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bag |
heya Amit_Gupta |
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wahanui |
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reiveune |
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* paul_p |
and all the BibLibre team now head to the airport... |
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paul_p |
bye bye Edinburgh. |
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rangi |
safe travels |
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cait |
safe travels! |
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rangi |
missing you guys already, will have to try to get to the marseille hackfest |
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cait |
hope to see you all again soon |
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* liw |
missed everyone :( |
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cait |
liw: but hope you are feeling better? |
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liw |
I am feeling better, maybe tomorrow I get to go to work |
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cait |
oh |
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* Oak |
waves |
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cait |
hi Oak :) |
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Oak |
hello cait :) |
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Oak |
how long is your stay left in UK? |
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cait |
flying back home tomorrow |
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Oak |
hmm. |
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Oak |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bY-zmJ1VCQI |
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Oak |
"Did you ever get the feeling that you wanted to go, But still had the feeling that you wanted to stay." |
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cait |
hm |
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cait |
I don't want to go |
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Oak |
hmm. |
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slef |
blurgh. Car fixed up for free. Got me home. Got lost on the way (road closed) but about as long as I expected (7.5 hours including breaks). |
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rangi |
glad you made it home safe |
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cait |
slef: what rangi said :) |
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cait |
glad it worked out with the car |
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cait |
and thx for a great time in edinburgh :) |
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slef |
well... it was fixed-up, not fixed. Still need to find its bug. |
| 08:12 |
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slef |
and thanks for the same :) |
| 08:12 |
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slef |
is anyone else going to be at bibliohack? I've more book bags... |
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mtj |
hows the whisky/beer sampling going at kohacon? |
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mbalmer |
moarning |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_3.8.x build #50: SUCCESS in 50 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.8.x/50/ |
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jenkins_koha |
* ruth: Bug 8009: Item descriptive data not populated on pay.pl |
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* jonathan.druart: Bug 8009: Followup Item descriptive data not populated on pay.pl |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8009 minor, P5 - low, ---, ruth, Pushed to Stable , Item descriptive data not populated on pay.pl |
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drojf |
hi from the airlink bus |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_3.8.x build #51: SUCCESS in 49 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.8.x/51/ |
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jenkins_koha |
* adrien.saurat: Bug 8217:[SIGNED-OFF] Focus on search box in staff detail page |
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drojf |
byebye edinburgh |
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jenkins_koha |
* Chris Cormack: Updating template for release notes |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8217 minor, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Needs Signoff , Focus on search box in Detail page (staff search) |
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mtompset |
Greetings, #koha. |
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medmondson |
droif: byeee |
| 10:00 |
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magnuse |
kia ora #koha! |
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mbalmer |
back @office |
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mtompset |
Greetings, mblamer. |
| 10:31 |
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mtompset |
Oops.. mbalmer. |
| 10:31 |
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mbalmer |
heh, common typo ;) |
| 10:32 |
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mtompset |
Thankfully, otherwise I'd feel really stupid. |
| 10:36 |
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mtompset |
Where's the office? |
| 10:37 |
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mtompset |
@wunder MNL |
| 10:37 |
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huginn |
mtompset: The current temperature in Manila, Philippines is 30.0°C (6:00 PM PHT on June 12, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 25.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady). |
| 10:37 |
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* mtompset |
is about to attempt an upgrade for the very first time. |
| 10:51 |
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mbalmer |
mtompset, in Basel, Switzerland |
| 11:01 |
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mtompset |
Ah, Interesting. |
| 11:02 |
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mtompset |
Just waiting for my old data to import before updating. :) |
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mbalmer |
from a Koha point of view, Switzerland is still a developing country. |
| 11:06 |
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* mtompset |
smirks. |
| 11:06 |
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mtompset |
Is that a pun on developing? |
| 11:08 |
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mbalmer |
no, it means that in Switzerland, there aint not much Koha installations yet. |
| 11:09 |
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* mtompset |
is enlightened. :) |
| 11:09 |
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mtompset |
That was the other possibility. |
| 11:09 |
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mtompset |
Here in the Philippines, the National Library has moved to Koha. |
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mbalmer |
nice! |
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mtompset |
It's more of a user role, rather than a participatory one. |
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mtompset |
But it means that our organization's move to use Koha is a good move at least in the local context. :) |
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magnuse |
mtompset: moving to koha is good in any context ;-) |
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slef |
mtompset: Philippine House of Representatives uses Koha too I think. |
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jcamins |
o/ |
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* mtompset |
shrugs. Just trying to get imported data to search before attempting an upgrade for the first time. |
| 11:38 |
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mtompset |
Greetings, jcamins. |
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jcamins |
Good time-of-day. |
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* mtompset |
grins, "Good reply." |
| 11:45 |
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* mtompset |
groans, "Oh the pains of a 1.5GHZ netbook running a koha virtual machine. I guess the indexing will take a while." |
| 11:45 |
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mbalmer |
indexing what? |
| 11:45 |
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wahanui |
rumour has it indexing is done by Zebra |
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mtompset |
rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -r -v |
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jcamins |
mtompset: yep. |
| 11:46 |
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mtompset |
supposedly around 39K books. |
| 11:46 |
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mbalmer |
ah, I see. well, I can only smile and point to my blog post about MARC in SQL ;) |
| 11:47 |
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mtompset |
I noticed that... but PostGreSQL was mentioned. |
| 11:47 |
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jcamins |
Unfortunately, having a MARC datatype in postgres won't help with the indexing at all. |
| 11:47 |
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mbalmer |
indexes 246'814 books just in seconds. |
| 11:47 |
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mtompset |
What does that mean for MySQL? |
| 11:47 |
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mbalmer |
it will never be in MySQL. |
| 11:48 |
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mtompset |
Well, that's a little PostGreSQL-ist. :P |
| 11:48 |
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mbalmer |
hehe ;) but it's a nice experiment, with still open questions. |
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jcamins |
mbalmer: you patched Zebra to directly access the database? |
| 11:49 |
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mtompset |
Yes, it is. |
| 11:49 |
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jcamins |
That seems like a maintenance nightmare. |
| 11:49 |
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mbalmer |
e.g. I want to find out if PostgreSQL's full text search can be used for title search and such. |
| 11:49 |
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mtompset |
Actually, if I read it correctly, he patched the DB structure to allow for MARC fields/subfields. |
| 11:49 |
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jcamins |
mtompset: yeah, that I know. |
| 11:49 |
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mbalmer |
jcamins, no, I did not do that neither do I plan that. |
| 11:50 |
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jcamins |
mtompset: however, indexing is dependent on Zebra. |
| 11:50 |
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jcamins |
mbalmer: very wise. |
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mbalmer |
atm, this is pure research. If at all, it should replace Zebra. But I don't know if it even could (full text search etc..) |
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mtompset |
If this is pure research, try to find a generic solution that works in other back-ends too. :) |
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* jcamins |
will stick with Zebra or solr for indexing. |
| 11:52 |
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mbalmer |
mtompset, no, it's pg only, sorry. |
| 11:53 |
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jcamins |
mbalmer doesn't consider any option other than postgres to be worthwhile. |
| 11:54 |
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mbalmer |
well, I am curious if indexing purely in an SQL DB is doable at all (there are some doubts) |
| 11:54 |
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mbalmer |
jcamins, please don't put words in my mouth, speak for yourself, I did not say what you just said. |
| 11:55 |
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jcamins |
mbalmer: apologies. I must have misunderstood. |
| 11:57 |
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mtompset |
Well, it is obvious that people tend to prefer one backend over another, and some back ends lend themselves better syntactically for experiments, like mbalmer's experiment. |
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mtompset |
Frankly, you wouldn't have me experimenting with PostGreSQL by default. :) |
| 11:58 |
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mtompset |
Though, depending on the size of your data, and type of data, it may be a better choice than MySQL. :) |
| 11:59 |
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mbalmer |
as for Koha, the current goal is clear: run on mysql and eventually on postgres, too. so support two DBs. what I do with postgres here, is an experiment. |
| 11:59 |
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jcamins |
mbalmer: three DBs. Don't forget about sqlite for testing purposes! ;) |
| 11:59 |
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mbalmer |
mtompset, try storing february, 31-st in a postgres database. it will refuse that, because it is an illegal date. |
| 12:00 |
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mtompset |
Let me guess, MySQL massages it to a valid date? |
| 12:00 |
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mbalmer |
sqllite can not be a choice, since it allows only one process to access data, and we have several. |
| 12:00 |
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mbalmer |
(at least when doing sip) |
| 12:01 |
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jcamins |
mbalmer: for most testing, one would only need a single process at once. |
| 12:01 |
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mbalmer |
mtompset, mySQL just accepts it. and I can tell you numerous other glitches. |
| 12:01 |
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jcamins |
mbalmer: and perhaps there is a similar file-based system that allows multiple databases. |
| 12:01 |
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mbalmer |
jcamins, true, but then setting up a DB is not really that hard, definitely easier than support a third DB in the code. |
| 12:02 |
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mtompset |
What about February 29? Does PostGreSQL actually do the leap year checks to validate? |
| 12:02 |
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jcamins |
DBIx FTW! :D |
| 12:02 |
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mbalmer |
mtompset, of course. |
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mbalmer |
jcamins, the ORM route is a dead end. |
| 12:02 |
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samuel |
hi everybody |
| 12:02 |
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mbalmer |
unless DBIx can be done in a way where it consider specialities of the udnerlying DB. |
| 12:03 |
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jcamins |
Good... afternoon (?) samuel. |
| 12:03 |
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samuel |
jcarmin: yes, it's 2 PM in Paris |
| 12:04 |
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mtompset |
Greetings, Samuel. |
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oleonard |
Hi #koha |
| 12:19 |
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nengard |
hi oleonard |
| 12:21 |
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mtompset |
hello, nengard and oleonard. |
| 12:22 |
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mtj |
mbalmer: whatever DBIx can't do, just dont use DBIx - for that specific task |
| 12:22 |
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mtj |
... thats the solution to your DBIx problem |
| 12:24 |
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Topic for #koha is now Koha 3.8.1, 3.6.5 and 3.4.8 Now Available | Koha Community Website - http://www.koha-community.org/ | http://paste.koha-community.org |
| 12:29 |
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mtj |
the important thing to understand with DBIx (and other ORMs?) is... you are not forced to use them for *everything* |
| 12:31 |
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mtj |
so in a situation where DBIx does not consider specialities of the udnerlying DB... just dont use it for that task :) |
| 12:31 |
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mtompset |
But what is the point of a mixed solution? Why not implement solutions for each DB backend? |
| 12:31 |
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jcamins |
mtompset: maintenance. |
| 12:32 |
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mtj |
...and use DBIx in the places where it makes easy and clean sense |
| 12:32 |
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mtj |
yes, code maintenance! |
| 12:33 |
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mtompset |
Okay, there's merit to the maintenance argument, but will changes to the DB backends be so drastic as to cause more maintenance for individual solutions as compared to a mixed solution? |
| 12:34 |
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magnuse |
talking of dead ends, MARC is the biggest of them all... |
| 12:34 |
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jcamins |
mtompset: yes. DBIx will be suitable the vast majority of the time. |
| 12:35 |
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* mtompset |
chuckles, "You have a point magnuse." |
| 12:36 |
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mtompset |
Out of curiousity, what MARC are you folks using, UniMarc, or Marc 21? |
| 12:36 |
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jcamins |
MARC21. |
| 12:36 |
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magnuse |
NORMARC |
| 12:37 |
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oleonard |
OLEONARDMARC |
| 12:37 |
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jcamins |
UNIMARC is mostly limited to France, I think. |
| 12:37 |
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magnuse |
the horror! |
| 12:37 |
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mtompset |
You have your own MARC standard, oleonard? |
| 12:37 |
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oleonard |
I would, but the MAN works tirelessly to keep it down |
| 12:37 |
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magnuse |
see, us 5 million norwegians are so special, we need our own MARC version, because we have special needs and we understand things that no one else understands |
| 12:37 |
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* oleonard |
is just kidding |
| 12:38 |
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jcamins |
magnuse: I think you're very special. ;) |
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jcamins |
How's your little one? |
| 12:39 |
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magnuse |
jcamins: eating and sleeping and something i won't mention in polite company - all well! |
| 12:39 |
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jcamins |
Hehe. |
| 12:39 |
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jcamins |
:) |
| 12:39 |
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samuel |
yes, unimarc is a french thing. Our ILS use his own unimarc |
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* magnuse |
wishes he had more time to work on semantikoha... |
| 12:42 |
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* jcamins |
too! |
| 12:43 |
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magnuse |
i'm thinking of using something like kickstarter to try and raise money for it... |
| 12:43 |
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mtompset |
Okay, next dumb question... why don't a bunch of international librarians sit down and reach a consensus as to what MARC should be? |
| 12:43 |
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* oleonard |
wishes he had more time to work on coding guidelines |
| 12:43 |
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jcamins |
mtompset: they did... that's why we have MARC21 and UNIMARC. |
| 12:44 |
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oleonard |
mtompset: Yeah, the Americans should sit down and convince everyone they're doing it wrong. We're good at that. |
| 12:44 |
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magnuse |
mtompset: MARC should be dead - we should spend our energy on it's successor |
| 12:44 |
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mtompset |
hence my "should be", magnuse. |
| 12:45 |
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magnuse |
:-) |
| 12:45 |
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jcamins |
magnuse: I think a kickstarter project is a good idea. |
| 12:46 |
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mtompset |
But MARC21 and UNIMARC are two different standards. The dream of every programmer is a single, simple standard. |
| 12:46 |
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magnuse |
jcamins: yay! though kickstarter only works for recipients in the us, so i'm looking for alternatives |
| 12:46 |
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jcamins |
Andrew S. Tanenbaum said something about that. |
| 12:46 |
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mtompset |
And magnuse pointed out NORMARC. |
| 12:47 |
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mtompset |
Ah yes, Tanenbaum... I remember that OS book. ;) |
| 12:47 |
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oleonard |
It would be nice to have just one MARC standard that everyone hated and hoped would die instead of three. |
| 12:47 |
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* mtompset |
laughs, "Exactly. Focus the hate." ;) |
| 12:48 |
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jcamins |
oleonard: four. |
| 12:48 |
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jcamins |
Don't forget RUSMARC. |
| 12:48 |
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mtompset |
Nothing about RUSMARC on the wiki. |
| 12:48 |
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jcamins |
That's because Koha doesn't have any support for it. |
| 12:49 |
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magnuse |
BISMARC, DANMARC... the list goes on... |
| 12:49 |
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mtompset |
http://www.rba.ru/rusmarc/rusmarc_e.html |
| 12:49 |
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* mtompset |
cringes. |
| 12:49 |
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magnuse |
some countries have taken to their senses and adopted AMRC21, though |
| 12:49 |
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mtompset |
Do standards have to be so political? |
| 12:51 |
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jcamins |
mtompset: my sources say yes. |
| 12:51 |
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jcamins |
:( |
| 12:51 |
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oleonard |
There's nothing political about us being right and everyone else being wrong is there? |
| 12:51 |
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mtompset |
Sadly, it is so. |
| 12:52 |
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mtompset |
oleonard, I sense a tongue-in-cheek comment in there. :P |
| 12:53 |
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mtompset |
Speak softly, carry a big stick? |
| 12:56 |
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mtompset |
Almost... indexed.... |
| 12:56 |
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mtompset |
What sort of speeds do you normally experience with your zebra indexing? |
| 12:57 |
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mtompset |
How long does a full reindex take? minutes with # records? |
| 12:58 |
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jcamins |
mtompset: that's a good question! |
| 12:58 |
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jcamins |
I actually don't know. |
| 12:58 |
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magnuse |
mtompset: depends a lot on your hardware, i think? |
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| 12:58 |
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mtompset |
true,... okay, time, # records, size of ram, machine speed. |
| 12:59 |
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* magnuse |
doesn't have any numbers |
| 12:59 |
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magnuse |
kia ora libsysguy! |
| 12:59 |
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libsysguy |
hi magnuse |
| 12:59 |
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libsysguy |
whats happening |
| 13:00 |
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magnuse |
we, kohacon just happenede for some lucky people |
| 13:00 |
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magnuse |
for me personally, a baby happened quite recently :-) |
| 13:01 |
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libsysguy |
wow congratulations |
| 13:01 |
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magnuse |
thanks! |
| 13:01 |
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libsysguy |
babies seem to be happening all over koha |
| 13:01 |
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magnuse |
ter |
| 13:01 |
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libsysguy |
I think bag is next |
| 13:01 |
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magnuse |
ooh! |
| 13:01 |
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libsysguy |
8 days I think |
| 13:01 |
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magnuse |
oh, nice |
| 13:02 |
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magnuse |
future bidders for kohacon might have to include kindergarten facilities in their proposals :-) |
| 13:02 |
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libsysguy |
heh |
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* libsysguy |
wishes he could have gone to kohacon |
| 13:03 |
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mtompset |
Just did a rebuild_zebra -b -a -r -v ... 39398 biblio 260 authority, 204MB, 2.4GHZ, .... it took (retiming it now) |
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oleonard |
magnuse: That would have made my presence more likely! |
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oleonard |
Me in conference, the kids in daycare, my wife being a tourist. Everyone happy. |
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libsysguy |
mtompset you should probably go make a sandwich if you are timing it |
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mtompset |
it's about 2/3 done. |
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libsysguy |
still enough time for a few sandwiches then :p |
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magnuse |
libsysguy: when i clone your koha-catalyst repo and run script/koha_server.pl and visit http://localhost:3000/ i get a "Welcome to the world of Catalyst" page - is that what is supposed to happen? |
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* mtompset |
grins. |
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magnuse |
oleonard: sounds good, i think?!? |
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libsysguy |
magnuse I haven't set a default home page yet |
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libsysguy |
you should go to http://localhost:3000/tools/overduerules |
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magnuse |
libsysguy: ah, very cool! thanks |
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libsysguy |
I haven't written any of the mutators yet so you can't actually write |
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libsysguy |
lame, I know, but I want to make sure I have a solid database schema for that table before I implement anything |
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libsysguy |
but im pumped you are checking it out |
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magnuse |
i know nothing about catalyst (except for quickly reading the first third of "The Definitive Guide to Catalyst") but it does look interesting |
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libsysguy |
it is really interesting, I am just hoping it will help reign in the codebase |
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libsysguy |
Can we just call it Koha V5.0 for now :p |
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mtompset |
Just did a rebuild_zebra -b -a -r -v ... 39398 biblio 260 authority, 204MB, 2.4GHZ, .... it took ~7:40 |
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mtompset |
Probably would have been faster if we had more ram... there were 45K minor page faults. |
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Barrc |
Hi guys.....does anyone have much experience with multiple instances of Koha on the same box? I see there is a doc on the Wiki but it isn't closed to how I would do it so am wondering if anyone has any thoughts? |
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magnuse |
Barrc: the easiest way to do it is to run the packages on debian |
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jcamins |
Barrc: use packages. |
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jcamins |
It's easy. |
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magnuse |
that gives you some nice scripts for creating new instances etc |
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magnuse |
Barrc: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]on_Debian_Squeeze |
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jcamins |
^^ what he said. |
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Barrc |
Super, thanks! |
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* wizzyrea |
waves |
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vkm |
is there any way to restrict user catogory wise for online purchase sugession |
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jcamins |
Not to my knowledge, no. |
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nengard |
nope |
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* jcamins |
considers using a chroot for testing the installation. |
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oleonard |
Hi wizzyrea |
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samuel |
is there any way to get ldap entry with a search base on user id ? |
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libsysguy |
samuel: do you mean match the userid in koha to the CN in ldap? |
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mtompset |
"<owen> I'm a crazed branch-creating maniac" is this you, oleonard? |
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samuel |
libsysguy: the idea is ->connect to ldap >search base on user id ->retrieve cn-> compare password->get the ldap entry |
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jcamins |
mtompset: yes that is. |
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oleonard |
mtompset: Yes |
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samuel |
i've seen there http://blog.mbek.net/2009/01/p[…]ubleshooting.html |
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libsysguy |
samuel yeah I do that now |
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libsysguy |
but koha doesn't support it |
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libsysguy |
and its a pain |
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libsysguy |
but i can share the code I wrote with you |
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* jcamins |
tries to talk himself out of using chroot for testing Koha installation. |
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libsysguy |
are you running git or packages? |
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mtompset |
I thought koha supported LDAP authentication. |
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libsysguy |
mtompset it does |
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samuel |
libsysguy: yes, we discuss in PM |
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jcamins |
mtompset: apparently there are an infinite number of ways LDAP can be configured. |
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libsysguy |
mtompset just not in the way samuel is talking about |
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jcamins |
mtompset: I have been amazed at how many different configurations there are. |
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mtompset |
Is this another political standard problem? |
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jcamins |
mtompset: I think some of the LDAP options are MS vs. not MS. |
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mtompset |
Is this going to be a similar problem with SAML 2.0 work that may or may not be under way? |
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* jcamins |
finds his battle to talk himself out of setting up a chroot to be going badly. |
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mbalmer |
back. |
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mtompset |
Why not just a VM, jcamins? |
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mbalmer |
speaking of MARC, I favour BALMERMARC ;) |
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mtompset |
It's simpler than a chroot setup. |
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mtompset |
(I would think) |
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mbalmer |
and now I stop working and commute home… see you on the other side... |
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jcamins |
mtompset: a VM inside a VM is pushing it. |
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wajasu |
jacamins: i'll pastebin my shell script that builds a VM if you want to give it a try. |
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mtompset |
oh, nested VM's ugly. |
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jcamins |
mtompset: I'm not sure I know how to set up a VM without any user intervation. |
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jcamins |
wajasu: I'd *love* to see it. |
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mtompset |
Dumb question... why not a separate VM on the same host? |
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mtompset |
It only took me 1.5 hours to get an Ubuntu VM set up under Windows 7. |
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wajasu |
no user intervention. but you have to have your bridge to ineternet setup already, and libvirt installed/working on your host os |
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samuel |
mtompset: why do you want a separate vm? |
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mtompset |
because nested VMs is ugly. |
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jcamins |
mtompset: because part of the idea of testing is that I want to reset the VM prior to running the installation, every time, and I'm using VirtualBox for my VMs, which doesn't have a nice programmatic interface the way vmware does. |
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mtompset |
Oh... you don't like manually recloning? |
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jcamins |
mtompset: eventually my release-tool script will be run daily. |
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jcamins |
With cron. |
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jcamins |
'Cause I can. |
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mtompset |
Ah... hence the need for no user intervention. |
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jcamins |
Exactly. |
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jcamins |
My long-term goal is to have continuous integration in place for my clients. |
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wajasu |
letme run it to test. do you have libvirt installed? |
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jcamins |
Not yet, but I will shortly. :) |
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mtompset |
continuous integration from where? |
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jcamins |
mtompset: My own release branch. |
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wajasu |
that gives me time to pastebin the scripts/files. |
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mtompset |
So a development install, but git from your branch? |
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jcamins |
mtompset: no, I use packages. |
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jcamins |
release-tool.pl builds the packages. |
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* magnuse |
cheers loudly for bug 8233 |
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jcamins |
https://github.com/jcamins/release-tools |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8233 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , New search engine layer - introduce solr without breaking anything else |
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* jcamins |
joins magnuse in the cheering. |
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jcamins |
I hate Windows. |
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jcamins |
windows-- |
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mtompset |
Why do you hate windows? |
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jcamins |
mtompset: a minute and a half after booting it up, it informed me that I had to reboot. |
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wizzyrea |
^^ most. annoying. thing. ever. |
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libsysguy |
I hate windows for the same reason I hate comic sans |
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libsysguy |
it doesn't work with anything |
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wajasu |
jcamins: are you on a cpu such that you can use kvm (for performance)? |
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mtompset |
oh shoot. |
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mtompset |
It's the first tuesday of the month. |
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jcamins |
wajasu: I am not, though I may need to get a desktop, in which case I'll be able to use it on that. |
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jcamins |
mtompset: no it's not. It's the second. |
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mtompset |
Is it the first or second that MS does their monthly pushes? |
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jeff |
the second tuesday. today is patch tuesday. |
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wajasu |
jcamins: you will need a debian netinstall iso, so i hope your bridge give you internet access, debian-6.0.5-amd64-netinst.iso |
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jcamins |
Ugh. That means it's going to demand that I restart my computer *again* in a few minutes. |
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* mtompset |
tries to comfort jcamins. |
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* libsysguy |
runs osx then parallels for windows |
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libsysguy |
makes restarts less painful |
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mtompset |
Actually, it means the shutdown will be 10 minutes, and the reboot up will be 10 minutes. ;) |
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jcamins |
libsysguy: I rarely boot up Windows. It's just in a VM. |
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libsysguy |
lol thats why it needs so many patchs |
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libsysguy |
you're probably still getting patches for those stuxnet holes :p |
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mtompset |
actually, FLAME is the new STUXNET. |
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libsysguy |
oh yeah I read about that yesterday |
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mtompset |
Actually, the only true solution to this virus mess is to virtualize EVERYTHING. |
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libsysguy |
http://i.qkme.me/36c6o2.jpg |
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* wizzyrea |
applauds |
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wizzyrea |
libsysguy? |
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wahanui |
libsysguy is Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck |
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* wizzyrea |
nods |
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libsysguy |
heh |
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mtompset |
Loved that graphic! |
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mtompset |
"Virtualize all the servers!" |
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wizzyrea |
so much that it made you leave? :) |
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wizzyrea |
or you snorted coffee on your keyboard |
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wizzyrea |
which is what nearly happened to me. |
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mtompset |
Actually, I opened the image... but it should have been in a new tab. And back disconnected me. |
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wizzyrea |
doh! |
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* jcamins |
curses .NET. |
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* mtompset |
laughs. |
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jcamins |
In what way was .NET a good idea? |
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mtompset |
A common runtime library is a good idea in theory. |
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mtompset |
Makes maintaining the Visual Studio suite easier. ;) |
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jcamins |
Ah. Right. |
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jcamins |
Unfortunately, installing it is non-trivial. |
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mtompset |
And could break things which are dependent on it. |
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jcamins |
I successfully downloaded all the .NET files, and now it's just kind of spinning doing nothing. |
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* jcamins |
tries Windows Update in IE. |
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* oleonard |
offers jcamins a satchel packed with garlic and silver bullets |
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jcamins |
oleonard: thanks! |
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mtompset |
That only works under XP... Vista and 7 integrate windows update. |
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jcamins |
It won't cancel the installation either. |
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mtompset |
Nope. |
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* mtompset |
hands jcamins a stake in the shape of a holy cross. |
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jcamins |
Argh! |
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mtompset |
And better take some gold-dust just incase the cybermen are involved. ;) |
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* mtompset |
thinks the old school cybermen would beat up the new school cybermen easy. |
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wajasu |
jcamins: if you use my script, you could tweak the libvirt virsh command to create the vm machine to use other targets than kvm, such as lxc, qcow2, etc |
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mtompset |
"< owen> If your vendor calls it KOHA you know it's not really Koha." -- is that why you got on my case about KOHA when we first met, oleonard? ;) |
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wajasu |
jcamins: one other thing, is i have a dnsmasq handing out ip adresses, so my vm uses dhcp. |
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wajasu |
jcamins: on the bridged network. |
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jcamins |
wajasu: I can tweak it if it doesn't work with my system. |
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oleonard |
mtompset: Partly, yes. The other fact is that the name of the software is Koha, not KOHA. |
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wajasu |
jcamins: ok bldkohavm.sh is a shell script, which reads the debian iso, and a preseed.cfg file and writes an image to boot as a cdrom install. |
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pastebot |
"wajasu" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "bldkohavm.sh early release shell script that builds a virtual machine (kvm) squeeze+" (41 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/447 |
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mtompset |
I was thinking kOhA would be nice to call it. It's case-insensitive in my address bar. ;) |
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wajasu |
jcamins: now i am trying to figure out how to upload the preseed.cfg |
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oleonard |
mtompset: The software already has a name, thanks. |
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* jcamins |
tries installing .NET again. |
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pastebot |
"wajasu" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "preseed.cfg that drives non-interactive debian squeeze koha-common install." (501 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/448 |
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jcamins |
Hm. # indicates a comment? |
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wajasu |
jcamins: you must edit bldkohavm.sh and tweak to point to your ISO, and preseed.cfg. I had mine in /tmp, because it is /dev/shm memory for speed. # is comment in shell script. |
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wajasu |
after you run that script, you have a new iso, that is called debian-6.0.5-amd64-netinst-koha.iso, which when booted in the cdrom will auto install debian, and grab all the koha-common, dependencies. it takes 5 minutes on my box, probably 20 on yours. |
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jcamins |
wajasu: but what about in preseed.cfg? Is # a comment on that? |
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jcamins |
*in that |
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wajasu |
yes those are comments |
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jcamins |
Thanks. |
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pastebot |
"wajasu" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "koha-vm-builder.sh early-release: using libvirt command line, boot installs the koha debian auto-install image. using a bridge br1, and virt-type=kvm" (82 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/449 |
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wajasu |
jcamins: i've got an appointment in 20minutes. but will be back in 2-3 hours and can help give support later today. |
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jcamins |
wajasu: thanks for sharing! |
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wajasu |
i'm using libvirt, because we can leverage/target lvm, lxc, kvm, etc. |
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wajasu |
the thing i was successful in was booting, then adding git, and then kohaclone, with a koha-dev running against the same database. |
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mtompset |
So, jcamins, why use packages over a git install? |
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jcamins |
mtompset: maintenance. |
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wajasu |
the user:pass is koha-biblio/koh-biblio see /etc/koha/passwd. |
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wajasu |
really everything is driven in the preseed.cfg |
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wajasu |
i was also able to use sshfs to mount my kohaclone git on my host OS, and added another apache virtual host pointing to that, using the same database. so i can code in my host os. |
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jcamins |
That last part is pretty cool. |
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jcamins |
mtompset: with packages, I don't have to worry about upgrades going wrong. |
| 14:54 |
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jcamins |
With git, I do. |
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wajasu |
yes. and i was going to just add a script in the vm that you run to support git development. and a commented sshfs line in fstab. |
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wajasu |
i had another idea: using autofs and sshfs to autmount my git dev environment upon accesssing a certain directory in the VM. |
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wajasu |
and i wonder if i accessed something like /home/koha/bugNNNN, that it would automount, and sent the git command to switch to that branch. AND show the current git branch in my command prompt :) |
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jcamins |
Ooh. That'd be pretty slick. |
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wajasu |
...and create instances of the database like koha-bugNNNN as needed or using koha-create or such. so a flxible kohadev VM can happen. |
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wajasu |
you can then run this from jenkins, and do continous integration. |
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jcamins |
:) |
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jcamins |
That's my kind of idea. :) |
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wajasu |
if you had all the perl packages ????-perl that are in the koha-common to the preseed file, the auto install could do that part if one did not want to use koha common. |
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wajasu |
we all want the same thing. a solid dev environment, that we can trust the integrity for patches/QA and saves time to refactor/code. |
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wajasu |
you could even expose your VM on the internet and collaborate with another koha dev, and let them sign in or expose the VNC session to share it. |
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Oak |
\o |
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wajasu |
now if all these features were in a koha-dev vm, folks could collaborate even more. and the wiki could walk them through. |
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mtompset |
Woo hoo! It worked. |
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mtompset |
Now tomorrow, I shall attempt an upgrade for the first time. :) |
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mtompset |
Hi, Oak. |
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* mtompset |
waves good bye. |
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Oak |
hello mtompset :) |
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* wajasu |
there was much cheer and jubulation |
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reiveune |
bye |
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* wajasu |
back in a couple of hours |
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nengard |
Is there a problem with the RFC template? |
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nengard |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ttributes_in_circ |
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nengard |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]imed_Returned_RFC |
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nengard |
if you edit those pages they have content - but they show up as blank |
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cait |
hm we might have broken it |
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nengard |
we? |
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wahanui |
we are very happy 3.6.3 users now |
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nengard |
heh |
| 17:49 |
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cait |
kyleh had accidently put a new page into the template |
| 17:49 |
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nengard |
oh |
| 17:49 |
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cait |
and dobrica tried to fix it |
| 17:49 |
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nengard |
hmmm |
| 17:49 |
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cait |
probably something went wrong |
| 17:49 |
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cait |
but I don't know anything about how the templates work :( |
| 17:49 |
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nengard |
yeah me either |
| 17:49 |
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nengard |
maybe i'll email the list |
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Oak |
you did \o/ |
| 17:54 |
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cait |
? |
| 17:54 |
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cait |
Oak? |
| 17:54 |
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wahanui |
i guess Oak is Arslan. I am a student doing masters in Library Science (2nd semester). I am a web developer and work in Joomla. or good |
| 17:55 |
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Oak |
she emailed the list |
| 17:56 |
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Oak |
never mind |
| 17:56 |
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Oak |
cait? |
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wahanui |
That's Ms. Cait to you! or in a very good mood today :) or a librarian, you will get wahanui's information or a hero |
| 17:57 |
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cait |
hm? |
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Oak |
time changes everything |
| 17:58 |
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drojf |
hi #koha |
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mbalmer |
hi drojf... |
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mbalmer |
all got back home safe? |
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cait |
hi drojf |
| 18:00 |
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cait |
home safe? |
| 18:03 |
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drojf |
hi mbalmer and cait! safe yes, but with delay and a later flight |
| 18:03 |
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cait |
ah |
| 18:03 |
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mbalmer |
oh that sucks... |
| 18:03 |
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cait |
hope everything goes well for me tomorrow |
| 18:04 |
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cait |
don't want to be stuck in zürich |
| 18:04 |
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mbalmer |
still in edin, cait? |
| 18:04 |
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cait |
yeah |
| 18:04 |
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cait |
my flight is tomorrow |
| 18:04 |
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mbalmer |
cool |
| 18:04 |
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cait |
<- vacation ;) |
| 18:04 |
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drojf |
but i met dpavlin and mglavica and had a last ale before the flight ;) |
| 18:05 |
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cait |
oooh nice :) |
| 18:06 |
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drojf |
would have been nice to get some voucher for refreshments from lufthansa in düsseldorf though, i ate only a pretzel since breakfast |
| 18:06 |
|
drojf |
but well, another beer on the second flight :D |
| 18:06 |
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drojf |
i think i am 2 hours later now than planned, lost track of that a little |
| 18:06 |
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cait |
2 hours is not all that bad |
| 18:06 |
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cait |
I got to nz 24 hours late last time ;) |
| 18:06 |
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drojf |
no! |
| 18:06 |
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drojf |
bah |
| 18:07 |
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drojf |
yeah it was ok, they seem to fly often frim ddorf to berlin |
| 18:07 |
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drojf |
from |
| 18:08 |
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francharb |
hey all |
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rangi |
hey its my robot friend francharb ! |
| 18:08 |
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francharb |
delayed (hopefully) bags in my case |
| 18:08 |
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francharb |
hi rangi |
| 18:08 |
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cait |
oh |
| 18:08 |
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francharb |
but at least i'm home |
| 18:09 |
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cait |
didn't get them at the airprort? |
| 18:09 |
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francharb |
nope |
| 18:09 |
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francharb |
and they didn't know where they were |
| 18:09 |
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drojf |
it seemed all flights were delayed at some point |
| 18:09 |
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francharb |
maybe in amsterdam (my connection flight) |
| 18:09 |
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rangi |
oh man, you have caught my lost luggage disease |
| 18:09 |
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francharb |
cross fingers for getting them tonight or tomorrow! |
| 18:10 |
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francharb |
ahah |
| 18:10 |
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cait |
francharb: at least lots of flights between there and home... hope you get them soon |
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francharb |
I looks like that |
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francharb |
I hope too |
| 18:10 |
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drojf |
it's probably better to lose them on the way back |
| 18:10 |
|
* liw |
mentions his favorite travel website ever: http://www.onebag.com/ |
| 18:10 |
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cait |
they lost mine too when coming back from nz :P |
| 18:10 |
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cait |
so it originated from me maybe |
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francharb |
drojf++ |
| 18:10 |
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* drojf |
is happy that all luggage and ales are here with me :D |
| 18:10 |
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francharb |
that's right |
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wahanui |
I know. |
| 18:11 |
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francharb |
hehe |
| 18:11 |
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francharb |
and the principal is with me (my computer) so... |
| 18:11 |
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drojf |
21kg, 6kg more than on the way to edinburgh! |
| 18:11 |
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drojf |
francharb: yes at least you can wait online ;) |
| 18:12 |
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francharb |
:) |
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drojf |
cait: whats happening in edinburgh tonight? |
| 18:12 |
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francharb |
And I've been able to prepare my meeting tomorrow.... :) |
| 18:12 |
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francharb |
I need to book my train tickets by the way |
| 18:12 |
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francharb |
bbl |
| 18:14 |
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oleonard |
Are you home rangi ? |
| 18:14 |
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rangi |
nope |
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rangi |
i catch a bus at 3am to the mare port |
| 18:15 |
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francharb |
0_0 |
| 18:15 |
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rangi |
then 7 zillion hours later |
| 18:15 |
|
rangi |
i get home |
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drojf |
heh |
| 18:15 |
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liw |
range, 3am? ouch |
| 18:15 |
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liw |
rangi, even |
| 18:15 |
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rangi |
yeah, im having words with the travel agent when i get back |
| 18:15 |
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liw |
rangi, then you have time for one of the Edinburgh night-time underground horror zombie vampire serial killer tours? :) |
| 18:15 |
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rangi |
early flight ... then 14 hours in singapore ... |
| 18:16 |
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cait |
drojf: sleep soon I think :) went shopping with rangi today, lots of walking ... *glares at rangi* |
| 18:16 |
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rangi |
hehe |
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rangi |
liw: robin did one of those last night |
| 18:16 |
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rangi |
we did a literary pub tour earlier too |
| 18:16 |
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rangi |
which was a lot of fun |
| 18:16 |
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liw |
nice |
| 18:17 |
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rangi |
its a lovely city |
| 18:17 |
|
liw |
were deep-fried mars bars consumed? |
| 18:17 |
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drojf |
funny that marijana told me alcohol would lessen the pressure problems while flying but i lost almost all hearing on the right ear after having an ale |
| 18:17 |
|
* oleonard |
is jealous of your long spell in Edinburgh |
| 18:17 |
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cait |
yep - and they talked loud and clear too , good for me :) (literary pub tour) |
| 18:17 |
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drojf |
the pub tour was really nice |
| 18:17 |
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rangi |
liw: nope, but i ate about 7 more teacakes than i probably should have |
| 18:18 |
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cait |
heh |
| 18:18 |
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francharb |
It's like it was a pub tour everyday... |
| 18:18 |
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cait |
he didn't share with us! |
| 18:18 |
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liw |
rangi, good, the mars bars are not a good idea :) |
| 18:18 |
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cait |
deserves you right :P |
| 18:18 |
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rangi |
and my bloodstream is now irn bru |
| 18:18 |
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francharb |
rangi, I wanted to try this but didn't have time |
| 18:18 |
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francharb |
so tonight, if you can |
| 18:18 |
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drojf |
rangi: fiery irn bru? ;) |
| 18:18 |
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francharb |
try a deep-fried mars bar |
| 18:18 |
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francharb |
it sounds like a local treat |
| 18:19 |
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drojf |
francharb: have you seen it somewhere? i only read about it |
| 18:19 |
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rangi |
i think ill just be going to sleep soon |
| 18:19 |
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francharb |
drojf, yep |
| 18:19 |
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francharb |
near grass marke |
| 18:19 |
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francharb |
t |
| 18:19 |
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rangi |
but we have deep fried moro bars in nz |
| 18:19 |
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drojf |
i bet it's strangely delicious |
| 18:19 |
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rangi |
ive had one of those |
| 18:19 |
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francharb |
and they have deep fried pizza as well |
| 18:19 |
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rangi |
its incredibly messy |
| 18:19 |
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francharb |
I bet |
| 18:19 |
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francharb |
:) |
| 18:20 |
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francharb |
I wish I had tested this... |
| 18:20 |
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drojf |
try it at home |
| 18:20 |
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francharb |
maybe one day! |
| 18:20 |
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francharb |
drojf, hehe |
| 18:20 |
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drojf |
i suppose you have mars bars |
| 18:20 |
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drojf |
in france i mean |
| 18:20 |
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cait |
francharb: what about meeting again here next yeear? :) |
| 18:20 |
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rangi |
heh |
| 18:20 |
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drojf |
or talk to mveron and try to make it in the dishwasher :D |
| 18:20 |
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cait |
I skipped the fish and chips... |
| 18:20 |
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cait |
and the chocolate fudge cake |
| 18:21 |
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francharb |
I need to find a fryer |
| 18:21 |
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cait |
drojf: heh |
| 18:21 |
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francharb |
and yep drojf, we have mars bars |
| 18:21 |
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francharb |
:) |
| 18:21 |
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rangi |
we did have indian food tho, you cant get much more scottish than that :) |
| 18:21 |
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drojf |
cait: i also missed the fudge store |
| 18:21 |
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francharb |
rangi, that's right! |
| 18:21 |
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drojf |
not enough time for sweetseeing |
| 18:21 |
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cait |
drojf: rangi pointed that out ot me today... but I should have bought more |
| 18:22 |
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drojf |
i should have gone at all |
| 18:22 |
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francharb |
The funny thing is I like indian food better in the UK than in India.... |
| 18:22 |
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francharb |
weird... |
| 18:22 |
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wahanui |
weird is normal after a while :) |
| 18:22 |
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drojf |
but i have my ales. i think that will make me quite happy |
| 18:22 |
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francharb |
:) |
| 18:22 |
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cait |
they had those little pieses on plates for testing |
| 18:22 |
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drojf |
ooooh |
| 18:22 |
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rangi |
we found the fudge and whisky stores today, much joy was had by all :) |
| 18:22 |
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cait |
I bought one block and took a little piece before I wnet out... had to go straight back into the shop to buy another |
| 18:22 |
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drojf |
hahahaha |
| 18:22 |
|
* drojf |
is jealous |
| 18:22 |
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mbalmer |
in these scottish stores they sold condoms with a whisky taste, strange guys, these scots... |
| 18:23 |
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francharb |
cait, the fudge house? |
| 18:23 |
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cait |
hm no I think something with candy in the name |
| 18:23 |
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drojf |
oh not the fudge house? ok, then we can go again together. next year or so ;) |
| 18:24 |
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francharb |
mbalmer, just next to the whisky condom, you can also but a 4£ fake vagina... |
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francharb |
realllly strange |
| 18:24 |
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drojf |
francharb: with whiskey taste? |
| 18:24 |
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francharb |
sorry for sharring that |
| 18:24 |
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francharb |
by the way |
| 18:24 |
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drojf |
lol |
| 18:24 |
|
* mbalmer |
wonders in which store francharb was... |
| 18:24 |
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francharb |
a random pub |
| 18:24 |
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francharb |
:) |
| 18:25 |
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francharb |
but for sure, we could doubt that |
| 18:25 |
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francharb |
but I swear it was in a pub! |
| 18:25 |
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francharb |
:) |
| 18:25 |
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drojf |
yes they had condom machines often, i never had a look. should have, seems to be interesting ;) |
| 18:25 |
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mbalmer |
but for 4 pound, you can get a real whisky ;) |
| 18:26 |
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francharb |
i should have take a picture |
| 18:26 |
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francharb |
mbalmer, and it's way more fun! |
| 18:26 |
|
drojf |
i wonder when my hearing will return, it gets irritating. |
| 18:27 |
|
cait |
dring some beer? |
| 18:27 |
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francharb |
s/some/lot |
| 18:27 |
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cait |
it broke after you had the ale... so ale might fix it ,) |
| 18:27 |
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francharb |
and forget eveyrthing |
| 18:27 |
|
francharb |
;) |
| 18:27 |
|
* rangi |
has 4 beers from slef |
| 18:27 |
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drojf |
that would make everything less irritating at least :D |
| 18:28 |
|
rangi |
but all safely packed away |
| 18:28 |
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francharb |
time for diner here! |
| 18:28 |
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mbalmer |
is evergreen a good ils? |
| 18:28 |
|
rangi |
yup |
| 18:28 |
|
francharb |
for those who travel today or tomorrow, travel safe! |
| 18:28 |
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drojf |
mbalmer: fed up with the koha crowd already? |
| 18:28 |
|
rangi |
thanks francharb |
| 18:28 |
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mbalmer |
drojf, not at all. |
| 18:29 |
|
drojf |
or is there an evergreen conference in some nice place? ;) |
| 18:29 |
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francharb |
see ya! |
| 18:29 |
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drojf |
bye francharb |
| 18:29 |
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drojf |
bon appetit |
| 18:29 |
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francharb_afk |
:) |
| 18:29 |
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francharb_afk |
thanks |
| 18:29 |
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mbalmer |
drojf, they use pg and qt, two nice things. |
| 18:30 |
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cait |
I think it is a nice ils |
| 18:30 |
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mbalmer |
is it used a lot? |
| 18:30 |
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drojf |
i only remember they were lacking acquisition when i looked for a system for us |
| 18:30 |
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cait |
lots of libraries in US do |
| 18:31 |
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mbalmer |
imo, koha has the huge advantage of a large and vibrant community |
| 18:31 |
|
rangi |
http://www.librarytechnology.o[…].pl?ILS=Evergreen |
| 18:32 |
|
rangi |
http://www.librarytechnology.org/map.pl?ILS=Koha |
| 18:33 |
|
drojf |
wow that is extremely north america centered, i didn't know |
| 18:33 |
|
* oleonard |
wonders if Evergreen has good i18n features |
| 18:33 |
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cait |
drojf: I think they have acq and serials now |
| 18:33 |
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drojf |
yes i think so too |
| 18:33 |
|
drojf |
but we are not gonna change now ;) |
| 18:33 |
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cait |
back when we (BSZ) started looking at koha and evergreen they hadn't |
| 18:33 |
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mbalmer |
oleonard, it must, since it is based on qt. |
| 18:34 |
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drojf |
the koha map looks way more balanced and nicer |
| 18:34 |
|
drojf |
not the system's fault though i guess |
| 18:34 |
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wizzyrea |
well evergreen was commissioned for a huge library system in Georgia US |
| 18:34 |
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drojf |
none in greenland. yet |
| 18:35 |
|
* drojf |
claims the artic |
| 18:35 |
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wizzyrea |
so it's got a distinct north american bias in terms of who exactly it serves |
| 18:35 |
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drojf |
arctic even |
| 18:35 |
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wizzyrea |
(at the moment) |
| 18:39 |
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drojf |
alright, will try to get some scampi done and put on a salad. bbl |
| 18:39 |
|
rangi |
http://untappd.com/user/ranginui |
| 18:39 |
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drojf |
those that still have to travel, have a safe and not too long way back |
| 18:40 |
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rangi |
my trip, in beers |
| 18:40 |
|
* cait |
rolls eyes at the nz beer snobs ;) |
| 18:40 |
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drojf |
i wish i had done that, then i would remember what all i had |
| 18:40 |
|
drojf |
i remember abbott ale in the airport ;) |
| 18:40 |
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drojf |
i think its spelled wrong |
| 18:41 |
|
rhcl |
on librarytechnology.org, is it possible to view a country with the ILSs used there? I can't seem to find a link that will let me do that |
| 18:42 |
|
rangi |
not with the map |
| 18:42 |
|
rangi |
but you can do a search in libwebcats |
| 18:43 |
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oleonard |
The distribution of Koha on the map really is a beautiful sight to behold. |
| 18:43 |
|
rangi |
http://librarytechnology.org/libwebcats/ |
| 18:44 |
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bag |
cool rangi I like tracking a trip in beers :) |
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| 18:44 |
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cait |
oleonard: thereis only one flaw with the map - not enough entries for germany yet :) |
| 18:45 |
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mbalmer |
we will change that ;P |
| 18:45 |
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oleonard |
I'd like to see more in Eastern Europe, Russia, and Asia |
| 18:45 |
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cait |
drojf should enter his library :) |
| 18:45 |
|
cait |
*hint* |
| 18:46 |
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cait |
oleonard: asia... hm... you should go on a mission there and fix it :) |
| 18:48 |
|
* oleonard |
wonders if China has a state-mandated ILS |
| 18:49 |
|
rangi |
https://mmitblog.wordpress.com[…]/12/kohacon-2012/ <-- nice blog post from kate |
| 18:56 |
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cait |
:) |
| 18:57 |
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mbalmer |
my next iteration of MARC support in PostgreSQL will be able to directly read in MARC files using the so-called foreign data wrappers. |
| 18:58 |
|
mbalmer |
PostgreSQL++ |
| 18:58 |
|
wajasu |
nice |
| 19:01 |
|
drojf |
cait: i'm pretty sure i did |
| 19:01 |
|
drojf |
enter my library i mean |
| 19:01 |
|
cait |
ah |
| 19:01 |
|
cait |
didn't check lately |
| 19:02 |
|
drojf |
and pretended to be using koha love already ;) |
| 19:02 |
|
* cait |
checks the map |
| 19:03 |
|
drojf |
i did not put much info in yet but it should know where we are |
| 19:04 |
|
drojf |
yeah, huge salad. i missed that in edinburgh. should have gone to an italian restaurant maybe |
| 19:05 |
|
cait |
you seemed happy enough with beer :) |
| 19:05 |
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jcamins_away |
Mmm. Salad. |
| 19:05 |
|
cait |
and you are rehabilitated - the library is on the map :) |
| 19:05 |
|
jcamins_away |
We're going to have a nice salad for dinner tonight. :) |
| 19:05 |
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cait |
jcamins_away: I made a fudge photo for you! |
| 19:05 |
|
jcamins_away |
It's a co-op night! |
| 19:05 |
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jcamins_away |
cait: oh? |
| 19:05 |
|
cait |
yeah, it's still on my phone tho |
| 19:06 |
|
cait |
we found a fudge store... and I should so have bought more.. *sigh* |
| 19:06 |
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oleonard |
Alright, no more procrastinating. Time to get the jquery datepicker working on the holiday calendar |
| 19:06 |
|
cait |
yayQ |
| 19:06 |
|
jcamins_away |
Oh, the one on the royal mile? |
| 19:06 |
|
* cait |
cheers oleonard on |
| 19:06 |
|
cait |
the new tabs are very nice and shiny |
| 19:06 |
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cait |
hm not sure |
| 19:06 |
|
cait |
rangi found it |
| 19:06 |
|
cait |
I think it was somewhere around the grassmarket |
| 19:07 |
|
cait |
I got a block of baileys and a block of caramell |
| 19:07 |
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jcamins_away |
Mmm. |
| 19:07 |
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liw |
cait, what you need is someone who's willing to send you tinned fudge by mail, obviously |
| 19:07 |
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oleonard |
Fudge is a thing there? |
| 19:07 |
|
mbalmer |
I want to be able to do select marc_field(marc21', '245$a') to get at MARC subfields, and I need a syntax to set marc fields. |
| 19:08 |
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cait |
oleonard: yep |
| 19:08 |
|
cait |
and liw: sounds exensive... but yes...:) |
| 19:09 |
|
* wizzyrea |
gives oleonard something healthy to fuel him on |
| 19:09 |
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cait |
wizzyrea: fudge is not healthy? |
| 19:09 |
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jcamins_away |
cait: only if it has chocolate in it. |
| 19:11 |
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jcamins_away |
That's why I always make chocolate fudge varieties. |
| 19:12 |
|
* jcamins_away |
respects his wife's goal to eat healthy. |
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cait |
lol |
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cait |
then it's not healty what I bought :) |
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cait |
will keep it all to myself so noone else gets endangered |
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jcamins_away |
This is why I make *chocolate* Bailey's fudge. |
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jcamins_away |
:D |
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drojf |
lol |
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rangi |
hey eythian |
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wahanui |
eythian is in NZ. ;) or a good influence |
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eythian |
hi |
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eythian |
thought you'd gone to sleep |
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* cait |
waves |
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eythian |
hello |
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wahanui |
what's up, eythian |
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drojf |
hi eythian |
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rangi |
sposta be, but my brain is not cooperating |
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eythian |
ah right |
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eythian |
did you want to leave me your SIM card for Stacey? |
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eythian |
hi drojf |
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rangi |
ahh actually i was gonna use it at heathrow |
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eythian |
oh right |
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* oleonard |
is pleased with the drastic reduction in complexity the jqueryUI datepicker will bring |
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jcamins |
Reduced_complexity++ |
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* oleonard |
might actually get this one submitted tomorrow. |
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oleonard |
Until then #koha |
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* oleonard |
waves |
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roygbivovac |
hi |
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wahanui |
salut, roygbivovac |
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roygbivovac |
I've got this trivial question... |
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wizzyrea |
shoot :) |
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roygbivovac |
I'm trying to install koha on a virtual machine,I need to type the upside down hat like this lamp-server^, How can I type it? |
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roygbivovac |
ok got it - shift 6 |
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mbalmer |
hmm, we got more patches in koha than we got koha customers, we ate doing sth wrong in .ch, I guess ;) |
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mbalmer |
s/ate/are/ |
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mbalmer |
in the long term, any compley database application probably has to settle on one database server system. |
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dpavlin |
I'm back from kohacon and I'm still amazed how you can read e-mails all day but when you really meet people they are so much more! This goes for you all. Thanks everybody! |
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