IRC log for #koha, 2012-11-05

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01:09 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8904: fix Plack scoping for <[…]2c105d84aaa60f493>
01:13 jenkins_koha Starting build #930 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
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01:19 cait @wunder oslo
01:19 huginn cait: Error: No such location could be found.
01:20 eythian probably needs more ø
01:20 cait yeah, Ithink so
01:20 cait maybe
01:20 cait @wunder Oslo, Norway
01:20 huginn cait: The current temperature in Holter, Holter, Norway is 2.2°C (2:17 AM CET on November 05, 2012). Conditions: Fog. Humidity: 99%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Steady).
01:21 cait hm not too bad
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02:17 mtj hi #koha , i've a random plack Q...
02:17 mtj does anyone have a intra.psgi file about, for a koha-git setup?
02:18 mtj im using the examples from this page ->
02:18 mtj but they are for tarball/package installs only
02:18 mtj and i suspect ive got some of my $PATH stuff incorrect...
02:22 jcamins_away mtj: yes.
02:22 jcamins_away mtj: well, sort of.
02:22 jcamins_away Okay, not really. I don't do intranet/opac divides.
02:22 jcamins_away They offend me.
02:22 mtj np, just paste it  :)
02:22 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #930: SUCCESS in 1 hr 9 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/930/
02:22 jenkins_koha Paul Poulain: Bug 8904: fix Plack scoping for
02:22 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8904 blocker, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, Pushed to Master , Plack variable scoping in tools/overduerules
02:22 jcamins_away[…]Starman_and_nginx
02:24 mtj cool, looks good
02:32 jcamins_away You could probably replace nginx with Apache.
02:39 mtj all good, ive poked a little more and got it running :)
02:39 jcamins_away There are two problems with that configuration:
02:40 jcamins_away 1) no error pages
02:40 jcamins_away @query starman
02:40 huginn jcamins_away: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7172 major, P1 - high, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Omnibus for Plack variable scoping problems
02:40 huginn jcamins_away: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8908 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Starman/Plack hangs when faced with zombie Zebra
02:40 huginn jcamins_away: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8970 blocker, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , MARC import gives error under Starman/Plack
02:40 huginn jcamins_away: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7844 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Needs Signoff , plack scripts for developers
02:40 huginn jcamins_away: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9005 major, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Changing sysprefs requires restart under Plack
02:40 jcamins_away 2) bug 8970
02:40 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8970 blocker, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , MARC import gives error under Starman/Plack
02:40 jcamins_away And 3) bug 9005 is exacerbated by using starman.
02:40 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9005 major, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Changing sysprefs requires restart under Plack
02:40 mtj the thing that was catching me, was needed to run
02:41 mtj http://localhost:5001/cgi-bin/koha/ , and not just ...
02:41 mtj http://localhost:5001 , etc...
02:41 mtj i didnt click i needed to be explicit :/
02:41 jcamins_away That's...
02:41 jcamins_away oh.
02:41 jcamins_away Not in the configuration file.
02:41 jcamins_away In fact, it's missing a passel of redirects.
02:42 jcamins_away Actually, I got it down to one redirect. Never mind.
02:42 mtj yeah… i get a pro setup would have an apache/nginx in front, to fix that
02:42 jcamins_away Fixing.
02:43 mtj thanks for the help
02:45 mtj you know what would be a great idea… an 'about Koha/what is Koha' page somewhere  on the opac
02:47 mtj make it nice and subtle/discreet, so it wont annoy anyone
02:47 mtj i really like the idea of curious/bored users clicking on it, and getting an inspirational history lesson
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03:02 jcamins_away @later tell cait Have you ever seen Tanz der Vampire?
03:02 huginn jcamins_away: The operation succeeded.
04:23 jcamins_away mtj: if you want to QA something that doesn't require Plack, bugs 8915 and 8949 are good.
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04:59 Oak kia ora #koha
04:59 Oak magnuse
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05:10 vkm OPAC google transliteration is not working for local languages, is there any option in system preference for that? 3.6.4 is not having any such option?
05:11 eythian vkm: you're going to have to provide more information before anyone can help you.
05:12 eythian first question?
05:12 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?"
05:13 vkm OPAC should display indic language option to translate the local language from google translation the option is visible near Cart to select the language, please see example at[…]koha/
05:16 eythian OK, I see the dropdown besite the cart button, is that the language selector?
05:17 eythian it seems to be working, at least, based on what you've told us so far.
05:17 vkm yes, if we wright anything in english it automaticaly convert it in concern selected language by google
05:18 eythian I assume this is a custom feature, I don't think regular Koha can do this.
05:20 vkm ok it may be, the code for this is given at http://lists.koha-community.or[…]tober/032940.html , please sugest after reading
05:22 eythian that code is pretty old, I don't think it'll work without some conversion in 3.6.
05:22 eythian They should have made a bug and attached it to that, otherwise it won't get into Koha.
05:26 vkm ok thx
05:27 vkm one think can you sugest what are the software required on server machine to send auto email from koha from my gmail account
05:28 vkm means gmail account as a system admin account and how to configure it
05:30 eythian I usually postfix, and you configure it through /etc/aliases.
05:30 eythian I'd recommend reading documentation on that though.
05:31 vkm yes i customisez a lot thing but not able to configure this feature, if you can help better please
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06:29 * magnuse waves
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06:29 magnuse wizzyrea?
06:29 wahanui i think wizzyrea is a Cylon, and they all have plans.
06:30 magnuse eek!
06:30 eythian_ magnuse: you can tell by the knight-rider style red sweeping light.
06:31 magnuse yeah, i have seen the first 1,5 seasons :-)
06:37 magnuse wow 1948 hits for koha in lib-web-cats
06:37 rangi nice, thats a jump of about 100 since i last looked
06:38 rangi ahh all the philipines in there now
06:39 rangi found 262 items where the country is Philippines and the library automation system used is koha
06:39 magnuse yay
06:39 magnuse i should get all the norwegian ones in there to
06:40 * wizzyrea waves
06:41 magnuse kia ora wizzyrea!
06:41 wizzyrea kia ora :)
06:41 rangi magnuse: yep you should :)
06:41 rangi hey wizzyrea
06:41 wahanui i heard wizzyrea was a Cylon, and they all have plans.
06:41 wizzyrea heya
06:41 wizzyrea I like science was funny, but being a cylon makes me sound much tougher.
06:42 magnuse yup
06:48 eythian_ 'multicast_id' => '5.8395359547812e+18' <-- thanks JSON library
06:55 wizzyrea huh. guess george lucas is going to donate the disney proceeds (4 billion US) to education.
06:57 magnuse that would be kind of cool?
07:04 magnuse national libraries?
07:05 magnuse national libraries using koha are Malawi, Philippines and Venezuela
07:05 magnuse national libraries?
07:05 magnuse national libraries using koha is Malawi, Philippines and Venezuela
07:05 magnuse national libraries?
07:05 eythian_ magnuse: not how the grammar works :)
07:05 rangi are
07:05 magnuse ah
07:05 magnuse national libraries using koha?
07:05 wahanui well, national libraries using koha is Malawi, Philippines and Venezuela
07:05 eythian_ yeah, that
07:05 wahanui yeah, that is cool - a way to enhance the OPAC without bloating Koha...
07:06 magnuse wahanui: forget national libraries using koha?
07:06 wahanui magnuse: I forgot national libraries using koha
07:06 rangi also cook islands
07:06 rangi is the nat lib of malawi really using koha?
07:06 magnuse national libraries using koha are Malawi, Philippines and Venezuela and Cook Islands
07:06 magnuse dunno - libwebcats says so
07:06 rangi must be then
07:06 rangi i knew parliament was
07:08 eythian_ magnuse: fyi, 'are' and 'is' are two different databases
07:08 magnuse eythian_: ok?
07:08 magnuse um libwebcats also says this is the website of the national library: um, that seems kind of strange...
07:08 eythian_ if you say 'something is something' and 'something are something', that's two different things.
07:09 eythian_ I don't know how the bot picks which to use when replying though
07:09 eythian_ I can see fireworks from my window
07:09 wizzyrea can you!
07:09 eythian_ yep
07:09 wizzyrea srs?!
07:09 wizzyrea sweet :)
07:09 * wizzyrea wonders about HER window
07:09 eythian_ not the big ones on the water, that's later I presume, but I can see this side of mt vic
07:10 rangi yeah
07:10 rangi big ones are at 9pm
07:10 rangi theres just randoms letting off ones in their backyard at the moment
07:10 rangi you'll hear the big ones, even if you dont see them
07:10 magnuse would that be the guy fawkes thing?
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07:11 wizzyrea yep
07:11 eythian_ jup
07:11 wizzyrea i saw some from the front window :)
07:11 magnuse ah, i think it's exactly 2 years since i left nz then :-)
07:13 eythian_ when are you visiting agin then, everyone else is doing it. And by everyone else I mean wizzyrea.
07:14 wizzyrea hehe
07:16 magnuse hehe
07:16 magnuse as soon as possible is all i can say...
07:16 magnuse when are you hosting kohacon again? ;-)
07:18 magnuse hm, rememebered that wrong - yesterday was 2 years since i left, but guy fawkes was just around the corner at least
07:19 rangi probably 2015
07:19 rangi i figure nz should get every 5 :)
07:23 * magnuse would vote for that!
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07:26 alex_a bonjour
07:26 wahanui hi, alex_a
07:32 rangi hi alex_a
07:34 magnuse @wunder boo
07:34 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 3.0°C (8:20 AM CET on November 05, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa (Steady).
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07:43 reiveune hello
07:46 magnuse hiya cait and reiveune
07:46 cait hi mg
07:46 cait hi magnuse
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07:48 julian_m hello
07:54 rangi hi julian_m
07:56 julian_m hi rangi
08:00 cait hi all :)
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08:03 gaetan_B hello
08:03 lds hello
08:03 wahanui hey, lds
08:11 cait @later tell jcamins - yes, twice
08:11 huginn cait: The operation succeeded.
08:21 magnuse slides?
08:21 wahanui kf should be writing slides
08:21 magnuse and so should magnuse - for "get to know koha" on wednesday
08:23 cait yay!
08:23 cait I think I am starting to freak about flying to oslo tomorrow
08:25 matts hi !
08:25 cait hi matts :)
08:25 cait how are the cats?
08:26 matts Fine, I guess, I'm in Marseille right now !
08:26 magnuse cait: it'll be fun
08:27 cait matts: oh :)
08:27 cait magnuse: :)
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08:40 paul_p good morning #koha
08:40 paul_p rangi are you here ?
08:40 rangi yep
08:41 paul_p rangi = laurent ducos just tell me he has no feedback from his previous mail about DNS changes for . Have you seen his mail ?
08:41 paul_p rangi (do you have the permissions to update DNS)
08:41 rangi yep
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08:42 rangi but i doubt ill be able to at 8am as i most likely will be on a bus
08:42 paul_p rangi = I don't think it's a problem. When do you think you should be able to update DNS ?
08:43 paul_p (which TZ are you atm ? GMT-10 ?)
08:43 rangi +13
08:44 paul_p OK, so exactly 12hours difference with us
08:44 paul_p rangi = When do you think you should be able to update DNS ?
08:45 rangi i can do it now, or at 9am
08:46 paul_p I think 9AM is OK, because it will take some time, so I doubt that should cause a problem.
08:46 rangi 3600/60/60
08:46 wahanui 1
08:47 cjh 11/2
08:47 cjh :(
08:48 rangi ttl is 1 hour, so if its changed at 9am, it wont be propogated fully until at least 10am
08:48 paul_p rangi = lds will switch off the previous mail server before starting so any pending mail will be delivered with some delay, isn't it ?
08:48 rangi depends
08:48 rangi most of it will
08:49 rangi but it depends entirely on how peoples mail servers are configured
08:49 rangi how many retries they do
08:49 rangi before they bounce mail
08:55 cait paul_p: you interpreted the German mail correctly ;)
08:55 paul_p hi cait :D
08:57 jenkins_koha Starting build #7 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
08:58 cait paul_p: I will be back properly next week
08:59 paul_p cait = yes, I understood that. are you a bot chatting here then ?
08:59 cait nope, but my family kept me away from the internets
08:59 cait only today I have to prepare my presentation
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09:00 marcelr hi koha
09:01 cait hi marcelr :)
09:02 marcelr :)
09:15 lds rangi : dns switch at 10 h is ok for you ?
09:16 rangi 10am nz time?
09:17 paul_p rangi I think lds is saying 10PM for us and 10AM for you
09:17 rangi yep can do that
09:41 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #7: SUCCESS in 44 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.10.x/7/
09:41 jenkins_koha Paul Poulain: Bug 8904: fix Plack scoping for
09:41 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8904 blocker, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, Pushed to Master , Plack variable scoping in tools/overduerules
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10:35 magnuse paul_p or someone else from biblibre: did move to a new address?
10:35 paul_p sophie_m <magnuse> paul_p or someone else from biblibre: did move to a new address?
10:36 lds paul_p: c'est quoi qui lui fait dire ça
10:36 sophie_m not yet, but it is on its way. Why ?
10:36 sophie_m magnuse: why do you ask ?
10:39 magnuse sophie_m: i can't get in touch with it
10:39 magnuse my browser just says "connecting..."
10:40 sophie_m magnuse: it's ok for me. We have a look
10:42 lds magnuse: please give me your dns server (/etc/resolv.conf)
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12:45 tcohen morning  #koha
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13:00 lms hello
13:00 wahanui hey, lms
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13:30 oleonard Hi #koha
13:31 jcamins Good morning, #koha.
13:31 oleonard How's the infrastructure today jcamins?
13:32 jcamins oleonard: Subway service isn't fully restored, but it's close.
13:35 cait oh good
13:35 cait jcamins: what was the question about? :)
13:38 jcamins cait: Dance of the Vampires in English was _spectacularly bad.
13:39 jcamins But it was supposed to be very good and exceedingly popular in Germany and Hungary.
13:39 jcamins So I was wondering if you'd seen it. :)
13:39 cait ah
13:39 cait yes
13:39 cait it was in stuttgart for a long time
13:40 cait which is very close
13:40 cait we got cheap tickets the first time and I liked it ok, the second time I accompanied a friend who was a great fan
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13:45 Shane-S what is the easiest way to backup koha, I used the package installs, and I see there is koha-run-backups and koha-dump, would that be enough and transferring to a remote system/drive?
13:45 jcamins Yes.
13:45 jcamins koha-run-backups is to be run nightly.
13:45 jcamins koha-dump produces a complete backup of the system.
13:45 jcamins (it's run by koha-run-backups every night)
13:46 Shane-S oh, so then I can skip koha-dump?
13:46 Shane-S as its part of backups
13:47 jcamins I'd rerun it so that you get any changes that were made this morning.
13:47 Shane-S if I use run-backups that will do the -dump command though right?
13:48 jcamins Yes.
13:49 Shane-S okay thanks, I will work on getting that data :)
13:49 Shane-S after I remember my login ROFL
13:53 jcamins paul_p: bug 9008 - do you plan on pushing it to 3.10?
13:53 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9008 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Warn if librarian logged-in with mysql/admin account
13:53 jcamins It does include string changes.
13:54 jcamins On the other hand, it is *only* new strings, and if a librarian can't understand the first message they see, they might be inclined to ask on the mailing list.
13:54 paul_p jcamins I think it can wait for 3.10.1 (not a critical fix, the problem existed for years, it's an important warning that should avoid some RFTM on mailing lists ;-) )
13:54 jcamins Okay.
13:55 paul_p jcamins = but you can push it though. I'll just ignore it for 3.10 . Don't hesitate to push some patches not for 3.10. [Or at least starting to]
13:56 jcamins paul_p: if I push anything that is 3.12-only, you'll have to switch to cherry-picking instead of merging.
13:57 paul_p jcamins right. That's not a big problem for me. OTOH, having patches being piled could result in conflicts when you try to push all of them. We're 2 weeks from release, I think you can start pushing 3.12
13:58 jenkins_koha Starting build #931 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
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13:59 cait jcamins: I think I like people staying focused on bug fixes for now
13:59 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_8842' into 3.12-master <[…]a343a5943e7593eb4> / Bug 8842 fix Plack scoping for holidays <[…]175247aea0d92da1c> / Merge branch 'bug_8949' into 3.12-master <[…]199a2c65849d0ed3b
13:59 cait new features mean people get distracted and we will end upneeding 2 different patches - so more confusion
14:00 jcamins I have a local integration branch for pushing 3.12 patches to so I can see what's going on.
14:00 paul_p jcamins that's why I see "3.12-master" merges on git sometimes ?
14:01 jcamins Well, I call the master branch "3.12-master."
14:01 jcamins The idea of 3.12-integration is so that I know what problems I'm facing in terms of merge conflicts, etc.
14:09 jcamins Ugh... speaking of merge conflicts...
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14:35 jcamins I don't think I like Aquabrowser.
14:35 jcamins Also, why has no one told the Queens Library that the marquee tag is deprecated and annoying?
14:35 oleonard Wow really, marquee tag?
14:36 jcamins Either that or they used javascript to emulate it.
14:37 jcamins Okay, I guess it's javascript.
14:37 jcamins Looks like the marquee tag, though.
14:37 oleonard Their site looks a lot less polished than it used to be
14:37 jcamins And I hate it.
14:38 oleonard Wow I looked all over for the link to the catalog before I saw the form inside that big banner.
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14:42 cait what is the marquee tag?
14:43 jcamins cait: - take a look at the top of the page.
14:44 cait eew
14:46 cait thx
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15:06 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #931: SUCCESS in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/931/
15:06 jenkins_koha * Paul Poulain: Bug 8490: fix Plack error when creating label layout
15:06 jenkins_koha * Paul Poulain: Bug 8949: Trying to view help on a page without any help results in a nasty error
15:06 jenkins_koha * Paul Poulain: Bug 8842 fix Plack scoping for holidays
15:06 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8490 blocker, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, Pushed to Master , Error when adding label layout under plack
15:06 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8949 normal, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, Pushed to Master , Trying to view help on a page without any help results in a Perl error
15:06 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8842 blocker, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, Pushed to Master , Plack and tools/
15:07 jcamins Anyone here who is good with awk?
15:11 jcamins Figured it out, never mind.
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15:15 Lentzs hello
15:15 cait hi Lentzs
15:16 Lentzs Over the weekend I was working on setting up an Koha server. It was easier then Evergreen.
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15:19 Lentzs I was in hear chatting and was told it was more active during the week.
15:19 * Shane-S tried evergreen about 3 years ago before Koha had packages...adn the building perl kept I am in love with Koha
15:20 * Shane-S knows PERL not building is "my" fault, but made it so Evergreen won me over because I got it installed :P
15:20 Lentzs Now I am trying to find an easy way to migrate from a Follett System.
15:21 Shane-S Oh I just did that this summer from CIRC/CAT
15:21 Shane-S you are going to need a marc editor...*goes to find that link*
15:21 Lentzs The school I am working with that old system.
15:22 Lentzs Trying to help them save money.
15:23 Shane-S Lentzs: you will need to use[…]it/html/index.php
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15:23 Lentzs thanks.
15:23 cait you will have to create marc records if follet can't export them
15:23 cait like Shane-S said :)
15:23 Lentzs I have been able to pull the MARC21.
15:24 cait ah, if it's valid marc21 you can try importing it into koha using the staged marc tools next
15:24 Shane-S Lentzs: I was able to export but had to change many of the 800 series to be 900 series
15:24 Shane-S I also had to modify some fields, and I manually added library code, item type, and a couple more
15:24 alaquerre Hi all, Question for you.  I know how to setup OAI server and I know it work.  But I would like to understand how to « retreive » information from other server.  The goal is to search a word « History » in OPAC and see the result from different OAI server .
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15:25 Lentzs I have about 2000 Records to be edited. Will this do in batch?
15:26 Shane-S Lentzs: yes it batch edits
15:26 Shane-S Lentzs: I would try on a demo system to import so you can see what didn't transfer
15:27 Shane-S Lentzs: it helped me to setup a VM with it, and keep practicing until I got it right
15:27 Lentzs That it want I am working on now.
15:27 Shane-S so I had my desktop with the MARC21 file, MarcEdit, and a Koha VM, and I just kept messing with and restoring Koha back to my initial setup
15:31 Lentzs I have one qustion. Why am I able to search OPAC and it is finding data even though I reset the system. Is there a master reset command to dump and restart everything?
15:31 Lentzs Of do I need to just reload the system. Ex reinstall OS.
15:31 Shane-S Lentzs: if I am not mistaken, zebra indexing takes 10 minutes be default
15:32 Shane-S so I think Zebra still has it loaded, there is a command to clear it, I don't know it sadly
15:32 jcamins Shane-S: it runs every ten minutes by default.
15:32 Shane-S jcamins: normally tells me :P
15:32 jcamins The command is koha-rebuild-zebra --full lib
15:35 Lentzs That did it. Must have been data that I loaded over the weekend.
15:46 jcamins How do you pipe a multi-line string in bash?
15:48 jcamins Got it.
15:48 jcamins Unfortunately, my solution killed my terminal.
15:53 Lentzs So all I have to do I move the 800 series to 900 series. It looks like the 800s have the copy info in them Ex. barcode info. If I move it over to the 900s will it keep the copy info?
15:54 alaquerre i'll ask again sorry :-)  Anyone know how to retreive OAI informations into OPAC so this is transparent for the user ?
15:56 cait alaquerre: I am not sure what you want to do is possible with koha
15:56 cait alaquerre: afaik koha is an oai server - so it can be used to get records, but can't harvest itself
15:57 jcamins You might be able to us PazPar2, but I don't know how.
15:58 alaquerre ok - I would like to retreive information from other server and display the information into Koha.  Example : search "history" and get result from Britanica inside all the results.
15:58 alaquerre if that's the case, what is missing to do a federated search ?
15:58 jcamins If PazPar2 supports SRU, nothing.
15:58 jcamins Well- a configuration file.
15:58 jcamins If PazPar2 is Z39.50-only, support for federated search using SRU.
15:59 alaquerre Is SRU a "standard" just like OAI. ( sorry for my ignorance)
16:00 jcamins As an aside, my understanding is that OAI is a harvesting protocol not a metasearch protocol.
16:00 jcamins It's a related standard, yes.
16:00 alaquerre you maybe right :-).. So that would mean - harverst all data and index them into Koha.
16:01 alaquerre Most of our need are only in OAI.  Not sure if they support SRU
16:01 cait I think you might have to harvest them then
16:01 jcamins Right. If you want to do that, there is no support at all.
16:01 jcamins Koha does not have an OAI harvester built in.
16:01 cait yep
16:02 alaquerre Would it be interresting to do one ?
16:02 jcamins alaquerre: I'm sure it would be.
16:02 jcamins It would not, however, be trivial.
16:03 alaquerre jcamins: why ?
16:03 alaquerre you see that a BIG dev ?
16:03 jcamins Because there's no existing support for that sort of harvested data in Koha.
16:03 jcamins Very big.
16:03 Shane-S Lentzs: sorry I was away, I forget the exact record numbers needed, it isn't a 100% move, I went through and wrote down which fields I wanted/needed and matched them to Koha using the MARC screen under cataloging
16:04 alaquerre ok - so my best approach is to try to make it work using SRU.
16:05 jcamins I think doing that would require A) the search rewrite to be completed ([…]earch_Rewrite_RFC ), B) an OAI harvester to be implemented in a way that worked well with Koha [there may be a harvester that could already be used], and C) a search plugin for the harvested data would have to be written.
16:05 jcamins Yes.
16:05 jcamins That may still be non-trivial, but I don't know for sure.
16:05 gerundio hi, can someone help with Koha over SSL/HTTPS?
16:06 jcamins gerundio: what problem are you running into?
16:06 reiveune bye
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16:06 cait Lentzs: try not to reconfigure Koha - make your data math
16:06 cait match
16:06 gerundio jcamins, I've created a self signed certificate for the time being
16:06 cait Lentzs: only a hint :) because it seems possible to reconfigure item information in the configuration screens, ubt it will kill the indexing and search
16:07 alaquerre I'll keep that in mind.  For my part, I still think this is a very interesting new features.  ( SirsiDynix have it :-) ) and it is currently "mandatory feature" required by state university.
16:07 gerundio and redirected all the requests from port 80 to 443 and 8080 to 8443
16:07 alaquerre jcamins: thanks for the inputs.
16:07 jcamins PazPar2 supports SRU.
16:07 jcamins So you just need configuration files.
16:09 gerundio the redirect works fine
16:09 gerundio but now I just get 404 on any request
16:09 jcamins Did you enable SSL and change the VirtualHost to listen on 443?
16:11 gerundio yeap
16:11 jcamins Did you *stop* Apache and then start it again?
16:11 gerundio the strangest thing is I'm not getting anything in the apache error logs
16:11 gerundio yeap, restarted apache at every change I've made
16:12 jenkins_koha Starting build #8 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
16:12 gerundio basically I moved all the opac related settings to the 443 vhost
16:12 gerundio and the intranet related setting to the 8443 vhost
16:13 gerundio the 80 and 8080 vhosts have basically just DocumentRoot, ServerName and redirect settings
16:14 gerundio surely this must be a case of PEBKAC
16:14 jcamins But when you say "restarted," did you do `sudo apache2ctl stop && sudo apache2ctl start` or `sudo apache2ctl restart`
16:14 jcamins The first will work.
16:14 jcamins The second will not.
16:17 gerundio hmm, jcamins restart != stop + start?
16:17 gerundio or are you thinking of reload?
16:17 gerundio I used restart at 1st
16:17 gerundio now I tried the stop + start combo and the result is the same
16:18 jcamins No, I'm thinking of restart.
16:18 jcamins It's a bug in Apache's SSL support.
16:18 jcamins Something to do with setuid and certificates.
16:19 jcamins However, apparently that wasn't the problem.
16:19 jcamins Could you please paste your koha-httpd.conf?
16:19 oleonard paste?
16:19 wahanui paste is found at
16:20 jcamins Right. Paste your koha-httpd.conf using that. :)
16:21 gerundio jcamins, just solved it
16:21 gerundio mod_ssl wasn't enabled as I thought
16:21 jcamins Ah-ha!
16:21 gerundio assumed it was the 1st thing I did ... but I missed it :|
16:22 gerundio weird thing though it didn't show up in any log
16:22 jcamins For the record, if the Nor'easter this week is bad, I will be _very_ displeased.
16:23 jcamins And no one wants a displeased RM!
16:25 jcamins No one!
16:27 cait Nor'easter?
16:27 jcamins Really bad storm.
16:27 cait another?
16:27 wahanui another is probably
16:27 cait oh
16:27 cait forget another
16:27 wahanui cait: I forgot another
16:28 jcamins That's kind of an interesting thing to have for "another."
16:28 jcamins But, yes.
16:28 jcamins It's not expected to be nearly as destructive as Sandy, but still.
16:30 oleonard[…]65468464603467776
16:31 jcamins You know, I've wondered about that.
16:33 jcamins I figured it was because New Englanders were sailors, and when setting a course in a sailing ship, one goes "nor-east" and not "north east."
16:35 Shane-S I love how has more "news" in my face then weather...isn't your site called "The Weather Channel"? If I want news I can tune into it!
16:35 jcamins Shane-S: you mean there's any news that isn't weather-related?
16:36 * jcamins appreciated the respite from election news.
16:36 Shane-S jcamins: lol, no no I mean I just want a darn map so I can see this Nor'Easter (northeaster sound like a holiday IMO) since I live in NJ
16:37 jcamins Shane-S: oh, yeah, I couldn't find a map on the weather sites either.
16:37 Shane-S and the graphic on the main page showing be the low pressure with its triangled line doesn't help me like a cloud cover and temp./winds does :P
16:38 Shane-S the map for my zip code is clear...but I missed it, because the All State Ad is larger then the map :)
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16:39 jcamins Well, if you didn't have insurance already, you might want to get some. :P
16:41 Shane-S Nah, I have a Kayak and I live 60 feet above sea level, if I get flooded, Philly is gone, which is where my insurance company is :)
16:42 jcamins You can fit all your servers in a kayak?
16:42 jcamins That must be a big kayak!
16:44 Shane-S HAHA where I work is 1/4 mile off the Delaware River, if we flood, my servers can became aquatic, I am moving :)
16:44 jcamins We do not have a kayak.
16:44 Shane-S I can lend it to you, I can use my waverunner until it runs out of fuel
16:44 jcamins Which will be soon.
16:44 Shane-S yeah, 4 hours max
16:44 chris_n can anyone point me toward a report that returns a subset of items based on a given domain of itemcallnumber?
16:45 jcamins chris_n: we have one on the wiki.
16:45 jcamins sql reports library?
16:45 wahanui sql reports library is probably at[…]L_Reports_Library
16:46 jcamins Of course, the toc is entirely useless at this point.
16:46 Shane-S a MAP! With green dots...and they aren't large or many...where is this nor'easter forming?
16:46 jcamins Shane-S: no idea.
16:47 * jcamins presumes in the north east.
16:49 Shane-S just rain wednesday-thursday, I won't if anti-depressant drug stocks and doctor related visits are up
16:50 jcamins chris_n: I can't find it. Something like: SELECT biblio.title FROM item LEFT JOIN biblio ON item.biblionumber=biblio.biblionumber WHERE item.itemcallnumber BETWEEN <<starting call number>> AND <<ending call number>>?
16:53 chris_n I couldn't find it either, but that works; I'll post it shortly
16:54 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #8: SUCCESS in 42 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.10.x/8/
16:54 jenkins_koha * Paul Poulain: Bug 8490: fix Plack error when creating label layout
16:54 jenkins_koha * Paul Poulain: Bug 8949: Trying to view help on a page without any help results in a nasty error
16:54 jenkins_koha * Paul Poulain: Bug 8842 fix Plack scoping for holidays
16:54 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8490 blocker, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, Pushed to Master , Error when adding label layout under plack
16:54 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8949 normal, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, Pushed to Master , Trying to view help on a page without any help results in a Perl error
16:54 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8842 blocker, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, Pushed to Master , Plack and tools/
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16:57 jcamins Bug 8215. Bug 7067. Bug 7243.
16:57 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8215 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , Add Course Reserves
16:57 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7067 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Passed QA , allow patron self registration via the opac
16:57 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7243 enhancement, P3, ---, srdjan, Passed QA , Do not take rentals as fines
17:01 chris_n jcamins: is BETWEEN inclusive?
17:02 jcamins chris_n: I think so.
17:02 chris_n doh
17:03 * chris_n really should pay more attention
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17:03 * chris_n accidentally spilled his glass of water on his desk-gremlin this morning
17:03 chris_n and you know the rest of the story
17:03 chris_n :)
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17:18 gerundio where in Koha's intranet UI can I set up printers?
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17:19 jcamins At the moment server-side printing is not supported.
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17:19 jcamins You just have to configure the local printer. :(
17:19 gerundio ok
17:19 oleonard I thought someone was working to bring that back?
17:19 jcamins oleonard: someone is.
17:20 jcamins The actual printing code hasn't made it in yet.
17:20 gerundio I got the wrong idea then, my colleague said he had configured that in his Koha setup
17:20 jcamins And it worked?
17:20 jcamins Okay, let me check.
17:20 jcamins I thought it wasn't finished yet.
17:20 gerundio I can't confirm it, he's out in vacation until late this month
17:21 gerundio he left me with a `printers_profile` MySQL dump though
17:21 jcamins Bug 8034
17:21 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8034 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Signed Off , Enable server print queue selection
17:22 jcamins The table exists. It's just that Koha doesn't print things using it.
17:22 gerundio nothing regarding printer's IPs on these records
17:22 gerundio so I don't think it has much use
17:22 jcamins Exactly.
17:22 jcamins Oh, wait!
17:22 jcamins I understand.
17:22 jcamins You're not asking about printing.
17:22 jcamins You're asking about labels.
17:22 jcamins Sorry.
17:23 jcamins Tools -> Label creator
17:26 gerundio you got me right the 1st time
17:26 gerundio I was asking for printers indeed
17:27 gerundio is server-side printing a big thing among Koha's competitors?
17:28 jcamins It would depend on the individual library.
17:29 jcamins Though I will note that in none of the libraries I worked in would that have been a necessary feature.
17:29 jcamins Or probably even a useful one.
17:39 gerundio yeah, I was introduced to it, on a library context, just today
17:39 gerundio no one seemed to be able to explain to me the major advantage of server-side printing
17:43 jcamins The idea makes sense: hook up one printer to one computer, and new circulation workstations don't require printer configuration.
17:43 jcamins But if you want separate receipt printers, it's not so helpful.
17:46 chris_n jcamins: posted:[…]Call_Number_Range
17:46 jcamins Yay!
17:47 jcamins _Now_ there's a report.
17:48 chris_n too bad wahanui can't search the sql reports titles for keywords
17:54 gaetan_B bye
17:58 oleonard You can't tell Koha *not* to issue a refund when a lost item is checked in can you?
17:59 jcamins oleonard: there's a bug for that, I think.
17:59 jcamins Signed off, maybe?
17:59 oleonard Ah yes, Bug 7189
17:59 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7189 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , preference to control if returning lost items gives refund
17:59 oleonard And I signed off on it :P
18:00 * oleonard should have stayed in bed today
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18:04 martian523 hi, i have a question about calendar and holidays
18:05 martian523 i've set up let's say thanksgiving holidays in november
18:05 martian523 however, when users are borrowing books, the due dates are not skipping these two days
18:06 martian523 i've chosen "the calendar to skip all days the library is closed" in system preferences
18:06 martian523 is there something else i'm missing?
18:28 rangi Morning
18:28 wahanui rumour has it Morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast
18:28 martian523 Morning
18:28 jcamins Morning.
18:28 wahanui rumour has it morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast
18:33 martian523 is there someone who can answer my question?
18:36 magnuse kia ora rangi
18:38 rangi What version Martian523?
18:38 martian523 3.8.3
18:39 rangi There was some bugs around holidays do you have a test server you can try 3.8.6 on?
18:39 rangi It has security fixes too
18:39 rangi So is worth the upgrade anyway
18:40 martian523 yes, we have a test server
18:41 rangi I'd try 3.8.6 on there I know a bunch of calendar bugs were fixed
18:41 martian523 thanks
18:44 bag unless you use hourly-loans as far as I know
18:44 bag I've heard there is still a problem with hourly-loans and 3.8.6
18:45 martian523 don't really use hourly loans
18:45 rangi Quite likely
18:45 martian523 but in the mean time we'll just manually change the due dates
18:45 bag then you should be all fine (no pun intended)
18:46 bag morning rangi
18:46 bag err.. should I say rangi who drags peeps around in the rain rangi
18:46 rangi Hehe
18:46 martian523 thanks for the help!
18:52 rangi Not worries
18:52 rangi No even
18:52 rangi My stop brb
19:02 rangi back
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19:07 * rangi reads the rm newsletter
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19:11 mac123 hello
19:11 wahanui salut, mac123
19:11 mac123 i need some help
19:11 mac123 tried to apply patch 5339
19:11 mac123 and got this
19:11 mac123 Bug 5339: ergonomic changes Apply? [yn] y  Applying: Bug 5339: ergonomic changes error: acqui/ does not exist in index error: koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/​en/modules/acqui/ does not exist in index error: patch failed: koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/e​n/modules/acqui/ error: koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/pro​g/en/modules/acqui/parcel.
19:12 mac123 error: koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog​/en/modules/acqui/ patch does not apply Patch failed at 0001 Bug 5339: ergonomic changes When you have resolved this problem run "git am --resolved". If you would prefer to skip this patch, instead run "git am --skip". To restore the original branch and stop patching run "git am --abort". Patch left in /tmp/Bug-533
19:13 jcamins Why are you trying to apply the patch for bug 5339?
19:13 jcamins If you are using a current version of Koha, the patches for bug 5339 are already applied.
19:14 rangi also, how are you trying to apply it?
19:14 mac123 that's where our big problem is
19:14 mac123 i know
19:14 jcamins If you are not using a current version of Koha, you need to upgrade, not apply patches.
19:14 mac123 we are using an unstable version
19:14 mac123 3.09
19:14 mac123 and we have to use it for a while
19:14 rangi 3.09.x ? whats the x bit?
19:15 rangi look at your about page it will tell you
19:15 mac123
19:15 rangi hmm thats pretty old
19:16 rangi you installed from git right? from the master branch?
19:16 mac123 git bz apply....
19:16 mac123 is that correct?
19:17 rangi yes, if it applies cleanly that will work if not you have to git am -iu3 it
19:17 rangi but if you are running your koha from git
19:17 jcamins That error message means that you applied the first patch incorrectly as well.
19:17 rangi you could just checkout the 3.10.x and be at least a semi stable point .. why are you looked at a really old version?
19:17 jcamins (or they're out of order)
19:18 mac123 apparently this is the version that's being using by my library
19:18 jcamins There are a *ton* of patches for that bug.
19:18 mac123 it has something to do with the hourly loans
19:18 jcamins Tell your library to upgrade.
19:18 rangi yeah, seriously
19:18 rangi there are over 200 patches
19:19 rangi between 013
19:19 jcamins rangi: wow, that was really fast.
19:19 rangi adn now
19:19 rangi hmm?
19:19 jcamins Finding that number.
19:19 mac123 what about the hourly loans?
19:19 jcamins What about them?
19:19 mac123 from what i understand, this is one of the issues why we are not changing yet
19:19 rangi hmm
19:19 mac123 LDAP and hourly loans
19:20 jcamins You'd have to explain what the issue is.
19:20 rangi changing to what? yeah
19:20 mac123 to a stable version
19:21 rangi right
19:21 rangi so all the patches you are trying to apply, have already been applied and will be in the 3.10.0 release
19:22 rangi so you could spend a bunch of time making your life hard
19:22 rangi trying to apply patches
19:22 rangi or you could upgrade to the 3.10.x branch (on a test server first of course)
19:22 mac123 i totally understand
19:22 jcamins What you should do is set up a test server tracking 3.10.x and find out if the "issues" with hourly loans have been resolved.
19:22 mac123 and probably that's what i'll have to do
19:23 mac123 thank you so much
19:23 rangi no worries
19:23 rangi good luck
19:23 * jcamins suspects that "issues" may be a code word for "we don't remember anymore." That's what it usually is.
19:23 mac123 :)
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19:24 rangi hey wizzyrea
19:24 wahanui wizzyrea is, like, a Cylon, and they all have plans
19:24 rangi enjoy the fireworks?
19:28 wizzyrea what we saw of them, yes - quite impressive
19:29 bag heya wizzyrea
19:29 wahanui wizzyrea is a Cylon, and they all have plans.
19:29 wizzyrea hello :)
19:30 cait hi wizzyrea
19:30 cait hi rangi, bag and wahanui too :)
19:33 wizzyrea hi cait :)
19:40 rangi hmm i think most of Elaine's list issues are underway being fixed?
19:41 oleonard wizzyrea: I was feeling like complaining about Daylight Savings Time messing with my kids' sleep schedules and then I remembered yours is dealing with the mother of all time changes.
19:42 rangi and some crazy guy dragging him through rain, then museums
19:42 cait hehe
19:43 wizzyrea hehe no spud is actually doing well
19:43 wizzyrea i mean, more or less - he's not used to all the walking
19:43 oleonard rangi: I'm pretty sure that's a perk
19:43 wizzyrea so he conks out at the drop of a hat
19:44 oleonard Sweet.
19:44 oleonard :)
19:44 jcamins cait: which e-mail address do you use in Bugzilla?
19:45 bag yeah rangi is famous for dragging people through rain after long flights
19:45 cait the katrin...  one
19:45 rangi hehe
19:45 cait why are you asking?
19:45 wizzyrea well rangi keeps going on about how wet and cold it was - but I didn't think it was much worse than a yucky kansas october
19:45 jcamins I am assigning bug 8215 to you for QA once the follow-ups have been signed off on.
19:45 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8215 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, In Discussion , Add Course Reserves
19:45 jcamins You can delegate.
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19:57 rangi wizzyrea: whats on the cards for today, its pretty meh weather
19:57 wizzyrea today - a visit to the central library to get certified copies of passports
19:58 wizzyrea and a trip to jb hifi for a tv, I think.
19:58 rangi heh, gave in
19:58 rangi ?
19:58 rangi check dick smiths too
19:58 wizzyrea well, we have a western digital media center
19:58 rangi its on manners street
19:58 wizzyrea and a zillion movies
19:58 wizzyrea so we don't need cable tv or sattellite
19:58 wizzyrea or netflix, for that matter.
19:59 rangi ah just a nice monitor
20:00 jcamins You have a Manners Street in Wellington?
20:00 jcamins So polite!
20:00 * chris_n stuffs the last gremlin back into the box
20:00 chris_n almost time to go home :-P
20:00 chris_n heya wizzyrea
20:00 wahanui wizzyrea is a Cylon, and they all have plans.
20:00 wizzyrea it's a chris_n sighting!
20:00 wizzyrea hi there!
20:00 chris_n hi rangi
20:01 wizzyrea it really really likes to tell people t hat I'm a cylon.
20:01 chris_n lol
20:01 jcamins wizzyrea: 'bot solidarity. :P
20:01 oleonard Anti-solidarity? wahanui really wants to warn us.
20:02 wizzyrea now i want to watch battlestar galactica.
20:02 wizzyrea thanks guys.
20:02 jcamins I didn't like Battlestar Galactica.
20:03 oleonard I didn't like Lost.
20:03 jcamins I never saw any.
20:04 wizzyrea I liked lost until about season 3.
20:04 wizzyrea and I thought bsg was ok until the last season
20:04 oleonard I tried a few episodes of Lost and couldn't get into it.
20:04 oleonard I loved BSG though.
20:04 wizzyrea well actually, now thinking about it
20:04 jcamins Of course, the first time I saw an episode of Stargate Atlantis I thought it looked awful but it turned out to be pretty good.
20:05 wizzyrea there was a season, but it wasn't the last, of bsg that was just not good
20:05 wizzyrea the last one was ok, now that I'm thinking about it
20:05 wizzyrea but I watched them as one two week long movie, more or less
20:05 wizzyrea so the seasons all blend together
20:06 oleonard Yeah, that's one of the disadvantages to doing it all in one go.
20:06 * magnuse can't find his little Horowhenua pin
20:06 oleonard On the other hand, the Dr. Who method of showing four episodes then season's over isn't so great either.
20:07 wizzyrea gh yea
20:07 jcamins There are only four episodes per season of Dr. Who?
20:07 wizzyrea well they split them
20:07 wizzyrea 5 episodes, then xmas special
20:07 wizzyrea then 5 or 6 more in the spring
20:08 oleonard You can't all it one season if you have to wait until a new actual season to see the rest of it :P
20:09 ibeardslee damn .. can't find a copy of that Mockers song for jcamins .. Murder on Manners St
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20:32 Manderson Hi everyone - I am trying out Koha on a Redhat installation. Is there any documentation on the differences I might find by using redhat vs debian?
20:33 jcamins Manderson: I don't know of any documentation on successful Redhat installs.
20:33 jcamins I know of lots of people who have failed to get Koha working on Redhat, though.
20:33 Manderson :(
20:33 Manderson that's not a positive thing
20:34 Manderson :P
20:34 jcamins Yeah.
20:34 Manderson Wonder what the deal is
20:34 Manderson ?
20:34 jcamins Red Hat + Zebra = [head exploding smiley]
20:34 jcamins Zebra, mostly.
20:34 Manderson Oooh
20:35 jcamins The actual Koha code works fine, once you get all the dependencies installed (mostly via CPAN).
20:36 jcamins I can tell you how to solve the first Zebra issue  you'll encounter: the Zebra binary files' paths are hardcoded into a bunch of files in /etc/koha/zebradb.
20:36 jcamins You can just adjust the paths to match the strange places Red Hat sticks things.
20:36 jcamins But Zebra still won't work after doing that, and I have no idea why.
20:37 Manderson But if I install zebra from source, I should be able to configure it for where koha is expecting it to be?
20:37 jcamins Oh, one additional point: you need Perl 5.10+
20:37 Manderson I've got 5.10.1
20:37 jcamins Then you're fine.
20:37 jcamins That's the same version I used up until last month.
20:38 jcamins I think the issue is that Red Hat doesn't use /usr... or something like that.
20:39 Manderson Hmmm
20:39 jcamins But in terms of paths, that's easy to fix.
20:39 jcamins I can walk you through that step.
20:39 jcamins It's the fact that Zebra crashes even when the configuration file works that gets in the way of a functioning system.
20:40 Manderson oh
20:40 jcamins I don't know if anyone has compiled Zebra from source, though.
20:40 Manderson I am going to monkey with it for a few...
20:53 * oleonard growls at the self checkout code again
20:54 * cait sends oleonard cookies
20:55 cait late shift at the library?
20:55 oleonard No, Daylight Savings Time
21:00 cait ah :)
21:07 Manderson What is the default installation directory for zebra on Debian?
21:08 jcamins Ummm...
21:08 jcamins /usr/*
21:08 jcamins I think.
21:08 jcamins Let me check.
21:09 eythian hi
21:10 jcamins Yeah. In /usr, mostly /usr/share/idzebra-2.0 (with libraries in /usr/lib and /usr/bin, of course.
21:10 cait hi eythian :)
21:10 eythian hello
21:10 Manderson I'm thinking I'll try /data0/zebra-2x and linking everything into the standard directories.
21:10 * eythian points to the magic of dpkg -L for figuring out where things go
21:11 Manderson eythian: I am taking a crack at getting koha working on a redhat server.
21:11 eythian ah right
21:11 eythian good luck, bon voyage!
21:11 jcamins eythian: oh, I didn't know about that one.
21:11 jcamins I used apt-file show idzebra-2.0
21:12 eythian that'd also work
21:12 Manderson eythian: hahaha! Thanks
21:15 rangi @marc 110
21:15 huginn rangi: A corporate name used as a main entry in a bibliographic record. [a,b,c,d,e,f,g,k,l,n,p,t,u,4,6,8]
21:16 rangi @marc 111
21:16 huginn rangi: A meeting name used as a main entry in a bibliographic record. [a,c,d,e,f,g,j,k,l,n,p,q,t,u,4,6,8]
21:16 jcamins Uh-oh.
21:16 cait jcamins: uh-oh
21:16 rangi @marc 710
21:16 huginn rangi: An added entry in which the entry element is a corporate name. (Repeatable) [a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,k,l,m,n,o,p,r,s,t,u,x,3,4,5,6,8]
21:17 jcamins Never a good sign when rangi starts looking up authority-controlled MARC fields.
21:17 cait exactly m ythought
21:17 cait wonder what he is up to
21:19 eythian actually, it's my fault
21:20 eythian got a library that's been using some unusal standards
21:21 cait don#t we all have those?
21:22 eythian well, first of all they wanted all authors in 7xx, which I said was a bad idea. Now they want them all in 1xx, which I'm about to say is also a bad idea.
21:22 cait yeah
21:22 cait it's not repeatable
21:23 jcamins Right, see what they did is stuck with the AACR1 rules.
21:23 cait ?
21:23 jcamins cait: for main entry coding.
21:24 cait confused
21:24 wahanui confused is "Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
21:24 eythian that'll explain why they're talking about main entry a lot then
21:24 jcamins What you have to do is move the *first* 700/710/711 field to the corresponding 1xx field, except...
21:24 eythian and how they use titles rather than authors for it.
21:25 jcamins for fields with ind2=2 and 700[ind1=3]
21:25 jcamins Unless there's already a 1xx, obviously.
21:25 jcamins On records where you move that, you'll also have to change 245ind1 to '1'
21:26 jcamins Then you'll want to change the default search on the OPAC and staff client to be by title, and hide under a desk until the project is over. :P
21:26 cait lol
21:27 eythian what does the default search have to do with anything?
21:27 jcamins Oh, that's so they don't complain the books are out of order.
21:27 jcamins That's how you get away with hiding under your desk. :P
21:28 eythian Oh, so the default search ordering?
21:28 jcamins Right.
21:29 jcamins That's less a cataloging thing and more an "I bet I know what catalogers who use AACR1 are going to do if presented with relevance ranking."
21:29 bag stats?
21:29 wahanui stats are good
21:29 bag stats website?
21:30 jcamins bag: IRC stats or signoff stats?
21:30 bag ircstats?
21:30 cait irc logs?
21:30 wahanui irc logs are
21:30 bag irc stats?
21:30 bag nope not logs  stats
21:30 eythian is is possible to change the default sort ordering as a syspref, or is it a template change?
21:30 jcamins Replace irclog with ircstats, I think.
21:31 rangi
21:31 jcamins eythian: there's a syspref. It was just patched.
21:31 rangi about a month old
21:31 eythian so probably not in 3.8 yet?
21:31 bag hmm jcamins is close to passing kados - I wonder what that means ;)
21:32 bag oh but no worries wizzyrea is right behind
21:32 eythian > Is huginn stupid or just asking too many questions? 52.2% lines contained a question!
21:32 bag and cait has already passed :)
21:32 eythian despite being split as kf and cait :)
21:33 cait i think someone taught the irc logs about my double identities
21:33 eythian ah right
21:33 * cait looks in rangi's direction
21:33 jcamins bag: "close to passing kados" is relative... I have to say 20% more than I already have.
21:33 cait and we all know I talk too much :)
21:34 bag yeah I thd takes the prize for saying the most per line…  That wins - cause we could break that up and destory rangi
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21:44 rangi stats updated
21:45 rangi soon cait will knock kados out of the 0-5 spot
21:45 cait lol
21:45 cait quite soon
21:45 cait so soon
21:45 cait soso soon
21:45 cait did I say soon yet?
21:45 * cait tries to hurry things up a bit
21:46 rangi now doesnt count
21:46 jcamins @karma
21:46 rangi its not 0-5
21:46 huginn jcamins: Highest karma: "rangi" (681), "oleonard" (581), and "jcamins" (432).  Lowest karma: "<!" (-111), "failed" (-94), and "-" (-66).  You (jcamins) are ranked 3 out of 2278.
21:46 rangi :)
21:47 bag cait soon?
21:47 cait rangi: darn.
21:47 bag @karma brendan
21:47 huginn bag: Karma for "brendan" has been increased 28 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 28.
21:47 bag noice
21:47 rangi karma for bag
21:47 wahanui bag has karma of 3
21:48 rangi @karma bag
21:48 huginn rangi: Karma for "bag" has been increased 3 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 3.
21:48 cait @karma cait
21:48 huginn cait: Karma for "cait" has been increased 330 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 329.
21:48 bag @karma druthb
21:48 huginn bag: Karma for "druthb" has been increased 149 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 148.
21:48 bag @karma nengard
21:48 huginn bag: Karma for "nengard" has been increased 230 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 229.
21:48 bag @karma melia
21:48 huginn bag: Karma for "melia" has been increased 5 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 5.
21:48 bag @karma libsysguy
21:48 huginn bag: Karma for "libsysguy" has been increased 29 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 29.
21:48 rangi @karma chris
21:48 huginn rangi: Karma for "chris" has been increased 0 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 0.
21:49 rangi what!
21:49 rangi :)
21:49 bag chris++
21:49 bag @karma chrisc
21:49 huginn bag: chrisc has neutral karma.
21:49 rangi naw, gmcharlt shifted it all
21:49 rangi gmcharlt++
21:50 bag @karma liblime
21:50 huginn bag: Karma for "liblime" has been increased 0 times and decreased 13 times for a total karma of -13.
21:50 bag @karma windows
21:50 huginn bag: Karma for "windows" has been increased 1 time and decreased 20 times for a total karma of -19.
21:50 rangi windows--
21:50 rangi ie8--
21:50 bag oh surprising - heh
21:50 rangi ie7--
21:51 rangi ie--
21:51 rangi anything_apple--
21:51 rangi while im in the mood )
21:51 rangi :)
21:51 bag well the hardware for apple isn't --
21:51 rangi its heading that way
21:51 bag software I could agree with
21:52 bag right - well pre jobs
21:52 rangi wtf just put a micro usb on it you dicks!
21:52 rangi :)
21:52 * rangi goes to get coffee
21:52 bag yeah get a real coffee
21:52 gmcharlt coffee, micro usb != goes well together
21:52 bag gmcharlt: you haven't tried it yet have you?
21:55 gmcharlt bag: fortunately, no, I'm relating emperical personal observation ;)
21:55 gmcharlt rather, I'm *not* relating
21:56 bag heh
21:56 gmcharlt which of course means, Murphy being Murphy, that I'm probably now due to drop one of my thumb drives in my coffee this week
21:56 bag I recommend the espresso by the beaker instead
21:57 Manderson can someone run a 'ldd /usr/local/lib/perl5/auto/Net/Z3950/ZOOM/' and tell me where resides?
21:58 rangi bag:[…]1102-01/?navid=61 i have one of these for the bus
21:58 bag @seen sekjal
21:58 huginn bag: sekjal was last seen in #koha 2 weeks, 3 days, 6 hours, 2 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: <sekjal> this is one of the first times I've listened to music at work… that's definitey something I miss from my home office days
21:58 bag nice!
21:58 Manderson nvm
21:58 Manderson I found it
21:59 jcamins => /usr/lib/
22:00 Manderson thanks jcamins
22:00 Manderson I had a
22:01 Manderson I am in perl dependency heaven...or hell
22:13 wizzyrea joined #koha
22:15 rangi wb wizzyrea
22:15 rangi been to town already?
22:15 wizzyrea tyty
22:16 wizzyrea no, not quite yet - that was just "getting things done"
22:16 rangi :)
22:33 libsysguy joined #koha
22:43 rangi hmm bug 7310
22:43 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7310 enhancement, P3, ---,, ASSIGNED , Improving permissions on lists (virtual shelves)
22:43 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7310] Improving permissions on lists (virtual shelves) <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7310>
22:44 rangi that has pretty much busted a useful piece of functionality afaict
22:44 rangi anyone who has a sec
22:44 rangi when you edit a list
22:45 rangi does it look like this
22:45 rangi[…]hment.cgi?id=8519
22:45 rangi because i dont get those sharing options
22:46 jcamins Yes.
22:46 rangi hmm
22:46 jcamins It looks exactly like that.
22:46 rangi interesting
22:46 wahanui interesting is, like, sometimes good and sometimes bad
22:46 rangi well thats good at leats
22:46 jcamins Well, modulo CSS changes.
22:46 rangi least
22:51 rangi thanks jcamins
22:55 rangi thats in master eh?
22:55 jcamins Yup.
22:56 rangi i think it might be busted in 3.8.x just checking more
22:59 rangi ah ha
22:59 rangi 3.8.x is missing 7805
22:59 jcamins bug 7805
22:59 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7805 enhancement, P5 - low, ---,, Pushed to Master , Exposing the new list permissions in opac and staff
23:00 rangi without it, 7310 effectively kills open lists
23:00 jcamins I didn't think bug 7310 went into 3.8?
23:00 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7310 enhancement, P3, ---,, RESOLVED FIXED, Improving permissions on lists (virtual shelves)
23:00 rangi it sure seems to have
23:00 rangi pushed to master pre 3.8.0
23:01 rangi yep
23:01 * jcamins has a vague recollection of having objected to this, actually.
23:01 rangi in march
23:01 cait hmmm
23:01 rangi so yeah 3.8.x really needs 7805 too, for it to be useful as it stands it just lost a feature
23:01 cait wanted
23:01 rangi and gained nothing
23:02 jcamins Wasn't this one of the "security fixes" that I felt was a huge step back?
23:02 cait some nice facts about international use of koha?
23:02 jcamins Kind of like the "no cart e-mails" feature.
23:02 rangi could be, but at least i have solved the mysery
23:02 rangi yeah
23:02 jcamins *"feature"
23:04 rangi that almost did my head in
23:04 rangi glad i figured out what it was
23:05 rangi cait: how about this morning some nzers got cataloguing help from a new yorker
23:05 cait oh that is a good one
23:05 cait we need a cat too
23:05 cait don't know why, but cats are always good
23:06 rangi the scoreboard?
23:07 rangi about 15 differetn nationalities
23:07 rangi saving 252 kittens
23:07 rangi in 3 days
23:10 cait hm not my part
23:10 cait I need some nice numbers connected to international koha use
23:12 rangi hmm?
23:12 rangi just make some up
23:12 rangi no one can prove you wrong
23:12 jcamins lol
23:12 libsysguy heh
23:13 libsysguy true
23:13 jcamins Number of different countries represented on the mailing list in the last week?
23:13 libsysguy 95% of all statistics are made up on the spot
23:13 jcamins Or month?
23:13 wahanui month is more than enough time.
23:14 cait hehe
23:14 cait ok, I am open for suggestions then :)
23:15 rangi ppl from 77 countries visited in november so far
23:15 rangi 126 in october
23:15 JesseM joined #koha
23:15 rangi 12169 visits
23:16 rangi 236 visitors from germany
23:16 rangi (10th in the list)
23:16 cait oh
23:16 rangi nz is 11th
23:16 cait cool
23:16 rangi top 5
23:17 rangi US, UK, Spain, India, France
23:17 rangi firefox, chrome, then a long way back to ie, then safari then opera
23:19 cait :)
23:19 cait what about finished translations? hm. *checks release notes*
23:22 cait hm
23:23 libsysguy actually this has about 30 mins left
23:23 libsysguy so im going to let it chug
23:23 libsysguy ill email you if you're not still around when I get back
23:23 libsysguy oops wrong window
23:23 jcamins libsysguy: wrong window.
23:23 libsysguy heh got it
23:24 libsysguy k thx bye
23:25 jcamins lol
23:33 cait rangi++ thx for the looking up website stats
23:34 rangi no worries

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