IRC log for #koha, 2012-09-28

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01:05 waylon hiya all
01:07 waylon to sort_by biblionumber, what do i put in the sort_by param?
01:24 jcamins_away waylon: if you don't sort at all, it may default to being in order by biblionumber. But the only way to be sure is pqf.
01:25 waylon .. oh of course!
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01:28 waylon wait.. pqf?
01:30 libsysguy for the record, I think that datetime::duration objects are dumb
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01:41 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
01:42 libsysguy I have a general question about the calendar
01:43 libsysguy as it currently stands when computing the difference between 2 dates  you are limited to hours and days
01:43 libsysguy however I would like to extend that to all units
01:43 libsysguy would it be best to take an option to my "duration" function to speify the units to return
01:43 mtompset Some library only has on site reading in 15 minute intervals? ;)
01:44 libsysguy or just return the DT duration object
01:44 libsysguy well I was actually thinking ahead for fines
01:44 libsysguy say a library closes at 6:15
01:44 libsysguy and you return the book the next day
01:44 libsysguy you are charged from 6:15 pm to 8 am when they open
01:45 libsysguy (maybe)
01:45 mtompset Ah.... true pro-rated granularity.
01:45 libsysguy exactly…too long have patrons been getting away with that free 45 minutes
01:45 libsysguy :p
01:46 mtompset I'd say... if there is a duration difference function already, then adding a third parameter which defaults to the current behaviour shouldn't be a problem.
01:47 mtompset So if it isn't called with the "return these units" parameter, it defaults.
01:47 libsysguy well the issue is there are 2 functions
01:47 libsysguy one for hours and one for days
01:47 libsysguy so I was trying to add some set logic and combine them
01:47 mtompset 2 functions?!
01:47 libsysguy yeah...
01:47 libsysguy my thoughts exactly
01:47 mtompset EEEEEW!
01:49 mtompset I'd write a third with the extra parameter, and then replace the 2 with calls to the new fangled function.
01:49 libsysguy ok so here is the real pinch
01:49 libsysguy[…]eTime/$dur->in_units(_..._)
01:49 libsysguy notice you can't convert between all units
01:49 libsysguy how retarded is that
01:51 mtompset Oh, and by the way... version 0.77 of date time requires a newer version of perl...
01:52 mtompset which is already part of the reason only 12.04 ubuntu works.
01:54 libsysguy heh
01:54 libsysguy yayyy...
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01:54 libsysguy I demand datetime
01:55 mtompset You vile Debianist you, libsysguy. :P
01:55 libsysguy :p
01:55 libsysguy you nailed it mtompset
01:55 libsysguy i used to be a centosian
01:56 mtompset I still like things about yum more than apt-get.
01:58 libsysguy hmm
01:58 libsysguy its a draw-ish for me
01:58 libsysguy I think i have been using debian based systems for so long
01:58 libsysguy I have forgotten about yum
01:58 mtompset That happens.
01:59 mtompset Actually, what do you mean you can't convert between all the units?
01:59 * mtompset laughs.
02:00 * mtompset laughs harder.
02:01 mtompset developers! developers! developers! ;)
02:01 libsysguy now HW would definitely never show up here
02:07 mtompset Hmmm... have you ever heard of Time::Business?
02:08 libsysguy I saw that
02:08 libsysguy but for fear of introducing something like that
02:09 libsysguy i have been looking for alternatives
02:09 mtompset Yes, I understand.
02:09 libsysguy the way we do it now it poo
02:09 libsysguy[…]875925c13;hb=HEAD
02:09 libsysguy line 167
02:11 mtompset Yes, I scrolled down and was reading that.
02:11 mtompset So the days_between and hours_between are what you were talking about for 2 functions, right?
02:12 mtompset And that hours_between function is UUUUUUUGLY.
02:13 libsysguy yeah
02:13 libsysguy and it assumes 24 hours
02:15 mtompset Isn't there a delta_hours?
02:17 mtompset Why delta_ms?
02:22 mtompset Actually, if you have something checked out on day x, and it needs to be returned in 5 hours, but the library closed just before you returned it and the library is closed on day x+1, do you charge hourly for the hours the library isn't open, even though the library is closed that day?
02:23 mtompset I think the 24 hour assumption is reasonable. Not perfect, but reasonable.
02:25 libsysguy there is a problem with conversion on delta_hours
02:25 libsysguy that ian and I found when we first tried fixing hourly loans
02:25 libsysguy mtompset, the other issue I have with it is the functionality I am adding for hourly closures
02:26 libsysguy :p
02:26 libsysguy if you don't assume 24 hours you run into all sorts of interesting problems of how to charge people
02:26 libsysguy not logical ones, but pragmatic ones
02:27 mtompset oh, so a library that closes for 2 hours, but you needed to return your item during those two closed hours? ;)
02:28 libsysguy right, or you know, push the due dat forward or backward
02:28 libsysguy date/time**
02:28 libsysguy anyway I think I am going to rent a movie on Vudu and vege out for a bit
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06:03 magnuse kia ora #koha!
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06:06 * magnuse waves
06:06 cait hiya :)
06:07 mtompset Greetings, magnuse and cait.
06:07 magnuse hiya mtompset
06:07 mtompset It's been pretty quiet for 4 hours.
06:07 mtompset well, almost 4 hours.
06:08 cait morning mt
06:08 magnuse good thing you are here then :-)
06:08 cait mtompset:
06:08 cait yeah, few people have weekend already now
06:13 mtompset Ah, must be a long weekend for people then, because there's no holiday here today.
06:13 cait no but already friday evening in nz for example
06:14 mtompset NZ is off by 4 hours... That doesn't explain their afternoon. ;)
06:15 mtompset Or, people arent' having any problems. :0
06:15 * mtompset can dream of a problemless world.
06:16 magnuse yay![…]-kura-hau-po.html
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06:25 waylon ah, ill never remember the name. Still Levin public library right? still part ot the HLT network?
06:26 magnuse yeah, havn't heard anything else
06:26 magnuse it's just the building that is called te takere, i think
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06:36 reiveune hello
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06:41 mtompset Bonjour, reiveune. :)
06:41 reiveune salut mtompset :)
06:41 * mtompset smiles, "Salut. I like that."
06:44 waylon
06:45 waylon new websites not entirely done i see.
06:46 waylon still koha.:)
06:46 magnuse yeah, only the best is good enough :-)
06:48 alex_a bonjour
06:48 mtompset Bonjour, alex_a. :)
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06:51 alex_a bonjour mtompset
06:53 mtompset I suppose greetings to everyone at biblibre are in order. ;)
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06:56 mtompset reiveune++
06:57 reiveune ?
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06:57 mtompset salut. :)
06:57 sophie_m hi mtompset :-)
06:57 mtompset Hi, sophie_m. :)
06:58 * Oak waves
06:58 mtompset Oak!
06:58 magnuse Oak
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07:28 mtompset Well, now to clean up the tarball/git instructions for Ubuntu, because the packages version isn't getting any tidier as far as I can tell.
07:40 mtompset[…]ubuntu_-_packages
07:40 mtompset ubuntu?
07:40 wahanui ubuntu is, like, installed. or getting into integrating websites into the desktop, e.g. grooveshark showing up on the sound menu, and things like that. It's an interesting idea. I have the beta installed and it's still quirky, but a great idea
07:40 mtompset wahanui forget ubuntu
07:40 wahanui mtompset: I forgot ubuntu
07:41 mtompset ubuntu has current instructions at:
07:42 mtompset ubuntu?
07:45 mtompset ubuntu?
07:45 wahanui ubuntu is a debian-based OS and Koha has shiny new ubuntu intructions.
07:45 mtompset ubuntu instructions?
07:45 wahanui ubuntu instructions are at
07:45 mtompset Good enough.
07:46 Oak magnuse
07:46 Oak mtompset
07:46 wahanui mtompset is working on the ultimate koha uninstall script for fun. Bug 459. Old school, baby!
07:46 Oak :)
07:46 huginn Bug[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=459 enhancement, P4, ---, mtompset, In Discussion , No uninstall script
07:46 mtompset That has been stalled.
07:47 mtompset Working on cleaning up my split instructions.
07:47 mtompset Packages is good.
07:47 mtompset Git and tarball still need cleaning up a bit.
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08:29 mtompset Bonjour, paul_p.
08:29 paul_p hello #koha
08:29 mtompset I think there was a server split or something for irc.
08:30 slef yeah between and graviton
08:30 slef over half an hour ago
08:30 slef or maybe on server went down
08:30 slef one
08:31 mtompset I quit and rejoined, just to see if it was me at
08:32 slef mtompset: oh, I thought you were playing yoyos.
08:33 mtompset Not me today. :)
08:35 mtompset slef: By the way, I do agree that we need to be worried about a man in the middle attack, but we already have the potential for that in our existing scripts.
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08:57 waylon man in the middle attack of koha?
08:58 mtompset any script we provide (/usr/sbin) could be mailicious replaced on a "mirror" site.
08:58 mtompset mostly due to bad instructions on the internet, because people don't spend the effort to find the official channels.
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08:59 mtompset_ Nope... this isn't it. ;)
08:59 kf good morning #koha
09:00 mtompset Greetings, kf.
09:00 kf hi mtom
09:00 kf hi mtompset
09:02 magnuse hiya kf
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09:02 magnuse Oak
09:03 kf hi magnuse
09:03 mtompset Greetings again, Oak
09:06 kf Oak: Oak
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09:08 mtompset My poor netbook... straining at 90% physical memory use for two 512 Koha VMs.
09:08 mtompset on Windows. ;)
09:11 drojf good day #koha
09:11 mtompset drojf: i was just thinking about you. ;)
09:12 mtompset As I was working on my VM's. I was wondering if you had your base isntall of a Debian VM set up now. :)
09:12 kf hi drojf
09:12 drojf hi mtompset and kf :)
09:12 mtompset base install... DOH.
09:13 mtompset By the way, "Ah that spammer" nice way to leave the channel. ;)
09:13 drojf mtompset: a lot of debians and an ubuntu. the koha git thing needs some work so i can finally use it again though
09:14 drojf also i have not played with nat really
09:14 mtompset nat is fine, but you need to complement it with a host only.
09:14 mtompset Otherwise you can't do updates.
09:14 mtompset NAT = updates, host only = data entry.
09:14 drojf still feel flu_ish and weird, just got up (11am), not really functional
09:15 mtompset sorry to hear that. Hope you feel better quickly.
09:15 mtompset I'm working on the tarball/git instructions for ubuntu right now.
09:16 drojf more sleep would probably be enough, somehow that does not work. i avoided coming back here around 3 or 4 am this time though ;)
09:16 mtompset Good idea.
09:16 mtompset more sleep is always good when you aren't on your top game.
09:17 drojf installation with packages on ubuntu 12.04 worked nicely btw, not that it would surprise anyone, but i never tried it myself
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09:18 mtompset when did you follow the instructions?
09:18 Oak_ hello kf :)
09:18 Oak_ magnuse
09:18 magnuse Oak_
09:18 Oak_ mtompset :)
09:18 * mtompset waves at Oak_
09:19 mtompset or was this a based on your experience install, drojf?
09:19 drojf mtompset: i had to use the debian instructions actually because that is what i would be using at the workshop, also supporting ubuntu only if it works with them. i have seen that the ubuntu page got much smaller though, have not looked at it yet
09:20 drojf i think there was some crazy mysql stuff that i should tell people though
09:20 mtompset Yes, the security tweak section.
09:21 mtompset[…]QL_Security_Tweak
09:22 drojf a yes this exactly *adds bookmark* thanks
09:23 mtompset That's really the only difference between an ubuntu and debian install. Though, I have details a few more pieces, which I thought were lacking in the Debian Guide.
09:23 mtompset[…]rade_Instructions
09:23 mtompset[…]tall_Instructions
09:24 mtompset These would be identical for packages under Debian.
09:25 drojf out of the scope of what i plan to do, but would be good for those with zero linux knowledge
09:26 mtompset I tried to make the Ubuntu instructions as simple as possible.
09:26 drojf makes sense
09:26 mtompset If you actually only do what are in the text boxes, you will get a working system.
09:26 mtompset The problem is... it will be called
09:27 mtompset Trying to explain networking to someone with no networking experience is impossible to do.
09:27 mtompset So sadly, the instructions are best aimed at someone with intermediate computer experience.
09:28 mtompset The IT Department of the organization should be able to makes sense of the instructions and get it working for their library colleagues.
09:30 drojf i will go with haveing the ip and 80 for opac, 8080 for staff client to avoid any further networking stuff that would be special for each one. if there should really be sysadmins of libraries that work on their own servers, they will know what to do with a little explanation
09:30 paul_p keep finger crossed, jenkins should be happy with this push...
09:33 * mtompset says a little prayer for jenkins' build.
09:34 * slef replies to mtompset with a pretty rant
09:34 slef some ideas for possible ways out near the end, though
09:35 mtompset checking email now, slef.
09:36 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5335 follow-up fixing template <[…]97f31b203f373c68d> / Bug 5335 follow-up fix test <[…]497e01d527f259de5> / Bug 8659 Remove and readd the inactive funds in javascript to make it work in all... <[…]a.git;a=commitdif
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09:43 jenkins_koha Starting build #856 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #853 6 days 23 hr ago)
09:43 drojf go jenkins_koha
09:44 magnuse fingers crossed!
09:46 slef I love being mailshotted with job adverts, too.
09:49 drojf heh that reminds me
09:49 mtompset slef++ # for being a paranoid security freak. :)
09:50 drojf kf: what about biblimette or bibliomette as a name for a future company? maybe with a nice german closed source fork ;)
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09:51 * mtompset laughs.
09:51 mtompset drojf: You're hilarious.
09:51 drojf see, that are things i think about when i cannot sleep ;)
09:52 slef biblioubliette - releases a fork and then "throws it over the wall" as abandonware, claiming it's open source really.
09:52 mtompset At least your poor health hasn't drained your humour. :)
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10:17 * slef chuckles as he spots an old mail from mtompset with "PLEASE DON'T JUST TRY THIS BECAUSE YOU HAVE A PROBLEM. This is the WRONG solution."
10:32 mtompset Yes, well, some people obviously try everything before they ask for help.
10:32 mtompset As seen in our latest posting from a gentleman who was reading a CentOS thread regarding Zebra.
10:35 mtompset Bah... Forget this... I'm going to go on record with this.
10:35 mtompset I was thinking Paul might read it and try something stupid.
10:35 mtompset Yes, Paul, I mean you.
10:36 mtompset Now we just have to wait for Google to forever keep that on record.
10:38 kf drojf: don't joke about things like this... serious business.
10:39 kf drojf: what about bibliorange?
10:40 drojf love it :D
10:40 mtompset I can feel the LL love.
10:41 waylon wahanui, ptfs?
10:42 waylon wow.
10:42 drojf ouch
10:42 waylon wahanui, liblime?
10:42 wahanui liblime is no brandcuffs
10:42 mtompset Yikes!
10:42 waylon whos the guy who signed all the liblime commits?
10:43 waylon head devel liblime?
10:43 waylon ah... not important i guess.
10:44 mtompset I guess talking about LL here is like politics and religion in a generic public conversation.
10:46 drojf i guess they worked hard on their reputation
10:46 mtompset BTW, in order to support Ubuntu 10.04, we'd need 7 perl libraries.
10:47 mtompset HTTP::OAI Locale::Currency::Format PDF::API2::Simple Text::CSV::Encoded DateTime DateTime::TimeZone Template
10:48 drojf -1 for supporting 10.04. i would rather concentrate on future LTS versions on top of 12.04. it is 3 years LTS, right? or 5? in that case i would reconsider
10:49 mtompset It's 5 years for SERVER editions.
10:49 drojf yes i just read
10:49 mtompset 3 years for DESKTOP editions.
10:49 drojf in that case it would probably be fair to thik about it ;)
10:49 mtompset But if someone is going to install packages, the instructions tell them to use 12.04
10:50 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
10:50 mtompset Though, if someone is using git....
10:50 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #856: FIXED in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/856/
10:50 jenkins_koha * mtompset: Bug 8780 - Lower dependency version for DateTime::TimeZone
10:50 jenkins_koha * fridolyn.somers: Bug 8702: System preferences search does not allow accented letters
10:50 jenkins_koha * maxime.pelletier: Bug 8659 Remove and readd the inactive funds in javascript to make it work in all browsers
10:50 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8780 major, P1 - high, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Master , Lower dependency version for DateTime::TimeZone
10:50 jenkins_koha * Paul Poulain: Bug 5335 follow-up fix test
10:50 jenkins_koha * Paul Poulain: Bug 5335 follow-up fixing template
10:50 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8702 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , System preferences search does not allow accented letters
10:50 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8659 normal, P5 - low, ---, pelletiermaxime, Pushed to Master , Inactive funds in neworderempty not disabled in IE/Opera
10:50 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5335 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , More granular VAT
10:50 mtompset Sweet! my patch made it in. :)
10:50 drojf yee-ha!
10:51 magnuse \o/
10:51 mtompset That makes debian git installs possible again. ;)
10:52 mtompset (without CPAN)
10:53 mtompset as I was saying... though, if someone is doing a git install, it would be nice to support 10.04 LTS
10:53 drojf meh that virtualbox networking needs reading i guess. *put on pile of things to do later*
10:54 mtompset Oh, which reminds me of another typical problem I encountered.
10:55 mtompset The IP address for the host-only interface would get messed up on an upgrade.
10:55 mtompset (of the virtualbox software)
10:56 drojf i think anything besides network bridge is not feasible for a workshop. i don't really want to deal with vb there
10:57 mtompset But you can only do that on a wired connection.
10:57 mtompset What if you have someone with a wired connection?
10:57 mtompset WITHOUT...
10:57 drojf works with wifi fine here. also worked in ediburgh in the guest house, but not at the university
10:57 mtompset which version?
10:57 wahanui which version is, like, recommended
10:58 drojf 4.1.18_debian somethingsomething
10:58 mtompset Oh, debian as host?
10:58 drojf yes
10:59 mtompset windows as host is a different monster.
10:59 drojf thats another problem, i would not know what hosts other people bring. uah.
10:59 drojf i suppose all people that would want to use a prebuilt vm would have windows. i dont have one to try that though
10:59 drojf :/
11:00 mtompset Can't you get participants to tell you in advance?
11:00 drojf would still not have a windows to try then, but yes, i hope to know what they will be bringing
11:01 mtompset If you make it, and put it somewhere where I can sftp it or get it somehow, I can give it a whirl.
11:03 drojf thanks, that might be helpful, i may get back to you about that
11:03 mtompset when would this be?
11:03 mtompset because early November for me is bad.
11:04 drojf ah i see. don't really know yet
11:04 drojf maybe i should instead go and get a raspberry pi for everybody
11:06 * magnuse renews
11:07 mtompset As long as it isn't no.koha ;)
11:07 mtompset But drojf, you blew up your git. ;)
11:09 drojf more blew up the sd-card really
11:09 drojf the other with 3.8.5 is working nicely ;)
11:10 mtompset Overheating issues?
11:13 slef magnuse: can I interest you in transferring to a friendly registrar? ;)
11:14 magnuse slef: you can try, but for now i will stick with the comfort of the one i have :-)
11:15 slef magnuse: well, if you like paying Microsoft indirectly...
11:16 magnuse slef: how does that work?
11:17 slef magnuse: your current registrar is a Microsoft Gold Partner
11:17 * magnuse is indirectly paying ms lots already...
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11:24 kf jcamins_away: ping me when you are around?
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11:29 mtompset magnuse: how so?
11:29 magnuse mtompset: all levels of norwegian government are paying them a ton of money each year, out of my tax money
11:30 mtompset because the norwegian government only uses Windows machines?
11:30 magnuse yup
11:31 magnuse well maybe not "only", but not far from it
11:32 slef Yeah, but there's stuff that's easier to change than, like who you buy from.
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11:32 magnuse slef: true
11:32 druthb o/
11:33 magnuse \o
11:33 slef druthb is left-wing saluting, magnuse is right-wing?
11:33 magnuse oops?
11:34 druthb :P
11:35 slef :)
11:35 * magnuse is definitely not right wing :-)
11:36 slef magnuse: oh, so saluting like that is just a joke to you?  That's sort of inappropriate.  Next you'll be making jokes about kitten kebabs on amputated limbs!
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11:36 kf wah
11:36 kf no lunch for me again
11:36 slef kf: it's 1330, not had lunch yet?
11:37 kf crazy day
11:39 mtompset What was that quote about using the sharpened bones to do something?
11:40 kf but you fixed it
11:41 mtompset Any one know what jcamins_away meant by "zebra-striping tables"?[…]2-09-25#i_1087692
11:42 jcamins_away mtompset: rows alternating white and gray. It's called zebra-striping.
11:42 magnuse like we have in result lists in the opac, and lots of other places
11:42 mtompset Ah.
11:43 magnuse and in the irc logs for that matter :-)
11:51 mtompset "Fixed bug RT#47929 which caused the XS Stash to die mysteriously when calling code that used string evaluation (e.g. DateTime)." -- This sounds related to a patch I saw, but fixed Koha, not DateTime.
11:55 slef mtompset: bug 8738 ?
11:55 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8738 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Signed Off , DateTime object being compared to a date string in circulation
11:56 slef but I think that was a simple pre-overloading DateTime version used on that server
11:56 mtompset Yes, vaguely.
12:01 mtompset Oh yuck... I just read
12:01 mtompset (3.8.5)
12:02 mtompset It doesn't use DateTime.
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12:05 kf mtompset: I think that is because it's phased out
12:05 mtompset Not fully.
12:05 kf well
12:06 kf phased out means it's not gone yet
12:10 nengard @later tell mveron the age restriction info is in the manual if you want to review that I wrote it up right: http://manual.koha-community.o[…]RestrictionMarker
12:10 huginn nengard: The operation succeeded.
12:11 nengard jcamins I also finished the hierarchy bit for authorities: http://manual.koha-community.o[…]hDisplayHierarchy
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12:17 mtompset I'm reading the Changes for DateTime... Don't we use DateTime::Event::Recurrence?
12:26 paul_p yeah ! jenkins back to stable !
12:26 kf yay
12:26 kf paul_p: I tried to explain myself on 5535
12:26 kf bug 5335
12:26 wahanui i guess bug 5335 is guilty I think
12:26 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5335 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , More granular VAT
12:27 kf hope it makes more sense now
12:31 paul_p kf= it does, and you agree with my proposal ;-)
12:32 kf yep I think I do agree with the updatedatabase thing :)
12:32 kf it's crazy busy here today
12:32 kf ah right
12:32 kf yeah I agree
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13:02 waylon kf nengard... current branch options in searches, are searching one branch only, or all. Why not instead, a multichoice dropdown? would have to be jQuery right/
13:02 waylon ?
13:05 nengard I'd love multi-choice
13:05 nengard and so would a lot of libraries
13:05 nengard I don't know why it's the way it is
13:06 mtompset DropDown's are only single choice (as far as I know), but lists can multi-choice. This means the dropdown would probably need jQuery to give the appearance of multiselect. ;)
13:06 waylon yup
13:07 waylon dropdown checkbox list yes?
13:08 waylon sounds good?
13:09 mtompset Hmmm.... I have a gut feeling that isn't quite right. But since I am trying to hunt for multi-arch solutions... I can't help.
13:09 waylon jquiery isn't multi-arch?
13:09 mtompset No... the dselect installing i386 libraries on an amd64 OS.
13:10 mtompset a problem encountered by tcohen, and ranted about by slef. ;)
13:10 nengard can someone test to see if opachiddenitems is working in master ?  it doesn't appear to be working for me
13:13 nengard nevermind
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13:24 kf @later tell drojf I sent a school library in berlin to the koha users list where your entry is...
13:24 huginn kf: The operation succeeded.
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13:30 kf drojf: left you a message
13:31 drojf .
13:31 drojf ah, there it is :) thanks
13:31 drojf uuh exciting :)
13:36 oleonard If someone implements multi-branch search options please do it on the advanced search page and not the main search bar
13:36 kf oleonard++
13:36 kf and now I am gone :)
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13:40 tcohen mtj, what do u want me to do for that dselect issue?
13:41 tcohen we can leave it like it is now too
13:42 mtompset Greetings, tcohen.
13:43 tcohen hi mtompset
13:43 mtompset I'm curious...
13:43 mtompset Have you looked in /etc/dpkg/dpkg.conf.d?
13:44 tcohen yes, it has multiarch enabled
13:44 tcohen dpkg.cfg.d/multiarch: foreign-architecture i386
13:45 mtompset if you rename the file, the dselect stuff works, right?
13:45 tcohen yes
13:46 mtompset and I assume dpkg --print-architecture says amd64?
13:46 tcohen yes...
13:46 mtompset The problem is this multiarch stuff is in flux.
13:46 mtompset From what I've been googling around...
13:47 tcohen yes, dselect prefers foreign architecture over native
13:47 mtompset the location of the multiarch files and how it is done will change.
13:47 tcohen there's a bug on that
13:47 mtompset Yes, I saw the bug. :(
13:49 mtompset Perhaps we should create a documentation page on dealing with multiarch?
13:49 tcohen i'll try to see what can be done on the dselect front
13:49 tcohen maybe it will be the same amount of time this discussion will take
13:51 tcohen D'oh: "Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be many people wanting to
13:51 tcohen *maintain* dselect, so I suspect this bug report to remain opened for
13:51 tcohen a very long time, probably until someone decides that keeping an
13:51 tcohen unmaintained softwar ein the archive is not worth it"
13:56 mtompset Well, here's the thing... Debian is going multiarch with Wheezy.
13:56 mtompset Hopefully, they'll have fixed this problem when Wheezy comes out.
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13:56 mtompset which doesn't solve our problem now.
13:57 tcohen Read the pre-last comment[…]rt.cgi?bug=664893
13:59 mtompset Hmmm....
13:59 mtompset does aptitude use the dpkg --set-selections?
14:03 mtompset Yes, I think it does.
14:03 mtompset instead of sudo dselect...
14:03 tcohen yes, thats what I was trying
14:03 mtompset attempt a sudo aptitude install
14:05 waylon oleonard, why do you say that?
14:05 tcohen mtompset, it appears to have a similar problem
14:06 oleonard waylon: Because the main search bar (in my opinion) should remain simple
14:06 tcohen the difference is that it cannot choose one or the other arch and proposes not to install :-D
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14:07 waylon oleonard, hmm? the main search bar already includes a branch dropdown.
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14:07 oleonard Yes, and adding more complexity to that, in the form of some kind of multi-branch selection widget, would make it more complex
14:07 jcamins nengard: perhaps you could say "... with linked broader and narrower see also references."
14:07 oleonard (to be perfectly redundant :P )
14:08 waylon if its multibranch mode (which im adding) why not dropdown a multibranch selector?
14:08 nengard jcamins - where exactly? or just in general?
14:08 oleonard I don't know how you define "multibranch mode"
14:08 jcamins "If your authority records include 5xx fields with linked references to broader and/or narrower terms..."
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14:09 nengard got it
14:10 waylon multibranch mode adds ability to search more than one specific branch at a time. Allows users to be assigned multiple branches. And with the new security option im adding, only those assigned branches.
14:10 tcohen mtompset: will make the script to print the full command the user should execute as mtj suggested on the email
14:12 jcamins waylon: I think a dropdown in the masthead would be unnecessary complexity.
14:12 oleonard waylon: Yeah, at this point I would still say that the main search bar should not include any more-complex controls.
14:12 jcamins It's not something that would be used very frequently at all.
14:12 waylon jcamins, thought a dropdown already exists in the masthead?
14:12 jcamins If you needed it for Mamduha (sp?), you could jQuery it into existence.
14:13 waylon the options there for it syspref.. and the template already shows it.
14:13 mtompset Yes, but multiple choice in the masthead is not something most people would do.
14:13 waylon ah
14:13 jcamins waylon: but regular dropdown controls allow only a single choice. Also, we already have that.
14:13 jcamins Adding another would be a bit much.
14:14 waylon right. advanced search then.
14:14 jcamins Yes.
14:15 waylon and yea, i guess i could overwrite using jquery, the dropdown, hooking in the multi, for mandumah's templates.
14:15 * waylon hopes that the designer doesn't make my life a living hell.
14:16 waylon okay, sleep time.
14:16 waylon night all!
14:16 oleonard mandumah?
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14:16 waylon
14:16 waylon waylon?
14:16 wahanui well, waylon is the 33rd developer of Koha, currently working for, a digital library archive. Hes currently porting koha 3.0 modifications to Koha 3.10.
14:17 oleonard Ah, thanks :)
14:17 waylon yea... long road ahead of me.
14:17 waylon and it pays to take it carefully.
14:17 waylon laters all.
14:17 oleonard This community is awesomely international.
14:17 mtompset They advantage of jquery is... it will upgrade nicely in the future. ;)
14:18 jcamins Mostly.
14:19 jcamins A lot better than template modifications, though.
14:20 * mtompset coughs, "Paul."
14:20 jcamins Yup.
14:20 waylon will havta talk to you guys about it later, yup
14:20 waylon gone.
14:20 jcamins And where it's not perfect, it's still not too bad.
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14:21 jcamins I put a script on the wiki which requires different code between 3.8 and 3.10.
14:21 mtompset Yes, but a script is still in the DB, if you swap it to a new machine.
14:21 mtompset Won't accidentally forget to copy it.
14:22 * jcamins knows someone who could probably manage. :P
14:22 * mtompset laughs, "Paul."
14:22 mtompset If you read this Paul, you have a reputation. Sorry.
14:25 oleonard does exporting records using a call number range not work?
14:25 oleonard It doesn't for me
14:25 jcamins packages?
14:25 wahanui it has been said that packages is at
14:26 jcamins oleonard: it did when I was playing with the export functionality.
14:26 oleonard Hm, okay.
14:26 jcamins jquery library?
14:26 wahanui somebody said jquery library was found at[…]ki/JQuery_Library
14:29 jcamins git?
14:29 wahanui i think git is[…]Control_Using_Git
14:29 jcamins install.debian?
14:29 wahanui well, install.debian is at​koha.git;a=blob;f=INSTALL.debian
14:30 mtompset Is there a method to your madness, jcamins?
14:30 jcamins mtompset: yes. wahanui is providing me with the links that I want to put in an e-mail.
14:31 oleonard Does wahanui do spell check too?
14:31 oleonard wahanui: How do you spell acccommmodate?
14:31 wahanui oleonard: bugger all, i dunno
14:31 mtompset wahanui: what is a bugger?
14:31 wahanui mtompset: wish i knew
14:31 mtompset what?
14:32 mtompset ubuntu?
14:32 wahanui ubuntu is probably a debian-based OS and Koha has shiny new ubuntu intructions.
14:32 mtompset ubuntu instructions?
14:32 wahanui ubuntu instructions are at
14:33 mtompset Still working on the git/tarball instructions.
14:33 mtompset But packages is good. :)
14:33 mtompset but packages?
14:33 wahanui packages is at
14:33 mtompset good
14:37 jcamins manual?
14:37 wahanui hmmm... manual is at
14:40 oleonard I contend that exporting records using a call number range does *not* work.
14:40 jcamins oleonard: I believe you.
14:40 jcamins The last time I tested was...
14:40 jcamins ummm...
14:40 jcamins wait.
14:40 jcamins Didn't I file a bug about that?
14:41 jcamins Exporting records using *biblionumber* range worked.
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14:43 SzosszeNET Hi guys, sorry I'm totally new to Koha and want to install it to debian (with separate mysql), but seems I'm lost an looping...
14:43 jcamins Not that I know where that bug might be.
14:43 SzosszeNET could someone point me the right direction?
14:43 jcamins debian?
14:43 wahanui i heard debian was what most people use and there are good manuals and even packages for that
14:43 jcamins packages?
14:43 wahanui somebody said packages was at
14:43 jcamins There we go.
14:44 jcamins Those are the best instructions to follow.
14:44 jcamins Are you following those instructions?
14:44 SzosszeNET sure :)
14:44 SzosszeNET however in my case[…]rate_MySQL_server was also needed
14:46 jcamins Okay, where did you run into problems?
14:47 SzosszeNET well, nor the db is populated (it's empty) :) An nothing on port 8080 or 443 (wish to run it on https)
14:47 jcamins SzosszeNET: you have to run through the web installer to initialize the database.
14:48 jcamins And you'll need to edit the Apache config file to adjust it to use HTTPS.
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14:49 SzosszeNET accoring to /etc/apache2/ports.conf  it does listen on 443
14:50 SzosszeNET the web installer is supposed to run on 8080 right?
14:50 jcamins Right, it's listening on 443, but you have to set up the virtual host to actually use that port.
14:50 jcamins The instructions walk you through doing a standard install using HTTP. Setting up HTTPS is a site-specific thing.
14:52 jcamins But you already have a certificate, I presume, so you can just enable HTTPS and carry on.
14:53 SzosszeNET no, I don't have certificate yet
14:53 SzosszeNET that's the last task for me :) First I want to make koha work
14:53 SzosszeNET strange, just reverted to a minimal setup snapshot
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14:54 SzosszeNET issued koha-create --use-db groupkoha
14:54 SzosszeNET have to sql errors : ERROR 1396 (HY000) at line 1: Operation CREATE USER failed for
14:54 jcamins In that case, I suggest that you use HTTP for the configuration.
14:54 jcamins SzosszeNET: I thought you said you had MySQL on a different server?
14:55 SzosszeNET defined in /etc/mysql/koha-common.cnf
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14:56 oleonard Bug 8843
14:56 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8843 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Cannot export bibliographic records by call number
14:56 SzosszeNET and it did call that db created the users
14:57 SzosszeNET and wow, now I have "Software error:" on port 8080 :)
14:57 jcamins Okay, so you are further along than I realized.
14:57 SzosszeNET "Access denied for user 'koha_groupkoha'@'' (using password: YES) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 758."
14:58 SzosszeNET brilliant :)
14:58 jcamins Right.
14:58 SzosszeNET is it?
14:58 jcamins Most likely all you need to do is set the password for 'koha_groupkoha'@'%' to match the automatically generated password in /etc/koha/sites/groupkoha/koha-conf.xml
15:00 SJeffery So what is the word on Koha RDA records support? From the RFC on the wiki and the lack of tickets it seems as though there is zero support?
15:01 jcamins SJeffery: unfortunately, that is pretty much accurate.
15:02 * jcamins is generally the one dealing with MARC21 standard issues, and I'm not getting a whole lot of interest in RDA yet.
15:02 SzosszeNET jcamins : nope...
15:03 jcamins SzosszeNET: did I tell you that you have to make sure to set the password to match the *last* password in that file?
15:03 * jcamins thinks he didn't.
15:03 SzosszeNET under serverinfo found in the xml :  <user>koha_groupkoha</user>  <pass>geidochi</pass>
15:04 jcamins Okay, you figured that out. :)
15:04 SJeffery Will importing RDA records actually break anything or cause any weird display issues?
15:04 jcamins So, uh, you're going to change those passwords now, right?
15:04 SzosszeNET not stupid just noob to koha :D
15:04 jcamins SJeffery: nope, you just won't get the data from the new 3xx fields showing up.
15:05 jcamins SzosszeNET: these things bear repeating... you'd be surprised how many people make that mistake.
15:05 SzosszeNET jcamins : grr...
15:06 jcamins SzosszeNET: are you able to login using mysql from the command line on the Koha server?
15:06 SzosszeNET don't understand something : define my host,user under /etc/mysql
15:06 SzosszeNET koha creates koha_ prefixed ones
15:06 jcamins Right.
15:07 SzosszeNET also to the db - and seems can't work with them with modification...
15:07 SzosszeNET now I changed the /koha-conf.xml to use the db user I created and seems ok ;)
15:07 SzosszeNET not a complaint, just want to know about koha :)
15:08 jcamins SzosszeNET: I'm not sure what exactly happened... usually that just works for me.
15:09 jcamins But then usually I don't use koha-create directly to create databases on remote servers.
15:09 SzosszeNET hmm
15:11 SzosszeNET than what would be than the good way for remote db setup?
15:13 jcamins SzosszeNET: I run a script to create the DB and stick the password into my /etc/koha/passwd file, then use --use-db.
15:13 jcamins Usually.
15:14 SzosszeNET okay
15:14 SzosszeNET anyway I'm playing with koha at the moment and explorering it
15:14 SzosszeNET so I'll reinstall anyway
15:14 SzosszeNET and is there any possibility to get rid of the koha_ prefix? :)
15:15 jcamins SzosszeNET: you could, by simply changing koha-conf.xml, but don't.
15:15 SzosszeNET I mean groupkoha user is quite right for me :)
15:15 SzosszeNET :D
15:15 SzosszeNET okay
15:17 jcamins How do you pronounce your nick? It looks like Hungarian, in which case 'sz' would be pronounced like /s/ in English, but the "ssz" is throwing me off.
15:17 mtompset the koha_ prefix makes scripting for db's easier. :)
15:20 jcamins Much easier.
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15:23 * jcamins figured it out, never mind.
15:24 SzosszeNET Jcamins yes Hungarian ;)
15:24 SzosszeNET hmm like the s in sea?
15:25 SzosszeNET quite robot, but if you set google translate to hungarian it's almost :)
15:25 jcamins I don't speak any Hungarian, alas. Well, other than "Koszonom."
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15:25 SzosszeNET and of course tell to translator to pronounce :)
15:26 SzosszeNET oh, yes :)
15:26 SzosszeNET the ssz is a double sound
15:27 * jcamins kept on trying to say it "Szos'sze" and getting his tongue tangled up.
15:27 SzosszeNET the normal letter is sz, but if its doubled would be szsz, but our beutiful grammar tells that it's not correct form, it should be written as ssz
15:27 SzosszeNET sorry for it :)
15:28 SzosszeNET hiss ;)
15:28 mtompset What if it were really ssz and not sz-sz?
15:28 jcamins It's good. Now I know that 'ssz' in Hungarian is pronounced 'szsz'! :)
15:28 mtompset That's a tongue twister too.
15:28 mtompset considering the word started with sz.
15:29 SzosszeNET hmm :) well Hungarian langue likes joining existing words, but ie English does not really like it - so interesing thingking ;)
15:30 SzosszeNET anyway that case s an sz are pronounced separately
15:30 SzosszeNET ie sasszem where sas+szem (eagle+eye)
15:31 mtompset That's not as hard, because you started with the same sound.
15:31 jcamins SzosszeNET: I think I need to practice if I want to say "sasszem" without switching it to "saszsem"
15:31 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8726: add CSS to CCSR theme <[…]b1f45e75a5fcf426f> / Bug 8726: Followup FIX save didyoumean syspref <[…]e6d172c493ac4e683> / Bug 8726 follow-up: fix QA issues <[…]0f3e211844c2336e6
15:31 jcamins :)
15:32 jcamins Anyway, I didn't mean to distract you from Koha. :)
15:32 mtompset got to love morphological differences which hide the phonological reality.
15:32 SzosszeNET :D
15:32 * jcamins met his wife in Budapest.
15:32 SzosszeNET I'm not distracted :)
15:33 SzosszeNET hmm and she's not Hungarian?
15:33 SzosszeNET :D
15:33 jcamins Nope. She's from rural Virginia, actually.
15:33 SzosszeNET wow :)
15:33 SzosszeNET and might I ask where are you from?
15:34 jcamins New Jersey... about an hour and a half from New York, where we live now.
15:34 SzosszeNET I live in Scotland ;)
15:34 * jcamins loves Scotland!
15:35 mtompset And while we're all talking about nationalities and locations. I'm a Canadian in the Philippines. :P
15:35 SzosszeNET cause of the Scotch? :D
15:35 SzosszeNET how small the world is huh? :)
15:35 jcamins I don't drink whiskey, but I studied in Edinburgh and it's my second-favorite city in the world (after Budapest, obviously;).
15:35 SzosszeNET :D
15:36 SzosszeNET well, check Bratislava
15:37 SzosszeNET Vienna
15:37 jcamins We'd like to take a trip to Bratislava and Vienna.
15:37 SzosszeNET they are also lovely if speaking about capitals
15:37 jcamins My wife really likes Tallinn, too.
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15:38 mtompset jcamins: Did you mention the other day that zip or unzip were required from some functionality in Koha?
15:38 jcamins mtompset: yes.
15:38 * oleonard visited Bratislava, stayed at a YMCA which had a movie theater on the ground floor
15:39 SzosszeNET :D
15:39 mtompset both, or just one of them?
15:39 jcamins mtompset: just unzip, I think.
15:40 mtompset There it is... unzip.
15:40 mtompset bunzip2?
15:40 jcamins mtompset: that's something else.
15:41 mtompset It's referenced in the code.
15:41 mtompset ./misc/cronjobs/social_data/
15:41 jcamins Only in a sample cron script.
15:42 jcamins oleonard: do you have UseICU turned on or off?
15:42 * mtompset nods.
15:42 jenkins_koha Starting build #857 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED)
15:43 oleonard jcamins: Off, same as in the ByWater demo
15:43 jcamins Well, darn. There goes that theory.
15:43 mtompset Shoot... I think we need to update the ubuntu .packages files. They don't have unzip.
15:53 SzosszeNET hmm, so port 8080 works, but 80 just gives "It works" but there should be opac, no?
15:53 jcamins SzosszeNET: probably you don't have DNS set up yet?
15:53 jcamins The easy solution is to run `sudo a2dissite default` and `sudo apache2ctl restart`
15:55 SzosszeNET I do ;) I accessed fqdn:8080
15:55 jcamins In that case, it sounds like there's an extra period or something in the site file. You can just open that up and edit it.
15:56 SzosszeNET oh no, the disable of the default site did solve my issue ;)
15:57 oleonard Guh, I hate running across a dumb change to the template and finding out it happened 3 years ago and I just didn't notice
15:57 jcamins oleonard: me too.
15:57 * oleonard wants to be template-omniscient
15:58 SzosszeNET :)
15:58 oleonard ...among other omniscients.
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16:19 oleonard You'd think by now I'd recognize commit 77b64098, the black hole of template commits.
16:20 SzosszeNET hmm just realized that /etc/koha/koha-conf-sites.conf - what I put in it does not matter? :D
16:21 jcamins That's just for creating new instances.
16:21 jcamins Once you've created an instance, you need to edit the Apache site file.
16:21 SzosszeNET okay, but what's in there was not used at all :D
16:22 SzosszeNET probably I need to calm down I do what I hate - read admins manual :D
16:22 jcamins It's always worked for me. Though the file is actually /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf.
16:23 jcamins Which may be your problem.
16:23 jcamins Ever since you started talking to me, though, there hasn't been any point in editing that file. You already created the instance.
16:25 SzosszeNET yep, but created the file based on the install tutorial, than went for the db init, but I don't feel that file was used to with my implementation it's not neccesary - however cannot explain why :D
16:25 SzosszeNET anyway no problem, I'm already playing with the apache conf ;)
16:34 jcamins Fun fact: at some point Isengard was ruled by a man named Luigi. I don't know if he was from Numenor or Gondor. :)
16:36 SzosszeNET :) Italy ;)
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16:37 SzosszeNET on apache2 it's quite clear that OPAC is on port 443 from now, but how do I archive to put Intranet as well to 443, but /admin ie?
16:38 * cait waves
16:38 jcamins SzosszeNET: I do not think that's easily achievable.
16:39 SzosszeNET kidding "INTRASUFFIX="admin"  # For administration interface URL: Suffix to be added to the instance name. " from /etc/koha/koha-conf-sites.conf isn't for this?
16:40 jcamins No.
16:40 jcamins That's for a subdomain.
16:40 jcamins You can't easily run Koha out of a subfolder.
16:41 SzosszeNET okay
16:41 SzosszeNET than 443 and 8443 :)
16:41 SzosszeNET let's see ad auth :)
16:43 SzosszeNET does /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml stand for /etc/koha/ ? I don't have the first file just the second
16:44 oleonard Could Bug 8686 be caused by an older version of URI::Escape? Mine is 3.31, ByWater's demo has 3.30. The escaped output of a variable appear different for each
16:44 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8686 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , author search in staff missing checkboxes and menu
16:44 oleonard ...leading to a JS error in the ByWater demo, leading to the symptoms of the bug.
16:45 jcamins SzosszeNET: no, /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml is equivalent to /etc/koha/sites/groupkoha/koha-conf.xml.
16:46 SzosszeNET thanks :)
16:49 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #857: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/857/
16:49 jenkins_koha * christophe.croullebois: Bug 7351 : feature that allows to delete a range of dates
16:49 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8726: ExplodedTerms suggestion plugin (functionality)
16:49 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8726: ExplodedTerms suggestion plugin (jQueryUI)
16:49 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8726 follow-up: fix QA issues
16:49 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 8726: Followup FIX save didyoumean syspref
16:49 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8726: add CSS to CCSR theme
16:49 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7351 enhancement, P3, ---, christophe.croullebois, Pushed to Master , ability to edit a range of holidays
16:49 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8726 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Did you mean? plugin for broader/narrower/related terms
16:50 cait and back to unstable :(
16:50 jcamins cait: when rangi wakes up he'll run updatedatabase.
16:50 jcamins Well, at some point after waking up.
16:50 cait ah good
16:51 drojf i see four search bars instead of a tab control on the staff client mainpage from git that i just checked out. is that the code or an error in my koha-conf.xml?
16:52 jcamins drojf: Alt-refresh.
16:52 jcamins You switched beetween 3.6.x and 3.10.x.
16:56 drojf 3.8 and 3.10 actually. refreshing, clearing cache, deleting cookies… did not work.
16:56 jcamins That's very odd.
16:57 jcamins That happens to me all the time when switching between 3.6.x and master, and it's always solved by an Alt-refresh to force a reload of the CSS and Javascript.
16:57 mtompset I hate stale CSS!
16:57 drojf yes i think i have seen it before and it was easy to get rid of
16:57 jcamins Possibly a Ctrl-refresh.
16:58 jcamins Not a Shift-refresh, though.
17:00 drojf its ctrl-refresh here but that does not help. funny
17:00 jcamins drojf: any javascript errors?
17:00 jcamins Perhaps Paul pushed something incompatible with 8726 right before it?
17:03 drojf firebug indicates a red "2" which is probably not good. now to find out where it tells me what that means
17:04 jcamins Maybe if you click it it will tell you what the errors are?
17:04 drojf missing jquery-things
17:04 drojf "NetworkError: 404 Not Found -[…]ery/jquery-ui.css"
17:04 drojf "NetworkError: 404 Not Found -[…]uery/jquery-ui.js"
17:04 drojf $("#header_search > ul").tabs is not a function
17:05 oleonard drojf: In master?
17:05 drojf yes
17:05 jcamins Odd. I see those files.
17:06 drojf i see them too
17:06 drojf that's interesting
17:07 drojf i'll try a differerent browser maybe
17:07 jcamins Don't see how it could be a browser thing.
17:12 jcamins (not that I had any other ideas)
17:23 drojf oops. seems i confused virtual machines at some point, this one has the fixed koha-conf.xml but the apache-shared-*.conf files are not fixed. my bad
17:23 jcamins drojf: so it's working?
17:24 drojf it will be in a minute, i assume
17:24 drojf it is working quite well for that error on my side ;)
17:25 jcamins Heh.
17:26 jcamins oleonard: well, I guess that means the staff client *does* work without javascript.
17:31 drojf looks all good now
17:31 jcamins Yay!
17:31 drojf so let's break it with my old .git folder ^^
17:32 jcamins Ummm...
17:32 jcamins You should be copying the entire repo over, not just kohaclone/.git
17:32 drojf or maybe i'm sane for once, make a copy of the machine before i do anything else so i can actually use something
17:32 drojf jcamins: i was afraid you would say that
17:33 jcamins If you copy over .git, it will not know what you currently have checked out.
17:33 jcamins I suppose you might be able to restore normalcy by doing a git reset --hard after the copy.
17:33 jcamins Maybe.
17:33 SzosszeNET how could I debug active directory ldap? I mean it's set, koha runs, but cannot login with my ad user
17:34 drojf i think i will try at least. i cannot untar my archive of the old folder for some reason, if i have to transfer it unpacked that will take a while
17:34 jcamins SzosszeNET: I don't know much about the LDAP configuration. Other than that it's very finicky.
17:35 jcamins drojf: better idea.
17:35 jcamins drojf: create a new empty kohaclone directory.
17:35 jcamins Copy the .git folder in there.
17:35 jcamins SzosszeNET: libsysguy did a blog post about configuring Koha with LDAP.
17:35 drojf jcamins: makes sense
17:35 jcamins drojf: then, once it's finished copying, do a git checkout [branchname]
17:36 jcamins drojf: the files outside .git are going to be a heck of a lot smaller than files in .git, though.
17:36 libsysguy yup
17:36 libsysguy
17:38 SzosszeNET ... have deb install
17:59 SzosszeNET libsysguy any other hint? These files do not exist in my config ~/koha-dev/var/log...
17:59 jcamins SzosszeNET: the log files will be in /var/log/koha/
17:59 jcamins I think.
18:00 SzosszeNET okay, but those do not contain anything releated to login attempts...
18:03 oleonard nengard: did you check your installation's version of URI::Escape?
18:04 oleonard I did so via the about page
18:05 nengard URI::Escape 3.30
18:05 nengard not highlighted in red or yellow
18:05 nengard so it's the right version isn't it?
18:05 oleonard But there is a newer version, since I have 3.31
18:05 nengard hmmm
18:06 nengard do we need to update something on the about page to make it clear that the newer version is required?
18:06 nengard and how do i update it using cpan?
18:06 oleonard I don't know what the solution is, but I'm curious whether upgrading fixes the problem for you.
18:07 nengard okay, how do i update it using cpan? I think that's what i used to install it
18:07 libsysguy sorry SzosszeNET I stepped away
18:08 libsysguy you will probably have a hard time trouble shooting
18:08 nengard oleonard i don't think that was the module!
18:08 nengard it works now and i updated a bunch of other modules today
18:08 libsysguy I always have to go in and add my own output to
18:08 nengard one of those
18:08 wahanui one of those is entirely extraneous.
18:08 drojf rofl
18:09 oleonard Hang on, afk.
18:17 SzosszeNET libsysguy could you give some hint regarding :)
18:17 libsysguy that is the file that actually does the ldap bits of authentication
18:18 libsysguy what type of LDAP setup do you have?
18:18 SzosszeNET huhuuu :D
18:18 SzosszeNET here I did go on easy way
18:19 libsysguy im sorry, I don't follow
18:20 oleonard Okay nengard, I didn't understand what you said. You don't think it was the module why?
18:20 SzosszeNET won't go into details sorry the easy way an M$ active directory domain on windows server 2003, but the operation level is 2000
18:20 nengard there were several modules that were optional that I was missing that I installed this morning
18:21 nengard I did not update the one you said, but a test today shows that the search is doing the right thing
18:21 SzosszeNET if that answers your question
18:21 oleonard nengard: The search that was broken before is working now?
18:21 nengard yes, i think it was one of the modules I updated today
18:21 nengard so you were on the right track
18:22 nengard unfortunatly I don't know which one it was
18:22 libsysguy ok SzosszeNET, so you have an ADLDAP setup.  do you have auth_by_bind enabled
18:22 oleonard nengard: The same search, with the quotes, and the URI::Escape version 3.30?
18:22 nengard yes
18:22 nengard let me try one more time
18:22 libsysguy and does your AD setup bind on the DN or can it bind on the sAMAccount name
18:23 oleonard nengard:[…]g,%20Lawrence.%22
18:23 oleonard (demo/demo)
18:24 nengard oh damn ?
18:24 nengard i was on the opac
18:24 nengard poo
18:24 nengard okay still no checkboxes in the staff client
18:24 SzosszeNET libsysguy :
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18:26 SzosszeNET good questions...
18:26 libsysguy ok so looking at this, you're users are allowed to bind and the bind is supposed to occur using the distinguished name
18:27 libsysguy all all your users reside in the OU "Domain"
18:27 SzosszeNET yes
18:27 SzosszeNET well, almost, the technical ones are not there
18:28 SzosszeNET but normal users are in that OU
18:28 libsysguy but the user you're testing with is there
18:28 libsysguy okay
18:29 libsysguy how perl savvy are you SzosszeNET
18:30 SzosszeNET none at all :)
18:30 libsysguy heh damn
18:30 libsysguy then I don't trust you to open
18:30 libsysguy :p
18:31 SzosszeNET I could open it ;)
18:31 SzosszeNET still the world did not end :D
18:31 libsysguy well when I am troubleshooting these setups for work I typically start by adding some print statements around where I think the problem is occuring
18:32 libsysguy so you can enter: print STDERR "LDAP bind failed as kohauser $principal_name: ". description($res);
18:32 SzosszeNET ahm, so basic debugging...
18:32 libsysguy exactly
18:32 libsysguy :)
18:32 libsysguy ldap is almost always 100% a pain in the ass
18:32 SzosszeNET to bad I'm not a programmer mind...
18:32 libsysguy and requires some troubleshooting
18:33 SzosszeNET tried it but...I just don't have nerves to it
18:33 libsysguy heh
18:33 SzosszeNET I'm just wondering
18:33 SzosszeNET is not it possible to twist around this
18:34 libsysguy how so?
18:34 SzosszeNET if I join the host to AD users should be able to log in to the host - if they can log in the host knows who they are so could learn them koha - kerberos
18:36 SzosszeNET on the orther hand also wondering should not koha log missed login attempts?
18:36 SzosszeNET my logs are almost empty :)
18:36 jcamins SzosszeNET: not be default. Your logs would be massive.
18:36 libsysguy it depends on how verbose the logs are set to log in your system preferences
18:37 * jcamins goes to eat some lunch.
18:37 SzosszeNET jcamins  enjoy
18:37 libsysguy the only reason it would fail at the point you're at would be if the bind failed
18:38 SzosszeNET libsysguy but with that I could debug (or have some idea) what is wrong with my ldap binding
18:38 libsysguy and typically that means that the connection is refused or the principal name is malformed
18:38 libsysguy yeah so in the koha sysprefs set your logs to verbose
18:38 libsysguy that should turn on logging for everything
18:38 libsysguy and you can find those in.../var/logs/koha_error-log
18:38 libsysguy i think
18:39 * libsysguy is not too familiar with production installs
18:39 SzosszeNET intranet-error.log  zebra-error.log opac-error.log      zebra-output.log
18:39 SzosszeNET those 4 log files do exist :)
18:40 libsysguy anybody else know where logs are on a standard install?
18:41 * libsysguy takes that as a no :p
18:41 SzosszeNET they are at /var/log/koha
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18:41 libsysguy ah
18:41 libsysguy i was about to suggest running find :p
18:41 SzosszeNET :) I know where my logs are ;)
18:42 SzosszeNET just told that 4 file only
18:42 libsysguy so I can never remember if they go into koha-error_log or koha-opac-error_log
18:42 libsysguy oh….well hell
18:42 SzosszeNET but again, where I enable verbose for logging? :)
18:42 libsysguy oh
18:42 libsysguy from the koha staff page
18:42 SzosszeNET I think opac :)
18:43 libsysguy Koha Administration -> Logs
18:43 SzosszeNET Home › Administration › System preferences > Logging preferences
18:43 libsysguy yup
18:43 * libsysguy cheats and uses the search for log
18:44 SzosszeNET AuthoritiesLog is only "don't log"
18:44 SzosszeNET everything else is on log
18:44 mtompset Good day. :)
18:44 SzosszeNET you too :)
18:44 libsysguy hmm
18:44 libsysguy interesting
18:44 wahanui hmmm... interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
18:45 libsysguy wahanui: this time its bad :'(
18:45 wahanui libsysguy: sorry...
18:45 libsysguy heh
18:45 libsysguy oh bot u so silly
18:45 SzosszeNET :D
18:45 libsysguy SzosszeNET: i suppose you could grep the logs folder for "LDAP"
18:47 SzosszeNET # less /var/log/koha/groupkoha/* | grep LDAP # less /var/log/koha/groupkoha/* | grep ldap
18:47 * oleonard is tired of his semi-regular afternoon git connectivity blackout
18:47 SzosszeNET and nothing...
18:47 wahanui i heard nothing was a requirement, we have guidelines though
18:48 jcamins oleonard: why do you have a semi-regular afternoon git blackout?
18:48 SzosszeNET anyway " Home › Administration › System preferences > Logging preferences" there is no verbose logging option (koha 3.8)
18:48 libsysguy SzosszeNET: maybe try: grep -r "LDAP" /var/log
18:48 libsysguy yeah i think there used to be…who changed that
18:49 * libsysguy looks at the other devels glaringly
18:49 SzosszeNET
18:49 jcamins libsysguy: I don't recall there ever being a way to change log verbosity.
18:49 SzosszeNET :D
18:49 libsysguy i could have sworn
18:49 libsysguy anyway
18:49 jcamins I was getting excited when you said there was one, 'cause that'd be great.
18:49 libsysguy that would be nice wouldn't there
18:49 cait jcamins: there used to be a syspref
18:49 libsysguy maybe I'll write that after khall finishes the logger
18:49 cait I never tested it
18:49 cait maybe it#s still there
18:49 SzosszeNET libsysguy grep -r "LDAP" /var/log - nothing :)
18:49 libsysguy grr
18:50 cait but not sure if it does something actually
18:50 jcamins The only way I ever knew to change logs was to set KOHA_DEBUG in the environment.
18:50 jcamins SetEnv KOHA_DEBUG 1
18:50 jcamins (in your Apache config file)
18:50 libsysguy or could you export it
18:50 libsysguy export KOHA_DEBUG=1;
18:51 jcamins libsysguy: if you are able to test LDAP without the web server, yes.
18:51 libsysguy :p
18:51 libsysguy fine
18:51 libsysguy have it your way jcamins :p
18:51 SzosszeNET :D
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18:52 jcamins oleonard_: ohhh, filling in at the library with the absurd firewall?
18:52 oleonard_ No, it's just a random afternoon thing
18:52 jcamins Oh.
18:52 jcamins That's weird.
18:52 libsysguy so SzosszeNET you can try what jcamins said or you can start adding print STDERR's in
18:53 libsysguy those are the only ways I really know how to trouble shoot it
18:53 libsysguy its sad I know
18:53 jcamins We don't know if setting debug will actually provide any useful information, though.
18:53 jcamins Looks like it will.
18:54 jcamins Well, some information.
18:54 oleonard_ There, semi-regular afternoon git connectivity blackout over. Back to work.
18:54 libsysguy yeah wherever $debug is
18:54 * libsysguy crack whip in oleonards general direction
18:56 SzosszeNET hmm, /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/groupkoha :  ServerAlias groupkoha    SetEnv KOHA_CONF "/etc/koha/sites/groupkoha/koha-conf.xml"    SetEnv KOHA_DEBUG 1
18:57 jcamins Right.
18:57 jcamins You'll need to add that line in two places.
18:57 SzosszeNET looks like this, but the log files don't contain more data
18:57 jcamins And you restarted Apache?
18:57 SzosszeNET sure, both for opac+intra
18:57 mtj SzosszeNET, restart apache...
18:57 libsysguy have you looked at the apache logs yet?
18:57 libsysguy I had one weird case where it piped to there
18:58 SzosszeNET I've restarted apache :D
18:59 SzosszeNET and apache logs clean
18:59 jcamins SzosszeNET: try putting the 1 in quotes.
18:59 * jcamins is just guessing.
18:59 SzosszeNET the error log just contains : [Fri Sep 28 19:53:46 2012] [notice] caught SIGTERM, shutting down [Fri Sep 28 19:53:47 2012] [notice] Apache/2.2.16 (Debian) mod_ssl/2.2.16 OpenSSL/0.9.8o configured -- resuming normal operations [Fri Sep 28 19:54:32 2012] [notice] caught SIGTERM, shutting down [Fri Sep 28 19:54:33 2012] [notice] Apache/2.2.16 (Debian) mod_ssl/2.
19:00 SzosszeNET jcamins quotes? where? )
19:00 jcamins SzosszeNET: like so: SetEnv KOHA_DEBUG "1"
19:00 SzosszeNET oh
19:02 SzosszeNET no change...
19:02 jcamins I have a vague recollection that you have to shut down Apache entirely in order to restart a virtual host using HTTPS.
19:02 jcamins However, after that thought I'm out of ideas.
19:03 SzosszeNET tried with stop than start (apache)
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19:04 rambutan @seen bag
19:04 huginn rambutan: bag was last seen in #koha 20 hours, 43 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: <bag> ah 145 tables seems better :)
19:04 SzosszeNET no change...
19:04 SzosszeNET grr...
19:04 SzosszeNET this cannot be true
19:05 bag hello
19:05 * jcamins has never had a use for debug mode. I guess adding warnings the way libsysguy usually does is the only way to go.
19:06 libsysguy usually its the fastest for me
19:06 libsysguy but I'm a (self proclaimed) developer :p
19:06 SzosszeNET :D
19:07 * SzosszeNET is just a half crazy M$ - debian admin hybrid...
19:08 nengard jcamins (or anyone) what patch added the little magnifying classes in the opac next to authority fields?
19:08 jcamins nengard: bug 5888 and...
19:08 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5888 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , opac-detail subject/author links improvements
19:08 nengard thanks
19:08 jcamins There are two.
19:08 jcamins The other is...
19:08 jcamins bug 8210.
19:08 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8210 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Headings in OPAC bib details should link to authority record
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19:27 SzosszeNET hmm[…]9-May/018547.html this also does not help...
19:28 SzosszeNET the strange stuff why is a bad login attempt not logged? :D at all
19:29 SzosszeNET as I found should be logged to the "opac-error.log" but that's empty
19:29 SzosszeNET *almost
19:29 jcamins SzosszeNET: you could try setting $C4::Debug::debug = 1; in C4/, I guess.
19:29 * jcamins can't really recommend that, though.
19:30 jcamins If you're not comfortable with Perl, you could end up with an even worse situation very quickly. :(
19:30 SzosszeNET I'm no programmer...
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19:35 rambutan humm, that bit is interesting actually (CA hosting)
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20:03 SzosszeNET jcamins libsysguy! :D[…]10150321097398209
20:03 jcamins SzosszeNET: that's the blog post that libsysguy wrote.
20:04 SzosszeNET /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/ password=secretcode >junk Can't locate C4/ in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/ l
20:04 SzosszeNET I know ;)
20:05 jcamins You need to set KOHA_CONF and PERL5LIB.
20:05 libsysguy looks like you need to export KOHA_CONF
20:05 jcamins And by running as the correct user.
20:05 libsysguy ^^
20:05 jcamins (koha_groupkoha)
20:05 jcamins No, groupkoha-koha
20:05 jcamins Sorry, MySQL user and system user are different.
20:05 SzosszeNET that's true
20:06 jcamins I mean, they have different naming schemes.
20:08 SzosszeNET so...searched the wiki, but not sure...
20:08 SzosszeNET what am I supposed to do? :)
20:08 jcamins Switch to the system user and set KOHA_CONF and PERL5LIB.
20:08 cait it's done
20:09 jcamins \o/
20:11 drojf oh look, we have a possible future QA manager :)
20:11 jcamins cait++
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20:12 drojf cait++
20:12 drojf "fatal: object abde5352a48aef47f0e459160d9d6e91a9b39df4 is corrupted"--
20:12 jcamins drojf: uh-oh.
20:13 drojf it's all completely b0rked
20:13 jcamins git fsck?
20:13 jcamins --full?
20:13 * jcamins has never used it.
20:13 drojf doesnt work
20:13 jcamins Darn.
20:13 drojf i tried it already
20:13 drojf i try to get the whole folder over anyway
20:14 cait drojf: fatal object? :)
20:15 cait hope you didn't talk about me
20:15 drojf but well, i got the segmentation fault in the middle of trying to git me a 3.8.5, so that was not completely unexpected
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20:15 drojf lol cait, i talk about my git operation ;)
20:16 drojf i did not day annoying object ;)
20:16 drojf say even
20:16 * drojf is referring to the proposal of course, not really calling cait annoying
20:18 jcamins drojf: maybe some of the branches that weren't from will be recoverable?
20:18 jcamins Doesn't matter if the branches that are upstream are recoverable.
20:20 cait drojf: heh
20:21 jcamins install.debian?
20:21 wahanui i think install.debian is at​koha.git;a=blob;f=INSTALL.debian
20:21 jcamins ^^ SzosszeNET: take a look in there for an example of setting KOHA_CONF and PERL5LIB
20:21 jcamins It'll be something like export KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/groupkoha/koha-conf.xml
20:22 drojf jcamins: i'm looking into that. what git fsck says and all, but somehow having "corruption" wirtten everywhere is a little scary. there seem to be some ways to crawl through bits and pieces of git. and there was not actually lots of unique stuff in it. most was stuff from i tested so it does not matter, some was my own but i think most of that is on the bug tracker. i have not been working on any huge projects, some drafts may be lost, some enha
20:22 SzosszeNET grrr...
20:22 SzosszeNET checked on the wiki... :S
20:22 jcamins (and export PERL5LIB=/usr/lib/koha
20:22 jcamins SzosszeNET: it's also on the wiki, but I just figured out how to get that information out of wahanui.
20:23 jcamins drojf: you were cut off after "some drafts may be lost, some enha..."
20:23 drojf oh
20:23 drojf some drafts may be lost, some enhancements to my patches that i would probably not have used anyway.
20:23 jcamins In that case I suggest not worrying about it. :)
20:25 SzosszeNET okay, thanks
20:25 jcamins We should have a koha-shell utility.
20:25 drojf no i think i will give copying the whole folder a try and otherwise just work with a clean git. at least i have a working git again
20:26 jcamins drojf: this time I recommend against bricking your Raspberry Pi. :P
20:26 drojf or maybe i forget about something brilliant i coded and will never remember lol
20:27 drojf jcamins: this time its on a vm on my laptop ;)
20:27 drojf i have a feeling that having a lot of files be written and changed all the time was not too great for the sd card
20:27 jcamins Heh. Probably not too great.
20:28 drojf so the pi will just be a normal koha server ;)
20:28 SzosszeNET oh, and the user? :$
20:28 jcamins SzosszeNET: groupkoha-koha or something like that.
20:28 jcamins I don't know exactly, but you'll be able to tell by looking in /etc/passwd
20:29 SzosszeNET that's true, but what should I do with it? :D
20:29 rambutan drojf: I and my tech have a couple of our personal RPIs here. I was thinking about using them for OPACs in the library, but really they are too slow based on our testing.
20:29 drojf rambutan: tried plack?
20:30 SzosszeNET rambutan did you overclock it
20:30 SzosszeNET ?
20:30 jcamins SzosszeNET: switch to that user so you can set the environment variables and run the script you were trying to run.
20:30 rambutan no, and honestly, I've been busy with SA stuff so I haven't had time to play with them much. I know my tech assistant uses his as an ssh access server at home.
20:31 SzosszeNET not overvolt just overclock , also giving all ram to CPU and taking away almost everything from GPU is also not a bad idea ;)
20:32 rambutan Originally my idea was to buy about a dozen and set up a BOINC cluster.
20:32 jcamins SzosszeNET: drojf used to do all his development on his Raspberry pi.
20:32 drojf rambutan: if you have some time, try it with plack, it works quite ok. i made some tests a while ago, its about 10x faster than without[…]spberry-pi-staff/
20:32 SzosszeNET and was still slow overclocked?
20:33 jcamins SzosszeNET: drojf insists it ran nice and fast.
20:33 SzosszeNET :)
20:34 rambutan Interesting (10x faster).
20:34 drojf SzosszeNET: the one where i made benchmarks was not overclocked. i have benchmarks with overclocking too (1000mhz), its doubles the speed for standard koha, but it does not do much for the plack version
20:35 drojf but the older benchmarks were master at that time, the overclocked ones were 3.84 and 3.8.5, that might make a difference
20:35 SzosszeNET indeed interesting - shame I'm still not a developer and just explorering koha :)
20:35 drojf (btw double the speed for standard koha means it is still painfully slow)
20:36 SzosszeNET shame, the gpu cannot be utilized
20:36 SzosszeNET but that's a quite powerfull beast...
20:37 drojf maybe we will see that one day. we have 240mb ram now too, when i started they said more than 224 is not possible
20:37 SzosszeNET that was true :)
20:37 rambutan BOINC performs best with a good GPU, but requires the modules be written specifically for the GPU
20:37 SzosszeNET recently was made 240mb possible
20:39 rangi gah tcohen fed the troll
20:39 cait which one?
20:39 wahanui somebody said which one was 3.6.x?
20:39 cait there were so mny
20:39 rangi you'll see the message on the mailing list
20:40 jcamins I'm past trying on that.
20:41 rangi yep, every reply gives him another opportunity to spread FUD
20:41 jcamins If I thought he might listen, I'd tell him how to fix it, but I know he wouldn't follow the instructions I gave him.
20:41 cait :(
20:42 cait but the library...
20:42 jcamins cait: is going to have a borked up system either way, since he wouldn't fix it when I told him to.
20:47 drojf we have trolls?
20:48 drojf ah, that person i stopped reading emails of log ago
20:48 drojf long even
20:48 jcamins Do nai feed them or they will follow you home.
20:49 SzosszeNET drojf first I'll be happy if I can run it on a vmware host :D
20:50 drojf :)
20:50 SzosszeNET indeed khm...slightly slow :D
20:50 SzosszeNET but not that bad
20:51 drojf i think there are servers in production with that speed ;)
20:51 SzosszeNET yep :)
20:52 drojf you could probably feel the speed better if you had seen how it works without plack
20:52 SzosszeNET F***meeee!!!!!!!!!!!! " 22:48:12 2012] [error] [client] [Fri Sep 28 22:48:12 2012] LDAP error #32: LDAP_NO_SUCH_OBJECT,"
20:52 SzosszeNET finally it talks to me :D
20:52 SzosszeNET yeah! :D
20:52 jcamins SzosszeNET: progress!
20:52 wahanui somebody said progress was good
20:52 rambutan drojf: will take a look
20:55 drojf kf: a raspberry pi for every participant in the workshop? we would not have to deal with VMs then ;) i guess the TH could afford to give them out for free
20:55 jcamins TH?
20:56 drojf hm she's cait, not kf
20:56 drojf lol
20:56 cait maybe a bit too slow to make a good impresssion :)
20:57 drojf technische hochschule. technical university?
20:57 jcamins Ah.
20:57 cait :)
21:02 SzosszeNET hmmm, hope almost there : LDAP bind failed as kohauser mag: LDAP error #49: LDAP_INVALID_CREDENTIALS
21:02 SzosszeNET however the pw is supposed to be ok...
21:03 * jcamins speculates wildly that the problem is probably with the OU, then points out that he doesn't generally configure LDAP.
21:04 rambutan drojf: yea, it's slow, but not really unreasonable. Surely MySql is running on a different machine, right?
21:04 SzosszeNET jcamins as the credentials are not ok I think my user if found now...
21:04 drojf rambutan: same machine
21:04 drojf rambutan: i would put it on a second pi if i had one ;)
21:05 jcamins SzosszeNET: I warned you I didn't know what I was talking about. ;)
21:05 SzosszeNET ;)
21:06 jcamins Suggestion B is that it's trying to bind by the wrong user.
21:06 jcamins *with
21:06 jcamins And you need to enable auth-by-bind.
21:06 jcamins Or disable it.
21:06 jcamins Or re-envision it in an edgy and unconventional gothic setting.
21:07 jcamins Yes, it is past 5pm on a Friday for me, why do you ask?
21:07 drojf whatever you do, feel free to fill lots of wiki pages and blog posts with what you find out, i might have to do ldap configuration one day
21:08 rambutan drojf: well, that's actually impressive
21:08 SzosszeNET :) bind-by-auth was enabled
21:08 jcamins Yes, definitely be sure to note down how you fix the problem.
21:08 jcamins And how you did not fix the problem.
21:08 rambutan Koha Pi Cluster, anyone?
21:08 jcamins Both are important.
21:08 drojf rambutan: right? plack is witchcraft
21:08 drojf +1 for pi cluster
21:09 SzosszeNET would be interested :D
21:09 SzosszeNET \o/
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21:33 SzosszeNET got it work
21:33 SzosszeNET :D
21:33 SzosszeNET but "AddMember failed at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 169."
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21:39 SzosszeNET Think is in pair with this : DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Column 'categorycode' cannot be null at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 184, <DATA> line 522.,
21:51 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #187: SUCCESS in 38 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/187/
21:51 jenkins_koha fridolyn.somers: Bug 8702: System preferences search does not allow accented letters
21:51 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8702 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , System preferences search does not allow accented letters
21:51 jenkins_koha Starting build #188 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
21:58 drojf SzosszeNET: that somehow sounds like the OU jcamins_away mentioned
21:59 drojf not that i know anything about ldap
22:00 SzosszeNET :D
22:00 SzosszeNET it's not LDAP anymore
22:00 SzosszeNET it's working
22:00 SzosszeNET it's koha+ldap
22:00 SzosszeNET I mean
22:01 SzosszeNET now as ldap does resolve and authenticate koha is supposed to store the user in mysql
22:01 SzosszeNET but the process stops as :DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Column 'categorycode' cannot be null at /usr/share/koha/lib//C4/ line 184, <DATA> line 522. AddMember failed at /usr/share/koha/lib//C4/ line 178, <DATA> line 522.
22:01 drojf do you have categorycode in your mapping?
22:02 drojf are you using a real patron or your database user?
22:02 SzosszeNET yes, and also already created a category in koha "user"
22:02 SzosszeNET <categorycode is="user"/>
22:03 SzosszeNET <drojf>: are you using a real patron or your database user? please clarify :)
22:07 drojf you have a database user (the one in koha-conf.xml) that you use to login for the first time and do database upgrades after updates. that is not a full patron or staff member. in case you are trying to authenticate an existing patron that should probably be tried with one you entered yourself
22:07 drojf does that make sense?
22:08 SzosszeNET yes
22:09 drojf also, is "user" your categorycode or the description of that code?
22:09 SzosszeNET that's the category code - but the mapping is not used/accepted as it is...I think
22:10 drojf ok so much for my ideas, go on having fun ;)
22:10 SzosszeNET and where I am - as I told I authenticate against AD - first time. What happens as I found I authenticte and koha creates my login on first logon
22:11 SzosszeNET so I'm authenticating with a to be patron which does not exist yet :)
22:11 drojf ah i see
22:11 SzosszeNET kind of crazy
22:11 drojf not really
22:11 drojf oh
22:11 SzosszeNET so the question how do I set the default categorycode?
22:12 SzosszeNET I think not supposed to be in the mapping...
22:15 drojf it sounds like you dont have set that categorycode in koha administration, at least not exactly like in your ldap config
22:15 drojf maybe caps some place and not the other?
22:16 drojf but then it would not say its empty i guess
22:16 SzosszeNET indeed
22:17 SzosszeNET just to clear out
22:17 SzosszeNET Home › Administration › Patron categories
22:17 SzosszeNET and here code is the categorycode
22:18 drojf yes
22:18 drojf BUT
22:18 drojf you can only set the categorycode in caps
22:18 drojf and you said you have 'user' in the ldap config
22:19 rangi <categorycode is="employeetype" >PFRSTAFF</categorycode>
22:19 rangi you need something like that
22:19 rangi where PFRSTAFF is your default
22:19 rangi and employeetype is the AD field
22:19 rangi you have just a mix up in your config
22:20 rangi from the man
22:20 rangi The <mapping> subelements establish the relationship between mysql fields and LDAP attributes. The element name is the column in mysql, with the "is" characteristic set to the LDAP attribute name. Optionally, any content between the element tags is taken as the default value. In this example, the default categorycode is "PT" (for patron).
22:21 rangi http://perldoc.koha-community.[…]and_field_mapping
22:23 * rangi heads out
22:29 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #188: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/188/
22:29 jenkins_koha maxime.pelletier: Bug 8659 Remove and readd the inactive funds in javascript to make it work in all browsers
22:29 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8659 normal, P5 - low, ---, pelletiermaxime, Pushed to Stable , Inactive funds in neworderempty not disabled in IE/Opera
22:52 SzosszeNET what is the branchcode on koha GUI?
22:52 SzosszeNET DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Cannot add or update a child row: a foreign key constraint fails (`koha_groupkoha`.`borrowers`, CONSTRAINT `borrowers_ibfk_2` FOREIGN KEY (`branchcode`) REFERENCES `branches` (`branchcode`))
22:52 SzosszeNET or where it is
22:55 SzosszeNET found thanks :)
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