IRC log for #koha, 2012-11-21

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01:08 wizzyrea augh, tell me, someone, where I added a gst rate if I didn't add it in the sysprefs
01:09 wizzyrea in the budget? in the fund?
01:09 wizzyrea on the basket?
01:09 wizzyrea I can't find it!
01:09 rangi the vendor
01:10 wizzyrea AHA
01:10 wizzyrea thank you that was the one place I didn't look >.K<
01:11 wizzyrea I think that must be something stabbing me in the eye
01:23 eythian jcamins: what on earth is the framework field "01e"
01:23 eythian I'm mentally throwing a NaN due to it.
01:23 jcamins eythian: RLIN.
01:24 eythian yeah, but what is it doing there without a number?
01:24 eythian or rather, with a letter
01:24 wizzyrea and swtf is it
01:24 wizzyrea what would a librarian put in it
01:24 wizzyrea (and which librarians would do it)
01:24 jcamins RLIN used weird tags.
01:25 jcamins I have _no_ idea.
01:25 wizzyrea oh this[…]h_Libraries_Group
01:25 jcamins Right.
01:26 eythian RLIN is used for auth linking, right?
01:27 jcamins No.
01:27 jcamins RLIN is a defunct union catalog.
01:27 wizzyrea soooo we don't know what it's used for
01:27 jcamins Right.
01:27 eythian oh, so we're overloading $9 for auth linking?
01:27 jcamins I have no idea why kados decided to call local subfields "RLIN"
01:27 wizzyrea and we don't know what people would put in it
01:27 jcamins No, $9 has nothing to do with RLIN.
01:27 eythian ('650', '9', '9 (RLIN)', '9 (RLIN)', 0, 0, '', 6, '', '', '', 0, -5, '', '', '', NULL),
01:27 wizzyrea rlin actually merged with OCLC
01:28 eythian the framework begs to differ :)
01:28 jcamins Yeah, I have no idea why kados decided to do that.
01:28 wizzyrea in 06
01:28 jcamins $9 is by definition a local subfield.
01:28 eythian oh right. so $9 is linking, and someone called it RLIN for unknown/crazy reasons?
01:28 jenkins_koha Starting build #2 for job Koha_Docs_3.8.x (previous build: FAILURE)
01:28 eythian who is kados?
01:28 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
01:28 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.8.x build #2: FIXED in 19 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]oha_Docs_3.8.x/2/
01:28 jenkins_koha nengard: update encoding
01:29 jcamins Josh Ferraro. The one who came up with most of our dumb concepts.
01:29 wizzyrea ohsnap.
01:29 eythian ah right
01:29 wizzyrea /me gets out the burn cream.
01:29 jcamins In Koha we use $9 for linking. It's not used for that in other systems.
01:30 eythian ah OK. But this 01e thing is actually RLIN?
01:30 jcamins I'm pretty sure, yeah.
01:31 jcamins But I haven't a clue what it's for.
01:31 jcamins What is in it?
01:31 eythian dunno, nothing I suspect.
01:31 eythian Just had a librarian asking if it was an error
01:31 eythian because it's not a number, for one thing.
01:32 wizzyrea and "it just looks weird"
01:32 jcamins Yeah, it pretty much just looks weird.
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02:00 wajasu i got an email from my librarian (on 3.0), and he found a pattern for why he got duplicate authorities. not our current code base, but something to consider
02:01 wajasu when he had an authority generated where there was only as $a and no other  ($d or such) then the authorities linked to one. but when he had some with dates ($d) too, he got dups.
02:02 wajasu it might have been fixed that sort of thing since 3.0, but maybe not.
02:02 jcamins wajasu: yes, authorities were entirely broken prior to 3.6.
02:03 wajasu i'm goint to try to figure out how to deal with bug 9110
02:03 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9110 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , GetAuthorizedHeading Can't call method "field" on an undefined
02:04 jcamins It's easy. If no record is retrieved by GetAuthority, don't continue.
02:04 wajasu its only when LinkerRelink =Do is set
02:04 jcamins Yes, of course.
02:04 jcamins When LinkerRelink is not set to "Do," that section of code never runs.
02:51 mtj anyone spotted this weird plack error running the opac, on master
02:51 mtj "Could not compile /home/mason/g/head/opac/ "GetDailyQuote" is not exported by the C4::Koha module
02:51 mtj Can't continue after import errors at /home/mason/git.xen1/head/opac/ line 26."
02:51 wizzyrea sounds like related to quote of the day
02:51 mtj the confusing thing is… GetDailyQuote() looks to be exported just fine :/
02:51 wizzyrea ok well that is weird then.
02:53 mtj i cant work out whats wrong, and how to fix this one - other than commenting out the 'get quote' line in
02:53 mtj C4:Koha says ' @EXPORT_OK = qw( &GetDailyQuote ); '
02:54 mtj says 'use C4::Koha qw( GetDailyQuote );'
02:54 mtj looks teh good?!
02:54 eythian is it actually exported from C4::Koha?
02:57 mtj um, it wasnt originally - but, i did fix that - and still the error
02:58 eythian is the Perl module cached still?
02:58 mtj so, now  ' @EXPORT = qw( … &GetDailyQuote ); ' too
02:58 eythian you can remove the &, it hasn't been needed for about ever.
02:59 mtj hmm, not quite sure on that
02:59 eythian restart your plack server?
02:59 mtj ok
02:59 rangi you need to restart your plack server anytime you change anything
03:00 rangi unless you have the module that watches for changes (do not ever run that config in production)
03:00 rangi but it can be useful for dev
03:01 mtj ive been running 'plackup --reload  '
03:02 rangi yeah i wouldnt trust that
03:02 mtj which seems to be detecting code changes, so-far
03:02 rangi not for a module change
03:02 rangi id stop and start to be sure
03:02 mtj oops, that fixed it :/
03:03 mtj ok, i learnt a lesson there :)
03:03 rangi yeah, reload should only reload config
03:03 rangi basically all the imports are done at start up
03:03 rangi thats what makes it fast
03:03 mtj i was running the 'plackup -E shotgun ?' command for a while...
03:04 jcamins_away mtj: yeah, --reload isn't going to help with... well, anything... for Koha.
03:04 jcamins_away Koha is just too big.
03:04 mtj perhaps that was the arg  detecting code changes?
03:05 jcamins_away No, shotgun just means that you have all the overhead for loading/importing every time a page is accessed.
03:06 jcamins_away Well... sort of.
03:06 jcamins_away[…]Loader/
03:07 mtj hmm, pass...
03:07 jcamins_away --reload is supposed to watch the file system and detect code changes.
03:08 jcamins_away However, it is intended to monitor Plack applications not entire libraries consisting of dozens of files..
03:08 mtj im really looking for some reliable way to do dev stuff without having to restart plackup, after every edit
03:08 jcamins_away There isn't.
03:09 rangi thats the whole point
03:09 eythian I mind the restart command to a button in vim
03:09 eythian *bind
03:09 jcamins_away mtj:[…]068feef56c4c65f6d
03:09 jcamins_away I hate gitweb URLs.
03:09 jcamins_away Couldn't they use the short references?
03:09 jcamins_away Take a look at stopplack, startplack, and restartplack.
03:10 mtj ok , thanks for all the info
03:11 mtj now that i know --reload and -L shotgun dont work, i'll sort a shortcut to restart plack
03:11 jcamins_away Also, git-start and git-qa are worth looking at.
03:12 jcamins_away And you're going to want to consult the example.* files.
03:12 eythian jcamins_away: there's no guarantee that a short ref will remain unique
03:12 jcamins_away eythian: but git uses them for all its display internally?
03:12 jcamins_away I mean, with git blame, etc.
03:13 eythian display yeah, because it can change them if they become not unique
03:13 eythian URLs are more permenant
03:13 jcamins_away True.
03:13 jcamins_away In that case, I wish it only included one hash. :P
03:13 eythian heh
03:17 mtj jcamins_away ^^ agreed :)
03:21 mtj ah, and when i said previously '--reload and -L shotgun dont work' , i really meant 'dont work, as i expected them too' :)
03:21 * jcamins_away understood.
03:24 wajasu when an auth record is generated, I see " d Dates associated wit 1509-1564. "    Where can I find the string containing "wit"?
03:24 wajasu i think it should be "with"
03:24 jcamins_away In the authorities framework section, and I'm pretty sure it is.
03:25 jcamins_away It's limited to 20 characters.
03:26 wajasu in the biblio its " d Dates associated with a name 1509-1564. "   so the auth create must be just copying it in.
03:27 jcamins_away No, the authority only includes "1509-1564"
03:30 wajasu I see the default framework had "Dates associated with a name"  and the MARC Auth record clips it.
03:31 jcamins_away Yes, that's in the display.
03:31 wajasu would that be a bug?  for a MARC view of the Auth record?
03:32 jcamins_away Probably.
03:37 pastebot "wajasu" at pasted "authority links as many authority records" (46 lines) at
03:37 wajasu That aside, now i am linking again with  if I have these results ^^^^^
03:37 * jcamins_away has no idea what would cause that.
03:37 jcamins_away I don't use that script for generating authorities.
03:38 wajasu do you have a better one?
03:38 jcamins_away No.
03:38 wajasu ok. its up to me then to figure it out.
03:38 jcamins_away Yup.
03:52 wajasu i'm starting to understand the value add of authorities.  the LC auth has over 10 different variations of Calvin, Jean  (Calvin, John ...) and my autogenerated ones are anemic
03:54 jcamins_away Yes.
03:54 jcamins_away That's why I don't generate authorities.
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06:21 rangi evening
06:21 cait hi rangi
06:22 cait and good morning #koha
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07:26 alex_a bonjour
07:26 wahanui hello, alex_a
07:27 * magnuse waves
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07:29 magnuse rangi: mind if i quote that blogpost in extenso on with attribution, of course
07:29 rangi nope, that's fine
07:30 magnuse cool, thanks
07:30 cait hello all :)
07:30 magnuse kia ora cait and rangi and #koha
07:30 cait hm, had to fail qa on bug 8800
07:30 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8800 blocker, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Failed QA , SpecifyDueDate && useDaysMode=Datedue wrong behaviour
07:30 cait I really hope we can that fixed, the patch is almost there
07:31 rangi hi magnuse and alex_a
07:31 magnuse cait++ for being mean ( = thorough ) :.)
07:31 cait yeah, but we need to get tat fixed
07:31 cait can't release a koha that can't calculate due dates
07:33 rangi did you move it up to blocker?
07:33 rangi ah yep i see it
07:34 cait it already is, that's why I started with that patch
07:34 cait :)
07:35 rangi cool
07:36 cait magnuse: could you try bug 9122?
07:36 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9122 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Writing off fees broken
07:36 cait or rangi?
07:36 rangi hopefully someone will get the chance to look at it tomorrow
07:36 cait just add a fine to a patron account and try to write it off instead of paying
07:36 cait rangi: or today, europe is just waking up :)
07:36 cait cait?
07:36 wahanui you are qam, not your secretary
07:37 cait magnuse?
07:37 wahanui magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza.
07:37 cait :)
07:37 magnuse :-)
07:37 rangi ill try it now
07:39 * magnuse imagines what would happen if every one of those spam accounts decided to add one page of spam at the same time
07:39 magnuse the wiki, that is
07:43 rangi i confirm you cant write off in master
07:43 cait EEK. I was hoping it was me.
07:44 rangi you can in 3.8.x
07:44 rangi exact same data
07:44 rangi trying 3.10.x now
07:44 cait magnuse: the plan is to make registrations moderated - I added it to the next meeting
07:44 cait magnuse: gmcharlt suggested it and it seems evergreen does it that way - I think it would be better than so many people spending precious time on cleaning up
07:45 rangi broken in 3.10.x too
07:46 rangi im gonna bisect on master to find the commit
07:46 magnuse cait: excellent idea
07:47 cait ok, work time, brb :)
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07:47 lds hello
07:52 rangi hi lds
07:58 lds hi rangi
07:58 magnuse bonjour lds
08:00 lds bonjour magnuse
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08:01 Joubu hello
08:03 rangi tracked down what is breaking writeoffs (and probably other things)
08:03 rangi bug 9122
08:03 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9122 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Writing off fees broken
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08:06 gaetan_B hello
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08:26 kf good morning #koha
08:31 rangi hmm i dont think i have the energy to answer that email
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08:43 kf there
08:43 kf morning paul_p
08:44 rangi kf++
08:44 rangi hi paul_p
08:45 paul_p hi kf & rangi & others
08:47 magnuse @arewethereyet
08:47 huginn magnuse: Not yet - wait 1 day
08:47 magnuse hm, does that run on nz time or something?
08:47 kf paul_p: we got 2 blockers for 3.10 :(
08:51 paul_p kf = which ones ?
08:52 kf due date calculaton and writing off fines
08:57 paul_p kf = in the FIXME NOW query, I see 8 blockers
08:59 kf ouch!
08:59 kf so why is noone panickingß
09:01 kf well, I am.
09:04 paul_p kf = that won't be the 1st time a release is made with some blockers. I'm working on translation to french of the release notes this morning, and will work on those blo after the lunch
09:04 paul_p kf = there are some blockers that are blockers only if you use some features. For 95% of our libraries, bug 9122 won't be a problem (fines in days in most french libraries)
09:04 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9122 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Writing off fees broken
09:05 paul_p -which does not mean it does not need to be fixed. don't misunderstand me !-
09:05 rangi bug 9065
09:05 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9065 blocker, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Upload local cover image permission implementation error
09:05 rangi isnt a blocker
09:05 * rangi downgrades
09:07 rangi bug 9064 is, bug 9122 is, 9052 is but for packages so that doesnt block tarball release, bug 8970 isnt
09:07 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9064 blocker, P5 - low, ---, kyle, NEW , statistics.ccode specified inconsistently
09:07 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8970 blocker, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , MARC import gives error under Starman/Plack
09:09 magnuse looks like bug 8381 was pushed to master, then set to "in discussion" because of a problem with chrome that has since been fixed?
09:09 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8381 blocker, P1 - high, ---, alex.arnaud, In Discussion , Paging broken in OPAC search results
09:09 rangi bug 8800 is, bug 8770 is, bug 8381 needs to be rechecked
09:09 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8800 blocker, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Failed QA , SpecifyDueDate && useDaysMode=Datedue wrong behaviour
09:09 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8770 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , amount does not equal amountoutstanding on a fine with no payments or credits
09:10 rangi so down to 5 + maybe 1 more
09:10 rangi yeah, i think 8381 is no longer an issue
09:10 rangi i think 5 true blockers
09:11 rangi specially the ones to do with money, you mess up fines, patrons get very very angry
09:12 rangi[…]C-Tool-Kiwicon-VI  <-- this would be handy for tracking lots of things, not just opsec stuffs
09:18 magnuse st00pid question of the day: is Chrome and Chromium the same thing?
09:18 kf paul_p: for 100% of our libraries bug 8800 would be a big problem
09:18 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8800 blocker, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Failed QA , SpecifyDueDate && useDaysMode=Datedue wrong behaviour
09:18 paul_p kf = that will probably be the same for frenchies
09:19 kf and the same for fines paul
09:19 kf we can't release if we can't write off fines
09:19 kf that's basic functionality
09:19 paul_p magnuse = chromium is the OpenSource version of chrome. based on the same source code, with some things removed (mainly privacy things afaik)
09:20 kf very very basic
09:20 kf functionality
09:20 wahanui i guess functionality is the most important thing
09:21 magnuse ah, someone with access to Chrome should probably test and close bug 8381 then
09:21 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8381 blocker, P1 - high, ---, alex.arnaud, In Discussion , Paging broken in OPAC search results
09:21 rangi reverting a8b168dc63df9d60e8e562f368f8bdbec520ffd8
09:21 rangi would allow writeoffs to work again
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09:22 rangi if it isnt fixed in time, thats the other option
09:24 kf the problem is the database update maybe, if someone already updated .... people are doing crazy things sometime
09:25 paul_p pfew... i'll need 2 or 3 days to translate the 43 pages...
09:26 kf paul_p: I think maybe it's ok if they are a little late? or you could delegate?
09:26 paul_p kf I think they'll be late ;-) (we're already working on translating koha itself)
09:26 paul_p s/already/also/
09:26 paul_p so no more spare staff at BibLibre
09:27 paul_p why the hell don't everybody speak the same language ? (french, of course ;-) )
09:27 paul_p babel's tower--
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09:32 drojf good morning #koha
09:37 magnuse paul_p: it would sure make things a lot easier...
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11:14 gaetan_B hmm can someone tell me what "c-format" means in po files ? kf ?
11:15 magnuse "The c-format flag indicates that the untranslated string and the translation are supposed to be C format strings.  When the c-format flag is given for a string the msgfmt program does some more tests to check the validity of the translation."
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11:15 vfernandes hi guys
11:15 magnuse gaetan_B: search for c-format here:[…]ode/PO-Files.html
11:15 magnuse hiya vfernandes
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11:15 gaetan_B aah, thanks magnuse
11:17 vfernandes i'm trying to upgrade from 3.2 to 3.8 and I have a little question... in the 3.2 i've done some modifications to the includes (nav, masthead, etc) to have some links, texts in many translations and added those translations to the .po
11:18 vfernandes my question is: it's possible to added directly on the system preference OPACnav HTML to different languages
11:18 jcamins_away vfernandes: no.
11:19 vfernandes that's bad because it turns the system more difficult to mantain.... and with Javascript?
11:19 jcamins_away Probably could be done, but I don't know how to.
11:21 vfernandes i'm thinking about having different div's for different languages and controll them with javascript...
11:21 jcamins That makes sense.
11:21 vfernandes using display: block and display: none
11:22 vfernandes damn this upgrade will be harder than I tought :)
11:24 drojf <- should we be concerned magnuse? :D
11:26 vfernandes another question: I have some changes to the code (.pl and .pm) and I want to make them indepent of the version
11:26 vfernandes which is the best way to do this?
11:26 jcamins A) don't do it.
11:27 jcamins B) do it in git.
11:27 jcamins I favor option A, but option B is probably the one to go with.
11:27 jcamins You can then build your own packages with the changed code.
11:27 magnuse drojf: i think it's working...
11:28 magnuse @wunder boo
11:28 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 10.0°C (12:20 PM CET on November 21, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Steady).
11:28 vfernandes option A is out of question... some modifications are client requisits that Koha don't support
11:28 magnuse vfernandes: are they so specific it would not be interesting to get them into koha?
11:29 jcamins Then you just rebase your patches every version.
11:29 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
11:29 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 6.0°C (12:12 PM CET on November 21, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
11:29 magnuse drojf: yup, it must be working
11:29 drojf almost twice as cold as northern norway!
11:29 drojf :)
11:29 vfernandes I've already thougth doing patches...
11:30 jcamins Yes, that is the only option. Track your changes in git.
11:30 vfernandes i'm not very famirialy with git
11:30 jcamins git?
11:30 wahanui git is probably[…]Control_Using_Git
11:30 jcamins Now is your chance to learn.
11:31 jcamins If you don't learn how to use git, you'll just end up stuck on Koha 3.8 when everyone else is on Koha 3.18. :(
11:31 drojf or koha X chocolate chip cooke
11:31 jcamins Right.
11:31 drojf cookie even
11:32 vfernandes that's want we want to avoid
11:32 kf the chocolate chip cookie? :)
11:32 kf yum
11:33 drojf vfernandes: B+) use git and submit your changes to koha. if it's not too special and/or crazy
11:33 vfernandes jcamins imagine that I done some modifications to and tomorrow is out Koha 3.8.7
11:33 vfernandes how git works?
11:33 jcamins vfernandes: right, so you rebase your changes onto 3.8.7.
11:33 jcamins If you don't use git, you have to do your changes all over again in production.
11:34 vfernandes I'll check the modifications that I've done to 3.2... and then passed to 3.8 using git
11:34 vfernandes if they are important I'll send it to the community
11:35 jcamins If they are generally applicable you should submit them.
11:36 jcamins By adding a syspref, you can greatly reduce the amount of work needed.
11:36 jcamins (when you upgrade)
11:37 vfernandes some are very specific... for example and for field 100 automatically field it with "50fre " or something like that
11:37 vfernandes but the client wants "50por "
11:38 jcamins In that case you should make a syspref to make it configurable.
11:38 magnuse vfernandes: you could make a syspref for the default value
11:38 drojf isn't that just a change to the framework settings?
11:38 jcamins drojf: not for UNIMARC.
11:38 magnuse gah, too slow
11:38 jcamins It's hardcoded.
11:38 drojf jcamins: oh. didn't know that
11:38 drojf also, why?
11:38 wahanui also, why are you awake?
11:38 drojf and that too wahanui, thanks :D
11:40 vfernandes koha 3.8.7 or koha 3.10 stable is will here soon?
11:41 jcamins drojf: no idea.
11:41 jcamins vfernandes: 3.10.0 will be released tomorrow, yes.
11:41 jcamins And 3.8.7 will be released this afternoon.
11:41 * jcamins wouldn't go to a .0 version.
11:42 drojf somebody has to :P
11:42 vfernandes ok thanks jcamins :)
11:42 jcamins drojf: yes, someone who is not me. :P
11:42 vfernandes now i'll learn how to work with git
11:46 magnuse @arewethereyet
11:46 huginn magnuse: Not yet - wait 1 day
11:46 vfernandes changes that I've done in koha 3.8.X will appear in koha 3.10?
11:47 jcamins You have to submit patches against master.
11:47 jcamins So the patches would go into 3.12, then could be backported to 3.10.
11:49 vfernandes i'm confused right now :P i want to make the modifications available in future versions so I have to submit patches to the master branch right?
11:49 jcamins Yes.
11:49 jcamins Exactly right.
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11:50 vfernandes it's easy to create a new syspref? for example to receipt templates?
11:50 jcamins Very easy to create a new syspref.
11:50 jcamins sysprefs?
11:50 wahanui sysprefs are "System Preferences", found on my Koha admin homepage
11:50 jcamins syspref?
11:50 wahanui syspref is probably only there, so people can switch to zebra
11:50 jcamins new syspref?
11:50 jcamins new sysprefs?
11:51 jcamins adding a syspref?
11:51 jcamins Oh well.
11:51 vfernandes :D
11:51 jcamins Wahanui doesn't know.
11:51 wahanui jcamins: huh?
11:51 jcamins vfernandes:[…]ystem_Preferences
11:51 vfernandes but it's possible to create a syspref in the correct tab: Staff Client, OPAC, etc?
11:52 jcamins Yes, that page explains how to do it.
11:52 magnuse vfernandes:[…]system_preference
11:53 kf tcohen: around?
11:53 vfernandes thanks jcamins and magnuse
11:53 tcohen yes kf
11:53 tcohen kind of buys
11:53 kf tcohen: first of all: thx a lot for your work on the due date bug
11:54 vfernandes this update will be harder than I tought, but I think it will be usefull for me and the community
11:54 kf that was you, right?
11:54 tcohen bug 9074 i added some db dependent tests that expose that expceptions bug
11:54 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9074 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , DB dependent tests for is_holiday
11:54 tcohen and bug 9078 for fixing it
11:54 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9078 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, NEW , is_holiday should honour holiday exceptions
11:54 tcohen but...
11:54 vfernandes I have some good modifications to add to the community
11:54 kf uhoh
11:54 kf but?
11:54 wahanui rumour has it but is there another instance on this machine that successfully reindexed
11:54 jcamins vfernandes++
11:54 tcohen when I fixed is_holiday
11:55 tcohen all tests failed
11:55 tcohen (previously working)
11:55 tcohen so i needed more time to check the test cases
11:55 kf oh ouch.
11:55 kf I see
11:55 tcohen (i belive the problem is in the tests themselves)
11:55 kf do yout hink we can get this moving somehow? I can test tonight
11:55 kf probably, because of the new sample data?
11:56 tcohen exactly
11:56 tcohen i belive the tests didn't take exceptions into account
11:56 kf tcohen: I have to meet coworkers for lunch - if you could get me a summary on how to test (which bugs, patches to be applied in which order) on one of the bugs, that would be great
11:56 kf tcohen: yeah :(
11:57 tcohen (kf, i'll try to provide the fix, thanks for your offer)
11:57 kf I can try testing tonight, which will be good, because my test cases for this morning will still work :)
11:57 kf bbl
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12:00 tcohen kf, did u provide your pdf?
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12:53 kf tcohen: it's on the bug
12:53 kf tcohen: as attachement
12:53 kf on 8800
12:53 tcohen thanks kf, i asked for test cases before with null response
12:54 tcohen i'll try to make unit tests from that
12:54 tcohen how did you produce that awesome pdf?
12:56 paul_p bug 9064 is needing signoff !
12:56 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9064 blocker, P1 - high, ---, paul.poulain, Needs Signoff , statistics.ccode specified inconsistently
12:57 kf tcohen: libre office :)
12:58 jcamins_away libreoffice++
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13:07 tcohen can anyone help me understand why 9074 wont apply anymore?
13:07 kf tcohen: glad you think it's helpful, I needed to write it down
13:10 oleonard tcohen: CONFLICT (content): Merge conflict in installer/data/mysql/en/op​tional/sample_holidays.txt
13:10 oleonard Though I'm not sure why that file is a problem for git, seems like a simple change.
13:10 tcohen exactly
13:11 tcohen it's too simple to fail
13:12 oleonard Can someone please unsubscribe from the patches list? I don't want to be getting out of office replies for the next 20 days
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13:37 francharb hello
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13:43 jenkins_koha Starting build #234 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING)
13:44 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #234: STILL FAILING in 28 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_Docs/234/
13:44 jenkins_koha nengard: fix typo
13:51 tcohen kf, would you do that tests again over the patches from 8800 and 9078 (in that order)?
13:51 kf yes, but not before 6pm or so
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13:56 wajasu i will be around later tonight (12 hours from now) and can work on signoffs.  I don't know if that will be helpful for someone to QA before tomorrow.
14:00 kf tcohen: is there a way we could fix the failing tests?
14:00 magnuse wajasu: signing off is never wrong ;-)
14:00 * magnuse waves to druthb
14:00 druthb o/
14:00 magnuse \o
14:01 kf hi dr
14:01 kf hi druthb :)
14:01 druthb hi, kf! :)
14:02 tcohen kf, yes
14:02 tcohen but i'm in the middle of other problems
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14:09 kf tcohen: ok, I undertand...same here
14:12 oleonard khall: Are you working from a clear cache when testing Bug 9117? It works for me with Chrome/Ubuntu
14:12 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9117 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , Reports hierarchies management improvements
14:12 oleonard Sorry, wrong bug
14:12 oleonard Bug 9115
14:12 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9115 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , basket window should close automatically when placing a hold
14:12 khall perhaps not, I'll clear my cache and retest.
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14:15 oleonard Thanks
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14:20 khall oleonard: good call. clearing my cache causes it to work as advertised. should I Sign Off?
14:20 oleonard That would be great, if it works as advertised (and seems like a good idea)
14:21 khall indeed. oleonard++
14:27 kf khall: sorry, if I misunderstand something, but I was wondering about your command on bug 904
14:27 huginn Bug[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=904 enhancement, P2, ---, paul.poulain, CLOSED FIXED, Unimarc plugin
14:27 kf hm bug 9074
14:27 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9074 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Patch doesn't apply , DB dependent tests for is_holiday
14:27 kf --- git am -s /tmp/Bug-9074---DB-dependent-tests-for-isholiday-eiKuaq.patch   - why not -3?
14:28 khall kf, I think that's my bad!  I'll retest
14:28 khall -s was meant to be -3
14:28 kf aaah ok :)
14:29 kf may still fail, but worth a try :)
14:29 kf khall: maybe also take a look at bug 8800 - I did some testing there this morning and I think the test cases are related to it
14:29 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8800 blocker, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Failed QA , SpecifyDueDate && useDaysMode=Datedue wrong behaviour
14:30 khall will do
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14:31 tcohen khall, can u help me rebase bug 9074? I cannot figure what the problem is
14:37 khall tcohen, I attached a rebased version of 9074
14:41 tcohen thanks khall
14:41 khall np
14:43 tcohen khall, the problem is with the code
14:43 khall that's what I thought
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14:43 tcohen (provided you filled your test db with sample_holidays.sql)
14:44 tcohen i filled bug 9078 for fixing that
14:44 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9078 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, NEW , is_holiday should honour holiday exceptions
14:46 khall tcohen, trying to test 9078, fatal: sha1 information is lacking or useless (Koha/
14:46 khall can't apply the patch
14:48 tcohen oh my
14:48 tcohen whats wrong with me today??
14:48 paul_p khall 'morning. if you can ask melia to have a look at bug 8770, that would be nice
14:48 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8770 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , amount does not equal amountoutstanding on a fine with no payments or credits
14:48 khall will do!
14:49 tcohen oh, khall, forgot to mention it depends on bug 8800
14:49 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8800 blocker, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Failed QA , SpecifyDueDate && useDaysMode=Datedue wrong behaviour
14:49 khall gotcha, thanks!
15:02 gaetan_B oleonard: hello, im still trying your patch, i can't get it to work under anything else than firefox on ubuntu :( but i'm starting to suspect something is wrong with the instance i am testing on...
15:03 gaetan_B (i've tested it with chromium under ubuntu, chrome, safari and firefox (various versions) on a mac, to no avail !)
15:04 oleonard gaetan_B: khall signed off, so it's in QA's hands now. Thanks for testing though.
15:04 gaetan_B ok i'll it there then :)
15:08 tcohen khall, looks like your signoff added an extra charset="utf8" that breaks the merge
15:09 khall which bug?
15:09 tcohen 8800 at least
15:10 tcohen 9074 and 9078 too
15:10 tcohen its a git config issue
15:10 tcohen is it safe to edit the patch on bugzilla and remove it?
15:10 khall do you know what I should do to fix it?
15:11 khall I've no idea
15:12 khall i don't see a reason why you can't just edit the patch on bugzilla
15:13 tcohen we had (a while ago) a problem with git which didn't insert the encoding definition
15:13 tcohen which was fixed by git people
15:13 tcohen we had a workaround in ~/.gitconfig
15:14 tcohen that inserted the charset stuff
15:14 tcohen but current git just appends every charset definition it finds
15:15 tcohen the bug was reported to git, and was indeed fixed, but i'm not sure what git version has it fixed
15:17 magnuse anyone got an installation of the latest squeeze-dev koha-common for testing?  ido, ad i have loaded a 3.8.6 dbdump, run koha-upgrade-schema and koha-rebuild-zebra, but i can't search...
15:17 magnuse i get "You did not specify any search criteria." in the title bar and " Can't call method "raw" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 461. " on the page
15:18 khall it looks like I'm using the latest version of git from lenny packages
15:18 tcohen you should remove from ~/.gitconfig some prefs that says
15:18 tcohen format.headers
15:19 khall gotcha, fixed
15:22 kf paul_p: I am still here :)
15:23 paul_p kf = uploading my screencast
15:23 kf too late, now I commented :)
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15:24 kf but I will watch your screencast too
15:25 paul_p kf= my problem is that I don't see anything wrong with my tests :(
15:26 kf oh
15:26 kf rangi confirmed
15:26 kf so I am not too worried it was my setup
15:26 kf let's see
15:27 kf paul_p: not sure that will work on my work computer
15:29 kf paul_p: I can't open the file format
15:29 paul_p no ogg vorbis reader maybe ?
15:30 kf paul_p: yep, but can't install anything on this computer
15:30 paul_p kf: :((((
15:30 kf what I did was: create a fine - click on "write off fine"
15:30 kf pop up said: do you really want to? - I said yes
15:31 kf it looked like it was working, but the total due never got removed
15:31 kf so everything looked ok, but the fee/fine was still there
15:36 paul_p kf = just added what I did on the bug
15:38 kf paul_p: not sure what is different for you, but that's exactly what I did and it didn't work on master of last night
15:38 paul_p kf= are you on a fresh install or an updated from 3.8 ?
15:38 kf rangi confirmed, I am not sure where the problem is
15:38 kf hm
15:38 kf I was on a fresh installation
15:38 kf I redid all my databases recently
15:39 kf like 2 weeks ago... qam preparations
15:39 kf I have to work on soemthing with a coworker, will be back in a hwile
15:39 paul_p OK, that could be the reason then. I'm running an updated. investigating...
15:39 kf it's a good idea
15:39 kf sorry to run out, we are updating libraries tomorrow... some testing to be done
15:42 oleonard julian_m++ # for Bug 9117
15:42 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9117 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , Reports hierarchies management improvements
15:43 julian_m oleonard, i'm glad you like it ;)
15:48 tcohen found it kf, khall!
15:50 kf tcohen: yay!
15:50 kf julian_m: I like it too :)
15:51 tcohen the add_holiday function that is only used for the tests, it adds special holidays as exeption holidays :-D
15:51 tcohen that's why the tests worked until the exceptions were fixed
15:51 maximep the 9117 patch has "<option value="0" selected="selelcted">"
15:52 kf so it confuses unique holdiays and exceptions?
15:52 maximep selelcted o_O
15:52 tcohen the tests worked before because of the bug
15:52 oleonard maximep: I guess my validation tests missed that one
15:52 tcohen the question now is, where should I attach the patch?
15:52 tcohen hehe
15:53 tcohen i made a real mess with those bugs / patches dependencies
15:53 oleonard maximep: At least I caught "<option value="1">Yes</public>"
15:53 maximep hahaha
15:53 tcohen kf, a new bug?
15:54 kf hm not sure
15:54 kf maybe it will make things more confusing?
15:54 kf I will need a test drive plan and sequence :)
15:54 kf tcohen++ btw
15:54 tcohen i'll attach it to 9078
15:54 tcohen as it introduced the 'problem' with the test
15:54 tcohen s
15:59 tcohen yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
16:00 tcohen hehe
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16:29 kf paul_p: logs were clean :(
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16:34 kf bye - will be back later
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17:04 drojf good evenig #koha
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17:11 nengard paul_p and I need some feedback on bug 8723 - how do you all think it should be handled?
17:11 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8723 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , holds don't transfer when moving items
17:11 gaetan_B what does UF: mean for authorities ?
17:12 paul_p nengard you'll read the answers, but not me. family time here ;-) Bye & see you tomorrow morning #koha !
17:12 nengard :)
17:13 nengard tomorrow is a holiday here so see you next week! :)
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17:17 tcohen khall, i've attached a followup on bug 9078 that fixes the failing tests
17:17 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9078 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , is_holiday should honour holiday exceptions
17:19 khall excellent!
17:21 tcohen you should ask jcamins, but maybe your signoffs should be redone to remove that charset definition
17:21 tcohen i mean, jcamins_away
17:24 khall I'll try to fix what I can
17:29 tcohen khall, thanks, just let me know anything i can contirbute
17:29 khall no problem!
17:29 khall let me know if you notice any patches I've missed
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17:35 tcohen great khall, only 9074 missing
17:36 khall thanks tcohen!
17:36 * cait waves
17:38 tcohen hi cait
17:40 cait tcohen: I will prepare dinner and then test duedate :)
17:41 cait drojf: ping
17:54 tcohen cait, I hope your dinner wouldnt burn, and the tests go ok, of course
17:54 cait :)
18:34 rangi Morning
18:34 wahanui Morning is probably a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast.
18:35 cait morning rangi
18:40 francharb see ya
18:42 chris_n howdy rangi, cait
18:46 chris_n whoever said open source software is free apparently never had to do any real work
18:47 rangi Hehe
18:49 cait hi chris_n :)
18:52 * chris_n hates it when he turns down the wrong IF on  a server across campus :-P
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19:30 oleonard Hi kohanoob
19:30 * cait waves to oleonard
19:49 wizzyrea hi peeps
19:49 oleonard Hi volcano girl
19:49 * cait waves at wizzyrea
19:50 wizzyrea lol
19:51 bag heh I like it volcano girl
19:52 wizzyrea that sort of makes it sound like I'll spew hot lava on you at any moment.
19:52 cait only at the bugs
19:52 cait :)
19:52 wizzyrea hehe
19:52 cait which reminds me... I should start testing :)
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20:24 cait @later tell tcohen can you ping me when you are around?
20:24 huginn cait: The operation succeeded.
20:24 cait and hi kathryn :)
20:27 kathryn hi cait :)
20:40 oleonard wizzyrea: Are you cooking a humongous turkey for all your NZ friends tomorrow?
20:41 trea today = tomorrow
20:42 wizzyrea ^^
20:42 wizzyrea well I just got word that my shipment arrives today so... no, probably not
20:42 wizzyrea lol.
20:43 kathryn good point oleanard. I can't wait for my turduckin and pieinapieinapie!
20:43 wizzyrea kathryn: you'll have a better chance of getting that out of me once I have my kitchen back :)
20:43 oleonard Well wizzyrea I assumed it must be tomorrow since you're not at home slaving over a hot stove ;)
20:43 kathryn d'oh!
20:44 kathryn oh I read that wizzyrea assumed it must be tomorrow cos I'M not slaving over a hot stove! :)
20:45 kathryn ah food, sure to wake me from wherever I may be concentrating
20:45 wizzyrea lol
20:45 oleonard There hasn't been enough food talk around here lately.
20:45 * oleonard sees this as a sign that jcamins_away is busier than he should be
20:46 kathryn Well, what do you do for thanksgiving dinnner, if you do it :)
20:47 oleonard I usually bring one or two side-dishes to a family potluck. This year mashed potatoes, mushroom gravy, and maybe a pumpkin pie
20:48 kathryn we do family potluck for christmas :)
20:48 * oleonard tried a vegetarian mushroom gravy recipe recently that was delicious
20:48 wizzyrea that sounds yum
20:48 kathryn I'd put that on steak
20:48 kathryn ooops you're vege ay
20:49 oleonard But I wouldn't slap the gravy out of your hand for putting it on steak kathryn
20:49 kathryn :) mmmnnn good cos i already ate in my head
20:49 trea i had this idea for a variation on pecan pie. pecan custard, on a pecan shortbread crust, topped with toasted pecans.
20:49 trea it sounded pretty ridiculous
20:50 wizzyrea wait, why have we not done this yet.
20:50 wizzyrea >.>
20:50 trea because I just thought of it yesterday
20:50 wizzyrea !
20:50 * oleonard has a favorite chocolate-pecan pie which originated at the Paradise Cafe
20:51 kathryn ooohhh
20:53 wizzyrea I promise to bring in strange treats from american holidays
20:57 ibeardslee yay!
20:58 wizzyrea assuming of course I can find reasonable substitutes for the ingredients :)
20:58 wizzyrea (but I'm pretty clever in that regard so I'm not too worried)
20:58 oleonard See you later #koha
20:58 wizzyrea bye oleonard
21:15 trea Mars Curiosity rover team set to announce 'major discovery' on surface of Red Planet that 'will be one for the history books'
21:20 drojf announcing an announcement, so i guess it's a new iphone?
21:20 cait maybe they found santa?
21:20 cait the announcement will be made early next month
21:21 cait reindeer... something
21:21 drojf or some of obama's drones
21:21 trea they found santa; he was behind the sofa the entire time
21:23 drojf when did "needs signoff" turn back into a three digit number? :(
21:24 cait trea: that#s a scary thought
21:25 trea :D
21:25 * cait keeps looking over her shoulder now
21:37 kohanoob anyone having problems with the opac login screen for the latest version of mozilla and IE 9
21:38 wizzyrea what kind of problems?
21:40 kohanoob the page shows "#!/usr/bin/perl # This file is pa [...]"
21:41 kohanoob it loads for me in ie 8, safari, and mozilla 8
21:41 wizzyrea what version?
21:42 wizzyrea of koha
21:44 kohanoob 3.4
21:44 wizzyrea no, there are no reported problems of that nature, but 3.4 is pretty old now.
21:45 rangi sounds more like an apache issue
21:45 wizzyrea ^
21:45 rangi if its serving you the code, not executing it
21:46 drojf file permissions maybe?
21:48 wizzyrea hrm I'm not getting my confirmation emails from the lists :(
21:48 wizzyrea I did from the main koha one.
21:50 rangi i think something is up with the koha-devel one maybe
21:54 wizzyrea hrmmm
21:57 cait wizzyrea: confirmation mails?
21:57 wizzyrea yea, trying to subscribe
22:10 * drojf mumbles something about google groups
22:17 cait hm
22:17 cait wizzyrea: I made changes on bugzilla, but there are no new mails ont he bugs list
22:18 cait maybe something wrong with the list server?
22:18 rangi yeah
22:18 rangi this happened the other day too
22:18 rangi then they came through in a flood
22:18 rangi i think something is up with the list serv
22:18 rangi its a different server to the main list
22:19 wizzyrea right, well I'll just wait then
22:19 wizzyrea no biggie i still get mails on my other account.
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22:54 gaetan_B bye !
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