I didn't think he'd be fine just with the LDAP username :)
10:55 kf :)
10:55 kf you will work it out :)
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11:40 vfernandes slips on 3.8.X and 3.10.X are configurable right?
11:40 kf yes
11:41 vfernandes quickslips only show the patron today checkouts?
11:41 kf i am not sure, maybe test it, but I think yes
11:42 vfernandes what you think about having renewal and checkin quick slips?
11:42 kf I think I woudl like checkin slips
11:42 kf because there is no way currently to do that and it's something common here
11:42 kf for renewal I could always print a complete account slip, but it might still be useful there too
11:44 vfernandes In one of my installations I've done a modification in order to haver quickslips for renewal and returns
11:44 vfernandes the problem with returns is the fines
11:44 vfernandes I never managed to do that in the right way
11:45 kf why the fines?
11:45 kf and there are slips (hardcoded but stil) I think for payments
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11:46 vfernandes because normally the return slips envolves the payment of the fine if the book is overdue
11:46 vfernandes is a 2 in one slip: return and payment slip
11:47 kf hm
11:47 kf not necessarily
11:47 kf lots of people don't pay the fines when giving back and you always have to change into the patron account
11:47 vfernandes yes not necessarily
11:47 kf I think I woudl not mind having 2 separate slips
11:47 kf we could also have a "today's actions" slip
11:48 kf issues, returns and fines - from patron account
11:49 vfernandes issues, renewal, returns (with or without fines on the configuration) and fines
11:51 kf not sure how to do that in a user friendly way
11:53 vfernandes now there is 3 options in print button: Print summary, Print slip, Print quick slip
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12:01 vfernandes sorry kf... the system power went down
12:01 kf np
12:01 vfernandes I was saying that in the print option there is 3 option: print summary, print slip, print quick slip
12:03 vfernandes the idea was to set 5 options: summary, slip, checkout quick slip, return quick slip and renewal quick slip (I think we can take "Print .." from the link)
12:04 kf I always like the idea of more optiosn, but it can get overwhelmling eaisly
12:05 kf drojf++
12:06 vfernandes do you think that I should add this options? and about changing the "strings" removing "print" from the links?
12:06 kf I think removing print should be ok, if the button stays labelled... but not sure about accessibility  hm
12:07 kf maybe ask some more people?
12:07 drojf kf: huh?
12:09 vfernandes "Print" can be maintain there is not a real problem... but I think the omission can be done because the button is already as "Print"
12:09 kf drojf: bug wrangling :)
12:09 kf vfernandes: I wondered if it would be confusing for people not seeing the button :)
12:12 vfernandes "Print summary, Print slip, Checkout quick slip, Checkin quick slip, Renewal quick slip"
12:12 vfernandes Print checkout quick slip... maybe is too long :/
12:13 kf yeah
12:14 vfernandes "Checkout quick slip" is a good option?
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12:16 vfernandes I think so... I will create a bug for the implementation of renewal and checkin quick slips
12:17 vfernandes which should be the correct component of the bug? Circulation or patron?
12:17 drojf so what do i do if there is no complexity field that i have to set?
12:17 drojf (in bugzilla)
12:18 kf hm it shoudl show up when you switch to needs sign-off
12:18 kf vfernandes: maybe notices if there is one
12:18 kf or circ
12:18 drojf no it doesn't because i cannot switch because i canno set complexity
12:18 kf new bug?
12:19 drojf yes
12:20 drojf bug 9248
12:20 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9248 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Add a German Zebra language definition file
12:21 kf and what are you trying to do?
12:21 kf when i switch to need ssignoff, the patch complexity shows up for me
12:22 drojf where?
12:22 kf right column on top
12:22 vfernandes near sponsored
12:22 kf last one
12:22 wahanui last one is the first one if you look backwards.
12:22 drojf that is where i expected it but it doesn't
12:22 kf hm
12:22 kf javasript problem?
12:23 drojf i could change to assigned. but i cannot change to needs sign off
12:23 kf you are logged int oo right?
12:23 kf hm
12:23 kf maybe close browser and try again?
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12:27 drojf it worked now after restart and ctrl+f5
12:35 druthb @wunder 66046
12:35 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is -7.4°C (6:34 AM CST on December 10, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: -12.0°C. Windchill: -11.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Rising).
12:35 druthb now, who thought *that* up?
12:36 * druthb blames kf.
12:41 magnuse @wunder boo
12:41 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -4.0°C (1:20 PM CET on December 10, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: -9.0°C. Windchill: -10.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady).
12:44 tcohen @wunder Cordoba, Argentina
12:44 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 28.0°C (9:00 AM ART on December 10, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Steady).
12:45 magnuse somwhere in between, perhaps?
12:46 tcohen morning #koha
12:49 marcelr afternoon tcohen
12:49 magnuse hiya tcohen
12:50 druthb Wait.  It's colder in Lawrence, Kansas than it is in the *ARCTIC*?  kf, you're off the hook.  I'm blaming magnuse for this one.
12:50 magnuse oh noes!
12:51 * druthb shivers, and gives magnuse the ebil eye.
12:51 * magnuse sends druthb a stack of firewood
12:51 kf @wunder Konstanz
12:51 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 1.4°C (1:50 PM CET on December 10, 2012). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: -0.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
12:51 kf magnuse: youare really encouraging her to make a fire?
12:53 * druthb makes a little pyramid of logs, with a loose pile of little bits in the middle, and a wadded-up ball of newspaper.  One match, no accelerant.  She'd have made a heckuva Girl Scout.
12:53 magnuse sounds good to me
12:54 kf druthb: as long as you are not doing this on your hardwood floors inside the house ...
12:55 druthb Now, that would be silly, kf.
12:55 kf hm right
12:57 drojf anyone ever looked at for translation?
13:01 druthb drojf:  I just played with the demo a minute, and I kind of like it!  :)
13:02 kf i guess the big question for every tool is if it can handle our big files
13:03 druthb I can find that out.  My other curiosity will be how well it handles RTL languages.  Pootle *does*, but it's kind of ugly-looking and can be confusing to translators.
13:03 * kf nods
13:04 kf druthb: has the pootle server moved to his new home yet or is that in the works?
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13:04 Brooke o/
13:04 druthb drojf, kf, magnuse:  Once I get our pootle woes cleared up, I could spin up a test of this for a few folks to try out.
13:04 druthb kf:  still working on that.
13:04 druthb Hey, Brooke!
13:04 drojf druthb: that would be cool
13:04 drojf hi Brooke
13:04 Brooke howdy
13:05 kf druthb: did you see the request for new greek files on the mailing list?
13:05 druthb Since I'm not a translator, I'm unqualified to have an opinion on the "best tool."  But I wanna put this in *your* hands, and you tell me what you wanna use, and I'll see to it.
13:05 kf ah, you probably did
13:05 druthb I did, kf.
13:05 kf just let me knwo if I can help with something
13:06 drojf i have seen options for context of singular and plural forms. what i would like is context like depending on module and things :)
13:06 magnuse ki ora Brooke
13:07 magnuse s/ki/kia/
13:07 Brooke kia orrraaa
13:08 kf i am all for improving things
13:08 kf as long as it does not require any retranslating
13:10 drojf come on kf, a few thousand strings :P
13:11 Brooke all the cool kids are doin' it
13:12 druthb I like the easy-to-spot links to the source file on Weblate.  That's pretty slick.
13:12 drojf Translation context part allows you to see related information about current string. Nearby messages, Similar messages, All locations, Dictionary, Recent edits, Project
13:12 Brooke sechsy
13:12 kf drojf: maybe it would be possible to do that with pootle too
13:12 Brooke I <3 context
13:12 kf and we are just not doing it
13:13 drojf kf: maybe. i would have expected the previous translation managers to have known and talked about. but maybe that was never asked about
13:13 * Brooke still has nightmares about encroaching %s
13:13 drojf lol
13:13 magnuse yeah those %s's are pesky
13:14 kf I like having them better than not having them
13:14 kf it gave us a lot more context instead of single words
13:16 druthb ssssh...kf, you gotta quit talking about jcamins; he's here now.
13:17 drojf i was promised a "back in office" email party but all i got was this louse "out of office" email again
13:17 jcamins drojf: it's 8:16am EST, and I think he's somewhere on the west coast.
13:18 drojf ah. right. weird people not living in my timezone, forgot about that
13:18 Brooke pfft the West Coast is communist. In especial in eNZed.
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13:19 H annyone knows this problem ...Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package koha-common
13:20 jcamins H: sounds like you don't have your apt repositories configured.
13:20 jcamins packages?
13:20 wahanui packages is at
13:20 jcamins ^^ that page tells you what to put in /etc/apt/sources.list.
13:20 H i use the ubuntu version
13:21 drojf you use the debian packages with ubuntu
13:21 H i follow the wikki yes
13:21 H did do the key
13:22 drojf did you du apt-get update after adding the line to /etc/apt/sources.list ?
13:22 drojf s/du/do
13:22 H ah i updated before oeps
13:22 jcamins H: did you run `apt-get update`?
13:22 jcamins Could you paste the line you added to sources.list to
13:23 kf druthb tmscnack cookie
13:23 druthb nom nom nom
13:23 magnuse hm, does that mean druthb is in fact a bot?
13:23 druthb kf QAMsnack oatmeal bar
13:23 kf oh yum!
13:23 jcamins magnuse: that is one weird error.
13:24 magnuse jcamins: yup. i can't get my head around it
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13:25 jcamins Bet you're wishing I'd gotten further in the search rewrite, huh? ;)
13:25 magnuse hehe, yeah
13:25 Brooke magnuse druthb isn't a bot, I am. DUN DUN DUNNNNNN
13:25 magnuse gaaah, the bots are coming!
13:26 jcamins magnuse: did you restart Zebra?
13:26 druthb EX-TER-MIN-ATE.
13:26 kf btw good morning jcamins :)
13:26 Brooke and those silly humans think that it's going to be a zombie apocalypse Waha...
13:27 Brooke proving once again that *everything* is related to the search rewrite.
13:27 jcamins Morning.
13:27 wahanui morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast.
13:27 * Brooke hands jcamins a spanner
13:27 magnuse hm, no
13:27 drojf what did i miss? zebra apocalypse?
13:28 Brooke enywho, seriously, leaving this time
13:30 magnuse jcamins: no change after stop/start/reindex
13:31 jcamins Hm.
13:31 jcamins Do you have this loaded onto a development server where you can follow my destructive instructions?
13:32 magnuse yup
13:32 jcamins Good.
13:32 jcamins Go to line 461 of C4::Search.
13:32 H
13:32 jcamins Add an "if $results[ $i - 1 ]->record($j);" at the end.
13:33 jcamins H: you do not need libchi-perl. It's optional.
13:33 H ok
13:33 H thx for the info
13:34 magnuse jcamins: done
13:35 tcohen hi jcamins
13:35 magnuse jcamins: that gives me Can't call method "render" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 476.
13:35 kf drojf: did you ask wizzy to put the new lmailing list on the website yet?
13:35 tcohen thanks, for that push btw jcamins
13:35 kf drojf: also, maybe we shoudl send an email to the normal Koha list as well - some people might have missed that there is a list at all
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13:37 jcamins magnuse: okay, add the same if statement on line 476.
13:38 magnuse jcamins: ok
13:38 jcamins I want to know if it's giving good results.
13:38 magnuse heh, that gives a weird result list
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13:39 jcamins Okay, *none* of your records appear to have been indexed.
13:40 jcamins Or, rather, to have been recorded in the indexes.
13:40 jcamins Which is of course a very different thing.
13:40 magnuse looks to me like it is finding the records, but can't display them
13:41 magnuse it's giving the right number of results, compared to the old installation
13:41 jcamins Yup. And it knows you have 150 records.
13:41 magnuse yeah
13:42 jcamins Would you try running -v -v -v -r -x
13:42 jcamins -b
13:43 kf normarc specific problem?:(
13:43 jcamins kf: nope.
13:43 jcamins
13:45 kf oh ok
13:45 magnuse jcamins: would this work? $ sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -f -v -v -v esme
13:45 jcamins If it passes the -v through, then yes.
13:46 jcamins Looks like it does, so yes.
13:47 magnuse and "2&> ~/esme-vvv.txt" to redirect all of the output to a file, right?
13:48 jcamins Yes.
13:48 magnuse just need to scp that file around a bit...
13:50 magnuse jcamins: there you go:
13:53 jcamins Hm.
13:54 jcamins I don't see any problem.
13:55 magnuse :-(
14:02 drojf kf: it's listed on the lists site automatically i think
14:03 jcamins Interesting!
14:03 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
14:03 jcamins Fridolyn's suggestion is a good one.
14:07 magnuse hm, not sure i see the relevance?
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14:07 jcamins The problem is somewhere before the records get into Koha.
14:08 jcamins Oh, look at that.
14:08 jcamins Paul has instructions for fixing the problem.
14:08 magnuse but the records i'm indexing here came along with the database dump?
14:08 jcamins Yes, but they also come along with the configuration.
14:09 jcamins[…]g.cgi?id=3087#c29
14:09 huginn Bug 3087: enhancement, P3, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , Z39.50 server returns usmarc format records for UNIMARC DB
14:09 * magnuse reads
14:09 jcamins Though obviously you don't want to set it to UNIMARC.
14:10 magnuse hehe
14:11 magnuse so i should run those sed commands?
14:11 magnuse with normarc, of course
14:12 jcamins You'll just want to check that it should be set to "normarc" and not something else.
14:12 jcamins Okay, I need to pack up and go.
14:12 jcamins Good luck!
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14:22 vfernandes one thing: the slips are configurable on notices interface but they aren't used on the
14:22 vfernandes is this normal?
14:29 vfernandes something is wrong....
14:30 vfernandes if I'm at patron details on check out tab and then I press "print quick slip" the user is redirect to
14:37 vfernandes if I'm at patron details on details tab and then I press "print quick slip" the user is redirect to
14:37 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
14:37 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 0.6°C (3:13 PM CET on December 10, 2012). Conditions: Snow. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady).
14:37 drojf more snow…
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14:37 kf drojf: yeah, listed, but on a page that is quite hidden - maybe a little bit of advertising would be good? :)
14:37 drojf the other language specific lists are also not there
14:37 drojf but a reference to that page
14:37 mib_6eiq2g hi i'm trying to install koha using the  instructions from this page,[…]ackages_from_List  , i have create the database and the user but now i don't know what to do
14:37 drojf i don't see how we are more interesting than the french list or the spanish one
14:37 drojf mib_6eiq2g: it would help to ask a specific question. "don't know what to do" is pretty vague
14:37 drojf what is the problem?
14:37 wahanui the problem is it's human beings doing it. Rebuild your indexes.
14:37 drojf heh. ignore wahanui
14:37 drojf mib_6eiq2g: are you looking for a development version or a regular version of koha?
14:37 vfernandes uses the template, not.... shouldn't both of them use the templateS?
14:37 mib_6eiq2g the last three commands that i have execute are this $ export __KOHA_USER__=$USER $ export __KOHA_GROUP__=$USER $ echo $USER and when i try to execute $ perl Makefile.PL  i give me an error
14:37 drojf mib_6eiq2g: are you looking for a development version or a regular version of koha?
14:38 mib_6eiq2g for a regular one
14:38 drojf then you have the wrong guide
14:38 drojf please see[…]ubuntu_-_packages
14:38 drojf that should be easier to install to
14:38 drojf too
14:39 mib_6eiq2g thank you, i have asked for the instructions for the installation and one gives me this
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14:47 gerundio mail?
14:47 wahanui somebody said mail was not understandable
14:47 gerundio email?
14:47 gerundio email setup?
14:48 gerundio is there any guide on how to setup email on koha?
14:48 gerundio I have postfix set on the server
14:48 gerundio but the notices aren't being received by patrons
14:49 gerundio I'm not sure what is originating this behavior, so I wanted to make sure everything is set up properly
14:49 drojf have you checked the logs?
14:50 * drojf goes out into the snow
14:50 gerundio drojf, I did
14:51 gerundio didn't find any relevant info there though
14:51 vfernandes have you set the KohaEmailAdminAddress or something like that?
14:51 gerundio yes
14:51 gerundio the cronjobs are in place too
14:52 vfernandes which is the result of the messages? failed?
14:52 vfernandes you can check in the database directly or in the patron details messages separator
14:53 gerundio the message_queue table is empty
14:53 gerundio which I find to be weird
14:53 vfernandes so the messages aren't being generated
14:53 gerundio as if no messages have been generated
14:53 gerundio exactly
14:54 vfernandes every patron category as messaging enable?
14:54 vfernandes EnhancedMessagingPreferences is enable?
14:55 gerundio EnhancedMessagingPreferences is not enabled
14:55 gerundio but that just seems to enable patrons to set they're notices receiving options, right?
14:55 kf gerundio: which kind of notices are you trying to send?
14:56 kf no, it enables the notices listed in the table in general - standards to be set at the patron category level
14:56 gerundio kf, some of our library operators have made some circulation tests
14:56 kf but it's not for overdues, that's why I was asking aboutthe message you want to send :)
14:56 kf checkout and checkin slips by email then?
14:56 gerundio borrowed some books and didn't return them to check the fines and overdue delivery notices
14:56 vfernandes you have to enable EnhancedMessagingPreferences
14:56 kf they have to make sure the patrons they test with have email addresses
14:57 kf and have the boxes ticked for the messages they want to receive
14:57 vfernandes and then set for each patron category the default message set
14:57 gerundio kf, all users have valid email addresses since our auth is being made via LDAP
14:57 kf the standards from the patron category are only applied to new patrons, for existing the messages are deactivated
14:57 kf vfernandes++ yep exactly :)
14:58 vfernandes for the existent patron I think you will need to set them manually
14:58 gerundio where can I check the patron category messaging setting?
14:58 vfernandes administration -> patron categories
14:58 gerundio I looked in "Patron category administration" but I don't see any such option
14:59 gerundio Overdue notice required?!?
14:59 vfernandes ..../cgi-bin/koha/admin/
15:00 vfernandes Have you enable EnhancedMessagingPreferences? Then when creating or editing a category will be a table in the end with the notices preferences
15:01 gerundio vfernandes, EnhancedMessagingPreferences was the answers
15:02 vfernandes each patron was now the same table on the details page
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15:02 vfernandes *has now
15:02 gerundio the text for the description of what this field does lead me in error
15:03 gerundio it looked to me that this allowed patrons to change their notices policies
15:03 vfernandes yes they can change it on the OPAC
15:03 vfernandes but it's the only way to activate the email sending
15:05 vfernandes maybe the preference should be change to only activate the configuration in the staff client... and then should be another to activate it in the OPAC
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15:10 H sudo koha-create --create-db bibliotheek sudo: koha-create: command not found ... annyone ?
15:11 gerundio vfernandes, my point too
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15:11 gerundio otherwise it seems like patrons can simply turn off notices
15:11 vfernandes I will fill up a bug with this
15:12 oleonard Hi #koha
15:12 gerundio hey oleonard
15:12 wahanui oleonard is not really here.  He said so.  He did!
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15:13 * druthb giggles at wahanui
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15:19 vfernandes gerundio: bug 9254 created
15:19 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9254 enhancement, P2, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Problem with EnhancedMessagingPreferences
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15:35 gerundio vfernandes, thanks for submitting the bug
15:35 gerundio btw, does koha consider weekends as open library days?
15:36 vfernandes depends on the library calendar
15:36 gerundio I just got a complaint saying that weekends were being accounted for
15:36 vfernandes you have to set in the library calendar that weekends are close days
15:37 gerundio so all I have to do is set 2 "Holiday repeating weekly", 1 for Saturday and 1 for Sunday?
15:38 vfernandes yes
15:39 vfernandes then you have so see your configurations if circulation and holds are using the close days or not
15:46 jcamins gerundio: you have to configure Koha to treat weekends as holidays.
15:48 jcamins magnuse: did changing the syntax work?
16:05 vfernandes how suspensions works in koha 3.8.X
16:05 vfernandes ?
16:06 vfernandes it's possible to set the following: a patron returns a overdue book with more than 15 days... the patron is debarred for 30 days
16:07 jcamins Is that a problem?
16:07 vfernandes after X days returns returns another overdue... those X days can be sum to the suspension?
16:08 jcamins I do not know.
16:08 jcamins Suspensions aren't commonly used in the US, so I've only ever used the feature when testing bugs.
16:09 vfernandes let me test it
16:12 gerundio Portuguese librarians love suspensions :p
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16:28 vfernandes debarred is always being set to '9999-12-31'
16:28 vfernandes :/
16:28 oleonard That is correct
16:29 vfernandes shouldn't be set to 30 days?
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16:29 vfernandes from now?
16:30 oleonard "Plain," non-date-dependent debarrals are set to that date
16:30 vfernandes in which table?
16:30 kf bye all
16:31 oleonard Are you talking about a debarral which is set by circulation rules?
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16:31 vfernandes yes... but I have a 30 days suspension
16:32 vfernandes on third overdue email (16 days after overdue) the patron is debarred and suspended for 30 days
16:33 jcamins I didn't think the overdue triggers allowed you to set the number of days.
16:33 jcamins I thought you were using fine-in-days.
16:33 jcamins They don't.
16:34 jcamins It's just a checkbox.
16:34 vfernandes humm ok... I thought suspension in days started at the beginning of the debar
16:35 jcamins No.
16:35 vfernandes ok thanks
16:35 jcamins At least, it didn't use to.
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16:54 gerundio off topic: anybody here using Google Chrome?
16:54 oleonard Yes
16:54 gerundio did yours crashed too just now?
16:55 oleonard Do you mean Google Mail?
16:57 libsysguy no
16:57 libsysguy google chrome
16:57 wahanui well, google chrome is fine
16:57 libsysguy and yes
16:57 jcamins Chrome works fine for me.
16:58 jcamins Gmail is having a service disruption, I think.
16:58 * oleonard is using Chrome Canary at the moment
16:58 gerundio yeap
16:58 gerundio I guess chrome crashed for users who had gmail opened in a tab or something
16:59 chris_n you know its not a going to be a good monday when the first thing you see on your linux workstation is a screen full of /dev/foo media errors where foo is your single hdd
16:59 jcamins gerundio: I had Gmail open in two tabs.
16:59 gerundio jcamins, and yours didn't crash?
16:59 jcamins Nope.
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17:01 magnuse jcamins: nope. and i'm not sure it can be that, since another instance created in just the same way on the same server, but with a clean database works. i suspect it must ve something in the database
17:02 jcamins magnuse: so you restored an instance with no data?
17:03 magnuse um no. i created two instances, then loaded a 3.8 database dump into it one, and ran through the web installer on the other
17:03 magnuse then staged/imported the records from the dumped instance into the clean one
17:04 magnuse the first one does not work, the swcond one does
17:04 jcamins Okay, so you did not use koha-restore at all?
17:04 * jcamins thought you had.
17:04 magnuse nope
17:04 magnuse just koha-mysql esme < esme.sql
17:04 jcamins Hmm...
17:04 magnuse so the config files are all from 3.10
17:04 magnuse on both instances
17:04 * jcamins blames marcflavour.
17:05 jcamins Check capitalization.
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17:09 libsysguy chrome died for me again
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17:10 magnuse jcamins: gah! the one that worked had marcflavour = marc21. changing that to normarc and reindexing gives the same search error as on the other instance
17:12 jcamins I suggest you just submit a patch to make "normarc" be treated as "marc21".
17:12 magnuse but changing the esme one that never worked to marcflavour = marc21 does *not* solve the problem
17:13 jcamins magnuse: did you do a full reindex after changing the marcflavour?
17:13 magnuse jcamins: yup
17:14 magnuse sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -f -v esme
17:14 jcamins And you made sure that you didn't have any changes from when I told you to edit the various config files?
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17:15 magnuse hm, guess i did not revert the changes in koha-conf.xml
17:16 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #247: STILL FAILING in 1 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_Docs/247/
17:16 jenkins_koha nengard: add lists permissions
17:19 nengard i've got a question about the feature in bug 7310 (I did not read the entire thing yet) - if you're not allowing patrons to create public lists can they still allow people to add things to their private lists? seems like they shouldn't be allowed to ? but just thought I should check for the manual
17:19 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7310 enhancement, P3, ---,, RESOLVED FIXED, Improving permissions on lists (virtual shelves)
17:21 chris_n stupid gmail
17:23 nengard it's back
17:23 nengard or it's back for me
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17:24 jcamins nengard: apparently it's causing Chrome to crash for people who are seemingly not us.
17:24 nengard well it did crash for me earlier
17:24 nengard it's just fine now ?
17:25 senator weird. when the gmail outage started, it spontaneously crashed chrome for me too ( 23.0.1271.95 on 64-bit linux )
17:25 senator begin conspiracy theories
17:26 gerundio mine crashed 3 or 4 times in a matter of minutes
17:26 gerundio from what I read this happened to logged in users
17:26 jcamins It's a remote exploit of the Pentium hang bug!!
17:26 jcamins Everyone hide under a desk!
17:27 gerundio we tried to trace the browser traffic with Wireshark to see if we could figure out what was causing the crashes, but no luck so far :)
17:28 gerundio Google should apologize and reinstate Google Apps free edition again eheheeh
17:28 magnuse jcamins: there is another problem with bug 3087: debian/templates/ was not updated, so it is still hardcoded to <retrieval syntax="usmarc"
17:28 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3087 enhancement, P3, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , Z39.50 server returns usmarc format records for UNIMARC DB
17:28 jcamins magnuse: you should file another bug for that.
17:28 magnuse yup
17:29 jenkins_koha Starting build #248 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 7 mo 16 days ago)
17:29 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #248: STILL FAILING in 16 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_Docs/248/
17:29 jenkins_koha nengard: update lists permissions in the opac
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17:31 libsysguy gerundio jcamins ^^
17:32 jcamins Ah, Chrome sync.
17:32 jcamins I don't use it.
17:32 * libsysguy does
17:32 libsysguy its handy
17:32 jcamins I think it's lunch time.
17:32 libsysguy bring back hotdogs
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17:33 gerundio libsysguy, all back to normal now
17:33 gerundio sync is very handy indeed
17:33 libsysguy yup
17:36 gerundio is there any function to update a subfield for a given marc field on a record?
17:37 magnuse has anyone tried the 3.10 packages with unimarc?
17:37 gerundio I'm coding a script to update unimarc subfield 100 a
17:37 gerundio I'm able to see the values using $field->subfields()
17:38 gerundio I'm even able to update it using $field->{_subfields}[1] = new value
17:38 gerundio but I'm pretty sure there must be a better way
17:38 gerundio I can't really say if the value is always in index 1
17:39 magnuse gerundio:     my $subfield = $field->subfield( 'a' );
17:40 magnuse[…]ubfield%28code%29
17:41 gerundio then for update all I have to do is $field->update(a => 'new value'), right?
17:42 magnuse yeah, i think so
17:42 gerundio thanks a lot
17:43 magnuse jcamins: i did apt-get remove/install koha-common to reset the common configs, and now both instances work with marcflavour = marc21 and fails with marcflavour = normarc. that's some kind of progress, i guess :-)
17:45 magnuse i think that the conclusion so far is that 3087 broke the packages for marcflavour != marc21, but i might be wrong
17:47 jcamins magnuse: that's my conclusion as well.
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17:53 magnuse andeven if i choose nb-NO and normarc during installation, marcflavour is set to marc21 when i'm done with the installation... don't think it used to be like that
17:54 jcamins magnuse: I pushed a patch from you to fix that, and it worked when I tried it.
17:56 magnuse hm, the only one i can remember doing recently was the firstdayoftheweek setting
17:57 jcamins Oh, maybe that's the one I tested.
17:57 jcamins Alas, marcelr isn't around. I would've liked to ask if he'd heard of "Van Nelle."
17:58 magnuse oh well, i'll do some more digging tomorrow
17:58 magnuse jcamins: for lots of help and inspiration :-)
17:58 magnuse uh
17:58 magnuse jcamins++
17:58 magnuse there
17:59 gerundio jcamins, does the $field->update() function update all the references on the DB?
17:59 gerundio for that UNIMARC field 100 subfield a fix script
17:59 jenkins_koha Starting build #249 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 7 mo 16 days ago)
17:59 jcamins gerundio: no.
17:59 jenkins_koha Starting build #8 for job Koha_Docs_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:59 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #249: STILL FAILING in 11 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_Docs/249/
17:59 jenkins_koha nengard: update description
17:59 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.8.x build #8: SUCCESS in 11 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]oha_Docs_3.8.x/8/
17:59 jenkins_koha nengard: update description
18:00 magnuse bug 9256, btw
18:00 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9256 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , debian/templates/ is hardcoded to retrieval syntax = usmarc
18:00 gerundio so far I have 1. GetMarcBiblio, 2. update the value on sublfield a
18:00 gerundio do I have to do something else?
18:00 jcamins gerundio: it updates a single field in a single record.
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18:02 jcamins gerundio: you'll need to save the record.
18:04 gerundio ok, but will it update both marc and marcxml collumns or just one of them?
18:04 YoungPublicLibrarian Pasting a report to the board, if someone could take a quick look at it and give me some advice it would be great!
18:04 pastebot "YoungPublicLibrarian" at pasted "SELECT b.surname, b.firstname," (16 lines) at
18:05 YoungPublicLibrarian With that report, how would I limit the results to just a specific branches fines? It already limits the patrons to that of a specific branch.
18:05 jcamins It will save both, provided you use the API.
18:05 chris_n its about time google owned up to their problems
18:06 chris_n[…]&ts=1355201999000
18:06 jcamins If you're using the template script, the way it saves the record should work.
18:07 gerundio ok, jcamins, thanks again
18:08 gerundio now I have to run
18:08 gerundio tomorrow is another day
18:13 YoungPublicLibrarian Would I just need to add "AND i.homebranch = <<Home Branch|branches>>" to the where statement?
18:14 vfernandes bye koha community :) see you tomorrow
18:20 tcohen www::mechanize rules
18:21 jcamins tcohen: agreed!
18:25 rangi Is it the 10th in the us now?
18:25 YoungPublicLibrarian It is.
18:25 cait hm shoudl be
18:26 oleonard So someone's vacation should be over
18:26 YoungPublicLibrarian Would I just need to add "AND i.homebranch = <<Home Branch|branches>>" to the where statement of the report I posted earlier if I want to limit the results by fines just for a specific branch?
18:26 Topic for #koha is now yay sjohnson is back!!
18:27 libsysguy ^^
18:27 jcamins lol
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18:33 drojf sjohnson++
18:34 drojf lol
18:36 cait lol
18:44 tcohen heh rangi lol
18:54 YoungPublicLibrarian Would I just need to add "AND i.homebranch = <<Home Branch|branches>>" to the where statement of the report I'm posting now if I want to limit the results by fines just for a specific branch?
18:54 pastebot "YoungPublicLibrarian" at pasted "SELECT b.surname, b.firstname," (16 lines) at
18:56 reiveune bye
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19:15 * chris_n attempt to discern the output of
19:15 chris_n :/usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs# ./ -v
19:15 chris_n writing to /tmp/koha_biblios_2012-12-10.log
19:15 chris_n Fines assessment -- $today->ymd() -- Saved to $filename
19:15 chris_n Number of Overdue Items:
19:15 chris_n counted $overdue_items
19:15 chris_n reported $counted
19:15 chris_n look messed up to anyone else?
19:17 jcamins Yes.
19:18 cait hi chris_n :)
19:22 YoungPublicLibrarian Would I just need to add "AND i.homebranch = <<Home Branch|branches>>" to the where statement of this report ( if I want to limit the results by fines just for a specific branch?
19:24 rangi Try it and see
19:25 YoungPublicLibrarian Would love to, but my branch doesn't have report writing permissions...
19:26 rangi Can't help you with that then
19:26 YoungPublicLibrarian Does the logic seem correct?
19:26 rangi Ok meeting time
19:26 wahanui meeting time is, like, always going to favour one section of the globe
19:30 jcamins wahanui: you know, I think you may be right about that.
19:30 wahanui jcamins: what?
19:31 jcamins wahanui: never mind.
19:31 wahanui Oh good, I didn't understand and probably never will, being a bot.
19:33 cait lol
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20:11 tcohen jcamins, understood what you meant
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20:11 tcohen should that file be removed?
20:12 jcamins tcohen: I don't think so. I think it's very useful for someone who wants to set up a backup for themselves.
20:12 tcohen ok
20:12 jcamins And with 9235 it would probably be possible to even just tell people "run to backup your database."
20:13 tcohen yeap
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20:18 * cait gears up for qa
20:18 cait or something like that
20:23 oleonard Gearing up for QA:
20:23 cait i love the makeup
20:26 tcohen yeah, those mad QA team members are going hunt
20:27 jcamins Are we sure about the API for GetMember?
20:27 jcamins Yes we are.
20:27 jcamins Ugh.
20:29 tcohen jcamins, for building packages from master for testing, do I new squeeze or squeeze-dev in my k-c sources?
20:29 jcamins tcohen: squeeze-dev.
20:29 wahanui well, squeeze-dev is master
20:29 jcamins tcohen: but be prepared to spend lots of time gnashing your teeth.
20:30 jcamins That reminds me.
20:31 * jcamins files bug 9258.
20:31 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9258 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Debian packages should not depend on CHI
20:32 tcohen --- eq 'eythian'?
20:32 * jcamins will probably ask eythian to patch it, since he knows how to do it properly, yes.
20:34 tcohen my source tree is busy building some deb packages right now, and will be for a while (non-SSD box right now) :-P
20:34 cait hm
20:34 cait got an error updating my database?
20:35 jcamins cait: oh?
20:36 cait yeah it's weird
20:36 cait quite sure I never tested 7919
20:36 cait but it says the tables already exist
20:36 jcamins I had asked you to test bug 7919 a while ago, so maybe you did.
20:37 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7919 new feature, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Display of values depending on the connexion library (authorised values, patron categories, extended attributes)
20:37 cait hm no I didn't
20:37 jcamins Oh, well, you might also have updated when it was only semi-merged.
20:37 cait hm maybe
20:37 jcamins (there was no version number set)
20:37 cait possible
20:37 wahanui it has been said that possible is everything, but I think it's probably easy to miss something here
20:38 oleonard is really slow... 5.5 seconds to load a 65Kb jpeg :(
20:39 cait hm that sounds slow
20:39 jcamins Very slow.
20:39 cait are you testing or really doing it?
20:39 oleonard Of course that's on my dinky VM
20:39 oleonard I'm looking at how quickly assets load on
20:40 jcamins I hope we load the patron image in an AJAXy fashion?
20:40 jcamins If it takes 5.5 seconds.
20:41 oleonard It's an img src target, so I don't think doing it AJAXy would make a difference?
20:42 jcamins oleonard: I think the $(document).ready() Javascript won't fire until it's finished?
20:42 jcamins I could be mistaken.
20:42 oleonard I don't think that's correct
20:42 jcamins Do I have it backwards?
20:43 jcamins document.ready fires before everything has finished, and load fires after?
20:43 oleonard Yeah, that's why we have to use something like window.onload for managing Amazon covers and things like that
20:43 tcohen oh, --save-after-login, relieved i remembered u
20:43 jcamins Ah.
20:43 oleonard document.ready waits for the DOM to load, meaning the whole structure of the page
20:44 jcamins Okay, never mind, then.
20:44 jcamins I knew one of the triggers would wait until every single image had been downloaded.
20:57 jcamins Is anyone looking for a name for a boy? I suggest Gerald Hugh Tyrwhitt-Wilson.
20:58 tcohen root@koha-dev:~# koha-create --create-db test
20:58 tcohen awk: cmd. line:4: fatal: cannot open file `/etc/mysql/koha-common.cnf' for reading (No such file or directory)
20:58 oleonard Smashing.
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20:58 jcamins tcohen: sounds like koha-common might not be configured.
20:59 jcamins Try `sudo apt-get -f install`
20:59 tcohen dpkg-reconfigure
20:59 tcohen looks like i need mysql-server i guess
20:59 tcohen :-D
20:59 jcamins lol
20:59 jcamins Yes.
21:00 tcohen can i tell it I use an external db?
21:00 jcamins Yes, but then you have to write the koha-common.cnf file yourself.
21:00 tcohen ok
21:00 tcohen a dialog for entering that data would be handy
21:01 jcamins Ooh, that would be nifty.
21:04 tcohen yeah, some error handling too!
21:04 wizzyrea I am sure robin would take patches :)
21:05 jcamins See wizzyrea's response. ^^ ;)
21:07 tcohen i'll talk with robin about this
21:07 tcohen bye #koha
21:11 oleonard by #koha
21:27 * jcamins works out that "Le poisson d'or" is a "goldfish," eventually.
21:28 rambutan @seen brooke
21:28 huginn rambutan: brooke was last seen in #koha 7 hours, 59 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <Brooke> enywho, seriously, leaving this time
21:30 rambutan Brooke was involved in a discussion in Sept about printing ID cards from within Koha. Discussion seemed to end quickly, but somehow I want to poke that sleeping dog.
21:41 rangi rambutan: got your library card, thank you
21:41 rangi[…]47/in/photostream
21:41 eythian @later tell tcohen a debconf dialogue system for configuring things on install is On My List. Patches welcome however ;)
21:41 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded.
21:41 rambutan good!
21:52 drojf is it possible to cherry pick for a custom tarball installation? like having a certain version like 3.8.7 in git, cherrypicking a patch or two and then roll that into the tarball? how is that packed up for installation?
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21:54 jcamins drojf: yes, `git archive --format=tar --prefix=koha-drojf-3.10.01/ drojfsbranch | gzip > koha-drojf-3.10.01.tar.gz`
21:54 drojf cool, thanks
21:59 jcamins libsysguy: is libsysgut what you get when you spend too much time sitting in front of the computer working on Koha? :P
22:00 libsysguy pretty much jcamins
22:00 libsysguy and too much coffee
22:00 libsysguy the libsysgut just gets to churning
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22:04 wizzyrea libsysgut?
22:06 rambutan from beer fridays?
22:06 rambutan and wine thursdays?
22:07 wizzyrea and pizza wednesdays
22:07 jcamins Pizza...
22:07 wahanui hmmm... pizza is in the oven.
22:07 rambutan what about monday and tuesday?
22:07 jcamins yesss...
22:07 jcamins However, today is saag paneer Monday.
22:08 wizzyrea saag paneer.
22:08 wizzyrea now I want that.
22:08 wizzyrea curse you.
22:09 jcamins :P
22:09 rambutan chatting w/ jcamins also requires chatting w/ google sometimes
22:09 jcamins lol
22:09 cait hehe true
22:09 jcamins I started reading Les Miserables.
22:09 jcamins I finished book 1.
22:09 jcamins And got through the first six chapters of book 2.
22:10 rambutan and in French, si?
22:10 rambutan oui?
22:10 jcamins No, I cheated and went with an English translation.
22:10 rambutan 1/2 credit then
22:10 jcamins At that point I got thoroughly sick of reading a second-by-second recounting of the Battle of Waterloo, and took a break to read...
22:10 wizzyrea something in latin
22:10 jcamins 1 book on knitting, the Yellow Wallpaper, and a book on beer brewing.
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22:11 jcamins Oh!
22:11 jcamins And Metamorphosis.
22:11 wizzyrea i approve of your future beer brewing endeavours
22:11 jcamins bug 8878
22:12 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8878 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Signed Off , koha-shell: a command to make using koha commands easier
22:12 jcamins Heh. I don't think I'll be brewing beer
22:12 jcamins I don't really drink it.
22:12 eythian <-- jcamins you may also be interested in this blog
22:12 eythian oh, or you may not then.
22:12 jcamins A lot of my friends brew beer, though.
22:12 jcamins So I thought I would learn how to make a brewery ca. the turn of the last century.
22:13 eythian oh, then you will be interested in that blog.
22:13 jcamins Yes! Second picture is a scan of an ad from the nineteenth century!
22:13 * jcamins closes up.
22:13 eythian haha
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23:02 dcook Good morning/some time of day, #koha
23:02 rangi hey dcook
23:03 dcook hey rangi. How's life been treating you?
23:03 rangi busy busy, but good
23:03 rangi how about you?
23:04 dcook About the same. I've finished up my MLIS course requirements, so just waiting for my marks and letter of completion. I'll be back in Oz in about 3 weeks. Time sure flies...
23:06 rangi sweet!
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23:07 dcook It certainly feels good to be done grad school :)
23:10 dcook On a more Koha note, I don't suppose you've done much with using ICU with Zebra? I think I've got the main idea down, but it seems problematic if libraries have more records in more than one language :S
23:12 rangi i think talking to cait would be best
23:12 rangi she has libraries that have german and hebrew records
23:12 dcook Ooo
23:13 dcook Excellent
23:13 dcook I saw her talking a bit about it in the logs, so that's certainly an idea
23:14 dcook Thanks for the tip
23:15 rangi no worries
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23:40 drojf build-git-snapshot does a lot of things. unfortunately building a deb package is not one of them
23:40 rangi hm does for me
23:41 rangi just finished building one about 20 mins ago .. where is it stopping for you?
23:43 pastebot "drojf" at pasted "build deb package" (332 lines) at
23:44 drojf with all the dependencies and dummies i don't understand what is missing in the end
23:45 rangi you are missing a few
23:45 rangi what you need to do is add to your sources list in your pbuilder instance
23:46 rangi because a few packages have crept in that arent in squeeze
23:46 rangi (or even wheezy)
23:46 rangi so we have ahd to package them (we as in eythian)
23:46 drojf ah that makes sense
23:46 rangi what i do is
23:46 rangi sudo pbuilder --login --save-after-login
23:46 eythian the command that does it all is in the wiki
23:46 rangi and just check the sources.list and add it then logout
23:50 drojf eythian: what i did came from[…]es_-_The_Easy_Way
23:50 eythian yeah, it's actually the hard way
23:51 eythian[…]g_Debian_Packages
23:51 eythian feel free to update pages as appropriate :)
23:53 drojf we have way too many ways of doing things in the wiki ;)
23:53 eythian yeah
23:54 rangi yep
23:54 rangi feel free to mark some obsolete
23:54 rangi thats what i do
23:55 rangi[…]/Install-dep-cpan

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