IRC log for #koha, 2012-05-26

All times shown according to UTC.

Time S Nick Message
02:04 ago43 joined #koha
02:15 druthb joined #koha
02:16 druthb o/
02:40 druthb left #koha
03:44 wajasu i just created a linux kvm, with debian sqeeze, and the latest koha. looks great!
04:07 Oak joined #koha
04:07 Oak kia ora #koha
04:42 wajasu i'm trying to test printing labels with diacritics in author names.  does anyone know of a catalog i can search, and export/save the marcxml so i can import and see if it prints in my koha 3.8.1 test system?
04:52 wajasu found one
04:53 Oak :)
04:55 Oak when a user logs in to the OPAC the username password box in right column disappears... how can I add some other box in right column so that there is always a right column?
04:56 Oak for example we have OpacNav in preferences to do that for left column...
05:23 zioha joined #koha
06:22 ASUSunDevil joined #koha
06:54 adnc joined #koha
07:01 Oak joined #koha
07:53 mib_a9jjpr joined #koha
07:57 rrrr joined #koha
08:00 zioha joined #koha
08:13 rangi rule one?
08:13 wahanui rule one is "Don't Be A Dick!"
08:13 cait joined #koha
08:14 zioha_ joined #koha
08:14 Oak Guten morgen cait
08:15 cait hi Oak :)
08:15 rangi hi cait
08:15 Oak hi rangi :)
08:17 cait hi rangi
08:17 rangi such a shame, mirko is right, but the attacking tone of his email totally detracts from his message
08:20 * Oak goes to read Koha's mailing list messages
08:21 cait hm yeah
08:21 cait I think we have the google code to up us in the rankings?
08:22 rangi thats definitely what the google+ is for
08:22 cait which is something we really need to do - had to explain the difference so many times this last week :(
08:22 rangi *nod* ppl still get stuck downloading the faux koha too much
08:23 Oak is there an official FB page for the real Koha?
08:23 rangi yep
08:28 rangi google+ too
08:34 Oak doing plain 'koha' search in facebook is not returning the page i want
08:34 Oak what is the link?
08:34 wahanui somebody said the link was right, but the website is gone, apparently
08:35 cait Oak: sorry, not on facebook
08:36 cait I mean I am not - I don't know :)
08:36 Oak some people on facebook have hundreds of friends, who have hundreds of friends, who have... so why not list the link to our facebook page on right column on we can't deny that facebook help is search engine's page ranking?
08:37 rangi hmm no facebook really doesnt its a walled garden
08:37 Oak hmm
08:37 * Oak goes to google+
08:38 rangi lots of things linking to a site increases its ranking, lots of things that are findable by search engines that is, most of facebook isnt
08:39 Oak how can ordinary users like me help is spreading the word?
08:40 Oak the mirko's email you were talking about... is it on mailing list?
08:42 rangi it is, on the main mailing list
08:43 Oak cool
08:43 Oak me go read
08:43 rangi Oak: linking to, making sure people know thats the real site
08:45 adnc joined #koha
08:46 Oak hmm.
09:08 zioha joined #koha
09:09 drojf joined #koha
09:09 drojf good day #koha
09:22 cait hi drojf
09:22 drojf hey cait
09:22 drojf recovered from your trip home?
09:23 cait almost - 10 hours of sleep :)
09:23 drojf :D nice
09:30 jcamins o/
09:32 drojf rangi: regarding google analytics, i'm sorry if my email sounded attacking. i got very allergic to google's omnipresence on the web over time and was honestly very surprised when i saw google analytics on the koha website. it seems i tend to start shouting pretty fast when it comes to this topic.
09:34 drojf hi jcamins
09:34 jcamins Good morning.
09:35 cait hi jcamins
09:35 cait why are you awake?
09:35 jcamins I wasn't sleepy anymore.
09:35 jcamins You know what's *really* weird?
09:35 jcamins Shari's awake too!
09:35 cait heh
09:36 cait you were probably thinking too loud
09:36 jcamins lol
09:41 cait myshkin must be the cutest cat ever
09:41 * cait was looking at your fb photos
09:41 jcamins Heh.
09:41 jcamins Yup.
09:42 cait :)
09:42 cait what are you 2 doing?
09:46 jcamins I'll sign off on some patches, and she has grading to do.
09:46 cait busy
09:48 jcamins Shari says it couldn't have been me thinking too loudly because she didn't detect any brainwaves from my direction... I was so busy being quiet so as not to wake her she thought I was asleep until I popped up out of bed too.
09:48 cait lol
09:52 francharb joined #koha
10:30 jcamins I'm trying to imagine what the use for bug 8130 is, and I'm coming up blank.
10:30 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8130 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , attach PDF files to a patron record
10:30 cait registration forms
10:30 cait with signature
10:30 jcamins Ah!
10:30 jcamins Thanks.
10:31 cait and other signed forms you have to keep
10:31 cait I can see the use, can nothing say about the implementation
10:35 jcamins How's your accounting going?
10:42 cait I will start soon, thx for asking :)
10:42 cait hm
10:42 cait jcamins: you are not showing up in my list of names for this channel
10:43 cait that is a bit irritating
10:44 jcamins That's odd.
10:45 cait I found oyu - you are bold and on top of the list.
10:45 cait must mean you are important
10:48 jcamins :)
11:06 jcamins Is BZ down for everyone else?
11:07 jcamins @later tell rangi Could you give Bugzilla a kick?
11:07 huginn` jcamins: The operation succeeded.
11:11 rangi weird
11:11 rangi no load at all
11:12 jcamins I'm definitely having issues getting through to it.
11:12 rangi its getting requests, probably someones script maxing connections again
11:13 jcamins Not mine.
11:13 rangi - - [26/May/2012:11:12:17 +0000] "POST /bugzilla3/attachment.cgi HTTP/1.1" 200 126089 "-" "git-bz"
11:13 jcamins I'm just trying to sign off on stuff.
11:13 rangi - - [26/May/2012:11:12:27 +0000] "POST /bugzilla3/index.cgi HTTP/1.1" 200 15267 "-" "-"
11:13 cait me neither
11:13 rangi its being used, not really anything i can do
11:13 rangi no load on the server
11:13 cait hm back for me no
11:13 cait w
11:13 cait really slow
11:17 rangi just maxing out all available apache connections
11:19 jcamins I managed to upload the patches.
11:21 rangi found who is doing it, something/someone is opening a ton of connections to big download files, which uses up all the available one
11:21 rangi s
11:21 jcamins Hm. Wonder why.
11:22 rangi stupid download scripts probably
11:24 rangi any better now?
11:25 rangi seems all to me now ive blocked that ip
11:26 rangi what im gonna do is put ngnix out front to serve static and then have apache behind it for the dynamic stuff, but not gonna start that this time of night
11:26 cait yep lot better
11:26 jcamins Much better.
11:27 cait rangi++
11:27 jcamins rangi: why are you awake?
11:27 cait jcamins: cut him a break - it's weekend :)
11:28 cait 11:30 tho... so we should send him to bed soon
12:06 jcamins Looks like the script has started up again.
12:06 cait from different ip? :(
12:08 jcamins cait: I presume it's the same script.
12:08 jcamins Filing a bug just took an unusually long time.
12:26 jcamins @later tell magnuse This is cool:[…]ith-dh-perl-make/
12:26 huginn` jcamins: The operation succeeded.
12:27 jcamins @later tell magnuse I just thought you might be interested. I don't expect you'll be doing much Perl module packaging.
12:27 huginn` jcamins: The operation succeeded.
12:28 adnc joined #koha
13:25 drojf1 joined #koha
13:41 druthb joined #koha
13:42 druthb o/
13:48 cait :)
14:01 Oak joined #koha
14:01 druthb hi, Oak.
14:01 Oak kia ora #koha
14:01 Oak hello druthb :)
14:06 Oak hello cait :)
14:10 wajasu i am trying to fix/improve bug 2246 so label printing via PDF prints diacritics for common cases.
14:10 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2246 critical, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, cnighswonger, Pushed to Master , Label printing doesn't work with Unicode characters
14:11 wajasu i installed 3.8.1 on a virtual machine, running the latest stable debian squeeze last night.
14:33 wajasu if i sign into and pull up more -> tools -> label creator -> batches -> new batch -> add items -> select author dropdown -> type JURGEN -> selectall -> addchecked -> check a bunch in the batch -> export items -> select label template and barcode data -> export -> download PDF.
14:34 wajasu now when i open the pdf, my jurgen entries which should have two dots over the "u" show up as two characters.
14:34 cait how did you enter jürgen?
14:34 cait did you copy it from somewhere?
14:34 cait could you try copying my jürgen from here and trying that?
14:35 wajasu i converted the database 3 years ago using a custom program, using staged marc import.
14:37 wajasu i went to someone elses catalog and search for a record with jurgen, and saved the record as utf8 standard, then imported it through staged import.  I hve the same issue.   I use marc21 for my flavor.
14:39 wajasu i have the problem for all diacritics printing labels.  like i said, i used the latest koha.
14:39 druthb left #koha
14:39 wajasu i just want to know if it works for other people
14:41 wajasu i applied my fix to and it fixes the problem, but i wonder if the data in my database is normalized wrong.
14:41 wajasu everything looks fine in firefox/web.
14:41 cait wajasu: ü can be done in 2 different ways in unicode
14:41 cait as 2 characters or as one, different normalization forms
14:41 cait that's why I was asking
14:45 wajasu i did select biblionumber,author,HEX(author),title from biblio where author like '%rgen%';   in mysql to see how the data is encoded.  i see C3BC, in many of my entries.  I see C3B8 as well.
14:48 wajasu i was hoping someone who was savy enough, could do that query on their database, and tell me if they have C3BC or something else.  I would then know if my database was correct, or if its been encoded twice.
14:48 drojf1 should the sql data not be utf8? C3BC seems latin1-ish to me
14:51 wajasu thats what i am trying to find out.
14:53 cait don't know about the hex codes sorry
14:53 wajasu most of these records were probably pulled from z39.50 servers.
14:54 wajasu[…]char/fc/index.htm
14:56 wajasu i just need someone to do the query i mentioned above, to see if their database is encoded the same way to validate my database.  then i need them to print a pdf label and see if they have a problem as well.
14:57 wajasu if they have a problem, then if they could do a quick one line fix in like i have done, to get the diacritics printing correctly.
15:00 wajasu OR do i need to write a program to reencode my database?
15:05 cait sorry wajasu
15:05 cait I am not much help here
15:09 wajasu this is a tough issue i am trying to figure out.  i just did a z3950 search for jurgen and imported it.  i am waiting for zebra to index. and will see if the label is fine.
15:09 cait I think you can get it in different ways from different z39.50 servers
15:09 cait it#s both valid utf-8
15:09 cait last time I tested the label creator with umlauts it worked - but it was sure a longer time ago
15:10 wajasu i just used the z3950 and did the Import link.    My sql query shows C3BC.
15:11 wajasu it came from the LOC.
15:11 jcamins You need to change z39.50 encoding to marc 8.
15:11 wajasu hmmm.
15:12 wajasu let me try to see how.
15:31 cait-m joined #koha
15:33 Oak joined #koha
15:33 Oak Ahoy me hearties
15:35 cait ahoy Oak
15:35 Oak :)
15:35 Oak are you traveling cait? there is a cait-m....
15:36 cait ah
15:36 cait no
15:36 cait that's irc not being shut down on the phone
15:36 Oak :) hmm. got it.
15:36 Oak question:
15:37 Oak when a user logs in to the OPAC the username password box in right column disappears... how can I add some other box in right column so that there is always a right column?
15:37 cait hm
15:37 cait not sure
15:37 Oak hmm. i'll dig.
15:37 cait might be someting you can do with yui... do you want the column on all pages?
15:37 Oak nope.
15:37 Oak just on the main page of OPAC
15:38 cait I think you could use jquery
15:38 Oak hmm.
15:38 Oak can I just edit cgi-bin/koha/
15:38 Oak and add it manually inside <div class="yui-u">
15:39 Oak that is responsible for the main page?
15:39 Oak no that won;t work
15:39 Oak because when a user log in and we go to the main page there is no right column... so it must be dynamic something
15:40 cait I am not sure I understand what you want to do
15:40 cait and editing the tmpl files will probably not make you so happy when you plan your next update :)
15:40 Oak :) hmm
15:41 Oak there is a yellow div box on left column here under the navigation
15:41 Oak
15:41 Oak i want to add a blue div box on left column with the some text in it.
15:42 cait hm
15:42 cait it's really slow
15:42 cait not on your page yet
15:42 Oak but when a user logs in, the login box area disappears.
15:42 Oak oh never mind, it's down
15:42 Oak electricity must be out
15:42 Oak let me get you a screen shot
15:44 Oak cait, please see this:
15:45 cait already looks very nice!
15:45 cait I think perhaps check the yui elements
15:45 cait I think this has something to do with the yui grid system
15:45 Oak :) thank you!
15:45 cait and I am not very familiar with that - oleonard would know I think
15:45 Oak *sigh* yes. will see when the system is up again though
15:46 Oak ah yes. i'll ask him when he comes
15:46 Oak cait, that yellow color on the OPAC... is it too much?
15:46 Oak like too Disney or something?
15:46 Oak or cartoon network?
15:46 cait heh
15:46 cait I don't know
15:46 cait I think it's a culture thing too
15:47 Oak hmm.
15:47 Oak when i showed it to the director today, he said hmm, that yellow looks a bit out of place with the blue
15:47 cait is there an existing color scheme for the website of the institute?
15:47 Oak hmm... try
15:47 cait you have yellow blue and green there
15:48 cait perhaps try a different 3rd color or make it a ibt lighter?
15:48 Oak no yellow,
15:48 cait hm
15:48 cait you could go for the blues
15:48 Oak hm. i guess.
15:48 cait the light blue on top
15:48 cait the little tree at the bottom is a nice element
15:49 Oak yes, i plan to add the tree somewhere in footer area :)
15:49 Oak let me try the blues and see how they look
15:52 Oak like this:
15:53 cait :)
15:54 Oak looks okay i think. but then, what about the yellow boxes on left?
15:54 cait try the same on them?
15:54 cait I am not good at design :(
15:54 Oak hm. okay.
15:54 Oak me neither.
15:54 cait but Ithink working with 3 colors works most of the time
15:54 cait well... 3 matching colors :)
15:54 Oak so i need a third color
15:54 cait I am always happy when I can steal it somewhere
15:54 Oak yes :)
15:55 Oak *sigh* electricity will be out here in 5 minutes :(
15:55 Oak i use this to get colors:
15:55 Oak you give it one color, and it tells you 2, 3 or more colors that will work with it
15:55 cait perhaps try to give it the blue from the homepage
15:55 cait and see what it comes up with?
15:56 Oak okay.
15:56 Oak the blue from the OPAC's main page is this: 76ACF1
15:56 Oak now you can try also :)
15:56 Oak if you like
15:57 cait thx :)
15:57 Oak blue on university's homepage is this: C9DEF5
15:58 Oak on that site on bottom left of the big color wheel... there is written RGB: and some color code. click on it.
15:58 Oak to enter *your* color
15:58 cait I already did :)
15:58 cait playing wit the schemes on top now :)
15:59 cait
16:11 zioha joined #koha
16:16 jcamins_away @later tell mtj I signed off on fredericd's final patch for bug 7818. It's all ready for your QA. :)
16:16 huginn` jcamins_away: The operation succeeded.
16:33 wajasu if i take a biblio and edit it.  even if i cutnpaste jürgen, and print label to pdf, i always see   ü  as   (tilde over capital A, and 1/4 fraction character). the leader has "a" in leader postion 9.
16:52 zioha_ joined #koha
16:52 wajasu if the OS os debian squeeze, and the koha-common code is 3.8.1, and printing labels with diacritics does this, what is different in my system so that it doesn't work?   mysql database is utf8 etc.
16:53 wajasu if there a test catalogue is can sign in as staff and find a record with a diacritic, and print a label to see if its just my system?
16:54 zioha__ joined #koha
16:59 Oak joined #koha
16:59 Oak \o
17:55 wajasu i tried a marc21 sandbox but when i try to print a label, no text shows above the barcode.  i also tried at bywater, and my label did not show the diacritic (accent over e), but showed 2 odd characters.
18:02 cait hm
18:02 cait sounds like a bug
18:02 cait perhaps try opening a bug report? you could attach the problematic records and the label settings you tried
18:21 Soupermanito joined #koha
18:21 wajasu i've been trying to fix this via bug 2246.  i posted a fix(last fall 2011) but its not accepted or verified.  i just want to prove that its broken by someone else.  then to try my fix to verify.
18:21 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2246 critical, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, cnighswonger, Pushed to Master , Label printing doesn't work with Unicode characters
18:22 cait wajasu: I understand, but I don't have time right now and don't know much about the label printing module
18:23 cait hence the suggestion to add all testing information to a bug
18:23 wajasu ok.
18:24 cait that will make it easy for people to test
18:25 wajasu at least i found a sandbox that exhibits the behavior
18:25 cait weekends are pretty quiet too - if you ask around in the week more people are here
18:25 wajasu ok
18:26 wajasu if i reference my bug and testing behavior against a current sandbox (paul poulains), it might help.  thanks.
18:27 wajasu i would have thought folks would have diacritics printing in their labels by now (in PDF).  but i see some export to excel, and use openoffice or another app to print them.
18:28 cait our libraries buy preprinted barcodes
18:28 cait and not sure how they print the labels - they seem to use word or something else
18:30 wajasu that explains the lack of concern, as folks have different workflows/workarounds.
18:30 wajasu i'll try to create a new bug, and patch for a sandbox so someone can verify easier.
18:37 cait :)
20:22 stuartyeates joined #koha
21:02 Oak joined #koha
21:39 Soupermanito left #koha

| Channels | #koha index | Today | | Search | Google Search | Plain-Text | plain, newest first | summary