Time  Nick              Message
23:59 dhon_             ooh! I think it worked
23:59 jcamins           I think so.
23:59 dhon_             okay, so now ./misc/bin/sip_run.sh says "Please specify a config file and try again" - is this the SIPconfig.xml?
23:58 dhon_             (was the download site)
23:58 dhon_             http://sourceforge.net/projects/koha-va/files/Koha_3.8.x/
23:57 dhon_             :)
23:57 jcamins           dhon_: downloading a recent version today is good. Not so good is having downloaded an ancient version a year ago. Our instructions in that case would be "download a recent version." ;)
23:56 jcamins           export KOHA_CONF=/home/koha/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml
23:56 jcamins           export PERL5LIB=/home/koha/kohaclone
23:56 dhon_             not sure, just downloaded it today
23:56 jcamins           Yup. That's my recollection.
23:56 dhon_             3.8.something
23:56 dhon_             seems to be installed to the /home/koha/kohaclone dir
23:56 jcamins           Also, 3.8.5?
23:56 dhon_             yeah
23:55 jcamins           To confirm, are you running as the Koha user?
23:55 jcamins           I would've expected it to have been set in .profile.
23:55 * jcamins         has only used Kyle's VM once.
23:55 jcamins           Apparently not.
23:55 dhon_             is there likely to be a script that does that for me?
23:55 eythian           Define PERL5LIB to be /path/to/directory-before-C4
23:54 jcamins           dhon_: you'll probably want to set both PERL5LIB and KOHA_CONF in your environment.
23:54 dhon_             launching via the shell script complains that PERL5LIB is not defined
23:54 eythian           yeah, they'll be related
23:53 dhon_             and some perl compilation errors (?)
23:53 jcamins           eythian: excellent.
23:53 eythian           prefix with KOHA_CONF=/path/to/koha-conf.xml
23:53 eythian           ahh
23:53 dhon_             " command results in a bunch of missing koha-conf.xml messages
23:53 dhon_             launching via the "perl ...
23:52 eythian           OK
23:52 dhon_             yeah I've read that, thanks
23:52 dhon_             and perl -IC4/SIP -MILS C4/SIP/SIPServer.pm etc/SIPconfig.xml
23:51 eythian           http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_SIP2_server_setup <-- dhon_, this may be useful
23:51 dhon_             I've tried misc/bin/sip_run.sh
23:51 dhon_             how do I start the SIP server?
23:51 dhon_             the image boots fine, but doesn't seem to be running a SIP2 server
23:50 eythian           jcamins: found the sf git repo
23:49 dhon_             I'm using the VM "configured" image
23:49 dhon_             hi all, I'm trying to setup a Koha server for developing a SIP client
23:48 eythian           oh, I've found a sourceforge page
23:48 jcamins           I'll see if I can figure out where.
23:47 jcamins           There's one somewhere because I patched it.
23:47 eythian           I also can't see a source repo for MARC::*
23:47 eythian           or, just do it the ugly way and create a new tag and reinsert it.
23:46 eythian           that's what I'm thinking I might have to do.
23:45 jcamins           You should patch MARC::Record and send gmcharlt a pull request. :)
23:43 jcamins           It sure does.
23:42 Space_Librarian   you said it.
23:41 eythian           MARC::Record et al. make it unreasonably hard to renumber a field.
23:36 milts_nz          anyway, lunchtime, cheers for the help all!
23:36 milts_nz          as you said it's not exactly the highest demand aspect of koha... and it works OK with books
23:35 jcamins           (thankfully most users don't notice the problems in our RIS export, right now:)
23:34 * jcamins         would suggest the minion focus on a *working* RIS export.
23:32 jcamins           If you have to do the export more-or-less from scratch, might as well go with an open standard that goes straight into a citeproc server.
23:32 Space_Librarian   good point
23:31 jcamins           milts_nz: yeah, but a nice RIS export is something else entirely.
23:30 milts_nz          tbh if you can get a nice RIS export, then you can use any one of dozens of applications to turn it into whatever you like
23:24 jcamins           eythian: my version of EndNote supports CSL, I think.
23:23 eythian           problem then is you have to develop things to talk to that service, and damned if I'm going to patch endnote :)
23:22 jcamins           I favor a webservice to make milts_nz's job super-easy, but that's rather a lot of work.
23:22 eythian           I'll see, it might be that he gets stolen before too long.
23:21 eythian           yeah
23:21 eythian           I'd just make him talk to you :)
23:21 jcamins           Possibly a more manageable project would be RIS-improvement.
23:19 jcamins           lol
23:18 eythian           deep end, schmeep end
23:18 jcamins           eythian: your postgrad might not appreciate being asked to decode the semantics of the 76x-78x fields.
23:18 eythian           *who I could give...
23:17 Space_Librarian   I had pizza with Brooke on Monday. First time in ages.
23:17 eythian           (right now I'm just getting him started helping to improve OPAC accessability)
23:17 eythian           though I have a minion^Wpostgrad at the moment looking for project type work who I give those things to :)
23:16 eythian           jcamins: noted :)
23:16 jcamins           Space_Librarian: magnuse has pizza every Friday, and he's in Bodo, Norway.
23:14 Space_Librarian   I gathered. It must be an NY thing. :D
23:13 jcamins           Space_Librarian: I really like pizza...
23:13 jcamins           (I'm not sure why, I always put them away the same place)
23:12 jcamins           No one other than me can ever find the mixing bowls.
23:12 jcamins           Actually, my kitchen generally needs a map.
23:12 Space_Librarian   did somebody say metadata?
23:12 jcamins           Yeah... I'm thinking a map.
23:12 Space_Librarian   I always seem to catch you working on pizza, jcamins
23:11 milts_nz          jcamins:  the fork draw needs more metadata
23:10 jcamins           (I'm in New York, so it's 7pm and I'm currently working on pizza)
23:09 jcamins           The little forks were where the big forks belonged, and vice versa.
23:08 jcamins           We have big forks, and we have little forks.
23:08 jcamins           Our forks have swapped spaces again.
23:07 * jcamins         notes that he does subcontract, if Catalyst wants that development done. (psst: eythian)
23:06 milts_nz          it really would, especially given how many people are using CSL
23:05 jcamins           I think it would be exceedingly useful.
23:04 jcamins           My preferred solution would be to export a CSL-friendly format so that you could transform directly to MLA/APA/HTML directly from Koha.
23:04 milts_nz          oh I dunno...
23:03 jcamins           Sorry, just realized that UK was probably not an abbreviation for "King's Fund."
23:03 milts_nz          that's a point
23:03 jcamins           *King's Fund
23:03 jcamins           Ask Catalyst how they did it for UK?
23:03 jcamins           But apparently you managed.
23:03 milts_nz          :-/
23:02 jcamins           I can think of no way to get RIS export to work with analytics, no matter how they're coded.
23:02 jcamins           I'm not sure, but a very confused one.
23:02 milts_nz          and what shade is that exactly
23:01 jcamins           Color me perplexed.
23:01 milts_nz          and I suspect they have better data than us. So thanks, looks like we need to forget about article export at least for a while
23:01 milts_nz          yeah. It's actually not too bad - most of the core fields come across - but they do all require manual QC
23:00 jcamins           (I love Koha very much, but it does not do article citation export very well)
23:00 jcamins           And you haven't torn all your hair out trying to get the article citations into Endnote?
23:00 milts_nz          they're... special.
22:59 milts_nz          yes, king's fund runs on Koha
22:59 milts_nz          yeah I figured. I think that's partly why ms space librarian is looking to ship the data into the 700s
22:59 jcamins           milts_nz: with Koha?!?
22:59 milts_nz          actually, my other workplace uses it a fair amount - there's a health database in the UK (King's Fund) which we often export files from to endnote
22:59 jcamins           You're going to have a rough time of it with the data in 250 and 490 no matter what.
22:58 jcamins           To the best of my knowledge.
22:58 milts_nz          you are no longer alone...
22:58 milts_nz          lol
22:58 * jcamins         was the first.
22:58 jcamins           (data for articles)
22:58 jcamins           As far as I know, you're the second person to ever worry about exporting the data to citation managers.
22:58 milts_nz          I'm not convinced our leaders are set correctly. We've asked catalyst here in wellington and they suggested an alteration but we're unconvinced
22:57 milts_nz          to be fair, it is a library catalogue not an academic database...
22:57 jcamins           Yeah, I'm not surprised.
22:57 rambutan          and on that note, #init 0
22:57 milts_nz          it seems to be quite happy with book exports but articles really don't work neatly
22:57 jcamins           milts_nz: do you set LDR appropriately?
22:57 milts_nz          ok
22:57 rambutan          tnx
22:57 jcamins           Rather nightmarish format, really.
22:56 rambutan          enx
22:56 jcamins           rambutan: the first.
22:56 jcamins           And not at all if your records are coded as monographs.
22:56 jcamins           The COinS provides limited support, which wouldn't help much for Mendeley.
22:56 rambutan          Records Import Service?
22:56 rambutan          RIS is a standardized tag format developed by Research Information Systems????
22:56 Space_Librarian   Which I'm looking at getting mapped to the 700's
22:56 rambutan          >whatis RIS
22:55 milts_nz          currently all our data on volume, issue serial etc is in the 250 and 490 field
22:55 jcamins           It's not supported in RIS at all, at the moment.
22:55 milts_nz          I see
22:54 jcamins           rather poor.
22:54 jcamins           Sadly our support for exporting that data as anything other than MARC is...
22:53 jcamins           76x-78x are linking. 773 is the principle field for analytics (i.e. bibliographic items contained in another bibliographic item).
22:52 Space_Librarian   is this with the 760's? Because nobody's really been able to explain it to us, jcamins
22:52 Space_Librarian   we haven't had the serials set up in koha. yet.
22:52 milts_nz          sigh
22:52 milts_nz          ah
22:52 jcamins           Records for articles = analytics.
22:51 milts_nz          jcamins: not at this point. We plan to get around to it.
22:51 milts_nz          and it works awesome for the books, but we index articles too - and they come across as item type "book"
22:51 jcamins           But you use analytics, don't you?
22:50 milts_nz          that way you can export koha -> mendeley -> custom HTML format
22:50 milts_nz          well... we create a 'current awareness' blog about recently added Koha items, so I figured why not create a custom CSL style with HTML in it
22:49 Space_Librarian   lol
22:49 milts_nz          jcamins: haha.
22:49 jcamins           What's your question? :)
22:49 * jcamins         shudders
22:49 jcamins           It's...
22:49 jcamins           milts_nz: I'm familiar with Koha's RIS export.
22:49 milts_nz          yep.
22:49 Space_Librarian   You guys should see what milts_nz can do with Mendeley though.
22:49 jcamins           milts_nz: uh-oh.
22:48 milts_nz          I've got a question about Koha RIS exports...
22:48 milts_nz          Hey, does anyone here use Mendeley or Zotero?
22:47 Space_Librarian   fair enough.
22:47 jcamins           I have this _thing_ about making the same thing twice.
22:47 Space_Librarian   I have missed hearing about your culinary creations.
22:47 jcamins           And this is just another day of Jared cooking for the Camins household.
22:46 jcamins           Hehe.
22:45 Space_Librarian   I like it.
22:45 wajasu            brand it   Artikale (with an accent over the e).
22:45 * Space_Librarian is surprised at this considered revelation
22:44 Space_Librarian   I actually think an artichoke-kale pizza would work really well.
22:44 Space_Librarian   I'm just in stunned amazement
22:43 jcamins           Nah. I don't like okra.
22:43 * jcamins         senses a distinct lack of enthusiasm from the direction of Wellington, NZ.
22:43 wajasu            Okra?
22:41 jcamins           Oh, yes please! Artichoke-kale pizza.
22:40 jcamins           Artichokes!
22:40 jcamins           Ooooooooooooooooooohh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
22:40 wajasu            kale and collard greens
22:40 jcamins           Mozzarella, garlic, and sundried tomatoes if we have any.
22:40 Space_Librarian   Kale and...?
22:40 jcamins           Kale is the way to go!
22:40 Space_Librarian   :s que?
22:40 jcamins           Forget tomato sauce.
22:40 Space_Librarian   I guess that may work.
22:40 jcamins           Yes.
22:40 Space_Librarian   really?
22:39 jcamins           :D
22:39 jcamins           With kale!
22:39 Space_Librarian   mmmm pizza
22:39 jcamins           Pizza.
22:39 jcamins           You know what is required?
22:39 huginn            Space_Librarian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (11:00 AM NZDT on October 12, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
22:39 Space_Librarian   @wunder Wellington, NZ
22:39 Space_Librarian   Hello #koha
22:39 jcamins           Just errors.
22:39 jcamins           No error pages under Plack.
22:39 Space_Librarian   Yes!
22:38 jcamins           You could be running Plack.
22:38 jcamins           Could be worse.
22:38 wajasu            i hate seeing error pages.
22:37 wajasu            thx
22:37 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8909 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , MARC21 240$a (Uniform title) is not a URL
22:37 jcamins           Bug 8909
22:37 jcamins           Librarians in space!
22:36 jcamins           That's because it's keyword searches.
22:36 wajasu            the tracing returns a lot more results though.   the non-tracing is only giving me up to 2 results.
22:35 jcamins           If you can do it, that's best.
22:35 jcamins           Yeah.
22:35 jcamins           Ah.
22:35 wajasu            the tracings syspref is what i was refering to.
22:35 jcamins           Alternate search?
22:34 wajasu            so i think i should stay with that instead of the alternate search. , and have my libraruian maintin authority subject headings from now on.
22:34 jcamins           Excellent!
22:31 wajasu            ok. another bit.  i did the 3.0 to pre 3.10 master upgrade, and wiped my authrecs, and rebuild, link_bibs_to_auths, rebuild, so now my RLIN auth links are working for subject headings.
22:29 jcamins           wajasu: yeah, I confirmed it. Otherwise I wouldn't know what the heck was going on.
22:28 * drojf           wanders off to bed
22:28 wajasu            its on master
22:28 jcamins           wajasu: sure.
22:28 jcamins           drojf: I agree.
22:28 drojf             i say MARC did it
22:28 wajasu            can you write up the bug, since you can explain it better?  "i.e, e.g, aka.   the default framework...     :)
22:27 jcamins           The default frameworks are wrong.
22:27 jcamins           Never has been, never will be.
22:27 jcamins           240 is not a URL.
22:27 jcamins           Bug.
22:27 jcamins           Okay, yes I do.
22:26 jcamins           I don't even understand how that could happen.
22:26 wajasu            is it a  rewrite thing?
22:26 jcamins           Odd.
22:25 wajasu            http://192.168.122.28:8080/cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/Menschwerdung%20Gottes.   for the link
22:25 wajasu            http://192.168.122.28:8080/cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/MARCdetail.pl?biblionumber=484
22:25 wajasu            with  ?biblionumber=###
22:25 jcamins           *MARCDetail*?
22:25 wajasu            MARCDetail.pl
22:25 jcamins           Detail page, yes?
22:24 jcamins           Lemme see if I have anything with a uniform title readily available.
22:24 wajasu            if you have a running master, maybe you can confirm it.   or maybe i should just look at the code.
22:23 wajasu            it like that for all biblios i find with a uniform title.
22:23 jcamins           Okay, bug in regular mode, then.
22:23 wajasu            just statdard master dev install.
22:23 wajasu            no XSLT
22:22 jcamins           XSLT mode?
22:22 eythian           hi
22:22 jcamins           Not even slightly.
22:21 wajasu            jcamins: i was pulling up a biblio (ISBN 0567093522) which has 240a (uniform title)  showing as a link ,and the URL is: http://192.168.122.28:8080/cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/Menschwerdung%20Gottes.  which results in an error page.  does that link look correct?
22:15 gml               thanks for the help
22:12 jcamins           I suppose I can see a use for it, but if a book is very popular I'd expect there to be holds on it, and, if there aren't, I wouldn't see any reason why someone couldn't check out two copies of a book so that they could read it without their son/daughter stealing it.
22:11 jcamins           No, I don't think so.
22:10 gml               it's a wrong behavior in koha, I think
22:09 jcamins           No.
22:09 gml               is there a system preference for avoiding a patron does not checkout two items from the same biblio?
22:09 jcamins           Hello.
22:08 gml               hi everyone
22:07 jcamins           Who is that, and can we get him/her to submit a patch?
22:07 jcamins           Definitely a bug.
22:07 jcamins           Yup.
22:07 jcamins           Huh.
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22:02 jcamins           That'll be the day.
22:02 jcamins           lol
22:02 rambutan          I suspect someday catalogers will be able to just dump all the record data into a plaintext file w/in the db and google will have an intelligent indexer/retrieval algorithm (called camel) to pull the item
21:59 jcamins           Actually, they don't teach you enough about MARC to know what to do with a record if you just take the normal courses, I think.
21:58 rambutan          on the other hand, you need an MLS to understand marc
21:57 rambutan          my outsider observation on lib school is that you have to have an MLS just to be called a librarian. In business terms, that's a barrier to entry
21:53 jcamins           [off] (that I'm ever asked this question)
21:53 jcamins           [off] I think this will probably be the last time.
21:53 jcamins           [off] I was asked to give a prospective library student some of my thoughts on library school...
21:52 rambutan          well, heck I misspelled "marc" the first time
21:52 rambutan          tnx
21:51 huginn            jcamins: The control number assigned by the organization creating, using, or distributing the record. The MARC code for the organization is contained in field 003 (Control Number Identifier). []
21:51 jcamins           @marc 001
21:51 wahanui           rambutan: excuse me?
21:51 rambutan          wahanui marc 001
21:51 huginn            rambutan: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
21:51 rambutan          @mark 001
21:42 wizzyrea          hmm
21:39 jcamins           [off] I am faced with a conundrum. He actually asked the right questions. Do I respond, presuming he's in a paying attention sort of mood, or just let it go because it never ends well?
21:16 drojf             openwrt++
21:16 drojf             looking good so far
21:03 cait              ah right
21:03 drojf             i even spent half the time finding the checksum to compare
21:02 jcamins           cait: that drojf just flashed his router that quickly.
21:02 drojf             cait: ?
21:01 cait              hm?
20:59 drojf             yes i felt the same last time :)
20:59 drojf             and for all our kids at the screens: don#t do this at home
20:59 jcamins           Color me impressed.
20:58 jcamins           Wow.
20:58 jcamins           That was it?
20:58 drojf             could have turned out worse
20:53 drojf             see you soonish. or, one day
20:53 drojf             well, why not. goodbye #koha ;)
20:49 drojf             "If your attempt to install OpenWrt fails, generic.debrick could help you. " now we're talking…
20:47 * jcamins         will bid you goodnight before you start the update.
20:46 drojf             i remember i waited longish before the last update and it was ridiculously easy and fast in hindsight
20:45 drojf             :)
20:45 jcamins           drojf's connection drops.
20:45 drojf             sounds like
20:45 jcamins           *click*
20:45 drojf             " * Vastly improved ath9k driver stability and performance" sounds what i need
20:45 jcamins           Absolutely.
20:45 jcamins           lol
20:44 drojf             spontaneously update openwrt on my rooter to a beta version at night? sounds reasonable
20:26 drojf             my_internet--
20:17 oleonard          See y'all later
20:11 cait              yay :)
20:10 jcamins           I have working init scripts.
20:10 jcamins           Yay!
19:58 jcamins           My Plack startup script is incompatible with init.
19:58 jcamins           Okay... this is annoying.
19:56 wizzyrea          i know oleonard played it
19:56 cait              oh
19:55 wizzyrea          it's from a game - Portal
19:55 cait              but what exactly is it?
19:55 cait              ok, I see the cube
19:51 oleonard          8)
19:51 wizzyrea          hehehehehehehe
19:51 oleonard          Cute? You're talking to the guy who disposed of his weighted companion cube in record time.
19:50 jcamins           I guess I should make Zebra and Plack start automatically.
19:50 wizzyrea          but it's SO CUTE
19:49 wizzyrea          :D
19:49 oleonard          That is a tiny tiny companion cube wizzyrea
19:48 jcamins           Hehe.
19:47 cait              baguette has a good dvd collection I heard
19:47 wizzyrea          oleonard: http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/boingboing/iBag/~3/rHiEYmsyWeY/portal-gun-that-can-levitate-a.html
19:46 drojf             les freedom fries
19:44 cait              name them after french food ? :)
19:44 drojf             lol
19:43 jcamins           Hehe.
19:43 oleonard          toss in a few accents jcamins and no one will be the wiser
19:42 jcamins           Reindexing 213k authorities.
19:42 jcamins           *MARC21
19:42 jcamins           Or just copies the sample branches from English UNIMARC. :P
19:42 drojf             maybe one day someone gets really bored and makes sample data for the installer from that
19:42 jcamins           Maybe I can persuade Joubu to share the data he uses for testing.
19:41 drojf             i was thinking of branch data actually, but it seems there is everything in one sql file
19:40 jcamins           I don't like the sandbox UNIMARC data.
19:40 jcamins           Yeah.
19:40 drojf             ah, i was probably thinking about the sandbox data
19:40 jcamins           I need some UNIMARC data.
19:38 jcamins           drojf: now that I think about it, I recall a conversation about a test always failing because French UNIMARC didn't have sample branches.
19:38 drojf             maybe on the wiki or bugzilla?
19:38 drojf             i thought i had seen data for that somewhere
19:37 jcamins           It would seem not.
19:36 cait              don't know
19:36 jcamins           There are no sample branches for French UNIMARC?
19:33 jcamins           I had to restart Plack, though, which seems less than optimal.
19:33 cait              heh
19:33 jcamins           I escaped!
19:33 jcamins           Hooray!
19:32 jcamins           I'm caught in a loop.
19:32 jcamins           Bother.
19:30 cait              oleonard++ :)
19:30 drojf             not that i know. i don't think it would be different from installing in any other non-english language
19:30 cait              that's all
19:30 cait              nope
19:30 jcamins           Just wanted confirmation that there wasn't a special step required.
19:30 jcamins           drojf: that's what I'm trying.
19:29 drojf             jcamins: install french language before running the installer?
19:28 jcamins           How do I run the installer in French?
19:25 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8906 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Improve OAI management interface
19:25 oleonard          Fans of OAI can now test Bug 8906
19:15 drojf             they don't want to do something completely different, they only want you to follow the way they do it :P
19:14 jcamins           drojf: you'd think if they were going to do something crazy that made their authorities incompatible with everyone else that they'd at least use a format that wasn't MARC, wouldn't you?
19:10 drojf             that sounds very german
19:10 drojf             lol
19:10 jcamins           It's just entered in a way as to be utterly useless to anyone who isn't at the DNB.
19:10 drojf             germans wouldn't do anything crazy…
19:09 jcamins           It has great information.
19:09 cait              the problem is the data structure is a bit germany specific
19:09 jcamins           It does.
19:09 cait              it's has lots of interesting information
19:09 jcamins           drojf: nearly.
19:09 cait              I didn't say that.
19:08 drojf             GND as worst case scenario?
19:08 jcamins           It does.
19:08 cait              but it shkes out bugs :P
19:08 cait              you told me so before
19:08 jcamins           cait: also, your GND data is absurd.
19:08 cait              excellent!
19:08 jcamins           cait: your GND data has shaken out a bug in some of the authority code. Well done.
18:59 drojf             [off] http://www.koha-support.ch/typo3temp/pics/RollupImGrasSchmal_6bf237d874.jpg
18:59 drojf             oh its open-source bibliothekssystem really
18:59 cait              :)
18:59 cait              yep
18:59 drojf             maybe not in swiss german :D
18:59 cait              if you mix german and english you have to put in -
18:58 cait              it should be open-source-bibliothekssystem according to duden
18:58 cait              hm
18:58 drojf             mveron and mbalmer have "open source bibliothekssystem"
18:53 drojf             magnuse even has "the free library system" in norwegian. "Das freie Bibliothekssystem". hm
18:50 cait              hehe
18:49 drojf             "quelloffenes bibliotheksverwaltungssystem mit freier lizenz"
18:48 cait              heh
18:48 drojf             depends on how big the rest is. if you would print it on a hot-air balloon…
18:47 cait              and it will never fit down there in a readable size
18:47 cait              yes, it's horrible
18:47 cait              did it on purpose :)
18:47 drojf             cait: "Open-Source-Bibliotheksmanagementsystem" is horrible ;)
18:46 drojf             oleonard: i was thinking about propaganda material ;) but it would be cool to have it change in the software too actually
18:45 cait              drojf: thought so :) was trying to rmember what I created back then
18:45 jcamins_away      drojf: oh, I never noticed that.
18:44 drojf             mine will be free, not open source ;)
18:43 drojf             cait: i was thinking "Freies Bibliothekssystem"
18:43 cait              freies bibliothekssystem or Open-Source-Bibliotheksmanagementsystem ?
18:43 cait              have to be careful to not make it too long
18:43 drojf             jcamins_away: free software library system. open source library system …
18:43 cait              drojf: our first flyer had one
18:43 jcamins_away      The Koha logo has a catchphrase?
18:42 oleonard          I suppose we could do something like koha-log-[% lang %].png ?
18:40 drojf             ah cool, thanks oleonard. looking in the source was too obvious :)
18:38 oleonard          drojf: /misc/interface_customization
18:35 huginn            drojf: The operation succeeded.
18:35 drojf             @later tell slef i think you had vectorized koha logos ready? if that's correct, are they available somewhere?
18:32 drojf             cait: do you use a translated version of the koha logo catch phrase?
18:25 drojf             slef: i think you had vectorized koha logos ready? if that's correct, are they available somewhere?
18:25 huginn            druthb: The current temperature in Near Lawrence High School, Lawrence, Kansas is 21.6°C (1:19 PM CDT on October 11, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 23%. Dew Point: -0.0°C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018 hPa (Falling).
18:25 druthb            @wunder 66046
18:16 huginn            cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 12.6°C (8:10 PM CEST on October 11, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady).
18:16 cait              @wunder Konstanz
18:14 huginn            drojf: The current temperature in Berlin, Germany is 8.8°C (8:00 PM CEST on October 11, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
18:14 drojf             @wunder berlin, germany
18:13 cait              hi drojf :)
18:13 drojf             hey cait
18:05 cait              hi druthb :)
18:05 druthb            hi, cait.  :)
18:05 cait              hi #koha
17:55 drojf             what happened to the mailing list? i did not get anything in > 9 hours. koha problems solved world wide?
17:53 huginn            drojf: Quote #4: "< kf> I often get asked: You have to study to be a librarian? perhaps MARC was invented to answer it ;)" (added by chris at 12:50 PM, June 12, 2009)
17:53 drojf             @quote random
17:51 drojf             hated by everyone
17:51 drojf             that poor marc guy
17:49 huginn            wizzyrea: Quote #136: "<sekjal> MARC. Must. Die!" (added by wizzyrea at 06:18 PM, May 26, 2011)
17:49 wizzyrea          @quote random
17:29 libsysguy         so it is
17:29 drojf             ev'nin'
17:26 libsysguy         it has a very flat feel now
17:26 oleonard          Yup
17:26 libsysguy         whoa oleonard have you noticed the jqueryui page
17:19 huginn            druthb: Quote #177: "oleonard: If Buck Rogers used IRC he'd put bip on Twiki and tell Twiki to never sleep." (added by wizzyrea at 04:43 PM, January 10, 2012)
17:19 druthb            @quote random
17:18 kf                bye all :)
17:05 huginn            gmcharlt: Quote #54: "<@gmcharlt> from my POV, bug wrangling expands to fill all available volunteers" (added by jwagner at 08:05 PM, February 09, 2010)
17:05 gmcharlt          @quote random
16:50 kf                like oleonard said, we don't get any gadgets :(
16:50 kf                rambutan: it's unlikely he knows something rally
16:48 rambutan          When I go to trade shows I get all kinds and colors of pencils and sometimes pens.
16:48 mtompset          Have a good day (24 hour period), everyone.
16:48 oleonard          Yeah, those people usually get two
16:47 rambutan          especially those working in library-associated organizatioins?
16:47 mtompset          Well, I think that's my signal to go to bed.
16:47 oleonard          I thought everyone in Germany with a computer got pre-production models of computer-related gadgets?
16:47 rambutan          ok, I'll ping him later
16:46 kf                maybe ask droifj then - he is in the same city at least :)
16:46 kf                aah
16:46 rambutan          German company? txtr, Rosenthaler Strasse 13, Berlin 10119, Germany
16:45 kf                I am not working for bywater if that is about the message earlier :)
16:45 * kf              is cait
16:45 kf                rambutan: why me?
16:44 huginn            rambutan: The operation succeeded.
16:44 rambutan          @later tell cait maybe cait has some pre-production samples of the Txtr Beagle?
16:42 rambutan          maybe cait has some pre-production samples of the Txtr Beagle?
16:37 rambutan          I saw the Txtr Beagls in the news recently. Bare bones, but they might be great for checking out ereaders to patrons--comparable in many ways to Playaways
16:21 tweetbot`         [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "$13 Txtr Beagle Is World’s Cheapest and Smallest E-Reader http://t.co/BdFj0tAj #kohails"
16:08 gaetan_B          bye
16:06 libsysguy         for all the dub drake fans http://soundcloud.com/nerouk/forever-nero-remix
15:54 oleonard          Sorry WV.
15:54 oleonard          I think Missouri is ahead though, having both Kansas City (MO) and St. Louis.
15:53 wizzyrea          but that is awesome.
15:53 wizzyrea          I didn't!
15:53 oleonard          wizzyrea: Did you know all the jokes Kansans say about Missouri Ohioans tell about West Virginia?
15:52 wizzyrea          but it would be SO FUNNY.
15:52 wizzyrea          because I was born in missouri
15:52 jcamins           libsysguy: I would've thought that the squirrel would hit the ground wire at some point.
15:52 libsysguy         oh
15:52 wizzyrea          i am trying so hard to not make a joke about missouri people eating squirrel.
15:52 jcamins           libsysguy: I know.
15:52 libsysguy         and the power going out
15:52 libsysguy         via power lines
15:51 libsysguy         jcamins he's talking about cooking squirrels
15:51 jcamins           Huh.
15:50 rambutan          jcamins: usually they get french fried immediately (it's happened a couple of times), but this time apparently they weren't touching a ground wire, so we didn't see any corpses.
15:47 libsysguy         heh
15:47 liw               libsysguy, /msg NickServ help :)
15:47 libsysguy         :p
15:47 libsysguy         but i couldn't remember the command
15:47 jcamins           That reminds me. I need to identify this server to Nickserv.
15:47 libsysguy         liw I was trying to identify
15:47 jcamins           rambutan: a squirrel? How did it survive long enough to chew through?
15:47 liw               using the NickServ service on OFTC allows you to register a nick and identify yourself to NickServ and then ask NickServ kick out your nick if you get disconnected and reconnect with a diffent nick
15:46 wizzyrea          I can't kick you from the server entirely
15:46 rambutan          squirrel chewed a our power lines out yesterday. We had four big bucket-lift power trucks out here--power was out for 3 hours
15:46 wizzyrea          oh, well I kicked you but you were still connected to the server I bet
15:46 libsysguy         it said it was already in use
15:46 libsysguy         me*
15:46 libsysguy         it wouldn't let it
15:45 jcamins           libsysguy: did you know you can just change your nick?
15:43 libsysguy1        the grids get stressed down here
15:43 libsysguy1        yeah…welcome to texas
15:43 jcamins           Your power went out at 9:40am on a Thursday?
15:43 wizzyrea          man I don't get to do that very often :D
15:43 libsysguy1        I was now libsysguy1
15:43 wizzyrea          u got it :)
15:43 libsysguy1        so when it came back
15:42 libsysguy1        yeah the power went out and reset everything
15:42 jcamins           Your power cut out?
15:42 libsysguy1        my power cut out
15:42 libsysguy1        wizzyrea can you kick libsysguy
15:40 wizzyrea          never min.d
15:39 wizzyrea          (i mean - it's morning here)
15:39 rambutan          there you go. morning has a majority, must be right
15:39 wizzyrea          :)
15:38 wizzyrea          rambutan is in my timezone - it's morning.
15:38 mtompset          Depends on where you are, but yes it is somewhere, rambutan. :)
15:38 rambutan          mtompset: morning
15:32 wizzyrea          ohh good pt
15:32 druthb            yeah...with the new do! :D
15:28 wizzyrea          naw
15:26 druthb            I really need a new picture.  hm.
15:25 wahanui           you are http://about.me/druthb
15:25 druthb            wahanui: druthb?
15:24 mtompset          Ah... not windows updates, I hope. Those are painful. :)
15:24 tweetbot`         [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "New ByWater News Emails http://t.co/8n2PDjgr #kohails"
15:22 edveal            :)
15:22 wizzyrea          computer updates
15:22 druthb            :)
15:22 wahanui           i heard edveal was good friends with Ruth (DRuth) and have been for years.
15:22 druthb            wahanui: edveal?
15:22 mtompset          updates, wizzyrea? What updates?
15:21 mtompset          Why does 'hey <name>' trigger the same thing as '<name>?' ?
15:20 wahanui           i guess mtompset is disliking the silent warnings flooding his error logs.
15:20 trea              hey mtompset
15:19 wahanui           hello, edveal
15:19 edveal            Hello
15:18 wizzyrea          phew. updates took forever :)
15:18 NateC             Hiya! :D
15:18 mtompset          Greetings, trea edveal rambutan and NateC too. :)
15:18 mtompset          Greetings, wizzyrea.
14:23 mtompset          Actually, that reminds me of a cover photo of a friend recently. Something about a being that stared back in hopes of finding the origin of the universe and it triggered the creation of the multiverses.
14:10 wizzyrea          also good <time of day>
14:10 jcamins           Bad as it was.
14:10 * jcamins         knew someone would appreciate the joke.
14:09 * wizzyrea        laughs
14:09 jcamins           Oh my god- it's full of stars!
14:08 gmcharlt          gaahh!
14:08 huginn            gmcharlt: Quote #184: "slef: IF YOU STARE TOO DEEPLY INTO MARC21, MARC21 STARES BACK INTO YOU!" (added by wizzyrea at 06:58 PM, January 30, 2012)
14:08 gmcharlt          @quote random
14:06 trea              heh
14:05 jcamins           drojf: OAI comes from "phOtovoltAIc."
14:04 drojf             you can harvest sun with OAI?
14:00 kf                lol
13:53 magnuse           well, maybe tomorrow, now it's time to try and catch some sun before it (oai) sets
13:53 magnuse           ah
13:52 oleonard          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_wishes_were_horses,_beggars_would_ride
13:51 magnuse           huh? :-)
13:50 oleonard          If wishes were horses guided reports would be the American west in the 1800s.
13:49 * magnuse         wishes the functionality in reports/guided_reports.pl was nicely encapsulated in subroutines ;-)
13:45 paul_p            jcamins to answer your question = nope
13:45 paul_p            good morning Release Manager ;-)
13:45 jcamins           paul_p: have you figured out how to include referrer information in your Plack logs?
13:24 magnuse           np oleonard
13:23 oleonard          Thanks magnuse, my page-scanning isn't working well this morning
13:23 magnuse           and it's used by oai
13:23 magnuse           the standard says it should be repeatble
13:23 magnuse           "a setDescription -- an optional and repeatable container"
13:21 oleonard          Do you know if the description field is internal to Koha or used by OAI? I'm wondering why one can add multiple descriptions
13:20 magnuse           it's just an id
13:20 magnuse           yeah, looks like setSpec is pretty arbitrary too
13:19 magnuse           setname is just a name, at least
13:18 magnuse           oleonard: the official definitions are here: http://www.openarchives.org/OAI/openarchivesprotocol.html#Set
13:17 magnuse           um, let me check
13:17 oleonard          magnuse: Are the "setSpec" and "setName" values arbitrary? Identifiers you give to the external application?
13:14 huginn            druthb: "rangi": 677, "oleonard": 571, "jcamins": 426, "wizzyrea": 352, "cait": 325, "gmcharlt": 324, "chris_n": 309, "paul_p": 258, "sekjal": 245, "nengard": 228, "kf": 214, "magnuse": 182, "slef": 163, "druthb": 148, "eythian": 139, "fredericd": 89, "hdl": 69, "biblibre": 65, "marcelr": 64, "hdl_laptop": 60, "mveron": 54, "mtj": 54, "jwagner": 54, "thd": 47, and "kmkale": 46
13:14 druthb            @most increased
13:14 huginn            druthb: Highest karma: "rangi" (672), "oleonard" (566), and "jcamins" (424).  Lowest karma: "<!" (-111), "failed" (-94), and "-" (-66).  You (druthb) are ranked 14 out of 2258.
13:14 druthb            @karma
13:13 drojf             #koha++
13:13 drojf             and again one of the many questionmarks about koha stuff (from the bottom of my list) solved
13:13 magnuse           or all the dvds or all the printed books or...
13:13 oleonard          I wonder if the description field is hidden by default in the interface because one should not submit an empty value or if that's just for sparkle.
13:13 magnuse           so as kf said, one set could be the records for all the theses in your catalogue
13:12 magnuse           OAI sets lets you define subsets of your data to share
13:12 kf                oleonard++
13:12 oleonard          That's why I'm wondering about it
13:12 kf                nice!!
13:12 oleonard          Just what I'm doing kf
13:12 kf                the interface for deifning sets could use some of your magic :)
13:12 magnuse           oleonard: OAI-PMH is "a way to share Koha data with external applications"
13:11 kf                oleonard: why are you asking?
13:11 kf                because people at the workshop had asked bout it
13:10 kf                I asked magnuse to explain it to me a bit ago :)
13:10 kf                yes
13:10 kf                oai can not really search, but it can work with those sets or the creation/change dates of records
13:10 oleonard          So it's a way to share Koha data with external applications?
13:10 kf                like let people harvest all thesis records for a central server
13:10 kf                oleonard: you can harvest records with oai - you can harvest all of them or you can define sets
13:09 kf                oleonard: hm kind of a part of your collection
12:56 mtompset          (I'm guessing. I don't know)
12:56 mtompset          Open Archives Initiative? Maybe this will help? https://wiki.duraspace.org/display/DSPACE/OAI+Sets+Generalisation
12:55 oleonard          What is an OAI set?
12:53 oleonard          I don't see how it would mtompset. It's about minifying the file sent to your browser, but your browser would still cache it
12:51 mtompset          Wouldn't that help solve stale javascript/css?
12:50 oleonard          Why mtompset?
12:50 kf                hi ms translation manager :)
12:49 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1918 enhancement, P3, ---, dpavlin, In Discussion , Minify JavaScript and CSS
12:49 mtompset          Oooo... bug 1918 if it gets live may address the browser cache headache I hit yesterday.
12:46 druthb            Bah.
12:46 druthb            :P
12:45 magnuse           o/
12:45 mtompset          All hail the Translation Manager. ;)
12:45 mtompset          Going to miss Christmas in the Philippines with my only surviving parent (mother-in-law). :(
12:41 mtompset          www.canil.ca
12:41 mtompset          I met them while studying at CanIL.
12:39 magnuse           cool
12:39 mtompset          magnuse: I have friends in Norway who are also Wycliffe members. :)
12:37 mtompset          [off] if anyone is interested, I can provide donation information off channel.
12:36 mtompset          [off] they were probably seconded to an SIL organization while there, jcamins.
12:35 jcamins           [off] Oh, I knew a bunch of people somewhat associated with Wycliffe in Afghanistan.
12:35 mtompset          [off] Yes, all donations made to the Wycliffe office nearest you allows specifying who it is for. :)
12:34 oleonard          [off] Is there a memo field where one could write "for mtompset" ? :)
12:33 mtompset          [off] there is a Wycliffe Norway, through which you could donate. ;)
12:33 magnuse           mtompset: norway
12:33 mtompset          [off] it is completely based on donations... no donations, no income.
12:33 oleonard          [off] Is your financial support usually through donations mtompset?
12:33 mtompset          What country are you in magnuse? ;)
12:32 * magnuse         hopes mtompset will return to koha quickly then :-)
12:32 mtompset          [off] I probably will be off Koha for a short period of time, as our support level will drop (due to higher financial need) when my family and I return to Canada.
12:31 mtompset          [off] I am a member of WBTC (wycliffe.ca) seconded to SIL Asia Area. I am required to raise 100% of my financial support to take up the software developement role that I provide for these organizations.
12:28 * magnuse         gets curious
12:27 mtompset          Though, Koha is not the only project I work on.
12:27 mtompset          It just is dependent on raising enough financial partners.
12:27 mtompset          However, that doesn't mean I won't be working still on Koha.
12:27 mtompset          My term in the Philippines is complete.
12:26 oleonard          wiki says you're flying to Canada mtompset--your job in Philippines done?
12:24 mtompset          The meeting is past, we know the new date and time. :)
12:24 oleonard          Yes
12:24 mtompset          Have you topic changing powers?
12:23 oleonard          Hi
12:23 mtompset          Greetings, oleonard.
12:19 mtompset          Greetings, #koha.
12:15 kf                yay :)
12:14 jcamins           My apt repo is working!
12:14 jcamins           Woohoo!
12:14 jcamins           Yup.
12:12 kf                after the roman numbers
12:12 jcamins           I just noticed that I had it misnumbered and corrected it.
12:12 kf                oh
12:11 kf                only g?
12:11 kf                there is no h?
12:11 * jcamins         didn't know it would do that.
12:11 jcamins           Yes, the wiki insists on adding its own.
12:11 kf                the numbering is confusing me
12:11 kf                hm
12:09 jcamins           1(h)
12:07 jcamins           That's the one!
12:07 wahanui           i think search rewrite is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/C_&_P_Search_Rewrite_RFC
12:07 kf                search rewrite?
12:07 kf                hm this search rewrite?
12:06 magnuse           ooh, cool :-)
12:05 jcamins           magnuse: as it happens, someone does. There's this search rewrite getting started that will add that. ;)
12:04 magnuse           jcamins: anyone got any plans for indexing authorities with solr?
12:02 kf                but you won :)
12:01 jcamins           Heh.
12:01 drojf             jcamins: using a windows computer is always fun. had a fight with the encryption plugin
12:00 jcamins           drojf: that good?
11:59 drojf             meh
11:51 kf_afk            ah
11:50 wahanui           i think no authorities is added
11:50 jcamins           No authorities.
11:50 jcamins           kf_afk: well, items are part of bibs, indexing-wise.
11:49 kf_afk            jcamins: only bibs? no items or no authorities?
11:49 jcamins           Viktor: one point about Solr: it supports only bibs.
11:47 jcamins           Good morning, #koha.
10:59 kf_afk            wb drojf :)
10:43 kf_afk            coworkers++
10:21 WaqarAzeem        for debugging
10:21 WaqarAzeem        Is there any way to print the variable values somewhere direcly from .pl files (currently what i am doing is making a string 'my strdebug' and passing it to the template).  Any better alternative to put the variable values in a file or on the browser (error like 500).
09:47 drojf             (aka berlin underground)
09:47 drojf             to the drojf mobile!
09:47 magnuse           that was quick :-)
09:47 * drojf           wanders off
09:45 drojf             wut?
09:43 jiwaji            how to see my opac in koha 3.06
09:40 magnuse           Viktor: if you want to hang out you might want to consider an irc client that does not time out ;-)
09:39 kf                no I don't think we have a translation
09:39 kf                sorry afk a lot today
09:39 * drojf           hands Viktor the duct tape
09:28 drojf             lol
09:26 * magnuse         thinks Viktor should get a better client than mibbit, if he wants to hang out ;-)
09:21 drojf             Viktor: where is the library school you were talking about?
09:16 drojf             kf: do we have an official translation for "bug wrangler"? ;)
09:14 rangi             Member of the Koha Community (url)
09:14 rangi             Bug Wrangler for version 3.12
09:14 rangi             you could get
09:13 rangi             yep
09:13 drojf             s/rase/raise
09:13 drojf             Viktor and rangi: yes something about community (having the url of koha-community.org on it somehow too would have the nice effect of people not googleing the wrong website). i just would not want to rase the idea that "i make koha" or "i work for the koha company". our concept of development is quite strange to many people here.
09:13 kf                good morning to you too :)
09:13 kf                lol
09:11 magnuse           Viktor: ses also http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/C_&_P_Search_Rewrite_RFC
09:10 drojf             good morning her highness, the managerin of quality assurance, kf
09:09 magnuse           that is "pushed to master" and master = what will become 3.10
09:08 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8233 major, P2, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , New search engine layer - introduce solr without breaking anything else
09:08 magnuse           Viktor: see bug 8233
09:08 rangi             hi kf
09:08 kf                hi all :)
09:08 magnuse           Viktor: yeah, the experimental solr stuff will be in 3.10 i think, your install is 3.8.5
09:07 tweetbot`         [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails  Elections de l'équipe Koha pour la prochaine version http://t.co/H31EjfhQ"
09:06 rangi             drojf: seems fine to me
09:06 magnuse           hiya Viktor
09:06 Viktor            Why not have a "This is me as a part of the Koha-community" card - while also being clear with your official position at the univ?
09:06 Viktor            Good question drojf - I have done some Koha-stuff while not working at my regular job and had to strike a balance.
09:02 Viktor            Is it installed in the standard installations nowdays? I have a private test-install from magnuse. I think it´s installed from the Debian package.
09:01 drojf             [off] i wonder if i should print business cards with the koha logo on it for the workshop we will be doing since i'm not doing that as part of my university job. would that be weird? not sure what to write on it too, i could translate "bug wrangler" to german ;)
09:01 Viktor            That is great! paul_p
09:00 paul_p            Viktor = you're right. With koha/solr, you can define your indexes in Koha directly
09:00 Viktor            I'll try to get a hold of her tomorrow or during the weekend.
08:59 Viktor            and drojf
08:59 Viktor            Thanks paul_p
08:59 Viktor            If I remember correctly SOLR allows more "hands on" work with indexing in a graphical interface. While Zebra is CLI only.
08:59 paul_p            drojf = yep. I'm sure it will be for next release !
08:58 paul_p            Viktor = for Solr questions , you should ask clrh (but she's at a conference today)
08:58 drojf             paul_p: weird, that is an integral part of irc as i use it
08:58 Viktor            I´m talking to the biggest library school of sweden on monday and they are interested in having their students being able to fool around with the indexing.
08:58 paul_p            drojf i'm back with xchat. I couldn't explain thunderbird chat module that he should notify any personal yelling.
08:57 drojf             oh look it worked with just one mention. hey paul_p ;)
08:57 Viktor            :) drojf
08:57 paul_p            hi Viktor
08:57 Viktor            Sorry to just pop in with questions like this - will try to keep up a social presence also in the future :)
08:56 drojf             Viktor: shout paul_p three times and see what happens
08:56 drojf             hej Viktor
08:56 Viktor            Hi! Taking a chance here - is anyone familiar with the SOLR-dev online?
08:43 tweetbot`         [off] twitter: @paul_poulain: "La nouvelle équipe pour #kohails 3.12 a été élue: http://t.co/qJ4rvzkN"
08:38 drojf             car sharing it is… in your face DB
08:36 WaqarAzeem        Hello! can anyone let me know how can i debug or at least generate the Log file from my .pl scripts.
08:25 rangi             heh
08:25 drojf             thanks german railways for letting me click through all your forms, then sending me an error when i try to pay and now not have a ticket available for the price that the one in my cart had minutes ago. sure, i'd like to pay 15 euro more for a different conection that is inconveniently timed
08:16 magnuse           hehe
08:16 rangi             smart of it
08:16 magnuse           mysql doesn't approve of bucklame?
08:09 rangi             SET time_zone = "$tz"
08:09 rangi             its harmless
08:09 rangi             it's just mysql doesn't like that as a timezone
08:07 mtj               bbiab
08:07 rangi             that was running a test
08:07 drojf             ok
08:07 rangi             ah naw thats a different thing
08:05 drojf             mtj:  http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/2012-10-11#i_1102388
08:04 drojf             good day #koha
08:04 drojf             mtj: rangi and jcamins_away talked about that i think
08:03 magnuse           mtj: DBD has decided you need to move to another timezone?
08:02 mtj               ooh, i might know
08:01 mtj               do i have a too-old version of some date module
07:59 magnuse           mtj: nope
07:58 mtj               updatedatabase.pl: DBD::mysql::db do failed: Unknown or incorrect time zone: 'Pacific/Auckland' at /home/mason/git/head/C4/Context.pm line 766.
07:58 mtj               anyone seen this before on master?
07:57 mtj               heya chris
07:53 rangi             evening
07:47 mtompset          Everyone have a good day (24 hours), I'll be back later.
07:47 mtompset          Everyone had a good day (24 hours), I'll be back later.
07:19 mtompset          tsiliha: The database will upgrade when you access it via the staff interface.
07:19 mtompset          So perhaps the best course of action for you, tsiliha, is to take a backup of your database. And try it. If you have problems while trying it, come back and ask questions. :)
07:19 tsiliha           the upgrade of software i think it is the easy part. What about database?
07:17 mtj               tsiliha, many people have upgraded from 3.4 to 3.8
07:15 tsiliha           <drojf> not yet
07:15 mtj               tsiliha, if you are going to upgrade,  you should upgrade to the latest version of Koha
07:14 drojf             tsiliha: did you try what i proposed yesterday?
07:14 tsiliha           is there safe way that database that exist in koha 3.4.0 will work in 3.8.5 with export mysql and import it in new koha stable version?
07:13 tsiliha           because may have some problem with database
07:13 mtj               go on, give a little more info...
07:12 mtompset          tsiliha: Why would you upgrade to 3.4.8? Why not 3.8.5?
07:10 gaetan_B          hello
07:09 tsiliha           does anyone know how to upgrade koha from 3.4.0 to 3.4.8? I have debian. And the second question is about database, if there is any problem after upgrade it.
07:08 wahanui           privet, tsiliha
07:08 tsiliha           hello
06:58 wahanui           hi, asaurat
06:58 asaurat           hi
06:57 wahanui           salut, reiveune
06:57 reiveune          hello
06:55 mtj               mtompset -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bypass_your_cache
06:54 mtompset          I know it is over-kill and their are negative ramifications (like slower page loads in general), but given relatively good connectivity... I don't think that is an issue.
06:53 mtj               ok, your call...
06:53 mtompset          But that requires they remember to do it.
06:53 mtompset          Actually, my first recommendation was purposefully empty the cache on upgrades.
06:52 mtompset          Well, I may not be around to solve problems in the future. I need something that will just work period forever.
06:51 mtj               mtompset, woah!, i didnt mean for everyone
06:49 cait              marcelr: ok, answered now :) and now it't time to get to work  - bye all!
06:44 mtompset          I have done so on my browser now, and have advised my colleagues to do likewise.
06:44 mtompset          turn off caching.
06:43 mtj               mtompset, it makes no difference what 'enviroment' it is, did you miss my advice?
06:42 marcelr           hi cait :)
06:41 cait              marcelr: reading your mail now - will reply from work later!
06:40 cait              hi marcelr :)
06:40 * cait            waves
06:39 sophie_m          hi mtompset
06:37 laurence          hi mtompset
06:36 mtompset          Greetings, marcelr, laurence, et sophie_m.
06:35 marcelr           hi mtompset
06:35 mtompset          salut, alex_a. :)
06:35 marcelr           hi #koha
06:34 alex_a            bonjour
06:18 mtompset          However, there were JS changes between 3.6.3 and 3.8.5 :)
06:17 mtompset          mtj, this wasn't a test environment. This was a live enviroment.
06:15 Oak               :) yup
06:15 mtompset          glad you liked the reworked lyrics. :)
06:14 cait              hi mtj :)
06:14 mtompset          greetings, Oak.
06:14 Oak               hello mtompset
06:13 Oak               magnuse
06:13 Oak               cait :)
06:13 cait              ;)
06:13 cait              Oak.
06:13 Oak               such eloquence mtj
06:06 mtj               else, continue to drive yourself batshit whilst testing
06:05 mtj               … just disable caching
06:02 mtompset          I suppose, but those kinds of errors drive you crazy, because a simple reload doesn't get rid of them.
05:58 magnuse           mtompset: at least it wasn's something else ;-)
05:51 mtompset          ARG! it was.
05:42 * magnuse         waves
05:41 mtompset          OH MY! Is it stale JS/CSS issues?!
05:26 mtompset          TypeError: original is null.
05:26 mtompset          var clone = original.cloneNode(true);
05:24 * mtompset        sighs and grumbles, "How am I supposed to debug this problem?!"
05:06 cait              thx and have a good evening/night
05:06 wajasu            have a great day.
05:05 wajasu            yeah.
05:04 cait              wajasu: jcamins_away will know what to do :)
05:02 wajasu            but aleast i've got working $9 links now.
05:01 wajasu            i'll have to take up this mystery up in about 13 hours.
04:58 wajasu            if someone can find a book with 240a, and look to see if they have a link, and compare the format, or if its broke for them, then i might have a lead
04:56 wajasu            if thats supposed to link to some sort of person or somethings else, is that even a typical URL that you've seen before.  maybe its misformatted.
04:55 wajasu            whic gives an error page
04:55 mtompset          cait: You're javascript thought was right.
04:55 wajasu            240a has a itle that is a hyperlink continaing:   http://192.168.122.28:8080/cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/Menschwerdung%20Gottes.
04:54 cait              might be the time
04:54 cait              sorry, I can't follow
04:54 wajasu            i wonder if the url that is generating the link is correct?
04:53 cait              ?
04:53 wajasu            where we would supply the Menschwerdung%20Gottes    unitform title 240a
04:51 wajasu            looking in ./koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/catalogue,  maybe we are missing a template inthe url from there.
04:50 huginn            cait: The uniform title for an item when the bibliographic description is entered under a main entry field that contains a personal (field 100), corporate (110), or meeting (111) name. [a,d,f,g,h,k,l,m,n,o,p,r,s,6,8]
04:50 cait              @marc 240
04:50 wajasu            so far, all my uniform titles have links resulting in a an error.
04:50 tweetbot`         [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails  Release Team for Koha 3.12 Announced http://t.co/urbn2e0R"
04:47 wajasu            none.  in 240
04:46 cait              so no rlin for the uniform title?
04:45 wajasu            the RLIN "Auth" links work,   its just the uniform titles that don't
04:45 wajasu            yes two $9 entries in the [1] tab  personal names.
04:43 wajasu            wait. let me edit
04:43 wajasu            i can't find one.
04:42 cait              and there is a $9 in the record?
04:42 cait              wajasu: hmm
04:42 wajasu            no pizza left?
04:41 cait              too early still
04:41 cait              not really :)
04:41 wajasu            which always give an error page.
04:41 wajasu            the link is of the format:   http://192.168.122.28:8080/cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/Menschwerdung%20Gottes.
04:40 wajasu            the link always seems to be wrong.
04:40 wajasu            i do have an issue.  when i search for Hans Kung, i select the incarnation of God, and pull up the MARC view in the staff client.  i select tab 2, and the uniform title has a name as alink.
04:39 mtompset          cait: Are you here?
04:39 mtompset          Greetings, #koha.
04:37 wajasu            clikcing on subject headings gives me 2 links at most, but will investigate if it should be more for some subjects.
04:36 wajasu            i have about 50000 authority records generated now.
04:35 wajasu            so i am hoping i can go with that instead of the subject tracings.
04:35 wajasu            now i am testing the RLIN based links
04:35 wajasu            rebuilt the zebra index between the steps.
04:34 wajasu            i have AutoAddAuthorities and allow...  and i ran link_bibs_to_authorities.
04:34 * wajasu          ok i got my 3.0 running against pre-3.10 master.   i had about 15000 biblios, and deleted the machine genrated authority records.
04:19 * cait            waves
04:02 eythian           bye
03:53 mib_uv3cxf        hi
03:28 * Oak             waves
02:52 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8806 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Debian packaging updates
02:52 jenkins_koha      robin: Bug 8806 - [3.8.x] Changelog updates, dependencies
02:52 jenkins_koha      Project Koha_3.8.x build #199: SUCCESS in 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/199/
02:50 user110           sleep
02:27 user110           cool
02:27 rangi             sweet'
02:27 jcamins           Woohoo! Successfully built packages for 3.6.9 on the new test server.
02:25 tweetbot`         [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Release Team for Koha 3.12 Announced http://t.co/hcIDXDGw #kohails"
02:16 jcamins           I mean, pbuilder+all my tools for testing Koha installs.
02:16 jcamins           It seems to me that pbuilder should provide all the tools necessary for testing Koha installs in a chroot.
02:13 jenkins_koha      Starting build #199 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
02:09 rangi             yeah
02:07 jcamins           There are so few relevant patches now.
02:07 jcamins           At this point I don't really see much point in 3.6-testing.
02:06 jcamins           Need to do 3.6.x.
02:06 jcamins           Hm.
01:55 rangi             ahh just awaiting qa
01:55 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8519 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Make koha-index-daemon run on startup
01:55 jcamins_away      bug 8519
01:55 jcamins_away      Hm. There's already a patch for zebraqueue_daemon.
01:01 jcamins           Well, zebraqueue_daemon can just be killed.
01:01 rangi             specially the zebraqueue_daemon
01:00 rangi             yeah, i vote we move them to a deprecated dir, or just git rm them
00:59 pastebot          "jcamins" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Test::Strict failures" (69 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/229
00:55 rangi             for now tho, that is pretty handy
00:55 rangi             yup, so far its just doing make test, but ill extend it
00:54 jcamins           Cool!
00:54 jcamins           Oooh.
00:54 rangi             and it builds, bisecting and testing until it finds the commit that broke the build
00:54 rangi             i can run ./start
00:54 rangi             when jenkins fails
00:53 jcamins           What does it do?
00:53 rangi             http://stats.workbuffer.org/gitbuilder/
00:53 rangi             did i show you this?
00:52 jcamins           Problem 1 patched.
00:50 rangi             heh
00:50 jcamins           nano came up instead of vim!
00:50 jcamins           Argh! Nooooo!!!!
00:48 rangi             i get emailed by launchpad every day, 3 times, as it fails to build for natty, oneiric, and precise
00:48 jcamins           Figured I might as well fix the problems.
00:48 rangi             yep
00:48 jcamins           I wandered off down this path when my attempt to build a package died dramatically.
00:48 jcamins           Yeah, I noticed that.
00:46 rangi             the other bug is a package blocker, you cant currently package master
00:46 rangi             passing on jenkins tho, but there are some issue rows there
00:45 rangi             hm yep looks like it
00:45 pastebot          "jcamins" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "DBD::mysql::st execute failed:" (2 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/228
00:45 rangi             ah right
00:45 jcamins           I think this may be another problem with HoldsQueue.
00:44 rangi             and yeah we should kill those old utility scripts
00:44 rangi             i put a blocker bug in for it
00:43 rangi             that only just crept in
00:43 jcamins           The issue with the Koha test was A) a missing dependency and B) a bizarre timezone mismatch.
00:43 rangi             yeah holdsqueue there is a patch for
00:41 jcamins           Oh, missing dependency on Koha.
00:40 jcamins           And VirtualShelves requires a bib.
00:40 jcamins           Serials requires a subscription.
00:39 jcamins           Haven't checked Koha yet.
00:39 jcamins           HoldsQueue seems to require an issue in the database(?).
00:39 jcamins           Such as H:T:P.
00:39 jcamins           00-strict is failing because we have utility scripts using odd packages.
00:39 jcamins_away      http://paste.koha-community.org/227
00:37 jcamins_away      (in the sense of books checked out, not problems;)
00:37 jcamins_away      We have tests that require that you have bibs, and tests that require that you have issues.
00:36 jcamins_away      Yes.
00:35 rangi             because they are designed to work with a db, with all the sample data
00:35 rangi             even with all the sample data installed?
00:33 jcamins_away      We have a bunch of db dependent tests that fail on a fresh install.
00:21 jcamins_away      Hm. I will need to adjust release-tool.pl to test installing in a chroot, I think.