IRC log for #koha, 2012-06-11

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02:25 mtj heres a random T::T questions... how to see/dump all T::T variables used for a page generation?
02:26 mtj i can see a few people asking the Q on perlmonks, but no real answer... :/
02:26 mtj
02:26 mtj
02:27 mtj ooh, that look like the solution? ->[…]_Global_Variables
02:28 jcamins mtj: in what way?
02:29 mtj well..., there's a tt code snippet showing a cgi object getting dumped to the screen
02:30 mtj ...that looks pretty close to what i need
02:31 jcamins I think possibly you sent the wrong link?
02:31 mtj hmm, no
02:31 mtj am i missing something stupid?
02:32 jcamins You sent a link to a brief writeup on BLOCKs.
02:32 mtj oops! :)
02:32 mtj[…]l#section_Objects
02:33 mtj objects
02:33 jcamins Hm.
02:33 jcamins That won't help.
02:33 jcamins You want to know the variables used by the template.
02:33 mtj basically, i need some code in a tt file, to identify what .pl or .tt file it was called with...
02:34 mtj yep
02:34 jcamins Okay, let's start over.
02:34 jcamins First question?
02:34 wahanui "What are you trying to do?"  "What is the goal?" or "What problem are you experiencing?"
02:35 mtj ... and see if any of that data contains and .pl or .tt strings
02:36 jcamins Yeah, you'll definitely have to explain what you want to do.
02:37 mtj so i'm trying to write a bit of TT code, to identify if it was generated by, basically...
02:38 jcamins Have pass in a particular argument.
02:39 jcamins (and whatever other pages you're interested in)
02:39 jcamins Or, use the variable that tells you what your current URL is.
02:40 mtj yep, sure... i was trying for a patch that didnt modify, needlessly
02:41 mtj i might just add that 1-liner to - for the quick-fix :)
02:41 jcamins It depends what the patch is for, but I feel pretty sure that it would make more sense to modify opac-main.
02:42 jcamins Though, I'm also having trouble seeing why more than one Perl file would be calling a particular template, unless it's an include.
02:42 mtj i was hoping that some currently available info was already being passed to the template
02:42 jcamins And if it's an include, it shouldn't be page-specific.
02:42 mtj click, you are correct here! :)
02:43 mtj ok, i got it sorted now :p  - thanx for the brain-SLAP!!!
02:45 mtj still, an interesting thing i would like to see...
02:45 mtj ... a way to dump all data-structures for a template object
02:46 jcamins That would be very difficult to do.
02:46 jcamins I think tying the hash would really be the best option.
02:46 jcamins Well, after sleeping, which is the very best option of all.
02:46 jcamins Good night.
02:47 mtj hmmm, looks close ->[…]lugin/Dumper.html
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04:18 * Oak waves
04:19 druthb hi, Oak! :)
04:19 Oak hello druthb :)
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05:24 rangi Yay
05:25 Oak hey rangi :)
05:25 Oak what happened?
05:25 rangi Try googling for koha or koha community
05:25 rangi Looks like its all fixed
05:26 Oak "Official Website of the Koha Open Source ILS" \o/
05:28 Oak or was it always like that? the "Official" part?
05:29 rangi Hmm can't recall
05:29 rangi It had dropped right out of the results for a few days
05:29 Oak ah
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05:37 Oak pressing close X button now closes xchat instead of minimizing it...
05:37 Oak to tray
05:55 mtj woo, looks like i just sent you some 'topical' email rangi  :p
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06:41 reiveune hello
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06:44 cait hi reiveune :)
06:44 reiveune hi cait :)
06:46 mle hi cait, hi reivenue
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06:49 slef blurgh
06:50 slef ok, place your bets... will I get home today, tomorrow or later? ;)
06:52 cait hi mle - are you wearing your debian kilt today?
06:53 cait slef: you want to leave?
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07:00 julian_m hello
07:05 mle ty for reminding me cait
07:05 * mle rummags for a kilt
07:06 mle rummages about even
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07:17 drojf good morning #koha
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07:27 * Oak waves
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08:13 clrh hello
08:13 jransom hi theree
08:14 sophie_m good morning #koha
08:14 mrenvoize good morning all (those in the uk anyways..)
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08:15 mveron Good morning #koha
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08:21 alex_a bonjour!
08:23 matts hello !
08:31 mveron Still no confirmation mail for Wiki access. Would like to do some documentation for the age restriction functionality.
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08:46 slef mveron: wiki mail is down, sadly, because of the number of spammers. We need a better solution. Search irc logs for gmcharlt's comments
08:47 slef mveron: currently I think we have to beg gmcharlt or thd-away` to approve accounts manually, which does not scale.
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09:24 samuel hi everybody
09:31 eythian jcamins_away: almost have the oldstable ready to go, just adding the dependencies to it.
09:36 mrenvoize wikiwise.. we use "ConfirmAccount" + "ConfirmEdit" at a number of my wiki's the prevent the spam problem.. human spammers still get through to the admins, but as long as you've got a good number of admins on the wiki then it's reasonably easy to sort the cruft form the real users.
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09:49 mle i forgot my heafphones.  can anyone lend me some for editing?
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09:52 mib_sdyg8l getting software error when clicking first title of the 2nd page to view title details ver. 3.6.4
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09:57 Brooke howdy tj
09:58 paul_p Hi Brooke !
09:59 Brooke bonjour
09:59 Brooke you have been very busy :D
09:59 Brooke ta for all the hard work
09:59 * Brooke needs think over some of the listserv stuff.
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10:11 Brooke hi cait
10:14 cait hi Brooke
10:14 Brooke how's it going?
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10:36 cait
10:36 rangi git clone git://
10:36 cait[…]ols.git;a=summary
10:37 jransom heya brooke
10:37 Brooke ahoy
10:43 eythian jcamins_away: 3.6 packages are uploading into the 'oldstable' repo. Can you give it a bit of a test and if it looks good, I'll update the wiki
10:48 rangi dpavlin_away: Can't locate Plack/Middleware/Debug/
10:49 rangi clrh:
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10:52 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
10:52 Brooke howdy
10:52 wahanui hi, Brooke
10:53 mtompset Hello, Brooke.
10:54 clrh julian_m: and Joubu enters the scoreboard ;)
10:55 clrh mveron: cait vat is back ;)[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5335
10:55 huginn Bug 5335: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , More granular VAT
10:57 dpavlin_away rangi: good catch. Just remove Koha from enable_if { $ENV{PLACK_DEBUG} } 'Debug',  panels => [
10:58 dpavlin I will re-submit patch without that dependency
10:59 rangi ta
11:01 rangi dpavlin: up and running now
11:01 rangi what would you like me to test?
11:02 dpavlin rangi: 8180 and 8183 if possible :-)
11:04 rangi righto looking now
11:08 mveron clrh: Thanks regarding 5335, already testing
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11:09 Oak Brooke !
11:10 Oak Ahoy jcamins and cait
11:10 jcamins Greetings.
11:10 Oak :)
11:10 jcamins eythian: I'll take a look at the oldstable.
11:10 cait hi Oak and jcamins :)
11:11 * magnuse waves
11:12 Oak magnuse
11:12 magnuse Oak
11:12 mtompset Greetings, Oak.
11:13 Oak Greetings mtompset :)
11:13 mtompset Out of curiosity, has anyone every discussed programming style?
11:14 kyleh_[…]ing-books-120610/
11:14 magnuse mtompset: something like[…]Coding_Guidelines ?
11:14 mtompset I was noticing that, for example, qw() can be qw/.../ or qw(...) or qw{   }?
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11:15 Oak @wunder islamabad
11:15 huginn Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 39.0°C (4:00 PM PKT on June 11, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 20%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Steady).
11:15 mtompset Thanks, magnuse, that is a useful link.
11:16 eythian jcamins: btw I cleaned all the old 3.2 stuff out of the repo, it was totally unreferenced.
11:17 jcamins Thanks.
11:18 magnuse eythian++
11:22 mtompset how did you know it was unreferenced?
11:24 magnuse is there already a bug for records from number 1000 not being sorted properly? it's mentioned in bug 8225, which is mostly a duplicate of bug 7894 anyway
11:24 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8225 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Problem to view title details in OPAC result
11:24 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7894 blocker, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Broken detail page for first link on page 2 from search result page in OPAC
11:26 cait magnuse: i think you have to change a zebra setting
11:26 cait magnuse: sth like a known issue, more sorting, slower...
11:26 magnuse cait: is it documented anywhere?
11:26 cait hmmm
11:26 cait I think it was on the mailinglist... or the wiki... or bugzilla
11:26 cait I don#t know where I have seen it actually
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11:26 magnuse hehe
11:27 jcamins etc/zebradb/zebra-biblios.cfg
11:27 jcamins sortmax.
11:28 mtompset Let's say I have 3.6.3 installed.
11:29 mtompset What's the best way to upgrade to 3.8.1?
11:29 magnuse thanks jcamins!
11:29 jcamins mtompset: install 3.8.1 in the same way you installed 3.6.3.
11:29 mtompset from scratch?
11:30 mtompset How do I transport my data and settings over then?
11:30 jcamins mtompset: using tarball, packages, whichever.
11:30 magnuse jcamins: any plans on getting the solution for bug 7894 into 3.6.x?
11:30 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7894 blocker, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Broken detail page for first link on page 2 from search result page in OPAC
11:30 jcamins mtompset: did you read the section on upgrading in the install documentation?
11:30 mtompset upgrading documentation?
11:31 jcamins mtompset: read INSTALL.debian.
11:31 clrh and after lunch I'll provide a new Continupous integration page :)
11:31 mtompset ubuntu. :P
11:31 bengard can someone sign off on my sign off on bug 7401 ?
11:31 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7401 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Shelving Location facet instead of Branch facet when only 1 branch configured
11:31 matts slef, will you have a look at bug 7294 or shall i find another victim ? :)
11:31 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7294 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, matthias.meusburger, Needs Signoff , status "in order"
11:31 jcamins That's okay. Read the upgrading section in INSTALL.debian.
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11:33 jcamins magnuse: yes, I'll push that to 3.6-testing now, and it'll go into 3.6.6.
11:33 juan_sieira hi,
11:33 magnuse jcamins: yay!
11:33 magnuse hola juan_sieira!
11:33 juan_sieira I got to confirm an error when editing subfields, in adminitration
11:33 juan_sieira I saw it in this way ... now
11:33 juan_sieira[…]adconstraints.png
11:33 juan_sieira firefox or chrome
11:34 slef matts: if you want it today I think you will need to find a new victim. I've fires starting left right and centre
11:34 mtompset /path/to/koha-install-log? Where is it by default?
11:34 slef mtompset: I guess /usr/share/koha/misc
11:34 juan_sieira at current master
11:34 slef mtompset: locate koha-install-log || find /usr/share/koha -name koha-install-log
11:35 nacht first time here hy all
11:35 matts slef, okay !
11:35 matts mveron, will you be my victim ?
11:35 matts :)
11:35 matts if you could test 7294 for signoff it would be greeeeeeeeat :)
11:36 juan_sieira Hi magnuse
11:37 magnuse welcome, nacht
11:37 nacht ow hey
11:38 juan_sieira magnuse, can you confirm this error in current master?
11:38 cait hi nacht - german?
11:38 nacht nope from Belgium i got this link on Kohacon12
11:39 cait ah :)
11:40 cait nacht means night in German, so was wondering
11:40 slef matts: mveron says he is running away
11:40 slef matts: watch...
11:40 mveron matts: 7294 ?
11:43 magnuse juan_sieira: yes, i see it
11:43 juan_sieira uff¡, ok
11:43 magnuse wow, that's weird
11:43 juan_sieira it's not me, its a good - bad notice
11:44 juan_sieira I'm redoing a patch, and when I were editing I saw it. I cant finish it, without fix this error
11:46 juan_sieira I'm creating a new bug in bugzilla
11:47 magnuse juan_sieira: excellent! ;-)
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11:57 marcelr hi koha, hi scotland
11:57 mveron hi marcelr
11:57 marcelr goedenmiddag :-)
12:00 mveron Hoe is het ermee?
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12:02 marcelr goed, weer veilig thuis en zo
12:03 oleonard Hi #koha
12:03 marcelr hi oleonard
12:03 juan_sieira hi oleonard
12:05 mtompset Greetings, oleonard.
12:06 mtompset Did you get my message about the CSS not over-riding?
12:08 oleonard mtompset: Yes, just now
12:08 mveron Maybe you all know the following link, something to smile. It is in Spanish, but you will understand...
12:08 mveron
12:23 jcamins paul_p: around?
12:26 rangi he's at lunch
12:27 jcamins Okay.
12:27 jcamins Thanks.
12:28 slef the kittens thank you
12:29 mtompset I think is better. :P
12:34 magnuse ooh 196 kittens!
12:34 eythian mtompset: because 'reprepro dumpunreferenced' told me
12:37 mtompset Is that a script you wrote?
12:45 eythian mtompset: no, it's a debian repository management utility
12:45 oleonard rangi did the Google indexing problem get resolved?
12:46 mtompset Ah. Sounds like a useful utility. :)
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12:53 jcamins eythian: oldstable works perfectly. :)
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13:00 mtompset oldstable? sounds like Old Faithful. ;)
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13:02 rangi oleonard: it appears to have come right, but from all the reading it looks like to be safe we should change the link so they dont dump us again
13:02 oleonard Did we get specific feedback about it?
13:03 jcamins eythian: right now the packages do not support DOM indexing, and I can't quite figure out how to add support for that. Any hints?
13:04 rangi oleonard: no, they never ever ever do that
13:04 eythian jcamins: what does it require?
13:04 rangi since then we might work out their algorithm
13:04 jcamins eythian: just adding an option to choose what you tell the Makefile.
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13:04 oleonard It doesn't look to me like anything has changed about the way the site is indexed
13:04 rangi they just changed the way the algorithm works and penalised us (and tons of others)
13:05 rangi no its just the way they rank it
13:05 rangi indexing is the same
13:05 libsysguy have we petitioned?
13:05 rangi i suspect they reverted their change, which is why you can find the site again
13:05 libsysguy its becuase of the footer right?
13:05 rangi thats one guess
13:05 rangi a million links from one site
13:05 libsysguy i think i remember reading something about that on their blog
13:06 rangi does kinda look like spam
13:06 rangi so i can understand it
13:06 libsysguy I can't blame them
13:06 rangi yeah
13:06 oleonard Sometimes Google is just too clever for it's own (or anyone else's) good
13:06 rangi oleonard: mtj and wizzyrea
13:06 rangi know more about it than me
13:07 oleonard In an incognito mode browser is the second result for Koha. In my "main" browser is the top link!
13:07 oleonard Thanks for nothing Google.
13:08 rangi heh
13:09 paul_p jcamins = i'm back
13:10 matts hey #koha, mveron and I just found a bug on master : when modifying a marc framework, adding a new subfield causes a strange-wrong-inclusion of header within the page... Can someone confirm this ?
13:10 oleonard matts: Bug 8229
13:10 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8229 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Tabs in marc subfield structure is not shown correctly
13:10 matts okay, know bug, then
13:11 oleonard And a simple fix too
13:11 oleonard The tab link has a full URL instead of just the anchor portion
13:11 oleonard (my mistake, I must have missed editing those)
13:12 oleonard I'll submit a patch later today if no one beats me to it
13:13 jcamins paul_p++
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13:13 * marcelr seeing lots of warnings like File does not exist: /usr/share/koha/testclone/koha-tmpl/in​tranet-tmpl/prog/en/lib/jquery/images in staff error log
13:13 jcamins libsysguy: didn't you do some work on DBIx::Class?
13:15 libsysguy not for anything that is currently implemented
13:15 libsysguy I am doing it in my proof
13:15 jcamins Yeah, I thought paul_p might be interested in seeing that work.
13:15 matts oleonard, this bug is blocking me, i'll fix it right now if the fix is simple
13:16 libsysguy i'd be more than happy to show it off, i think its still a little early to show it for actual judgement
13:16 libsysguy but for poking away it should be ok :p
13:16 jcamins "The director at my library heard of a new MARC." <-- Huh?
13:17 cait RDA?
13:17 wahanui it has been said that RDA is a room in a twisty maze of standards
13:17 jcamins cait: maybe? That's what I'm thinking.
13:18 oleonard matts: Line 80 and 82 of Remove the URL leaving just the portion starting with #
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13:18 matts oleonard, okay, thx
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13:26 matts oleonard, done
13:26 matts rangi, patch 8229 submitted (but it only counts as as paw, or whiskers, not the entire kitty)
13:28 oleonard Signed off!
13:28 matts \o/
13:29 rangi !
13:29 mtompset Hmmm... Where do I download .po files?
13:29 jcamins
13:29 wahanui hmmm... is back...
13:30 jcamins What do you call the algorithm for determing relevancy and co-occurrence?
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13:30 jcamins Cross-something?
13:31 * Oak waves
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13:31 mtompset been there, jcamins, but I can't figure out how to grab a .po file...
13:32 mtompset I don't want to try to translate anything.
13:32 jcamins mtompset: it's somewhere there.
13:32 jcamins There are tabs along the top when you're looking at a language.
13:33 cait paul_p: can you take a look at reverting 583abead1b3d537f78a3d558981b2e9abb2791ff?
13:34 cait it totally breaks installing languages
13:34 cait or we need a follow up urgently
13:36 paul_p cait= error: pathspec '583abead1b3d' did not match any file(s) known to git.. which bugnumber is it ?
13:36 mtompset None of the tabs seem to be help, jcamins. If I'm on Overview, and click any of the three .po's listed, I get thrown into translating on the translate tab.
13:37 mtompset If I go to the News tab....
13:37 cait paul_p: I can't see one :(
13:37 cait the title is
13:37 cait Subroutine prototypes used at line XXX, column 1.  See page 194 of PBP.
13:37 cait (Severity: 5)
13:37 mtompset and select a .po listed, I get thrown into the translate tab translating.
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13:38 cait it's the last commit to and it breaks perl translate install/update etc.
13:38 mtompset Interesting... I put /download on the end of the link, and it got the file.
13:38 paul_p cait, ok got it
13:38 mtompset Didn't save it, but that's progress.
13:38 paul_p reverting now
13:38 cait thanks
13:40 paul_p cait = pushed
13:41 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Revert "Subroutine prototypes used at line XXX, column 1. See page 194 of PBP." <[…]c306f8985a4234489> / Bug 4246 Follow-up updatedatabase <[…]e10dc7001671f53cc> / Talking Tech Support - Phase I - Followup 3 - Follow PBP <
13:42 jcamins mtompset: click the Translate tab.
13:42 jcamins It lets you download PO files.
13:42 jcamins mtompset: note that if you're using a release, you're much better off using the PO files that were included, generally speaking.
13:44 mtompset You're probably right, jcamins. However, a librarian colleague of mine was thinking about doing a Filipino/Tagalog translation.
13:45 mtompset I was trying to figure out how to suggest to him to go about creating this NEW translation.
13:45 jcamins mtompset: in that case you'll need to create a new translation.
13:45 jcamins I think cait can tell you how to do that. :)
13:46 mtompset I looks like .po files are simple mappings.
13:47 jcamins mtompset: yes, there are scripts to create them.
13:49 jenkins_koha Starting build #751 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #743 2 days 4 hr ago)
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13:53 * wizzyrea waves
13:53 mtompset how transportable are translation files from one version to the next?
13:54 jcamins mtompset: it varies.
13:54 * Oak waves back
13:54 mtompset based on version, or language?
13:54 jcamins Within the stable branches, there probably won't be many changes from version to version.
13:54 jcamins From 3.8 to 3.10 (for example), expect big changes.
13:54 sekjal okay, time for a meeting; later, #koha
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13:56 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #751: STILL FAILING in 7 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/751/
13:56 jenkins_koha * ian.walls: Talking Tech Support - Phase I
13:56 jenkins_koha * kyle: Talking Tech Support - Phase I - Followup - Fix Messaging Preferences
13:56 jenkins_koha * kyle: Talking Tech Support - Phase I - Followup 2 - Bugfix
13:56 jenkins_koha * kyle: Talking Tech Support - Phase I - Followup 3 - Follow PBP
13:56 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 4246 Follow-up updatedatabase
13:56 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Revert "Subroutine prototypes used at line XXX, column 1.  See page 194 of PBP."
13:56 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4246 enhancement, P4, ---, koha.sekjal, Pushed to Master , Koha support for Itiva Talking Tech phone notification service
13:57 jcamins If someone wanted to sign off on the bug 8092 follow-up, we could cheer up Jenkins.
13:57 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8092 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Koha should use CHI caching framework
13:59 jcamins Has anyone set up nginx for serving Koha's static content?
14:00 * Oak goes to wiki to search nginx
14:01 bencahill Yay!
14:01 jcamins Oak: the example of using nginx that I found forwarded all requests to Apache.
14:01 * bencahill just ran a 17:36 (2mi)
14:02 Oak :( oho
14:02 Oak bencahill: now clean sweat from the keyboard
14:03 bencahill Oak: ;)
14:03 Oak jcamins: i'll learn about it how to do it then report :)
14:04 jcamins Yay!
14:04 jcamins Oak++
14:04 Oak gracias gracias
14:05 bencahill jcamins: Hey, we got a computer with an i3-2120 (although not the one for the server), and tried koha installed in a Wubi's awesome fast! (everything we tested under 1sec) :)
14:05 * bencahill doesn't know how to describe a Wubi install...
14:05 paul_p wow... 46 patches to QA...
14:05 paul_p yesterday it was less than 10 !
14:06 hdl1 jcamins:[…]everse-proxy.html
14:06 eythian jcamins: fwiw, I'm working on packaging CHI right now
14:06 jcamins eythian: :D
14:06 * eythian has produced 10 new dependencies today, though most of them are for solr
14:07 jcamins eythian:[…]ry-amd64/Packages <-- the dependencies I have packaged for quick deployment on my servers.
14:08 jcamins Hmm.
14:08 jcamins Except for the ones that didn't make it onto my public apt repo yet.
14:09 eythian cgi::s::d::m is already in there, as is libgravatar-url-perl
14:09 eythian the others I haven't needed yet.
14:10 jcamins eythian: yeah, they're not all direct Koha dependencies.
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14:15 oleonard Did anyone take pictures at the hackfest?
14:15 dpavlin I finally managed to track down all edge cases for bug 8180 and bug 8183 which are last two "hard" bugs that we know of to make plack work.
14:15 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8180 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Needs Signoff , cataloguing/ plack scoping
14:15 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8183 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Needs Signoff , acqui/ plack scoping
14:15 dpavlin there are few more kittens waiting to be rescured for those two :-)
14:17 * oleonard wonders if he's supposed to be seeing some clever icon under the "kittens saved" column
14:17 * oleonard only sees "invalid character" squares
14:17 rangi using a mac?
14:17 oleonard PC
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14:18 rangi its a unicode char, most things support it
14:18 rangi some don't
14:18 rangi macs are notable for their bad unicode support, but normally it works for windows
14:18 oleonard Strange
14:19 eythian Maybe you're using some odd default font
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14:19 wizzyrea hm I don't see a kitten there either
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14:20 paul_p alex_a = if you want to signoff bug 8180 and 8183, you'll be thanked ;-)
14:20 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8180 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Needs Signoff , cataloguing/ plack scoping
14:20 eythian wizzyrea: because you're on OSX
14:20 * paul_p QAing non biblibre patches now...
14:21 * wizzyrea tries to think of something clever, gives up.
14:21 mgeist lol
14:21 rangi apple hates kittens
14:21 rangi and freedom
14:22 drojf damn apple
14:22 rangi and free kittens most of all
14:22 drojf they probably have a kitten jail somewhere in china
14:22 mgeist Some stray kittens, i think from the neighbor's, invaded my mom's van this weekend.  She left the windows open...
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14:24 clrh kyleh_: you put things about namespace that we show in every rfc pages :)[…]hEngine_Layer_RFC I think you edit the template
14:29 jcamins clrh: so what's step one on bug 8233?
14:29 alex_a paul_p: Okay!
14:29 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8233 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , New search engine layer - introduce solr without breaking anything else
14:29 mtompset apple hates kittens?
14:29 jcamins And freedom.
14:29 slef apple hates everyone
14:29 jcamins And ugly computer hardware.
14:30 jcamins And two button mice.
14:30 * jcamins looks forward to signing off on things that centralize the interface to Zebra.
14:31 clrh jcamins: next step is to provide a patch :)
14:31 clrh I on it
14:31 clrh :)
14:31 slef did cait just kill a kitten?
14:31 clrh break nothing but adds syspref and conf and opac simple search
14:32 clrh rangi: had installed it pon his laptop[…]hEngine_Layer_RFC
14:32 mtompset I think paul_p resurrected the kitten cait killed. ;)
14:32 * cait doesn't kill kittens
14:32 slef cait: you sounded anguished!
14:32 cait no
14:32 jcamins clrh: yay! That's the step I wanted!
14:32 mtompset Well, if fixing a bug is saving a kitten, then what is introducing one?
14:32 cait but mrenvoize has one kitten more than me!!
14:33 cait and I am trying to catch up.... :)
14:33 cait stupid flu1
14:33 jcamins Argh! Both of you have more kittens saved than me!
14:33 cait hurry on :P
14:33 jcamins Everyone is passing me by!
14:33 jcamins Unfair!
14:33 mtompset Hey, I didn't save any kittens. I hate cats. :P
14:34 cait jcamins: perhaps it's because you are not fast enough? ;)
14:34 jcamins cait: apparently so. :P
14:35 * drojf was hoping to see jcamins win the bottle of wine for most kittens so he would have to get to edinburgh to get it
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14:36 rangi new kitten photo
14:37 wizzyrea oh cool, collection codes in statistics table. Nice one.
14:38 jcamins drojf: lol
14:38 jcamins dpavlin++
14:38 slef drojf: you are a very cruel person :)
14:38 jcamins The second is still my favorite.
14:38 slef I think magnuse offered some troll or something
14:38 alex_a dpavlin: for bug 8180. When you say item.barcode must be used in framework, you mean autoBarcode syspref ?
14:38 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8180 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Needs Signoff , cataloguing/ plack scoping
14:40 dpavlin alex_a: yap. sorry if message wasn't too clear, I tried to translate what Marijana told me :-)
14:41 dpavlin and you have to have barcode field on this screen to trigger problem. I *think* that is a framework config if I'm not mistaken.
14:42 dpavlin alex_a++ I'm painfully aware that they are hard to reproduce, it took me most of day to track down why I'm seeing them and nobody else does
14:43 alex_a dpavlin: thx
14:49 rangi paul_p: can you push the last patch on 8092 please? to make jenkins happy
14:49 paul_p rangi yep, will do just after failing QA the 6175 i'm QAing
14:49 jcamins Bug 6175
14:49 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6175 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , Mismatch between marc_subfield_structure and authorised_values tables
14:56 rangi thanks
14:57 dpavlin want to try koha with plack? Bug 7844 might help... Hopefully it's now clean enough to make it work for everyone (thanks to rangi++ for last few nit-picks)
14:57 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7844 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Needs Signoff , plack scripts for developers
14:58 paul_p rangi = bug 8092 pushed
14:58 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8092 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Koha should use CHI caching framework
14:58 jcamins Yay!
14:58 rangi sweet thanks paul_p
14:58 mtompset is there a number at which 3.6 will be cut off and 3.10 introduced?
14:59 rangi and this kohacon we have sign offs from 2 couples, bob and irma and dobrica and marijana
14:59 cait :)
14:59 rangi mtompset: not a number, a time
14:59 mtompset eg 3.2.10, 3.4.11, 3.6.?
14:59 rangi no we do timebased releases
14:59 paul_p next KohaCon i'll come with my wife ;-)
14:59 jcamins rangi: and Shari and Jared. :)
14:59 paul_p (she's a mid-wife, we will have a lot of fun teaching her all those things ;-) )
14:59 rangi oh yes!
15:00 rangi 3
15:00 rangi
15:02 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_8092' <[…]60e830059aef1381e> / Bug 8092: Cheer up Jenkins on loading Cache modules <[…]5d655dbf60cf6e61d> / Bug 7411: Remove diacritics from generated userid <[…]p=koha.git;a=comm
15:02 dpavlin jcamins++ Now it's time for me to take a look where else could I insert CHI into.
15:02 mtompset thanks, rangi. :)
15:03 alex_a dpavlin: i have linked to my barcode field and i use autoBarcode. But can't reproduce :(
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15:05 tcohen is there an image depicting main opac page blocks?
15:06 tcohen (divs)
15:08 oleonard tcohen: There is an image depicting the customizable regions
15:08 slef bye everyone
15:08 mtompset Bye, slef.
15:08 tcohen bye slef
15:08 mtompset I'm taking off too.
15:08 mtompset Bye, #koha folks.
15:08 oleonard tcohen: A version of it is attached to Bug 3708
15:08 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3708 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Add another customizable region to the OPAC: right sidebar
15:09 oleonard[…]hment.cgi?id=1529
15:09 tcohen thanks oleonard
15:09 tcohen i was hoping to get it from your blog
15:09 tcohen but couldn't find it there :D
15:09 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #752: STILL FAILING in 6 min 17 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/752/
15:09 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 8004 - Items on Hold Lose Transfer After Being Scanned Twice
15:09 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7411: Remove diacritics from generated userid
15:09 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8092: Cheer up Jenkins on loading Cache modules
15:09 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8004 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Items on Hold Lose Transfer After Being Scanned Twice
15:09 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7411 normal, P3, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , remove diacritics when automatically generating userid
15:09 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8092 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Koha should use CHI caching framework
15:10 jcamins What do you mean still failing?
15:10 dpavlin jcamins: Q: would you mind if I inserted some statistic counters in Koha::Cache so we can see how much is it helping?
15:10 mtompset oleonard, is there something similar for the staff client?
15:10 jcamins Ah, nothing to do with CHI.
15:10 jcamins dpavlin: not at all!
15:10 eythian jcamins: you might want to have a look at bug 8235 some time, it'll make packaging a little bit nicer.
15:10 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8235 minor, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Packaging scripts get upset with non-Debian perl modules
15:10 jcamins Hm. I will do that when I can.
15:10 oleonard mtompset: Similar regions don't exist to that extent in the staff client
15:11 mtompset Hence my problem with CSS and not being able to over-ride things. :P
15:12 oleonard mtompset: I don't think a diagram would help you with that
15:12 mtompset Yes, but perhaps I'm coding something wrong.
15:12 mtompset A diagram would at least inform me of that.
15:12 oleonard tcohen: The original of that diagram is attached to this post: under the "Avenues of Customization" heading
15:12 oleonard mtompset: What problem are you having?
15:12 mtompset For example, #doc3 { margin: auto 10px }
15:13 mtompset or something similar... I'm going from memory.
15:13 mtompset Trying to put a nice border around the page.
15:14 oleonard mtompset: That's part of the gride framework:
15:14 mtompset Right... my attempt made everything look nice, except for #doc3 section.
15:14 dpavlin oleonard: what do you think about Bug 1918? Does it make sense to work on this a bit more? [BTW, we miss you here ;-)]
15:14 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1918 enhancement, P3, ---, dpavlin, In Discussion , Minify JavaScript and CSS
15:15 oleonard dpavlin: I still think it's a good idea
15:15 oleonard dpavlin: And I'm sorry to have missed you all
15:16 dpavlin cool. Since we didn't have a dalik attack this week, I think I'll me able to work on in a bit more in next few days.
15:16 mtompset Anyways... I'll be back tomorrow. Have a great day, everyone. :)
15:16 * oleonard doesn't like vague complaints without specific examples
15:20 * jcamins curses the IRS.
15:22 wizzyrea lol - wow, libraries and hot-rods -[…]-the-hot-rod.html
15:22 wizzyrea no, it's not a joke.
15:23 rangi heh
15:24 rangi maybe not an intentional one :)
15:26 mveron matts:
15:26 * jcamins curses the IRS again.
15:28 oleonard New dependency?
15:28 * jcamins curses bureaucracy.
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15:43 jcamins Blarglarglebargleaaaaaaaaaggggghhhhhhhh!
15:44 eythian is that your final answer?
15:45 * jwagner gives jcamins a stiff drink regardless
15:45 * hdl1 too
15:45 hdl1 And big whiskey
15:46 jcamins Thanks.
15:46 * jcamins bangs his head against the table a bit more.
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15:49 mveron Just did Git pull, have now Software Error / Can't locate Text/ in @INC
15:49 * oleonard holds jcamins' beverage for him so it doesn't spill
15:49 jcamins oleonard: thanks.
15:49 rangi 250 kittens
15:49 jcamins mveron: yeah, jenkins was complaining too.
15:49 jcamins Not sure what that's about.
15:50 * oleonard assumed "sudo apt-get install libtext-unaccent-perl" was the solution
15:50 cait 250 kittens! yay!
15:50 jcamins oleonard: that would make sense. :)
15:51 * jcamins didn't actually look.
15:51 mveron Works, thanks!
15:51 jcamins Just saw the complaint from jenkins, and went went back to cursing bureaucracy, tax laws, and the legal definition of "disregarded entity" (or lack thereof!).
15:51 oleonard Sees it was Bug 7411
15:51 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7411 normal, P3, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , remove diacritics when automatically generating userid
15:52 rangi yep, it was just introduced
15:53 jenkins_koha Starting build #753 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #743 2 days 6 hr ago)
15:53 dpavlin 7411 did introduce a change to install_misc/debian.packages wasn't that sufficient?
15:54 oleonard dpavlin: I think the problem is only faced by those running off of git
15:54 * cait is guilty of that one
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15:57 mle_mac boom!
15:58 mle_mac[…]AllAboutThePeople first video uploaded. rangi please check details.
16:00 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #753: STILL FAILING in 6 min 46 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/753/
16:00 jcamins Uhhh... what?
16:01 jcamins Oh.
16:01 jcamins rangi: you need to install libcache-memcached-perl on jenkins.
16:01 rangi hmm ok
16:02 jcamins How was it working before?
16:02 drojf mle_mac:  nice, let's kill the university wifi and everybody download the video
16:02 rangi its now a hard dependency?
16:02 jcamins I didn't add that.
16:02 oleonard Hey there are a couple of simple patches still awaiting signoff on Bug 7500. Just sayin'.
16:02 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7500 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Use CSS Sprites for faster page loading
16:02 mle_mac droif: maybe,  its 100Mbs dl so maybe not
16:02 jcamins It is if you want to use caching.
16:02 mveron Who takes care of the timeline in Home › About Koha? Table does not display well, sometimes the date is together with the Description, e.g. December 6 2011 Martin Renvoize
16:03 rangi mle_mac: looks fine to me
16:03 drojf mle_mac: its slower now than in my guest house
16:03 rangi mveron: i think that happens when someone puts spaces instead of tabs in the history.txt file
16:03 mle_mac droif: : (
16:04 rangi the timeline is drawn from the history.txt file
16:04 mveron rangi: Just had a look at the file, seems to be true
16:05 mle_mac droif: We are using the backup plan. The plan was to have our own cat5 socket, but unfortunately the nearest one is in the library bar.  they weren't too keen on my danglign cat5 cables out of the window and *they* were confident that the wifi would cope. ; /
16:05 rangi yep,it's a tab separated file but i think people sometimes accidentally use spaces
16:06 cait mle_mac: I think it worked nicely :)
16:06 drojf mle_mac: it's alright, we have seen it live
16:06 mle_mac hehe
16:06 mle_mac shoudl i update the wiki?
16:06 cait mle_mac: I don't think we were using up a lot of bandwidth bug squashing
16:08 mrenvoize trust my name to cause issues with the timeline :p
16:08 cait heh
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16:11 mveron Should I file a bug regarding the tmeline?
16:14 rangi ah yes, fast
16:14 rangi thats new
16:14 rangi it used to be just Cache::Memcached
16:15 cait mveron: you could file a bug and send a patch :)
16:15 rangi now its Cached::Memcached::Fast it wants
16:15 cait mveron: is there any chocolate left? ;)
16:15 jenkins_koha Starting build #754 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #743 2 days 6 hr ago)
16:18 cait packing up - cya all later I hope!
16:20 wizzyrea question, where did the icons for the home page come from?
16:20 wizzyrea did someone at biblibre do them special for koha?
16:20 wizzyrea or are they from an icon set?
16:20 bencahill wizzyrea: I don't have them off hand, but do a search.
16:20 wizzyrea bencahill++ thanks
16:20 bencahill :) np
16:21 wizzyrea I didn't know about tineye
16:21 wizzyrea that is super sweet.
16:21 bencahill yep
16:21 bencahill I use it pretty often :P
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16:22 oleonard They're from a set wizzyrea
16:22 matts time to go !
16:22 asaurat good bye and see you all very soon
16:22 matts bye #koha !
16:23 matts As tweeted, this kohaconahackfestpubdrinks12 was really great !
16:23 asaurat we now have some England soccer fans to taunt
16:24 mveron Bug 8237 - HTML-table in timeline broken
16:24 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8237 major, P5 - low, ---, nengard, NEW , HTML-table in timeline broken
16:24 wizzyrea oleonard: any idea where they came from? I'd like to give the circ page a similar treatment
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16:25 wizzyrea and I have some ideas about what type of icons they would have
16:25 wizzyrea but… don' tknow if they exist
16:26 oleonard wizzyrea: I remember gaetan showing me, but now I can't remember
16:26 * oleonard is trying to find it
16:27 wizzyrea ah cool, maybe it's in the IRC logs?
16:27 oleonard Maybe
16:27 jcamins Woohoo!
16:27 jcamins My accountant fixed everything!
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16:29 jcamins Okay, not everything.
16:29 wahanui not everything is possible; do things the right way, and you'll be safe. :)
16:29 jcamins Right.
16:32 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7952 - PDF::Reuse under plack writes to console STDOUT instead to browser <[…]3bc27b43fbaf51298> / Bug 7810 - C4/ - on plack restart session is undefined <[…]6491ea0008ae9694f> / Bug 7444: Update circ/ to use KohaDates TT Plugin <http
16:34 oleonard wizzyrea: We should have been looking at the about page!
16:34 oleonard
16:36 wizzyrea lol.
16:36 wizzyrea of course.
16:38 jcamins Why are we looking at that page?
16:39 oleonard jcamins: To find that link
16:40 * jcamins is confused.
16:40 wizzyrea checkin?
16:40 jcamins Ohh.
16:40 jcamins Homepage = in Koha, not
16:41 oleonard wizzyrea: We use something like that elsewhere to mean "receive" I think
16:41 wizzyrea hmm
16:41 oleonard Not sure if that is a big deal or not
16:42 oleonard Circulation rules?[…]ress/#icon-No1760
16:43 wizzyrea checkout: (technically, upload?)
16:43 wizzyrea lol.
16:43 wizzyrea if that were a book
16:43 wizzyrea it would be perfect
16:44 wizzyrea[…]load/#icon-No2080 (checkin)
16:45 wizzyrea might be able to do something with one of these books:
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16:48 jcamins rangi: yes, we switched to Cache::Memcached::Fast after you sent me a link saying "Cache::Memcached can't handle UTF-8."
16:48 jcamins They should be provided by the same package, though.
16:50 wizzyrea transfer:
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17:06 jenkins_koha Starting build #755 for job Koha_master (previous build: NOW UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #743 2 days 7 hr ago)
17:07 jcamins rangi: any idea why 00-testcritic.t is unhappy?
17:09 jcamins It passes for me.
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17:57 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 8171 - Improper escaping of quotes during z39.50 queries leads to broken html
17:57 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 7941 : Fix version numbers in modules
17:57 jenkins_koha * meenakshi.r: Bug 7570 - Add Item availability status to cart.
17:57 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8171 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Improper escaping of quotes during z39.50 queries leads to broken html
17:57 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: [PATCH] [SIGNED-OFF] bug 7570: add a space to the table header
17:57 jenkins_koha * koha.sekjal: Bug 7444: Update circ/ to use KohaDates TT Plugin
17:57 jenkins_koha * dpavlin: Bug 7810 - C4/ - on plack restart session is undefined
17:57 jenkins_koha * dpavlin: Bug 7952 - PDF::Reuse under plack writes to console STDOUT instead to browser
17:57 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7941 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Master , Fix version numbers in modules and set up a system to keep them up to date
17:57 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7570 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, meenakshi.r, Pushed to Master , Add Item availability status to cart
17:57 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7444 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Use T::T date plugin to display dates omnibus
17:57 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7810 normal, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , C4/ - on plack restart session is undefined
17:57 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7952 normal, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , PDF::Reuse under plack writes to console STDOUT instead to browser
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18:43 libsysguy Notices Question:  What if, instead of a traditional form for notices we make it more of a fill in the blank sentence.  Ex for overdue: "(x) days (after) [date_due] for (occurences) times on interval (z)"
18:43 jcamins Uhhh... huh?
18:44 * jcamins tests nginx.
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18:44 libsysguy well in a traditional form I think it could be confusing to fill out notices
18:44 libsysguy but I thought it might make more sence in a sentence
18:45 * libsysguy pities jcamins for testing nginx
18:46 jcamins Oh, you mean when setting which notices to send when.
18:46 libsysguy exactly
18:46 jcamins That makes sense.
18:46 libsysguy sweet
18:46 oleonard What makes sense in English may not make sense in another language
18:46 libsysguy touche oleonard
18:47 jcamins Wow!
18:47 libsysguy i guess you could make the form a questionaire
18:47 libsysguy jcamins ?
18:47 wahanui jcamins is A-Grade developper on Koha willing to rewrite it from top to bottom. Good Luck jcamins
18:47 libsysguy heh
18:47 jcamins Load time with nginx: 4.42s.
18:48 jcamins Load time without nginx: 21.11s!
18:48 libsysguy 0_0
18:48 jcamins Freaking Apache.
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18:48 libsysguy im just going to insert this here http://wiki.catalystframework.[…]atalyst_and_nginx
18:48 sekjal jcamins:  what are you loading?
18:49 jcamins sekjal:
18:49 jcamins I wanted to confirm nginx was working.
18:49 sekjal 21.11s... oof
18:49 jcamins Yep.
18:49 jcamins And most of that time is spent *downloading jQuery*.
18:49 jcamins Again.
18:49 jcamins And again.
18:49 jcamins And again.
18:49 jcamins And...
18:50 jcamins Do you see a theme here?
18:50 libsysguy infinate recursion
18:50 sekjal is it not caching?
18:50 libsysguy recursive jquery is recursive
18:50 jcamins sekjal: not with Apache.
18:50 jcamins I just use the default koha-httpd.conf.
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18:51 jcamins Possibly this is a mistake.
18:51 sekjal shouldn't it cache in the user's browser?
18:51 jcamins It should, yes.
18:51 jcamins But the default Apache config doesn't have it doing that.
18:53 sekjal jcamins: my browser is caching most of the css and js, and pageloads are in the 2s range (with Apache)
18:56 jcamins sekjal: the configuration for package installs seems to work, but the default configuration on git (!) does not?
18:56 jcamins (where work = cache stuff)
18:57 jcamins Interesting.
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18:58 sekjal jcamins: I'm on a git install, and I'm just not seeing the slowness you are.  there's got to be more to the story...
18:59 jcamins sekjal: it doesn't _feel_ that slow to me, but I'm looking at the Network tab in Chrome, and it tells me that menu-min.js and jquery.js take about 16s to load.
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19:00 sekjal jcamins: are they loading from the same place as everything else?
19:00 jcamins They are indeed.
19:01 sekjal huh
19:01 jcamins /opac-tmpl/prog/en/lib/...
19:01 jcamins Very peculiar.
19:02 sekjal I'm getting 16ms and 20ms respectively, and once they're downloaded, my browser caches them.
19:02 * sekjal is using FF on Ubuntu, with Firebug
19:03 * jcamins will see what FF says.
19:03 jcamins Could be a Chrome issue.
19:04 * jcamins falls asleep.
19:04 jcamins Nope.
19:06 jcamins Those two are a serious problem for Apache.
19:06 sekjal huh, not seeing the problem on Chromium
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19:06 jcamins No, I have the exact same problem in FF, so clearly it's not a browser-specific thing.
19:06 jcamins Oh well.
19:08 jcamins On FF the difference is even more pronounced because I didn't clear my cache first: 779ms vs 24.54s.
19:09 smeagol Hi all..where is the code for a.yuimenuitemlabel kept, in Koha?
19:10 Oak night guys
19:11 sekjal jcamins: must be something on the server end, most likely with either your Apache settings, or perhaps the file system
19:11 oleonard smeagol: Do you mean CSS?
19:11 libsysguy smeagol it's in koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/css/staff-global.css but you should really override it from sysprefs
19:11 sekjal next step is to replicate on a separate install
19:12 jcamins sekjal: since none of my actual servers have the problem, I think I'll just ignore it.
19:13 jcamins (the server that's slow is my dev VM)(
19:13 jcamins *)
19:29 * jcamins concludes definitively that nginx may or may not make sense in his situation.
19:29 * wizzyrea boggles
19:30 jcamins wizzyrea: do you disagree? :P
19:30 wizzyrea I cannot agree or disagree with an assertion that has or hasn't been made.
19:30 jcamins :D
19:30 wizzyrea :)
19:30 wizzyrea something like this for fast add?
19:30 wizzyrea
19:31 jcamins You know where it would make sense?
19:31 jcamins If it were caching image results.
19:31 jcamins That would make sense.
19:31 jcamins Looks good to me.
19:32 sekjal wizzyrea:  neat!
19:33 wizzyrea I wish it said "fast" to me more. >.>
19:33 oleonard Like with a lightning bolt?
19:34 sekjal oleonard: oh, that's way better than my idea
19:35 wizzyrea ooh
19:39 * wizzyrea wonders what sekjal's idea was
19:40 sekjal oh, just slanting the book in one direction, and putting some parallel lines after it to indicate motion
19:40 * wizzyrea will try that too
19:44 oleonard Has anyone else tested hold limits in master lately?
19:47 oleonard Which is to say, I believe that hold limits are broken in master. completely broken. Wondering if anyone else has found it to be so.
19:47 wizzyrea i haven't
19:47 wizzyrea I think they are too, I've heard that through the grapevine
19:47 wizzyrea a tiny slant makes it seem quicker to me :P
19:49 * jcamins likes it.
19:54 libsysguy on a dev install should I ever have to run the installer again
19:54 libsysguy or can i just do a fetch and rebase all the time
19:55 sekjal libsysguy:  it's only really necessary if any of the install configs change, and you don't want to migrate them manually
19:55 sekjal Zebra configs are a big one there, but you can just symlink those once and be done
19:56 libsysguy ok cool
19:56 libsysguy that is what I was thinking
19:56 libsysguy I have something weird happening with suggestions
19:57 libsysguy i am running 3.09.013 and suggestions are missing some of the tabs
19:57 libsysguy but they have been missing for awhile
19:58 libsysguy but I can see they are there on bywater's demo of master
19:58 jcamins Check the demo is up to date?
19:58 libsysguy its not
19:58 libsysguy but i was on 3.08 before my update (what they are on now) and it was still broken
19:59 jcamins is your best bet.
20:00 oleonard
20:00 wahanui is, like, now definitely running 3.8.0 :-)
20:00 jcamins I'm pretty sure it's on 3.9.something.
20:01 oleonard <meta name="generator" content="Koha 3.0900013" />
20:02 * oleonard is gonna troll everyone by changing that tag to read "<META NAME="Generator" CONTENT="FrontPage 1.0">"
20:02 libsysguy heh
20:02 libsysguy oleonard TROLOLOLOL
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20:03 mbalmer back home
20:04 wizzyrea something like this for "Transfer?"
20:05 oleonard Seems like that won't scale down well enough
20:05 wizzyrea yea, you're probably right
20:07 mbalmer marc21 is probably a better name for a MARC21 data type in an SQL database, I think I'll rename it so.
20:08 jcamins mbalmer: you're implementing separate MARC21 and UNIMARC data types?
20:08 jcamins I think a generic type would be preferable.
20:09 mbalmer that is what I am unsure of.  need to find out more details.
20:09 jcamins If you do MARC21 and UNIMARC, it means that someone would need to implement NORMARC.
20:09 jcamins And perhaps later on RUSMARC.
20:09 mbalmer for the "proof of concept" I just do plain MARC21, then I will figure out how to add the other marcs.
20:10 jcamins Ah.
20:10 jcamins Fair enough.
20:10 jcamins What makes it MARC21 versus UNIMARC?
20:10 jcamins (i.e. are you adding any semantic functionality?)
20:10 mbalmer iirc, unimarc has 4 digit field tags.
20:11 mbalmer marc21 has only 3 digits.
20:11 jcamins Nope.
20:11 jcamins Just 3 digit.
20:11 sekjal mbalmer:  the only difference between MARC21 and UNIMARC is the semantic meaning of the fields.  the structure (field, subfields and indicators) is the same
20:11 mbalmer well, marc is a minefield anyway ;)
20:11 jcamins It certainly is.
20:13 libsysguy ^^ this
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20:18 mbalmer sekjal, that is good news for me.  since my work on extracts the fields, but does not interpret them.  so maybe naming the whole thing marc21 is not a good idea.
20:19 mbalmer maybe the datatype should only be marc, not marc21?
20:20 sekjal if you're not making any use of the meanings of the fields, or whether subfields are required/optional or unique/multiple
20:20 sekjal then that sounds good
20:21 wizzyrea oleonard: instead?
20:21 mbalmer no, I don't interpret the fields in any way.  I just produce them from the binary record ( and might soon be able to set them, as well)
20:21 oleonard wizzyrea: Maybe it doesn't need the bookmark?
20:22 wizzyrea *nod* let me see if I can find a different book
20:22 jcamins mbalmer: just make sure that you don't make any assumptions about the order of fields.
20:23 mbalmer I don't.
20:24 wizzyrea nm I just got rid of the bookmark :P
20:24 wizzyrea
20:26 sekjal wizzyrea: is that for a fast book transfer....
20:26 * sekjal reads upwards to see that, yes, that was the context
20:26 * wizzyrea is glad that you got it without context.
20:26 wizzyrea I consider that winning.
20:27 wizzyrea just "transfer" really
20:27 wizzyrea but I thought perhaps having two books next to each other, and one slanting and one not, might look odd.
20:27 jcamins Now _that_ is what I'm talking about!
20:28 jcamins 50% reduction in the length of time it takes to load the page!
20:29 sekjal okay, time for me to go.  have a good night, all!
20:29 oleonard Bye sekjal
20:29 wizzyrea later sekjal
20:31 wizzyrea hmm. I could make all of these icons for circ "on books…" too much?
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20:32 oleonard Time for me to go too
20:32 wizzyrea bye oleonard
20:32 oleonard Bye #koha
20:32 nengard just did a fetch and tried to install Text::Unaccent but it says it's not possible ? is this not the module I need?
20:33 nengard Can't locate Text/ in @INC (@INC contains: /home/nengard/kohaclone /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /home/nengard/kohaclone/C4/ line 41.
20:34 wizzyrea try sudo apt-get install libtext-unaccent-perl.
20:34 jcamins nengard: you'll need to install Text::Unaccent. libtext-unaccent-perl
20:34 nengard thanks liz that worked - cpan didn't
20:35 wizzyrea :) np, happy to help
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20:53 * jcamins rebases 497 patches.
20:53 jcamins There has got to be a better way to do this.
20:53 jcamins Oh well.
20:54 libsysguy jcamins what are you rebasing for?
20:54 jcamins libsysguy: I'm trying to remove a commit that wasn't the last.
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20:54 jcamins Oooh!
20:54 jcamins I can use git revert for commits prior to the last.
20:55 jcamins Thank goodness.
20:55 libsysguy haha yeahhh
21:17 jcamins BTW, reverting a dozen commits from within the last 500 or so is *way* more pleasant than trying to rebase them out.
21:17 jcamins I always forget that git revert will cope with commits prior to the last.
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21:47 YoungPublicLibrarian Looking for someone to help me modify my KOHA query so it gives me the proper information on a report. Anyone available? (Eying Wizzyrea's name over there in the user column :D)
21:52 * wizzyrea waves
21:52 wizzyrea sorry, I was away from my desk
21:55 YoungPublicLibrarian no problem. I have the fines and fees query that you helped me with last time. I would like to add code to it that asks for a specific start and end date to pull the fines and fees from, but I'm not sure what to add or where.
21:58 jcamins I think James may have just asked for help with that report.
21:58 wizzyrea what do you have so far?
22:01 YoungPublicLibrarian Should I just paste the report into here?
22:03 jcamins
22:04 pastebot "YoungPublicLibrarian" at pasted "SELECT b.surname, b.firstname," (17 lines) at
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22:06 drojf hello again
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22:33 YoungPublicLibrarian Did that work?
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23:08 jcamins Yay! My release-tool script now tees its subcommands' output to stdout when --verbose is specified!
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23:09 * jcamins supposes that fork() will be involved if he wants to tee the output to the tests.
23:22 jcamins papa: do I need to use some module in order to use wait?
23:22 jcamins use POSIX?
23:22 * jcamins tries.
23:22 papa I don't think so
23:23 papa I think it is core
23:23 YoungPublicLibrarian Wizzyrea, are you still here or did something come up? Thanks
23:23 jcamins Hm.
23:24 papa the idea of perl was to replace sh/sed/awk, so everything these provide should be in core
23:28 jcamins Well, waitpid works.
23:29 papa ah, sorry, I was thinking sleep
23:30 * papa hides
23:30 jcamins No worries. I figured it out. :)
23:30 jcamins Well, sort of.
23:30 papa but fork and wait should be core as well
23:32 jcamins I think maybe wait is either new or old.
23:32 jcamins Or not a regular function.
23:33 papa perldoc -f wait
23:33 jcamins However, since waitpid works, and I just teed the output of the tests, I'm satisfied.
23:33 papa then you win :)
23:33 jcamins :)
23:33 * jcamins calls it a day. :)

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