IRC log for #koha, 2012-08-03

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00:23 Space_Librarian o/
00:23 rangi hi Space_Librarian
00:25 Space_Librarian howdy stranger
00:50 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #121: SUCCESS in 1 hr 3 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/121/
00:50 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8520: fix authority display in staff client
00:50 jenkins_koha * dcook: Bug 8455 - Check ins processed through "Check Out" tab of the Patron Record ignore Circulation System Preferences
00:50 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8520 critical, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Stable , Authorities display incorrectly in staff results
00:50 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8455 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Stable , Check ins processed through "Check Out" tab of the Patron Record ignore Circulation System Preferences
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02:03 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
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02:05 Brooke o/
02:05 Brooke friday?
02:05 wahanui i think friday is It's Friday, Friday Gotta get down on Friday
02:06 mtompset Who is teaching wahanui Rebecca Black?
02:06 mtompset Who?
02:07 Brooke >.>
02:07 Brooke <.<
02:07 * Brooke points to gmcharlt.
02:07 mtompset Why don't I believe you? :)
02:08 mtompset Greetings, Brooke
02:08 Brooke how
02:08 Brooke s it?
02:10 mtompset I'll probably attempt a packages install of koha later today.
02:10 Brooke :)
02:10 mtompset I'm familiar with the tarball method. I have done a git install. Need to do a packages install to make sure I understand all three methods.
02:11 Brooke is debian your OS?
02:11 mtompset No, Ubuntu.
02:12 mtompset Chosen for organizational reasons.
02:12 mtompset More Ubuntu support in our organization than Debian.
02:12 * Brooke nods.
02:14 Space_Librarian Ave! :)
02:14 mtompset Greetings, Space_Librarian
02:14 mtompset which space?
02:15 mtompset bug 8517
02:15 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8517 enhancement, P3, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Script to automatically generate package lists
02:15 Space_Librarian mtompset, it's a long story.
02:15 Brooke Salve quid agis?
02:17 Space_Librarian Eadem fabula...
02:18 * Brooke settles in.
02:19 mtompset Now have the conversation in Klingon. ;)
02:21 ibeardslee Brooke: been watching the fencing?
02:24 mtompset Greetings, ibeardslee
02:29 Brooke they do not show the freggin fencing over here >:(
02:29 Brooke I've been following the scores, though
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02:33 ala_3v0 I'm trying to add attributes and identifiers.
02:34 ala_3v0 can that be restricted to certain staffs
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02:36 Brooke o/
02:37 jransom hola
02:37 wahanui privet, jransom
02:37 jransom what does privet mean wahanui?
02:37 jransom Wahanui what does provet mean?
02:37 wahanui jransom: bugger all, i dunno
02:37 jransom lol
02:37 Space_Librarian lol
02:37 jransom just as ai thought
02:38 Space_Librarian Who has been teaching wahanui about weeds?
02:38 Brooke roflmao
02:38 jransom privet ....
02:38 jransom some pom I bet
02:38 rangi its russian
02:39 rangi means hello
02:39 jransom well there you go!
02:40 Space_Librarian yet, it's not in google's top 25 results. :p lol
02:40 ala_3v0 can attributes and identifiers be restricted to certain staffs?
02:40 jransom oh well it can't exist then
02:41 Space_Librarian no, because Google knows all. *rolls eyes*
03:02 mtompset Actually, if you thought it was a foreign language, would be a better place to start.
03:04 mtompset Though, why wasn't it cyrillic? Привет
03:05 mtompset translate google failed to recognize romanized transliterations.
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03:21 Brooke o/
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03:39 Shane-S Anyone around that would know where the OPAC search box code can be found it's size in the element "style" tag so I can't affect it via CSS
03:44 mtj Shane-S:  opac.css is a great place to start...
03:45 Space_Librarian toodle pip all - have a lovely weekend. :)
03:58 Shane-S mtj: I found it, it is hard coded in
03:59 Shane-S I took the size % out and put in #transl1{} in my CSS file to allow me to alter it.
03:59 Shane-S I will write myself a note to consider submitting a patch at some point
04:00 mtj cool, yeah - the plan is for every element to have a 'id' value
04:01 mtj could be a nice toy-project to identify which elements are missing id's
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04:01 mtj ... and perhaps, script a way to generate id's for them
04:07 Shane-S it has an ID, but it was hard coded in the element's style="" tag, which is the top level or I should say it over rides the style sheet
04:08 * mtompset likes the sounds of this conversation, because it implies that a newer version of Koha will be better CSS-able. :)
04:10 Shane-S well I am off to bed, hopefully I will have time to patch some CSS stuff
04:10 mtj Shane-S: yeah, thats a no-no, thats waiting to be fixed
04:12 mtj ... and a script looking for hardcoded  'style' elements, would be revealing too
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04:13 cait hi #koha
04:16 mtj heya cait
04:16 cait hi mtj :)
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05:20 sdawa hi
05:20 sdawa i am library assistant from Bhutan
05:21 sdawa here to seek help and support
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05:29 francharb Good morning #Koha
05:42 mtompset Greetings, cait, mtj, and francharb.
05:42 cait hi mtompset
05:42 francharb hello mtompset
05:43 mtompset So no one was able to respond to sdawa?
05:43 cait was too slow
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06:28 * magnuse waves
06:29 mtompset Greetings, mbalmer and magnuse
06:30 mbalmer morning
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06:34 cait hi magnuse and mbalmer :)
06:35 cait lots of m* here... my autocomplete fails more and more :)
06:41 magnuse sorry about that ;-)
06:44 cait hee
06:44 cait silly
06:44 cait :)
06:45 cait testing awesome bug 8209
06:45 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8209 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , "Did you mean?" suggestions based on authorities
06:45 emagnus yay
06:49 cait ok, bbl :)
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07:02 mtompset mtj makes me have to type mtj. It's horrible the lack of autocomplete. :)
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07:14 gaetan_B hello :)
07:14 magnuse bonjour
07:27 magnuse huh, why am i getting logs of circ events in per-day log files in /tmp after i turned on memcached?
07:28 magnuse and why am i not seeing any effect of <template_cache_dir>/tmp/koh​a/sksk</template_cache_dir>?
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07:32 paul_p hello #koha
07:38 magnuse bonjour paul_p
07:38 magnuse last day before holiday?
07:39 paul_p hi magnuse. Yep, last day before vacations :D :D
07:39 magnuse woohoo :-)
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08:39 mtompset How many hours till you "escape"? ;)
08:43 magnuse hehe, that always cracks me up
08:43 magnuse mikromarc is a norwegian proprietary ils :-)
08:43 eythian why are they sending stuff to/about Koha?
08:44 magnuse well they have a thing that picks up stuff from/about koha on twitter :-)
08:45 magnuse eythian: any idea why i'm getting logs of circ events in per-day log files in /tmp after i turned on memcached? the filenames look like koha_esme_2012-08-03.log, so they reflect the names of the koha instances i have created with the packages
08:46 eythian magnuse: I've seen that (I think even without memcached, I think.) Don;t know what causes it though.
08:46 magnuse hm, interesting
08:46 wahanui i think interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
08:47 magnuse sure wahanui
08:48 magnuse yeah, might be independent of memcached, it just started happening at about the same time i turned memcahed on
08:50 eythian logs in /tmp is a terrible idea anyway.
08:54 magnuse yeah
08:55 magnuse and a quick check seems to indicate that the info in the files is not available in the log viewer in the staff client
08:55 eythian magnuse: I think it's fine-related
08:55 eythian the header is: cardnumber      categorycode    surname firstname       email   phone   address citystate       itemnumber      barcode date_due        type    days_overdue    fine
08:56 magnuse ah yes, that could be
08:56 magnuse hm, i somehow got the impression it was stuff being returned
08:56 magnuse but a log of fines/overdues makes total sense
09:01 magnuse /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/ seems to be the culprit
09:01 paul_p mtompset = 6 hours before escaping ;-)
09:01 paul_p for now, trying to do something that will please jenkins !!
09:06 magnuse yay
09:08 eythian magnuse: how does it work out the instance name?
09:08 eythian suppose it could be the database name or something...
09:09 magnuse eythian: yup: my $name = C4::Context->config('database');
09:10 magnuse and i don't think it had anything to do with memcached
09:10 magnuse i think i had commented out in /etc/cron.daily/koha-common but that got overwritten when i upgraded to 3.8.3
09:11 magnuse and the reason i was just seeing a couple of days worth of log files is that i rebooted the server a couple days ago
09:11 eythian ah right
09:11 eythian makes sense
09:11 magnuse mystery solved :-)
09:11 magnuse but fines should probably write to something like /var/spool/koha ?
09:12 eythian it's a log, if it wants to be logging it should go in /var/log/koha/_instancename_
09:13 eythian having a logbase in koha-conf.xml or some such would help that.
09:13 magnuse there is an --out option to, so we could set that when the packages set up the cronjobs, perhaps
09:13 eythian that's a good idea
09:14 magnuse without --out, the location is determined by File::Spec->tmpdir
09:15 eythian OK. Sounds like --out is what we need then. The catch is that the cronjob doesn't know the instancename it's working on :)
09:16 eythian however, having koha-foreach do a search-replace on the command line may be a good idea anyway
09:16 magnuse yeah, that would be very cool! (and useful)
09:21 magnuse eythian: i can report bugs for this, if you don't mind?
09:21 eythian go for it
09:21 magnuse want to be the assignee? i won't have time to look at it for a while
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09:24 eythian Just leave it as default
09:25 eythian It'll get looked at some time in the next few years perhaps ;)
09:26 magnuse hehe
09:26 magnuse i was hoping to lure you into a commitment here ;-)
09:27 magnuse bug 8566
09:27 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8566 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Enable koha-foreach to insert the instancename into commands
09:30 eythian anyone good at CSS, I want to change an attribute on a span with class name "weight" inside a div with class "results_summary" ... how can I specify that>
09:30 eythian ?
09:31 eythian (and why do people call things dumb names like "weight" that could well be duplicated elsewhere)
09:32 magnuse isn't that just ".results_summary .weight {}"?
09:32 eythian maybe, that's why I'm asking :)
09:34 eythian div.results_summary span.weight {
09:34 eythian display: none;
09:34 eythian }
09:34 eythian that's what I wanted :)
09:34 eythian (I think exactly the same as what you said really)
09:34 magnuse ah, it's for the tag cloud?
09:35 magnuse yeah, you are being a little more specific than me
09:35 eythian no, it's displaying the weight number in the search results
09:35 magnuse oh, ok
09:35 eythian and the weight number is confusing because it's not really meaningful
09:35 eythian (unless you know what weight is etc.
09:35 eythian )
09:36 eythian everyone expects it to be the number of results you get if you click the tag, which it isn't.
09:37 magnuse bug 8567
09:37 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8567 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Set output directory for in cron config created by the packages
09:49 paul_p there should be only 1 remaining jenkins complain, see bug 6448
09:49 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6448 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , EAN-13 barcode support
09:52 eythian Anyone had Koha 3.8.3 behaving strange with diacritics/smart quotes?
09:52 eythian it's doing that double-enconding thing sometimes.
09:54 jenkins_koha Starting build #800 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 29 days ago)
09:55 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8385: Dirty patch to make tt_valid.t happy <[…]11b961c19fe534306>
10:22 magnuse eythian: what strange behaviour are you seeing?
10:24 eythian <-- magnuse, this
10:25 eythian it's correct in the database
10:27 magnuse ah
10:28 magnuse i have not seen it, but i have not looked for it either...
10:28 magnuse is it only on the detail display, or in result lists too?
10:29 eythian results too
10:31 eythian It's the second person who's reported this
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10:36 magnuse eythian: a couple of searches for common norwegian words with "norwegian" letters in them does not reveal any problems, but it might be better hidden...
10:37 eythian hmm
10:37 eythian I wonder why it's showing up for us then...
10:54 mtompset double encoding thing?
10:54 mtompset Nasty.
10:55 mtompset I wonder what SELECT variables LIKE "%colla%"; looks like.
10:55 mtompset And what SELECT variables LIKE "%char%"; looks like.
10:58 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #800: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 4 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/800/
10:58 jenkins_koha jonathan.druart: Bug 8385: Dirty patch to make tt_valid.t happy
10:58 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8385 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , searchengine/solr/ fails 'prove ./xt/tt_valid.t' test
11:13 kf encoding problems on a friday afternoon?
11:16 jcamins o/
11:16 jcamins kf: glad to see you approved of bug 8209.
11:16 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8209 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , "Did you mean?" suggestions based on authorities
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11:20 mtompset Greetings, jcamins.
11:20 mtompset Tonight's challenge... a package install under Ubuntu. :)
11:21 mtompset packages?
11:21 wahanui packages is at
11:23 mtompset There... fixed it to redirect properly.
11:23 mtompset double redirections don't work.
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11:31 kf jcamins: I did :)
11:31 kf jcamins: do you approve of my notes and test plan?
11:33 jcamins I do. :)
11:40 mtompset Is there a way to WWW::Mechanize the test plan? ;)
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11:42 mtompset Greetings, nengard.
11:42 mtompset Do you come with catalogers? :)
11:43 kf mtompset: hm maybe, but jcamins dev comes with unit tests too :)
11:44 nengard hello all
11:44 nengard nope, i'm done training
11:44 nengard it's just me
11:44 mtompset Did you get my message from the other day about Appendix G?
11:49 mtompset Which reminds me... I need to fix another double redirection.
11:51 mtompset or two...
11:53 mtompset There... Koha 3.2 and 3.4 now redirect to 3.8
11:55 nengard mtompset I don't think I did ? was it here? or email? I didn't check my email yet :)
11:55 mtompset I apologize... it was FB.
11:56 mtompset My brain wasn't working that day. Forgot to look for a koha-docs mailing list, or your email on bug reports or other messages in other groups.
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12:14 * mtompset grins.
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12:22 mtompset I'm hoping this package install goes well... I already fear there are gaps in the wiki page.
12:26 eythian mtompset: that's not valid SQL, so it looks like an error :)
12:26 eythian mtompset: at the moment, the packages wiki page is more a reference than a guide.
12:26 mtompset what's the difference between apache2-mpm-worker and apache2-mpm-itk?
12:26 eythian mtompset: itk allows for processes to change their user id
12:26 mtompset Well, if I have problems... I'm going to flush it out.
12:26 mtompset (add to it)
12:28 mtompset what do you mean it isn't valid SQL.
12:28 mtompset It's valid MySQL.
12:29 mtompset OOPS...
12:29 eythian > SELECT variables LIKE "%colla%";
12:29 mtompset SHOW
12:29 eythian ERROR 1054 (42S22): Unknown column 'variables' in 'field list'
12:29 eythian :)
12:29 mtompset not SELECT.
12:29 eythian oh ah
12:30 eythian | collation_connection | latin1_swedish_ci |
12:30 eythian | collation_database   | latin1_swedish_ci |
12:30 eythian | collation_server     | latin1_swedish_ci |
12:30 eythian how odd
12:30 mtompset That's wrong!
12:30 eythian yeah, I have a lot of latin1 in there
12:30 eythian I wonder what's changed...
12:30 mtompset the my.cnf
12:31 mtompset That's where I'd go first.
12:32 eythian nothing obvious in there
12:33 eythian my tables are all CHARSET=utf8 however.
12:33 mtompset Oh... that's the other thing...
12:33 mtompset[…]a_on_Ubuntu#MySQL
12:34 mtompset That's why I wrote that messy long section.
12:34 mtompset The client-handshake...
12:34 mtompset totally messes up the collation.
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12:42 mtompset When I do a tarball install... I know where the files are.
12:42 mtompset When I do a git install... I know where the files are...
12:42 mtompset (both are similar... a directory name I choose)
12:42 eythian hmm, setting the client details doesn't work on my setup (and I can't modify the server details)
12:43 * mtompset shrugs, "That's Debian for ya."
12:43 * mtompset grins.
12:44 eythian no, it's because I'm not a DBA so don't have access to our database server :)
12:44 mtompset Ah... the mysql server is on a different machine?
12:45 eythian yeah
12:45 eythian well, in production, not in my test env
12:45 * mtompset nods.
12:45 mtompset Sorry I can't help more.
12:46 mtompset So... back to my long question... where are the files after an apt-get install koha-common?
12:46 eythian it varies
12:47 mtompset I'm assuming the koha-common has no perl Makefile.PL step?
12:47 eythian but mostly under /usr/share/koha
12:47 eythian it does, when the packages are built
12:47 eythian dpkg -L koha-common will give you all the details
12:47 mtompset Okay, that may come in handy.
12:48 mtompset So, does an upgrade simply become a matter of sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade for future installs?
12:49 eythian yeah
12:49 mtompset Or is there still a build step?
12:49 eythian no
12:50 eythian build all happens when the packages are created
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12:50 mtompset Ooooh! configuration step of package does the build.
12:51 eythian what do you mean by builld. because I think it's different to what I mean
12:52 mtompset perl Makefile.PL; make; make test; sudo make install
12:53 eythian yeah, that happens on my machine, not on yours
12:53 mtompset So, this install won't have any directory from which to build.
12:54 mtompset Because it is pre-built.
12:54 eythian right
12:54 eythian like all packages
12:55 mtompset which is why you need to edit the koha-sites.conf, because the pre-built version reads that to set things up.
12:56 eythian yeah, sorta. One of these days I'm going to have it ask questions on installation to pre-populate that.
12:57 mtompset That would be a good enhancement.
12:59 mtompset since koha-common comes from, if I disable that repo, I could do sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade without actually triggering a koha upgrade, correct?
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13:01 eythian yeah
13:01 eythian although, it's better to pin it
13:01 kf oleonard++
13:02 * oleonard waves
13:02 mtompset pin it?
13:04 magnuse hm, on 3.8.3 when memcached is activated it's supposed to re-read koha-con.xml every 10 minutes or something, right?
13:04 magnuse *koha-conf.xml
13:05 eythian[…]kg_basics.en.html <-- mtompset, 7.12. I use the first method
13:05 eythian (also, I think pinning is the wrong term actually)
13:07 mtompset the Apt/Dpkg method is a different syntax to what you linked to, but the same thing generally.
13:08 eythian pinning is more about picking newer versions of things from one repo without taking everything
13:08 eythian fixed the double encoding problem
13:08 magnuse yay
13:08 eythian turns out to be actual bad data from a strange earlier incarnation of the database
13:09 eythian (that I'd fixed, but that caused the encoding to get confused)
13:09 mtompset so it's your own fault? ;)
13:09 eythian Sorta :)
13:10 mtompset NOOOOOO! Not triggers for man-db!
13:10 mtompset I really dislike that... So slow. :)
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13:11 mtompset Good day, tcohen.
13:11 tcohen hi mtompset
13:14 mtompset I'm tinkering with a koha-common install. What are you up to today?
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13:22 mtompset Interesting... the koha-common didn't force a kernel upgrade on me. :)
13:23 eythian ...why would it?
13:23 mtompset because the tarball did?
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13:23 eythian what?
13:24 eythian how would the tarball do that?
13:24 mtompset I haven't tried to figure out why, but it does.
13:25 eythian but it can't
13:25 eythian the tarball doesn't even know what apt or a kernel is
13:25 mtompset dselect may.
13:26 mtompset when you do the build from the tarball, it triggers some package somewhere that triggers a kernel upgrade.
13:26 mtompset take a look at install_misc/ubuntu.12.04.packages
13:26 mtompset that may give you clues why. I haven't had time to make sense of it.
13:27 eythian Well, if you have apt stuff happening, and a kernel update is available I could see it prompting you.
13:27 mtompset right.
13:27 eythian But I can't see it forcing the kernel devs to sit down and make a new one for you just to install koha with :)
13:28 mtompset But seeing as the kernel is NOT listed in the install set, I don't know what it triggering it to show up in the list of things to install.
13:28 mtompset what IS triggering.
13:31 eythian Well, presumably part of the process triggers an apt update
13:31 eythian and trhen when it makes everything installed, it does updates at the same time
13:34 mtompset yes, but if I apt-get update and apt-get upgrade... the kernel is typically held back.
13:35 eythian hmm, I've not noticed that
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13:38 mtompset At least under Ubuntu.
13:38 mtompset Anyways... okay, I'm a little stuck now.
13:39 mtompset I've got the koha-common installed
13:39 mtompset I edit'd the file with .localdomain as suggested.
13:39 mtompset I now have a DB which I want to use.
13:39 mtompset From our existing system.
13:40 eythian I recommend not doing that
13:40 mtompset oh?
13:40 eythian or, setting everything up and having the packages set up the db then importing the content into it
13:40 mtompset Then how would I get the data in?
13:40 eythian just import the dump, I mean
13:40 eythian it's pretty easy
13:40 mtompset how does that relate to the default.sql.gz?
13:41 eythian default.sql.gz is intended if you have a template you like to include on all your initial instances.
13:41 mtompset Ah.
13:41 mtompset Initial dummy data.
13:42 eythian yeah
13:43 mtompset Okay... so then I shouldn't have a default.sql.gz... okay
13:43 eythian yeah, just if you want it
13:43 mtompset empty string, or delete line?
13:44 eythian either works, probably delete line
13:45 gmcharlt @quote random
13:45 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #20: "<wizzyrea> you will see no wedgie-ing from me" (added by jdavidb at 03:50 PM, July 31, 2009)
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13:46 kf @quote random
13:46 huginn kf: Quote #118: "wizzyrea: lavamind is erupting patches all over us!" (added by druthb at 09:39 PM, January 25, 2011)
13:46 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn.
13:46 kf @quote random
13:46 huginn kf: Quote #37: "< nelsonf> I'm pretty sure I deleted this one in the name of being thorough..." (added by chris at 11:27 PM, October 04, 2009)
13:47 mtompset Do I even know an instance name before I run koha-create?
13:47 mtompset or does instance name = db name?
13:48 eythian mtompset: instance name is the name of your library, or whatever
13:48 mtompset it has no relation to the dbname?
13:50 eythian it does, in the sense that the dbname is derived from it
13:52 mtompset unless otherwise specified in the /etc/koha/passwd file?
13:53 eythian yeah, I think. I've never used that file.
13:53 mtompset Well, it seems like a good time to test it then. ;)
13:53 eythian It needs to be a bit less prominent, that mention of the passwd file. It's not really used most of the time.
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13:55 mtompset But most of the time, you are starting from scratch.
13:55 mtompset Importing MARC data.
13:55 mtompset Or doing data entry.
13:57 mtompset I've got a 3.6.3 db that I want to import.
13:58 mtompset I noticed the page doesn't specify the instance name for the koha-create. Will koha-create prompt for one?
13:59 jcamins mtompset: no, you have to choose one.
13:59 eythian mtompset: you make one up
14:00 eythian mtompset: also, just import the db dump after you've set things up. It'll ensure everything is nice and consistent.
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14:00 jcamins Ooh.
14:00 jcamins joubu++ # I didn't realize you could prevent links from causing the page to scroll to the top
14:01 mtompset So run the koha-create before I even try to get the DB in... okay.
14:01 mtompset Here goes nothing.
14:02 oleonard jcamins: See also[…]-prevent-default/ if you want to go deeper
14:04 jcamins Interesting.
14:04 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
14:05 jcamins wahanui: good, this time.
14:05 wahanui jcamins: i'm not following you...
14:07 mtompset koha-create didn't catch that I had an extra parameter. DOH!
14:08 jcamins mtompset: why did you have an extra parameter?
14:08 mtompset because I wanted to match the user name, db name, and password to the exist DB that I have.
14:08 eythian mtompset: you can't do that like that
14:08 eythian koha-create doesn't understand extra paremeters
14:10 mtompset Hmmm... man page says --database is a valid parameter.
14:11 eythian oh right, I forgot about those.
14:11 eythian I was imagining that you just chucked them on to the end
14:11 mtompset that's what I did the first time.
14:11 eythian (as in, without option names)
14:11 eythian hwoever, --database should work I think
14:12 mtompset so then I did a koha-remove <first item>
14:12 jcamins --database is valid, but I don't see any way to specify username/password.
14:12 mtompset passwdfile
14:12 jcamins Yes, but not on the command line.
14:12 eythian jcamins: with --passwdfile
14:13 mtompset koha-create doesn't recognize --database even though the man page has it.
14:13 jcamins eythian: that still requires a file.  You can't just add extra parameters.
14:13 eythian oh, yeah.
14:13 mtompset Yes, but I created the file.
14:13 mtompset I'm assuming it is the format mentioned on the wiki page.
14:14 * magnuse wanders off into the deep woods
14:14 jcamins Oh, that should work fine, then. I use a koha.passwd file.
14:14 mtompset dropped the --database, koha-create worked.
14:14 mtompset Let's see what it did...
14:16 mtompset Nope... not what I expected...
14:17 jcamins A) what were you expecting, and B) what did it do?
14:18 jcamins (warning: the issue is probably with A)
14:18 mtompset I was it expect it to read the passwd file for the information.
14:19 jcamins Okay, that's a reasonable expectation.
14:19 jcamins That's how it works for me.
14:19 mtompset It didn't.
14:19 jcamins What did it do?
14:19 mtompset created it like I told it nothing.
14:19 mtompset and now I have a user I can't delete.
14:20 jcamins Hey, the passwd file allows you to specify a database, too. I forgot about that because I don't use it.
14:20 mtompset Yes, I filled it out, and it didn't work as I expected.
14:21 mtompset I suppose I really like tarballs right about now. :)
14:22 jcamins Why can't you delete the user?
14:22 mtompset it says it's logged in.
14:22 eythian I still think you're better off just loading a db dump into the database.
14:22 mtompset But then the password won't match.
14:22 jcamins I would agree with eythian.
14:22 eythian sudo /etc/init.d/koha-common stop will stop its processes
14:22 eythian mtompset: it makes a password
14:22 jcamins mtompset: what do you mean? koha-create creates the password.
14:22 jcamins Which will be random, as it should be.
14:23 mtompset It won't match the db dump's password.
14:23 eythian db dumps don't have passwords
14:23 mtompset they do if they are just a dump of every DB.
14:23 mtompset (hence mysql, etc.)
14:23 eythian then don't do that.
14:23 eythian just dump the koha db you want
14:23 jcamins mtompset: I'm not sure what you're doing, but that's not the right way to do it.
14:23 jcamins If you are transferring Koha, just use the DB.
14:24 mtompset jcamins, I figured that much out.
14:24 jcamins If you are trying to clone an entire system, you should just use some sort of system imaging software.
14:24 mtompset Not trying to clone.
14:24 mtompset Trying to take data from production tarball install...
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14:24 mtompset and get it into a koha-common install.
14:24 jcamins Right, that's very easy.
14:24 mtompset I'm failing.
14:25 jcamins mysqldump kohadb > file.sql
14:25 mtompset It must not be easy.
14:25 jcamins koha-create --create-db mylibrary
14:25 mtompset Yes... I'll have to limit my dump.
14:25 jcamins Import file.sql into koha_mylibrary.
14:25 mtompset -- that came out wrong.
14:26 jcamins Other than a full backup, I don't think there is any reason to dump all your databases, including mysql.
14:26 jcamins It makes you expect that other settings are going to be exactly the same.
14:27 mtompset And clearly I can't expect.
14:27 mtompset So... off to trim mysqldump to just one DB.
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14:28 jcamins Right. If nothing else, crontabs will be different. As we saw on the mailing list, this can cause no end of confusion when you try to "fix" it.
14:29 * wizzyrea waves
14:31 mtompset This is why I'm trying a packages install.
14:31 mtompset I want to understand the differences in install types.
14:33 mtompset I will also help me tweak the Koha on Ubuntu wiki page to better reflect problems. And to warn people, "Don't follow this if you are doing a packages install!"
14:35 mtompset the packages install leaves the koha instance database empty until you do a web install?
14:35 eythian yeah
14:35 eythian it has to
14:35 jcamins mtompset: yes, same as the tarball.
14:35 eythian (unless you provide the default.sql.gz file)
14:36 mtompset but then the script would set up the kohauser and such on the default.sql.gz file
14:37 eythian it would create a default user, yeah
14:39 mtompset anything to git or tarball installs seem much easier than anything to package installs. In the former, a full dump will work. In the latter, you must trim it to just the koha database.
14:40 * jcamins doesn't buy it. Dumping all your databases is just plain a bad idea.
14:41 jcamins At least, that's how I see it.
14:41 jcamins You're bringing along cruft and baggage from an old system.
14:41 mtompset I was already doing that for full backup purposes.
14:42 jcamins Sure, it's fine for a backup, but don't use it for anything less than a full restore.
14:42 jcamins That's my feeling, anyway.
14:43 mtompset I was trying to be lazy and not have to dump just one db for this process... reuse is good sometimes. :)
14:43 jcamins Plus, it's not like you can't just set the db/user/password to whatever you want by editing the koha-conf.xml file, same as you do with a tarball install.
14:43 mtompset Though, we decided to got with lzma's, not gz's. :)
14:44 mtompset actually, the build step in the tarball is what sets it.
14:44 mtompset no file editing.
14:44 mtompset if you have to edit a file, the install is too complex. :)
14:45 mtompset And... if I dump just the one DB... it should be simple enough.
14:45 eythian isn't it easier to just dump one?
14:45 mtompset -a is shorter than a db name. :P
14:45 jcamins And oh-so-much-more dangerous. :)
14:45 eythian it's also a billion times easier to restore.
14:46 mtompset True...
14:46 eythian (especially if you want to be changing db names or something)
14:46 mtompset true
14:48 mtompset is import the correct SQL command, jcamins?
14:49 eythian you want: mysql -u ..... -p < file.sql
14:49 jcamins Uhhh... I generally just use mysql < filename.sql
14:49 jcamins You could also use SOURCE, of course.
14:50 eythian '\.' is probably safter though
14:50 mtompset the koha-zebra-daemon was running as the user I couldn't delete.
14:50 jcamins '\.' ?
14:53 eythian mtompset: yes. 'sudo /etc/init.d/koha-common stop' kills it (though maybe it gets confused if something failed.)
14:53 mtompset I'll probably... mysql -u ... -p .... > user koha_...; > source db.sql;
14:53 eythian jcamins: shortcut for source
14:53 eythian mtompset: I wouldn't, your < is the wrong way around
14:53 eythian also your user is in the wrong place
14:53 mtompset No those are prompts.
14:53 eythian oh duh :)
14:53 mtompset Oops... I meant use;
14:53 eythian ah
14:54 mtompset Yes, it got confused.
14:54 mtompset I did a koha-remove... and it failed.
14:54 mtompset so I had to kill the daemon manually, and delete the user.
14:54 eythian it really needs to be made more robust
14:55 mtompset Don't look at me... I'm liking tarballs. ;)
14:57 mtompset okay... since the passwd thing failed to work for me... gone..
14:57 eythian you won't when you discover "koha-mysql"
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14:58 jcamins Yeah, koha-mysql is pretty awesome.
14:58 mtompset eythian++
14:58 mtompset Thanks for the tip.
14:58 mtompset But I want to get a package install done first.
14:59 mtompset I'm assuming koha-mysql is any time after the koha-create?
14:59 jcamins Though, really the way they ensure you don't hoist yourself on your own petard makes packages worthwhile in my eyes.
14:59 jcamins mtompset: that is correct.
15:00 mtompset interestingly enough only 3 things installed from the when I was doing the apt-get install koha-common.
15:00 eythian not surprising if you already had an isntall on that box
15:00 eythian normally it's more like 100+
15:00 mtompset Nope...
15:01 mtompset No install.
15:01 mtompset This is a fresh VM.
15:01 jcamins eythian: from the repo, not in general.
15:01 jcamins mtompset: that sounds about right.
15:01 eythian oh right
15:01 jcamins Are you installing 3.6.x or 3.8.x?
15:01 eythian yeah, there's only about 3 or 4 other things in there anyway
15:01 mtompset Yes, there were over 200+ things to install.
15:01 mtompset I set up squeeze.
15:01 mtompset as the repo, so I'm assuming it will be 3.8.x
15:02 jcamins Yup.
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15:02 Woody quick question for someone in regards to the Koha logo
15:03 mtompset Maybe. :)
15:03 mtompset What's the question?
15:03 wahanui the question is, like, "What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?"
15:03 jcamins What's the answer?
15:03 wahanui i guess the answer is always go back to sleep or 42
15:03 * mtompset laughs, "Silly bot!"
15:03 jcamins Thanks, wahanui.
15:03 wahanui my pleasure jcamins
15:03 Woody haha I wish. But for serious, I'm using the Koha logo on a public library website, am I allowed to change the colour of the logo to better match our website's theme?
15:04 Woody or must it stay black?
15:04 mtompset Isn't it all released under GPL? I would think colour changes would be okay.
15:04 mtompset I don't know.
15:04 jcamins Woody: as far as I know you can change the color to anything you want.
15:05 jcamins Whoops. Someone hit refresh.
15:05 * mtompset grins.
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15:05 Woody awesome. Firefox just quit on me. Anyone post an answer in the 30 seconds I was gone?
15:05 mtompset jcamins commented further.
15:06 eythian <jcamins> Woody: as far as I know you can change the color to anything you want.
15:06 jcamins Hehe. I thought it was a refresh when trying to get to a different page.
15:06 jcamins :)
15:06 Woody the GPL is a bit vague on modifying trademarked logos.
15:06 jcamins I think you just can't use the logo for something other than Koha.
15:06 Woody Makes sense.
15:06 mtompset Not to mention... it is green in other places.
15:07 jcamins Also purple in some places.
15:07 Woody Whelp, I'll try it out, and if I hear of any complaints I'll just switch it back.
15:07 jcamins Makes sense.
15:07 mtompset Thanks for using Koha. :)
15:07 Woody No problem. Thanks for all your help :-)
15:07 jcamins Oh, one thing you shouldn't do with the logo: choose ugly colors! ;)
15:07 Woody haha deal
15:08 jcamins I'd be interested to see your OPAC design once you've finished it.
15:08 Woody Once it's complete perhaps I'll stop by again to drop off the link
15:08 jcamins :)
15:09 Woody Anyways time to load up GIMP and get to work. Have a great weekend everyone
15:09 jcamins You too.
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15:15 rambutan daem, I'm dealing with the logo issue right now myself. I could have had some input
15:15 rambutan The community really really needs to fix this problem.
15:15 jcamins What problem?
15:15 wahanui it has been said that problem is its human beings doing it
15:19 wizzyrea yea, it's not up to the community to fix the problem.
15:19 wizzyrea the problem could have been fixed many times over.
15:20 rambutan OK, I've got vinegar in my system so....
15:20 rambutan the problem is that PTFS owns the Koha logo trademark/copyright in the US
15:21 rambutan I had wanted to paint the logo on our upcoming bookmobile, but we can't because of the trademark
15:21 rambutan this is a community problem.
15:22 mtompset Yes, but your bookmobile isn't an installation of Koha, so why would you want to paint the logo on it?
15:22 rambutan I don't know the solution for sure, but if we have to rename "Koha" to "Tinkerbell" and start all over with a clear statement of licensing,
15:22 rambutan well, sometime the problem is going to have to be resolved
15:23 rambutan mtompset: to promote Koha. Evangelism.
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15:25 mtompset drive your bookmobile outside of the US? I really don't know a solution.
15:25 rambutan yea, maybe we could service Canada?
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15:25 jcamins Hehe.
15:25 jcamins A bit of a schlep.
15:25 rambutan I'm sure they would need tech support for those trips
15:27 jcamins You know, the cataloguing module is still painful to use.
15:27 jcamins I keep on hoping it'll be less unpleasant one day, but I don't see it.
15:27 mtompset But, jcamins, you are the hemi-semi-demi cataloguing deity. ;)
15:27 jcamins mtompset: I'm not saying I can't use it, I'm saying it's awful.
15:28 mtompset jcamins?
15:28 wahanui it has been said that jcamins is A-Grade developper on Koha willing to rewrite it from top to bottom. Good Luck jcamins
15:29 * mtompset grins, "Another sub-project."
15:29 * jcamins won't be rewriting the cataloguing module just now.
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15:37 eythian leave it for tomorrow, eh?
15:40 * mtompset high fives eythian.
15:40 mtompset okay... running the SQL script now. :)
15:45 kf bye all, have a nice weekend ! :)
15:45 * mtompset waits for the tables to all get imported.
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15:53 wizzyrea koha on ubuntu?
15:53 wahanui well, koha on ubuntu is[…]ki/Koha_on_Ubuntu
15:53 wizzyrea thx wahanui
15:53 jcamins thx wahanui is <reply> yw
15:53 jcamins thx wahanui?
15:53 wahanui yw
15:53 jcamins :)
15:54 oleonard So wait, who says PTFS has a trademark on the Koha logo?
15:54 oleonard The name, yes, but the logo too?
15:56 mtompset wizzyrea: why were you looking for koha on ubuntu?
15:56 wizzyrea the logo is included in the tm I believe
15:56 wizzyrea sekkrits ;)
15:56 wizzyrea no, because I was updating my dev install on my laptop and
15:56 wizzyrea wanted to know if there were any things I should be aware of
15:57 wizzyrea it's 12.04
15:57 wizzyrea looks happy though
15:57 mtompset you probably want to make sure you have the repo added.
15:57 mtompset Which hasn't made it into the wiki yet.
15:57 mtompset Which reminds me...
15:57 jcamins I'm not sure they do, actually.
15:58 wizzyrea naw it's a dev install
15:58 wizzyrea not packagess
15:58 wizzyrea I was looking at dependencies and stuffs
15:58 jcamins wizzyrea: you'll still need for dependencies.
15:58 mtompset template::plugin::htmltotext
15:58 mtompset doesn't exist in Ubuntu.
15:58 jcamins ^^ that one
15:58 wizzyrea ah so
15:58 mtompset packages?
15:58 wahanui packages is at
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15:59 mtompset go there... add the squeeze-dev.
15:59 mtompset do the wget for the key.
15:59 mtompset blah blah blah... you know the drill. :)
16:00 mtompset (apt-get update;apt-get upgrade...)
16:00 wizzyrea yep
16:00 mtompset And the capitalization on that name is wrong, but you get the idea.
16:01 mtompset Template::Plugin::HtmlToText... I think.
16:01 mtompset and that reminds me...
16:01 mtompset are the two datapaginator ones in yet?
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16:01 mtompset Yes, I know they are optional.
16:01 jcamins mtompset: nope.
16:01 jcamins They don't build.
16:02 mtompset Oh. :(
16:02 mtompset Sweet! Bug 8485 is signed off.
16:02 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8485 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Make batch friendly
16:03 mtompset khall++
16:03 mtompset Thanks. :)
16:03 khall glad to assist!
16:03 mtompset It's a necessary change for a yum install script I was working on. :)
16:04 mtompset Yes, I said 'yum' in the midst of an 'apt-get' crowd. :P
16:04 oleonard We say yum all the time. Usually in reference to jcamins' lunch.
16:05 gaetan_B bye !
16:05 mtompset I was refering to .... (in a hushed voice) RPM-base distributions.
16:05 mtompset Bye, gaetan_B
16:06 mtompset There are like 18 missing libraries under CentOS 6.3
16:06 mtompset and that's with EPEL enabled.
16:07 mtompset 18 including the optional ones.
16:07 mtompset that's a lot of CPAN'ing.
16:07 mtompset *cringes*
16:09 mtompset wow... that's a small apache site configuration file.
16:09 mtompset The includes must really shrink it.
16:16 mtompset Okay... something went wrong...
16:16 jcamins mtompset: why?
16:16 mtompset I didn't try to set any funky password or anything.
16:16 jcamins Did you change the password?
16:16 mtompset No, I didn't.
16:17 mtompset Whatever it generated.
16:17 jcamins And you're using the correct password according to koha-conf.xml?
16:17 mtompset Let me check... because I didn't edit the xml file at all.
16:18 jcamins mtompset: it's easy to get confused and try to log in using the Zebra credentials.
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16:18 jcamins Which won't work no matter how many times you try.
16:18 mtompset I didn't even get a login prompt.
16:19 jcamins Ah. Hm.
16:19 jcamins Wait.
16:19 jcamins Are you on 12.04?
16:19 jcamins (Ubuntu)
16:19 mtompset Yes.
16:20 jcamins You need to do an extra CREATE USER thanks to the stupid anonymous login feature.
16:20 jcamins That was patched for the next version.
16:20 mtompset AH!
16:20 mtompset Right.
16:20 jcamins CREATE USER 'koha_teamwork'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY 'samepass';
16:24 mtompset do I need a grant all too?
16:26 paul_p[…]letter-9-2012-07/ => RM newsletter published.
16:26 paul_p and leaving for vacation !
16:27 jcamins mtompset: I'm not sure. But it's worth trying again.
16:27 mtompset Ah... THERE'S the password.
16:28 mtompset I see what you mean about the zebra password and the koha password.
16:29 mtompset YAY! Web installer page.
16:30 jcamins :)
16:30 mtompset That was a journey and a half.
16:31 mtompset I hope my web page doesn't time out on the upgrade.
16:31 jcamins It will, but it doesn't matter.
16:31 mtompset I have had that happen... just had to wait for the process to finish running.
16:31 jcamins Yup.
16:32 jcamins Happens to me every time I use a dev or tarball install.
16:32 jcamins After the initial inconvenience of importing a package install, you'll never have to worry about it again.
16:32 mtompset update errors.
16:32 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5600: very tiny follow-up to pass perlcritic <[…]f48345b3cdec058ce> / Bug 5600 follow-up: Fix commandline check in order to work under Plack <[…]f0d2cf9bde60fcc25> / Bug 5600: Command line interface for tools/ <
16:32 mtompset [Sat Aug 4 00:28:28 2012] DBD::mysql::db do failed: Duplicate column name 'patronreason' at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/ins​taller/data/mysql/ line 4586.
16:32 mtompset [Sat Aug 4 00:28:29 2012] DBD::mysql::db do failed: Duplicate entry '545' for key 'PRIMARY' at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/ins​taller/data/mysql/ line 4618.
16:33 jcamins You can ignore all those duplicate messages.
16:33 jcamins That means something was backported to 3.6.x.
16:33 mtompset Yes, but that would freak someone out.
16:33 jcamins They'll survive.
16:33 jcamins And if they're concerned enough to ask, we'll tell them not to worry about it.
16:35 wizzyrea there, that's a much prettier dependencies page.
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16:38 jenkins_koha Starting build #801 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 1 mo 0 days ago)
16:39 mtompset where is gradient CSS'd?
16:40 jcamins mtompset: probably opac.css?
16:40 mtompset under staff-client
16:40 oleonard mtompset: got Firebug?
16:40 mtompset Yes.
16:40 mtompset Hence the question.
16:41 oleonard Firebug gives you the answer :)
16:41 oleonard Right-click, inspect in Firebug
16:41 mtompset It doesn't say which CSS it is in.
16:41 oleonard staff-global.css (line 195)
16:42 oleonard It does say. Not sure if yours is configured differently?
16:42 mtompset Ah... okay... let me turn off that syspref.
16:42 oleonard
16:43 mtompset I have my staff-global pointed to a tweaked version via a syspref.
16:43 mtompset That's why it is weird.
16:44 jcamins mtompset: Firebug will tell you where the setting comes from.
16:44 mtompset No, I didn't overwrite... I used the syspref. :)
16:44 mtompset Yes, but my tweaked staff-global is from 3.6.3
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16:44 mtompset That's why it is screwy.
16:45 jcamins Alt-shift-refresh?
16:46 mtompset No... just clear the syspref, and all should be good.
16:46 mtompset Yep... All is good.
16:46 jcamins Yay!
16:47 mtompset Just have to tweak the right version of staff-global for the job. :)
16:47 mtompset But, that's a job for TOMORROW (or next week)
16:47 mtompset I suppose I should attempt a search
16:48 jcamins mtompset: you will, of course, need to reindex if you didn't yet.
16:49 mtompset Yes. And the best way to reindex is?
16:49 mtompset Seeing as there is no 'koha' user.
16:49 jcamins koha-rebuild-zebra --full cooperation
16:49 mtompset you mean teamwork.
16:49 jcamins teamwork, yes.
16:49 jcamins But there's an 'i' in "cooperation"!
16:49 mtompset sudo or no sudo?
16:50 jcamins sudo
16:51 mtompset well, one advantage of the package install is access to all those debianist scripts. :)
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16:53 mtompset because we all know the koha-rebuild-zebra really is a wrapper.
16:53 jcamins Yup.
16:53 jcamins But a convenient one.
16:57 mtompset When will the next 3.8.x be out?
16:57 jcamins Dashboard?
16:57 jcamins dashboard is at
16:57 jcamins August 22, I imagine.
16:58 mtompset I'm wondering if instead of upgrading to 3.6.7we should jump to 3.8.x just after the 22nd.
16:58 jcamins You could do that.
16:58 * jcamins is sticking with 3.6.x for another few releases.
16:58 mtompset because gradient makes my styling life a lot easier!
16:59 mtompset Think you could get gradient in 3.6.8?
17:00 jcamins You could just steal the staff-global.css file from 3.8.x.
17:00 oleonard It requires some markup changes
17:00 jcamins I won't be backporting it to 3.6.x because it offers very little benefit.
17:00 jcamins Oh, I didn't realize there were markup changes.
17:01 jcamins In that case, no, it won't be going into 3.6.x.
17:01 mtompset Yes. there are markup changes.
17:01 mtompset that single div is a lifesaver!
17:02 mtompset The problem is I head back early november... just before 3.10 is released.
17:02 mtompset I don't want to have to upgrade again, because I didn't just to 3.8.x
17:02 mtompset ^just^jump^
17:03 * jcamins won't be upgrading to 3.10 any time soon.
17:03 jcamins Since you don't do fines, you should be fine with 3.8, I think.
17:04 mtompset --yet.
17:05 mtompset Wow! khall has the last 5 signoffs. Way to go for productivity. :)
17:06 jcamins And two of them are on my patches. :)
17:07 mtompset and one was mine... hence the +'s before. :)
17:10 mtompset Hmmm.... well, paul_p is on vacation... (or will be shortly, and I am too tired to think about bug 8329
17:10 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8329 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , GetLostItems in has a SELECT *
17:11 mtompset If anyone wants to comment on it, feel free.
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17:21 * mtompset is waiting for zebra to reindex, "What a pain!"
17:21 jcamins mtompset: yeah, I had to reindex a 200k record database three times yesterday. It was very frustrating.
17:21 mtompset Oh, and the two perl dependencies that would be really nice on are Data::Paginator and Data::Pagination
17:22 jcamins mtompset: agreed.
17:22 jcamins However, since they don't compile, don't hold your breath.
17:22 mtompset Why don't the compile?
17:22 * jcamins shrugs
17:22 jcamins No idea.
17:22 mtompset Should I try doing a CPAN on a VM, just to find out?
17:22 jcamins That's why I asked on bug 8233 for an explanation.
17:22 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8233 major, P2, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , New search engine layer - introduce solr without breaking anything else
17:23 jcamins It's worth a try, I suppose.
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17:30 rambutan jcamins: email to you
17:37 jcamins rambutan: thanks.
17:42 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #801: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 4 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/801/
17:42 jenkins_koha * robin: Bug 8544 - make the RSS icon CSS-changeable
17:42 jenkins_koha * 8263 Make OPAC stylesheet preferences more consistent (dbrev)
17:42 jenkins_koha * 8263 Consistent stylesheet prefs
17:42 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 8263 follow-up DBRev number
17:42 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8544 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , Make RSS icon styleable
17:42 jenkins_koha * veron: Bug 7628 - Required format is not enforced for Patron Categories
17:42 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 7628: Escape '+' characters for categorycode
17:42 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 3383 - Item due reminder digests - cannot display title information
17:42 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 3383 - Followup - Switch from GetMemberDetails to GetMember
17:42 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8263 enhancement, P5 - low, ---,, Pushed to Master , Make OPAC stylesheet preferences more consistent
17:42 jenkins_koha * julian.maurice: Bug 5600: Command line interface for tools/
17:42 jenkins_koha * julian.maurice: Bug 5600 follow-up: Fix commandline check in order to work under Plack
17:42 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7628 normal, P3, ---, veron, Pushed to Master , Required format is not enforced for Patron Categories
17:42 jenkins_koha * julian.maurice: Bug 5600: very tiny follow-up to pass perlcritic
17:42 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3383 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Item due reminder digests - cannot display title information
17:42 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5600 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , Bulk MARC biblio export script
17:45 melia hi #koha
17:46 melia I have a bugzilla question. I want to remove an attachment that I added to a bug, but I can't seem to make it go away.  I marked it obsolete, but you can still see it...
17:47 jcamins melia: you can't delete an attachment, just mark it obsolete.
17:47 melia darn it. ok. I guess obsolete is better than nothing.
17:48 * mtompset figures out why it is taking so long to reindex... LOW MEMORY!
17:48 jcamins Since it won't show up in git-bz, no one will try to apply it.
17:49 melia it's just a scanned reserve slip, but I realized after I put it on there that I should have blacked out the patron name or something. I don't want to show his private info to the whole world, but now I can't get rid of it.
17:49 jcamins Ah. Yeah. You could ask rangi. He might be able to delete it.
17:50 mtompset What's the bug number?
17:50 melia bug 8542
17:50 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8542 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , <<today>> token produces a funny looking time on Reserves Slip
17:50 oleonard Why do you ask mtompset? You can't administer Bugzilla.
17:50 mtompset No, but someone who can may read IRC logs, before actually coming here.
17:51 melia I'll ask rangi for help. thanks everyone!
17:55 gmcharlt melia: I've deleted that attachment
17:55 melia oh good. thanks very much! I hate when I do something dumb and then can't fix it :)
17:56 mtompset I'm sure we've all been there and done that too. :)
17:56 gmcharlt melia: you're welcome
17:57 mtompset give my system's low memory... I think sleep is in order.
17:58 mtompset Maybe the reindex will be done (or have noticeably failed) later.
17:58 mtompset Have a good day (24 hour period), #koha.
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18:25 jcamins Yay!
18:26 * jcamins was on the server with almost no one attached. It was very dull.
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18:27 * oleonard hands jcamins a plate of hors d'oeuvres and a drink with an umbrella in it
18:27 oleonard khall around?
18:27 khall indeed
18:28 oleonard Were you testing the patch on Bug 4048 or the gitorious branch?
18:28 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4048 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Patch doesn't apply , CSS and JS libs must be outside of translated paths
18:28 khall just the attached patch
18:28 jcamins Ooh, how nice. Apparently there was a party on the other server during the netsplit. Fortunate oleonard saved some hors d'oeuvres and a drink.
18:29 oleonard khall: the patch is a follow-up of the work in the gitorious branch.
18:29 * oleonard suspects the attached patch is obsolete,but doesn't block testing of the bug
18:30 khall gotcha, thanks for the info!
18:30 * cait waves
18:30 oleonard Thanks for testing khall
18:31 cait party?
18:31 khall hey cait, hope everything is well over in your neck of the woods
18:31 khall no prob
18:31 cait khall: mostly - as always not getting all done I would like to do :)
18:31 khall thus is life :P
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18:44 oleonard anyone else having trouble fetching from
18:49 gmcharlt oleonard: not me
18:49 * oleonard always seems to have this problem when others don't
18:50 oleonard Southeast Ohio git vortex
19:05 oleonard Uh... jcamins_away, Bug 8571?
19:05 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8571 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fcapovilla, ASSIGNED , Add search suggestions on the OPAC ("Did you mean?" feature)
19:07 wizzyrea hrm
19:10 cait hrm
19:10 cait indeed
19:15 maximep damn.
19:16 maximep yet another feature we did more than a year ago
19:16 oleonard ??
19:17 maximep and couldn't share
19:18 jwagner It's also a duplicate of code we made available in Bug 4240, which is of course long out of date now
19:18 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4240 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, jwagner, RESOLVED WONTFIX, Add a "did you mean" spell checker to the OPAC
19:18 cait maximep: I tested jared's feature yesterday -  ireally like the way you can extend it
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19:20 cait bug 8209
19:20 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8209 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , "Did you mean?" suggestions based on authorities
19:28 * oleonard wonders how many hours the Koha project has lost to duplicated efforts
19:28 maximep yeah that sucks :/
19:28 cait i guess a lot of them.
19:29 cait release early release often
19:29 maximep but it's not a waste of time to have different ways to do the code and have the best win
19:29 maximep that's prety much the perl way to do it
19:29 cait :)
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19:30 oleonard It's a waste of time if you code each version to completion and then have to throw one away
19:30 maximep not really
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19:31 maximep there's always a way to reuse some of the code
19:32 maximep I guess you should try jcamins_away's patch fcapovilla
19:34 fcapovilla Looking at the diff, his patch seems a lot more complete than mine. Mine is just a simple authority search.
19:41 cait if it works very different my
19:41 cait maybe you could create your own plugin
19:43 maximep you think this will be in 3.10 ?
19:43 maximep *do you
19:43 cait it will go through qa
19:43 cait next
19:43 cait but I think it#s not likely to break something, so I think it should be
19:44 cait hopefully :)
19:44 maximep =)
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20:01 jcamins_away Bug 4240 and bug 8209 aren't similar at all.
20:01 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4240 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, jwagner, RESOLVED WONTFIX, Add a "did you mean" spell checker to the OPAC
20:01 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8209 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , "Did you mean?" suggestions based on authorities
20:02 jcamins Clearly bug 8571 isn't a duplicate of both of them.
20:02 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8571 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fcapovilla, ASSIGNED , Add search suggestions on the OPAC ("Did you mean?" feature)
20:02 * jcamins consults the patch on bug 8571.
20:02 oleonard Not least because Bug 4240 was never properly submitted to Koha
20:02 jcamins Actually, that's a duplicate of bug 7417.
20:02 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7417 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Include alternate forms from authorities in bibliographic searches
20:03 jcamins :D
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20:04 jcamins I mean, different implementation, but same function.
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20:04 * jcamins thinks he prefers his patches for bug 7417 and bug 8209. Offer far more options.
20:05 jcamins But then, I'm biased.
20:05 cait I like your implementation too
20:06 * jcamins had to comment.
20:06 jcamins fcapovilla: ah, I see you're online.
20:07 jcamins fcapovilla: you should take a look at bug 7417. I think that will do what you want.
20:08 rangi 4240 otoh will do nothing
20:08 rangi :_
20:08 rangi :) too
20:08 cait bug 4240
20:08 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4240 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, jwagner, RESOLVED WONTFIX, Add a "did you mean" spell checker to the OPAC
20:08 cait ah
20:09 fcapovilla Honestly, all my patch does is show search suggestions based on the search terms the user entered. It search into the "see from" of authorities to find its suggestions.
20:09 fcapovilla It's closer to bug 8209
20:09 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8209 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , "Did you mean?" suggestions based on authorities
20:10 jcamins fcapovilla: the display is closer. However, in terms of what you were trying to get at, I think it's closer to 7417.
20:11 fcapovilla The feature is already working on our client's instances, but in a future update we will have to use jcamins's patch. We might create a plugin for it if our client doesn't exactly like the way it works :P
20:11 jcamins fcapovilla: that's the idea. With the architecture in bug 8209 it's eeeeeasssssyyyyyyyy. :)
20:12 jcamins In fact, you could (no joke) copy and paste the code you added to the .pl into a copy of Koha/Filter/, and have it working in ten minutes.
20:13 fcapovilla We'll see when we get there. Maybe our client will prefer your method :P
20:14 jcamins Add an extra ten minutes to write^H^Hborrow^H^Hsteal a unit test, and you're done. :)
20:15 cait lol
20:17 oleonard have a good weekend #koha
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20:26 maximep koha' community is the best =)
20:26 maximep have a good weekend everyone
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20:31 cait maximep++
20:31 jcamins mtj: around?
20:32 rangi its 8.30am saturday, unlikely :)
20:32 jcamins Heh.
20:32 jcamins Right.
20:32 jcamins Well, he thinks I'm around at midnight on Fridays, so who could say? :P
20:35 rangi :)
20:38 * rangi is watching the 10,000m live
20:38 rangi i like the middle/long races
20:40 rangi hmm japan 1 and 2
20:40 rangi this is unexpected
20:40 rangi to me anyway
20:41 rambutan I like the minor sports (which never get shown)
20:41 rangi like?
20:41 wahanui like is probably done all the time in the Lua community
20:42 rangi we have 8 channels of live coverage, probably on one of those
20:42 rangi i was watching handball
20:43 rambutan 1 ex: shooting sports (US shooter (skeet I think) won her 5th gold this time--in 5 different olympics)
20:43 rangi oh, yeah i saw that
20:43 rangi the winner of the mens skeet hit some ridiculous thing
20:43 cait me too :)
20:43 rangi 316 out of 320 or something insane
20:44 rangi i saw the air pistol and small bore rifle too
20:44 rangi and i watched all the archery
20:44 rangi i flick between channels lots :)
20:45 rangi didnt watch any of the swimming this year, oh look its the same race again and again and again and agian
20:46 rambutan Yea, I like watching tennis too, but all the TV coverage invariably is of angles and zoom levels that annoy the h* out of me.
20:46 rangi now its kenya kenya ethiopia kenya
20:46 rangi thats more like it
20:46 rangi rambutan: yeah just cos you can doesnt mean you should, directors need to learn that
20:47 rangi i did watch synchronised diving
20:47 rangi thats insane
20:51 rambutan hey rangi, what does the "Te" mean in Te Horowhenua Trust?
20:51 rangi the
20:52 rambutan ah, well, I was reading it like that, but didn't think it would be so obvious
20:53 rangi want a job there?
20:53 rangi[…]rs/Job-Vacancies/
20:53 rangi :)
20:54 rangi
20:54 rambutan hummm. I'm thinking when I leave here I really need to do something challenging. I'd like to work on space systems or something
20:54 rambutan and space is winding down here in the US, of course
20:55 rambutan GIS maybe. Space imagery maybe.
20:56 rangi yep
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21:29 rangi ok time to go find something to do with the kids
21:30 jcamins rangi: I suggest finding haka classes. :)
21:30 * cait agrees on haka
21:30 jcamins Or performances, but if your sons are going to join in anyway, might as well go to classes, right?
21:30 jcamins Less likely to confuse people. :)
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22:52 jcamins '"Vibrant" did you mean' features. Heh.
22:52 * jcamins likes that requirement.

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