Time  Nick                 Message
23:55 rangi                http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Install-dep-cpan
23:54 rangi                thats what i do
23:54 rangi                feel free to mark some obsolete
23:54 rangi                yep
23:53 eythian              yeah
23:53 drojf                we have way too many ways of doing things in the wiki ;)
23:51 eythian              feel free to update pages as appropriate :)
23:51 eythian              http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Building_Debian_Packages
23:50 eythian              yeah, it's actually the hard way
23:50 drojf                eythian: what i did came from http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Building_Debian_Packages_-_The_Easy_Way
23:46 rangi                and just check the sources.list and add it then logout
23:46 eythian              the command that does it all is in the wiki
23:46 rangi                sudo pbuilder --login --save-after-login
23:46 rangi                what i do is
23:46 drojf                ah that makes sense
23:46 rangi                so we have ahd to package them (we as in eythian)
23:46 rangi                (or even wheezy)
23:46 rangi                because a few packages have crept in that arent in squeeze
23:45 rangi                what you need to do is add debian.koha-community.org to your sources list in your pbuilder instance
23:45 rangi                you are missing a few
23:44 drojf                with all the dependencies and dummies i don't understand what is missing in the end
23:43 pastebot             "drojf" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "build deb package" (332 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/308
23:41 rangi                just finished building one about 20 mins ago .. where is it stopping for you?
23:40 rangi                hm does for me
23:40 drojf                build-git-snapshot does a lot of things. unfortunately building a deb package is not one of them
23:15 rangi                no worries
23:14 dcook                Thanks for the tip
23:13 dcook                I saw her talking a bit about it in the logs, so that's certainly an idea
23:13 dcook                Excellent
23:12 dcook                Ooo
23:12 rangi                she has libraries that have german and hebrew records
23:12 rangi                i think talking to cait would be best
23:10 dcook                On a more Koha note, I don't suppose you've done much with using ICU with Zebra? I think I've got the main idea down, but it seems problematic if libraries have more records in more than one language :S
23:07 dcook                It certainly feels good to be done grad school :)
23:06 rangi                sweet!
23:04 dcook                About the same. I've finished up my MLIS course requirements, so just waiting for my marks and letter of completion. I'll be back in Oz in about 3 weeks. Time sure flies...
23:03 rangi                how about you?
23:03 rangi                busy busy, but good
23:03 dcook                hey rangi. How's life been treating you?
23:02 rangi                hey dcook
23:02 dcook                Good morning/some time of day, #koha
22:13 eythian              haha
22:13 * jcamins            closes up.
22:13 jcamins              Yes! Second picture is a scan of an ad from the nineteenth century!
22:13 eythian              oh, then you will be interested in that blog.
22:12 jcamins              So I thought I would learn how to make a brewery ca. the turn of the last century.
22:12 jcamins              A lot of my friends brew beer, though.
22:12 eythian              oh, or you may not then.
22:12 eythian              http://zythophile.wordpress.com/ <-- jcamins you may also be interested in this blog
22:12 jcamins              I don't really drink it.
22:12 jcamins              Heh. I don't think I'll be brewing beer
22:12 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8878 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Signed Off , koha-shell: a command to make using koha commands easier
22:11 jcamins              bug 8878
22:11 wizzyrea             i approve of your future beer brewing endeavours
22:11 jcamins              And Metamorphosis.
22:11 jcamins              Oh!
22:10 jcamins              1 book on knitting, the Yellow Wallpaper, and a book on beer brewing.
22:10 wizzyrea             something in latin
22:10 jcamins              At that point I got thoroughly sick of reading a second-by-second recounting of the Battle of Waterloo, and took a break to read...
22:10 rambutan             1/2 credit then
22:10 jcamins              No, I cheated and went with an English translation.
22:10 rambutan             oui?
22:10 rambutan             and in French, si?
22:09 jcamins              And got through the first six chapters of book 2.
22:09 jcamins              I finished book 1.
22:09 jcamins              I started reading Les Miserables.
22:09 cait                 hehe true
22:09 jcamins              lol
22:09 rambutan             chatting w/ jcamins also requires chatting w/ google sometimes
22:09 jcamins              :P
22:08 wizzyrea             curse you.
22:08 wizzyrea             now I want that.
22:08 wizzyrea             saag paneer.
22:07 jcamins              However, today is saag paneer Monday.
22:07 jcamins              yesss...
22:07 rambutan             what about monday and tuesday?
22:07 wahanui              hmmm... pizza is in the oven.
22:07 jcamins              Pizza...
22:07 wizzyrea             and pizza wednesdays
22:06 rambutan             and wine thursdays?
22:06 rambutan             from beer fridays?
22:04 wizzyrea             libsysgut?
22:00 libsysguy            the libsysgut just gets to churning
22:00 libsysguy            and too much coffee
22:00 libsysguy            pretty much jcamins
21:59 jcamins              libsysguy: is libsysgut what you get when you spend too much time sitting in front of the computer working on Koha? :P
21:54 drojf                cool, thanks
21:54 jcamins              drojf: yes, `git archive --format=tar --prefix=koha-drojf-3.10.01/ drojfsbranch | gzip > koha-drojf-3.10.01.tar.gz`
21:52 drojf                is it possible to cherry pick for a custom tarball installation? like having a certain version like 3.8.7 in git, cherrypicking a patch or two and then roll that into the tarball? how is that packed up for installation?
21:41 rambutan             good!
21:41 huginn               eythian: The operation succeeded.
21:41 eythian              @later tell tcohen a debconf dialogue system for configuring things on install is On My List. Patches welcome however ;)
21:41 rangi                http://www.flickr.com/photos/ranginui/8258093247/in/photostream
21:41 rangi                rambutan: got your library card, thank you
21:30 rambutan             Brooke was involved in a discussion in Sept about printing ID cards from within Koha. Discussion seemed to end quickly, but somehow I want to poke that sleeping dog.
21:28 huginn               rambutan: brooke was last seen in #koha 7 hours, 59 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <Brooke> enywho, seriously, leaving this time
21:28 rambutan             @seen brooke
21:27 * jcamins            works out that "Le poisson d'or" is a "goldfish," eventually.
21:11 oleonard             by #koha
21:07 tcohen               bye #koha
21:07 tcohen               i'll talk with robin about this
21:05 jcamins              See wizzyrea's response. ^^ ;)
21:04 wizzyrea             I am sure robin would take patches :)
21:04 tcohen               yeah, some error handling too!
21:01 jcamins              Ooh, that would be nifty.
21:00 tcohen               a dialog for entering that data would be handy
21:00 tcohen               ok
21:00 jcamins              Yes, but then you have to write the koha-common.cnf file yourself.
21:00 tcohen               can i tell it I use an external db?
20:59 jcamins              Yes.
20:59 jcamins              lol
20:59 tcohen               :-D
20:59 tcohen               looks like i need mysql-server i guess
20:59 tcohen               dpkg-reconfigure
20:59 jcamins              Try `sudo apt-get -f install`
20:58 jcamins              tcohen: sounds like koha-common might not be configured.
20:58 oleonard             Smashing.
20:58 tcohen               awk: cmd. line:4: fatal: cannot open file `/etc/mysql/koha-common.cnf' for reading (No such file or directory)
20:58 tcohen               root@koha-dev:~# koha-create --create-db test
20:57 jcamins              Is anyone looking for a name for a boy? I suggest Gerald Hugh Tyrwhitt-Wilson.
20:44 jcamins              I knew one of the triggers would wait until every single image had been downloaded.
20:44 jcamins              Okay, never mind, then.
20:43 oleonard             document.ready waits for the DOM to load, meaning the whole structure of the page
20:43 jcamins              Ah.
20:43 tcohen               oh, --save-after-login, relieved i remembered u
20:43 oleonard             Yeah, that's why we have to use something like window.onload for managing Amazon covers and things like that
20:43 jcamins              document.ready fires before everything has finished, and load fires after?
20:42 jcamins              Do I have it backwards?
20:42 oleonard             I don't think that's correct
20:42 jcamins              I could be mistaken.
20:42 jcamins              oleonard: I think the $(document).ready() Javascript won't fire until it's finished?
20:41 oleonard             It's an img src target, so I don't think doing it AJAXy would make a difference?
20:40 jcamins              If it takes 5.5 seconds.
20:40 jcamins              I hope we load the patron image in an AJAXy fashion?
20:39 oleonard             I'm looking at how quickly assets load on circulation.pl
20:39 oleonard             Of course that's on my dinky VM
20:39 cait                 are you testing or really doing it?
20:39 jcamins              Very slow.
20:39 cait                 hm that sounds slow
20:38 oleonard             members.patronimage.pl is really slow... 5.5 seconds to load a 65Kb jpeg :(
20:37 wahanui              it has been said that possible is everything, but I think it's probably easy to miss something here
20:37 cait                 possible
20:37 jcamins              (there was no version number set)
20:37 cait                 hm maybe
20:37 jcamins              Oh, well, you might also have updated when it was only semi-merged.
20:37 cait                 hm no I didn't
20:37 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7919 new feature, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Display of values depending on the connexion library (authorised values, patron categories, extended attributes)
20:36 jcamins              I had asked you to test bug 7919 a while ago, so maybe you did.
20:36 cait                 but it says the tables already exist
20:36 cait                 quite sure I never tested 7919
20:36 cait                 yeah it's weird
20:35 jcamins              cait: oh?
20:34 cait                 got an error updating my database?
20:34 cait                 hm
20:34 tcohen               my source tree is busy building some deb packages right now, and will be for a while (non-SSD box right now) :-P
20:32 * jcamins            will probably ask eythian to patch it, since he knows how to do it properly, yes.
20:32 tcohen               --- eq 'eythian'?
20:31 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9258 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Debian packages should not depend on CHI
20:31 * jcamins            files bug 9258.
20:30 jcamins              That reminds me.
20:29 jcamins              tcohen: but be prepared to spend lots of time gnashing your teeth.
20:29 wahanui              well, squeeze-dev is master
20:29 jcamins              tcohen: squeeze-dev.
20:29 tcohen               jcamins, for building packages from master for testing, do I new squeeze or squeeze-dev in my k-c sources?
20:27 jcamins              Ugh.
20:27 jcamins              Yes we are.
20:27 jcamins              Are we sure about the API for GetMember?
20:26 tcohen               yeah, those mad QA team members are going hunt
20:23 cait                 i love the makeup
20:23 oleonard             Gearing up for QA: http://bit.ly/XKNDZh
20:18 cait                 or something like that
20:18 * cait               gears up for qa
20:13 tcohen               yeap
20:12 jcamins              And with 9235 it would probably be possible to even just tell people "run backup.sh to backup your database."
20:12 tcohen               ok
20:12 jcamins              tcohen: I don't think so. I think it's very useful for someone who wants to set up a backup for themselves.
20:11 tcohen               should that file be removed?
20:11 tcohen               jcamins, understood what you meant
19:33 cait                 lol
19:31 wahanui              Oh good, I didn't understand and probably never will, being a bot.
19:31 jcamins              wahanui: never mind.
19:30 wahanui              jcamins: what?
19:30 jcamins              wahanui: you know, I think you may be right about that.
19:26 wahanui              meeting time is, like, always going to favour one section of the globe
19:26 rangi                Ok meeting time
19:26 YoungPublicLibrarian Does the logic seem correct?
19:26 rangi                Can't help you with that then
19:25 YoungPublicLibrarian Would love to, but my branch doesn't have report writing permissions...
19:24 rangi                Try it and see
19:22 YoungPublicLibrarian Would I just need to add "AND i.homebranch = <<Home Branch|branches>>" to the where statement of this report (http://paste.koha-community.org/307) if I want to limit the results by fines just for a specific branch?
19:18 cait                 hi chris_n :)
19:17 jcamins              Yes.
19:15 chris_n              look messed up to anyone else?
19:15 chris_n              reported $counted
19:15 chris_n              counted $overdue_items
19:15 chris_n              Number of Overdue Items:
19:15 chris_n              Fines assessment -- $today->ymd() -- Saved to $filename
19:15 chris_n              writing to /tmp/koha_biblios_2012-12-10.log
19:15 chris_n              :/usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs# ./fines.pl -v
19:15 * chris_n            attempt to discern the output of fines.pl...
18:56 reiveune             bye
18:54 pastebot             "YoungPublicLibrarian" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "SELECT b.surname, b.firstname," (16 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/307
18:54 YoungPublicLibrarian Would I just need to add "AND i.homebranch = <<Home Branch|branches>>" to the where statement of the report I'm posting now if I want to limit the results by fines just for a specific branch?
18:44 tcohen               heh rangi lol
18:36 cait                 lol
18:34 drojf                lol
18:34 tweetbot`            [off] twitter: @ranginui: "Yay sjohnson is back from vacation! #kohails"
18:33 drojf                sjohnson++
18:27 jcamins              lol
18:27 libsysguy            ^^
18:26 YoungPublicLibrarian Would I just need to add "AND i.homebranch = <<Home Branch|branches>>" to the where statement of the report I posted earlier if I want to limit the results by fines just for a specific branch?
18:26 oleonard             So someone's vacation should be over
18:25 cait                 hm shoudl be
18:25 YoungPublicLibrarian It is.
18:25 rangi                Is it the 10th in the us now?
18:21 jcamins              tcohen: agreed!
18:20 tcohen               www::mechanize rules
18:14 vfernandes           bye koha community :) see you tomorrow
18:13 YoungPublicLibrarian Would I just need to add "AND i.homebranch = <<Home Branch|branches>>" to the where statement?
18:08 gerundio             tomorrow is another day
18:08 gerundio             now I have to run
18:07 gerundio             ok, jcamins, thanks again
18:06 jcamins              If you're using the template script, the way it saves the record should work.
18:06 chris_n              http://www.google.com/appsstatus#hl=en&v=status&ts=1355201999000
18:05 chris_n              its about time google owned up to their problems
18:05 jcamins              It will save both, provided you use the API.
18:05 YoungPublicLibrarian With that report, how would I limit the results to just a specific branches fines? It already limits the patrons to that of a specific branch.
18:04 pastebot             "YoungPublicLibrarian" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "SELECT b.surname, b.firstname," (16 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/306
18:04 YoungPublicLibrarian Pasting a report to the board, if someone could take a quick look at it and give me some advice it would be great!
18:04 gerundio             ok, but will it update both marc and marcxml collumns or just one of them?
18:02 jcamins              gerundio: you'll need to save the record.
18:00 jcamins              gerundio: it updates a single field in a single record.
18:00 gerundio             do I have to do something else?
18:00 gerundio             so far I have 1. GetMarcBiblio, 2. update the value on sublfield a
18:00 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9256 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , debian/templates/koha-conf-site.xml.in is hardcoded to retrieval syntax = usmarc
18:00 magnuse              bug 9256, btw
17:59 jenkins_koha         nengard: update cleanup_database.pl description
17:59 jenkins_koha         Project Koha_Docs_3.8.x build #8: SUCCESS in 11 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.8.x/8/
17:59 jenkins_koha         nengard: update cleanup_database.pl description
17:59 jenkins_koha         Project Koha_Docs build #249: STILL FAILING in 11 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/249/
17:59 jenkins_koha         Starting build #8 for job Koha_Docs_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:59 jcamins              gerundio: no.
17:59 jenkins_koha         Starting build #249 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 7 mo 16 days ago)
17:59 gerundio             for that UNIMARC field 100 subfield a fix script
17:59 gerundio             jcamins, does the $field->update() function update all the references on the DB?
17:58 magnuse              there
17:58 magnuse              jcamins++
17:58 magnuse              uh
17:58 magnuse              jcamins: for lots of help and inspiration :-)
17:58 magnuse              oh well, i'll do some more digging tomorrow
17:57 jcamins              Alas, marcelr isn't around. I would've liked to ask if he'd heard of "Van Nelle."
17:57 jcamins              Oh, maybe that's the one I tested.
17:56 magnuse              hm, the only one i can remember doing recently was the firstdayoftheweek setting
17:54 jcamins              magnuse: I pushed a patch from you to fix that, and it worked when I tried it.
17:53 magnuse              andeven if i choose nb-NO and normarc during installation, marcflavour is set to marc21 when i'm done with the installation... don't think it used to be like that
17:47 jcamins              magnuse: that's my conclusion as well.
17:45 magnuse              i think that the conclusion so far is that 3087 broke the packages for marcflavour != marc21, but i might be wrong
17:43 magnuse              jcamins: i did apt-get remove/install koha-common to reset the common configs, and now both instances work with marcflavour = marc21 and fails with marcflavour = normarc. that's some kind of progress, i guess :-)
17:42 gerundio             thanks a lot
17:42 magnuse              yeah, i think so
17:41 gerundio             then for update all I have to do is $field->update(a => 'new value'), right?
17:40 magnuse              http://search.cpan.org/~gmcharlt/MARC-Record-2.0.3/lib/MARC/Field.pm#subfield%28code%29
17:39 magnuse              gerundio:     my $subfield = $field->subfield( 'a' );
17:38 gerundio             I can't really say if the value is always in index 1
17:38 gerundio             but I'm pretty sure there must be a better way
17:38 gerundio             I'm even able to update it using $field->{_subfields}[1] = new value
17:37 gerundio             I'm able to see the values using $field->subfields()
17:37 gerundio             I'm coding a script to update unimarc subfield 100 a
17:37 magnuse              has anyone tried the 3.10 packages with unimarc?
17:36 gerundio             is there any function to update a subfield for a given marc field on a record?
17:33 libsysguy            yup
17:33 gerundio             sync is very handy indeed
17:33 gerundio             libsysguy, all back to normal now
17:32 libsysguy            bring back hotdogs
17:32 jcamins              I think it's lunch time.
17:32 libsysguy            its handy
17:32 * libsysguy          does
17:32 jcamins              I don't use it.
17:32 jcamins              Ah, Chrome sync.
17:31 libsysguy            gerundio jcamins ^^
17:31 libsysguy            http://www.theverge.com/2012/12/10/3750934/gmail-is-down
17:29 jenkins_koha         nengard: update lists permissions in the opac
17:29 jenkins_koha         Project Koha_Docs build #248: STILL FAILING in 16 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/248/
17:29 jenkins_koha         Starting build #248 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 7 mo 16 days ago)
17:28 magnuse              yup
17:28 jcamins              magnuse: you should file another bug for that.
17:28 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3087 enhancement, P3, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , Z39.50 server returns usmarc format records for UNIMARC DB
17:28 magnuse              jcamins: there is another problem with bug 3087: debian/templates/koha-conf-site.xml.in was not updated, so it is still hardcoded to <retrieval syntax="usmarc"
17:28 gerundio             Google should apologize and reinstate Google Apps free edition again eheheeh
17:27 gerundio             we tried to trace the browser traffic with Wireshark to see if we could figure out what was causing the crashes, but no luck so far :)
17:26 jcamins              Everyone hide under a desk!
17:26 jcamins              It's a remote exploit of the Pentium hang bug!!
17:26 gerundio             from what I read this happened to logged in users
17:26 gerundio             mine crashed 3 or 4 times in a matter of minutes
17:25 senator              begin conspiracy theories
17:25 senator              weird. when the gmail outage started, it spontaneously crashed chrome for me too ( 23.0.1271.95 on 64-bit linux )
17:24 nengard              it's just fine now ?
17:24 nengard              well it did crash for me earlier
17:24 jcamins              nengard: apparently it's causing Chrome to crash for people who are seemingly not us.
17:23 nengard              or it's back for me
17:23 nengard              it's back
17:21 chris_n              stupid gmail
17:19 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7310 enhancement, P3, ---, m.de.rooy, RESOLVED FIXED, Improving permissions on lists (virtual shelves)
17:19 nengard              i've got a question about the feature in bug 7310 (I did not read the entire thing yet) - if you're not allowing patrons to create public lists can they still allow people to add things to their private lists? seems like they shouldn't be allowed to ? but just thought I should check for the manual
17:16 jenkins_koha         nengard: add lists permissions
17:16 jenkins_koha         Project Koha_Docs build #247: STILL FAILING in 1 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/247/
17:15 magnuse              hm, guess i did not revert the changes in koha-conf.xml
17:15 jenkins_koha         Starting build #247 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 7 mo 16 days ago)
17:14 jcamins              And you made sure that you didn't have any changes from when I told you to edit the various config files?
17:14 magnuse              sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -f -v esme
17:13 magnuse              jcamins: yup
17:13 jcamins              magnuse: did you do a full reindex after changing the marcflavour?
17:12 magnuse              but changing the esme one that never worked to marcflavour = marc21 does *not* solve the problem
17:12 jcamins              I suggest you just submit a patch to make "normarc" be treated as "marc21".
17:10 magnuse              jcamins: gah! the one that worked had marcflavour = marc21. changing that to normarc and reindexing gives the same search error as on the other instance
17:09 libsysguy            chrome died for me again
17:06 tweetbot`            [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails  Updating Personal Information in Koha 3.6 http://t.co/0aErBpHq"
17:05 jcamins              Check capitalization.
17:04 * jcamins            blames marcflavour.
17:04 magnuse              on both instances
17:04 magnuse              so the config files are all from 3.10
17:04 jcamins              Hmm...
17:04 magnuse              just koha-mysql esme < esme.sql
17:04 magnuse              nope
17:04 * jcamins            thought you had.
17:04 jcamins              Okay, so you did not use koha-restore at all?
17:04 magnuse              the first one does not work, the swcond one does
17:03 magnuse              then staged/imported the records from the dumped instance into the clean one
17:03 magnuse              um no. i created two instances, then loaded a 3.8 database dump into it one, and ran through the web installer on the other
17:02 jcamins              magnuse: so you restored an instance with no data?
17:01 magnuse              jcamins: nope. and i'm not sure it can be that, since another instance created in just the same way on the same server, but with a clean database works. i suspect it must ve something in the database
16:59 jcamins              Nope.
16:59 gerundio             jcamins, and yours didn't crash?
16:59 jcamins              gerundio: I had Gmail open in two tabs.
16:59 chris_n              you know its not a going to be a good monday when the first thing you see on your linux workstation is a screen full of /dev/foo media errors where foo is your single hdd
16:58 gerundio             I guess chrome crashed for users who had gmail opened in a tab or something
16:58 gerundio             yeap
16:58 * oleonard           is using Chrome Canary at the moment
16:58 jcamins              Gmail is having a service disruption, I think.
16:57 jcamins              Chrome works fine for me.
16:57 libsysguy            and yes
16:57 wahanui              well, google chrome is fine
16:57 libsysguy            google chrome
16:57 libsysguy            no
16:55 oleonard             Do you mean Google Mail?
16:54 gerundio             did yours crashed too just now?
16:54 oleonard             Yes
16:54 gerundio             off topic: anybody here using Google Chrome?
16:35 jcamins              At least, it didn't use to.
16:35 vfernandes           ok thanks
16:35 jcamins              No.
16:34 vfernandes           humm ok... I thought suspension in days started at the beginning of the debar
16:34 jcamins              It's just a checkbox.
16:33 jcamins              They don't.
16:33 jcamins              I thought you were using fine-in-days.
16:33 jcamins              I didn't think the overdue triggers allowed you to set the number of days.
16:32 vfernandes           on third overdue email (16 days after overdue) the patron is debarred and suspended for 30 days
16:31 vfernandes           yes... but I have a 30 days suspension
16:31 oleonard             Are you talking about a debarral which is set by circulation rules?
16:30 kf                   bye all
16:30 vfernandes           in which table?
16:30 oleonard             "Plain," non-date-dependent debarrals are set to that date
16:29 vfernandes           from now?
16:29 vfernandes           shouldn't be set to 30 days?
16:28 oleonard             That is correct
16:28 vfernandes           :/
16:28 vfernandes           debarred is always being set to '9999-12-31'
16:12 gerundio             Portuguese librarians love suspensions :p
16:09 vfernandes           let me test it
16:08 jcamins              Suspensions aren't commonly used in the US, so I've only ever used the feature when testing bugs.
16:08 jcamins              I do not know.
16:07 vfernandes           after X days returns returns another overdue... those X days can be sum to the suspension?
16:07 jcamins              Is that a problem?
16:06 vfernandes           it's possible to set the following: a patron returns a overdue book with more than 15 days... the patron is debarred for 30 days
16:05 vfernandes           ?
16:05 vfernandes           how suspensions works in koha 3.8.X
15:48 jcamins              magnuse: did changing the syntax work?
15:46 jcamins              gerundio: you have to configure Koha to treat weekends as holidays.
15:39 vfernandes           then you have so see your configurations if circulation and holds are using the close days or not
15:38 vfernandes           yes
15:37 gerundio             so all I have to do is set 2 "Holiday repeating weekly", 1 for Saturday and 1 for Sunday?
15:36 vfernandes           you have to set in the library calendar that weekends are close days
15:36 gerundio             I just got a complaint saying that weekends were being accounted for
15:36 vfernandes           depends on the library calendar
15:35 gerundio             btw, does koha consider weekends as open library days?
15:35 gerundio             vfernandes, thanks for submitting the bug
15:19 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9254 enhancement, P2, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Problem with EnhancedMessagingPreferences
15:19 vfernandes           gerundio: bug 9254 created
15:13 * druthb             giggles at wahanui
15:13 tweetbot`            [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Call for Participation: Library Perceptions 2012 http://t.co/xh29BENW #kohails"
15:12 wahanui              oleonard is not really here.  He said so.  He did!
15:12 gerundio             hey oleonard
15:12 oleonard             Hi #koha
15:11 vfernandes           I will fill up a bug with this
15:11 gerundio             otherwise it seems like patrons can simply turn off notices
15:11 gerundio             vfernandes, my point too
15:10 H                    sudo koha-create --create-db bibliotheek sudo: koha-create: command not found ... annyone ?
15:05 vfernandes           maybe the preference should be change to only activate the configuration in the staff client... and then should be another to activate it in the OPAC
15:03 vfernandes           but it's the only way to activate the email sending
15:03 vfernandes           yes they can change it on the OPAC
15:03 gerundio             it looked to me that this allowed patrons to change their notices policies
15:02 gerundio             the text for the description of what this field does lead me in error
15:02 vfernandes           *has now
15:02 vfernandes           each patron was now the same table on the details page
15:01 gerundio             vfernandes, EnhancedMessagingPreferences was the answers
15:00 vfernandes           Have you enable EnhancedMessagingPreferences? Then when creating or editing a category will be a table in the end with the notices preferences
14:59 vfernandes           ..../cgi-bin/koha/admin/categorie.pl
14:59 gerundio             Overdue notice required?!?
14:58 gerundio             I looked in "Patron category administration" but I don't see any such option
14:58 vfernandes           administration -> patron categories
14:58 gerundio             where can I check the patron category messaging setting?
14:58 vfernandes           for the existent patron I think you will need to set them manually
14:57 kf                   vfernandes++ yep exactly :)
14:57 kf                   the standards from the patron category are only applied to new patrons, for existing the messages are deactivated
14:57 gerundio             kf, all users have valid email addresses since our auth is being made via LDAP
14:57 vfernandes           and then set for each patron category the default message set
14:57 kf                   and have the boxes ticked for the messages they want to receive
14:56 kf                   they have to make sure the patrons they test with have email addresses
14:56 vfernandes           you have to enable EnhancedMessagingPreferences
14:56 gerundio             borrowed some books and didn't return them to check the fines and overdue delivery notices
14:56 kf                   checkout and checkin slips by email then?
14:56 kf                   but it's not for overdues, that's why I was asking aboutthe message you want to send :)
14:56 gerundio             kf, some of our library operators have made some circulation tests
14:56 kf                   no, it enables the notices listed in the table in general - standards to be set at the patron category level
14:55 kf                   gerundio: which kind of notices are you trying to send?
14:55 gerundio             but that just seems to enable patrons to set they're notices receiving options, right?
14:55 gerundio             EnhancedMessagingPreferences is not enabled
14:54 vfernandes           EnhancedMessagingPreferences is enable?
14:54 vfernandes           every patron category as messaging enable?
14:53 gerundio             exactly
14:53 gerundio             as if no messages have been generated
14:53 vfernandes           so the messages aren't being generated
14:53 gerundio             which I find to be weird
14:53 gerundio             the message_queue table is empty
14:52 vfernandes           you can check in the database directly or in the patron details messages separator
14:52 vfernandes           which is the result of the messages? failed?
14:51 gerundio             the cronjobs are in place too
14:51 gerundio             yes
14:51 vfernandes           have you set the KohaEmailAdminAddress or something like that?
14:51 gerundio             didn't find any relevant info there though
14:50 gerundio             drojf, I did
14:50 * drojf              goes out into the snow
14:49 drojf                have you checked the logs?
14:49 gerundio             I'm not sure what is originating this behavior, so I wanted to make sure everything is set up properly
14:48 gerundio             but the notices aren't being received by patrons
14:48 gerundio             I have postfix set on the server
14:48 gerundio             is there any guide on how to setup email on koha?
14:47 gerundio             email setup?
14:47 gerundio             email?
14:47 wahanui              somebody said mail was not understandable
14:47 gerundio             mail?
14:39 mib_6eiq2g           thank you, i have asked for the instructions for the installation and one gives me this
14:38 drojf                too
14:38 drojf                that should be easier to install to
14:38 drojf                please see http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages
14:38 drojf                then you have the wrong guide
14:38 mib_6eiq2g           for a regular one
14:37 drojf                mib_6eiq2g: are you looking for a development version or a regular version of koha?
14:37 mib_6eiq2g           the last three commands that i have execute are this $ export __KOHA_USER__=$USER $ export __KOHA_GROUP__=$USER $ echo $USER and when i try to execute $ perl Makefile.PL  i give me an error
14:37 vfernandes           printslip.pl uses the template, moremember.pl not.... shouldn't both of them use the templateS?
14:37 drojf                mib_6eiq2g: are you looking for a development version or a regular version of koha?
14:37 drojf                heh. ignore wahanui
14:37 wahanui              the problem is it's human beings doing it. Rebuild your indexes.
14:37 drojf                what is the problem?
14:37 drojf                mib_6eiq2g: it would help to ask a specific question. "don't know what to do" is pretty vague
14:37 drojf                i don't see how we are more interesting than the french list or the spanish one
14:37 mib_6eiq2g           hi i'm trying to install koha using the  instructions from this page, http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_git#Ubuntu_Packages_from_List  , i have create the database and the user but now i don't know what to do
14:37 drojf                but a reference to that page
14:37 drojf                the other language specific lists are also not there
14:37 kf                   drojf: yeah, listed, but on a page that is quite hidden - maybe a little bit of advertising would be good? :)
14:37 drojf                more snow…
14:37 huginn               drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 0.6°C (3:13 PM CET on December 10, 2012). Conditions: Snow. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady).
14:37 drojf                @wunder berlin, germany
14:37 vfernandes           if I'm at patron details on details tab and then I press "print quick slip" the user is redirect to moremember.pl
14:30 vfernandes           if I'm at patron details on check out tab and then I press "print quick slip" the user is redirect to printslip.pl
14:29 vfernandes           something is wrong....
14:22 vfernandes           is this normal?
14:22 vfernandes           one thing: the slips are configurable on notices interface but they aren't used on the moremember-receipt.tt
14:12 jcamins              Good luck!
14:12 jcamins              Okay, I need to pack up and go.
14:12 jcamins              You'll just want to check that it should be set to "normarc" and not something else.
14:11 magnuse              with normarc, of course
14:11 magnuse              so i should run those sed commands?
14:10 magnuse              hehe
14:09 jcamins              Though obviously you don't want to set it to UNIMARC.
14:09 * magnuse            reads
14:09 huginn               04Bug 3087: enhancement, P3, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , Z39.50 server returns usmarc format records for UNIMARC DB
14:09 jcamins              http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3087#c29
14:08 jcamins              Yes, but they also come along with the configuration.
14:08 magnuse              but the records i'm indexing here came along with the database dump?
14:08 jcamins              Paul has instructions for fixing the problem.
14:08 jcamins              Oh, look at that.
14:07 jcamins              The problem is somewhere before the records get into Koha.
14:07 magnuse              hm, not sure i see the relevance?
14:03 jcamins              Fridolyn's suggestion is a good one.
14:03 wahanui              interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
14:03 jcamins              Interesting!
14:02 drojf                kf: it's listed on the lists site automatically i think
13:55 magnuse              :-(
13:54 jcamins              I don't see any problem.
13:53 jcamins              Hm.
13:50 magnuse              jcamins: there you go: http://div.libriotech.no/kohamisc/esme-vvv.txt
13:48 magnuse              just need to scp that file around a bit...
13:48 jcamins              Yes.
13:47 magnuse              and "2&> ~/esme-vvv.txt" to redirect all of the output to a file, right?
13:46 jcamins              Looks like it does, so yes.
13:45 jcamins              If it passes the -v through, then yes.
13:45 magnuse              jcamins: would this work? $ sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -f -v -v -v esme
13:45 kf                   oh ok
13:43 jcamins              catalog.bywatersolutions.com.
13:43 jcamins              kf: nope.
13:43 kf                   normarc specific problem?:(
13:42 jcamins              -b
13:42 jcamins              Would you try running rebuild_zebra.pl -v -v -v -r -x
13:41 magnuse              yeah
13:41 jcamins              Yup. And it knows you have 150 records.
13:41 magnuse              it's giving the right number of results, compared to the old installation
13:40 magnuse              looks to me like it is finding the records, but can't display them
13:40 jcamins              Which is of course a very different thing.
13:40 jcamins              Or, rather, to have been recorded in the indexes.
13:39 jcamins              Okay, *none* of your records appear to have been indexed.
13:38 magnuse              [off] http://esme.testing.bibkat.no/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=lessig
13:38 magnuse              heh, that gives a weird result list
13:38 jcamins              I want to know if it's giving good results.
13:38 magnuse              jcamins: ok
13:37 jcamins              magnuse: okay, add the same if statement on line 476.
13:35 kf                   drojf: also, maybe we shoudl send an email to the normal Koha list as well - some people might have missed that there is a list at all
13:35 tcohen               thanks, for that push btw jcamins
13:35 kf                   drojf: did you ask wizzy to put the new lmailing list on the website yet?
13:35 magnuse              jcamins: that gives me Can't call method "render" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Search.pm line 476.
13:35 tcohen               hi jcamins
13:34 magnuse              jcamins: done
13:33 H                    thx for the info
13:33 H                    ok
13:33 jcamins              H: you do not need libchi-perl. It's optional.
13:32 jcamins              Add an "if $results[ $i - 1 ]->record($j);" at the end.
13:32 H                    http://mibpaste.com/8ZiohX
13:32 jcamins              Go to line 461 of C4::Search.
13:32 jcamins              Good.
13:32 magnuse              yup
13:31 jcamins              Do you have this loaded onto a development server where you can follow my destructive instructions?
13:31 jcamins              Hm.
13:30 magnuse              jcamins: no change after stop/start/reindex
13:28 Brooke               enywho, seriously, leaving this time
13:27 drojf                what did i miss? zebra apocalypse?
13:27 magnuse              hm, no
13:27 * Brooke             hands jcamins a spanner
13:27 wahanui              morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast.
13:27 jcamins              Morning.
13:27 Brooke               proving once again that *everything* is related to the search rewrite.
13:26 Brooke               and those silly humans think that it's going to be a zombie apocalypse Waha...
13:26 kf                   btw good morning jcamins :)
13:26 druthb               EX-TER-MIN-ATE.
13:26 jcamins              magnuse: did you restart Zebra?
13:25 magnuse              gaaah, the bots are coming!
13:25 Brooke               magnuse druthb isn't a bot, I am. DUN DUN DUNNNNNN
13:25 magnuse              hehe, yeah
13:25 jcamins              Bet you're wishing I'd gotten further in the search rewrite, huh? ;)
13:24 magnuse              jcamins: yup. i can't get my head around it
13:23 jcamins              magnuse: that is one weird error.
13:23 kf                   oh yum!
13:23 druthb               kf QAMsnack oatmeal bar
13:23 magnuse              hm, does that mean druthb is in fact a bot?
13:23 druthb               nom nom nom
13:23 kf                   druthb tmscnack cookie
13:22 jcamins              Could you paste the line you added to sources.list to paste.koha-community.org?
13:22 jcamins              H: did you run `apt-get update`?
13:22 H                    ah i updated before oeps
13:22 drojf                s/du/do
13:22 drojf                did you du apt-get update after adding the line to /etc/apt/sources.list ?
13:21 H                    did do the key
13:21 H                    i follow the wikki yes
13:21 drojf                you use the debian packages with ubuntu
13:20 H                    i use the ubuntu version
13:20 jcamins              ^^ that page tells you what to put in /etc/apt/sources.list.
13:20 wahanui              packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
13:20 jcamins              packages?
13:20 jcamins              H: sounds like you don't have your apt repositories configured.
13:19 H                    annyone knows this problem ...Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package koha-common
13:18 Brooke               pfft the West Coast is communist. In especial in eNZed.
13:18 drojf                ah. right. weird people not living in my timezone, forgot about that
13:17 jcamins              drojf: it's 8:16am EST, and I think he's somewhere on the west coast.
13:17 drojf                i was promised a "back in office" email party but all i got was this louse "out of office" email again
13:16 druthb               ssssh...kf, you gotta quit talking about jcamins; he's here now.
13:14 kf                   it gave us a lot more context instead of single words
13:14 kf                   I like having them better than not having them
13:13 magnuse              yeah those %s's are pesky
13:13 drojf                lol
13:13 * Brooke             still has nightmares about encroaching %s
13:13 drojf                kf: maybe. i would have expected the previous translation managers to have known and talked about. but maybe that was never asked about
13:12 kf                   and we are just not doing it
13:12 Brooke               I <3 context
13:12 kf                   drojf: maybe it would be possible to do that with pootle too
13:12 Brooke               sechsy
13:12 drojf                Translation context part allows you to see related information about current string. Nearby messages, Similar messages, All locations, Dictionary, Recent edits, Project
13:12 druthb               I like the easy-to-spot links to the source file on Weblate.  That's pretty slick.
13:11 Brooke               all the cool kids are doin' it
13:10 drojf                come on kf, a few thousand strings :P
13:08 kf                   as long as it does not require any retranslating
13:08 kf                   i am all for improving things
13:07 Brooke               kia orrraaa
13:07 magnuse              s/ki/kia/
13:06 magnuse              ki ora Brooke
13:06 drojf                i have seen options for context of singular and plural forms. what i would like is context like depending on module and things :)
13:05 kf                   just let me knwo if I can help with something
13:05 druthb               I did, kf.
13:05 kf                   ah, you probably did
13:05 druthb               Since I'm not a translator, I'm unqualified to have an opinion on the "best tool."  But I wanna put this in *your* hands, and you tell me what you wanna use, and I'll see to it.
13:05 kf                   druthb: did you see the request for new greek files on the mailing list?
13:04 Brooke               howdy
13:04 drojf                hi Brooke
13:04 drojf                druthb: that would be cool
13:04 druthb               Hey, Brooke!
13:04 druthb               kf:  still working on that.
13:04 druthb               drojf, kf, magnuse:  Once I get our pootle woes cleared up, I could spin up a test of this for a few folks to try out.
13:04 Brooke               o/
13:04 kf                   druthb: has the pootle server moved to his new home yet or is that in the works?
13:03 * kf                 nods
13:03 druthb               I can find that out.  My other curiosity will be how well it handles RTL languages.  Pootle *does*, but it's kind of ugly-looking and can be confusing to translators.
13:02 kf                   i guess the big question for every tool is if it can handle our big files
13:01 druthb               drojf:  I just played with the demo a minute, and I kind of like it!  :)
12:57 drojf                anyone ever looked at http://weblate.org/en/ for translation?
12:55 kf                   hm right
12:55 druthb               Now, that would be silly, kf.
12:54 kf                   druthb: as long as you are not doing this on your hardwood floors inside the house ...
12:53 magnuse              sounds good to me
12:53 * druthb             makes a little pyramid of logs, with a loose pile of little bits in the middle, and a wadded-up ball of newspaper.  One match, no accelerant.  She'd have made a heckuva Girl Scout.
12:51 kf                   magnuse: youare really encouraging her to make a fire?
12:51 huginn               kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 1.4°C (1:50 PM CET on December 10, 2012). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: -0.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
12:51 kf                   @wunder Konstanz
12:51 * magnuse            sends druthb a stack of firewood
12:51 * druthb             shivers, and gives magnuse the ebil eye.
12:50 magnuse              oh noes!
12:50 druthb               Wait.  It's colder in Lawrence, Kansas than it is in the *ARCTIC*?  kf, you're off the hook.  I'm blaming magnuse for this one.
12:49 magnuse              hiya tcohen
12:49 marcelr              afternoon tcohen
12:46 tcohen               morning #koha
12:45 magnuse              somwhere in between, perhaps?
12:44 huginn               tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 28.0°C (9:00 AM ART on December 10, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Steady).
12:44 tcohen               @wunder Cordoba, Argentina
12:41 huginn               magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -4.0°C (1:20 PM CET on December 10, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: -9.0°C. Windchill: -10.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady).
12:41 magnuse              @wunder boo
12:36 * druthb             blames kf.
12:35 druthb               now, who thought *that* up?
12:35 huginn               druthb: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is -7.4°C (6:34 AM CST on December 10, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: -12.0°C. Windchill: -11.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Rising).
12:35 druthb               @wunder 66046
12:27 drojf                it worked now after restart and ctrl+f5
12:23 kf                   maybe close browser and try again?
12:23 kf                   hm
12:23 kf                   you are logged int oo right?
12:23 drojf                i could change to assigned. but i cannot change to needs sign off
12:22 kf                   javasript problem?
12:22 kf                   hm
12:22 drojf                that is where i expected it but it doesn't
12:22 wahanui              last one is the first one if you look backwards.
12:22 kf                   last one
12:22 vfernandes           near sponsored
12:22 kf                   right column on top
12:22 drojf                where?
12:21 kf                   when i switch to need ssignoff, the patch complexity shows up for me
12:21 kf                   and what are you trying to do?
12:20 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9248 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Add a German Zebra language definition file
12:20 drojf                bug 9248
12:19 drojf                yes
12:18 kf                   new bug?
12:18 drojf                no it doesn't because i cannot switch because i canno set complexity
12:18 kf                   or circ
12:18 kf                   vfernandes: maybe notices if there is one
12:18 kf                   hm it shoudl show up when you switch to needs sign-off
12:17 drojf                (in bugzilla)
12:17 drojf                so what do i do if there is no complexity field that i have to set?
12:17 vfernandes           which should be the correct component of the bug? Circulation or patron?
12:16 vfernandes           I think so... I will create a bug for the implementation of renewal and checkin quick slips
12:14 vfernandes           "Checkout quick slip" is a good option?
12:13 kf                   yeah
12:12 vfernandes           Print checkout quick slip... maybe is too long :/
12:12 vfernandes           "Print summary, Print slip, Checkout quick slip, Checkin quick slip, Renewal quick slip"
12:09 kf                   vfernandes: I wondered if it would be confusing for people not seeing the button :)
12:09 kf                   drojf: bug wrangling :)
12:09 vfernandes           "Print" can be maintain there is not a real problem... but I think the omission can be done because the button is already as "Print"
12:07 drojf                kf: huh?
12:07 kf                   maybe ask some more people?
12:06 kf                   I think removing print should be ok, if the button stays labelled... but not sure about accessibility  hm
12:06 vfernandes           do you think that I should add this options? and about changing the "strings" removing "print" from the links?
12:05 kf                   drojf++
12:04 kf                   I always like the idea of more optiosn, but it can get overwhelmling eaisly
12:03 vfernandes           the idea was to set 5 options: summary, slip, checkout quick slip, return quick slip and renewal quick slip (I think we can take "Print .." from the link)
12:01 vfernandes           I was saying that in the print option there is 3 option: print summary, print slip, print quick slip
12:01 kf                   np
12:01 vfernandes           sorry kf... the system power went down
11:53 vfernandes           now there is 3 options in print button: Print summary, Print slip, Print quick slip
11:51 kf                   not sure how to do that in a user friendly way
11:49 vfernandes           issues, renewal, returns (with or without fines on the configuration) and fines
11:48 kf                   issues, returns and fines - from patron account
11:47 kf                   we could also have a "today's actions" slip
11:47 kf                   I think I woudl not mind having 2 separate slips
11:47 vfernandes           yes not necessarily
11:47 kf                   lots of people don't pay the fines when giving back and you always have to change into the patron account
11:47 kf                   not necessarily
11:47 kf                   hm
11:46 vfernandes           is a 2 in one slip: return and payment slip
11:46 vfernandes           because normally the return slips envolves the payment of the fine if the book is overdue
11:45 kf                   and there are slips (hardcoded but stil) I think for payments
11:45 kf                   why the fines?
11:44 vfernandes           I never managed to do that in the right way
11:44 vfernandes           the problem with returns is the fines
11:44 vfernandes           In one of my installations I've done a modification in order to haver quickslips for renewal and returns
11:42 kf                   for renewal I could always print a complete account slip, but it might still be useful there too
11:42 kf                   because there is no way currently to do that and it's something common here
11:42 kf                   I think I woudl like checkin slips
11:42 vfernandes           what you think about having renewal and checkin quick slips?
11:41 kf                   i am not sure, maybe test it, but I think yes
11:41 vfernandes           quickslips only show the patron today checkouts?
11:40 kf                   yes
11:40 vfernandes           slips on 3.8.X and 3.10.X are configurable right?
10:55 kf                   you will work it out :)
10:55 kf                   :)
10:55 gerundio             if I didn't think he'd be fine just with the LDAP username :)
10:55 gerundio             that would be a better solution no doubt about it
10:54 gerundio             don't know if the patch works, I have a task to test it in my TODO list :)
10:53 gerundio             but there's a bug already reported about LDAP mapping
10:53 gerundio             I'm already using extended patron attributes
10:52 gerundio             my colleague was here and I was telling him what you told me
10:52 gerundio             kf, sorry for the hold up
10:40 kf                   and you can match on  unique patron attributes during patron import
10:40 kf                   and visible or not in opac
10:40 kf                   you can define a patron attribute to be unique
10:40 kf                   I think there is a patch around to make them work with ldap, so that might be a problem right now, but is the better way to do it I think
10:40 kf                   gerundio: have you looked into extended patron attributes?
10:39 gerundio             he should use the LDAP username
10:39 kf                   do you need it for patron import?
10:39 kf                   that's nto a good way to do it
10:39 gerundio             I always said it was a bad idea
10:39 kf                   hm
10:39 gerundio             so we could do his integration
10:39 gerundio             my colleague wanted to insert an id from another platform into the streetnumber field on koha
10:39 kf                   and changing frameworks is changing templats... it's monday :)
10:38 gerundio             kf, thanks for saying what I wanted to ear :D
10:38 kf                   if you really wanted to hide something effectively changing the frameworks might be the only way to do it - but it's not recommendable because of the update pain
10:37 kf                   they will see empty fields if js is deactivated
10:37 kf                   Ithink if it#s just the user shouldn't see what you don't store about them anyway, js hsould be fine
10:37 kf                   it will explode each and every time you update
10:37 kf                   no
10:34 gerundio             is that a good way to go?
10:34 gerundio             a colleague of mine did it on a devel setup by changing the template files
10:34 gerundio             btw, you said the only way to accomplish that is by using JS
10:33 kf                   you coudl file a feature request
10:32 kf                   and it was done for that, but should probably be extended
10:32 kf                   I think it's started more as a way to shorten the entry form
10:32 gerundio             and what we have now in the exact opposite, right?
10:32 kf                   but the view on this might differ
10:32 kf                   but it might be wrong, because patrons should be able to see what you store about them
10:32 gerundio             exactly
10:32 kf                   ah yes, show more in intranet than opac
10:31 gerundio             you said "because you might want some informatoin to show up internally only"
10:30 kf                   sorry, gerundio, not sure I understand
10:30 gerundio             internaly only make much more sense to me
10:30 gerundio             what we have now is the exact opposite
10:30 gerundio             I read internally only as in intranet only, correct?
10:23 kf                   because you might want some informatoin to show up internally only (even if that is probably not a good idea)
10:23 kf                   I think we might want to have 2 different prefs long term
10:22 gerundio             btw, any reason for that to limit the fields shown in the intranet but not on OPAC?
10:22 magnuse              kf++
10:19 gerundio             ok kf, thanks a lot for the quick reply :)
10:19 kf                   extend
10:19 kf                   gerundio: the syspref doesn't extent to the opac yet
10:19 kf                   gerundio: only using jquery
10:19 gerundio             how can I hide them there too?
10:19 gerundio             but keep showing up in the OPAC personal details screen
10:18 gerundio             and the collumns values I've inserted there don't show up in the intranet patron entry screen
10:18 gerundio             I've filled the value for the "BorrowerUnwantedField" field in the System preferences
10:17 gerundio             hi, good morning
10:10 drojf                we should introduce the position of 'noob wranglers' for these questions :D
10:05 drojf                :)
10:04 rangi                lets see if that works
10:03 rangi                good idea lemme try
10:02 drojf                hi vfernandes
10:02 drojf                there must be so many librarians on that list. maybe they are less shy if we don't answer these questions. or answer with "any librarian here to explain" or something
10:01 drojf                ;)
10:01 drojf                if you have a long thread with koha dinosaurs like yourself answering they might be, yes
10:01 vfernandes           hi :)
10:00 rangi                maybe scared of being wrong too?
10:00 rangi                could be
09:59 drojf                that's right. maybe we are too fast
09:59 rangi                some do of course, but they vastly outnumber us on the mailing list .. but not in answering mails :)
09:58 rangi                it would be nice to see librarians answering the library policy/usage type questions
09:58 kf                   can I go for tech support please?
09:57 rangi                drojf: that is a good idea
09:57 kf                   yeah
09:57 huginn               drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 1.8°C (10:43 AM CET on December 10, 2012). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Steady).
09:57 drojf                @wunder berlin, germany
09:56 drojf                with tech people doing free tech support for koha, maybe librarians could have a community initiative to teach basic ILS things ;) some people seem confused that we do not walk them through the complete system but i am not starting to do that in my spare time
09:55 drojf                hi kf
09:53 kf                   hi drojf
09:51 drojf                hi #koha
09:51 drojf                i was wondering if language barrier or troll, but i vote troll now :P
09:45 * kf                 sends rangi cookies
09:45 kf                   oh no
09:39 * rangi              gives up
09:39 rangi                *sigh*
08:31 magnuse              hiya kf
08:22 * kf                 waves
08:21 magnuse              rangi: sounds like it
08:02 rangi                i think he/she thinks a hold is a check out
08:01 * rangi              tries again
08:00 magnuse              yup
07:58 rangi                sander doesn't understand holds
07:57 rangi                as i suspected
07:57 gaetan_B             hello
07:56 reiveune             hello
07:51 asaurat              hi
07:48 alex_a               hello marcelr
07:48 marcelr              hello julian_m alex_a
07:47 julian_m             hello magnuse, hello all
07:46 magnuse              bonjour france
07:45 alex_a               bonjour
07:44 marcelr              hi magnuse
07:44 magnuse              kia ora marcelr
07:44 marcelr              hi #koha
07:44 magnuse              yup this works fine: koha-create + manually doing the web-installer + staging/importing a batch of files + rebuild zebra
07:36 * rangi              tries to clear up sanders confusion, hopefully not creating more
07:35 magnuse              that's related to the borrower_files table, shouldn't think that would affect searching...
07:34 pastebot             "magnuse" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "lines around 5443" (21 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/305
07:32 magnuse              DBD::mysql::db do failed: Can't create table 'koha_esme.#sql-792_2260' (errno: 121) at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl line 5443.
07:32 magnuse              there is something weird there:
07:32 magnuse              the output from upgrade schema: http://paste.koha-community.org/304
07:29 eythian_             the only thing I can think of off the top of my head is the upgrade process not working correctly, but if that were the case it'd affect everyone.
07:28 magnuse              earlier, i tried to do koha-create and then add some records, and that seemed to work fine
07:28 eythian_             that's fine, that's what I usually do.
07:27 magnuse              i did koha-create before i loaded the sql dump
07:27 wahanui              eythian_: i'm not following you...
07:27 eythian_             wahanui agrees.
07:26 wahanui              I haven't seen 'it', cait
07:26 cait                 seen it ... autoscroll broken once again
07:26 cait                 me neither :(
07:25 cait                 hm
07:24 eythian_             that's suspicious
07:24 eythian_             hmm yes
07:24 magnuse              it's also weird that the title of the search results page says "you did not specify any search criteria"
07:23 eythian_             I haven't done a whole lot with the 3.10 packages though
07:23 magnuse              gah :-)
07:23 eythian_             I can't say I have seen that.
07:23 magnuse              the rebuild zebra runs without any trouble
07:22 magnuse              ever seen something like that?
07:22 magnuse              e.g.: http://esme.testing.bibkat.no/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=lessig
07:22 magnuse              but when i try to search i get this: Can't call method "raw" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Search.pm line 461.
07:21 magnuse              upload the sql backup from the live server and load it, upgrade schema and rebuild zebra -f
07:21 magnuse              set up a new server to test 3.10 with real data
07:21 magnuse              i have a problem with the packages
07:21 magnuse              yay
07:20 eythian_             yep
07:19 magnuse              eythian or eythian_ around?
07:17 cait                 have fun in Athens
07:17 cait                 paul_p: good
07:16 paul_p               cait this afternoon, I plan to do some QA.
07:16 paul_p               hi magnus & cait & BobB_ & others. leaving IRC to take Athens subway now. See you later
07:14 magnuse              cait: it is!
07:13 cait                 it's a lot better, isn't it?
07:13 magnuse              woohoo for the changes that were made to the wiki!
07:13 magnuse              kia ora cait and eythian and paul_p
07:12 tweetbot`            [off] twitter: @paul_poulain: "in Athens, greece this week, to work with our partner on our #kohails offer and have meetings with greek libraries."
07:08 * cait               waves back
07:08 * magnuse            waves
06:15 BobB_                bonjour paul_p
05:10 libsysguy            so I have to say, using DBIx::Class is making life for db ops easy peasy
03:55 eythian              you should chop off your pony tail in that case
03:51 wizzyrea             oh that happens to me ALL THE TIME
03:50 wahanui              wizzyrea: My pony-tail hit the on/off switch on the power strip.
03:50 wizzyrea             excuse
03:39 wahanui              libsysguy: Groundskeepers stole the root password
03:39 libsysguy            excuse
03:39 wahanui              libsysguy: i'm not following you...
03:39 libsysguy            wahanui will make up excuses for you!!
02:52 wahanui              eythian: static buildup
02:52 eythian              excuse
01:41 libsysguy            ^^ 0_0
01:41 eythian              * jcamins is now known as jcamins_bowtie
01:41 libsysguy            hey the next IRC meeting is on my birthday
01:08 * jcamins            refuses to take off his bowtie.
01:07 jcamins              Success!
01:04 jcamins              Once.
01:04 jcamins              Well, it may have asphixiated, but at least I managed to tie the bowtie.
01:01 eythian              I guess you've got to use them for something
01:01 jcamins              :)
01:00 wizzyrea             lol. lol. adorable.
00:59 * jcamins            proceeds to garotte a spindle full of CD-Rs.
00:59 rangi                http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PN-MjUC4f9k
00:51 jcamins              Grr.
00:49 druthb               myshkin_in_a_tie++
00:46 jcamins              lol
00:46 drojf                jcamins: you could tie it around myshkin for a test
00:42 jcamins              drojf: indeed I am not.
00:42 wahanui              OK, eythian.
00:42 eythian              wahanui: birds are gross: http://www.birdandmoon.com/birdsaregross.html
00:42 wahanui              eythian: huh?
00:42 eythian              wahanui: birds
00:41 eythian              seems like a common issue
00:41 drojf                you are not alone :D
00:41 drojf                How To Tie a Bow Tie  • 1.727.313 views
00:40 jcamins              Right... maybe I'll tie the bowtie around something else to start with.
00:40 eythian              later cait
00:40 drojf                good night cait
00:40 eythian              I spent 3 years at high school tying a regular tie every day. Last time I had to do it, a couple of years ago, I had to look it up.
00:40 jcamins              Good night.
00:40 jcamins              lol
00:39 cait                 night all
00:39 cait                 ok, things are getting weird here... I am leaving :)
00:39 drojf                maybe even a google group :P
00:39 cait                 jcamins: how did you get from reading to bowties?
00:39 drojf                i bet there are video tutorials on youtube
00:38 eythian              you put the elastic band around your neck, and it just stays there.
00:38 * jcamins            consults Google.
00:38 jcamins              Clearly not the way the package says.
00:38 jcamins              Okay... how do I tie a bowtie?
00:33 cait                 lol
00:33 drojf                :D
00:33 eythian              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
00:33 eythian              ^^
00:33 drojf                lotẞ of carrotẞ
00:33 cait                 who doesn't like carrots?:)
00:32 cait                 of course you do :)
00:32 drojf                i like carrot
00:32 eythian              yeah, that's the properist name.
00:31 jcamins              That's what I've always heard.
00:31 jcamins              Caret.
00:31 cait                 according to my perl books
00:31 cait                 caret
00:31 drojf                lol
00:31 eythian              you will also see "carrot" sometimes.
00:30 * jcamins            has never heard it before.
00:30 * drojf              giggles
00:30 eythian              it's not uncommon
00:30 drojf                is that a common expression?
00:30 drojf                hat character?
00:30 drojf                "The hat ^ character 	denotes beginning-of-field"
00:29 drojf                lol
00:29 jcamins              lol
00:29 eythian              jcamins: it's what Germans use when yelling to each other. By which I mean, talking normally, like cait's outside neighbour at BSZ.
00:29 drojf                there isn't really. i think it came up quite recently. it doesn't exist apart from all-caps. you cannot have a word start with ẞ
00:27 jcamins              I had no idea there was an uppercase ß!
00:19 jcamins              Excellent!
00:19 jcamins              Oh, guess I had it backwards.
00:17 drojf                seems to be for sorting
00:17 drojf                equivalent value-set 	This directive introduces equivalence classes of characters 	and/or strings for sorting purposes only. It resembles the map 	directive, but does not affect search and retrieval indexing, 	but only sorting order under present requests.
00:16 drojf                will add it anyway
00:16 drojf                ok i killed that because ß does not really exist in uppercase
00:16 drojf                This directive introduces the 	upper-case equivalences to the value set (if any). The number and 	order of the entries in the list should be the same as in the 	lowercase directive.
00:15 jcamins              The problem is that I don't think that applies to sorting, just searching.
00:13 jcamins              No, I think the line is right.
00:13 drojf                maybe it should be (ss)ß
00:13 drojf                there is a line 'equivalent ß(ss)' now but i have to admit that i am not sure what zebra does with it
00:12 wahanui              searching is not working
00:12 jcamins              And searching.
00:11 drojf                the correct way would be to magically dissolve it to 'ss' for sorting
00:11 jcamins              The German language needs more words with the spelling "-sß-"
00:10 drojf                yes
00:10 drojf                ys
00:10 jcamins              Otherwise, "straste" would come before "straße."
00:09 drojf                ah now i understand what you mean
00:09 jcamins              drojf: only if the words were spelled "strasße" and "straste."
00:08 drojf                wouldn't it come before st when it comes after s?
00:07 drojf                :D
00:07 jcamins              [off] I was on my phone so I thought it might be something of importance from paul_p. I was wrong.
00:07 drojf                [off] lol. did not read it, should have it seems
00:06 jcamins              [off] I love Troll Paul's "I suspect everything changed between 3.6 and 3.8."
00:05 jcamins_away         It's kind of a problem since ß should come before st in my alphabetical world.
00:05 drojf                after s
00:04 jcamins_away         How did you alphabetize ß?