Time Nick Message
22:52 * jcamins likes that requirement.
22:52 jcamins '"Vibrant" did you mean' features. Heh.
21:30 jcamins Less likely to confuse people. :)
21:30 jcamins Or performances, but if your sons are going to join in anyway, might as well go to classes, right?
21:30 * cait agrees on haka
21:30 jcamins rangi: I suggest finding haka classes. :)
21:29 rangi ok time to go find something to do with the kids
20:56 rangi yep
20:55 rambutan GIS maybe. Space imagery maybe.
20:54 rambutan and space is winding down here in the US, of course
20:54 rambutan hummm. I'm thinking when I leave here I really need to do something challenging. I'd like to work on space systems or something
20:54 rangi http://tetakere.org.nz/index.php
20:53 rangi :)
20:53 rangi http://www.horowhenua.govt.nz/Council/Careers/Job-Vacancies/
20:53 rangi want a job there?
20:52 rambutan ah, well, I was reading it like that, but didn't think it would be so obvious
20:51 rangi the
20:51 rambutan hey rangi, what does the "Te" mean in Te Horowhenua Trust?
20:47 rangi thats insane
20:47 rangi i did watch synchronised diving
20:46 rangi rambutan: yeah just cos you can doesnt mean you should, directors need to learn that
20:46 rangi thats more like it
20:46 rangi now its kenya kenya ethiopia kenya
20:46 rambutan Yea, I like watching tennis too, but all the TV coverage invariably is of angles and zoom levels that annoy the h* out of me.
20:45 rangi didnt watch any of the swimming this year, oh look its the same race again and again and again and agian
20:44 rangi i flick between channels lots :)
20:44 rangi and i watched all the archery
20:44 rangi i saw the air pistol and small bore rifle too
20:43 rangi 316 out of 320 or something insane
20:43 cait me too :)
20:43 rangi the winner of the mens skeet hit some ridiculous thing
20:43 rangi oh, yeah i saw that
20:43 rambutan 1 ex: shooting sports (US shooter (skeet I think) won her 5th gold this time--in 5 different olympics)
20:42 rangi i was watching handball
20:42 rangi we have 8 channels of live coverage, probably on one of those
20:41 wahanui like is probably done all the time in the Lua community
20:41 rangi like?
20:41 rambutan I like the minor sports (which never get shown)
20:40 rangi to me anyway
20:40 rangi this is unexpected
20:40 rangi hmm japan 1 and 2
20:38 rangi i like the middle/long races
20:38 * rangi is watching the 10,000m live
20:35 rangi :)
20:32 jcamins Well, he thinks I'm around at midnight on Fridays, so who could say? :P
20:32 jcamins Right.
20:32 jcamins Heh.
20:32 rangi its 8.30am saturday, unlikely :)
20:31 jcamins mtj: around?
20:31 cait maximep++
20:26 maximep have a good weekend everyone
20:26 maximep koha' community is the best =)
20:17 oleonard have a good weekend #koha
20:15 cait lol
20:14 jcamins Add an extra ten minutes to write^H^Hborrow^H^Hsteal a unit test, and you're done. :)
20:13 fcapovilla We'll see when we get there. Maybe our client will prefer your method :P
20:12 jcamins In fact, you could (no joke) copy and paste the code you added to the .pl into a copy of Koha/Filter/Null.pm, and have it working in ten minutes.
20:11 jcamins fcapovilla: that's the idea. With the architecture in bug 8209 it's eeeeeasssssyyyyyyyy. :)
20:11 fcapovilla The feature is already working on our client's instances, but in a future update we will have to use jcamins's patch. We might create a plugin for it if our client doesn't exactly like the way it works :P
20:10 jcamins fcapovilla: the display is closer. However, in terms of what you were trying to get at, I think it's closer to 7417.
20:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8209 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , "Did you mean?" suggestions based on authorities
20:09 fcapovilla It's closer to bug 8209
20:09 fcapovilla Honestly, all my patch does is show search suggestions based on the search terms the user entered. It search into the "see from" of authorities to find its suggestions.
20:08 cait ah
20:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4240 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, jwagner, RESOLVED WONTFIX, Add a "did you mean" spell checker to the OPAC
20:08 cait bug 4240
20:08 rangi :) too
20:08 rangi :_
20:08 rangi 4240 otoh will do nothing
20:07 jcamins fcapovilla: you should take a look at bug 7417. I think that will do what you want.
20:06 jcamins fcapovilla: ah, I see you're online.
20:06 * jcamins had to comment.
20:05 cait I like your implementation too
20:05 jcamins But then, I'm biased.
20:04 * jcamins thinks he prefers his patches for bug 7417 and bug 8209. Offer far more options.
20:04 jcamins I mean, different implementation, but same function.
20:03 jcamins :D
20:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7417 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Include alternate forms from authorities in bibliographic searches
20:02 jcamins Actually, that's a duplicate of bug 7417.
20:02 oleonard Not least because Bug 4240 was never properly submitted to Koha
20:02 * jcamins consults the patch on bug 8571.
20:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8571 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fcapovilla, ASSIGNED , Add search suggestions on the OPAC ("Did you mean?" feature)
20:02 jcamins Clearly bug 8571 isn't a duplicate of both of them.
20:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8209 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , "Did you mean?" suggestions based on authorities
20:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4240 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, jwagner, RESOLVED WONTFIX, Add a "did you mean" spell checker to the OPAC
20:01 jcamins_away Bug 4240 and bug 8209 aren't similar at all.
19:44 maximep =)
19:44 cait hopefully :)
19:43 cait but I think it#s not likely to break something, so I think it should be
19:43 cait next
19:43 cait it will go through qa
19:43 maximep *do you
19:43 maximep you think this will be in 3.10 ?
19:41 cait maybe you could create your own plugin
19:41 cait if it works very different my
19:34 fcapovilla Looking at the diff, his patch seems a lot more complete than mine. Mine is just a simple authority search.
19:32 maximep I guess you should try jcamins_away's patch fcapovilla
19:31 maximep there's always a way to reuse some of the code
19:30 maximep not really
19:30 oleonard It's a waste of time if you code each version to completion and then have to throw one away
19:29 cait :)
19:29 maximep that's prety much the perl way to do it
19:29 maximep but it's not a waste of time to have different ways to do the code and have the best win
19:29 cait release early release often
19:28 cait i guess a lot of them.
19:28 maximep yeah that sucks :/
19:28 * oleonard wonders how many hours the Koha project has lost to duplicated efforts
19:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8209 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , "Did you mean?" suggestions based on authorities
19:20 cait bug 8209
19:18 cait maximep: I tested jared's feature yesterday - ireally like the way you can extend it
19:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4240 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, jwagner, RESOLVED WONTFIX, Add a "did you mean" spell checker to the OPAC
19:18 jwagner It's also a duplicate of code we made available in Bug 4240, which is of course long out of date now
19:17 maximep and couldn't share
19:16 oleonard ??
19:16 maximep yet another feature we did more than a year ago
19:15 maximep damn.
19:10 cait indeed
19:10 cait hrm
19:07 wizzyrea hrm
19:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8571 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fcapovilla, ASSIGNED , Add search suggestions on the OPAC ("Did you mean?" feature)
19:05 oleonard Uh... jcamins_away, Bug 8571?
18:50 oleonard Southeast Ohio git vortex
18:49 * oleonard always seems to have this problem when others don't
18:49 gmcharlt oleonard: not me
18:44 oleonard anyone else having trouble fetching from git.koha-community.org?
18:31 khall thus is life :P
18:31 cait khall: mostly - as always not getting all done I would like to do :)
18:31 khall no prob
18:31 khall hey cait, hope everything is well over in your neck of the woods
18:31 cait party?
18:30 oleonard Thanks for testing khall
18:30 * cait waves
18:30 khall gotcha, thanks for the info!
18:29 * oleonard suspects the attached patch is obsolete,but doesn't block testing of the bug
18:29 oleonard khall: the patch is a follow-up of the work in the gitorious branch.
18:28 jcamins Ooh, how nice. Apparently there was a party on the other server during the netsplit. Fortunate oleonard saved some hors d'oeuvres and a drink.
18:28 khall just the attached patch
18:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4048 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Patch doesn't apply , CSS and JS libs must be outside of translated paths
18:28 oleonard Were you testing the patch on Bug 4048 or the gitorious branch?
18:27 khall indeed
18:27 oleonard khall around?
18:27 * oleonard hands jcamins a plate of hors d'oeuvres and a drink with an umbrella in it
18:26 * jcamins was on the server with almost no one attached. It was very dull.
18:25 jcamins Yay!
17:58 mtompset Have a good day (24 hour period), #koha.
17:58 mtompset Maybe the reindex will be done (or have noticeably failed) later.
17:57 mtompset give my system's low memory... I think sleep is in order.
17:56 gmcharlt melia: you're welcome
17:56 mtompset I'm sure we've all been there and done that too. :)
17:55 melia oh good. thanks very much! I hate when I do something dumb and then can't fix it :)
17:55 gmcharlt melia: I've deleted that attachment
17:51 melia I'll ask rangi for help. thanks everyone!
17:50 mtompset No, but someone who can may read IRC logs, before actually coming here.
17:50 oleonard Why do you ask mtompset? You can't administer Bugzilla.
17:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8542 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , <<today>> token produces a funny looking time on Reserves Slip
17:50 melia bug 8542
17:50 mtompset What's the bug number?
17:49 jcamins Ah. Yeah. You could ask rangi. He might be able to delete it.
17:49 melia it's just a scanned reserve slip, but I realized after I put it on there that I should have blacked out the patron name or something. I don't want to show his private info to the whole world, but now I can't get rid of it.
17:48 jcamins Since it won't show up in git-bz, no one will try to apply it.
17:48 * mtompset figures out why it is taking so long to reindex... LOW MEMORY!
17:47 melia darn it. ok. I guess obsolete is better than nothing.
17:47 jcamins melia: you can't delete an attachment, just mark it obsolete.
17:46 melia I have a bugzilla question. I want to remove an attachment that I added to a bug, but I can't seem to make it go away. I marked it obsolete, but you can still see it...
17:45 melia hi #koha
17:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5600 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , Bulk MARC biblio export script
17:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3383 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Item due reminder digests - cannot display title information
17:42 jenkins_koha * julian.maurice: Bug 5600: very tiny follow-up to pass perlcritic
17:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7628 normal, P3, ---, veron, Pushed to Master , Required format is not enforced for Patron Categories
17:42 jenkins_koha * julian.maurice: Bug 5600 follow-up: Fix commandline check in order to work under Plack
17:42 jenkins_koha * julian.maurice: Bug 5600: Command line interface for tools/export.pl
17:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8263 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Make OPAC stylesheet preferences more consistent
17:42 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 3383 - Followup - Switch from GetMemberDetails to GetMember
17:42 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 3383 - Item due reminder digests - cannot display title information
17:42 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 7628: Escape '+' characters for categorycode
17:42 jenkins_koha * veron: Bug 7628 - Required format is not enforced for Patron Categories
17:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8544 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , Make RSS icon styleable
17:42 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 8263 follow-up DBRev number
17:42 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: 8263 Consistent stylesheet prefs
17:42 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: 8263 Make OPAC stylesheet preferences more consistent (dbrev)
17:42 jenkins_koha * robin: Bug 8544 - make the RSS icon CSS-changeable
17:42 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #801: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 4 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/801/
17:37 jcamins rambutan: thanks.
17:30 rambutan jcamins: email to you
17:23 jcamins It's worth a try, I suppose.
17:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8233 major, P2, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , New search engine layer - introduce solr without breaking anything else
17:22 jcamins That's why I asked on bug 8233 for an explanation.
17:22 mtompset Should I try doing a CPAN on a VM, just to find out?
17:22 jcamins No idea.
17:22 * jcamins shrugs
17:22 mtompset Why don't the compile?
17:22 jcamins However, since they don't compile, don't hold your breath.
17:22 jcamins mtompset: agreed.
17:21 mtompset Oh, and the two perl dependencies that would be really nice on debian.koha-community.org are Data::Paginator and Data::Pagination
17:21 jcamins mtompset: yeah, I had to reindex a 200k record database three times yesterday. It was very frustrating.
17:21 * mtompset is waiting for zebra to reindex, "What a pain!"
17:11 mtompset If anyone wants to comment on it, feel free.
17:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8329 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , GetLostItems in C4::Items.pm has a SELECT *
17:10 mtompset Hmmm.... well, paul_p is on vacation... (or will be shortly, and I am too tired to think about bug 8329
17:07 mtompset and one was mine... hence the +'s before. :)
17:06 jcamins And two of them are on my patches. :)
17:05 mtompset Wow! khall has the last 5 signoffs. Way to go for productivity. :)
17:04 mtompset --yet.
17:03 jcamins Since you don't do fines, you should be fine with 3.8, I think.
17:03 * jcamins won't be upgrading to 3.10 any time soon.
17:02 mtompset ^just^jump^
17:02 mtompset I don't want to have to upgrade again, because I didn't just to 3.8.x
17:02 mtompset The problem is I head back early november... just before 3.10 is released.
17:01 mtompset that single div is a lifesaver!
17:01 mtompset Yes. there are markup changes.
17:01 jcamins In that case, no, it won't be going into 3.6.x.
17:00 jcamins Oh, I didn't realize there were markup changes.
17:00 jcamins I won't be backporting it to 3.6.x because it offers very little benefit.
17:00 oleonard It requires some markup changes
17:00 jcamins You could just steal the staff-global.css file from 3.8.x.
16:59 mtompset Think you could get gradient in 3.6.8?
16:58 mtompset because gradient makes my styling life a lot easier!
16:58 * jcamins is sticking with 3.6.x for another few releases.
16:58 jcamins You could do that.
16:58 mtompset I'm wondering if instead of upgrading to 3.6.7we should jump to 3.8.x just after the 22nd.
16:57 jcamins August 22, I imagine.
16:57 jcamins dashboard is at http://dashboard.koha-community.org/
16:57 jcamins Dashboard?
16:57 mtompset When will the next 3.8.x be out?
16:53 jcamins But a convenient one.
16:53 jcamins Yup.
16:53 mtompset because we all know the koha-rebuild-zebra really is a wrapper.
16:51 mtompset well, one advantage of the package install is access to all those debianist scripts. :)
16:50 jcamins sudo
16:49 mtompset sudo or no sudo?
16:49 jcamins But there's an 'i' in "cooperation"!
16:49 jcamins teamwork, yes.
16:49 mtompset you mean teamwork.
16:49 jcamins koha-rebuild-zebra --full cooperation
16:49 mtompset Seeing as there is no 'koha' user.
16:49 mtompset Yes. And the best way to reindex is?
16:48 jcamins mtompset: you will, of course, need to reindex if you didn't yet.
16:47 mtompset I suppose I should attempt a search
16:47 mtompset But, that's a job for TOMORROW (or next week)
16:47 mtompset Just have to tweak the right version of staff-global for the job. :)
16:46 jcamins Yay!
16:46 mtompset Yep... All is good.
16:46 mtompset No... just clear the syspref, and all should be good.
16:45 jcamins Alt-shift-refresh?
16:44 mtompset That's why it is screwy.
16:44 mtompset Yes, but my tweaked staff-global is from 3.6.3
16:44 mtompset No, I didn't overwrite... I used the syspref. :)
16:44 jcamins mtompset: Firebug will tell you where the setting comes from.
16:43 mtompset That's why it is weird.
16:43 mtompset I have my staff-global pointed to a tweaked version via a syspref.
16:42 oleonard http://screencast.com/t/o9aXHtwNsRT
16:42 mtompset Ah... okay... let me turn off that syspref.
16:42 oleonard It does say. Not sure if yours is configured differently?
16:41 oleonard staff-global.css (line 195)
16:41 mtompset It doesn't say which CSS it is in.
16:41 oleonard Right-click, inspect in Firebug
16:41 oleonard Firebug gives you the answer :)
16:40 mtompset Hence the question.
16:40 mtompset Yes.
16:40 oleonard mtompset: got Firebug?
16:40 mtompset under staff-client
16:40 jcamins mtompset: probably opac.css?
16:39 mtompset where is gradient CSS'd?
16:38 jenkins_koha Starting build #801 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 1 mo 0 days ago)
16:35 wizzyrea there, that's a much prettier dependencies page.
16:33 jcamins And if they're concerned enough to ask, we'll tell them not to worry about it.
16:33 jcamins They'll survive.
16:33 mtompset Yes, but that would freak someone out.
16:33 jcamins That means something was backported to 3.6.x.
16:33 jcamins You can ignore all those duplicate messages.
16:32 mtompset [Sat Aug 4 00:28:29 2012] updatedatabase.pl: DBD::mysql::db do failed: Duplicate entry '545' for key 'PRIMARY' at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl line 4618.
16:32 mtompset [Sat Aug 4 00:28:28 2012] updatedatabase.pl: DBD::mysql::db do failed: Duplicate column name 'patronreason' at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl line 4586.
16:32 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5600: very tiny follow-up to pass perlcritic <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=322a9c7fbbcf456084d1937f48345b3cdec058ce> / Bug 5600 follow-up: Fix commandline check in order to work under Plack <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c5e6fb7227d4d30818ca013f0d2cf9bde60fcc25> / Bug 5600: Command line interface for tools/export.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitwe
16:32 mtompset update errors.
16:32 jcamins After the initial inconvenience of importing a package install, you'll never have to worry about it again.
16:32 jcamins Happens to me every time I use a dev or tarball install.
16:31 jcamins Yup.
16:31 mtompset I have had that happen... just had to wait for the process to finish running.
16:31 jcamins It will, but it doesn't matter.
16:31 mtompset I hope my web page doesn't time out on the upgrade.
16:30 mtompset That was a journey and a half.
16:30 jcamins :)
16:29 mtompset YAY! Web installer page.
16:28 mtompset I see what you mean about the zebra password and the koha password.
16:27 mtompset Ah... THERE'S the password.
16:27 jcamins mtompset: I'm not sure. But it's worth trying again.
16:26 paul_p and leaving for vacation !
16:26 paul_p http://koha-community.org/koha-release-manager-newsletter-9-2012-07/ => RM newsletter published.
16:24 mtompset do I need a grant all too?
16:20 jcamins CREATE USER 'koha_teamwork'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY 'samepass';
16:20 mtompset Right.
16:20 mtompset AH!
16:20 jcamins That was patched for the next version.
16:20 jcamins You need to do an extra CREATE USER thanks to the stupid anonymous login feature.
16:19 mtompset Yes.
16:19 jcamins (Ubuntu)
16:19 jcamins Are you on 12.04?
16:19 jcamins Wait.
16:19 jcamins Ah. Hm.
16:18 mtompset I didn't even get a login prompt.
16:18 jcamins Which won't work no matter how many times you try.
16:18 jcamins mtompset: it's easy to get confused and try to log in using the Zebra credentials.
16:17 mtompset Let me check... because I didn't edit the xml file at all.
16:17 jcamins And you're using the correct password according to koha-conf.xml?
16:17 mtompset Whatever it generated.
16:16 mtompset No, I didn't.
16:16 jcamins Did you change the password?
16:16 mtompset I didn't try to set any funky password or anything.
16:16 mtompset [off] Access denied for user 'koha_teamwork'@'localhost' (using password: YES) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 758.
16:16 jcamins mtompset: why?
16:16 mtompset Okay... something went wrong...
16:09 mtompset The includes must really shrink it.
16:09 mtompset wow... that's a small apache site configuration file.
16:07 mtompset *cringes*
16:07 mtompset that's a lot of CPAN'ing.
16:07 mtompset 18 including the optional ones.
16:06 mtompset and that's with EPEL enabled.
16:06 mtompset There are like 18 missing libraries under CentOS 6.3
16:05 mtompset Bye, gaetan_B
16:05 mtompset I was refering to .... (in a hushed voice) RPM-base distributions.
16:05 gaetan_B bye !
16:04 oleonard We say yum all the time. Usually in reference to jcamins' lunch.
16:04 mtompset Yes, I said 'yum' in the midst of an 'apt-get' crowd. :P
16:03 mtompset It's a necessary change for a yum install script I was working on. :)
16:03 khall glad to assist!
16:03 mtompset Thanks. :)
16:03 mtompset khall++
16:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8485 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Make koha_perl_deps.pl batch friendly
16:02 mtompset Sweet! Bug 8485 is signed off.
16:02 mtompset Oh. :(
16:01 jcamins They don't build.
16:01 jcamins mtompset: nope.
16:01 mtompset Yes, I know they are optional.
16:01 mtompset are the two datapaginator ones in k-c.org yet?
16:01 mtompset and that reminds me...
16:01 mtompset Template::Plugin::HtmlToText... I think.
16:00 mtompset And the capitalization on that name is wrong, but you get the idea.
16:00 wizzyrea yep
16:00 mtompset (apt-get update;apt-get upgrade...)
15:59 mtompset blah blah blah... you know the drill. :)
15:59 mtompset do the wget for the key.
15:59 mtompset go there... add the squeeze-dev.
15:58 wahanui packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
15:58 mtompset packages?
15:58 wizzyrea ah so
15:58 jcamins ^^ that one
15:58 mtompset doesn't exist in Ubuntu.
15:58 mtompset template::plugin::htmltotext
15:58 jcamins wizzyrea: you'll still need debian.k-c.org for dependencies.
15:58 wizzyrea I was looking at dependencies and stuffs
15:58 wizzyrea not packagess
15:58 wizzyrea naw it's a dev install
15:57 jcamins I'm not sure they do, actually.
15:57 mtompset Which reminds me...
15:57 mtompset Which hasn't made it into the wiki yet.
15:57 mtompset you probably want to make sure you have the k-c.org repo added.
15:57 wizzyrea looks happy though
15:57 wizzyrea it's 12.04
15:56 wizzyrea wanted to know if there were any things I should be aware of
15:56 wizzyrea no, because I was updating my dev install on my laptop and
15:56 wizzyrea sekkrits ;)
15:56 wizzyrea the logo is included in the tm I believe
15:56 mtompset wizzyrea: why were you looking for koha on ubuntu?
15:54 oleonard The name, yes, but the logo too?
15:54 oleonard So wait, who says PTFS has a trademark on the Koha logo?
15:53 jcamins :)
15:53 wahanui yw
15:53 jcamins thx wahanui?
15:53 jcamins thx wahanui is <reply> yw
15:53 wizzyrea thx wahanui
15:53 wahanui well, koha on ubuntu is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Ubuntu
15:53 wizzyrea koha on ubuntu?
15:45 * mtompset waits for the tables to all get imported.
15:45 kf bye all, have a nice weekend ! :)
15:40 mtompset okay... running the SQL script now. :)
15:40 * mtompset high fives eythian.
15:37 eythian leave it for tomorrow, eh?
15:29 * jcamins won't be rewriting the cataloguing module just now.
15:29 * mtompset grins, "Another sub-project."
15:28 wahanui it has been said that jcamins is A-Grade developper on Koha willing to rewrite it from top to bottom. Good Luck jcamins
15:28 mtompset jcamins?
15:27 jcamins mtompset: I'm not saying I can't use it, I'm saying it's awful.
15:27 mtompset But, jcamins, you are the hemi-semi-demi cataloguing deity. ;)
15:27 jcamins I keep on hoping it'll be less unpleasant one day, but I don't see it.
15:27 jcamins You know, the cataloguing module is still painful to use.
15:25 rambutan I'm sure they would need tech support for those trips
15:25 jcamins A bit of a schlep.
15:25 jcamins Hehe.
15:25 rambutan yea, maybe we could service Canada?
15:25 mtompset drive your bookmobile outside of the US? I really don't know a solution.
15:23 rambutan mtompset: to promote Koha. Evangelism.
15:22 rambutan well, sometime the problem is going to have to be resolved
15:22 rambutan I don't know the solution for sure, but if we have to rename "Koha" to "Tinkerbell" and start all over with a clear statement of licensing,
15:22 mtompset Yes, but your bookmobile isn't an installation of Koha, so why would you want to paint the logo on it?
15:21 rambutan this is a community problem.
15:21 rambutan I had wanted to paint the logo on our upcoming bookmobile, but we can't because of the trademark
15:20 rambutan the problem is that PTFS owns the Koha logo trademark/copyright in the US
15:20 rambutan OK, I've got vinegar in my system so....
15:19 wizzyrea the problem could have been fixed many times over.
15:19 wizzyrea yea, it's not up to the community to fix the problem.
15:16 rambutan [off] problem with Koha and logo trademark/copyright
15:15 wahanui it has been said that problem is its human beings doing it
15:15 jcamins What problem?
15:15 rambutan The community really really needs to fix this problem.
15:15 rambutan daem, I'm dealing with the logo issue right now myself. I could have had some input
15:09 jcamins You too.
15:09 Woody Anyways time to load up GIMP and get to work. Have a great weekend everyone
15:08 jcamins :)
15:08 Woody Once it's complete perhaps I'll stop by again to drop off the link
15:08 jcamins I'd be interested to see your OPAC design once you've finished it.
15:07 Woody haha deal
15:07 jcamins Oh, one thing you shouldn't do with the logo: choose ugly colors! ;)
15:07 Woody No problem. Thanks for all your help :-)
15:07 mtompset Thanks for using Koha. :)
15:07 jcamins Makes sense.
15:07 Woody Whelp, I'll try it out, and if I hear of any complaints I'll just switch it back.
15:07 jcamins Also purple in some places.
15:06 mtompset Not to mention... it is green in other places.
15:06 Woody Makes sense.
15:06 jcamins I think you just can't use the logo for something other than Koha.
15:06 Woody the GPL is a bit vague on modifying trademarked logos.
15:06 jcamins :)
15:06 jcamins Hehe. I thought it was a refresh when trying to get to a different page.
15:06 eythian <jcamins> Woody: as far as I know you can change the color to anything you want.
15:05 mtompset jcamins commented further.
15:05 Woody awesome. Firefox just quit on me. Anyone post an answer in the 30 seconds I was gone?
15:05 * mtompset grins.
15:05 jcamins Whoops. Someone hit refresh.
15:04 jcamins Woody: as far as I know you can change the color to anything you want.
15:04 mtompset I don't know.
15:04 mtompset Isn't it all released under GPL? I would think colour changes would be okay.
15:04 Woody or must it stay black?
15:03 Woody haha I wish. But for serious, I'm using the Koha logo on a public library website, am I allowed to change the colour of the logo to better match our website's theme?
15:03 wahanui my pleasure jcamins
15:03 jcamins Thanks, wahanui.
15:03 * mtompset laughs, "Silly bot!"
15:03 wahanui i guess the answer is always go back to sleep or 42
15:03 jcamins What's the answer?
15:03 wahanui the question is, like, "What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?"
15:03 mtompset What's the question?
15:03 mtompset Maybe. :)
15:02 Woody quick question for someone in regards to the Koha logo
15:02 jcamins Yup.
15:01 mtompset as the repo, so I'm assuming it will be 3.8.x
15:01 mtompset I set up squeeze.
15:01 mtompset Yes, there were over 200+ things to install.
15:01 eythian yeah, there's only about 3 or 4 other things in there anyway
15:01 jcamins Are you installing 3.6.x or 3.8.x?
15:01 eythian oh right
15:01 jcamins mtompset: that sounds about right.
15:01 jcamins eythian: from the k-c.org repo, not in general.
15:01 mtompset This is a fresh VM.
15:01 mtompset No install.
15:00 mtompset Nope...
15:00 eythian normally it's more like 100+
15:00 eythian not surprising if you already had an isntall on that box
15:00 mtompset interestingly enough only 3 things installed from the debian.koha-community.org when I was doing the apt-get install koha-common.
14:59 jcamins mtompset: that is correct.
14:59 jcamins Though, really the way they ensure you don't hoist yourself on your own petard makes packages worthwhile in my eyes.
14:59 mtompset I'm assuming koha-mysql is any time after the koha-create?
14:58 mtompset But I want to get a package install done first.
14:58 mtompset Thanks for the tip.
14:58 mtompset eythian++
14:58 jcamins Yeah, koha-mysql is pretty awesome.
14:57 eythian you won't when you discover "koha-mysql"
14:57 mtompset okay... since the passwd thing failed to work for me... gone..
14:55 mtompset Don't look at me... I'm liking tarballs. ;)
14:54 eythian it really needs to be made more robust
14:54 mtompset so I had to kill the daemon manually, and delete the user.
14:54 mtompset I did a koha-remove... and it failed.
14:54 mtompset Yes, it got confused.
14:53 eythian ah
14:53 mtompset Oops... I meant use;
14:53 eythian oh duh :)
14:53 mtompset No those are prompts.
14:53 eythian also your user is in the wrong place
14:53 eythian mtompset: I wouldn't, your < is the wrong way around
14:53 eythian jcamins: shortcut for source
14:53 mtompset I'll probably... mysql -u ... -p .... > user koha_...; > source db.sql;
14:53 eythian mtompset: yes. 'sudo /etc/init.d/koha-common stop' kills it (though maybe it gets confused if something failed.)
14:50 jcamins '\.' ?
14:50 mtompset the koha-zebra-daemon was running as the user I couldn't delete.
14:50 eythian '\.' is probably safter though
14:49 jcamins You could also use SOURCE, of course.
14:49 jcamins Uhhh... I generally just use mysql < filename.sql
14:49 eythian you want: mysql -u ..... -p < file.sql
14:48 mtompset is import the correct SQL command, jcamins?
14:46 mtompset true
14:46 eythian (especially if you want to be changing db names or something)
14:46 mtompset True...
14:45 eythian it's also a billion times easier to restore.
14:45 jcamins And oh-so-much-more dangerous. :)
14:45 mtompset -a is shorter than a db name. :P
14:45 eythian isn't it easier to just dump one?
14:45 mtompset And... if I dump just the one DB... it should be simple enough.
14:44 mtompset if you have to edit a file, the install is too complex. :)
14:44 mtompset no file editing.
14:44 mtompset actually, the build step in the tarball is what sets it.
14:43 mtompset Though, we decided to got with lzma's, not gz's. :)
14:43 jcamins Plus, it's not like you can't just set the db/user/password to whatever you want by editing the koha-conf.xml file, same as you do with a tarball install.
14:43 mtompset I was trying to be lazy and not have to dump just one db for this process... reuse is good sometimes. :)
14:42 jcamins That's my feeling, anyway.
14:42 jcamins Sure, it's fine for a backup, but don't use it for anything less than a full restore.
14:41 mtompset I was already doing that for full backup purposes.
14:41 jcamins You're bringing along cruft and baggage from an old system.
14:41 jcamins At least, that's how I see it.
14:40 * jcamins doesn't buy it. Dumping all your databases is just plain a bad idea.
14:39 mtompset anything to git or tarball installs seem much easier than anything to package installs. In the former, a full dump will work. In the latter, you must trim it to just the koha database.
14:37 eythian it would create a default user, yeah
14:36 mtompset but then the script would set up the kohauser and such on the default.sql.gz file
14:35 eythian (unless you provide the default.sql.gz file)
14:35 jcamins mtompset: yes, same as the tarball.
14:35 eythian it has to
14:35 eythian yeah
14:35 mtompset the packages install leaves the koha instance database empty until you do a web install?
14:33 mtompset I will also help me tweak the Koha on Ubuntu wiki page to better reflect problems. And to warn people, "Don't follow this if you are doing a packages install!"
14:31 mtompset I want to understand the differences in install types.
14:31 mtompset This is why I'm trying a packages install.
14:29 * wizzyrea waves
14:28 jcamins Right. If nothing else, crontabs will be different. As we saw on the mailing list, this can cause no end of confusion when you try to "fix" it.
14:27 mtompset So... off to trim mysqldump to just one DB.
14:27 mtompset And clearly I can't expect.
14:26 jcamins It makes you expect that other settings are going to be exactly the same.
14:26 jcamins Other than a full backup, I don't think there is any reason to dump all your databases, including mysql.
14:25 mtompset -- that came out wrong.
14:25 jcamins Import file.sql into koha_mylibrary.
14:25 mtompset Yes... I'll have to limit my dump.
14:25 jcamins koha-create --create-db mylibrary
14:25 mtompset It must not be easy.
14:25 jcamins mysqldump kohadb > file.sql
14:24 mtompset I'm failing.
14:24 jcamins Right, that's very easy.
14:24 mtompset and get it into a koha-common install.
14:24 mtompset Trying to take data from production tarball install...
14:24 mtompset Not trying to clone.
14:24 jcamins If you are trying to clone an entire system, you should just use some sort of system imaging software.
14:24 mtompset jcamins, I figured that much out.
14:23 jcamins If you are transferring Koha, just use the DB.
14:23 jcamins mtompset: I'm not sure what you're doing, but that's not the right way to do it.
14:23 eythian just dump the koha db you want
14:23 eythian then don't do that.
14:23 mtompset (hence mysql, etc.)
14:23 mtompset they do if they are just a dump of every DB.
14:23 eythian db dumps don't have passwords
14:23 mtompset It won't match the db dump's password.
14:22 jcamins Which will be random, as it should be.
14:22 jcamins mtompset: what do you mean? koha-create creates the password.
14:22 eythian mtompset: it makes a password
14:22 eythian sudo /etc/init.d/koha-common stop will stop its processes
14:22 jcamins I would agree with eythian.
14:22 mtompset But then the password won't match.
14:22 eythian I still think you're better off just loading a db dump into the database.
14:22 mtompset it says it's logged in.
14:22 jcamins Why can't you delete the user?
14:21 mtompset I suppose I really like tarballs right about now. :)
14:20 mtompset Yes, I filled it out, and it didn't work as I expected.
14:20 jcamins Hey, the passwd file allows you to specify a database, too. I forgot about that because I don't use it.
14:19 mtompset and now I have a user I can't delete.
14:19 mtompset created it like I told it nothing.
14:19 jcamins What did it do?
14:19 mtompset It didn't.
14:19 jcamins That's how it works for me.
14:19 jcamins Okay, that's a reasonable expectation.
14:18 mtompset I was it expect it to read the passwd file for the information.
14:18 jcamins (warning: the issue is probably with A)
14:17 jcamins A) what were you expecting, and B) what did it do?
14:16 mtompset Nope... not what I expected...
14:14 mtompset Let's see what it did...
14:14 mtompset dropped the --database, koha-create worked.
14:14 jcamins Oh, that should work fine, then. I use a koha.passwd file.
14:14 * magnuse wanders off into the deep woods
14:13 mtompset I'm assuming it is the format mentioned on the wiki page.
14:13 mtompset Yes, but I created the file.
14:13 eythian oh, yeah.
14:13 jcamins eythian: that still requires a file. You can't just add extra parameters.
14:13 mtompset koha-create doesn't recognize --database even though the man page has it.
14:12 eythian jcamins: with --passwdfile
14:12 jcamins Yes, but not on the command line.
14:12 mtompset passwdfile
14:12 jcamins --database is valid, but I don't see any way to specify username/password.
14:12 mtompset so then I did a koha-remove <first item>
14:11 eythian hwoever, --database should work I think
14:11 eythian (as in, without option names)
14:11 mtompset that's what I did the first time.
14:11 eythian I was imagining that you just chucked them on to the end
14:11 eythian oh right, I forgot about those.
14:10 mtompset Hmmm... man page says --database is a valid parameter.
14:08 eythian koha-create doesn't understand extra paremeters
14:08 eythian mtompset: you can't do that like that
14:08 mtompset because I wanted to match the user name, db name, and password to the exist DB that I have.
14:08 jcamins mtompset: why did you have an extra parameter?
14:07 mtompset koha-create didn't catch that I had an extra parameter. DOH!
14:05 wahanui jcamins: i'm not following you...
14:05 jcamins wahanui: good, this time.
14:04 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
14:04 jcamins Interesting.
14:02 oleonard jcamins: See also http://css-tricks.com/return-false-and-prevent-default/ if you want to go deeper
14:01 mtompset Here goes nothing.
14:01 mtompset So run the koha-create before I even try to get the DB in... okay.
14:00 jcamins joubu++ # I didn't realize you could prevent links from causing the page to scroll to the top
14:00 jcamins Ooh.
14:00 eythian mtompset: also, just import the db dump after you've set things up. It'll ensure everything is nice and consistent.
13:59 eythian mtompset: you make one up
13:59 jcamins mtompset: no, you have to choose one.
13:58 mtompset I noticed the page doesn't specify the instance name for the koha-create. Will koha-create prompt for one?
13:57 mtompset I've got a 3.6.3 db that I want to import.
13:55 mtompset Or doing data entry.
13:55 mtompset Importing MARC data.
13:55 mtompset But most of the time, you are starting from scratch.
13:53 eythian It needs to be a bit less prominent, that mention of the passwd file. It's not really used most of the time.
13:53 mtompset Well, it seems like a good time to test it then. ;)
13:53 eythian yeah, I think. I've never used that file.
13:52 mtompset unless otherwise specified in the /etc/koha/passwd file?
13:50 eythian it does, in the sense that the dbname is derived from it
13:48 mtompset it has no relation to the dbname?
13:48 eythian mtompset: instance name is the name of your library, or whatever
13:47 mtompset or does instance name = db name?
13:47 mtompset Do I even know an instance name before I run koha-create?
13:46 huginn kf: Quote #37: "< nelsonf> I'm pretty sure I deleted this one in the name of being thorough..." (added by chris at 11:27 PM, October 04, 2009)
13:46 kf @quote random
13:46 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn.
13:46 huginn kf: Quote #118: "wizzyrea: lavamind is erupting patches all over us!" (added by druthb at 09:39 PM, January 25, 2011)
13:46 kf @quote random
13:45 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #20: "<wizzyrea> you will see no wedgie-ing from me" (added by jdavidb at 03:50 PM, July 31, 2009)
13:45 gmcharlt @quote random
13:44 eythian either works, probably delete line
13:43 mtompset empty string, or delete line?
13:43 eythian yeah, just if you want it
13:43 mtompset Okay... so then I shouldn't have a default.sql.gz... okay
13:42 eythian yeah
13:41 mtompset Initial dummy data.
13:41 mtompset Ah.
13:41 eythian default.sql.gz is intended if you have a template you like to include on all your initial instances.
13:40 mtompset how does that relate to the default.sql.gz?
13:40 eythian it's pretty easy
13:40 eythian just import the dump, I mean
13:40 mtompset Then how would I get the data in?
13:40 eythian or, setting everything up and having the packages set up the db then importing the content into it
13:40 mtompset oh?
13:40 eythian I recommend not doing that
13:39 mtompset From our existing system.
13:39 mtompset I now have a DB which I want to use.
13:39 mtompset I edit'd the file with .localdomain as suggested.
13:39 mtompset I've got the koha-common installed
13:38 mtompset Anyways... okay, I'm a little stuck now.
13:38 mtompset At least under Ubuntu.
13:35 eythian hmm, I've not noticed that
13:34 mtompset yes, but if I apt-get update and apt-get upgrade... the kernel is typically held back.
13:31 eythian and trhen when it makes everything installed, it does updates at the same time
13:31 eythian Well, presumably part of the process triggers an apt update
13:28 mtompset what IS triggering.
13:28 mtompset But seeing as the kernel is NOT listed in the install set, I don't know what it triggering it to show up in the list of things to install.
13:27 eythian But I can't see it forcing the kernel devs to sit down and make a new one for you just to install koha with :)
13:27 mtompset right.
13:27 eythian Well, if you have apt stuff happening, and a kernel update is available I could see it prompting you.
13:26 mtompset that may give you clues why. I haven't had time to make sense of it.
13:26 mtompset take a look at install_misc/ubuntu.12.04.packages
13:26 mtompset when you do the build from the tarball, it triggers some package somewhere that triggers a kernel upgrade.
13:25 mtompset dselect may.
13:25 eythian the tarball doesn't even know what apt or a kernel is
13:25 eythian but it can't
13:24 mtompset I haven't tried to figure out why, but it does.
13:24 eythian how would the tarball do that?
13:23 eythian what?
13:23 mtompset because the tarball did?
13:23 eythian ...why would it?
13:22 mtompset Interesting... the koha-common didn't force a kernel upgrade on me. :)
13:14 mtompset I'm tinkering with a koha-common install. What are you up to today?
13:11 tcohen hi mtompset
13:11 mtompset Good day, tcohen.
13:10 mtompset I really dislike that... So slow. :)
13:10 mtompset NOOOOOO! Not triggers for man-db!
13:09 eythian Sorta :)
13:09 mtompset so it's your own fault? ;)
13:09 eythian (that I'd fixed, but that caused the encoding to get confused)
13:08 eythian turns out to be actual bad data from a strange earlier incarnation of the database
13:08 magnuse yay
13:08 eythian fixed the double encoding problem
13:08 eythian pinning is more about picking newer versions of things from one repo without taking everything
13:07 mtompset https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto the Apt/Dpkg method is a different syntax to what you linked to, but the same thing generally.
13:05 eythian (also, I think pinning is the wrong term actually)
13:05 eythian http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkg_basics.en.html <-- mtompset, 7.12. I use the first method
13:04 magnuse *koha-conf.xml
13:04 magnuse hm, on 3.8.3 when memcached is activated it's supposed to re-read koha-con.xml every 10 minutes or something, right?
13:02 mtompset pin it?
13:02 * oleonard waves
13:01 kf oleonard++
13:01 eythian although, it's better to pin it
13:01 eythian yeah
12:59 mtompset since koha-common comes from k-c.org, if I disable that repo, I could do sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade without actually triggering a koha upgrade, correct?
12:57 mtompset That would be a good enhancement.
12:56 eythian yeah, sorta. One of these days I'm going to have it ask questions on installation to pre-populate that.
12:55 mtompset which is why you need to edit the koha-sites.conf, because the pre-built version reads that to set things up.
12:54 eythian like all packages
12:54 eythian right
12:54 mtompset Because it is pre-built.
12:53 mtompset So, this install won't have any directory from which to build.
12:53 eythian yeah, that happens on my machine, not on yours
12:52 mtompset perl Makefile.PL; make; make test; sudo make install
12:51 eythian what do you mean by builld. because I think it's different to what I mean
12:50 mtompset Ooooh! configuration step of package does the build.
12:50 eythian build all happens when the packages are created
12:49 eythian no
12:49 mtompset Or is there still a build step?
12:49 eythian yeah
12:48 mtompset So, does an upgrade simply become a matter of sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade for future installs?
12:47 mtompset Okay, that may come in handy.
12:47 eythian dpkg -L koha-common will give you all the details
12:47 eythian it does, when the packages are built
12:47 eythian but mostly under /usr/share/koha
12:47 mtompset I'm assuming the koha-common has no perl Makefile.PL step?
12:46 eythian it varies
12:46 mtompset So... back to my long question... where are the files after an apt-get install koha-common?
12:45 mtompset Sorry I can't help more.
12:45 * mtompset nods.
12:45 eythian well, in production, not in my test env
12:45 eythian yeah
12:44 mtompset Ah... the mysql server is on a different machine?
12:44 eythian no, it's because I'm not a DBA so don't have access to our database server :)
12:43 * mtompset grins.
12:43 * mtompset shrugs, "That's Debian for ya."
12:42 eythian hmm, setting the client details doesn't work on my setup (and I can't modify the server details)
12:42 mtompset (both are similar... a directory name I choose)
12:42 mtompset When I do a git install... I know where the files are...
12:42 mtompset When I do a tarball install... I know where the files are.
12:34 mtompset totally messes up the collation.
12:34 mtompset The client-handshake...
12:34 mtompset That's why I wrote that messy long section.
12:33 mtompset http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Ubuntu#MySQL
12:33 mtompset Oh... that's the other thing...
12:33 eythian my tables are all CHARSET=utf8 however.
12:32 eythian nothing obvious in there
12:31 mtompset That's where I'd go first.
12:30 mtompset the my.cnf
12:30 eythian I wonder what's changed...
12:30 eythian yeah, I have a lot of latin1 in there
12:30 mtompset That's wrong!
12:30 eythian how odd
12:30 eythian | collation_server | latin1_swedish_ci |
12:30 eythian | collation_database | latin1_swedish_ci |
12:30 eythian | collation_connection | latin1_swedish_ci |
12:29 eythian oh ah
12:29 mtompset not SELECT.
12:29 eythian :)
12:29 eythian ERROR 1054 (42S22): Unknown column 'variables' in 'field list'
12:29 mtompset SHOW
12:29 eythian > SELECT variables LIKE "%colla%";
12:29 mtompset OOPS...
12:28 mtompset It's valid MySQL.
12:28 mtompset what do you mean it isn't valid SQL.
12:26 mtompset (add to it)
12:26 mtompset Well, if I have problems... I'm going to flush it out.
12:26 eythian mtompset: itk allows for processes to change their user id
12:26 mtompset what's the difference between apache2-mpm-worker and apache2-mpm-itk?
12:26 eythian mtompset: at the moment, the packages wiki page is more a reference than a guide.
12:26 eythian mtompset: that's not valid SQL, so it looks like an error :)
12:22 mtompset I'm hoping this package install goes well... I already fear there are gaps in the wiki page.
12:14 * mtompset grins.
12:11 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @paul_poulain: "@jransom just FYI= hacking #kohails now, not watching TV. Just following news from website from time to time ;-) #vacationNotYetButIn4Hours"
11:56 mtompset My brain wasn't working that day. Forgot to look for a koha-docs mailing list, or your email on bug reports or other messages in other groups.
11:55 mtompset I apologize... it was FB.
11:55 nengard mtompset I don't think I did ? was it here? or email? I didn't check my email yet :)
11:53 mtompset There... Koha 3.2 and 3.4 now redirect to 3.8
11:51 mtompset or two...
11:49 mtompset Which reminds me... I need to fix another double redirection.
11:44 mtompset Did you get my message from the other day about Appendix G?
11:44 nengard it's just me
11:44 nengard nope, i'm done training
11:44 nengard hello all
11:43 kf mtompset: hm maybe, but jcamins dev comes with unit tests too :)
11:42 mtompset Do you come with catalogers? :)
11:42 mtompset Greetings, nengard.
11:40 mtompset Is there a way to WWW::Mechanize the test plan? ;)
11:33 jcamins I do. :)
11:31 kf jcamins: do you approve of my notes and test plan?
11:31 kf jcamins: I did :)
11:23 mtompset double redirections don't work.
11:23 mtompset There... fixed it to redirect properly.
11:21 wahanui packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
11:21 mtompset packages?
11:20 mtompset Tonight's challenge... a package install under Ubuntu. :)
11:20 mtompset Greetings, jcamins.
11:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8209 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , "Did you mean?" suggestions based on authorities
11:16 jcamins kf: glad to see you approved of bug 8209.
11:16 jcamins o/
11:13 kf encoding problems on a friday afternoon?
10:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8385 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , searchengine/solr/indexes.tt fails 'prove ./xt/tt_valid.t' test
10:58 jenkins_koha jonathan.druart: Bug 8385: Dirty patch to make tt_valid.t happy
10:58 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #800: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 4 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/800/
10:55 mtompset And what SELECT variables LIKE "%char%"; looks like.
10:55 mtompset I wonder what SELECT variables LIKE "%colla%"; looks like.
10:54 mtompset Nasty.
10:54 mtompset double encoding thing?
10:37 eythian I wonder why it's showing up for us then...
10:37 eythian hmm
10:36 magnuse eythian: a couple of searches for common norwegian words with "norwegian" letters in them does not reveal any problems, but it might be better hidden...
10:31 eythian It's the second person who's reported this
10:29 eythian results too
10:28 magnuse is it only on the detail display, or in result lists too?
10:28 magnuse i have not seen it, but i have not looked for it either...
10:27 magnuse ah
10:25 eythian it's correct in the database
10:24 eythian http://imgur.com/2duaq <-- magnuse, this
10:22 magnuse eythian: what strange behaviour are you seeing?
09:55 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8385: Dirty patch to make tt_valid.t happy <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a281ac8df55032c7849aba711b961c19fe534306>
09:54 jenkins_koha Starting build #800 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 29 days ago)
09:52 eythian it's doing that double-enconding thing sometimes.
09:52 eythian Anyone had Koha 3.8.3 behaving strange with diacritics/smart quotes?
09:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6448 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , EAN-13 barcode support
09:49 paul_p there should be only 1 remaining jenkins complain, see bug 6448
09:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8567 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Set output directory for fines.pl in cron config created by the packages
09:37 magnuse bug 8567
09:36 eythian everyone expects it to be the number of results you get if you click the tag, which it isn't.
09:35 eythian )
09:35 eythian (unless you know what weight is etc.
09:35 eythian and the weight number is confusing because it's not really meaningful
09:35 magnuse oh, ok
09:35 eythian no, it's displaying the weight number in the search results
09:35 magnuse yeah, you are being a little more specific than me
09:34 magnuse ah, it's for the tag cloud?
09:34 eythian (I think exactly the same as what you said really)
09:34 eythian that's what I wanted :)
09:34 eythian }
09:34 eythian display: none;
09:34 eythian div.results_summary span.weight {
09:32 eythian maybe, that's why I'm asking :)
09:32 magnuse isn't that just ".results_summary .weight {}"?
09:31 eythian (and why do people call things dumb names like "weight" that could well be duplicated elsewhere)
09:30 eythian ?
09:30 eythian anyone good at CSS, I want to change an attribute on a span with class name "weight" inside a div with class "results_summary" ... how can I specify that>
09:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8566 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Enable koha-foreach to insert the instancename into commands
09:27 magnuse bug 8566
09:26 magnuse i was hoping to lure you into a commitment here ;-)
09:26 magnuse hehe
09:25 eythian It'll get looked at some time in the next few years perhaps ;)
09:24 eythian Just leave it as default
09:21 magnuse want to be the assignee? i won't have time to look at it for a while
09:21 eythian go for it
09:21 magnuse eythian: i can report bugs for this, if you don't mind?
09:16 magnuse yeah, that would be very cool! (and useful)
09:16 eythian however, having koha-foreach do a search-replace on the command line may be a good idea anyway
09:15 eythian OK. Sounds like --out is what we need then. The catch is that the cronjob doesn't know the instancename it's working on :)
09:14 magnuse without --out, the location is determined by File::Spec->tmpdir
09:13 eythian that's a good idea
09:13 magnuse there is an --out option to fines.pl, so we could set that when the packages set up the cronjobs, perhaps
09:13 eythian having a logbase in koha-conf.xml or some such would help that.
09:12 eythian it's a log, if it wants to be logging it should go in /var/log/koha/_instancename_
09:11 magnuse but fines should probably write to something like /var/spool/koha ?
09:11 magnuse mystery solved :-)
09:11 eythian makes sense
09:11 eythian ah right
09:11 magnuse and the reason i was just seeing a couple of days worth of log files is that i rebooted the server a couple days ago
09:10 magnuse i think i had fines.pl commented out in /etc/cron.daily/koha-common but that got overwritten when i upgraded to 3.8.3
09:10 magnuse and i don't think it had anything to do with memcached
09:09 magnuse eythian: yup: my $name = C4::Context->config('database');
09:08 eythian suppose it could be the database name or something...
09:08 eythian magnuse: how does it work out the instance name?
09:06 magnuse yay
09:01 paul_p for now, trying to do something that will please jenkins !!
09:01 paul_p mtompset = 6 hours before escaping ;-)
09:01 magnuse /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/fines.pl seems to be the culprit
08:56 magnuse but a log of fines/overdues makes total sense
08:56 magnuse hm, i somehow got the impression it was stuff being returned
08:56 magnuse ah yes, that could be
08:55 eythian the header is: cardnumber categorycode surname firstname email phone address citystate itemnumber barcode date_due type days_overdue fine
08:55 eythian magnuse: I think it's fine-related
08:55 magnuse and a quick check seems to indicate that the info in the files is not available in the log viewer in the staff client
08:54 magnuse yeah
08:50 eythian logs in /tmp is a terrible idea anyway.
08:48 magnuse yeah, might be independent of memcached, it just started happening at about the same time i turned memcahed on
08:47 magnuse sure wahanui
08:46 wahanui i think interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
08:46 magnuse hm, interesting
08:46 eythian magnuse: I've seen that (I think even without memcached, I think.) Don;t know what causes it though.
08:45 magnuse eythian: any idea why i'm getting logs of circ events in per-day log files in /tmp after i turned on memcached? the filenames look like koha_esme_2012-08-03.log, so they reflect the names of the koha instances i have created with the packages
08:44 magnuse well they have a http://paper.li/ thing that picks up stuff from/about koha on twitter :-)
08:43 eythian why are they sending stuff to/about Koha?
08:43 magnuse mikromarc is a norwegian proprietary ils :-)
08:43 magnuse hehe, that always cracks me up
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08:39 mtompset How many hours till you "escape"? ;)
07:39 magnuse woohoo :-)
07:39 paul_p hi magnuse. Yep, last day before vacations :D :D
07:38 magnuse last day before holiday?
07:38 magnuse bonjour paul_p
07:32 paul_p hello #koha
07:28 magnuse and why am i not seeing any effect of <template_cache_dir>/tmp/koha/sksk</template_cache_dir>?
07:27 magnuse huh, why am i getting logs of circ events in per-day log files in /tmp after i turned on memcached?
07:14 magnuse bonjour
07:14 gaetan_B hello :)
07:02 mtompset mtj makes me have to type mtj. It's horrible the lack of autocomplete. :)
06:49 cait ok, bbl :)
06:45 emagnus yay
06:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8209 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , "Did you mean?" suggestions based on authorities
06:45 cait testing awesome bug 8209
06:44 cait :)
06:44 cait silly
06:44 cait hee
06:41 magnuse sorry about that ;-)
06:35 cait lots of m* here... my autocomplete fails more and more :)
06:34 cait hi magnuse and mbalmer :)
06:30 mbalmer morning
06:29 mtompset Greetings, mbalmer and magnuse
06:28 * magnuse waves
05:43 cait was too slow
05:43 mtompset So no one was able to respond to sdawa?
05:42 francharb hello mtompset
05:42 cait hi mtompset
05:42 mtompset Greetings, cait, mtj, and francharb.
05:29 francharb Good morning #Koha
05:21 sdawa here to seek help and support
05:20 sdawa i am library assistant from Bhutan
05:20 sdawa hi
04:16 cait hi mtj :)
04:16 mtj heya cait
04:13 cait hi #koha
04:12 mtj ... and a script looking for hardcoded 'style' elements, would be revealing too
04:10 mtj Shane-S: yeah, thats a no-no, thats waiting to be fixed
04:10 Shane-S well I am off to bed, hopefully I will have time to patch some CSS stuff
04:08 * mtompset likes the sounds of this conversation, because it implies that a newer version of Koha will be better CSS-able. :)
04:07 Shane-S it has an ID, but it was hard coded in the element's style="" tag, which is the top level or I should say it over rides the style sheet
04:01 mtj ... and perhaps, script a way to generate id's for them
04:01 mtj could be a nice toy-project to identify which elements are missing id's
04:00 mtj cool, yeah - the plan is for every element to have a 'id' value
03:59 Shane-S I will write myself a note to consider submitting a patch at some point
03:59 Shane-S I took the size % out and put in #transl1{} in my CSS file to allow me to alter it.
03:58 Shane-S mtj: I found it, it is hard coded in masthead.inc
03:45 Space_Librarian toodle pip all - have a lovely weekend. :)
03:44 mtj Shane-S: opac.css is a great place to start...
03:39 Shane-S Anyone around that would know where the OPAC search box code can be found it's size in the element "style" tag so I can't affect it via CSS
03:21 Brooke o/
03:05 mtompset translate google failed to recognize romanized transliterations.
03:04 mtompset Though, why wasn't it cyrillic? Привет
03:02 mtompset Actually, if you thought it was a foreign language, http://translate.google.com/ would be a better place to start.
02:41 Space_Librarian no, because Google knows all. *rolls eyes*
02:40 jransom oh well it can't exist then
02:40 ala_3v0 can attributes and identifiers be restricted to certain staffs?
02:40 Space_Librarian yet, it's not in google's top 25 results. :p lol
02:39 jransom well there you go!
02:39 rangi means hello
02:38 rangi its russian
02:38 jransom some pom I bet
02:38 jransom privet ....
02:38 Brooke roflmao
02:38 Space_Librarian Who has been teaching wahanui about weeds?
02:37 jransom just as ai thought
02:37 Space_Librarian lol
02:37 jransom lol
02:37 wahanui jransom: bugger all, i dunno
02:37 jransom Wahanui what does provet mean?
02:37 jransom what does privet mean wahanui?
02:37 wahanui privet, jransom
02:37 jransom hola
02:36 Brooke o/
02:34 ala_3v0 can that be restricted to certain staffs
02:33 ala_3v0 I'm trying to add attributes and identifiers.
02:29 Brooke I've been following the scores, though
02:29 Brooke they do not show the freggin fencing over here >:(
02:24 mtompset Greetings, ibeardslee
02:21 ibeardslee Brooke: been watching the fencing?
02:19 mtompset Now have the conversation in Klingon. ;)
02:18 * Brooke settles in.
02:17 Space_Librarian Eadem fabula...
02:15 Brooke Salve quid agis?
02:15 Space_Librarian mtompset, it's a long story.
02:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8517 enhancement, P3, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Script to automatically generate package lists
02:15 mtompset bug 8517
02:14 mtompset which space?
02:14 mtompset Greetings, Space_Librarian
02:14 Space_Librarian Ave! :)
02:12 * Brooke nods.
02:12 mtompset More Ubuntu support in our organization than Debian.
02:12 mtompset Chosen for organizational reasons.
02:11 mtompset No, Ubuntu.
02:11 Brooke is debian your OS?
02:10 mtompset I'm familiar with the tarball method. I have done a git install. Need to do a packages install to make sure I understand all three methods.
02:10 Brooke :)
02:10 mtompset I'll probably attempt a packages install of koha later today.
02:08 Brooke s it?
02:08 Brooke how
02:08 mtompset Greetings, Brooke
02:07 mtompset Why don't I believe you? :)
02:07 * Brooke points to gmcharlt.
02:07 Brooke <.<
02:07 Brooke >.>
02:06 mtompset Who?
02:06 mtompset Who is teaching wahanui Rebecca Black?
02:05 wahanui i think friday is It's Friday, Friday Gotta get down on Friday
02:05 Brooke friday?
02:05 Brooke o/
02:03 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
00:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8455 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Stable , Check ins processed through "Check Out" tab of the Patron Record ignore Circulation System Preferences
00:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8520 critical, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Stable , Authorities display incorrectly in staff results
00:50 jenkins_koha * dcook: Bug 8455 - Check ins processed through "Check Out" tab of the Patron Record ignore Circulation System Preferences
00:50 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8520: fix authority display in staff client
00:50 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #121: SUCCESS in 1 hr 3 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/121/
00:25 Space_Librarian howdy stranger
00:23 rangi hi Space_Librarian
00:23 Space_Librarian o/