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* chris_n |
finds it interesting that he lost his notices history during the upgrade from 3.2 to 3.8 |
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mtj |
wooh, go postgres! -> http://developers.slashdot.org[…]roved-scalability |
| 02:20 |
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jcamins_away |
mtj: now if only creating users in postgres weren't a horrible nuisance. |
| 02:21 |
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mtj |
i dont recall it being tricky? |
| 02:26 |
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mtj |
jcamins_away, im curious - whats the nuisance? |
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jcamins_away |
mtj: you have to su to root in order to create a postgres user. |
| 02:57 |
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* jcamins_away |
disapproves of root shells. |
| 03:00 |
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jcamins_away |
mtj: at least, that's what the instructions said. Since setting up postgres was a one-time activity on a development VM, I accepted the instructions at face value. |
| 03:00 |
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mtj |
hmm, really? i cant believe that... |
| 03:01 |
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mtj |
http://www.postgresql.org/docs[…]l-createuser.html |
| 03:02 |
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mtj |
'CREATE USER adds a new user to a PostgreSQL …. You must be a database superuser to use this command.' |
| 03:02 |
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jcamins_away |
mtj: nor could I. But that's what the postgres quickstart doc said. So I followed the instructions, and made a mental note to not configure postgres again until someone pointed out a better quickstart guide. |
| 03:02 |
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jcamins_away |
Right. According to the quickstart guide, you must su to root in order to login as the database superuser. |
| 03:03 |
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mtj |
lol, ok |
| 03:03 |
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jcamins_away |
Thankfully, I have installed postgres on the one VM that needs it. :) |
| 03:07 |
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mtj |
ftw, heres an example without having to su as root -> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/h[…]esql-user-account |
| 03:08 |
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mtj |
oops, i might be wrong about that , even... |
| 03:08 |
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mtj |
# su - postgres |
| 03:10 |
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jcamins_away |
Yeah, and the guide said `sudo su - postgres` wouldn't work. |
| 03:10 |
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* jcamins_away |
shrugs |
| 03:10 |
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jcamins_away |
No need for you to spend time researching it. |
| 03:11 |
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jcamins_away |
I didn't destroy my system with the root shell, so no harm done. :) |
| 03:11 |
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mtj |
well, i just knew i would prove you wrong…. or not :/ |
| 03:12 |
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jcamins_away |
Hehe. Yeah... it's absolutely unbelievable. |
| 03:12 |
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jcamins_away |
I'm sure there's another way to do it, but there's rather too much documentation to go through when all I want to do is create a user quickly. |
| 03:19 |
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senator |
jcamins_away: just rolling by, had to defend postgres. yeah that's faulty documentation. you definitely do not need a root shell. sudo su postgres is fine. |
| 03:20 |
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jcamins_away |
senator: good to know. This was pre-deciding to install Evergreen, or I would've been bugging you about it. |
| 03:23 |
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mtj |
senator++ |
| 03:25 |
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senator |
koha++ # rise in koha/evergreen community cross-pollination lately. much credit to jcamins |
| 03:26 |
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mtj |
(goods news for when koha gets postgres reintergrated) |
| 03:26 |
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senator |
(evergreen contributors cannot help but use botanical metaphors) |
| 03:26 |
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jcamins_away |
Hehe. |
| 03:28 |
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mtj |
oooh, random hail in wgtn! |
| 03:31 |
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ibeardslee |
and this morning was beautiful and sunny and I thought 'I don't need the rain jacket today' |
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Oak |
Ahoy me hearties |
| 04:00 |
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bag |
heya Oak |
| 04:06 |
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Oak |
heya bag :) |
| 04:15 |
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rangi |
eek bug 8753 |
| 04:15 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8753 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Add forgot password link to OPAC |
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mtj |
hmm, i'd like to see a screnshot of that bug... |
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mtompset |
Greetings, #koha. |
| 05:10 |
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rangi |
@wunder nzwn |
| 05:10 |
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huginn |
rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 8.0°C (4:00 PM NZST on September 11, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Rising). |
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mtompset |
Greetings, rangi. |
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alex_a |
bonjour! |
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reiveune |
hello |
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wahanui |
que tal, reiveune |
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mveron |
Good morning #koha |
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matts |
hi ! |
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mtompset |
Greetings, #koha... |
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magnuse |
bbl |
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| 07:50 |
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mtompset |
Greetings again, #koha. |
| 07:51 |
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mtompset |
Anyone have an opinion on the best way to set environment variables which is generally generic? |
| 07:51 |
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mtompset |
That is... I logout, login in, and the variables just happen to be set. |
| 07:52 |
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rangi |
there is no generic way, it depends entirely on what shell people use |
| 07:53 |
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mtompset |
:( That's a lousy reality. |
| 07:54 |
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rangi |
you are best to give an example for bash, as thats probably the most common shell |
| 07:54 |
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rangi |
people using other ones probably know how to set them |
| 07:54 |
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mtompset |
In which case an /etc/profile.d/koha_env.sh is an okay idea? |
| 07:55 |
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rangi |
not /etc |
| 07:55 |
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eythian |
mtompset: system-wide variables?> |
| 07:56 |
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eythian |
or just in general? |
| 07:56 |
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mtompset |
I'm trying to clean up the last part of the Ubuntu docs before de-tar-ifying them. |
| 07:56 |
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kf |
hey eythian |
| 07:56 |
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eythian |
hi kf |
| 07:56 |
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mtompset |
And it was saying to put something in /etc/bash.bashrc.local |
| 07:56 |
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mtompset |
But that isn't even called. |
| 07:56 |
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kf |
eythian: the nice weather returned :) |
| 07:56 |
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mtompset |
(it is in other OS's) |
| 07:57 |
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kf |
eythian: seems Konstanz is finally over you ;) |
| 07:57 |
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eythian |
mtompset: so you want system-wide? |
| 07:57 |
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mtompset |
Yes, because then it should work in cron, or a user shell. |
| 07:57 |
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eythian |
because /etc/environment |
| 07:57 |
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eythian |
kf: not so awesome here, alas |
| 07:57 |
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eythian |
@wunder den haag |
| 07:57 |
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huginn |
eythian: The current temperature in Green Valley Ranch Golf Club, Denver, Colorado is 10.0°C (1:55 AM MDT on September 11, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.75 in 1008 hPa (Falling). |
| 07:57 |
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eythian |
that is not what I asked for |
| 07:58 |
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kf |
@wunder Konstanz |
| 07:58 |
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huginn |
kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 18.2°C (9:55 AM CEST on September 11, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:59 |
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mtompset |
Does /etc/environment work on Debian too? |
| 08:00 |
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eythian |
@wunder the hague |
| 08:00 |
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huginn |
eythian: The current temperature in Den Haag, Den Haag, Netherlands is 17.4°C (9:50 AM CEST on September 11, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). |
| 08:00 |
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eythian |
mtompset: it works on Ubuntu, probably debian too |
| 08:01 |
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| 08:15 |
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mtompset |
I'll test that theory later. I'm about to test if /etc/environment affects cron.d --- Ooooo! It did. :) |
| 08:16 |
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mtompset |
I'm grabbing the latest Debian netinstall ISO. |
| 08:23 |
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| 08:33 |
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mtompset |
Is there an optimized git clone command that doesn't download 400MB+ the first time? |
| 08:33 |
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| 08:34 |
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mtompset |
git clone git://git.koha-community.org/koha.git kohaclone <--- really big initial download. |
| 08:37 |
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rangi |
depends what you want to do with it |
| 08:37 |
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rangi |
if you want to use it for dev .. which is really all you would want to do with the git repo .. then you need it all |
| 08:38 |
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rangi |
but you could use --depth to get a shallower history ... |
| 08:38 |
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rangi |
but you cant push from it, or clone from it |
| 08:39 |
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rangi |
so if you only wanted the recent history, you could do that, i wouldnt tell people to do that though unless they knew their way around git very well |
| 08:51 |
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mtompset |
That's what I thought. :( |
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drojf |
good day #koha |
| 08:56 |
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rangi |
hi drojf |
| 08:56 |
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drojf |
hey rangi |
| 09:00 |
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drojf |
internet sucky, brb |
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| 09:02 |
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mtompset |
Hate when the internet connectivity is sucky. |
| 09:02 |
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mtompset |
Greetings, drojf. |
| 09:02 |
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slef |
mtompset: I get DSL back today |
| 09:02 |
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drojf |
hey mtompset |
| 09:02 |
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wahanui |
mtompset is trying to do a variety of projects in less than three months! |
| 09:02 |
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slef |
what are GMDs? |
| 09:02 |
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mtompset |
I should change that to two. :) |
| 09:03 |
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mtompset |
Genetically Modified Devils? |
| 09:03 |
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mtompset |
Yes, that was a totally random guess. |
| 09:03 |
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mtompset |
Gifts of Mass Destruction. :) |
| 09:03 |
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drojf |
slef: "real" internet, congratulations. that took a while |
| 09:04 |
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slef |
mtompset: it's related to RDA, so you may be closer than the "real" answer. |
| 09:04 |
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slef |
drojf: British Telecon (who have a monopoly on the last mile in most places) blamed the Olympics and Paralympics. |
| 09:04 |
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kf |
slef: where did you meet GMDs? because I ran into some of those during a migration recently... |
| 09:04 |
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slef |
drojf: while running TV ads telling us how BT was bringing the nation together to follow the olympics. |
| 09:05 |
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slef |
kf: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]om_David_Schuster |
| 09:05 |
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drojf |
ah makes sense. all these sports people that and fans that needed their own DSL while in the UK :D |
| 09:05 |
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mtompset |
Perhaps Generic Media Descriptor? |
| 09:05 |
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mtompset |
http://cataids.wordpress.com/2[…]-will-affect-gmd/ |
| 09:06 |
|
* slef |
does the login shuffle to expand GMD on first use on the wiki page |
| 09:06 |
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kf |
slef: hm not totally sure, but maybe something about the new way to catalog media types and such? :( |
| 09:07 |
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slef |
kf: mtompset: links to http://www.loc.gov/marc/changes-rda-338.html which looks authoritative |
| 09:09 |
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drojf |
the loc website does not load for me. my internet seems to be unhappy for some reason |
| 09:09 |
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slef |
wahanui: RDA? |
| 09:09 |
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wahanui |
RDA is probably a room in a twisty maze of standards |
| 09:09 |
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slef |
Resource Description and Access |
| 09:09 |
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slef |
wahanui: FRBR? |
| 09:09 |
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wahanui |
no idea, slef |
| 09:10 |
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slef |
wahanui: you are not much good at this, are you? |
| 09:10 |
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wahanui |
slef: i don't know |
| 09:10 |
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mtompset |
maze? |
| 09:10 |
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mtompset |
standards? |
| 09:10 |
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wahanui |
standards are what you use to hold up a fence. |
| 09:11 |
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slef |
wahanui: FRBR is Functional Requirements for Bibliographic Records |
| 09:11 |
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wahanui |
OK, slef. |
| 09:11 |
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eythian |
least helpful acronym expansion ever |
| 09:12 |
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slef |
eythian: the rest of the definition I've got is "a conceptual entity-relationship model developed by the International Federation of Library Associations and Institutions (IFLA) that relates user tasks of retrieval and access in online library catalogues and bibliographic databases from a user’s perspective. It represents a more holistic approach" |
| 09:12 |
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slef |
eythian: which doesn't really add much... |
| 09:12 |
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eythian |
but it's holistic |
| 09:12 |
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eythian |
oh, there's an alarm going here that everyone is ignoring. |
| 09:12 |
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eythian |
I suppose I should ignore it too |
| 09:13 |
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eythian |
oh it stopped |
| 09:13 |
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eythian |
no, false alarm, it's back again. |
| 09:13 |
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slef |
eythian: can I describe it as a link to the Whole Sort of General Mish Mash? |
| 09:13 |
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eythian |
it would seem to be appropriate |
| 09:13 |
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slef |
eythian: I think having a library park at the end of my drive was a better unexpected interruption |
| 09:14 |
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eythian |
Well, I'm in a library. |
| 09:24 |
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eythian |
http://www.mightyape.co.nz/pro[…]rd/20219413/?nt=1 |
| 09:27 |
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| 09:27 |
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vfernandes |
hi guys |
| 09:28 |
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vfernandes |
anyone here has experience in URL rewrite in apache? |
| 09:28 |
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slef |
vfernandes: yes, far too much. |
| 09:28 |
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slef |
first question |
| 09:28 |
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wahanui |
"What are you trying to do?" "What is the goal?" or "What problem are you experiencing?" |
| 09:30 |
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mtompset |
vfernandes, if you are asking because of a reverse proxy, you need to pass the Fully Qualified Domain Name, not a shortened version. |
| 09:32 |
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| 09:35 |
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vfernandes |
what I need is simple... a need to redirect opac-main.pl?logout=1 to opac-search.pl |
| 09:35 |
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eythian |
vfernandes: do you need it to run opac-main.pl first? |
| 09:36 |
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eythian |
because if not, that should be simple enough to not need a rewrite. |
| 09:36 |
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eythian |
Just a redirect |
| 09:36 |
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vfernandes |
ok but the user needs to be logout |
| 09:36 |
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vfernandes |
so If thing the opac-main.pl needs to run |
| 09:36 |
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vfernandes |
*I think |
| 09:37 |
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eythian |
OK. |
| 09:37 |
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mtompset |
So you allow users to log in? |
| 09:37 |
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eythian |
that's harder then |
| 09:37 |
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eythian |
The best way (arguably) would be to create a syspref that is "URL to redirect to after logout" |
| 09:38 |
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eythian |
which would be generally useful for people who'd like to send the browser back to a portal or somethibng |
| 09:39 |
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vfernandes |
the objective is to "remove" the OPAC main page... the users can login but when he log outs its redirect to the OPAC main page |
| 09:39 |
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vfernandes |
http://catalogo.ubi.pt |
| 09:39 |
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eythian |
--\ Packages being removed because they are no longer used (3) |
| 09:39 |
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eythian |
libhtml-template-pro-perl |
| 09:39 |
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eythian |
I like that every time I see it |
| 09:40 |
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eythian |
vfernandes: how do they log in if you remove the main page, or do you direct them to the login page from somewhere else? |
| 09:40 |
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eythian |
ah, I see |
| 09:41 |
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eythian |
in that case, probably a rewrite rule is what you want |
| 09:41 |
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eythian |
so if it matches exactly .../opac-main.pl, it redirects them away. |
| 09:42 |
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eythian |
http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2[…]te/remapping.html <-- this should help |
| 09:43 |
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vfernandes |
I've already saw that page but i can't make it work in the Koha :/ |
| 09:45 |
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eythian |
what happens when you try? |
| 09:47 |
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vfernandes |
page not found |
| 09:47 |
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eythian |
RewriteRule ^/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main\.pl$ / [R] |
| 09:47 |
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eythian |
is what I would expect to work |
| 09:49 |
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eythian |
what URL does it try when you get the page not found? |
| 09:49 |
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eythian |
Keep in mind it's also possible to log rewrite operations |
| 09:52 |
|
* mtompset |
grumbles about an "optional" component causing "make test" to fail horribly in a git clone. |
| 09:53 |
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* mtompset |
tries a git pull to see if there is anything out there. |
| 09:54 |
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* mtompset |
grumbles and just installs the missing component pondering what to write about this kind of case in the documentation. |
| 09:56 |
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eythian |
mtompset: if the component isn't really optional, you're better making a patch that changes its status |
| 09:57 |
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mtompset |
cache-memcached-fast |
| 09:57 |
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mtompset |
I do believe it is optional. |
| 09:57 |
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mtompset |
Perhaps a test needs to be moved? |
| 09:57 |
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eythian |
ah, but it breaks just the tests. |
| 09:57 |
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eythian |
could be |
| 09:57 |
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eythian |
I'm not sure if we have a policy for that |
| 09:57 |
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eythian |
(we certainly should) |
| 09:58 |
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mtompset |
I'll just blame jcamins_away. ;) |
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eythian |
seems fair |
| 09:58 |
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eythian |
it's what he gets for being away |
| 09:58 |
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* mtompset |
likes eythian's perspective. :) |
| 10:02 |
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vfernandes |
eythian with that rule redirect to cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl/index.html/index.html/index.html/index.html/index.html/index.html/index.html/index.html/index.html/index.html/index.html/index.html/index.html/index.html/index.html/index.html/index.html/index.html/index.html/ |
| 10:03 |
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eythian |
curious |
| 10:03 |
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eythian |
maybe try putting the full http://... bit in |
| 10:09 |
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mtompset |
Would a ,L be useful? |
| 10:10 |
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eythian |
acutally, in that case, probably yes |
| 10:10 |
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eythian |
acutally is a new word I just invented. |
| 10:12 |
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mtompset |
acutally? |
| 10:12 |
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wahanui |
well, acutally is a new word I just invented. |
| 10:12 |
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* mtompset |
laughs. |
| 10:12 |
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drojf |
http://www.urbandictionary.com[…]php?term=acutally |
| 10:14 |
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mtompset |
not so good. |
| 10:14 |
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kf |
hi drojf :) |
| 10:14 |
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drojf |
hi kf :) |
| 10:14 |
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drojf |
slides? |
| 10:14 |
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wahanui |
kf should be writing slides |
| 10:14 |
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kf |
meh. |
| 10:14 |
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kf |
abstract today |
| 10:14 |
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kf |
but not much better |
| 10:17 |
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drojf |
@wunder berlin, germany |
| 10:17 |
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huginn |
drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 25.6°C (12:12 PM CEST on September 11, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). |
| 10:18 |
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drojf |
last summer day. better go to spend it in the office :/ |
| 10:19 |
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mtompset |
Actually, eythian, Member_Attributes test cleanly fails on DBD::Mock not installed. |
| 10:19 |
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mtompset |
So, perhaps the the test that blew up on missing cache-memcached-fast needs a tweak. |
| 10:19 |
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eythian |
mtompset: oh, good to know |
| 10:19 |
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eythian |
yeah |
| 10:19 |
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eythian |
that seems quite plausible |
| 10:22 |
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mtompset |
-- or not. :( |
| 10:22 |
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mtompset |
It caught the error, but it caused a fail. |
| 10:30 |
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pastebot |
"mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Failed Tests After being forced to install libcache-memcached-fast-perl" (27 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/168 |
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mtompset |
Installed libdbd-mock-perl and re-runnning. |
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mtompset |
Good. make test passed. |
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mtompset |
Is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]dexing_with_Zebra not recommended? |
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mtompset |
The packages use cron by default. |
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eythian |
the background indexing thing is still fairly new |
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eythian |
packages tend to lag a bit behind the implementation of things like that, unless the person putting them in Koha adds package support themselves. Otherwise it's up to someone else to need it enough to implement it. |
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mtompset |
I personally like vi. The instructions currently say gedit. What is a good text-only editor that would likely be installed by default on Ubuntu and Debian that doesn't have a major learning curve? |
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mtompset |
nano? |
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eythian |
My only concern with gedit is that it shouldn't be installed on a server |
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eythian |
whereas I'm pretty sure nano is by default, on debian at least. |
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eythian |
Typically it's the first thing I remove. |
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mtompset |
Well, the instructions do say to swap 'nano' for your favorite editor at the top. |
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mtompset |
I'm just trying to put something reasonable for those who aren't familiar with any editors by default and would not likely remove nano. |
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mtompset |
gedit makes no sense ifthe instructions say we recommend a server edition of ubuntu. |
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eythian |
yeah |
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eythian |
I'd say nano would be fine, and it has little onscreen help to drive it. |
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Barrc |
Is it just me that manages to create a site/database of "koha_koha" when using "koha-create --create-db koha" ?? Shouldn't it created as just "koha" !? |
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Oak |
i think 'koha-' is the db prefix the script adds |
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jcamins_away |
Barrc: Oak is correct. That is by design. |
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Barrc |
Right - I though I was doing something silly! Just out of curiosity, why is it so? |
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jcamins_away |
So that the packages don't clobber your existing data. |
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jcamins_away |
That would be bad. |
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jcamins_away |
:) |
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Barrc |
But on the downside - it doesn't name your database as specified! Could we check for "clobber" before creation!? |
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jcamins_away |
koha-create is intended to create a Koha instance, not a database. |
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Oak |
Barrc, if you ever get to use cPanel or Site5 hosting accounts, their scripts also add a db prefix whenever you create a new database. |
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jcamins |
I can't see any benefit to not using a prefix, and lots of potential disadvantages. |
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Oak |
there must some good reason for this i'm sure. let me google that. |
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Barrc |
jcamins: But it does create an empty db called koha_koha. There is no bother changing it, I was just curious why the name is prefaced! |
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jcamins |
Barrc: several reasons, just off the top of my head: |
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Barrc |
The preface would be redundant too, wouldn't it, if it was the same each instance! |
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jcamins |
1) you know what the database is for. Most libraries do not use "koha" as an instance name. |
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jcamins |
Also, instance names appear in the DNS generally. |
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Oak |
makes sence... |
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Barrc |
Do most signal site (instance) Koha's not use koha as their db name? |
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Barrc |
Not that any of this really matters - I am just curious is all! |
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Barrc |
single |
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jcamins |
So if you want the DNS to be archives.whatever.com, and you also have a program for storing your archives database that you set up first, you now have a problem. |
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jcamins |
I wouldn't think so. |
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jcamins |
Much better to use the name of your institution. |
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jcamins |
That said, most places use "library" |
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jcamins |
(in my experience) |
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jcamins |
2) as I said, clobbering data is bad, and predictability is good. |
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Barrc |
OK - makes sense. I haven't installed any multi database sites, all our Koha sites are on individual VMs running one sole website - good to know though! |
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jcamins |
3) if you show up and say "my predecessor set up a Koha installation using packages, but I accidentally deleted /etc/koha/*" right now we can probably tell you with some certainty where the data is. With a different naming scheme, we'd have to give several places to check (a problem because most people using Koha for the first time probably don't know how to use MySQL). |
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nods, "We use 'library'." |
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kf |
hi jcamins |
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mtompset |
Does the documentation mention that the create-db relates to the URL that is being expected? |
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jcamins |
mtompset: yes. |
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mtompset |
I'm almost finished pass 1 of cleaning up the ubuntu documentation. |
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eythian |
I tend to use the name of the organisation |
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eythian |
it also makes migrating data to a shared testing environment that little bit easier. |
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oleonard |
Hi #koha |
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kf |
hi oleonard and paul_p |
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mtompset |
Greetings, oleonard and paul_p |
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mtompset |
Greetings, julian_m. :) |
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not really here, at a training day |
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julian_m |
hello mtompset |
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* magnuse |
does not really wave to paul_p |
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* mtompset |
laughs, "Good one, magnuse." |
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magnuse |
:-) |
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* druthb |
waves to the not-Paul, too. |
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jcamins |
oleonard: I'm pretty sure rangi's meme was intended in agreement. |
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oleonard |
Just wanted to make sure |
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oleonard |
I considered suggesting a solution that involved the circ and fine rules matrix, but not only did that not seem to fit well but changes to that never seem to happen [well] |
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* jcamins |
is pro-syspref. |
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* kf |
is pro-syspref too |
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kf |
and I agree with jcamins about rangi's meme :) |
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druthb |
rangi's meme? |
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magnuse |
rangi's meme? |
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oleonard |
His comment on Bug 8236 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8236 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha, Failed QA , Prevent renewing if overdue or restriction |
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druthb |
lulz |
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magnuse |
tee hee |
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tcohen |
moooorning #koha |
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mtompset |
Oh that is awesome. |
| 12:45 |
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mtompset |
rangi++ # loved the syspref meme. |
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mtompset |
Greetings, tcohen. |
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tcohen |
rangi++ |
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magnuse |
rangi++ (but can't really see alternatives to sysprefs in a lot of situations) |
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jcamins |
magnuse: forcing a change on everyone? |
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magnuse |
yeah, we can't do that |
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jcamins |
If we don't syspref things we will. |
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magnuse |
yup, that's why sysprefs are necessary, even if they sometimes appear as necessary evils... |
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* jcamins |
doesn't have any objection to syspref proliferation. |
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magnuse |
cool |
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mtompset |
But then they need to be documented well, so people remember why they were added and what they are for :) |
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magnuse |
sure |
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magnuse |
and checking that the sysprefs "make sense" is probably a good idea |
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magnuse |
guess we already have the beginnings of that in the "system information" tab under "about Koha" |
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mtompset |
okay... jcamins, you don't have a master branch... what commands would you use to force a branch to track 3.8.x? |
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jcamins |
git checkout -b bug_whatever origin/3.8.x |
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mtompset |
so: git checkout -b my_3.8.x origin/3.8.x |
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mtompset |
git branch -D master |
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jcamins |
That works too. |
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jcamins |
I wouldn't check out a plain 3.8.x branch either. |
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mtompset |
so: git checkout -b my_3.8.4 origin/3.8.4 |
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mtompset |
git branch -D master |
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jcamins |
No, if you're checking out a version, just use the tag. |
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jcamins |
git checkout v3.08.04 |
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mtompset |
so: git checkout v3.08.04 |
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mtompset |
git branch -D master |
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jcamins |
If you're not doing development, you can safely leave the master branch. |
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mtompset |
So, do a "standard" install using a git repo? |
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magnuse |
huh, why delete master? |
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oleonard |
To stick it to the man |
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jcamins |
magnuse: because if you leave the master branch, you greatly increase the chance of ending up with an out-of-date topic branch. |
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mtompset |
what's a topic branch? |
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magnuse |
uh huh, if you say so... ;-) |
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jcamins |
magnuse: if you don't ever end up with out-of-date branches while using a local master, then there's no reason to delete it. |
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jcamins |
Also, with a local master you greatly increase the chance of accidentally committing to it. |
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* mtompset |
nods, "Yep." |
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magnuse |
"Topic branches are typically lightweight branches that you create locally and that have a name that is meaningful for you. They are where you might do work for a bug fix or feature (they're also called feature branches) that is expected to take some time to complete." http://stackoverflow.com/quest[…]-git-topic-branch |
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mtompset |
So, let's say someone does the "git checkout v3.08.04" |
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mtompset |
Is the assumption they will answer "dev" to "perl Makefile.PL"? |
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jcamins |
It's up to them. |
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jcamins |
If they want a dev install, yes. |
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jcamins |
Otherwise, no. |
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mtompset |
Hmm.... |
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jcamins |
I'd say if you're doing a standard install you might as well just download the tarball, though. |
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jcamins |
Or, much better, use packages. |
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mtompset |
Wouldn't a "git checkout v3.08.05" be faster than grabbing the tarball if you already have 3.08.04 checked out? |
| 13:25 |
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jcamins |
Probably, but why would you have a git checkout? |
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tcohen |
i'd like to vote for the removal of the discouraged flag for tarball install in the docs |
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* mtompset |
chuckles. |
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mtompset |
Sorry, tcohen. mtj and I had a chat yesterday. |
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jcamins |
tcohen: why? Packages are much easier to support. |
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mtompset |
Anything resembling a tarball install will be hidden far away from users. |
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mtompset |
I hope to hide the tarball instructions on the Wiki at least. |
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mtompset |
But that hasn't been confirmed or denied yet. |
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mtompset |
Because the goal is Wiki --> INSTALL.OS file |
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mtompset |
and then Documentation generated from Wiki into git repo. |
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mtompset |
And then Wiki generated from git repo source. |
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mtompset |
Which means the tarball instructions may get hidden into the repo, but not be put out in a Wiki or INSTALL.OS format. |
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Barrc |
mtompset: personally, I wouldn't be too quick to hide the tarball instructions. Granted, they may generate more questions, but at the very least it gives a good overall view of how Koha hangs together |
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Barrc |
more so than install from packages does |
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mtompset |
Yes, but the question is: what is our role? education or support? |
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mtompset |
support is easier with packages. |
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Barrc |
Yep - agreed. |
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Barrc |
However..... |
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Barrc |
non sys admins (in the library world) tend to like the idea of seeing what is going on - especially if they have (or are about to) switched from a 'closed-source' solution. |
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Barrc |
I know a fair few library users (mid range tech abilities) that got Koha down (tarball) and played with it before coming near us. They seemed to really like the idea of it being available - packages install might not be a transparent |
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mtompset |
That may be true, but the problem is... forgive the vulgarity of the meme, but sometimes people are: http://weknowmemes.com/2012/07/askhole/ |
| 13:35 |
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Barrc |
Just my 2 cents is all ..... |
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mtompset |
Also, but using packages... you save disk space by not having to compile it yourself. |
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mtompset |
^but^by^ |
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mtompset |
I totally understand where you are coming from. I like it myself. However, given my limited work time frame. Packages are really my only option on a forward basis. |
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Barrc |
I am all for packages.......I would just suggest maybe adding a disclaimer to the tarball install docs instead of hiding them! |
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mtompset |
People don't read disclaimers. |
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Barrc |
That is mostly true! |
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mtompset |
Have you ever clicked Next without reading the End User License Agreement? |
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wizzyrea |
^^ |
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Barrc |
Ha - I would still be reading some of them if I didn't! |
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mtompset |
I know, but that proves people are in a rush to accomplish what they want, and how they figure it will work. |
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mtompset |
Giving a tarball to a novice is like handing a loaded gun to a baby. |
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wizzyrea |
also I know of lots of librarians, non tech, who just want to try something out, and don't want to screw around with why the FFFF zebra doesn't work |
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wizzyrea |
so there are both ends of that spectrum |
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wizzyrea |
an |
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wizzyrea |
d |
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wizzyrea |
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Barrc |
Yep, I agree ye...... |
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wizzyrea |
packages are better for I'd say 80% of "average" users |
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mtompset |
Yes, both ends of the spectrum exist. |
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wizzyrea |
and if you want to do a tarball install, you should have to go looking for *that* |
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wizzyrea |
not looking for how to use the packages. |
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wizzyrea |
because I think most people should be using packages. |
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Barrc |
I do to - I like the part about having to look for them. I wouldn't like them to be removed completely though! |
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wizzyrea |
no, tarball instructions should never be removed completely - but the install.* files should tell us how to do packages |
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wizzyrea |
and install.*.advanced should tell you how to do it from the tarball |
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Barrc |
the install files in the tarball -:) |
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mtompset |
I'm not sure putting an INSTALL.OS.advanced is a good idea. |
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mtompset |
Sometime people think more highly of themselves than they should. |
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mtompset |
tarball instructions for debian-based OS' make no sense in general. tarball instructions for RPM-based ones, however, make complete sense. |
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mtompset |
Which leads to the problem of people following the Fedora instructions for an Ubuntu Install (for example). ;) |
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mtompset |
Okay... speaking of instructions... I'm doing some serious editing. And I can't make sense of Appendix C. |
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mtompset |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Ubuntu#Appendix_C |
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mtompset |
Earlier in the instructions it says: "See Appendix C for instructions and notes on installing Koha to a second machine that is pointing to the same database as a current machine with Koha installed." |
| 13:50 |
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mtompset |
Can someone confirm that the appendix does no such thing? |
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mtompset |
I'd like to axe it. |
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wizzyrea |
ooh, language quality game for koha |
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kf |
hm? |
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wizzyrea |
apparently, for windows |
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wizzyrea |
MS has a game that they use between their global offices |
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wizzyrea |
that helps with improving the quality of the localizations |
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wizzyrea |
localisations :P |
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wizzyrea |
and the offices compete. |
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mtompset |
link? |
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wahanui |
link is right, but the website is gone, apparently |
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wizzyrea |
4500 participants reviewed over 500k dialog boxes, with 6700 bugs reported |
| 14:49 |
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wizzyrea |
no link, i'm taking a gamification course ;) |
| 14:49 |
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wizzyrea |
it's part of the lecture |
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kf |
ah |
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kf |
coursera? |
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kf |
or something that sounds similar? |
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mtompset |
course link? ;) |
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wizzyrea |
yep :) |
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kf |
I have read about this - funny :) |
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kf |
is it any good? :) |
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mtompset |
By the way, greetings, wizzyrea. :) |
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wizzyrea |
www.coursera.org |
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wizzyrea |
hello :) |
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bag |
good morning |
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wizzyrea |
mornin. |
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mtompset |
Greetings, bag. |
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wizzyrea |
I have to give a talk on gamification in libraries later this week. |
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wizzyrea |
I'm doing research. |
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wizzyrea |
a |
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wizzyrea |
among other things |
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* oleonard |
can't believe he missed his chance to take Introduction to Computational Finance and Financial Econometrics! |
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wizzyrea |
LOL |
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mtompset |
Sounds intriguing? |
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kf |
wizzyrea: I guess you already checked the wiki page? |
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wizzyrea |
kf: I wrote quite a bit of that. Lol. |
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wizzyrea |
^.^ |
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kf |
yeah, and you didn>'t forget you did :) |
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wizzyrea |
hehe no |
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wizzyrea |
this talk is a little more generalized than that |
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wizzyrea |
not just games in the catalog, but other games you can do in the library |
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mtompset |
ARG! Now I have to ponder networking issues instructions?! |
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mtompset |
One last section before I can start the AXE process. |
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wizzyrea |
heh |
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wizzyrea |
brb sharpening pencil |
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mtompset |
people still use those? |
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Shane-S |
I am an It director with an andriod, ipad, Macbook Pro, MacBook Air, and a Desktop that is comparable to a server...yet I still go everywhere with a notepad and pen/pencil :) |
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Shane-S |
I think it is because I never need a power button, and unlock swipe or button, and the sun's glare is never a problem |
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mtompset |
Are you sure it isn't because cursive writing is a hidden language sceme to the younger generation? ;) |
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mtompset |
scheme. |
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wizzyrea |
lol |
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wizzyrea |
srs that made me laugh. |
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Shane-S |
never been a fan of cursive can't read it :p |
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mtompset |
Depends on whose handwriting. :) |
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Shane-S |
my own ....lol |
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* mtompset |
laughs, "I know people like that." |
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kf |
drojf: still around? |
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drojf |
kf: leaving now |
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drojf |
why? |
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kf |
pm |
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kf |
leaving too :) bye all1 |
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reiveune |
bye |
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ala_3vo |
Hello #koha |
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ala_3vo |
I wondering if anyone had heard about this RDA and how it will affect the MARC records. |
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jcamins |
ala_3vo: not much, really. |
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jcamins |
As libraries find they want RDA-specific fields to show up, they'll no doubt be added. |
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jcamins |
But RDA is just a different bonnet worn by the same muddy pig. |
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jcamins |
Ooh, I like that. |
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jcamins |
Very evocative. |
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oleonard |
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-YV37[…]d_ladydetail1.jpg |
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ala_3vo |
well, this will certainly affect the copy cataloging as it is slowly being converted from AACR2 to RDA |
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jcamins |
ala_3vo: I don't see how it will make any difference, no. |
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jcamins |
Fields that are missing will be added- when they're missed. |
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jcamins |
MARC is MARC, so there is no need for change on the backend. |
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jcamins |
The frameworks being out of date is an issue, but that was an issue well before RDA was adopted. |
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jcamins |
ala_3vo: is there something specific you're running into problems with? |
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* mtompset |
smirks, "You scared him off with reality, jcamins." |
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oleonard |
I think it was the pig. |
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cait |
jcamins: i still want to work on the frameworks :( but so many things to be sorted out first *frustrated* |
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mtompset |
Yes, yes that is scary. |
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cait |
reality? |
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* cait |
should go and shop for real food |
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cait |
bbl |
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jcamins |
cait: muddy pigs in bonnets. |
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mtompset |
take care, cait. |
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cait |
jcamins: ? |
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mtompset |
that's the reality of RDA. :) |
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jcamins |
cait: reality. That's what MARC+RDA is. A muddy pig in a bonnet. :) |
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bag |
heh muddy pigs |
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cait |
ih |
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mtompset |
oleonard: regarding the failed qa. Did my replying comments make sense? |
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oleonard |
Uh, no, sorry :| |
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oleonard |
I still don't understand why you don't change the ID of the element and then change the ID in the CSS |
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mtompset |
Because the ID in the CSS isn't used. |
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mtompset |
you need to have ".clearfix #login" for it to be used. |
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mtompset |
And changing the name causes the inherited values to not be inherited any more. |
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mtompset |
I was using Firebug in Firefox. |
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mtompset |
The lines of code that exist now for #login are not used. |
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oleonard |
#login in staff-global.css? That is used on every page in the staff client. |
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mtompset |
They would be used if it said ".clearfix #login". |
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mtompset |
I know... |
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mtompset |
But the reason it works is because it is getting it from yui. |
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oleonard |
Sorry, I think you're wrong. |
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mtompset |
Feel free to check. |
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oleonard |
If I take out the #login declaration, the layout breaks. |
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mtompset |
what browser? |
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wahanui |
it has been said that browser is UNIMARC-only. |
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oleonard |
Firefox. |
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wahanui |
rumour has it firefox is koha's preferred browser |
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mtompset |
That's the confusing part, I think... position is not absolute. |
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oleonard |
? |
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mtompset |
The definition says absolute, right? |
| 16:12 |
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mtompset |
But firebug doesn't show absolute. |
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oleonard |
Yes |
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jcamins |
forget browser |
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wahanui |
jcamins: I forgot browser |
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oleonard |
Firebug says #login { position: absolute; right: 0.5em; } |
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mtompset |
Should I attached failed tests too and include all the steps? |
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mtompset |
Why doesn't it in mine?! |
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jcamins |
mtompset: custom CSS? |
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oleonard |
Are you looking at the login page? Or a page in the staff client after you have logged in? |
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mtompset |
after I have logged in. |
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oleonard |
And you're looking at <div id="login"> where it shows the branch, your username, etc? |
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mtompset |
Well, not right now, but yes, that is what I looked at. |
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mtompset |
I just did a fresh git install. |
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* wizzyrea |
gets out the popcorn |
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mtompset |
Let me get my networking issues dealt with, and I'll look at it again. |
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oleonard |
Yeah, change <div id="login"> to <div id="login_controls"> Then change the CSS from #login to #login_controls. You're done. |
| 16:17 |
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jcamins |
What was the problem we were trying to solve? |
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oleonard |
Bug 8339 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8339 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Failed QA , div id="login" should be id="login_controls" in header.inc |
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jcamins |
Ah. |
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jcamins |
Got it. |
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mtompset |
I'd like to rescue it from failed_qa hell. |
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jcamins |
cm does not require a period, right? Even though it should? |
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jcamins |
(cm = centimeters, not computer modern, for those people who are eythian:) |
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oleonard |
FWIW jcamins : http://stylemanual.ngs.org/home/C/centimeter-cm |
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oleonard |
mtompset: Please try my suggestion |
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mtompset |
I will. |
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mtompset |
Working on networking. |
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mtompset |
But it didn't work before. |
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jcamins |
oleonard: thanks! Usually "cm" appears at the end of a sentence when I'm cataloging, so I wasn't sure. |
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wizzyrea |
oleonard: did it work for you? |
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oleonard |
Yes |
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mtompset |
Which is why I'm confused. |
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oleonard |
mtompset: You could also solve this problem by giving your login form CSS more specificity: #main_auth #login { ... } |
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mtompset |
Like I said ".clearfix #login" |
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oleonard |
...but the bug is right, we shouldn't reuse the ID if possible. |
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oleonard |
mtompset: You don't have to say ".clearfix #login" because there's no possibility of confusing which element is meant by "#login" |
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oleonard |
There's only one on that page. |
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mtompset |
Yes, but .clearfix isn't defined until later in the CSS file. |
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mtompset |
Anyways... |
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mtompset |
I'm up. |
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mtompset |
Main log in screen... not inheriting from that definition, because of login.css\ |
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mtompset |
That's not the problem. |
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mtompset |
logging in. |
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mtompset |
curses to firefox! |
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mtompset |
between 14 and 15 they must have fixed it. |
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mtompset |
Okay, your suggestion will work. |
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jcamins |
It could also have been stale CSS. |
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mtompset |
stale? |
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oleonard |
cached by the browser |
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wizzyrea |
shift-f5 ftw |
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mtompset |
Doesn't that do a reload? |
| 16:30 |
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wizzyrea |
it re-fetches everything |
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wizzyrea |
the page, it's CSS |
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wizzyrea |
scripts |
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oleonard |
It does a reload and forces the browser not to pull from its cache |
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wizzyrea |
anything that's in the cache is ignored. |
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wizzyrea |
and you get all new shiny fresh copies |
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jcamins |
wizzyrea: except CSS in Chrome, which requires a ctrl-f5 on a Mac. |
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mtompset |
But isn't that what clicking the reload button should do? |
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wizzyrea |
well that |
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wizzyrea |
no |
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wizzyrea |
you can also hold shift (or ctrl) and click that button to do the same thing |
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* jcamins |
does Shift-refresh, Ctrl-refresh, and Alt-refresh in that order. |
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oleonard |
mtompset: Simply clicking the reload button will fetch a fresh copy of the page (markup) if there is one, but it won't force a reload of page assets |
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mtompset |
Okay, I learned something new. |
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wizzyrea |
"page assets" |
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mtompset |
well that would include js, css, etc. etc. |
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wizzyrea |
like, you can get new html, but the images will come from the cache |
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wizzyrea |
the css will come from the cache |
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wizzyrea |
it's so the web goes "faster" |
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mtompset |
right, hence stale cache. |
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mtompset |
stale CSS. |
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wizzyrea |
exactamundo |
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mtompset |
ARG! |
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wizzyrea |
is ok :) |
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wizzyrea |
shift-reload is super handy. |
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mtompset |
Okay... well, since I'm running off a fresh git. Might as well use it. :) |
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wizzyrea |
if I'm working on look/feel of things, I don't ever use regular refresh. |
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wizzyrea |
always shift-refresh |
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wizzyrea |
jcamins is super extra thorough, I've never actually had to go to those lengths :) |
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jcamins |
I do when switching between 3.6.x and Master. |
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wizzyrea |
that might be a reason to |
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wizzyrea |
cait cait cait cait cait cait |
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wizzyrea |
… hi |
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wizzyrea |
:) |
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mtompset |
Cool... I replicated stale CSS. |
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wizzyrea |
\o/ |
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cait |
wizzyrea: huh? hi back :) |
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mtompset |
shift-f5? |
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wizzyrea |
yep, or shift + the reload button |
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cait |
why so many caits? |
| 16:40 |
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wizzyrea |
just because |
| 16:40 |
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wizzyrea |
like this |
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wizzyrea |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNkp4QF3we8 |
| 16:41 |
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mtompset |
shift reload didn't work? |
| 16:41 |
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* oleonard |
goes ahead and just sets the password for all his test db patrons to the same damn thing |
| 16:42 |
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mtompset |
Anyways... Firebug seems to have forced the CSS to reload. |
| 16:42 |
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mtompset |
not even patron1 = password1, patron2=password2? |
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jcamins |
oleonard: !? |
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cait |
heh |
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wizzyrea |
:) |
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cait |
I should have waited what you come up next with :) |
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* jcamins |
looks forward to oleonard saying "no, ?!" |
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mtompset |
dumb question... why would someone choose position: absolute? |
| 16:44 |
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mtompset |
Absolute against what? |
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oleonard |
http://www.w3schools.com/cssre[…]lass_position.asp |
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mtompset |
so why not text-align: right; margin-right: 0.5em? |
| 16:47 |
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mtompset |
Are we trying to keep it in that position if we scroll down or something? |
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oleonard |
If we were trying to do that it would be failing spectacularly! |
| 16:49 |
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mtompset |
True. |
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jcamins |
mtompset: because the goal is to have logical markup, and notionally we want the #login div on the right, not taking up the entire top bar? |
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* jcamins |
doesn't know. |
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jcamins |
Just throwing it out there as a possibility. |
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JesseM |
does koha keep track of "printed notices" in notice history for a patron? or does it have to be emailed? |
| 16:54 |
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mtompset |
And actually... if I want to do something like tweak the main page to have 10px borders... text-align:right; margin-right: 10px; looks better. ;) |
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jcamins |
mtompset: if you want to override the CSS you can. |
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jcamins |
That's what IntranetUserCSS is for. |
| 16:57 |
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mtompset |
Oh shoot... if I forgot to set the git global variables for things... can I set them before a git commit and still have my patch come out okay? |
| 16:58 |
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jcamins |
Yes. |
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jcamins |
You can even fix your name and e-mail by amending your commits. |
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mtompset |
good to know. |
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oleonard |
Hi khall |
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khall |
sup? |
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oleonard |
I'm hacking on the interface for approving patron updates :) |
| 17:07 |
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khall |
sweet! |
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mtompset |
bug 8339 ready for failure. ;) |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8339 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , div id="login" should be id="login_controls" in header.inc |
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mtompset |
shoot! I attached the wrong patch for another bug. |
| 17:40 |
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mtompset |
There, fixed. bug 8742 |
| 17:40 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8742 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Example uses perl 5.8 in Makefile.PL |
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mtompset |
I better sleep. |
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mtompset |
Good night. |
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tcohen |
mtompset |
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wahanui |
mtompset is trying to do a variety of projects in less than three months! |
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jcamins |
rangi: heh. I was wondering what "contravene" had to do with anything. |
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* oleonard |
would really like to see Bug 8644 pushed soon! |
| 18:41 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8644 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , jQueryUI CSS file should not contain customizations |
| 18:41 |
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* oleonard |
is impatient |
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* jcamins |
has lots of patches which already passed QA that he'd like to see pushed. |
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* oleonard |
will be submitting a patch that adds the Accordion widget http://jqueryui.com/demos/accordion/ |
| 18:42 |
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* jcamins |
too is impatient. |
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cait |
oleonard: wooo! |
| 18:42 |
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cait |
hm wooot :) |
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cait |
or so |
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oleonard |
Further proof Europeans love accordions |
| 18:43 |
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cait |
lol |
| 18:43 |
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cait |
hey! |
| 18:43 |
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jcamins |
I guess I need to rebase bug 8597 again, probably. |
| 18:43 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8597 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fcapovilla, Passed QA , New theme for the OPAC with a mobile view |
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libsysguy |
oleonard you can push all the widgets if you want |
| 18:44 |
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* libsysguy |
won't mind |
| 18:45 |
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oleonard |
:P |
| 18:45 |
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libsysguy |
especially the dialog |
| 18:45 |
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libsysguy |
since I'm using that |
| 18:45 |
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* jcamins |
uses sortable. |
| 18:45 |
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libsysguy |
and will have to painstakingly rebase anyway |
| 18:47 |
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oleonard |
Alright, I give. |
| 18:47 |
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oleonard |
At this point the only reason not to include them all is that not all of them have Koha-specific styling. |
| 18:48 |
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jcamins |
oleonard: I don't feel we need to include everything. I'm just commenting that I use sortable. |
| 18:49 |
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oleonard |
At this point all the widgets are spoken for. At least three of the 5 "interactions" will need to be added eventually (including sortable) |
| 18:50 |
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oleonard |
All that's left is the effects, which we could probably mostly do without although I think "Highlight" would be nice to have. |
| 18:50 |
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* oleonard |
prepares a sharp stick for anyone who proposes using the "explode" effect |
| 18:50 |
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jcamins |
Would that enable us to get rid of a custom highligher thing? |
| 18:51 |
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oleonard |
Different thing jcamins |
| 18:51 |
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oleonard |
...I'm pretty sure... |
| 18:51 |
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jcamins |
Oh. |
| 18:52 |
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cait |
oleonard: well... know that you mention it... |
| 18:52 |
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jcamins |
Oh well. I was thinking it'd be nice to reduce the number of javascript files we require. |
| 18:54 |
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jcamins |
Actually, bug 8597 does not require rebasing. |
| 18:55 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8597 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fcapovilla, Passed QA , New theme for the OPAC with a mobile view |
| 18:56 |
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* jcamins |
checks his other patches currently in Passed QA. |
| 18:59 |
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libsysguy |
oleonard, doesn't it make sense to include them all so you control the theming |
| 18:59 |
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libsysguy |
instead of me :p |
| 19:00 |
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oleonard |
A proposed follow-up to Bug 7067: http://screencast.com/t/2bwrGMxVrXg |
| 19:00 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7067 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , allow patron self registration via the opac |
| 19:01 |
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libsysguy |
how long is that video |
| 19:01 |
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libsysguy |
it is just blank for me |
| 19:02 |
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oleonard |
32 secs |
| 19:02 |
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libsysguy |
hmm I couldn't get it |
| 19:02 |
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cait |
it takes a while |
| 19:02 |
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cait |
I had blank parts |
| 19:02 |
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libsysguy |
oh |
| 19:02 |
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cait |
but then it came |
| 19:02 |
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cait |
and it looks pretty! |
| 19:02 |
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libsysguy |
i will put my patience pants on |
| 19:06 |
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oleonard |
Anyway, I probably won't submit the follow-up until some of these other patches make it through |
| 19:07 |
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oleonard |
7067 is getting close to being ready, although the most recent issue is perplexing: How to deal with potential duplicates. |
| 19:22 |
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bag |
nice hopefully I'm getting a .CEQ for additional edifact testing… maybe the next few days bug 7736 |
| 19:22 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7736 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mark.gavillet, Needs Signoff , Edifact QUOTE and ORDER functionality |
| 19:23 |
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bag |
and I was targeting testing and signing off bugs about SIP on friday :) |
| 19:23 |
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bag |
s/was/am ;) |
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| 19:26 |
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rangi |
Has bug 8089 been pushed yet? |
| 19:26 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8089 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , Use Koha::Cache everywhere |
| 19:26 |
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rangi |
Nope |
| 19:27 |
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bag |
hopefully soon |
| 19:27 |
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rangi |
Can someone qa, master is busted until it's pushed |
| 19:27 |
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rangi |
Can't modify any table that uses sqlhelper |
| 19:28 |
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rangi |
@wunder nzwn |
| 19:28 |
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huginn |
rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 7.0°C (7:00 AM NZST on September 12, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Rising). |
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bag |
AHH rangi thanks that clears something up for me!!! |
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bag |
doh |
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rangi |
Cold |
| 19:29 |
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bag |
@wunder 93109 |
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huginn |
bag: The current temperature in K6LCM-Westside/Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 24.3°C (12:26 PM PDT on September 11, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Steady). |
| 19:29 |
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oleonard |
Hi rangi |
| 19:30 |
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wizzyrea |
>.> http://www.grouprecipes.com/group/koha/1890 |
| 19:31 |
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rangi |
Yay! |
| 19:31 |
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oleonard |
I'm in. |
| 19:31 |
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wizzyrea |
I seeded it with some of my own |
| 19:31 |
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rangi |
Sorry my joke fell flat oleonard |
| 19:31 |
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wizzyrea |
and kf's |
| 19:31 |
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oleonard |
You caught me a bad time rangi, my fault |
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* wizzyrea |
waves to idreambooks |
| 19:32 |
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wizzyrea |
wb :) |
| 19:33 |
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idreambooks |
thanks! :) |
| 19:33 |
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* oleonard |
waves to idreambooks, who is usually in after he has left |
| 19:34 |
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idreambooks |
i am actually here pondering your release dates and deadlines |
| 19:34 |
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cait |
ah, we are getting close to our next big release |
| 19:34 |
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idreambooks |
oleonard: wave back! still trying to figure out to do it on irc |
| 19:34 |
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cait |
have you seen the post on the website? |
| 19:35 |
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idreambooks |
is sep 22 the deadline? |
| 19:35 |
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wizzyrea |
http://koha-community.org/koha[…]etter-10-2012-08/ |
| 19:35 |
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rangi |
For feature freeze yes |
| 19:35 |
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wizzyrea |
yep, feature freeze |
| 19:35 |
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khall |
oleonard++ just checked out that screencast. That looks fantastic! |
| 19:36 |
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idreambooks |
rangi, wizzyrea: so we need to implement the ratings before then to get into 3.10.0 |
| 19:36 |
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idreambooks |
how come you guys dont use github...itll be free for you |
| 19:37 |
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idreambooks |
'cos you are open source |
| 19:37 |
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wizzyrea |
we host our own, and I suspect there are some ideological differences with github |
| 19:37 |
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oleonard |
I'm glad you like it khall. I've got a bunch of template tweaks to submit too. The jquery stuff I'll probably submit separately since there's a bunch of conflicting patches in the queue |
| 19:37 |
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idreambooks |
ah ic |
| 19:38 |
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rangi |
There are backups on github |
| 19:39 |
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rangi |
But it's not free software like gitorious or git or koha I find using it a bit hypocritical for me anyway |
| 19:39 |
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jcamins |
Plus, having your own repo gives you a lot more flexibility. |
| 19:39 |
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wizzyrea |
but you don't get the social stuff |
| 19:39 |
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jcamins |
wizzyrea: we have IRC! |
| 19:39 |
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wizzyrea |
well yea |
| 19:40 |
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wizzyrea |
but on github it's not an email to say, do a pull request. |
| 19:40 |
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oleonard |
Didn't you hear the news? Potential employers are sifting through github for candidates! |
| 19:40 |
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* oleonard |
will never be found! |
| 19:40 |
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wizzyrea |
lol |
| 19:40 |
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idreambooks |
ohh...didn't know you guys had such strong opinions on github :) |
| 19:40 |
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* wizzyrea |
suspects oleonard doesn't want to be found |
| 19:41 |
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jcamins |
wizzyrea: I understood that pull requests didn't work right on Github anyway. |
| 19:41 |
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wizzyrea |
hehe fair enough. |
| 19:42 |
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oleonard |
wizzyrea, I wouldn't mind finding a Koha sugar-daddy to pay me to just hack on Koha all day |
| 19:42 |
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wizzyrea |
hint hint nudge nudge |
| 19:42 |
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idreambooks |
part of the reason we want koha to use our ratings is because it can drive pageviews for us. with sep22 fast coming up, what would you guys suggest we do to get the changes done in time (http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=8733) |
| 19:42 |
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huginn |
Bug 8733: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Adding critic reviews to book pages |
| 19:43 |
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oleonard |
idreambooks I don't see what you can do in that time. |
| 19:44 |
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idreambooks |
oleonard: we thought we could help with development but it seems like learning our way around koha alone would take up a lot of our time |
| 19:44 |
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idreambooks |
we need your help! :) |
| 19:45 |
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oleonard |
Yeah, that's understandable. I'm sure your help will be useful when someone takes it on, but there's not enough time for a volunteer to put in enough hours I suspect |
| 19:45 |
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wizzyrea |
you mean for 3.10 |
| 19:45 |
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oleonard |
Right |
| 19:45 |
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wizzyrea |
I suspect what needs to be done, is sysprefs added for an external review source |
| 19:46 |
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wizzyrea |
+ giving those a home in the OPAC |
| 19:46 |
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jcamins |
idreambooks: oleonard doesn't necessarily mean that specifically at you. For features that haven't already been signed off, we're probably looking at pushing code that was already developed back to 3.12. There simply isn't enough time in a day. |
| 19:46 |
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oleonard |
wizzyrea: Do you picture something more modular than the previous Amazon system? |
| 19:47 |
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wizzyrea |
hm no, I don't think so |
| 19:47 |
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wizzyrea |
basically it would just go on the tab in place of amazon reviews |
| 19:47 |
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wizzyrea |
and a spot to optionally put the readometer on the detail |
| 19:47 |
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cait |
wizzyrea has it all mapped out :) |
| 19:47 |
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wizzyrea |
well I've been thinking about it :P |
| 19:48 |
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cait |
i waned to do so many things for this release *sigh* |
| 19:48 |
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wizzyrea |
because I think it would be a cool service for public libraries |
| 19:48 |
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cait |
can we get more hours in a day? can someone patch it? |
| 19:48 |
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bag |
please |
| 19:48 |
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* oleonard |
would sign off |
| 19:48 |
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bag |
I could use that too - or a patch to clone |
| 19:48 |
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rangi |
Now the html for the review box is fetchable |
| 19:48 |
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rangi |
By isbn |
| 19:48 |
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* wizzyrea |
writes a patch to the universe to slow down the orbit of the earth round the sun |
| 19:48 |
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bag |
one to stay home all day with the Ginny dragon too :) |
| 19:49 |
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* wizzyrea |
makes no promises regarding your internal circadian rhythms |
| 19:49 |
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rangi |
Some jQuery in sysprefs could add that to detail page I'm sure |
| 19:50 |
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wizzyrea |
^^ |
| 19:50 |
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rangi |
I'm not going to have time |
| 19:51 |
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* wizzyrea |
will try to get to it, if I can get this dang gamification preso written >.< |
| 19:51 |
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rangi |
I have major conference coming up |
| 19:51 |
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rangi |
My stop bbiab |
| 19:51 |
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wizzyrea |
but yea, we may be able to enable libraries to at least get the readometer |
| 19:52 |
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wizzyrea |
and not have any changes to koha at all |
| 19:52 |
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wizzyrea |
which would be cool |
| 19:52 |
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jcamins |
idreambooks: if you're comfortable with Javascript/jQuery, you could certainly stick a sample jQuery script on the wiki. |
| 19:52 |
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wizzyrea |
jquery library? |
| 19:52 |
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wahanui |
rumour has it jquery library is found at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/JQuery_Library |
| 19:53 |
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wizzyrea |
there are demo catalogs on our website |
| 19:53 |
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wizzyrea |
demos? |
| 19:53 |
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wizzyrea |
demo? |
| 19:53 |
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wahanui |
hmmm... demo is running the same code... argh |
| 19:53 |
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wizzyrea |
SRSLY? |
| 19:53 |
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idreambooks |
didn't think libraries can implement something like this without it being in koha (even if it is just the readometer based on isbn) |
| 19:53 |
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* wizzyrea |
sighs |
| 19:53 |
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jcamins |
With the plan that you'll contribute an idreambooks.com review tab to Koha for 3.12, since it's a bit too late for 3.10. |
| 19:53 |
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wizzyrea |
not the reviews, but the readometer I think we can - I didn't see your update to the bug |
| 19:53 |
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wizzyrea |
re: the ISBN |
| 19:54 |
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wizzyrea |
Koha is friendly to jquery |
| 19:54 |
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cait |
yep |
| 19:54 |
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jcamins |
idreambooks: sure you can. There's a system preference to add arbitrary Javascript/jQuery to the Koha OPAC (and staff client). |
| 19:54 |
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wizzyrea |
intranetuserjs |
| 19:54 |
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wahanui |
rumour has it intranetuserjs is in the system preferences ;) |
| 19:54 |
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cait |
wahanui botsnack cookie |
| 19:54 |
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wahanui |
:) |
| 19:54 |
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idreambooks |
jcamins: know some jquery |
| 19:54 |
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wizzyrea |
demo is at http://koha-community.org/demo/ |
| 19:54 |
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wizzyrea |
demo? |
| 19:54 |
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wahanui |
demo is running the same code... argh |
| 19:55 |
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wizzyrea |
forget demo |
| 19:55 |
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wahanui |
wizzyrea: I forgot demo |
| 19:55 |
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wizzyrea |
demo is at http://koha-community.org/demo/ |
| 19:55 |
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wizzyrea |
you can use any of those to do your testing :) |
| 19:55 |
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oleonard |
wahanui: demo is also http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ha_Demo_Databases |
| 19:55 |
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wahanui |
okay, oleonard. |
| 19:56 |
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jcamins |
Unfortunately my really cool jQuery, the one that maps the place of publication, is only in non-public catalogs. |
| 19:57 |
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jcamins |
idreambooks: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]map_the_publisher.27s_location <-- you wouldn't be able to use this code, as it's for something totally different, but this gives you an idea of what you can do without changing Koha at all, I think. |
| 19:57 |
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* wizzyrea |
ponders how intranetuserjs is going to get the ISBN |
| 19:57 |
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jcamins |
wizzyrea: for the staff client rather than the OPAC? |
| 19:57 |
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wizzyrea |
no fr the opac |
| 19:57 |
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cait |
wizzyrea: what you could do easier is put it in SearchforTitlein |
| 19:57 |
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wizzyrea |
yea, I was thinking that |
| 19:57 |
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cait |
or |
| 19:57 |
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cait |
do something like |
| 19:58 |
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wizzyrea |
well jared has an example there of getting it out of the marcxml |
| 19:58 |
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cait |
<span style="display:none" id="myisbnforthat">{ISBN}</span> in there... |
| 19:58 |
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idreambooks |
jcamins: cool |
| 19:58 |
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cait |
that is a bt tricky...but would give you an easy isbn |
| 19:58 |
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wizzyrea |
or getting "stuff" out of marcsml |
| 19:58 |
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wizzyrea |
xml* |
| 19:59 |
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wizzyrea |
but you're right, it would be easier to put it in searchfortitlein |
| 19:59 |
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cait |
the problem with isbns is that they are repeatable |
| 19:59 |
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oleonard |
The normalized ISBN that we have in the template for getting cover images is the 10-digit one |
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jcamins |
$('.isbn').[extract ISBN] :P |
| 20:01 |
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cait |
ah right |
| 20:02 |
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cait |
maybe it got easier since last time I tried :) |
| 20:02 |
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oleonard |
How does that work jcamins? |
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oleonard |
Oh, the span class="results_summary isbn" |
| 20:02 |
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jcamins |
oleonard: the contents of that tag are the ISBN. |
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cait |
I put it there! |
| 20:03 |
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cait |
because last time I got annoyed with getting isbns |
| 20:03 |
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oleonard |
We should just embed hidden machine-readable data in template and make our lives even easier |
| 20:03 |
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cait |
I remember now heh |
| 20:04 |
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jcamins |
oleonard: I have said that repeatedly. |
| 20:04 |
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jcamins |
I'd like to embed the entire MARCXML. |
| 20:04 |
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oleonard |
jcamins: Was I singing to myself with my fingers in my ears? |
| 20:04 |
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cait |
jcamins: hm couldn't we just pretty up the marc view a bit with ids maybe? |
| 20:05 |
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idreambooks |
sounds like implementing the 'readometer' is relatively easy because of isbns. but implementing the rest of the features would take time. any idea how much time it would take one of yous? |
| 20:05 |
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oleonard |
jcamins: How would you suggest going about it jcamins? |
| 20:06 |
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cait |
idreambooks: sorry, not sure - for me probably longer than for a lot of the others - and I am not sure how it works :) |
| 20:06 |
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oleonard |
idreambooks: Assuming you get a volunteer, all they need to do is get it done in less than six months ;) |
| 20:06 |
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oleonard |
(because of the release schedule) |
| 20:07 |
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jcamins |
cait: no, then we'd still have to load a different page. |
| 20:07 |
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idreambooks |
nov 22 is release date right. so if the patch gets sent by sep 22 it should be in nov 22 release? |
| 20:07 |
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idreambooks |
so 2 months... |
| 20:07 |
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cait |
hm not exctly |
| 20:07 |
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cait |
it has to get tested |
| 20:07 |
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jcamins |
idreambooks: probably not, no. The patch has to be *included in the release* by September 22. |
| 20:08 |
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cait |
and qa'd |
| 20:08 |
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cait |
first step is sending the code |
| 20:08 |
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cait |
second step is someone else tests it ans signs off |
| 20:08 |
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cait |
third step is qa team passes qa on it |
| 20:08 |
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wizzyrea |
the readometer stuff can be done anytime and used by any library if you put the code to embed it on the wiki |
| 20:08 |
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cait |
then release manager gets to push it |
| 20:08 |
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cait |
it sounds complicated, but can be fast, sometimes it's not |
| 20:08 |
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wizzyrea |
patch workflow |
| 20:08 |
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wahanui |
patch workflow is at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]nt-patch_Workflow |
| 20:08 |
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cait |
it really depends |
| 20:08 |
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wizzyrea |
this would probably be easy to test |
| 20:09 |
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wizzyrea |
^^ might help you |
| 20:09 |
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oleonard |
idreambooks: And luckily you have lots of eager testers |
| 20:09 |
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idreambooks |
great :) |
| 20:09 |
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jcamins |
oleonard: I think you might have had your fingers in your ears when I suggested embedding the MARCXML. |
| 20:09 |
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idreambooks |
although the process seems pretty drawn out :| |
| 20:10 |
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rangi |
stability wins over features every time |
| 20:10 |
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jcamins |
idreambooks: not at all. The most important thing is a stable system, and to get that there has to be lots of testing. |
| 20:10 |
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rangi |
what he said :) |
| 20:10 |
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idreambooks |
hmm...ic |
| 20:10 |
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jcamins |
Also, it goes surprisingly fast. |
| 20:10 |
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jcamins |
rangi: do you have the link to your blog post handy? |
| 20:10 |
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jcamins |
It was a good post. :) |
| 20:10 |
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rangi |
i actually showed idreambooks it yesterday |
| 20:11 |
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rangi |
http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz[…]e-it-into-master/ |
| 20:11 |
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rangi |
http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz[…]-get-into-master/ |
| 20:11 |
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rangi |
also, i like this new one apropos of nothing |
| 20:11 |
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rangi |
http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz[…]koha-users-group/ |
| 20:11 |
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jcamins |
Oh. Well done. |
| 20:12 |
|
* jcamins |
was 18 hours into a day that started at 2am yesterday, so wasn't fully conscious. |
| 20:13 |
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idreambooks |
rangi: that was helpful. i guess the release date is something else. i thought once patch gets pushed to master the changes go live but because of deadlines like sep22 the time to live change be slightly different |
| 20:13 |
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wizzyrea |
readometer we can get done sooner though :) |
| 20:13 |
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rangi |
well someone could install from master .. we release the software |
| 20:13 |
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rangi |
we cant control what/when people upgrade |
| 20:14 |
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idreambooks |
wizzyrea: awesome :) |
| 20:14 |
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idreambooks |
rangi: thought people would upgrade when the latest relase is considered stable |
| 20:14 |
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jcamins |
chris_n runs off master. |
| 20:14 |
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jcamins |
idreambooks: nah, people upgrade whenever they feel like it. |
| 20:14 |
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idreambooks |
oh |
| 20:15 |
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wizzyrea |
libraries are strange places. |
| 20:15 |
|
* jcamins |
uses 3.6.x still. A bugfix release comes out every month for 3.6.x and 3.8.x. |
| 20:15 |
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cait |
yeah, we are using 3.6.x too :) |
| 20:15 |
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rangi |
there are people using 2.2.9 |
| 20:15 |
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cait |
but people want the new interface now |
| 20:15 |
|
* chris_n |
has repented and now runs off packages :) |
| 20:15 |
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rangi |
from 2003 |
| 20:15 |
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rangi |
yay chris_n ! |
| 20:15 |
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jcamins |
Many places still use 3.4.x, or 3.2.x, and some even use 3.0.x, and a few unlucky people are using 2.2.9. :( |
| 20:15 |
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jcamins |
chris_n++ # for seeing the light |
| 20:15 |
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chris_n |
I'm just wondering where my notice history went.. :( |
| 20:16 |
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rangi |
about 200 libraries in the philipines are using 2.2.9 |
| 20:16 |
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jcamins |
Though, it was a great smoke test. |
| 20:16 |
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chris_n |
but that's a small loss |
| 20:16 |
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chris_n |
ouch! |
| 20:16 |
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jcamins |
"Ooh, chris_n has encountered a problem." |
| 20:16 |
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chris_n |
somewhere along the way the notices table got truncated I think |
| 20:16 |
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chris_n |
not sure how |
| 20:16 |
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chris_n |
or messages rather |
| 20:17 |
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rangi |
hmm it might be a cron job running doing that |
| 20:17 |
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cait |
yeah |
| 20:17 |
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rangi |
check /etc/cron.daily/koha-common |
| 20:17 |
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chris_n |
hadn't thought of that; I'll check it |
| 20:18 |
|
* chris_n |
is neck deep in the asterisk learning curve |
| 20:19 |
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chris_n |
a 'koha' sip trunk might be a nice addition :) |
| 20:20 |
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rangi |
there was a bug for that, reed was going to work on it |
| 20:20 |
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rangi |
its probably still in bugzilla somewhere |
| 20:20 |
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oleonard |
...wandering the halls aimlessly |
| 20:21 |
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rangi |
heh |
| 20:33 |
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oleonard |
I'm off. See you #koha. |
| 21:06 |
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rangi |
names |
| 21:06 |
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rangi |
heh |
| 21:06 |
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rangi |
missing a / |
| 21:08 |
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bag |
talljoy++ |
| 21:08 |
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talljoy |
:-D |
| 21:08 |
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rangi |
talljoy++ #signing off |
| 21:08 |
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bag |
YAY |
| 21:08 |
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talljoy |
lol |
| 21:09 |
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rangi |
@karma talljoy |
| 21:09 |
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huginn |
rangi: Karma for "talljoy" has been increased 4 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 4. |
| 21:09 |
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talljoy |
talljoy? |
| 21:09 |
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wahanui |
I CRUNCH DATA or kicking butt at words with friends |
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talljoy |
nom nom nom |
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bag |
hey rangi if we are sending a patch for updating the history for Koha - do we need to make a bug? (I can't remember) |
| 21:11 |
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rangi |
there is one |
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bag |
sweet |
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bag |
history bug? |
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bag |
bummer |
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rangi |
bug 7143 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Bug for tracking changes to the about page |
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mbalmer |
@wunder konstanz |
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huginn |
mbalmer: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 19.0°C (11:00 PM CEST on September 11, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Rising). |
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mbalmer |
shit. |
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rangi |
ok then |
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cait |
night all |
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wizzyrea |
what was that about lol |
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rangi |
no idea |
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jcamins |
wizzyrea: it's too humid. |
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rangi |
maybe he only likes proprietary humidity |
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wizzyrea |
ohsnap |
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* jcamins |
heads out to an exhibition opening. |
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rangi |
yay! |
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rangi |
https://hacks.mozilla.org/2012[…]o-codec-standard/ |
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rangi |
die mp3 die |
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wajasu |
great. one step closer to phone/video calls being internet/web enabled without the middle men. |
| 23:54 |
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ibeardslee |
hmmm still might wait a while before I rerip all my CDs |
| 23:57 |
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ibeardslee |
although the plan is still to do flac and have a simple export to alternate codecs depending on the purpose |
| 23:58 |
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rangi |
nice |
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wajasu |
rangi: i think i agree with khall about keeping bug 8215 signed off. its usable, but its taking so long to get there. i think what kf found might be better as a separate bug. |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8215 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Add Course Reserves |
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rangi |
hmm? |
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rangi |
not the translation stuff shouldnt |
