IRC log for #koha, 2012-10-29

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00:10 tcohen eythian, do u have a way to reproduce the problem that made bug 8773 fail qa?
00:10 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8773 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Failed QA , Add per-instance koha-index-daemon in .deb setup
00:10 tcohen otherwise I think it should be left as signed off
00:13 tcohen (or needs sign-off, if the disabling followup needs to be signed)
00:28 eythian @later tell tcohen I just set up an instance, ran koha-start-indexer, and it didn't work.
00:28 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded.
00:41 rangi[…]n-on-Somes-Island
00:41 rangi best fun run ever!
00:42 rangi photo 6 is my favourite
00:45 wizzyrea joined #koha
00:45 * wizzyrea waves
00:45 rangi hey look its nz wizzyrea !
00:45 wizzyrea :D
00:45 eythian so the internet worked then? :)
00:46 * wizzyrea thanks eythian for the wifi access :)
00:46 kathryn hello wizzyrea! :D
00:46 wizzyrea indeed!
00:46 wizzyrea hiyas!
00:46 wizzyrea big hugs all around
00:46 rangi tired?
00:46 kathryn real hug soon!
00:47 eythian you should come out for lunch or something one of these days when you've recovered a bit more.
00:48 wizzyrea hmm... i'm considering the tired question
00:48 wizzyrea while it is true that I didn't sleep much on the plane, I don't feel especially tired.
00:48 kathryn wired?
00:48 rangi thats good if you can stay awake til night you will feel better tomorrow
00:48 eythian wait til either 6pm when you fall asleep, or 3am when you are still awake :)
00:48 rangi heh eyeah
00:48 wizzyrea hm, no, not especially wired
00:50 rangi doing all your emails to let ppl know you arrived safe and sound?
00:51 eythian oh, the weather is supposed to be good this week too, so good timing.
00:51 wizzyrea oh yes
00:51 wizzyrea skyping thatch's mom now
00:51 rangi :)
00:52 rangi how's soren? survive the trip ok?
00:52 wizzyrea oh yea
00:52 wizzyrea he slept about 8 of the 12 hours
00:52 rangi ohh perfect
00:52 wizzyrea about 6 of it on my lap
00:52 wizzyrea lulz.
00:53 kathryn sounds like he had a great trip!
00:53 wizzyrea oh yea - it was kind of epic
00:53 rangi don asks if you want to crew a catalyst yacht for sailing races
00:53 wizzyrea !
00:53 eythian he's been trying to recruit everyone for that
00:53 rangi (well he asked everyone)
00:53 wizzyrea I would need some training on that
00:53 wizzyrea lol.
00:53 rangi To do this we need a crew of between 3 and 7 people each week. You don't
00:53 rangi need sailing experience. We will rotate crews over the weeks so that
00:53 rangi hopefully everyone who wants to gets a sail.
00:53 wizzyrea lol!
00:54 wizzyrea well I'll try anything once
00:54 eythian it actually sounds like an interesting idea
00:54 ibeardslee hmm he hasn't asked me
00:54 wizzyrea the trip itself was pretty epic
00:54 rangi ibeardslee: check your emails
00:54 eythian ibeardslee: yeah, well. umm, I don't know how to break this to you...
00:54 ibeardslee oh there we go
00:54 wizzyrea we landed in denver had a 30 minute layover, pretty much just enough to get to the gate and get on the next plane
00:54 rangi ahh thats a tight layover
00:55 wizzyrea had about an hour in LA - that was just about too close
00:55 kathryn eek
00:55 NateC left #koha
00:55 wizzyrea we waited for 15 then got on the plane
00:55 wizzyrea had 2 hours in auckland, that was nice
00:55 ibeardslee oh bother, Wednesdays is when I hit people
00:55 wizzyrea customs and bioseurity was really fast
00:55 rangi excellent :)
00:56 wizzyrea all of our bags made it, and only one casualty
00:56 wizzyrea soren's small sonic screwdriver
00:56 rangi oh?
00:56 rangi oh no
00:56 rangi was in the carryon?
00:56 wizzyrea but the big one made it :)
00:56 wizzyrea no, actually
00:56 rangi good :)
00:56 wizzyrea it was broken in a checked bag, that was inside another suitcase.
00:56 wizzyrea no idea how that happened.
00:56 rangi yeah that is odd
00:57 rangi didnt have a TSA sticker inside?
00:57 wizzyrea hmm no
00:57 rangi they usually leave a note if they open it
00:57 wizzyrea i am CERTAIN that at least one of the bags was inspected
00:58 rangi id blame them then :)
00:58 wizzyrea hehe
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01:05 * jcamins_away waves to wizzyrea.
01:06 wizzyrea hey jcamins!
01:06 wahanui jcamins is, like, brilliant
01:06 wizzyrea why aren't you in bed? :D
01:06 rangi hurricane blew it downt the street?
01:07 eythian ibeardslee: Wednesdays is when I stab people, same problem.
01:11 cjh wizzyrea: welcome to nz!
01:12 jcamins_away wizzyrea: it's only 9pm.
01:13 ibeardslee eythian: I'm going to try and get one of my black belts to take a class for me so I can have a go
01:13 * ibeardslee will be quiet about Captain Bligh and my family tree
01:14 rangi heh
01:24 eythian wizzyrea: useful things to know, if you need simple things there's a dairy about 7 mins walk away (head towards Newtown, you'll see it) and a supermarket in Newtown proper which is probably 15 minutes or so. Go to newtown, walk left. It's called New World and has big signs etc.
01:25 rangi i think kathryn's parents took them there on the way from the airport
01:25 eythian there is a bus artery as soon as you get to the main street, which is very easy to get in to town with.
01:25 eythian ah right
01:26 * tcohen is going to sleep, Fringe episode first, and waves #koha
01:26 rangi cya tcohen
01:27 cjh o/
01:27 kathryn yeah, they've been to a supermarket, not sure which :)
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02:09 wizzyrea we went to... gah I can't remember the place but it wasn't a new world
02:09 wizzyrea it was yellow
02:10 rangi pak n slave?
02:10 cjh heh
02:10 rangi in kilbirnie
02:10 wizzyrea that must have been it ^.^
02:10 wizzyrea I dig this house though.
02:11 wizzyrea what is the best place to get things such as clothes hangers
02:11 cjh warehouse maybe?
02:13 rangi hmm yeah, you could get them at warehouse, altho in walking distance, the new world will have them
02:13 rangi or the $2 shop which is right next to the new world
02:13 rangi probably has them too
02:14 wizzyrea thanks :)
02:14 cjh $2 is also a really good bet.
02:14 wahanui okay, cjh.
02:14 cjh hahaha
02:14 cjh $2
02:14 rangi $2?
02:14 wahanui $2 is a really good bet.
02:14 cjh heh
02:14 rangi heh
02:14 eythian although the $2 shop ones will probably break as soon as you put a damp jacket on them
02:15 cjh also true
02:15 rangi yup
02:17 * wizzyrea ponders this
02:17 rangi you could get a few from new world
02:18 rangi theyd be ok quality
02:18 rangi on the aisle with all the lightbulbs and stuff
02:18 eythian It's a nice day out there, I'd suggest going wandering up and down Riddiford street to see what shops there are that would be useful.
02:18 rangi *nod*
02:20 rangi if you are up to a walk that is :)
02:20 rangi vitamin d helps fight jet lag
02:21 eythian well, it's all downhill to get there. And once you're there you're committed to getting back.
02:21 rangi heh
02:22 mtj hi peeps, hi wizzyrea
02:22 rangi hey mtj
02:38 rangi oh noes wizzyrea broke your internets
02:38 rangi or maybe she walked downstairs :)
02:44 eythian !!
02:52 jcamins_away Some have expressed concern that the hurricane might impact subway service.
02:52 jcamins_away The subway has been shut down for at least 4 hours.
02:52 jcamins_away I'm going to have to conclude that yes, subway service has been impacted.
02:52 rangi heh
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02:57 rangi wb wizzyrea
02:57 rangi we thought you busted the nz internets already
02:57 eythian jcamins_away: your subway needs some giant subway-sized rubber stoppers
02:57 eythian (London has that sort of thing)
02:58 eythian[…]till-sealed-shut/ <-- also this sort of thing.
02:58 jcamins_away eythian: our subway is half-flooded when it isn't raining at all.
02:58 eythian that sounds impractical.
02:59 eythian unless it's the submarineway I guess
03:03 wizzyrea lol naw
03:17 jcamins_away eythian: that's fascinating.
03:17 eythian it really is
03:17 eythian I have a bunch of his other posts opened for reading too.
03:17 eythian I think I'll just have to add him to my rss reader.
03:18 jcamins_away Did you see the map of the NYC subway system as it was designed?
03:18 eythian nope
03:18 jcamins_away I'll find it for you.
03:20 jcamins_away
03:22 * jcamins_away really regrets they didn't do the E76th St connection.
03:25 jcamins_away Whoah. There used to be two B trains and two R trains in NYC.
03:25 eythian London has some great ones, also where the tube goes above-ground there're often fake house frontages that it goes behind, you wouldn't notice them if you weren't looking.
03:26 rangi
03:26 rangi wooooo
03:27 jcamins_away A bit breezy here.
03:27 eythian that doesn't actually look all that windy
03:27 eythian top speed of 36mph
03:28 eythian that's only 58kph
03:28 jcamins_away Oh, I didn't see the numbers.
03:29 jcamins_away I was looking at the animation.
03:29 eythian I mean, I wouldn't go biking in that, but walking would be OK
03:31 jcamins_away It's the rain that will keep me from going out.
03:31 * jcamins_away heard it's supposed to rain.
03:31 * jcamins_away heads to bed.
03:31 jcamins_away Night.
03:31 rangi heh
03:31 eythian yeah, the rain is a showstopper often
03:31 eythian later
03:43 rangi right, home time for me, ill wave at newtown as i go past wizzyrea
03:45 wizzyrea lol cool
03:46 eythian I won't be going home for a while yet, but how about I put on some really loud music at 11pm?
03:47 eythian (disclaimer: I don't think my speakers can do "really loud")
03:47 wizzyrea sure, go ahead ;)
03:55 rangi Oh I remember what I was gonna say
03:55 rangi If you can't be bothered cooking
03:56 rangi Mediterranean food warehouse does wood fired pizzza
04:00 eythian oh yeah
04:00 eythian they're also good for food.
04:00 eythian like, grocery type stuff.
04:00 eythian I need to go there at some stage, I've been missing that kind of stuff since France.
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04:23 eythian So we support using 'and' and 'or' in the basic OPAC search?
04:23 eythian it seems to be working for me, anyway, but I had it in my head that Koha didn't.
04:25 mtj if you go to med-food after 5:30 its mostly half-price too
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05:12 * Oak waves
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06:45 magnuse Oak
06:47 * magnuse waves at #koha in general
06:54 magnuse @wunder boo
06:54 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 0.0°C (7:20 AM CET on October 29, 2012). Conditions: Snow Showers. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Steady).
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07:02 magnuse kia ora cait
07:02 cait kia ora magnuse :)
07:03 magnuse early for a holiday?
07:05 magnuse rangi++ for these stats:[…]for-2012-to-date/
07:10 magnuse w00t for wizzyrea and trea and spud arriving safely!
07:17 cait yep :)
07:21 magnuse huh, the philipines are actively installing 2.2.9 on fedora?
07:22 cait yes
07:22 eythian_ yeah.
07:23 magnuse wow
07:23 cait i thought they were using windows... now it makes less sense than before
07:23 magnuse yup
07:23 magnuse i thought the same thing
07:28 magnuse hey eythian_ are you and wizzy neighbours now?
07:28 eythian_ yep
07:28 cait :)
07:28 magnuse how cool is that!
07:28 eythian_ I don't yet, I'll let you know tomorrow ;)
07:29 cait have you seen them today?
07:29 cait ah
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07:36 julian_m hello
07:36 wahanui hola, julian_m
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07:38 reiveune hello
07:38 wahanui bonjour, reiveune
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08:05 lds hello
08:05 rangi hi lds
08:06 lds hi rangi
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08:08 gaetan_B hello
08:08 * cait waves
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08:09 alex_a bonjour
08:09 wahanui bonjour, alex_a
08:09 alex_a wahanui: o/
08:09 wahanui alex_a: huh?
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08:13 cait @wunder Konstanz
08:13 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 1.0°C (9:00 AM CET on October 29, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.10 in 1019 hPa (Rising).
08:15 rangi @wunder nzwn
08:15 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (9:00 PM NZDT on October 29, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising).
08:16 eythian_ I'm glad I came back when I did :)
08:16 cait you missed out on the snow...
08:17 cait well, you also missed out on swimming i nthe lake, so does the season really matter? :)
08:18 eythian_ haha
08:25 * magnuse woke up to winter wonderland today - every branch of every tree coated in a couple of cm snow
08:27 cait we had a bit of snow yesterday
08:27 cait well it snowed a little bit all day, but it's too warm still
08:27 eythian_ there was snow here a week or so ago (by here, I mean down south, and around mountains)
08:28 cait :)
08:30 magnuse huh, isn't this meant to be summer in nz?
08:30 eythian_ no, spring
08:31 eythian_ and there's always a dump of snow in spring.
08:31 magnuse ah
08:31 rangi its not summer until late november
08:31 eythian_ I used to work on a sheep farm in spring (lambing time) and every second year or so we'd get more than a few cm of snow for a week or so
08:31 magnuse ok
08:32 eythian_ often more like 20-30cm
08:32 eythian_ I don't like snow any more
08:32 magnuse wow
08:32 magnuse where was this?
08:33 eythian_ <-- near here
08:34 magnuse ah, that's pretty far south
08:34 rangi did you put your loud music on yet eythian_ ?
08:34 eythian_ no, I'm not home yet. I'm working on my app.
08:34 rangi alexandra gets cold too, and really hot too
08:35 rangi ahh
08:35 magnuse the beer app?
08:35 eythian_ yeah, my parents have a house in alex
08:35 * magnuse wants to see the south island too
08:36 eythian_ I only go there in summer
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08:36 eythian_ where I end up sitting in the low-mid 30's trying to cope :)
08:36 magnuse hehe, probably a good idea :-)
08:36 magnuse 30C?
08:36 eythian_ the hottest temperature on record in NZ, and the lowest are two towns very close to each other
08:36 eythian_ yeah
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08:37 rangi good for growing apricots :)
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08:38 eythian_ yeah, I spent a summer picking cherries in Roxborough (nearby)
08:38 eythian_ it was boring
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08:38 magnuse wow, i would have guessed it didn't get that hot that far south
08:38 magnuse how hot does wellington get in summer?
08:38 eythian_ it's about the most inland in the country, so it's semi-arid
08:38 eythian_ on a _hot_ day, nearly 30
08:39 eythian_ on a typical warm day, ~25ish
08:39 eythian_ but we have a giant ocean being a temperature buffer, and a lot of wind.
08:39 magnuse temperature_buffers++
08:40 eythian_ it's a mixed blessing, on one hand, it doesn't get hot. On the other, it doesn't get cold.
08:40 magnuse sounds perfect :-)
08:40 magnuse we have the same effect from the ocean here in BOO
08:41 rangi[…]tats.aspx#climate
08:41 rangi norway with a touch of greece apparently
08:42 magnuse hehe
08:42 eythian_ I've not been to Greece, but if it's anything like where I was in France, I don't buy it :)
08:42 eythian_ it was consistently hotter there than I've ever had in NZ outside Alex
08:42 magnuse ooh, those are good numbers rangi
08:43 eythian_ that site doesn't show the average wind speed however :)
08:43 magnuse yeah, there is that
08:43 rangi heh
08:43 magnuse and saying something is like norway is very general
08:43 magnuse we have places that get -40 in the winter
08:43 eythian_[…]n/wellington-city <-- click on "windiest" on the right
08:44 rangi 248kmph
08:44 rangi thats the highest gust recorded in wellington
08:44 rangi[…]Wellington-really
08:45 eythian_ The lowest temp recorded here is -25 in Ranfurly, which is about two days bike from Alexandra
08:45 * magnuse has experienced 200+ kmph - in greenland
08:45 rangi that also has a video of some poor lady trying to cross the road on one of our windy days last year
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08:45 magnuse ooh, that's a cool sign, with the letters blowing away :-)
08:46 eythian_ and the highest was 42 in Rangiora, perhaps a couple of hours drive from Ranfurly :)
08:46 * magnuse has experienced -47 - also in greenland
08:48 cait hm I still agree with magnuse - sounds about perfect :)
08:48 eythian_ mental note: don't go to Greenland
08:48 rangi
08:48 cait hehe
08:48 magnuse nah, go to greenalnd in summer!
08:48 rangi the antenna is covering wizzyrea's house!
08:48 magnuse yay
08:50 eythian_ I saw a great ISS pic of Wellington and Malborough sounds the other day
08:51 eythian_ But I can't find it at the moment
08:51 magnuse what's wizzyreas neighbourhood called? karori?
08:52 rangi newtown
08:53 magnuse wadestown - is that where reed lives? :-)
08:53 rangi it was
08:54 rangi he bought a house in ngaio gorge
08:54 eythian_ it's not right there, but it's close
08:54 magnuse thanks eythian_
08:55 magnuse close to the airport then - handy
08:55 eythian_ hmm, I didn't realise quite how close the harbour is. I should try biking that way one day.
08:55 eythian_ yeah
08:56 magnuse looks like an easy walk
08:56 eythian_ there's a hill in the way, but if I do that first, it might not be so bad.
08:56 eythian_ yeah, that's cos it looks flat on google
08:56 magnuse and green stuff all the way up to mount victoria
08:57 magnuse ah yes
08:57 eythian_ yeah, the only thing between their place and the town belt is my place
08:57 rangi you could loop, over to kilbirnie, roseneath and round oriental bay
08:58 eythian_ yeah, that's what I was thinking
08:58 rangi be a nice ride in summer
08:58 eythian_ it's all cycle lanes along there too
08:58 rangi plenty of cafes to stop at too
08:58 eythian_ at least, a lot of it
08:59 eythian_ I once did that on a windy day. Big mistake. Got sea spray blown on me.
08:59 eythian_ (going out towards the airport)
08:59 rangi ah yeah
09:01 eythian_ I stopped at a dairy and the guy there was all "why are you biking now? can't you see it's really windy?"
09:01 eythian_ (it wasn't windy when I started)
09:01 rangi hehe
09:02 cait lol
09:04 eythian_ it's a good 40-50km to bike all the way around, but if you get a nice day, it's well worth it.
09:13 magnuse ooh, a bug reported by someone from " National Library of Poland"?
09:14 rangi yup
09:15 mtj hey folks
09:15 magnuse rangi: do you know if their national library is using it?
09:15 magnuse kia ora mtj
09:15 rangi magnuse: not that i know of, maybe they will be soon, if we answer their questions ;)
09:16 magnuse :-)
09:18 eythian_ hopefully not 2.2.9
09:18 magnuse !
09:19 cait on fedora?
09:20 magnuse :-/
09:21 mtj hey… has anyone spotted some weird 'limit on availibity' searches on Koha recently?
09:21 rangi nope
09:22 cait it doesn't really work I think
09:22 mtj i bumped into this bug on friday, and have done some more testing… its really got me stumped :/
09:22 rangi apart from them actually sort of working with DOM, they have never worked correctly before that
09:22 rangi theyve never worked
09:22 cait rangi: so why did we keep advertising hte feature? :(
09:22 magnuse jcamins_away said something about that on friday, i think
09:22 rangi because they looked like they worked
09:23 rangi and it worked better than most other systems
09:23 magnuse hehe
09:23 cait ew
09:23 rangi but with DOM it actually works right
09:23 cait mtj: jcamins_away basically said it was unfixable
09:23 rangi with grs yes
09:23 cait hm he said there is also a problem with dom
09:23 cait maybe it would require more wokr
09:23 cait I am not sue
09:23 magnuse[…]2-10-26#i_1114069 and onwards
09:23 cait I couldn't follow him really, but it did sound kinda pessimistic
09:24 magnuse "jcamins: It is impossible to make it work with GRS-1, and making it work with DOM will be impractical at least until I've finished the funded parts of the search rewrite."
09:24 magnuse "jcamins: At that point, it will merely be very difficult."
09:24 rangi jcamins is always pessimistic
09:24 rangi thats why he will be a great RM
09:24 cait lol
09:24 magnuse hehe
09:24 mtj ah thanks , i missed his followup
09:26 cait hm just tested it in one of our 3.6.x installations
09:26 mtj some good news , this 'availibilty' bug is very easy to replicate on a fresh db, with 2 bibs/items
09:26 cait it worked... but it removed all records where at least one item was checked out
09:26 cait so also those where there were still items available
09:27 rangi the reality is
09:27 rangi that in a public library
09:27 rangi the availabity is an approximation to reality
09:27 rangi even if it was working perfectly
09:27 rangi in koha
09:27 rangi that doesnt match whats actually on the shelves
09:27 rangi ever
09:27 cait well true
09:27 mtj yep, i agree :)
09:28 cait but by being off from the start it doesn't make things better :P
09:28 rangi thats why no one actually cared enough since zebra
09:28 rangi it worked fine pre joshua of course
09:28 cait hmpf
09:29 eythian_
09:30 mtj fyi: i do plan to log this bug, im just in the 'research' phase
09:30 cait lol
09:30 rangi its a known issue already
09:31 magnuse eythian_: lol
09:31 rangi without a fix in grs, the best thing to do is get the rewrite done, then it can be fixed
09:31 magnuse but until then? comment it out?
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09:32 rangi could, or could just leave it
09:34 eythian_ whew, integrating to Google cloud messaging so that my server can send messages to apps is hard work. I think I have all but the actual sending wired up.
09:34 magnuse hm, how do we decide what to do?
09:34 rangi or make it easily turned off, because for libraries who have lots of biblios with one item it works fine
09:34 mtj rangi, aaah i just spotted this,  bug 4481
09:34 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4481 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, koha.sekjal, Failed QA , Search's Limit to Available filters out many available items
09:34 rangi yep
09:35 magnuse rangi: excellent idea - a syspref to turn it on or off
09:35 cait or just css
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09:36 Zeki Hi,
09:37 magnuse or jquery :-)
09:37 Zeki I can not important any MARC records by using "Stage MARC records for import"
09:38 rangi i still reckon my patch on 4481 will make it a ton better for marc21
09:38 mtj the weird thing for my bug was, zebra was returning an ERROR on some availibility search strings
09:38 rangi it will
09:38 rangi if the index doesnt exist
09:39 mtj ah, ok - thats great info
09:39 rangi check this out
09:39 Zeki anybody can help me about Stage MARC records for import?
09:39 rangi git show 3daa3143
09:39 rangi thats why my patch on 4481 was attempting to undo
09:40 Zeki my koha version 3.8.6
09:40 mtj Zeki, are your marc records correct?
09:40 Zeki i tried a few sample marc records
09:40 Zeki all result same
09:40 Zeki progress bar not showing anything
09:40 mtj also, koha doesnt import marcxml format from the gui, only from CLI
09:41 Zeki what do you mean?
09:43 mtj i mean… dont attempt to import a marcxml file, from the gui
09:43 Zeki sorry I need close now, I will check tomorrow
09:43 Zeki thanks
09:43 mtj but you have a different problem, to that
09:45 mtj ah, the other thing i did comfirm was -  both grs1 and dom are glitchy with availability stuff, in the same way
09:46 mtj i thought on friday, that DOM was buggy, but GRS1 was working ok
09:46 cait ok, being mean - switching it back to needs signoff
09:46 mtj but, they were both failing in the same way
09:46 cait mtj: maybe document you findings somewhere even if you can't fix? it will give us a better idea about the actual problem
09:48 mtj yep, i might write it up in a seperate bug, and link it to chris' bug
09:48 cait cool
09:53 mtj heres another random Q… should be plan to make the XSLT detail pages default, and remove non-xslt code from koha?
09:53 cait hm
09:53 cait not sure
09:54 cait I always use xslt so I would be not opposed to make it default
09:54 cait but I guessit's a bit slower for big systems maybe? not sure
09:54 mtj the reason is, having to maintain 2 sets is a waste of our time
09:54 mtj pick the best one, and remove the other?
09:55 cait I think that's something for 3.12 and the mailing list
09:55 mtj agreed, i was just curious what y'all thought...
09:56 eythian_ I pretty much always set installations to XSLT too
09:57 mtj me too , but  i just  noticed that the star-ratings stuf doesnt show on xslt
09:57 eythian_ oh, doesn't it?
09:57 eythian_ interesting, I thought it was separate
09:58 * magnuse would not miss the non-xslt display
09:58 cait mtj: hm in my tests it did
09:58 cait show on xslt
09:59 mtj oops, me wrogn
10:00 mtj thats a happy mistake i made :p
10:00 cait I think keeping it around doesn't hurt anyone
10:00 cait most extra features are outside of the xslt anyway, some are only available with xslt, it's like that already
10:03 mtj i can see many good reasons for only having one, not two
10:03 eythian_ I did notice that master allows custom xslt to some degree
10:03 cait eythian: true
10:03 eythian_ ideally there'd be a nice selector with language awareness etc.
10:04 eythian_ but it's a good start
10:04 cait but custom xslt has a number of problems
10:04 cait like any customization you can do
10:04 cait one of the problems is that you have to provide a file for each language
10:05 cait and maintain those
10:06 mtj yow, i hadnt thought of the translating problems with xslt files :/
10:06 cait mtj: only if you have your own files
10:06 cait the standard files are translatable
10:07 cait not sure I am making sense this morning :) and shouldn't you 2 go to bed sometime soon?
10:07 cait so I can finally finish my distance study reading without koha distracting me? :)
10:07 mtj yes and maybe
10:08 eythian_ yes, in fact I'm about to bike home now
10:09 cait bike carefully
10:09 mtj have a good one :)
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12:30 jcamins Good morning, #koha.
12:31 cait good morning jcamins!
12:31 jcamins Good morning.
12:32 drojf hi jcamins. how is the situation & weather?
12:34 jcamins drojf: it's gloomy out, but that's all, so far.
12:35 drojf ok. may it stay that way. i hope you have duct taped everything ;)
12:35 jcamins :)
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12:39 jcamins Jeez.
12:39 jcamins I wouldn't want to be taking shelter at LGA.
12:39 jcamins (officials said anyone stranded at LGA was welcome to wait out the storm)
12:40 jcamins LGA is about four feet above the water.
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12:41 oleonard Hi #koha
12:41 tcohen hi oleonard, good morning #koha!
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12:43 cait hi paul_p
12:44 paul_p hi cait
12:44 * paul_p at a meeting
12:45 cait have fun ;)
12:53 jcamins For those who are concerned, I live one block from the nearest evacuation center, and 3+ blocks from the nearest evacuation zone B.
12:53 oleonard thanks jcamins, glad to hear it
12:54 oleonard How's the weather?
12:54 jcamins oleonard: gloomy.
12:55 jcamins It's raining a bit, and windy, but so far it's still weather that I would drag myself out to work in.
12:56 oleonard @wunder 45701
12:56 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 3.3°C (8:50 AM EDT on October 29, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.87 in 1011 hPa (Falling). Wind Advisory in effect from noon today to 5 PM EDT Tuesday...
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13:27 jwagner @wunder 20740
13:27 huginn jwagner: The current temperature in Hollywood, College Park, Maryland is 10.0°C (9:26 AM EDT on October 29, 2012). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Windchill: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.45 in 997 hPa (Falling). Flood Watch in effect through Tuesday evening...
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14:15 oleonard Hah, I go looking for info on why our Drupal spam-catching module isn't working, find a comment from slef on why CAPTCHAs are bad :)
14:15 * oleonard wonders if slef uses Mollom too
14:53 nengard @wunder 19030
14:53 huginn nengard: The current temperature in Highland Park, Levittown, Pennsylvania is 11.6°C (10:52 AM EDT on October 29, 2012). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.14 in 987 hPa (Steady). Coastal Flood Warning in effect until 4 am EDT Tuesday...
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15:19 chris @wunder 28334
15:19 huginn chris: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 11.0°C (10:55 AM EDT on October 29, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.51 in 999 hPa (Falling).
15:21 jcamins chris_n: how's the weather?
15:21 * chris_n drives in another stake
15:21 chris_n a bit windy
15:22 chris_n rained some last evening, but not much in that way
15:22 chris_n I think it is too far off the coast for us
15:23 jcamins Well, good! May it stay that way.
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15:46 bag @wunder 93109
15:46 huginn bag: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Santa Barbra CA US, Santa Barbara, California is 13.9°C (8:16 AM PDT on October 29, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018 hPa (Rising).
15:46 bag @wunder 06516
15:46 huginn bag: The current temperature in Third Avenue Park, West Haven, Connecticut is 15.4°C (11:45 AM EDT on October 29, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.22 in 990 hPa (Falling). Coastal Flood Warning in effect until 3 PM EDT Tuesday...
15:46 oleonard @wunder 02540
15:46 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in APRSWXNET E. Falmouth MA US, Falmouth, Massachusetts is 16.1°C (11:11 AM EDT on October 29, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.31 in 992 hPa (Steady). Coastal Flood Warning in effect until 1 PM EDT Tuesday...
15:51 chris_n @wunder obx
15:51 huginn chris_n: Error: No such location could be found.
15:52 chris_n @wunder 27960
15:52 huginn chris_n: The current temperature in The Ocracoke Harbor Inn/Silver Lake, Ocracoke, North Carolina is 13.8°C (11:52 AM EDT on October 29, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.35 in 994 hPa (Falling). Tropical Storm Warning in effect...
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16:35 jcamins Now it's a bit stormy.
16:41 rambutan but you're doing OK?
16:41 jcamins Yup.
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16:43 oleonard nengard around?
16:43 nengard sort of
16:43 nengard on a call :)
16:43 nengard We too are hearing heavy rain and wind
16:43 nengard but still have power
16:43 oleonard Just wanted to point out that on tags administration you can now click the tag to see a list of titles tagged with that term. I don't see that in the docs.
16:47 rambutan somehow I retain this idea that nengard is on the WC-Washington state or somewhere
16:57 oleonard Why can't I batch modify patrons' address fields?
16:59 oleonard It would be very useful for converting the city+state data in the city column (from before we had the state column)
17:00 magnuse oleonard: because it would be too easy?
17:01 oleonard Would it help if it required me to do sit-ups before submitting the form?
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17:12 nengard thanks oleonard
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18:25 bag @seen sekjal
18:25 huginn bag: sekjal was last seen in #koha 1 week, 3 days, 2 hours, 29 minutes, and 50 seconds ago: <sekjal> this is one of the first times I've listened to music at work… that's definitey something I miss from my home office days
18:29 rangi Morning
18:29 wahanui i guess Morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast.
18:30 bag morning rangi
18:30 tcohen hi rangio
18:30 bag Giants win the world series - I know you were on the edge of your seat waiting for that news ;)
18:31 rangi Hehe
18:32 rangi @wunder nzwn
18:32 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0°C (7:00 AM NZDT on October 30, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
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18:33 bag rangi they introduced the coolest thing this year at the world series - super slow mo HD of the batters swing
18:33 bag you could watch the bats break and all that - was SO SO cool
18:33 rangi Oh yeah?
18:34 cait morning rangi, hi bag
18:34 rangi That does sound cool
18:34 jcamins bag: are the Giants your local team?
18:35 bag hey rangi did you know I love baseball ;)
18:35 bag the local team here is the Dodgers
18:35 bag dodgers fans hate the giants
18:36 * oleonard consoles bag
18:36 rangi Isn't there another california team too?
18:36 bag I'm a Mets fan
18:37 rangi Anaheim?
18:37 bag three more rangio
18:37 rangi Oakland
18:37 bag Angles of Anahiem, Oakland, and San Diego
18:37 rangi What's the other one?
18:37 wahanui the other one is that the passwords would be created on each individual machine.
18:37 rangi Ahh
18:37 rangi Padres?
18:40 bag yup
18:40 bag Padres are in San Deigo
18:40 * cait doesn't even try... it would only get embarassing :)
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18:41 oleonard Ugh, sets field labels in English in the script?
18:41 cait oleonard: when do they appear?
18:42 oleonard On the edit form
18:42 cait hm you sure?
18:42 oleonard batch patron modification
18:42 cait oh batch
18:42 cait I didn't test that yet :(
18:42 cait but this sounds bad :(
18:42 * oleonard didn't actually realize it was in master already until he spotted it in nengard's documentation patch
18:43 cait shouldn't have passed qa... but now we are feature freeze and it will be messy
18:43 bag rangi: it was a great world series if you're a national league fan - they won with great pitching and playing small ball (well all games except the first one)
18:43 jcamins Batch patron modification?
18:44 jcamins I didn't realize that had been pushed.
18:45 * rangi either
18:45 rangi Bag: which one has the DH?
18:45 jcamins The Met published an entire book on armor for horses.
18:46 jcamins And now it is available online.
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18:46 rangi Hmm kahu will like that
18:47 bag rangi not the national league - so the detriot tigers
18:47 rangi Ahh right
18:48 * oleonard grumbles dramatically
18:49 jcamins "300 years of eighteenth-century costume."
18:49 bag oh yeah rangi - so I'm a Mets fan - do you know what that stands for?
18:49 jcamins I love the modern obsession with centuries.
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18:50 jcamins 200 years of helmets, to go with the book on armor for horses.
18:51 jcamins Firearms, for those who want an advantage over someone wearing a helmet.
18:51 rangi bag: hmmm nope
18:52 bag well the real name is Mets - which stands for Metropolitans
18:52 bag but all true fans say METS My Entire Team Sucks
18:52 rangi ahh right
18:52 rangi hehe
18:59 oleonard Batch patron modification purports to allow you to batch delete categorycode and branchcode from patron records, but the db won't let it (which is good) leaving errors in the log
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19:03 cait oleonard: eew :(
19:03 rambutan does this require a special cataloging field?
19:03 rambutan[…]article-1.1193683
19:03 rangi heh
19:03 rangi rambutan: im sure there are already 7 marc fields for that
19:03 rangi just in case
19:04 cait oleonard: speaking of batch stuff
19:05 cait can you take a look at 8801 maybe? i am not so happy with the idea of killing a feature
19:05 cait bug 8801
19:05 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8801 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Offer to batch delete items of a biblio record
19:05 cait looking for more opinions
19:05 cait especially because the new feature requires different permissions for a much mightier tool
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19:08 oleonard cait: I saw that you raised that issue on the bug report, and I think it's a good point
19:09 cait I don't want to be the only one on this bug - so asking around :) happy if more people comment, even if they disagre
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19:17 rangi https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akam[…]_1843373693_n.jpg
19:17 rangi best halloween costume ever!
19:18 jcamins Wow.
19:20 cait heh
19:23 oleonard Meanwhile that guy's wife has been on baby-duty for an unbroken month while he builds the costume ;)
19:24 oleonard Or vice-versa!
19:24 rangi hehe
19:25 bag Oh Wow - I think the dragon would be great in a costume like that
19:26 rangi ;)
19:26 cait :)
19:26 bag Shes dressing up like a ladybug this year and Sonja and I are going to be flowers
19:26 jcamins Hm. Sounds like the server I connect to IRC through is going to be down a while.
19:26 cait oleonard++ btw :)
19:27 Oak_ oleonard++
19:27 Oak_ cait++
19:27 cait I didn't do anything!
19:27 Oak_ yes you did. and you know it.
19:27 Oak_ magnuse++
19:27 cait bag: sounds cute :) photos? :)
19:27 Oak_ good night.
19:27 cait bye Oak
19:27 cait Oak++
19:27 bag in two more days cait - will do :)
19:27 cait muha.
19:31 oleonard There must be a clever way to do batch patron modification on an arbitrary set of borrowers table columns...
19:35 rangi hm?
19:35 oleonard I'm frustrated by the limited number of fields available to be changed on patron batch modification
19:35 rangi ah right
19:41 talljoy i like that idea too
19:41 talljoy just got a request for it, actually.
19:42 santy HELLO everyone, could someone please explain to me what the marc (longblob) field in the biblioitems table is for?
19:42 talljoy it holds the marc data.
19:42 talljoy raw marc
19:42 wahanui raw marc is well less than that
19:43 jcamins wahanui: forget raw marc
19:43 wahanui jcamins: I forgot raw marc
19:44 santy is the binary marc field used to populate the add marc record form... or just only the marcxml field is used for that?
19:45 jcamins santy: the two fields should always have identical data in them.
19:45 talljoy ^yes
19:45 santy why should both fields always have identical data in them... what happens if not?
19:45 jcamins It depends what you're trying to do.
19:45 talljoy the have identical data because they are the same thing
19:46 jcamins The behavior is entirely undefined.
19:46 rangi different representations of the same thing
19:46 cait and you should not manipulate them
19:46 talljoy they are probably used in different ways and places within koha
19:46 jcamins ^^ exactly
19:47 * rangi wonders what santy is trying to do
19:48 santy ok, as I told you last time, jcamins, I'm currently in a project where some library needs to migrate their whole catalog into Koha.  As you know, their system is a custom one with no export functionality whatsoever... so I have to migrate programmatically... and it works... but I'm having encoding issues.
19:48 jcamins By the time the data is in Koha, it is too late.
19:49 jcamins Uh-oh.
19:49 jcamins Power outages on their way.
19:49 santy Every data gets migrated ok, but just special characters like á, é, ñ etc get screwed
19:49 jcamins santy: that means it's not migrating non-ascii characters correctly.
19:49 rangi santy: fix your leader, before you use to import them
19:50 jcamins If it's in Koha with the wrong encoding, the solution is to reimport.
19:50 * cait uses a lot of duct tape to keep jcamins around
19:51 cait santy: and if you use the stagd marc record scripts make sure the encoding is set to the right choice
19:52 santy it's kind of weird... because when I look at the marcxml field just after the import inside the biblioitems table, these characters appear OK...
19:52 rambutan jcamins: presumably the cat has sufficient rations for the week?
19:53 santy but only when I load the record into the marc editin form in the staff page, the characters don't get loaded...
19:53 jcamins rambutan: yeah.
19:53 jcamins He's a bit traumatized, though.
19:53 jcamins He's squished himself into a little ball in an arm chair, having worn himself out crying earlier.
19:53 rambutan that bad, huh?
19:54 oleonard jcamins: Too much CNN?
19:54 santy I think I need to take a look a the subs which do concatenate the marcxml field, in which script are they?
19:54 jcamins We presume he's responding to pressure changes.
19:54 cait santy: we can't recommend that
19:54 cait santy: it surely is in your data
19:55 rangi 99% its your leader
19:55 jcamins Try rangi's leader suggestion. Based on your description, it's almost certainly leader.
19:55 cait santy: we got german umlauts and hebrew in our databases, and it's working  ok
19:56 jcamins rambutan: it's gusty, and raining pretty hard -- on and off -- but if I didn't know there was a hurricane, I would've said it was just a rain storm.
19:56 jcamins Myshkin, on the other hand, says it's the end of the world.
19:57 santy in the xml leader, I have tried UTF-8, Latin1, ISO-8859-1, CP1250, windows-1252, etc etc... and they DO have an effect, but while the characters appear ok inside mysql, they never appear ok in the form... (well, only if I correct them in the form, save and reload)
19:57 rangi hmm what?
19:58 jcamins santy: MARC leader.
19:58 rangi you can only set the leader to be MARC8 or UTF8
19:59 rangi
20:00 santy ok... should I paste the Marc leader i'm using here?
20:00 jcamins[…]hic/bdleader.html I think.
20:00 rangi oh yeah
20:00 rangi that one :)
20:01 santy oh my God, I think you just solved my problem!
20:03 rangi yep good old gigo
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20:04 * jcamins fills a half dozen containers with water.
20:05 rangi how long before they turn the power off jcamins ?
20:06 cait :(
20:07 jcamins rangi: I'm outside the floodplane, so they haven't announced plans to shut it off preemptively here at home, but they might shut off power in the floodplane within the next hour.
20:08 jcamins Then again, they might not.
20:08 rangi ahh right
20:14 santy ok, thank you all, problem solved, the record length must be exactly 5 characters long in the leader... now the special letters appear all ok, this was a tricky one for me
20:18 oleonard Bye #koha
20:18 rangi cya oleonard
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20:22 jcamins This might be an issue.
20:22 jcamins The wind has turned somewhat, and is blowing with gale force through our air conditioning units.
20:22 rangi eek
20:25 jwagner @wunder 20740
20:25 huginn jwagner: The current temperature in Hollywood, College Park, Maryland is 9.3°C (4:25 PM EDT on October 29, 2012). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 28.95 in 980 hPa (Falling). High Wind Warning in effect until 8 PM EDT Tuesday...
20:27 rambutan @wunder 08401
20:27 huginn rambutan: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
20:27 rambutan what?
20:28 rangi i forgot DC was taht close to the coast
20:28 rambutan 08401 is Atlantic City. Suppose the hurricane done wiped them off the wx map?
20:28 jwagner yep. The worst of the storm is hitting us now, according to the newspeeps.  I'm surprised I still have power....
20:29 rambutan wx channel says Atlantic City area pressure is 940mb. That's pretty low.
20:29 rambutan what city are you in jwagner?
20:29 jwagner College Park, MD (DC suburb)
20:31 rambutan University of Md? That's where I graduated from.
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21:16 tcohen hi jcamins, is there a roadmap for 3.12 on the wiki?
21:16 jcamins tcohen: no.
21:17 tcohen will it be released based on time then?
21:19 tcohen i'm asking because we need to do some work on suspensions
21:19 jcamins Yes.
21:19 jcamins 6mo schedule.
21:19 tcohen and wanted to know if there's a chance we can at least push that subject on a RFC
21:19 jcamins And it'll actually be 6 mo.
21:20 rangi yay !
21:20 tcohen so, that's the time frame we have
21:20 rangi back to our regularly scheduled releases
21:21 tcohen hi rangi
21:21 rangi hi tcohen
21:22 tcohen i think suspensions need to be acknowledged the way fines are
21:22 tcohen have their own table, and be related to actual issues/items
21:22 rangi yep
21:28 tcohen what persistence lib are we using?
21:28 tcohen DBIx::Class?
21:28 jcamins tcohen: we're not.
21:28 jcamins DBIx::Class is the direction we're going, though.
21:28 tcohen libsysguy mentioned his work on that one I think
21:29 cait tcohen: be careful - it's not really 6 months
21:29 cait because of the freezes
21:30 cait make sure you finish in time to get it tested and through qa
21:30 cait the ealrier the better
21:31 eythian hi
21:31 cjh morning
21:31 jcamins Right.
21:32 cait hi eythian and cjh
21:34 tcohen understood cait, thanks
21:34 tcohen hi eythian
21:36 tcohen does anyone know the scope of libsysguy's work on introducing DBIx::Class?
21:36 jcamins @search dbix
21:36 huginn jcamins: There were no matching configuration variables.
21:36 jcamins @query dbix
21:36 huginn jcamins: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5837 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, chris, NEW , Change installer to use DBIx::Class::Schema::Versioned instead of
21:37 huginn jcamins: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8309 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Koha namespace organisation, first implementation
21:37 huginn jcamins: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7365 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, marc, In Discussion , Koha uses MySQL
21:37 huginn jcamins: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8798 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, elliott, Signed Off , Add the use of DBIx::Class
21:37 huginn jcamins: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8215 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , Add Course Reserves
21:37 jcamins Bug 8798
21:37 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8798 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, elliott, Signed Off , Add the use of DBIx::Class
21:37 tcohen thanks
21:38 tcohen so, we have an RFC for 3.12 ;)
21:38 tcohen I mean, an interesting roadmap
21:40 cait tcohen: lots of interesting patches and ideas :) hope a lot of work done on them too :)
21:40 jcamins Damn.
21:40 jcamins First brownout.
21:40 cait ?
21:41 cait oh
21:41 eythian power is totally off to a friend of mine around NY somewhere.
21:41 jcamins cait: it's just a matter of time before the power goes out.
21:41 rangi yep, natec, jessem and i think nengard have all lost power too
21:42 * cait gets out more duct tape
21:42 eythian he's still on IRC however, I'm not sure how.
21:42 jcamins eythian: 3g?
21:43 eythian probably
21:43 eythian I'd be inclined to save battery, but maybe he has a lot to spare.
21:44 tcohen guess
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21:51 tcohen is there any tradeoff on using DBIx::Class regarding things like Plack?
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21:53 madcrow Hello there Koha-philes
21:53 rangi hi madcrow
21:54 jcamins tcohen: it works better under Plack.
21:54 jcamins Acceptably, to my mind, under CGI.
21:54 * jcamins closes everything down.
21:54 jcamins So long, #koha.
21:54 rangi good luck jcamins
21:54 jcamins I'll update druthb every so often.
21:54 rangi cool
21:55 madcrow I'm working on a project to get a local SF club's 15k volume library cataloged and I've got some questions
21:56 jcamins_away Bye.
21:56 jcamins_away If my nick signs off, it means that Brooklyn's under water.
21:56 jcamins_away Or out of power.
21:57 jcamins_away Bye.
21:57 cait bye
21:57 cait good luck!
21:57 madcrow 1st, is Koha overkill for a 15000 volume collection
21:58 tcohen no it isn't madcrow
21:58 rangi depends what you want to do, if you plan to use the features like circulation etc, and you have cataloguers who understand MARC data and other things
21:58 eythian madcrow: no. We have people using it with significantly smaller collections
21:58 rangi no
21:58 cait is it a library with a librarian? do you circulate books between members?
21:58 rangi but if yuo only want a searchable catalogue
21:58 rangi then yes
21:58 cait and what rangi said :)
21:59 madcrow we do circulate and would like to get away from the whole "write the book in the checkout binder" which half our members seem to screw up
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22:00 eythian madcrow: then yes, if you know/don't mind learning MARC, Koha will most likely suit you.
22:02 cait madcrow: but beare... no guarantees they won't screw up circulationg with koha too ;)
22:04 madcrow the koha self-checkout screen looks simple enough that they can handle it
22:04 eythian[…]2/10/original.gif <-- what's going on in the US
22:05 madcrow here in boston, it's not that bad yet...
22:05 eythian at least some parts of boston metro have no power.
22:05 madcrow its been turned off on purpose
22:05 eythian oh ah
22:05 eythian that makes some sense I guess.
22:06 madcrow they want people to stay home...
22:06 eythian On the flip side, it's on of the best days here we've had in a while.
22:06 eythian I guess we're just getting the other side of the average
22:07 ibeardslee yeah sucky day to be inside today
22:07 madcrow well new jersey's the place that's got it real bad
22:07 rangi thats where nengard is
22:08 madcrow yuck
22:08 madcrow anyway, at least i've had some time to research koha
22:11 melia_ nengard says so far, so good. she says the storm has just come on land, but she is north of the eye and so far has just seen some wind and rain but nothing major.
22:11 rangi cool
22:12 cait hope it stays like that
22:12 madcrow sounds good
22:13 madcrow anyway, at the moment i'm also wondering if there's a good list of free z39.59 sources on the net
22:14 cait irspy
22:15 rangi irspy?
22:15 wahanui irspy is a good source for identifying Z39.50 targets. See
22:15 cait ah thx rangi
22:15 madcrow thanks
22:23 madcrow of course the one library i really wanted to query seems to have disabled public z39.50 access...
22:23 cait which one is it?
22:24 madcrow the last 26 connection attempts from irspy for the uc riverside server are fails
22:24 madcrow
22:25 cait hm you could send them an email and ask maybe?
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22:29 eythian
22:32 cait where do you always find links like that?
22:33 eythian The internet
22:33 wahanui the internet is not working here properly... I may disappear
22:35 cait ah ok
22:35 madcrow drat. it would appear that most UC libraries killed Z39.50 access when they moved to worldcat...
22:36 cait sadly.. that probably makes sense :(
22:40 madcrow it looks like free bibliographic data is going away
22:40 cait I am not sure you can say that
22:41 cait and it depends probably on what kind of data you are looking for
22:41 cait a lot of data in germany has been released lately under cc0 even
22:42 madcrow well, i'm thinking mainly of servers providing machine-readable data on demand
22:42 cait there are some free servers too
22:43 cait did you install koha with the example z39.50 servers?
22:45 madcrow yes
22:46 madcrow but those are only a start
22:47 madcrow especially for works with many editions and printings, the built-in sources miss a lot
22:49 cait maybe someone from US can give you some hints
22:49 madcrow possibly
23:03 madcrow anyway, i'm out
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23:06 cait night all
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