IRC log for #koha, 2012-06-19

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02:28 rangi *sigh*
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02:42 ibeardslee rangi: catching back up to the timezone?
02:42 rangi slowly yep
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02:58 Brooke o/
02:59 Space_Librarian o\
02:59 Space_Librarian yes. that is a head being beaten by a baguette.
02:59 Brooke hehehe
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04:09 Oak kia ora #koha
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05:06 Oak good morning Miss Katrin
05:09 cait good morning Mr Arslan
05:15 Oak :)
06:02 ropuch Good morning #koha
06:09 cait hi ropuch :)
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06:24 mbalmer morning
06:25 cait morning
06:26 alex_a bonjour !
06:30 cait bonjour alex_a
06:30 alex_a salut cait :)
06:31 cait :)
06:31 alex_a @wunder marseille
06:32 huginn alex_a: The current temperature in Marseille / Marignane, France is 24.0°C (8:00 AM CEST on June 19, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016 hPa (Rising).
06:32 alex_a fait chaud !
06:33 cait @wunder konstanz
06:33 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 20.3°C (8:30 AM CEST on June 19, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
06:33 alex_a @wunder edimburgh
06:33 huginn alex_a: Error: No such location could be found.
06:34 cait @wunder EDI
06:34 huginn cait: The current temperature in Edinburgh, United Kingdom is 12.8°C (7:29 AM BST on June 19, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
06:34 alex_a EDI ?
06:34 alex_a lol
06:37 cait the airport code :)
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06:40 reiveune hello
06:40 wahanui hey, reiveune
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07:02 gaetan_B hello !
07:06 ropuch @wunder Wroclaw
07:06 huginn ropuch: The current temperature in Wroclaw, Poland is 19.0°C (8:30 AM CEST on June 19, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
07:06 ropuch Liar! ;>
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07:14 * magnuse waves
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07:17 kf good morning #koha
07:17 magnuse kia ora kf
07:20 drojf good morning #koha
07:20 magnuse hiya drojf
07:21 drojf hej magnuse
07:21 drojf moin kf :)
07:21 magnuse drojf: that sounded swedish :-)
07:21 kf god morgen magnuse, guten morgen drojf
07:21 drojf magnuse: yeah. i guess it would be "hei" in norwegian?
07:22 magnuse drojf: correct! ;-)
07:22 magnuse subtle and unimportant differences...
07:22 drojf yeah, jag snakker norsk :D
07:22 drojf its probably jeg though :D
07:22 magnuse s/jag/jeg/
07:22 magnuse yup
07:22 drojf heh
07:23 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
07:23 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 19.1°C (9:13 AM CEST on June 19, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
07:23 magnuse @wunder boo
07:23 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 12.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on June 19, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
07:24 drojf sounds warm for bodø ;)
07:24 magnuse it's ok, could have been warmer at this time of the year
07:26 drojf i have been there two years ago in march and there was a lot of snow
07:26 magnuse yay!
07:26 clrh hello
07:27 magnuse yeah, march is a good month for snow here...
07:27 magnuse bonjour clrh
07:27 ropuch Bodø - I'm pretty sure we pass through it on our way to Narvik
07:27 drojf hi clrh
07:28 * drojf would like a kohacon in the far north
07:29 magnuse ropuch: if you were driving north you wuold have to take a detour from Fauske to get to Bodø
07:29 * magnuse would like that too, some day
07:29 magnuse expensive, though...
07:30 ropuch You mean Nordkapp? ;-)
07:30 drojf not if we hunt and fish ourselves. and make our own alcohol :D
07:30 ropuch magnuse: I'm looking at the map of Norway atm, but I'm not sure relly
07:30 magnuse drojf: yeah, that would help
07:30 ropuch The name does ring a bell though
07:30 magnuse hehe
07:31 ropuch Our routes were strange back there ;>
07:31 magnuse hehe
07:32 ropuch And from all the words I could remember løk and hvitløk are the only ones ;>
07:33 drojf lol
07:33 ropuch Not sure why, iI bet I didn't eat garlic in Norway ;>
07:33 magnuse ropuch: those are certainly important words ;-)
07:33 ropuch hehe
07:34 magnuse why not? if you had pizza for example...
07:34 * magnuse wanders off to breakfast
07:34 ropuch But I remeber searching for "horseraddish" in dictionary as I wanted to explain something to the family we were working for
07:35 ropuch Ok, enough of strange memories
07:35 * ropuch submerges under a pile of books
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07:42 drojf @later tell eythian i got 'WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated" libcgi-session-driver-memcached-perl libgravatar-url-perl koha-common'. Are they signed (with the key
07:42 huginn drojf: The operation succeeded.
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07:57 vfernandes hi guys
08:17 mtj oooh, shiny icons ->
08:24 mtj ... and a 'cc by 3.0' license which i ?think? is compatible with Koha's gpl-2
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08:28 kf hey eythian
08:28 eythian hallo
08:28 kf starting late? ;)
08:28 eythian drojf: hmm, they might not be, I'll have to check that.
08:29 eythian kf: this is early for me :)
08:29 eythian drojf: though, koha-common should be.
08:29 eythian so it might be a problem at your end :)
08:29 eythian what repo distro are you using?
08:30 drojf eythian: i had it on the raspi, but i changed the path there so it may be because of this (no idea). but then i remembered that i had it also in a virtual machine. it was squeeze on both
08:31 eythian hmm OK
08:32 eythian The repo should complain at me if I try to add an unsigned package I think
08:32 drojf changes path =  'deb dists/squeeze/main/binary-i386/' to access the directory directly. that may lead me around the key file, not sure
08:33 eythian it might, I don't know
08:34 drojf but i did not do that on the virtual machine anyway. can i somehow see if i imported the key there?
08:35 eythian apt-key list I think
08:37 drojf i got a key from you there
08:38 drojf if nobody else has this it may just be something on my end, don't know
08:39 eythian Yeah, I dunno. Nobody else has reported it, but that's not really a good test :)
08:39 eythian I haven't noticed it, but my setup is a bit more custom, so I might not.
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08:45 eythian <-- for the people who like this sort of thing, this is the sort of thing they like. Probably most people here.
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09:14 eythian @later tell jcamins re bz8268, we have a patch that does that internally (though everything was hardcoded so it wasn't suitable for upstreaming.)
09:14 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded.
09:16 kf bug 8268
09:16 wahanui bug 8268 is ready for my sign off!
09:16 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8268 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Koha should offer way to backup entire db
09:16 mbalmer 8268 shoud not be signed off.
09:16 mbalmer it is mysql only.
09:17 mbalmer a better should be found to make it portable.
09:17 eythian mbalmer: 8268 should be signed off
09:17 eythian because it's more important to have it then to have it portable.
09:17 eythian *than
09:18 eythian there is no infrastructure for supporting other databases, so it's not possible to implement it generally without doing that.
09:18 mbalmer no, it should be done right.
09:18 mbalmer because it is very easy to do it right.
09:19 eythian no it isn't
09:19 eythian it integrates with the packaging system
09:19 mbalmer you can easily add a switch statement in the backup script
09:19 eythian the packaging system currently expects mysql
09:19 eythian that said, the patch isn't really mysql dependent
09:19 magnuse yeah, we can't reject good functionality because koha might be able to support more databases some time in the future
09:19 eythian the more I look at it
09:20 mbalmer just add a switch around the call of mysqldump.
09:20 mbalmer so pg_dump can be added.
09:20 eythian there is no point putting a switch in when there's nothing to switch on
09:20 magnuse +1
09:20 eythian currently the packages integrated with debian's mysql management, all that would have to be changed anyway
09:20 eythian it's not going to be done for this patch
09:20 mbalmer support postgresql is a goal and it was said that no new mysql only functionality should go in.
09:21 eythian this isn't new mysql only functionality
09:21 eythian the only mention of mysql is where it modifies an already existing command line
09:21 mbalmer so what is the problem with debian packaging?  I could fix that, I guess (I do a lot of debian/ubuntu packaging)
09:22 mbalmer oops, I changed the status, changed it back now
09:22 eythian debian has a lot of nice hooks that make it easy to work with mysql (e.g. creating dbs, users, etc.) we'd need to find/implement the equivalent for pg
09:23 mbalmer ok, mysqldump was there before your patch.  I no longer oppose…  (but will of course come back to this later)
09:24 mbalmer you mean create a DB at install time?  sounds easy.  maybe an additional package for "PostgreSQL in Koha", so that the unaltered PostgreSQL Debian/Ubuntu package stll can be used.
09:25 eythian mbalmer: no, not install time. When you go 'koha-create' it needs to create db, create user, set up permissions, populate.
09:25 eythian None of that should be terrible, but doing it will be a moderate amount of work.
09:25 eythian and right now untestable as koha itself doesn't support pg
09:26 mbalmer sure, but creating the database is the first step to bring pg support.
09:26 mbalmer aka, that is where I will eventually start from, the installer etc.
09:26 eythian the regular installer doesn't create databases...
09:27 mbalmer well, I guess you know what I mean.
09:28 mbalmer currently I am occupied with MARC stuff (with dpavlin}…   so it will take time
09:28 mbalmer the day will come when I can work fulltime on Koha.
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09:33 mbalmer hmm, the database password in plain in a script...
09:40 eythian huh?
09:41 mbalmer if I'm not mistaken, calls mysqldump with the '-p' option, passing the password
09:43 mbalmer to make it worse, the script ist world-readable
09:43 eythian ehm
09:44 eythian oh
09:44 eythian I (the packages) don't use that.
09:44 eythian It should extract it from the config file.
09:45 eythian that's what koha-dump does
09:45 mbalmer yes.
09:46 eythian the problem is, there wasn't really a nice way to extract it from the config file. The packages depend on xmlstarlet to do that, but regular koha doesn't.
09:46 mbalmer well, the file should at least be mode 0600
09:47 mbalmer but that would still the password in the process list.
09:47 * eythian wonders how many koha sites have a world readable koha-conf.xml anyway
09:48 eythian 1468 pts/0    S+     0:00 mysql --host=localhost --user=koha_dev --password=x xxxxxx koha_dev
09:48 eythian no it doesn't
09:48 eythian mysql overwrites it.
09:48 mtj yep, thats the one, eythian ... ;)
09:48 eythian (there is a moment before it doesn't)
09:48 mbalmer exactly.
09:48 eythian a better solution would be to generate a config file.
09:48 eythian patches welcome.
09:49 mbalmer not very secure…
09:49 mbalmer can't mysql take the password from a file?
09:49 mbalmer my.cnf?
09:49 eythian <eythian> a better solution would be to generate a config file.
09:49 mbalmer so you meant the mysql config file, not a config file, yes, makes sense
09:50 mbalmer does Koha uses MySQL stored procedures anywhere?
09:51 eythian well, I'd probably make a temp one, but basically you provide host, user, password, etc. and then specify to use that config for options.
09:51 eythian oh yes, everywhere.
09:51 eythian (I kid)
09:52 mbalmer because if it did, mysqldump needs an option to dump procedures, it normalls does not dump then (surprise, surprise, when you have to rstore…. ;)
09:56 kf no procedures
09:56 mbalmer that's good (for the backup) then
09:56 liw mmm, backups
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10:01 mtj mysqldump -R ?  ->[…]ysqldump_routines
10:02 kf lunch time
10:02 kf bbl
10:02 eythian mtj: yeah
10:02 mtj whew, disaster averted...
10:03 eythian but, given we have no procedures, it doesn't really matter :)
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10:06 Oak Ahoy me hearties
10:06 Oak paul_p++
10:10 eythian hi Oak
10:10 Oak hello eythian :)
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10:13 asaurat anyone has seen how the last master behaves when using the cataloging section (modification of MARC subfields)?
10:13 asaurat the display is broken
10:13 asaurat don't know why yet, if anyone has an idea...
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10:28 magnuse asaurat: could that be Bug 8229?
10:28 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8229 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Tabs in marc subfield structure is not shown correctly
10:30 asaurat yes, thx, didn't find this
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10:46 kf asaurat: there is a patch
10:46 kf asaurat: ah, should scroll down :)
11:09 mbalmer I will be mostly AFK until sunday night (traveling in the Bodensee region)
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11:09 kf ah, visiting Konstanz?
11:09 oleonard Hi #koha
11:10 kf hi oleonard :)
11:10 mbalmer kf, Wil, Rorschach, Romanshron and Friedrichshafen (
11:11 kf ah
11:11 kf wrong side of the lake
11:11 kf fun or work?
11:11 mbalmer actually the german side is nice, because you see the alps.
11:11 mbalmer first work, then fun ;)
11:12 mbalmer I'm the secretary of, so I have to be at our booth there..
11:13 kf ah
11:13 mbalmer Konstanz will be in september, looking forward to that one.
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11:14 kf it's a nice city
11:14 kf but the tourists... ;)
11:14 mbalmer hehe, I will be one of them ;P
11:15 kf eythian: I was in the city on saturday before edinburgh and heard lots of english, it was scary. you will  have no problems at all :)
11:15 eythian heh
11:15 kf and chinese and japanese
11:17 eythian[…]mes/news/7131567/ <-- kf, this reminded me of you
11:18 kf heh
11:18 kf "iwis need to speak slower and cut the slang when talking to migrants, as  the garbled way we communicate is scaring them off community  involvement, "
11:20 kf eythian: I hope 8 weeks of practice will slow you down a bit until you reach Konstanz :)
11:21 eythian kf: I'm in England right now. This isn't a problem I'm having here :)
11:21 kf hmpf.
11:21 * kf can't believe that :)
11:22 mbalmer eythian, joining the BIS congress ???  or "just" visiting kf?
11:22 kf eythian: the comments on the article are not nice :(
11:22 eythian BIS?
11:22 eythian kf: oh, don't read the comments on that site
11:22 eythian it's like youtube
11:22 kf a confrence, but taking place after you have left, in september
11:22 eythian ah right, then no
11:23 mbalmer eythian,
11:23 kf hm no english website - only german and french :)
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11:24 eythian I refuse to attend anything that'll only put its program in PDF format :)
11:24 mbalmer and, worse, no itialian and no roman
11:24 mbalmer (since they target siwss librraries)
11:25 mbalmer eythian, be happy it' not word only...
11:25 eythian heh
11:25 eythian but also, I'd probably struggle with the language. I don't anticipate my French nor German being anything special by that stage.
11:25 jcamins_away eythian: I stole your patch
11:26 eythian jcamins_away: give it back! :)
11:26 mbalmer eythian, besides of that, I doubt it would be very intersting for you, anyways
11:28 kylemhall bug 8267 needs a sign-off. Fixes the borked overdues script.
11:28 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8267 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Overdue notices not working
11:28 jcamins mbalmer: does not actually work. I just made it a little less non-working.
11:34 eythian It does look more like a proof of concept than anything.
11:34 jcamins I figure it's a sample.
11:38 oleonard kf++ # for testing jQueryUI datepickers
11:38 oleonard Thanks kf
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11:56 kf oleonard: you are welcome, I also tried the other - moving js out of translated paths
11:56 kf oleonard: but that is probably broken because of the recent jquery updates
11:56 oleonard Yeah, that's already too out of date :(
11:56 kf perhaps if you tell me next time you have time to work on that
11:56 kf and I test quickly after that
12:02 mtj eythian: kf  ->
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12:34 drojf hi #koha
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13:18 eythian
13:19 oleonard Directed by M. Night Shyamalan
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13:30 jcamins Stovetop cinnamon bread, not as easy as it sounds.
13:31 oleonard You got a bug number for that?
13:31 jcamins Hehe.
13:31 jcamins Bug omnomnom.
13:31 * oleonard rolls eyes and point to the manual entry for stovetop cinnamon bread
13:32 * nengard does not bake or make bread - so none of that can be found in the manual :)
13:33 jcamins nengard: guess it's a documentation bug, then.
13:34 nengard one that only jcamins can fix
13:34 nengard :)
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13:56 oleonard Interesting... Template Toolkit OPAC new in Evergreen 2.2.0.
13:58 kf yeah, the js version was too sloe?
13:58 kf slow
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14:45 reiveune bye
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15:07 kf @wunder Konstant
15:07 huginn kf: Error: No such location could be found.
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15:09 kf @wunder Konstanz
15:09 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 26.9°C (5:05 PM CEST on June 19, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
15:09 neo_ hi
15:09 wahanui hi, neo_
15:11 neo_ wahanui,   search is giving no records ,  i am running
15:11 wahanui ...but search is for the patrons not the librarians...
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15:11 oleonard neo_: wahanui is a bot, not a person
15:11 kf neo_: wahanui is our bot :) don't get confused :)
15:11 kf wahanui?
15:11 wahanui kf?
15:11 kf youß
15:11 kf you?
15:11 neo_ ohh... ok
15:11 kf hm
15:11 kf who is wahanui?
15:11 wahanui i am a bot
15:11 kf ah.
15:11 oleonard search faq?
15:11 wahanui search faq is at[…]on/faq/searching/
15:12 oleonard neo_: have you read through that FAQ yet?
15:12 neo_ yes,
15:13 neo_ saying that we should run -b -r -v
15:13 eythian neo_: the zebraqueue_daemon thing doesn't work as far as I know
15:13 neo_ ohh...  ok
15:14 eythian rebuild_zebra (or koha-rebuild-zebra if you're on the debian packages) is the recommended way.
15:14 neo_ i am wondering that , i was running this from yesterday  and have some records
15:14 neo_ ok
15:14 neo_ so i have to use the cron for scheduling this , right ?
15:15 neo_ remove  from the startup scripts ?
15:15 eythian yep
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15:15 neo_ thank you eythian
15:16 eythian np
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15:39 jcamins_away I would accept a patch for 3.6.x entirely removing zebraqueue_daemon.
15:39 chris_n has it really been 3 days since the last post to the dev list?
15:39 jcamins_away That's the last one I saw.
15:40 * chris_n just wanted to be sure he was not missing anything :-)
15:41 chris_n ups trashed my new xeon server for me :-(
15:41 jcamins_away Oh no! Don't they have to replace it?
15:41 chris_n looks like it was dropped from some unspecified height
15:42 chris_n we'll file a claim on it for sure
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15:47 oleonard Man it's quiet around here these days
15:48 jcamins Grrr.
15:48 jcamins This week has the most wonderful selection at the CSA.
15:48 oleonard Except for jcamins stomach rumbling
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15:49 jcamins We only get every other week, which means I don't get the fennel, arugula, romaine, Boston lettuce, etc.
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15:49 * jcamins hopes they have fennel next week.
15:50 jcamins Mmm. Fennel.
15:50 jcamins Fennel...
15:50 * jcamins will be buying fennel on the way home.
15:50 kf :)
15:51 oleonard "C4::Output version 3.02 required--this is only version at /home/oleonard/kohaclone/tags/"
15:51 jcamins oleonard: that doesn't seem quite right.
15:52 oleonard Indeed.
15:52 drojf dpavlin: staff client works too, it's magic :)
15:52 wizzyrea WHAT NO FENNEL
15:52 jcamins drojf: on the raspberry pi?
15:52 drojf yes
15:52 drojf plack rocks
15:53 jcamins wizzyrea: I know
15:53 jcamins drojf++
15:53 jcamins plack++
15:53 chris_n oooo... raspberry pi
15:53 * jcamins wants a raspberry pi, too. It would make a *perfect* backup server.
15:53 chris_n they're cheap
15:53 chris_n buy two
15:53 drojf jcamins: have you ordered one?
15:53 jcamins Not yet.
15:53 eythian I think there will be better, cheaper, and less proprietary things coming out in the near future.
15:53 drojf eythian: i hope so
15:53 jcamins ^^ that's my hope!
15:53 * chris_n too
15:54 oleonard Can anyone reproduce that error from /tags/
15:54 eythian (there have been for ages, but rasberry pi seemed to start a bit of a wave)
15:54 drojf eythian: becaiuse its cheap
15:54 jcamins However, the reason I haven't ordered a raspberry pi yet is that until I have a router than can do useful traffic shaping/QoS, the backup server idea isn't really tenable.
15:55 drojf jcamins: get two, make one a router ;)
15:55 jcamins drojf: it only has one ethernet port.
15:56 jcamins I was thinking of an ALIX2d13 for router.
15:56 drojf plug in a wifi stick
15:56 jcamins drojf: and require all my traffic to go over wifi? Never!
15:56 drojf heh
15:57 * jcamins has a nice WAP which plugged into an uplink port on the switch which is plugged into the router.
15:58 jcamins I've been thinking about making the wireless network a separate subnet.
15:59 * jcamins never got over his distrust of 802.11b.
16:00 eythian you don't have to use 802.11b...
16:00 eythian we're in the future now, you know :)
16:01 drojf lol
16:01 jcamins eythian: and the future is very cool. But wifi=802.11b.
16:01 jcamins And 802.11b=slow, painfully, and error-prone.
16:02 * eythian doesn't
16:02 * eythian uses 802.11g
16:02 eythian and .11n where he can
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16:02 jcamins eythian: yeah, my wireless network is 802.11n/a (dual band).
16:03 eythian My wrt can't do 5GHz, and I haven't got around to setting up my router that can (and it can't bridge, so I'd need to replace the firmware on it, etc etc)
16:04 eythian But it'll happen one day!
16:07 jcamins chris_n: maybe instead of a Xeon server you should get several dozen raspberry pis, and use Galera+Plack+load balancing.
16:07 jcamins :D
16:09 jcamins Get forty: 20 web servers, 10 Zebra servers, 10 MySQL servers.
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16:11 * chris_n thinks jcamins has had too many brownies today
16:11 jcamins chris_n: hehe. Cinnamon bread + a terrible cold.
16:11 * eythian does not fancy the idea of clustering zebra
16:11 chris_n would that be a herd of zebras?
16:12 * chris_n imagines the feed bill would get pretty costly quick
16:12 eythian depends what OS you're running. Could be a hurd.
16:12 chris_n lol
16:16 drojf :D
16:39 neo_ search was giving no results in the first place
16:39 neo_ modulePath was incorrect in  /etc/koha/zebradb/*.cfg
16:40 neo_ it was /usr/lib/idzebra-2.0/modules/  ,  our system is a 64 bit
16:41 jcamins neo_: I expect you will run into a lot of problems with that, since all the configuration files are assuming a Debian-style filesystem layout.
16:41 neo_ corrected and working fine now
16:41 kf Edit: Now with proper translatability, date formatting, first day of the week handling, and RTL support.  << oleonard++
16:41 neo_ there is no  /usr/lib64/   in Debian ?
16:41 jcamins Edit what?
16:41 oleonard Except I realized I made a mistake in the patch so I'm preparing a revised revision
16:41 jcamins neo_: nope.
16:42 eythian lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root      3 mei 10 08:21 lib64 -> lib
16:42 neo_ ohh... ok
16:42 liw Debian is building multiarch, though, which is complicating things
16:43 eythian yeah
16:43 oleonard Okay, that's better.
16:43 eythian I'm not totally sure how that works
16:43 neo_ can we have this different modulePath in these .cfg
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16:44 jcamins neo_: you can edit it however you need to. Just don't rerun the installation to avoid overwriting your modified files (and for goodness' sake, back up the working configuration!).
16:44 neo_ sure jcamins
16:45 jcamins Provided the configuration files point to real paths, I don't think Koha or its dependencies make many assumptions about file location.
16:45 jcamins Other than Perl.
16:46 jcamins (which is assumed to be at /usr/bin/perl)
16:54 jcamins ago43: did you update the wrong bug? The problem in bug 7995 is going to be in the offline circ section.
16:54 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7995 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , upload patron images permission needed to upload offline circ
16:55 ago43 hi, jcamins.  yes, you are correct.  after i submitted my first comment it moved to the next issue.
16:55 kf ago43: ah, you can deactivate that :)
16:55 ago43 sorry about that, I'll correct it right now.  and thanks for alerting me.
16:55 kf ago43: check the preferences in bugzilla - I hate that is does that standard
16:55 ago43 cool.  thanks, kf!
16:55 kf ago43: you can tell it to stay on the same bug aftre saving
16:56 jcamins ago43: no problem. I was just a bit confused by the juxtaposition of the subject and the message.
16:56 ago43 I can see that being a little bit of a non sequiter
17:18 kf oleonard: thx for your comments - I will retest the holidays :)
17:22 tcohen bye #koha
17:25 wizzyrea bug 8011
17:25 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8011 major, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , no records found in biblios reservior
17:25 wizzyrea bug 8001
17:25 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8001 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Stable , Add some styling to the tags to allow them to be distinctive
17:25 wizzyrea bug 8110
17:25 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8110 blocker, P1 - high, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , Fines accruing on closed days
17:26 jcamins I think I will remove zebraqueue_daemon before 3.6.6.
17:26 wizzyrea and from the documentation too :/
17:26 jcamins wizzyrea: it was removed from the documentation 3.8 and 3.10.
17:27 wizzyrea oki cool
17:27 jcamins But since without fail everyone ignores the instructions to use rebuild_zebra in favor of the non-working zebraqueue_daemon, it seems like it would be a good idea to make that impossible.
17:28 jcamins And 50% of those people then argue with me when I tell them to stop using it.
17:28 wizzyrea cron is scary
17:28 wizzyrea it's like the hulk
17:28 wizzyrea you wouldn't like it when it's angry.
17:29 jcamins Hehe.
17:29 wizzyrea or rather, that's what people's perception is
17:29 wizzyrea though I'm not sure something called a "daemon" is much friendlier.
17:30 wajasu kill, abort, and even fork for that matter :)
17:35 jcamins It is my considered opinion that I do not like ContentDM much.
17:37 jcamins It is very counterintuitive.
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17:41 jcamins @seen libsysguy
17:41 huginn jcamins: libsysguy was last seen in #koha 4 days, 22 hours, 15 minutes, and 51 seconds ago: <libsysguy> Mr. Anderson...
18:27 wajasu PRoot  looks like another interesting way to build a chrooted test environment, with host files "bind mounted" into the chrooted environment.
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18:28 wajasu maybe a proot perl/koha script might be in order to support more distributions. example:[…]aking-VLC-at-home
18:29 jcamins wajasu: ooh, -B looks like what I need.
18:30 wajasu yup
18:30 jcamins wajasu: but Koha itself does not actually require any cross-compilation.
18:31 jcamins wajasu: ohh, I just realized what you meant. You could set up a PRoot with, say, CentOS.
18:31 wajasu we can mount ind out git repo, our network, etc.  then no sshfs overhead
18:31 wajasu yes
18:32 wajasu and grab the openvz distributions[…]ent&package=proot
18:32 * oleonard thinks his universal translator must be on the fritz
18:33 jcamins wajasu: why OpenVZ? Isn't the point of proot that you shouldn't need it?
18:33 wajasu those dists are available to grab, so we don't have to build them.  i.e. debootstrap, for other dists.
18:34 jcamins Oh, I understand now.
18:34 wajasu saves time.  you grab, then untar from host os.
18:34 jcamins Right.
18:35 jcamins And with proot, I could greatly simplify my release process.
18:35 jcamins Where simplify = add a lot more steps
18:35 wajasu i used to use schroot, which is a different option.
18:36 * jcamins looks up schroot.
18:36 jcamins Ah.
18:37 wajasu the other option is lxc containers, which libvirt supports.  so that is why i was making the shell scripts with libvirt.
18:38 jcamins Intriguing. dpavlin is one of the LXC people.
18:39 wajasu i also has things set up with schroot, and either aufs or unionfs, so i could start with a base OS/dist, and just layer on top without copy/build but that more sophisticated set up. but saves space.
18:40 jcamins For my release work, I would prefer something with slightly less isolation than lxc.
18:43 wajasu my setup is using /tmp in tmpfs, and the VM build is 5minutes non-interactive.
18:43 jcamins Binding an install script into the proot would be perfect.
18:43 wajasu yes.
18:44 jcamins Then the overall script can run the test directly and retrieve any log output easily.
18:45 wajasu and if you can do it in /tmp  tmpfs, with local debian package repo/proxies (possible in the /tmp) you could build  a mahine fast.
18:48 jcamins wahanui: also, apt-proxy.
18:48 wahanui jcamins: sorry...
18:48 jcamins wajasu: I meant that for you.
18:49 wajasu i was hoping the workflow would be:  1) build machine, 2) git branch select/setup/koha dev non-interactive, 3) grab patch (or by id) and apply, 3) test
18:50 wajasu jacmins: apt-proxy,thanks
18:51 jcamins I should set that up.
18:54 wajasu and also, if we could build deb packages without the fakeroot over mounted filesystem, having plenty of host os disk space.
18:55 jcamins wajasu: yeah, if pbuilder could be persuaded to use proot and userspace, that would be helpful.
18:59 wajasu with my VM located in tmpfs (and large enough), i  just pbuilder create, mounted with sshfs, cd into the mounted kohaclone, then debian/build-git-snapshot,.
18:59 jcamins It would also be helpful if I could figure out how to put all of pbuilder on tmpfs.
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19:00 wajasu the other day, my problem with my build-git-snapshot was i had a mysql db backup inthe kohaclone, and so it got added to the koha-tar.
19:00 jcamins (without needing to run a separate VM)
19:03 wajasu i am not running debian as my host os, but you could run pbuilder and maybe edit /etc/pbuilderrc to have BUILDPLACE="/tmp/kohaplace"
19:03 jcamins Oooh.
19:03 jcamins Thanks.
19:04 wajasu i was trying that over the sshfs, but i got hung up with fakeroot, and the untar trying to set uid=0,
19:05 wajasu and i believe the current versions of openssh support hardlinks.
19:06 wajasu what i like about the VMs is that they are "migratable" with the libvirt tools, to VPS providers, and such.
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19:08 wajasu the plack spec is interesting, because if one wrote a plack implementation upon openstack, or aws, etc, things could get interesting. but thats beyond this forum.
19:10 wajasu i thought is one had a plack impementation with PLjava, maybe the perl folks could leverage services in the JVM world (scala, groovy).
19:10 wajasu i only mention this, since solr might bring JVM into the mix.
19:10 jcamins Interesting.
19:11 * jcamins doesn't know much -- well, anything, really -- about this.
19:11 jcamins My Java experience was mostly pre-Java2.
19:12 ago43 Hi, All: is there a reason why cover images will  appear on the Holdings tab only sometimes, but will always appear on the Images tab?   This is in the staff-client koha/catalogue/
19:12 jcamins ago43: cover images should never appear on the holdings tab.
19:13 jcamins ago43: check your intranetuserjs.
19:13 jcamins ago43: wait, didn't we have this discussion?
19:13 ago43 I mis-placed a bug update for patron images.
19:13 jcamins And wizzyrea was able to reproduce it with some crazy JS.
19:14 jcamins ago43: I know. I mean, didn't we have this discussion last week?
19:14 ago43 jcamins: I don't think so.
19:14 jcamins Huh.
19:14 jcamins Deja vu.
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19:14 ago43 yeah, I hope not because then I'm missing a LOT.
19:14 oleonard jcamins: Are you thinking of the IE cover image bug?
19:15 ago43 nope, it's not IE.
19:15 jcamins oleonard: no, I remember talking about that one.
19:15 jcamins I mean, I remember what the actual problem was.
19:15 jcamins Unlike this, where I have a recollection of wizzyrea finding some errant JS.
19:16 wizzyrea huh?
19:16 ago43 thanks.  I'll dig into this some more to see what I can find.
19:16 wizzyrea i don't remember this either
19:16 jcamins Hm.
19:16 jcamins Yeah, just me.
19:16 * jcamins uses this as an excuse to declare his day over in fifteen minutes.
19:17 wizzyrea images tab?!
19:17 wizzyrea what is the URL of the page you are looking at
19:17 wizzyrea and
19:17 oleonard wizzyrea: Local cover images in the staff client
19:17 wizzyrea the first question?
19:17 wahanui "What are you trying to do?"  "What is the goal?" or "What problem are you experiencing?"
19:18 jcamins wizzyrea: in the details page. They upgraded to 3.8.
19:18 jcamins ago43: and just to confirm, you are looking at an example where the *local* cover image is showing up on the holdings tab?
19:19 jcamins Nice:[…]ees-for-jobs-2/2/
19:19 jcamins And by nice I mean "ouch."
19:21 wizzyrea ago43: do they have other expanded content options on?
19:21 wizzyrea jcamins: I'm looking at an example where the image only shows on the images tab.
19:21 ago43 amazon
19:21 wizzyrea i bet you are seeing the amazon cover on the holdings tab
19:21 wizzyrea and the local cover on the images tab.
19:21 ago43 okay.  that makes sense.
19:21 jcamins wizzyrea: yes, that's what it is supposed to do, and the only thing I've ever seen it do.
19:22 wizzyrea not a bug :)
19:22 jcamins Having it show up anywhere but the Images tab is all new to me.
19:22 wizzyrea "working as intended"
19:22 ago43 cool.  Thanks very much!
19:22 wizzyrea jcamins: just curious why don't local cover images usurp all other kinds of cover images?
19:23 jcamins wizzyrea: 'cause kmkale hasn't finished that yet. :)
19:24 wizzyrea ah
19:24 jcamins And almost all my clients are local cover image-only.
19:24 * jcamins now has one client using Amazon, too.
19:24 wizzyrea so the amazon ones would show on the holdings tab, and the local image only in the images tab.
19:25 wizzyrea ago43: you could verify that by checking hte source of the image you are seeing.
19:25 wizzyrea on the holdings tab.
19:25 oleonard why would the cover show on the holdings tab?
19:25 wizzyrea …because they told it to?
19:26 jcamins oleonard: someone wanted it to?
19:26 jcamins I don't really know, actually.
19:26 wizzyrea well not "on the tab"
19:26 ago43 yup, that one is from Amazon.
19:26 wizzyrea up at the top, by the bib info
19:26 oleonard I want cookies delivered daily to my desk but it doesn't mean it happens :P
19:27 jcamins oleonard: ooh, I want that, too.
19:27 * wizzyrea declines cookies
19:27 * jcamins looks shiftily at wizzyrea's plate of cookies, tosses half to oleonard, and scampers off with his share.
19:28 wizzyrea fine by me ;)
19:28 oleonard Are you being dietarily virtuous wizzyrea?
19:28 wizzyrea I don't really eat sweets often anymore
19:29 wizzyrea they are a "sometimes treat"
19:29 wizzyrea where sometimes comes almost never.
19:32 jcamins Okay, I think I've extracted all the information I can from this German buchhandlung catalog.
19:40 rangi Morning
19:40 wahanui i heard Morning was a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast.
19:42 wizzyrea mornin
19:42 oleonard Hi rangi. Are you recovered from your world traveling?
19:43 rangi Mostly still sleepy lots
19:45 * oleonard leaves Sunday for Thailand
19:47 rangi Ooh cool
19:48 rangi For how long?
19:52 * wajasu compiled proot under archlinux, grabbed debian dist, adding
19:53 wizzyrea wow oleonard that sounds awesome
19:53 oleonard 12 days. My wife and our oldest daughter (who's 9 now).
19:54 rangi Awesome you'll love it
19:54 oleonard I'm in my usual pre-travel freakout mode, made worse by the fact that we're pretty much winging it
19:55 wizzyrea winging-it++
19:55 rangi Passport and wallet
19:55 wizzyrea necessary prescription drugs, if any.
19:55 rangi Everything else is gravy :)
19:55 wizzyrea possibly a place to stay when you get off the plane.
19:55 oleonard wizzyrea: Malaria pills :(
19:55 wizzyrea but that's mostly gravy.
19:55 oleonard not_getting_malaria++
19:56 wizzyrea not_getting_malaria++
20:02 rangi Pad_thai++
20:04 * oleonard hasn't tried to organize a Bangkok Koha hackfest
20:05 rangi Hmm bug 8253
20:05 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8253 blocker, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Fine doubling
20:05 rangi I'd love that for 3.8.2
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20:08 kathryn morning :)
20:09 rangi If someone has time to sign off
20:09 rangi We've got 2 days
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20:12 cait hi #koha
20:13 * wizzyrea will try
20:16 nengard rangi will 8110 be in 3.8.2?
20:16 nengard bug 8110
20:16 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8110 blocker, P1 - high, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , Fines accruing on closed days
20:16 nengard that's another biggie
20:16 wizzyrea I can't get the db update to fire :/
20:16 * wizzyrea double checks some things
20:17 oleonard See ya #koha
20:17 wizzyrea it's in there...
20:17 wizzyrea bye oleonard
20:18 rangi hi cait
20:18 cait hi rangi
20:18 rangi nengard: it needs to get passed qa and pushed to master first then it can
20:18 cait morning :)
20:18 nengard who do i need to nag ??? :)
20:19 rangi well i want to see it demonstrated working with other than just passing the unit tests
20:19 melia_lunch bug 8267 is pretty important, too
20:19 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8267 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Overdue notices not working
20:19 melia_lunch and needs signoff
20:19 melia_lunch but that's all from me. back to lunch. :)
20:19 rangi i wouldnt be pushing it until that, and be sure that it works with all the differnet date format sysprefs
20:22 wizzyrea ^^ this really has to happen, I'd like to see a functional test
20:22 wizzyrea I don't have data for it though >.<
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20:29 mbalmer ola
20:29 * wizzyrea waves cautiously
20:30 * mbalmer waves back, cautios,y
20:30 mbalmer cautiosly
20:30 mbalmer grrr.
20:30 mbalmer typos
20:32 * wizzyrea speaks typo
20:33 wizzyrea I got the db update to work after I rolled back the version number, but that doesn't seem right on bug 8253
20:33 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8253 blocker, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Fine doubling
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20:36 wizzyrea anybody else able to duplicate? I suppose it could be my data.
20:37 rangi hmm? rolled back the version number?
20:39 wizzyrea yea, it was on 14, but wouldn't fire - I rolled it back to 13, it tried to redo the iTiva stuff, and claims it did the .xxx update too, however I'm still looking for the evidence
20:39 rangi ah right
20:39 cait hm
20:39 cait wizzyrea: what I do is
20:39 cait apply patch
20:39 cait increase databasenumber in kohaversion by 1
20:39 cait run the update
20:39 cait but it back down by 1
20:39 * wizzyrea did it with the syspref
20:40 * wizzyrea knows it says DON'T TOUCH but suspects this is the exact situation that was in mind when the ability to edit it was added
20:40 cait btu didn't you say it didn't work? :)
20:41 wizzyrea no, it did work after I rolled the version back
20:41 wizzyrea it usually fires automatically, even with a .xxx
20:41 wizzyrea this one didn't
20:41 wizzyrea well, i'mnot sure it worked at all, actualy
20:44 wizzyrea so if I'm understanding
20:44 wizzyrea if this update actually worked
20:44 wizzyrea I would see 2012-16-18 00:00
20:45 wizzyrea in accountlines
20:45 wizzyrea I don't think it worked, I don't have any 00:00
20:45 cait in the description field
20:45 cait why do we have that in description?
20:47 wizzyrea wait that makes no sense
20:48 wizzyrea shouldn't it be in the date field?
20:48 wizzyrea my lightbulb is a bit dim today
20:48 wizzyrea there aren't any dates in the description
20:48 rangi hmmm yeah
20:48 rangi that does make no sense
20:49 wizzyrea kylemhall: hey re: 8253 - can you read the scrollback?
20:49 wizzyrea er, s/can/would
20:49 rangi slef:  <-- tried one of the beers last night
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20:51 ibeardslee that reminds me I need to sign up for that
20:51 ibeardslee .. for arbitary degrees of 'need'
20:51 rangi heh
20:51 trea that sounds pretty awesome
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20:52 wizzyrea ^^ this
21:00 rangi ahh, only overdues have the date in the desc, so would need to test that patch with some overdues
21:00 rangi overdue fines that is
21:00 wizzyrea yes, indeed, good catch
21:00 wizzyrea :)
21:08 wizzyrea kylemhall: never mind about the patch - will test with data that actually meets the conditions <mutters>
21:10 wajasu jcamins: maybe sbuild could make building packages since it does snapshots of base and overlay filesystems with schroot.[…]dependencies.html
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21:52 jcamins_away Awesome!
21:52 jcamins_away wajasu++
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22:27 rangi hmm 3 competing US kohacon13 bids now
22:35 drojf i wish we had three different koha parties (vendor, independent etc) in germany at all ;)
22:36 drojf nah i think we have, but not much more
22:38 * jcamins tries sbuild.
22:39 * jcamins knows which of those bids he'll be voting for.
22:43 jcamins cmeech++ # cooperation, that's the ticket!
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22:46 drojf wow[…]cial:Log/newusers
22:46 jcamins Looks like the spammers are back.
22:47 drojf or just a lot of koha enthusiasts with crazy names ;)
22:48 jcamins Hm. Apparently my Debian VM is i386 not amd64.
22:48 jcamins Oops.
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22:53 rangi the spammers never went away, but all they are doing is creating users at the moment so thats ok
23:01 jcamins myshkin says hi
23:01 rangi :)
23:01 jcamins he is walking across the keyboard with determination...
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