IRC log for #koha, 2012-10-11

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00:21 jcamins_away Hm. I will need to adjust to test installing in a chroot, I think.
00:33 jcamins_away We have a bunch of db dependent tests that fail on a fresh install.
00:35 rangi even with all the sample data installed?
00:35 rangi because they are designed to work with a db, with all the sample data
00:36 jcamins_away Yes.
00:37 jcamins_away We have tests that require that you have bibs, and tests that require that you have issues.
00:37 jcamins_away (in the sense of books checked out, not problems;)
00:39 jcamins_away
00:39 jcamins 00-strict is failing because we have utility scripts using odd packages.
00:39 jcamins Such as H:T:P.
00:39 jcamins HoldsQueue seems to require an issue in the database(?).
00:39 jcamins Haven't checked Koha yet.
00:40 jcamins Serials requires a subscription.
00:40 jcamins And VirtualShelves requires a bib.
00:41 jcamins Oh, missing dependency on Koha.
00:43 rangi yeah holdsqueue there is a patch for
00:43 jcamins The issue with the Koha test was A) a missing dependency and B) a bizarre timezone mismatch.
00:43 rangi that only just crept in
00:44 rangi i put a blocker bug in for it
00:44 rangi and yeah we should kill those old utility scripts
00:45 jcamins I think this may be another problem with HoldsQueue.
00:45 rangi ah right
00:45 pastebot "jcamins" at pasted "DBD::mysql::st execute failed:" (2 lines) at
00:45 rangi hm yep looks like it
00:46 rangi passing on jenkins tho, but there are some issue rows there
00:46 rangi the other bug is a package blocker, you cant currently package master
00:48 jcamins Yeah, I noticed that.
00:48 jcamins I wandered off down this path when my attempt to build a package died dramatically.
00:48 rangi yep
00:48 jcamins Figured I might as well fix the problems.
00:48 rangi i get emailed by launchpad every day, 3 times, as it fails to build for natty, oneiric, and precise
00:50 jcamins Argh! Nooooo!!!!
00:50 jcamins nano came up instead of vim!
00:50 rangi heh
00:52 jcamins Problem 1 patched.
00:53 rangi did i show you this?
00:53 rangi
00:53 jcamins What does it do?
00:54 rangi when jenkins fails
00:54 rangi i can run ./start
00:54 rangi and it builds, bisecting and testing until it finds the commit that broke the build
00:54 jcamins Oooh.
00:54 jcamins Cool!
00:55 rangi yup, so far its just doing make test, but ill extend it
00:55 rangi for now tho, that is pretty handy
00:59 pastebot "jcamins" at pasted "Test::Strict failures" (69 lines) at
01:00 rangi yeah, i vote we move them to a deprecated dir, or just git rm them
01:01 rangi specially the zebraqueue_daemon
01:01 jcamins Well, zebraqueue_daemon can just be killed.
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01:55 jcamins_away Hm. There's already a patch for zebraqueue_daemon.
01:55 jcamins_away bug 8519
01:55 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8519 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Make koha-index-daemon run on startup
01:55 rangi ahh just awaiting qa
02:06 jcamins Hm.
02:06 jcamins Need to do 3.6.x.
02:07 jcamins At this point I don't really see much point in 3.6-testing.
02:07 jcamins There are so few relevant patches now.
02:09 rangi yeah
02:13 jenkins_koha Starting build #199 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
02:16 jcamins It seems to me that pbuilder should provide all the tools necessary for testing Koha installs in a chroot.
02:16 jcamins I mean, pbuilder+all my tools for testing Koha installs.
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02:27 jcamins Woohoo! Successfully built packages for 3.6.9 on the new test server.
02:27 rangi sweet'
02:27 user110 cool
02:50 user110 sleep
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02:52 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #199: SUCCESS in 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/199/
02:52 jenkins_koha robin: Bug 8806 - [3.8.x] Changelog updates, dependencies
02:52 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8806 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Debian packaging updates
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03:28 * Oak waves
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03:53 mib_uv3cxf hi
04:02 eythian bye
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04:19 * cait waves
04:34 * wajasu ok i got my 3.0 running against pre-3.10 master.   i had about 15000 biblios, and deleted the machine genrated authority records.
04:34 wajasu i have AutoAddAuthorities and allow...  and i ran link_bibs_to_authorities.
04:35 wajasu rebuilt the zebra index between the steps.
04:35 wajasu now i am testing the RLIN based links
04:35 wajasu so i am hoping i can go with that instead of the subject tracings.
04:36 wajasu i have about 50000 authority records generated now.
04:37 wajasu clikcing on subject headings gives me 2 links at most, but will investigate if it should be more for some subjects.
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04:39 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
04:39 mtompset cait: Are you here?
04:40 wajasu i do have an issue.  when i search for Hans Kung, i select the incarnation of God, and pull up the MARC view in the staff client.  i select tab 2, and the uniform title has a name as alink.
04:40 wajasu the link always seems to be wrong.
04:41 wajasu the link is of the format:[…]hwerdung%20Gottes.
04:41 wajasu which always give an error page.
04:41 cait not really :)
04:41 cait too early still
04:42 wajasu no pizza left?
04:42 cait wajasu: hmm
04:42 cait and there is a $9 in the record?
04:43 wajasu i can't find one.
04:43 wajasu wait. let me edit
04:45 wajasu yes two $9 entries in the [1] tab  personal names.
04:45 wajasu the RLIN "Auth" links work,   its just the uniform titles that don't
04:46 cait so no rlin for the uniform title?
04:47 wajasu none.  in 240
04:50 wajasu so far, all my uniform titles have links resulting in a an error.
04:50 cait @marc 240
04:50 huginn cait: The uniform title for an item when the bibliographic description is entered under a main entry field that contains a personal (field 100), corporate (110), or meeting (111) name. [a,d,f,g,h,k,l,m,n,o,p,r,s,6,8]
04:51 wajasu looking in ./koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/​prog/en/modules/catalogue,  maybe we are missing a template inthe url from there.
04:53 wajasu where we would supply the Menschwerdung%20Gottes    unitform title 240a
04:53 cait ?
04:54 wajasu i wonder if the url that is generating the link is correct?
04:54 cait sorry, I can't follow
04:54 cait might be the time
04:55 wajasu 240a has a itle that is a hyperlink continaing:[…]hwerdung%20Gottes.
04:55 mtompset cait: You're javascript thought was right.
04:55 wajasu whic gives an error page
04:56 wajasu if thats supposed to link to some sort of person or somethings else, is that even a typical URL that you've seen before.  maybe its misformatted.
04:58 wajasu if someone can find a book with 240a, and look to see if they have a link, and compare the format, or if its broke for them, then i might have a lead
05:01 wajasu i'll have to take up this mystery up in about 13 hours.
05:02 wajasu but aleast i've got working $9 links now.
05:04 cait wajasu: jcamins_away will know what to do :)
05:05 wajasu yeah.
05:06 wajasu have a great day.
05:06 cait thx and have a good evening/night
05:24 * mtompset sighs and grumbles, "How am I supposed to debug this problem?!"
05:26 mtompset var clone = original.cloneNode(true);
05:26 mtompset TypeError: original is null.
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05:41 mtompset OH MY! Is it stale JS/CSS issues?!
05:42 * magnuse waves
05:51 mtompset ARG! it was.
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05:58 magnuse mtompset: at least it wasn's something else ;-)
06:02 mtompset I suppose, but those kinds of errors drive you crazy, because a simple reload doesn't get rid of them.
06:05 mtj … just disable caching
06:06 mtj else, continue to drive yourself batshit whilst testing
06:13 Oak such eloquence mtj
06:13 cait Oak.
06:13 cait ;)
06:13 Oak cait :)
06:13 Oak magnuse
06:14 Oak hello mtompset
06:14 mtompset greetings, Oak.
06:14 cait hi mtj :)
06:15 mtompset glad you liked the reworked lyrics. :)
06:15 Oak :) yup
06:17 mtompset mtj, this wasn't a test environment. This was a live enviroment.
06:18 mtompset However, there were JS changes between 3.6.3 and 3.8.5 :)
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06:34 alex_a bonjour
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06:35 marcelr hi #koha
06:35 mtompset salut, alex_a. :)
06:35 marcelr hi mtompset
06:36 mtompset Greetings, marcelr, laurence, et sophie_m.
06:37 laurence hi mtompset
06:39 sophie_m hi mtompset
06:40 * cait waves
06:40 cait hi marcelr :)
06:41 cait marcelr: reading your mail now - will reply from work later!
06:42 marcelr hi cait :)
06:43 mtj mtompset, it makes no difference what 'enviroment' it is, did you miss my advice?
06:44 mtompset turn off caching.
06:44 mtompset I have done so on my browser now, and have advised my colleagues to do likewise.
06:49 cait marcelr: ok, answered now :) and now it't time to get to work  - bye all!
06:51 mtj mtompset, woah!, i didnt mean for everyone
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06:52 mtompset Well, I may not be around to solve problems in the future. I need something that will just work period forever.
06:53 mtompset Actually, my first recommendation was purposefully empty the cache on upgrades.
06:53 mtompset But that requires they remember to do it.
06:53 mtj ok, your call...
06:54 mtompset I know it is over-kill and their are negative ramifications (like slower page loads in general), but given relatively good connectivity... I don't think that is an issue.
06:55 mtj mtompset ->[…]Bypass_your_cache
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06:57 reiveune hello
06:57 wahanui salut, reiveune
06:58 asaurat hi
06:58 wahanui hi, asaurat
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07:08 tsiliha hello
07:08 wahanui privet, tsiliha
07:09 tsiliha does anyone know how to upgrade koha from 3.4.0 to 3.4.8? I have debian. And the second question is about database, if there is any problem after upgrade it.
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07:10 gaetan_B hello
07:12 mtompset tsiliha: Why would you upgrade to 3.4.8? Why not 3.8.5?
07:13 mtj go on, give a little more info...
07:13 tsiliha because may have some problem with database
07:14 tsiliha is there safe way that database that exist in koha 3.4.0 will work in 3.8.5 with export mysql and import it in new koha stable version?
07:14 drojf tsiliha: did you try what i proposed yesterday?
07:15 mtj tsiliha, if you are going to upgrade,  you should upgrade to the latest version of Koha
07:15 tsiliha <drojf> not yet
07:17 mtj tsiliha, many people have upgraded from 3.4 to 3.8
07:19 tsiliha the upgrade of software i think it is the easy part. What about database?
07:19 mtompset So perhaps the best course of action for you, tsiliha, is to take a backup of your database. And try it. If you have problems while trying it, come back and ask questions. :)
07:19 mtompset tsiliha: The database will upgrade when you access it via the staff interface.
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07:47 mtompset Everyone had a good day (24 hours), I'll be back later.
07:47 mtompset Everyone have a good day (24 hours), I'll be back later.
07:53 rangi evening
07:57 mtj heya chris
07:58 mtj anyone seen this before on master?
07:58 mtj DBD::mysql::db do failed: Unknown or incorrect time zone: 'Pacific/Auckland' at /home/mason/git/head/C4/ line 766.
07:59 magnuse mtj: nope
08:01 mtj do i have a too-old version of some date module
08:02 mtj ooh, i might know
08:03 magnuse mtj: DBD has decided you need to move to another timezone?
08:04 drojf mtj: rangi and jcamins_away talked about that i think
08:04 drojf good day #koha
08:05 drojf mtj:[…]2-10-11#i_1102388
08:07 rangi ah naw thats a different thing
08:07 drojf ok
08:07 rangi that was running a test
08:07 mtj bbiab
08:09 rangi it's just mysql doesn't like that as a timezone
08:09 rangi its harmless
08:09 rangi SET time_zone = "$tz"
08:16 magnuse mysql doesn't approve of bucklame?
08:16 rangi smart of it
08:16 magnuse hehe
08:25 drojf thanks german railways for letting me click through all your forms, then sending me an error when i try to pay and now not have a ticket available for the price that the one in my cart had minutes ago. sure, i'd like to pay 15 euro more for a different conection that is inconveniently timed
08:25 rangi heh
08:36 WaqarAzeem Hello! can anyone let me know how can i debug or at least generate the Log file from my .pl scripts.
08:38 drojf car sharing it is… in your face DB
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08:56 Viktor Hi! Taking a chance here - is anyone familiar with the SOLR-dev online?
08:56 drojf hej Viktor
08:56 drojf Viktor: shout paul_p three times and see what happens
08:57 Viktor Sorry to just pop in with questions like this - will try to keep up a social presence also in the future :)
08:57 paul_p hi Viktor
08:57 Viktor :) drojf
08:57 drojf oh look it worked with just one mention. hey paul_p ;)
08:58 paul_p drojf i'm back with xchat. I couldn't explain thunderbird chat module that he should notify any personal yelling.
08:58 Viktor I´m talking to the biggest library school of sweden on monday and they are interested in having their students being able to fool around with the indexing.
08:58 drojf paul_p: weird, that is an integral part of irc as i use it
08:58 paul_p Viktor = for Solr questions , you should ask clrh (but she's at a conference today)
08:59 paul_p drojf = yep. I'm sure it will be for next release !
08:59 Viktor If I remember correctly SOLR allows more "hands on" work with indexing in a graphical interface. While Zebra is CLI only.
08:59 Viktor Thanks paul_p
08:59 Viktor and drojf
09:00 Viktor I'll try to get a hold of her tomorrow or during the weekend.
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09:00 paul_p Viktor = you're right. With koha/solr, you can define your indexes in Koha directly
09:01 Viktor That is great! paul_p
09:02 Viktor Is it installed in the standard installations nowdays? I have a private test-install from magnuse. I think it´s installed from the Debian package.
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09:06 Viktor Good question drojf - I have done some Koha-stuff while not working at my regular job and had to strike a balance.
09:06 Viktor Why not have a "This is me as a part of the Koha-community" card - while also being clear with your official position at the univ?
09:06 magnuse hiya Viktor
09:06 rangi drojf: seems fine to me
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09:08 magnuse Viktor: yeah, the experimental solr stuff will be in 3.10 i think, your install is 3.8.5
09:08 kf hi all :)
09:08 rangi hi kf
09:08 magnuse Viktor: see bug 8233
09:08 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8233 major, P2, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , New search engine layer - introduce solr without breaking anything else
09:09 magnuse that is "pushed to master" and master = what will become 3.10
09:10 drojf good morning her highness, the managerin of quality assurance, kf
09:11 magnuse Viktor: ses also[…]earch_Rewrite_RFC
09:13 kf lol
09:13 kf good morning to you too :)
09:13 drojf Viktor and rangi: yes something about community (having the url of on it somehow too would have the nice effect of people not googleing the wrong website). i just would not want to rase the idea that "i make koha" or "i work for the koha company". our concept of development is quite strange to many people here.
09:13 drojf s/rase/raise
09:13 rangi yep
09:14 rangi you could get
09:14 rangi Bug Wrangler for version 3.12
09:14 rangi Member of the Koha Community (url)
09:16 drojf kf: do we have an official translation for "bug wrangler"? ;)
09:21 drojf Viktor: where is the library school you were talking about?
09:26 * magnuse thinks Viktor should get a better client than mibbit, if he wants to hang out ;-)
09:28 drojf lol
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09:39 * drojf hands Viktor the duct tape
09:39 kf sorry afk a lot today
09:39 kf no I don't think we have a translation
09:40 magnuse Viktor: if you want to hang out you might want to consider an irc client that does not time out ;-)
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09:43 jiwaji how to see my opac in koha 3.06
09:45 drojf wut?
09:47 * drojf wanders off
09:47 magnuse that was quick :-)
09:47 drojf to the drojf mobile!
09:47 drojf (aka berlin underground)
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10:21 WaqarAzeem Is there any way to print the variable values somewhere direcly from .pl files (currently what i am doing is making a string 'my strdebug' and passing it to the template).  Any better alternative to put the variable values in a file or on the browser (error like 500).
10:21 WaqarAzeem for debugging
10:43 kf_afk coworkers++
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10:59 kf_afk wb drojf :)
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11:47 jcamins Good morning, #koha.
11:49 jcamins Viktor: one point about Solr: it supports only bibs.
11:49 kf_afk jcamins: only bibs? no items or no authorities?
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11:50 jcamins kf_afk: well, items are part of bibs, indexing-wise.
11:50 jcamins No authorities.
11:50 wahanui i think no authorities is added
11:51 kf_afk ah
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11:59 drojf meh
12:00 jcamins drojf: that good?
12:01 drojf jcamins: using a windows computer is always fun. had a fight with the encryption plugin
12:01 jcamins Heh.
12:02 kf but you won :)
12:04 magnuse jcamins: anyone got any plans for indexing authorities with solr?
12:05 jcamins magnuse: as it happens, someone does. There's this search rewrite getting started that will add that. ;)
12:06 magnuse ooh, cool :-)
12:07 kf hm this search rewrite?
12:07 kf search rewrite?
12:07 wahanui i think search rewrite is[…]earch_Rewrite_RFC
12:07 jcamins That's the one!
12:09 jcamins 1(h)
12:11 kf hm
12:11 kf the numbering is confusing me
12:11 jcamins Yes, the wiki insists on adding its own.
12:11 * jcamins didn't know it would do that.
12:11 kf there is no h?
12:11 kf only g?
12:12 kf oh
12:12 jcamins I just noticed that I had it misnumbered and corrected it.
12:12 kf after the roman numbers
12:14 jcamins Yup.
12:14 jcamins Woohoo!
12:14 jcamins My apt repo is working!
12:15 kf yay :)
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12:19 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
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12:23 mtompset Greetings, oleonard.
12:23 oleonard Hi
12:24 mtompset Have you topic changing powers?
12:24 oleonard Yes
12:24 mtompset The meeting is past, we know the new date and time. :)
12:25 Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software The next general meeting is 7 November 2012 2:00 UTC
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12:26 oleonard wiki says you're flying to Canada mtompset--your job in Philippines done?
12:27 mtompset My term in the Philippines is complete.
12:27 mtompset However, that doesn't mean I won't be working still on Koha.
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12:27 mtompset It just is dependent on raising enough financial partners.
12:27 mtompset Though, Koha is not the only project I work on.
12:28 * magnuse gets curious
12:32 * magnuse hopes mtompset will return to koha quickly then :-)
12:33 mtompset What country are you in magnuse? ;)
12:33 magnuse mtompset: norway
12:39 mtompset magnuse: I have friends in Norway who are also Wycliffe members. :)
12:39 magnuse cool
12:41 mtompset I met them while studying at CanIL.
12:41 mtompset
12:45 mtompset Going to miss Christmas in the Philippines with my only surviving parent (mother-in-law). :(
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12:45 mtompset All hail the Translation Manager. ;)
12:45 magnuse o/
12:46 druthb :P
12:46 druthb Bah.
12:49 mtompset Oooo... bug 1918 if it gets live may address the browser cache headache I hit yesterday.
12:49 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1918 enhancement, P3, ---, dpavlin, In Discussion , Minify JavaScript and CSS
12:50 kf hi ms translation manager :)
12:50 oleonard Why mtompset?
12:51 mtompset Wouldn't that help solve stale javascript/css?
12:53 oleonard I don't see how it would mtompset. It's about minifying the file sent to your browser, but your browser would still cache it
12:55 oleonard What is an OAI set?
12:56 mtompset Open Archives Initiative? Maybe this will help?[…]ts+Generalisation
12:56 mtompset (I'm guessing. I don't know)
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13:09 kf oleonard: hm kind of a part of your collection
13:10 kf oleonard: you can harvest records with oai - you can harvest all of them or you can define sets
13:10 kf like let people harvest all thesis records for a central server
13:10 oleonard So it's a way to share Koha data with external applications?
13:10 kf oai can not really search, but it can work with those sets or the creation/change dates of records
13:10 kf yes
13:10 kf I asked magnuse to explain it to me a bit ago :)
13:11 kf because people at the workshop had asked bout it
13:11 kf oleonard: why are you asking?
13:12 magnuse oleonard: OAI-PMH is "a way to share Koha data with external applications"
13:12 kf the interface for deifning sets could use some of your magic :)
13:12 oleonard Just what I'm doing kf
13:12 kf nice!!
13:12 oleonard That's why I'm wondering about it
13:12 kf oleonard++
13:12 magnuse OAI sets lets you define subsets of your data to share
13:13 magnuse so as kf said, one set could be the records for all the theses in your catalogue
13:13 oleonard I wonder if the description field is hidden by default in the interface because one should not submit an empty value or if that's just for sparkle.
13:13 magnuse or all the dvds or all the printed books or...
13:13 drojf and again one of the many questionmarks about koha stuff (from the bottom of my list) solved
13:13 drojf #koha++
13:14 druthb @karma
13:14 huginn druthb: Highest karma: "rangi" (672), "oleonard" (566), and "jcamins" (424).  Lowest karma: "<!" (-111), "failed" (-94), and "-" (-66).  You (druthb) are ranked 14 out of 2258.
13:14 druthb @most increased
13:14 huginn druthb: "rangi": 677, "oleonard": 571, "jcamins": 426, "wizzyrea": 352, "cait": 325, "gmcharlt": 324, "chris_n": 309, "paul_p": 258, "sekjal": 245, "nengard": 228, "kf": 214, "magnuse": 182, "slef": 163, "druthb": 148, "eythian": 139, "fredericd": 89, "hdl": 69, "biblibre": 65, "marcelr": 64, "hdl_laptop": 60, "mveron": 54, "mtj": 54, "jwagner": 54, "thd": 47, and "kmkale": 46
13:17 oleonard magnuse: Are the "setSpec" and "setName" values arbitrary? Identifiers you give to the external application?
13:17 magnuse um, let me check
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13:18 magnuse oleonard: the official definitions are here:[…]protocol.html#Set
13:19 magnuse setname is just a name, at least
13:20 magnuse yeah, looks like setSpec is pretty arbitrary too
13:20 magnuse it's just an id
13:21 oleonard Do you know if the description field is internal to Koha or used by OAI? I'm wondering why one can add multiple descriptions
13:23 magnuse "a setDescription -- an optional and repeatable container"
13:23 magnuse the standard says it should be repeatble
13:23 magnuse and it's used by oai
13:23 oleonard Thanks magnuse, my page-scanning isn't working well this morning
13:24 magnuse np oleonard
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13:45 jcamins paul_p: have you figured out how to include referrer information in your Plack logs?
13:45 paul_p good morning Release Manager ;-)
13:45 paul_p jcamins to answer your question = nope
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13:49 * magnuse wishes the functionality in reports/ was nicely encapsulated in subroutines ;-)
13:50 oleonard If wishes were horses guided reports would be the American west in the 1800s.
13:51 magnuse huh? :-)
13:52 oleonard[…]eggars_would_ride
13:53 magnuse ah
13:53 magnuse well, maybe tomorrow, now it's time to try and catch some sun before it (oai) sets
14:00 kf lol
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14:04 drojf you can harvest sun with OAI?
14:05 jcamins drojf: OAI comes from "phOtovoltAIc."
14:06 trea heh
14:08 gmcharlt @quote random
14:08 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #184: "slef: IF YOU STARE TOO DEEPLY INTO MARC21, MARC21 STARES BACK INTO YOU!" (added by wizzyrea at 06:58 PM, January 30, 2012)
14:08 gmcharlt gaahh!
14:09 jcamins Oh my god- it's full of stars!
14:09 * wizzyrea laughs
14:10 * jcamins knew someone would appreciate the joke.
14:10 jcamins Bad as it was.
14:10 wizzyrea also good <time of day>
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14:23 mtompset Actually, that reminds me of a cover photo of a friend recently. Something about a being that stared back in hopes of finding the origin of the universe and it triggered the creation of the multiverses.
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15:18 mtompset Greetings, wizzyrea.
15:18 mtompset Greetings, trea edveal rambutan and NateC too. :)
15:18 NateC Hiya! :D
15:18 wizzyrea phew. updates took forever :)
15:19 edveal Hello
15:19 wahanui hello, edveal
15:20 trea hey mtompset
15:20 wahanui i guess mtompset is disliking the silent warnings flooding his error logs.
15:21 mtompset Why does 'hey <name>' trigger the same thing as '<name>?' ?
15:22 mtompset updates, wizzyrea? What updates?
15:22 druthb wahanui: edveal?
15:22 wahanui i heard edveal was good friends with Ruth (DRuth) and have been for years.
15:22 druthb :)
15:22 wizzyrea computer updates
15:22 edveal :)
15:24 mtompset Ah... not windows updates, I hope. Those are painful. :)
15:25 druthb wahanui: druthb?
15:25 wahanui you are
15:26 druthb I really need a new picture.  hm.
15:28 wizzyrea naw
15:32 druthb yeah...with the new do! :D
15:32 wizzyrea ohh good pt
15:38 rambutan mtompset: morning
15:38 mtompset Depends on where you are, but yes it is somewhere, rambutan. :)
15:38 wizzyrea rambutan is in my timezone - it's morning.
15:39 wizzyrea :)
15:39 rambutan there you go. morning has a majority, must be right
15:39 wizzyrea (i mean - it's morning here)
15:40 wizzyrea never min.d
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15:42 libsysguy1 wizzyrea can you kick libsysguy
15:42 libsysguy1 my power cut out
15:42 jcamins Your power cut out?
15:42 libsysguy1 yeah the power went out and reset everything
15:43 libsysguy was kicked by wizzyrea: libsysguy
15:43 libsysguy1 so when it came back
15:43 wizzyrea u got it :)
15:43 libsysguy1 I was now libsysguy1
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15:43 wizzyrea man I don't get to do that very often :D
15:43 jcamins Your power went out at 9:40am on a Thursday?
15:43 libsysguy1 yeah…welcome to texas
15:43 libsysguy1 the grids get stressed down here
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15:45 jcamins libsysguy: did you know you can just change your nick?
15:46 libsysguy it wouldn't let it
15:46 libsysguy me*
15:46 libsysguy it said it was already in use
15:46 wizzyrea oh, well I kicked you but you were still connected to the server I bet
15:46 rambutan squirrel chewed a our power lines out yesterday. We had four big bucket-lift power trucks out here--power was out for 3 hours
15:46 wizzyrea I can't kick you from the server entirely
15:47 liw using the NickServ service on OFTC allows you to register a nick and identify yourself to NickServ and then ask NickServ kick out your nick if you get disconnected and reconnect with a diffent nick
15:47 jcamins rambutan: a squirrel? How did it survive long enough to chew through?
15:47 libsysguy liw I was trying to identify
15:47 jcamins That reminds me. I need to identify this server to Nickserv.
15:47 libsysguy but i couldn't remember the command
15:47 libsysguy :p
15:47 liw libsysguy, /msg NickServ help :)
15:47 libsysguy heh
15:50 rambutan jcamins: usually they get french fried immediately (it's happened a couple of times), but this time apparently they weren't touching a ground wire, so we didn't see any corpses.
15:51 jcamins Huh.
15:51 libsysguy jcamins he's talking about cooking squirrels
15:52 libsysguy via power lines
15:52 libsysguy and the power going out
15:52 jcamins libsysguy: I know.
15:52 wizzyrea i am trying so hard to not make a joke about missouri people eating squirrel.
15:52 libsysguy oh
15:52 jcamins libsysguy: I would've thought that the squirrel would hit the ground wire at some point.
15:52 wizzyrea because I was born in missouri
15:52 wizzyrea but it would be SO FUNNY.
15:53 oleonard wizzyrea: Did you know all the jokes Kansans say about Missouri Ohioans tell about West Virginia?
15:53 wizzyrea I didn't!
15:53 wizzyrea but that is awesome.
15:54 oleonard I think Missouri is ahead though, having both Kansas City (MO) and St. Louis.
15:54 oleonard Sorry WV.
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16:06 libsysguy for all the dub drake fans
16:08 gaetan_B bye
16:37 rambutan I saw the Txtr Beagls in the news recently. Bare bones, but they might be great for checking out ereaders to patrons--comparable in many ways to Playaways
16:42 rambutan maybe cait has some pre-production samples of the Txtr Beagle?
16:44 rambutan @later tell cait maybe cait has some pre-production samples of the Txtr Beagle?
16:44 huginn rambutan: The operation succeeded.
16:45 kf rambutan: why me?
16:45 * kf is cait
16:45 kf I am not working for bywater if that is about the message earlier :)
16:46 rambutan German company? txtr, Rosenthaler Strasse 13, Berlin 10119, Germany
16:46 kf aah
16:46 kf maybe ask droifj then - he is in the same city at least :)
16:47 rambutan ok, I'll ping him later
16:47 oleonard I thought everyone in Germany with a computer got pre-production models of computer-related gadgets?
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16:47 mtompset Well, I think that's my signal to go to bed.
16:47 rambutan especially those working in library-associated organizatioins?
16:48 oleonard Yeah, those people usually get two
16:48 mtompset Have a good day (24 hour period), everyone.
16:48 rambutan When I go to trade shows I get all kinds and colors of pencils and sometimes pens.
16:50 kf rambutan: it's unlikely he knows something rally
16:50 kf like oleonard said, we don't get any gadgets :(
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17:05 gmcharlt @quote random
17:05 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #54: "<@gmcharlt> from my POV, bug wrangling expands to fill all available volunteers" (added by jwagner at 08:05 PM, February 09, 2010)
17:18 kf bye all :)
17:19 druthb @quote random
17:19 huginn druthb: Quote #177: "oleonard: If Buck Rogers used IRC he'd put bip on Twiki and tell Twiki to never sleep." (added by wizzyrea at 04:43 PM, January 10, 2012)
17:26 libsysguy whoa oleonard have you noticed the jqueryui page
17:26 oleonard Yup
17:26 libsysguy it has a very flat feel now
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17:29 drojf ev'nin'
17:29 libsysguy so it is
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17:49 wizzyrea @quote random
17:49 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #136: "<sekjal> MARC. Must. Die!" (added by wizzyrea at 06:18 PM, May 26, 2011)
17:51 drojf that poor marc guy
17:51 drojf hated by everyone
17:53 drojf @quote random
17:53 huginn drojf: Quote #4: "< kf> I often get asked: You have to study to be a librarian? perhaps MARC was invented to answer it ;)" (added by chris at 12:50 PM, June 12, 2009)
17:55 drojf what happened to the mailing list? i did not get anything in > 9 hours. koha problems solved world wide?
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18:05 cait hi #koha
18:05 druthb hi, cait.  :)
18:05 cait hi druthb :)
18:13 drojf hey cait
18:13 cait hi drojf :)
18:14 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
18:14 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin, Germany is 8.8°C (8:00 PM CEST on October 11, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
18:16 cait @wunder Konstanz
18:16 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 12.6°C (8:10 PM CEST on October 11, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady).
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18:25 druthb @wunder 66046
18:25 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Near Lawrence High School, Lawrence, Kansas is 21.6°C (1:19 PM CDT on October 11, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 23%. Dew Point: -0.0°C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018 hPa (Falling).
18:25 drojf slef: i think you had vectorized koha logos ready? if that's correct, are they available somewhere?
18:32 drojf cait: do you use a translated version of the koha logo catch phrase?
18:35 drojf @later tell slef i think you had vectorized koha logos ready? if that's correct, are they available somewhere?
18:35 huginn drojf: The operation succeeded.
18:38 oleonard drojf: /misc/interface_customization
18:40 drojf ah cool, thanks oleonard. looking in the source was too obvious :)
18:42 oleonard I suppose we could do something like koha-log-[% lang %].png ?
18:43 jcamins_away The Koha logo has a catchphrase?
18:43 cait drojf: our first flyer had one
18:43 drojf jcamins_away: free software library system. open source library system …
18:43 cait have to be careful to not make it too long
18:43 cait freies bibliothekssystem or Open-Source-Bibliotheksmanagementsystem ?
18:43 drojf cait: i was thinking "Freies Bibliothekssystem"
18:44 drojf mine will be free, not open source ;)
18:45 jcamins_away drojf: oh, I never noticed that.
18:45 cait drojf: thought so :) was trying to rmember what I created back then
18:46 drojf oleonard: i was thinking about propaganda material ;) but it would be cool to have it change in the software too actually
18:47 drojf cait: "Open-Source-Bibliotheksmanagementsystem" is horrible ;)
18:47 cait did it on purpose :)
18:47 cait yes, it's horrible
18:47 cait and it will never fit down there in a readable size
18:48 drojf depends on how big the rest is. if you would print it on a hot-air balloon…
18:48 cait heh
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18:49 drojf "quelloffenes bibliotheksverwaltungssystem mit freier lizenz"
18:50 cait hehe
18:53 drojf magnuse even has "the free library system" in norwegian. "Das freie Bibliothekssystem". hm
18:58 drojf mveron and mbalmer have "open source bibliothekssystem"
18:58 cait hm
18:58 cait it should be open-source-bibliothekssystem according to duden
18:59 cait if you mix german and english you have to put in -
18:59 drojf maybe not in swiss german :D
18:59 cait yep
18:59 cait :)
18:59 drojf oh its open-source bibliothekssystem really
19:08 jcamins cait: your GND data has shaken out a bug in some of the authority code. Well done.
19:08 cait excellent!
19:08 jcamins cait: also, your GND data is absurd.
19:08 cait you told me so before
19:08 cait but it shkes out bugs :P
19:08 jcamins It does.
19:08 drojf GND as worst case scenario?
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19:09 cait I didn't say that.
19:09 jcamins drojf: nearly.
19:09 cait it's has lots of interesting information
19:09 jcamins It does.
19:09 cait the problem is the data structure is a bit germany specific
19:09 jcamins It has great information.
19:10 drojf germans wouldn't do anything crazy…
19:10 jcamins It's just entered in a way as to be utterly useless to anyone who isn't at the DNB.
19:10 drojf lol
19:10 drojf that sounds very german
19:14 jcamins drojf: you'd think if they were going to do something crazy that made their authorities incompatible with everyone else that they'd at least use a format that wasn't MARC, wouldn't you?
19:15 drojf they don't want to do something completely different, they only want you to follow the way they do it :P
19:25 oleonard Fans of OAI can now test Bug 8906
19:25 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8906 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Improve OAI management interface
19:28 jcamins How do I run the installer in French?
19:29 drojf jcamins: install french language before running the installer?
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19:30 jcamins drojf: that's what I'm trying.
19:30 jcamins Just wanted confirmation that there wasn't a special step required.
19:30 cait nope
19:30 cait that's all
19:30 drojf not that i know. i don't think it would be different from installing in any other non-english language
19:30 cait oleonard++ :)
19:32 jcamins Bother.
19:32 jcamins I'm caught in a loop.
19:33 jcamins Hooray!
19:33 jcamins I escaped!
19:33 cait heh
19:33 jcamins I had to restart Plack, though, which seems less than optimal.
19:36 jcamins There are no sample branches for French UNIMARC?
19:36 cait don't know
19:37 jcamins It would seem not.
19:38 drojf i thought i had seen data for that somewhere
19:38 drojf maybe on the wiki or bugzilla?
19:38 jcamins drojf: now that I think about it, I recall a conversation about a test always failing because French UNIMARC didn't have sample branches.
19:40 jcamins I need some UNIMARC data.
19:40 drojf ah, i was probably thinking about the sandbox data
19:40 jcamins Yeah.
19:40 jcamins I don't like the sandbox UNIMARC data.
19:41 drojf i was thinking of branch data actually, but it seems there is everything in one sql file
19:42 jcamins Maybe I can persuade Joubu to share the data he uses for testing.
19:42 drojf maybe one day someone gets really bored and makes sample data for the installer from that
19:42 jcamins Or just copies the sample branches from English UNIMARC. :P
19:42 jcamins *MARC21
19:42 jcamins Reindexing 213k authorities.
19:43 oleonard toss in a few accents jcamins and no one will be the wiser
19:43 jcamins Hehe.
19:44 drojf lol
19:44 cait name them after french food ? :)
19:46 drojf les freedom fries
19:47 wizzyrea oleonard:[…]n-levitate-a.html
19:47 cait baguette has a good dvd collection I heard
19:48 jcamins Hehe.
19:49 oleonard That is a tiny tiny companion cube wizzyrea
19:49 wizzyrea :D
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19:50 wizzyrea but it's SO CUTE
19:50 jcamins I guess I should make Zebra and Plack start automatically.
19:51 oleonard Cute? You're talking to the guy who disposed of his weighted companion cube in record time.
19:51 wizzyrea hehehehehehehe
19:51 oleonard 8)
19:55 cait ok, I see the cube
19:55 cait but what exactly is it?
19:55 wizzyrea it's from a game - Portal
19:56 cait oh
19:56 wizzyrea i know oleonard played it
19:58 jcamins Okay... this is annoying.
19:58 jcamins My Plack startup script is incompatible with init.
20:10 jcamins Yay!
20:10 jcamins I have working init scripts.
20:11 cait yay :)
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20:17 oleonard See y'all later
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20:26 drojf my_internet--
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20:44 drojf spontaneously update openwrt on my rooter to a beta version at night? sounds reasonable
20:45 jcamins lol
20:45 jcamins Absolutely.
20:45 drojf " * Vastly improved ath9k driver stability and performance" sounds what i need
20:45 jcamins *click*
20:45 drojf sounds like
20:45 jcamins drojf's connection drops.
20:45 drojf :)
20:46 drojf i remember i waited longish before the last update and it was ridiculously easy and fast in hindsight
20:47 * jcamins will bid you goodnight before you start the update.
20:49 drojf "If your attempt to install OpenWrt fails, generic.debrick could help you. " now we're talking…
20:53 drojf well, why not. goodbye #koha ;)
20:53 drojf see you soonish. or, one day
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20:58 drojf could have turned out worse
20:58 jcamins That was it?
20:58 jcamins Wow.
20:59 jcamins Color me impressed.
20:59 drojf and for all our kids at the screens: don#t do this at home
20:59 drojf yes i felt the same last time :)
21:01 cait hm?
21:02 drojf cait: ?
21:02 jcamins cait: that drojf just flashed his router that quickly.
21:03 drojf i even spent half the time finding the checksum to compare
21:03 cait ah right
21:16 drojf looking good so far
21:16 drojf openwrt++
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21:42 wizzyrea hmm
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21:51 rambutan @mark 001
21:51 huginn rambutan: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
21:51 rambutan wahanui marc 001
21:51 wahanui rambutan: excuse me?
21:51 jcamins @marc 001
21:51 huginn jcamins: The control number assigned by the organization creating, using, or distributing the record. The MARC code for the organization is contained in field 003 (Control Number Identifier). []
21:52 rambutan tnx
21:52 rambutan well, heck I misspelled "marc" the first time
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21:57 rambutan my outsider observation on lib school is that you have to have an MLS just to be called a librarian. In business terms, that's a barrier to entry
21:58 rambutan on the other hand, you need an MLS to understand marc
21:59 jcamins Actually, they don't teach you enough about MARC to know what to do with a record if you just take the normal courses, I think.
22:02 rambutan I suspect someday catalogers will be able to just dump all the record data into a plaintext file w/in the db and google will have an intelligent indexer/retrieval algorithm (called camel) to pull the item
22:02 jcamins lol
22:02 jcamins That'll be the day.
22:07 jcamins Huh.
22:07 jcamins Yup.
22:07 jcamins Definitely a bug.
22:07 jcamins Who is that, and can we get him/her to submit a patch?
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22:08 gml hi everyone
22:09 jcamins Hello.
22:09 gml is there a system preference for avoiding a patron does not checkout two items from the same biblio?
22:09 jcamins No.
22:10 gml it's a wrong behavior in koha, I think
22:11 jcamins No, I don't think so.
22:12 jcamins I suppose I can see a use for it, but if a book is very popular I'd expect there to be holds on it, and, if there aren't, I wouldn't see any reason why someone couldn't check out two copies of a book so that they could read it without their son/daughter stealing it.
22:15 gml thanks for the help
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22:21 wajasu jcamins: i was pulling up a biblio (ISBN 0567093522) which has 240a (uniform title)  showing as a link ,and the URL is:[…]hwerdung%20Gottes.  which results in an error page.  does that link look correct?
22:22 jcamins Not even slightly.
22:22 eythian hi
22:22 jcamins XSLT mode?
22:23 wajasu no XSLT
22:23 wajasu just statdard master dev install.
22:23 jcamins Okay, bug in regular mode, then.
22:23 wajasu it like that for all biblios i find with a uniform title.
22:24 wajasu if you have a running master, maybe you can confirm it.   or maybe i should just look at the code.
22:24 jcamins Lemme see if I have anything with a uniform title readily available.
22:25 jcamins Detail page, yes?
22:25 wajasu
22:25 jcamins *MARCDetail*?
22:25 wajasu with  ?biblionumber=###
22:25 wajasu[…]?biblionumber=484
22:25 wajasu[…]hwerdung%20Gottes.   for the link
22:26 jcamins Odd.
22:26 wajasu is it a  rewrite thing?
22:26 jcamins I don't even understand how that could happen.
22:27 jcamins Okay, yes I do.
22:27 jcamins Bug.
22:27 jcamins 240 is not a URL.
22:27 jcamins Never has been, never will be.
22:27 jcamins The default frameworks are wrong.
22:28 wajasu can you write up the bug, since you can explain it better?  "i.e, e.g, aka.   the default framework...     :)
22:28 drojf i say MARC did it
22:28 jcamins drojf: I agree.
22:28 jcamins wajasu: sure.
22:28 wajasu its on master
22:28 * drojf wanders off to bed
22:29 jcamins wajasu: yeah, I confirmed it. Otherwise I wouldn't know what the heck was going on.
22:31 wajasu ok. another bit.  i did the 3.0 to pre 3.10 master upgrade, and wiped my authrecs, and rebuild, link_bibs_to_auths, rebuild, so now my RLIN auth links are working for subject headings.
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22:34 jcamins Excellent!
22:34 wajasu so i think i should stay with that instead of the alternate search. , and have my libraruian maintin authority subject headings from now on.
22:35 jcamins Alternate search?
22:35 wajasu the tracings syspref is what i was refering to.
22:35 jcamins Ah.
22:35 jcamins Yeah.
22:35 jcamins If you can do it, that's best.
22:36 wajasu the tracing returns a lot more results though.   the non-tracing is only giving me up to 2 results.
22:36 jcamins That's because it's keyword searches.
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22:37 jcamins Librarians in space!
22:37 jcamins Bug 8909
22:37 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8909 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , MARC21 240$a (Uniform title) is not a URL
22:37 wajasu thx
22:38 wajasu i hate seeing error pages.
22:38 jcamins Could be worse.
22:38 jcamins You could be running Plack.
22:39 Space_Librarian Yes!
22:39 jcamins No error pages under Plack.
22:39 jcamins Just errors.
22:39 Space_Librarian Hello #koha
22:39 Space_Librarian @wunder Wellington, NZ
22:39 huginn Space_Librarian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (11:00 AM NZDT on October 12, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
22:39 jcamins You know what is required?
22:39 jcamins Pizza.
22:39 Space_Librarian mmmm pizza
22:39 jcamins With kale!
22:39 jcamins :D
22:40 Space_Librarian really?
22:40 jcamins Yes.
22:40 Space_Librarian I guess that may work.
22:40 jcamins Forget tomato sauce.
22:40 Space_Librarian :s que?
22:40 jcamins Kale is the way to go!
22:40 Space_Librarian Kale and...?
22:40 jcamins Mozzarella, garlic, and sundried tomatoes if we have any.
22:40 wajasu kale and collard greens
22:40 jcamins Ooooooooooooooooooohh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
22:40 jcamins Artichokes!
22:41 jcamins Oh, yes please! Artichoke-kale pizza.
22:43 wajasu Okra?
22:43 * jcamins senses a distinct lack of enthusiasm from the direction of Wellington, NZ.
22:43 jcamins Nah. I don't like okra.
22:44 Space_Librarian I'm just in stunned amazement
22:44 Space_Librarian I actually think an artichoke-kale pizza would work really well.
22:45 * Space_Librarian is surprised at this considered revelation
22:45 wajasu brand it   Artikale (with an accent over the e).
22:45 Space_Librarian I like it.
22:46 jcamins Hehe.
22:47 jcamins And this is just another day of Jared cooking for the Camins household.
22:47 Space_Librarian I have missed hearing about your culinary creations.
22:47 jcamins I have this _thing_ about making the same thing twice.
22:47 Space_Librarian fair enough.
22:48 milts_nz Hey, does anyone here use Mendeley or Zotero?
22:48 milts_nz I've got a question about Koha RIS exports...
22:49 jcamins milts_nz: uh-oh.
22:49 Space_Librarian You guys should see what milts_nz can do with Mendeley though.
22:49 milts_nz yep.
22:49 jcamins milts_nz: I'm familiar with Koha's RIS export.
22:49 jcamins It's...
22:49 * jcamins shudders
22:49 jcamins What's your question? :)
22:49 milts_nz jcamins: haha.
22:49 Space_Librarian lol
22:50 milts_nz well... we create a 'current awareness' blog about recently added Koha items, so I figured why not create a custom CSL style with HTML in it
22:50 milts_nz that way you can export koha -> mendeley -> custom HTML format
22:51 jcamins But you use analytics, don't you?
22:51 milts_nz and it works awesome for the books, but we index articles too - and they come across as item type "book"
22:51 milts_nz jcamins: not at this point. We plan to get around to it.
22:52 jcamins Records for articles = analytics.
22:52 milts_nz ah
22:52 milts_nz sigh
22:52 Space_Librarian we haven't had the serials set up in koha. yet.
22:52 Space_Librarian is this with the 760's? Because nobody's really been able to explain it to us, jcamins
22:53 jcamins 76x-78x are linking. 773 is the principle field for analytics (i.e. bibliographic items contained in another bibliographic item).
22:54 jcamins Sadly our support for exporting that data as anything other than MARC is...
22:54 jcamins rather poor.
22:55 milts_nz I see
22:55 jcamins It's not supported in RIS at all, at the moment.
22:55 milts_nz currently all our data on volume, issue serial etc is in the 250 and 490 field
22:56 rambutan >whatis RIS
22:56 Space_Librarian Which I'm looking at getting mapped to the 700's
22:56 rambutan RIS is a standardized tag format developed by Research Information Systems????
22:56 rambutan Records Import Service?
22:56 jcamins The COinS provides limited support, which wouldn't help much for Mendeley.
22:56 jcamins And not at all if your records are coded as monographs.
22:56 jcamins rambutan: the first.
22:56 rambutan enx
22:57 jcamins Rather nightmarish format, really.
22:57 rambutan tnx
22:57 milts_nz ok
22:57 jcamins milts_nz: do you set LDR appropriately?
22:57 milts_nz it seems to be quite happy with book exports but articles really don't work neatly
22:57 rambutan and on that note, #init 0
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22:57 jcamins Yeah, I'm not surprised.
22:57 milts_nz to be fair, it is a library catalogue not an academic database...
22:58 milts_nz I'm not convinced our leaders are set correctly. We've asked catalyst here in wellington and they suggested an alteration but we're unconvinced
22:58 jcamins As far as I know, you're the second person to ever worry about exporting the data to citation managers.
22:58 jcamins (data for articles)
22:58 * jcamins was the first.
22:58 milts_nz lol
22:58 milts_nz you are no longer alone...
22:58 jcamins To the best of my knowledge.
22:59 jcamins You're going to have a rough time of it with the data in 250 and 490 no matter what.
22:59 milts_nz actually, my other workplace uses it a fair amount - there's a health database in the UK (King's Fund) which we often export files from to endnote
22:59 jcamins milts_nz: with Koha?!?
22:59 milts_nz yeah I figured. I think that's partly why ms space librarian is looking to ship the data into the 700s
22:59 milts_nz yes, king's fund runs on Koha
23:00 milts_nz they're... special.
23:00 jcamins And you haven't torn all your hair out trying to get the article citations into Endnote?
23:00 jcamins (I love Koha very much, but it does not do article citation export very well)
23:01 milts_nz yeah. It's actually not too bad - most of the core fields come across - but they do all require manual QC
23:01 milts_nz and I suspect they have better data than us. So thanks, looks like we need to forget about article export at least for a while
23:01 jcamins Color me perplexed.
23:02 milts_nz and what shade is that exactly
23:02 jcamins I'm not sure, but a very confused one.
23:02 jcamins I can think of no way to get RIS export to work with analytics, no matter how they're coded.
23:03 milts_nz :-/
23:03 jcamins But apparently you managed.
23:03 jcamins Ask Catalyst how they did it for UK?
23:03 jcamins *King's Fund
23:03 milts_nz that's a point
23:03 jcamins Sorry, just realized that UK was probably not an abbreviation for "King's Fund."
23:04 milts_nz oh I dunno...
23:04 jcamins My preferred solution would be to export a CSL-friendly format so that you could transform directly to MLA/APA/HTML directly from Koha.
23:05 jcamins I think it would be exceedingly useful.
23:06 milts_nz it really would, especially given how many people are using CSL
23:07 * jcamins notes that he does subcontract, if Catalyst wants that development done. (psst: eythian)
23:08 jcamins Our forks have swapped spaces again.
23:08 jcamins We have big forks, and we have little forks.
23:09 jcamins The little forks were where the big forks belonged, and vice versa.
23:10 jcamins (I'm in New York, so it's 7pm and I'm currently working on pizza)
23:11 milts_nz jcamins:  the fork draw needs more metadata
23:12 Space_Librarian I always seem to catch you working on pizza, jcamins
23:12 jcamins Yeah... I'm thinking a map.
23:12 Space_Librarian did somebody say metadata?
23:12 jcamins Actually, my kitchen generally needs a map.
23:12 jcamins No one other than me can ever find the mixing bowls.
23:13 jcamins (I'm not sure why, I always put them away the same place)
23:13 jcamins Space_Librarian: I really like pizza...
23:14 Space_Librarian I gathered. It must be an NY thing. :D
23:16 jcamins Space_Librarian: magnuse has pizza every Friday, and he's in Bodo, Norway.
23:16 eythian jcamins: noted :)
23:17 eythian though I have a minion^Wpostgrad at the moment looking for project type work who I give those things to :)
23:17 eythian (right now I'm just getting him started helping to improve OPAC accessability)
23:17 Space_Librarian I had pizza with Brooke on Monday. First time in ages.
23:18 eythian *who I could give...
23:18 jcamins eythian: your postgrad might not appreciate being asked to decode the semantics of the 76x-78x fields.
23:18 eythian deep end, schmeep end
23:19 jcamins lol
23:21 jcamins Possibly a more manageable project would be RIS-improvement.
23:21 eythian I'd just make him talk to you :)
23:21 eythian yeah
23:22 eythian I'll see, it might be that he gets stolen before too long.
23:22 jcamins I favor a webservice to make milts_nz's job super-easy, but that's rather a lot of work.
23:23 eythian problem then is you have to develop things to talk to that service, and damned if I'm going to patch endnote :)
23:24 jcamins eythian: my version of EndNote supports CSL, I think.
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23:30 milts_nz tbh if you can get a nice RIS export, then you can use any one of dozens of applications to turn it into whatever you like
23:31 jcamins milts_nz: yeah, but a nice RIS export is something else entirely.
23:32 Space_Librarian good point
23:32 jcamins If you have to do the export more-or-less from scratch, might as well go with an open standard that goes straight into a citeproc server.
23:34 * jcamins would suggest the minion focus on a *working* RIS export.
23:35 jcamins (thankfully most users don't notice the problems in our RIS export, right now:)
23:36 milts_nz as you said it's not exactly the highest demand aspect of koha... and it works OK with books
23:36 milts_nz anyway, lunchtime, cheers for the help all!
23:41 eythian MARC::Record et al. make it unreasonably hard to renumber a field.
23:42 Space_Librarian you said it.
23:43 jcamins It sure does.
23:45 jcamins You should patch MARC::Record and send gmcharlt a pull request. :)
23:46 eythian that's what I'm thinking I might have to do.
23:47 eythian or, just do it the ugly way and create a new tag and reinsert it.
23:47 eythian I also can't see a source repo for MARC::*
23:47 jcamins There's one somewhere because I patched it.
23:48 jcamins I'll see if I can figure out where.
23:48 eythian oh, I've found a sourceforge page
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23:49 dhon_ hi all, I'm trying to setup a Koha server for developing a SIP client
23:49 dhon_ I'm using the VM "configured" image
23:50 eythian jcamins: found the sf git repo
23:51 dhon_ the image boots fine, but doesn't seem to be running a SIP2 server
23:51 dhon_ how do I start the SIP server?
23:51 dhon_ I've tried misc/bin/
23:51 eythian[…]SIP2_server_setup <-- dhon_, this may be useful
23:52 dhon_ and perl -IC4/SIP -MILS C4/SIP/ etc/SIPconfig.xml
23:52 dhon_ yeah I've read that, thanks
23:52 eythian OK
23:53 dhon_ launching via the "perl ...
23:53 dhon_ " command results in a bunch of missing koha-conf.xml messages
23:53 eythian ahh
23:53 eythian prefix with KOHA_CONF=/path/to/koha-conf.xml
23:53 jcamins eythian: excellent.
23:53 dhon_ and some perl compilation errors (?)
23:54 eythian yeah, they'll be related
23:54 dhon_ launching via the shell script complains that PERL5LIB is not defined
23:54 jcamins dhon_: you'll probably want to set both PERL5LIB and KOHA_CONF in your environment.
23:55 eythian Define PERL5LIB to be /path/to/directory-before-C4
23:55 dhon_ is there likely to be a script that does that for me?
23:55 jcamins Apparently not.
23:55 * jcamins has only used Kyle's VM once.
23:55 jcamins I would've expected it to have been set in .profile.
23:55 jcamins To confirm, are you running as the Koha user?
23:56 dhon_ yeah
23:56 jcamins Also, 3.8.5?
23:56 dhon_ seems to be installed to the /home/koha/kohaclone dir
23:56 dhon_ 3.8.something
23:56 jcamins Yup. That's my recollection.
23:56 dhon_ not sure, just downloaded it today
23:56 jcamins export PERL5LIB=/home/koha/kohaclone
23:56 jcamins export KOHA_CONF=/home/koha/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml
23:57 jcamins dhon_: downloading a recent version today is good. Not so good is having downloaded an ancient version a year ago. Our instructions in that case would be "download a recent version." ;)
23:57 dhon_ :)
23:58 dhon_[…]files/Koha_3.8.x/
23:58 dhon_ (was the download site)
23:59 dhon_ okay, so now ./misc/bin/ says "Please specify a config file and try again" - is this the SIPconfig.xml?
23:59 jcamins I think so.
23:59 dhon_ ooh! I think it worked

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