IRC log for #koha, 2012-03-08

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00:00 rangi i think swithc it back to needs signoff
00:00 jcamins_away Obsolete the other two?
00:00 rangi obsoleting all the others
00:00 rangi yeah
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00:05 jcamins_away Okay, that's done.
00:05 jcamins_away Time for dinner and Star Trek.
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00:06 jcamins_away Good night, #koha.
00:10 Shane-S_ I am off myself...time to relax...I spent my day off learning how to wait... jcamins_away basically installed it...koha :)
00:10 Shane-S and now system 2 :P bye all!
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01:47 Space_Librarian hello you lovely people - I've a silly question.
01:48 Space_Librarian what do our patrons need to select to be notified of holds placed?
01:48 jcamins_away I blame the Oompa Loompas.
01:48 jcamins_away ^^ silly answer
01:48 Space_Librarian I blame Storm Troopers
01:48 Space_Librarian :)
01:48 ibeardslee I was going to say 'pumpkin soup'
01:48 jcamins_away I'm not sure.
01:49 Space_Librarian Apparently no notification/confirmation of hold placed really is a big issue.
01:49 Space_Librarian Trying to firefight and educate
01:50 ibeardslee use the gassy end of the fire estinguisher to fight the fire and the heavy blunt end to educate
01:50 ibeardslee extinguisher
01:50 Space_Librarian that's the plan
01:57 Space_Librarian seriously though. I've read the manual, and I've tweaked what I can. I know there's an email for holds to pick up, but is there one to confirm holds placed?
01:57 jcamins_away Space_Librarian: I'm not sure.
01:58 Space_Librarian glad it ain't just me... :)
01:58 jcamins_away I don't think about circ much.
01:58 Space_Librarian ping rangi - do you, oh oracle, know the answer?
02:25 mtj Space_Librarian:  you want an email every time you place a hold?
02:26 mtj s/you/a person/ :)
02:27 mtj i think that may be a missing feature, currently....? :/   and hi! :)
02:27 Space_Librarian The patron wants a confirmation email. The library email was getting spammed.
02:27 Space_Librarian And hi!
02:28 mtj aaah, so the feature is there-ish...
02:29 mtj but the trick is to use the patrons email, not the default library-admin one
02:29 mtj or both emails (of course)
02:33 Space_Librarian and how would be do that?
02:36 mtj hmmm, i might have to pass on that Q  the mo :/   i'm in the middle of something
02:36 mtj its been a while since i looked at the email/notices stuff
02:39 mtj try the Koha list first? ,  its possible someone has a workaround already
02:42 Space_Librarian tis... :)
02:42 jcamins I'm still trying to figure out why on earth someone would want that.
02:43 Space_Librarian heavens knows.
02:43 Space_Librarian these are accountants
02:44 jcamins How does one do a class constant in Perl?
02:44 jcamins Does one do class constants in Perl?
02:44 jcamins Is this a profoundly bad idea?
02:45 * jcamins is trying to centralize the single invisible pixel gif.
02:46 jcamins Sorry, I didn't mean class constant. I meant package constant, apparently.
02:48 jcamins I want to be able to have the following line work from scripts:  print C4::Images->noimage;
02:49 Space_Librarian And can we rename "public list" to something else?
02:49 * Space_Librarian is going to go postal at people at work soon.
02:50 jcamins Space_Librarian: you could use jQuery.
02:50 jcamins Or a translation.
02:50 wahanui a translation is done through the pref files
02:51 Space_Librarian I need something quick and dirty for now. These people are being real pendants
02:51 jcamins Space_Librarian: it could be done using jQuery, but I don't know off the top of my head the jQuery that would be necessary.
02:51 jcamins What do they want them called?
02:52 jcamins Oh, I can just do a sub that doesn't take any arguments.
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02:53 Space_Librarian They want it called "Informed Professional"
02:53 jcamins Space_Librarian: what?
02:54 jcamins Space_Librarian: that was a shocked "what?" not an "I didn't hear you" what.
02:54 Space_Librarian The public list. They want it to be renamed "The Informed Professional"
02:54 Space_Librarian Yes. I know.
02:54 Space_Librarian This has been a day of stupidity.
02:54 Space_Librarian And apparently I can make it all just so.
02:55 jcamins heh.
02:55 jcamins Gotta love go-lives.
02:55 Space_Librarian Just because I can read code, doesn't mean I can code.
02:55 Space_Librarian And we've been live for a while.
02:58 * jcamins has learned that he's not actually very good at Scrabble.
02:59 jcamins wizzyrea started out with twice my score, and she's maintained that... unfortunately, this means that she's now *way* ahead of me.
03:00 wizzyrea actually, it has more to do with uh, leaving those triple word squares open :p
03:00 jcamins I'm not trying!
03:00 jcamins I mean, I'm not trying to leave them open.
03:00 jcamins I just have no choice.
03:00 eythian Space_Librarian: that should be easy to change with jquery
03:01 eythian assuming it's got the IDs on the bits that say 'public list'
03:01 wizzyrea and if there are no id's, we could add some for you :P
03:01 * wizzyrea imagines id's on bits. giggles.
03:02 eythian you can just do $("#theidofthething").setText("Informed Potato"); in the opacuserjs
03:02 * jcamins giggles at the Informed Potato suggestion.
03:03 * wizzyrea informs your potato
03:03 Space_Librarian Well, I need to know where to go first. Pretty pissed off that they're demanding this now, with no previous warning, an hour before releasing the bulletin.
03:04 Space_Librarian And I got into serious trouble for questioning the reasons for why this needs to be done anyway.
03:04 * Space_Librarian rolls eyes
03:04 eythian Why don't they just call the list "Informed Professional - March 2012", that way public lists can be used for other things.
03:04 eythian (I assume that's how they're intending to use it, right?)
03:05 wizzyrea Space_Librarian: gimme a sec
03:05 Space_Librarian because there are several small public lists that comprise the Informed Professional.
03:05 Space_Librarian And your argument, eythian, was my argument
03:06 eythian ah I see
03:06 Space_Librarian sometimes the stupidity burns.
03:06 Space_Librarian where'd that fire extinguisher go?
03:06 wizzyrea so they want it to say "the informed professional" instead of "lists"
03:06 wizzyrea just making sure I understand
03:07 wizzyrea or instead of "public lists" *under* lists
03:09 Space_Librarian wizzyrea: yes
03:09 Space_Librarian preferably both, but since nobody can see the private lists, lists would be informed professional
03:21 wizzyrea Space_Librarian: try $("h4:contains('Public Lists')").html("The Informed Professional");
03:21 wizzyrea not as specific as I would like but the id's are slightly sparse there.
03:22 mtj jcamins:  ps: i sorted my ajax template/translate problems nicely :)
03:22 jcamins mtj: excellent!
03:22 mtj was an easy solution, after a little thought
03:23 jcamins Oh?
03:23 mtj and you were on the right track too - define a JS function in the .tt file
03:24 jcamins Yay!
03:24 mtj so, the js function just gets translated with everything else in the template
03:24 mtj pretty obv. really :)
03:25 jcamins I have tried the fancy git PS1.
03:25 jcamins I don't like it.
03:25 wizzyrea ps1?
03:25 jcamins Prompt.
03:27 jcamins It's slow, and displays incorrect information.
03:28 jcamins So, not really beneficial here.
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03:37 Amit_Gupta hye bag
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03:54 jcamins bag: you might want to consider testing bug 7092. I use a different ICU configuration than ByWater.
03:54 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7092 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Signed Off , Complete-subfield searches TraceCompleteSubfields syspref not working correctly
03:54 eythian So as part of my series of rants titled "No proprietary library software can export unambiguously parsable CSV", I now introduce this one that exports as XML. _Invalid_ XML, mind you.
03:54 jcamins Well done!
03:55 wizzyrea lerd.
03:55 jcamins And that's with the "CSV" option?
03:55 jcamins :)
04:01 eythian jcamins: no, it's quite horrible really. The only way we can get data out is by running a report that luckily has an option for XML.
04:02 eythian I'm going to be relinking items and biblios by using title/author/publication info as there's no unique ID to match them
04:02 jcamins Oh, lovely.
04:03 * druthb shudders.
04:04 eythian yeah.
04:04 eythian I'm hoping that over the next wee while, we eradicate this software from the country.
04:14 eythian This one is only in use in a handful of places that I know about.
04:16 wizzyrea dare we ask
04:16 wizzyrea what it is
04:17 eythian .eLM
04:17 Space_Librarian lol. ouch
04:18 eythian yep.
04:18 eythian It's a bit of a strange system
04:18 jcamins Okay, I won't be testing oleonard's I18n patches.
04:18 jcamins I can't get the language chooser to display.
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04:19 Oak kia ora #koha
04:19 Oak how are you druthb :)
04:25 druthb hi, Oak!  I'm well.  How are you?
04:27 Oak i'm good too.
04:41 jcamins Good night -- again -- #koha.
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04:58 shakazu00 what is the staff username for koha 3.64
04:59 eythian shakazu00: depends how you installed it really
04:59 eythian probably kohaadmin is what you want
05:01 shakazu00 when it rebooted to login screen I tried kohaadmin and did not know the password
05:01 eythian katikoha?
05:02 eythian I forget what the default is, but it might be that
05:03 shakazu00 okay I am going to try that.but I am I not sure that's that it
05:04 eythian well, have a look in your koha-conf.xml
05:04 eythian it's in there, near the bottom
05:05 eythian the username/password for the database will log you in to koha as a superuser
05:05 shakazu00 login  kohaadmin password katikoha does not work  for the staff client
05:06 eythian then look in koha-conf.xml
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05:08 shakazu00 I do not see anything near the bottom. I am trying use the staff client login and not the supervisor when I install the system
05:08 eythian the bottom of the koha-conf.xml
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06:05 eythian hi cait
06:05 cait hi eythian
06:05 cait still at work?
06:05 eythian yep
06:06 Oak Guten Morgen miss cait :)
06:06 Oak hello Mr. Robin
06:06 cait hi mr Oak
06:07 Oak what's new cait
06:07 cait where have you been hiding? :)
06:07 Oak exams!
06:07 Oak now have to do a project, and it *must* be some practical work in a library
06:08 cait oh
06:08 eythian Oak: howdy
06:08 wahanui niihau, eythian
06:08 cait and do you have a project?
06:08 Oak i was thinking how about pick a small library and get them to start using Koha...
06:09 Oak I am meeting my project supervisor today and another management guy from university to discuss that
06:09 Oak i mean to discuss the possibilities
06:10 cait cool idea :)
06:12 Oak if i can get a decent computer from the library (the one i'll get to start using Koha), and set up Koha in say one week (installed, tested), then I could start cataloging, and say I catalog 2000 books using copy catalog, *that* should count as a project... that's what I want to discuss.
06:13 Oak but about the acquisitions module and other modules, plus the training of staff etc, i'm not clear about these things.
06:14 cait hm perhaps circulation training
06:14 cait cataloging + circulation + opac
06:14 Oak also, i'm no Koha expert. but you are all here, and manuals Wikis are there. so. that's why i am considering it
06:14 Oak hmmm.
06:16 Oak and can Koha + 2000 books + cataloging, circulation, opac be done in 2 months if I work all day on it (~8 hours), asked my boss that I'll work in night time...
06:16 cait I think configuration is not so hard
06:16 cait and telling them how to do it should not be much more
06:16 cait probably the cataloging
06:16 cait will take longest
06:17 cait but when you catalog, it#s good to know how they want to circulate the items later, so you catalog with the right itemtypes and such
06:17 Oak hmm
06:19 Oak well, i'll be doing this in morning time... so i'll have all day to work on this for next 2 months... i think it is doable...
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06:21 Oak is it doable? or am i being to optimistic in giving it 2 months?
06:21 Oak too*
06:22 cait it perhaps depends on how much you know already
06:23 Oak i guess it depends on the person's skill level
06:23 cait about Koha
06:23 Oak yes
06:23 cait hard to tell for m
06:23 Oak i don't know much
06:24 cait but you know how to install koha
06:24 Oak yup
06:24 cait hm
06:24 cait perhaps talk to your advisor
06:24 cait what they expect
06:25 Oak yes, that should be done first
06:26 Oak @wunder Konstanz
06:26 huginn Oak: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 3.0°C (7:00 AM CET on March 08, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.20 in 1023 hPa (Rising).
06:26 cait hm warmer than yesterday
06:26 cait was around 0
06:26 Oak good  :)
06:29 Oak by the way, the library i am considering are not using any ILS at all. they have a website, but no online access to library resources, obviously...
06:30 Oak @wunder islamabad
06:30 huginn Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 18.0°C (11:00 AM PKT on March 08, 2012). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady).
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06:57 cait hi laurence and sophie_m :)
06:57 laurence hi cait
07:01 sophie_m hello cait
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07:28 magnuse kia ora #koha!
07:28 cait morning magnuse :)
07:28 magnuse guten morgen cait
07:30 cait t
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07:44 magnuse hiya mbalmer
07:44 mbalmer m'rning
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07:47 cait hi mbalmer
07:48 cait and bbiab
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07:55 julian_m hi
07:58 reiveune bonjour
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08:04 reiveune eythian , rangi : Hi , I work to rebuild bug5905 (Partial fine payments and Means Of Payment). Henri-Damien Laurent told me that perhaps you were working on a similar development that will make obsolete the mine. is this true?
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08:06 francharb morning #koha
08:11 hdl1 hi
08:12 hdl eythian: rangi iirc, you did work on payment and fines refactoring code and so on. has it been pushed ? Or is it still ongoing ?
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08:12 asaurat hi
08:12 wahanui bonjour, asaurat
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08:13 kf hi again #koha
08:13 magnuse wb kf
08:13 magnuse and congratulations!
08:17 kf for making it to work? :)
08:17 magnuse[…]nal_Women%27s_Day
08:18 kf oh
08:18 kf um
08:18 kf thank you?
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08:22 magnuse kf: it's sort of a big thing here - everyone is supposed to congratulate all women :-)
08:24 kf well, guess you will be busy then today
08:24 clrh hello
08:24 wahanui bonjour, clrh
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08:25 kf magnuse: your next victim ;)
08:25 magnuse bonjour and congratulations, clrh!
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08:26 kf sophie_m fled
08:26 kf :P
08:27 clrh magnuse: hello but why?
08:27 clrh about what?
08:27 magnuse clrh:[…]nal_Women%27s_Day
08:27 magnuse :-)
08:27 clrh erf
08:27 kf lol
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08:33 magnuse kia ora paul_p
08:35 kf hi paul_p
08:51 magnuse hey hdl and paul_p and others - would it be an idea to call the hackfest-in-marseille-week a "global bug squashing week"?
08:52 paul_p magnuse why not. As it was started by BibLibre and I didn't wanted to seem to overlap with KohaCon or "community meetings" I called it hackfest in Marseille, but it's not a trademark ;-)
08:52 paul_p magnuse last number = we will be 32 for this hackfest :D :D
08:52 magnuse hehe
08:52 magnuse wow, very cool!
08:52 magnuse how many were we last year?
08:53 paul_p around 17 iirc
08:53 paul_p (32 we will be a little bit short on space...)
08:53 magnuse i was thinking more a week to encourage people to sign off etc, than re-branding the hackfest
08:53 magnuse yeah, you need lots of chairs and electrical outlets ;-)
08:54 paul_p magnuse very good idea because i've a mail to send about the timing for 3.8, and feature freeze will be short after the hackfest
08:54 magnuse cool
08:55 magnuse if you send your mail first i can send one about gbsw?
08:55 paul_p yep. it's on the top of my todo list...
08:55 magnuse yay :-)
08:55 paul_p something about an invoice of 20k€ to do first though ;-)
08:55 magnuse sending it out? nice!
08:59 magnuse i bet someone is happy now that bug 7284 is pushed :-)
08:59 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Authority matching algorithm improvements
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09:03 kf magnuse: oh he is very happy :)
09:03 kf paul_p: we were discussing collecting ideas for the bug sqashing week on the wiki
09:03 kf paul_p: perhaps get some people involved that are not in marseille
09:05 kf ok
09:05 kf meeting time
09:05 wahanui i think meeting time is always going to favour one section of the globe
09:05 kf bbl
09:06 paul_p kf nope, it's not exactly about an invoice to send, it's about an invoice I'd like to send since 2010, and the library still tries to refuse/ask for waiting. It's a crazy project. Really crazy, i never saw a IT staff & managers so ... silly/stupid Really ! (the librarians are smart, but they don't have the money)
09:06 paul_p (well, it was not for kf but for magnuse ;-) )
09:06 magnuse :-)
09:06 magnuse and ouch
09:11 slef ah it was a meeting last night. Oops.
09:14 magnuse slef: ?
09:15 slef wasn't it?
09:16 magnuse not that i know of
09:16 magnuse there is[…]ng,_21_March_2012
09:19 magnuse jcamins++ for signing off 7092
09:23 slef ah, automatic calendar fail :)
09:23 slef debian mysql "SECURITY UPDATE: Unspecified vulnerabilities identified by Oracle"
09:23 slef oracle--
09:24 magnuse this was quite interesting: "MySQL And MariaDB"
09:25 magnuse interview with monty widenius
09:26 slef I'm not sure if I heard it, but yes, time to move if oracle-- are going to keep pulling cunning stunts like that
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09:37 paul_p good morning slef = any news about the KohaCon12 schedule ?
09:48 slef paul_p: nothing further than what's on the wiki.
09:49 paul_p slef which is a little bit small. when do you plan to organize the schedule ? (Because it's only 3 month from now)
09:50 hdl rangi: has something happened to : bywater/wr78012  branch ?
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09:51 dgl_library hello everyone!
09:51 dgl_library I'm trying to set up Koha at a small school library and have found a couple of strange problems
09:51 dgl_library I wonder if someone knows what's going on…
09:52 dgl_library I'm using the Koha Virtual Appliance, "unconfigured version"
09:52 dgl_library now updated to 3.6.04
09:52 dgl_library and there is no button for Add Items
09:52 dgl_library also, there are no options under Patrons > More > Set Privileges
09:53 slef paul_p: ASAP. Patches welcome.
09:53 dgl_library however if I manually navigate to http://ip-address:8080/cgi-bin[…]guing/ I do get the Add Items dialogue.
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10:21 dgl_library hi everyone, is there anyone here who might be able to shed some light on the Koha problem I'm having?
10:25 magnuse julian_m: i'm looking at bug 6440 now! thanks for the followup!
10:25 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6440 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Koha's OAI-PMH does not support sets
10:26 julian_m magnuse, wow, I wasn't expecting a response as quickly as that :)
10:26 magnuse :-)
10:32 hdl dgl_library: have you looked at logs ? have you tried setting DebugLevel to 1 ? What Configuration ?
10:32 hdl never encountered the problem you spot.
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10:37 slef errr, tourist tax???
10:37 slef that's a new one on me
10:39 dgl_library @hdl: haven't looked at logs (where?), haven't set DebugLevel to 1. Configuration is Koha Virtual Appliance (Unconfigured version), which is Koha 3.6.04 running (inside a virtual OS) on Debian Squeeze
10:39 huginn dgl_library: downloading the Perl source
10:40 dgl_library huginn: are you saying I should compile from source?
10:40 huginn dgl_library: I suck
10:40 hdl dgl_library: huggin is a bot
10:40 dgl_library hdl: thanks for the tip.
10:42 dgl_library hdl: debug level was already set to show "lots of" info
10:42 hdl dgl_library: can't help much, unless you really try and spot more detailed process and log information. try and file a bug.
10:42 slef dgl_library: you put @ in front of hdl, huginn thinks any @s are for it.
10:42 dgl_library slef: oops.
10:42 slef dgl_library: live+learn
10:42 dgl_library hdl: where can I find the related process/log info?
10:43 hdl look at /var/log/apache2/error.log
10:43 slef dgl_library: look in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ for a koha file that will have various Log locations. Or try the default that hdl just mentioned :)
10:43 hdl or your vhost koha apache logs.
10:43 magnuse paul_p: i just triggered a dtabase update, and the html codes in the 7284 show: i'm seeing the <b> and <a> in the web installer (not viewing source, but on the page)
10:44 paul_p magnuse yep, kf noticed that in the bug 7284
10:44 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Authority matching algorithm improvements
10:44 magnuse ah, ok
10:46 dgl_library hdl and slef: here's the thing… in the virtual debian in the virtual appliance, I'm not sure how to do anything outside koha, because there's no desktop such as gnome. the entire window is taken up by the koha management console.
10:47 dgl_library aha…
10:47 dgl_library got a command line by quitting koha, I suppose that's a start
10:49 slef dgl_library: not sure what a koha management console is :)
10:50 dgl_library slef: hmm, what do you see on your server when koha is running?
10:50 dgl_library slef: at this end it looks like DOS or SSH terminal program… just text. it shows the IP address of Koha.
10:54 slef dgl_library: login prompt, or whatever we're doing on it.
10:54 dgl_library slef: it says "-bash: cd: /var/log/apache2/: Permission denied"
10:54 slef dgl_library: sudo -i, then you will be the superuser and have all permissions, but tread carefully
10:56 dgl_library sorry for the noob question, but I've accessed the folder. now how do I view the error log?
11:05 slef dgl_library: less error.log # or similar
11:05 slef dgl_library: or instead of less, you can use more or pg or view or ... there's more than one way to do it
11:06 slef dgl_library: I think the works-on-all-debian-way is: sensible-pager error.log # but that's a lot of typing
11:06 slef (please excuse delays, I am at work)
11:06 dgl_library slef: no problem at all, thanks so much for taking the time. trying that now.
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11:09 dgl_library ok, looking at the log now. not sure there's a way to copy and paste from the virtual machine, but I'm seeing one error repeated a lot: Argument "68a" in numeric ge …… blah blah ...... in line 263
11:09 dgl_library same with Argument "68b"
11:11 slef well, locate might tell you where it is, then cd to its folder and less +263 will open it to the right line.  I don't recognise that error but my memory is bad.
11:12 slef or you could maybe find the version on and find in it and then give us a link to the line
11:12 slef ah, but have you looked at the end of the log file (press > if you used less)
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11:15 dgl_library the log file is huge
11:15 dgl_library several more errors
11:17 dgl_library went to git but can't seem to locate the actual files, so will try in debian here
11:18 wizzyrea in git you look for "tree"
11:18 wizzyrea it looks just like the file system under there.
11:19 slef wizzyrea: but first you need the right version, I think.
11:19 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6090] empty mails in message_queue are sent <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6090>
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11:19 wizzyrea ah I made a bad assumption, I assumed they went to and couldn't find the files
11:19 slef wizzyrea: good assumption
11:20 slef wizzyrea: but he's using 3.6.4
11:20 slef dgl_library: the skill is figuring out which error is breaking you :-/
11:20 wizzyrea[…]b79d5b4f44b194913
11:21 wizzyrea what was the original problem?
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11:22 dgl_library can I paste code here?
11:22 hdl dgl_library: use
11:23 sturmtruppen q
11:24 slef wizzyrea: the original problem was that something created the universe. It's all gone downhill from there.
11:24 wizzyrea dgl sounds like perhaps your database has something gone funky
11:24 * wizzyrea reads the log
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11:38 dgl_library sorry, connectivity problems -- we're in the middle of nowhere
11:39 dgl_library
11:39 dgl_library that's the relevant code from
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11:43 wizzyrea what was the original problem?
11:44 wizzyrea the first question?
11:44 wahanui i heard the first question was "What are you trying to do?"
11:44 slef the original problem?
11:44 slef wahanui: the original problem was that something created the universe and it's all gone downhill from there.
11:44 wahanui slef: what?
11:44 slef wahanui: the original problem is that something created the universe and it's all gone downhill from there.
11:44 wahanui OK, slef.
11:45 slef yay tenses!
11:45 wizzyrea :)
11:49 dgl_library the original problem: strange behavior in our koha admin panel. (hope I'm not answering a bot here)
11:49 magnus_afk wizzyrea is definitely not a bot :-)
11:50 wizzyrea :) define "strange"
11:50 magnuse wizzyrea:[…]12-03-08#i_912572
11:51 wizzyrea ah yea, I go back to my original thesis that something must have gone funny during the db update
11:52 dgl_library wizzyrea (I'll take magnus's word you're not a bot if you'll vouch for him as well): the original problem is that I'm trying to set up Koha, using the Koha Virtual Appliance. the problems listed in the link above started before I ever updated — the update was an attempt to rectify the problems
11:52 wizzyrea he's not a bot. Only wahanui, huginn, and jenkins are bots
11:53 dgl_library no link to Add Items, and no options to Set Privileges under Patrons (Staff)
11:53 magnuse and pastebot, i think
11:53 wizzyrea what user are you logged in as?
11:53 dgl_library kohaadmin
11:53 wahanui i guess kohaadmin is the db user
11:53 wizzyrea sounds like you have staff permissions, but no rights to do anything else
11:54 dgl_library hmm
11:54 wizzyrea just to make sure, you are logging into the staff side and not the OPAC
11:54 wizzyrea ?
11:54 dgl_library definitely am, I can change all kinds of system preferences
11:54 * wizzyrea can't sleep, might as well help.
11:54 dgl_library and create patrons and all sorts of things
11:54 wizzyrea oh, have you defined patron categories?
11:54 wizzyrea and item types?
11:54 dgl_library yes
11:54 dgl_library yes
11:55 dgl_library uh, one sec
11:55 dgl_library item types… let me check
11:55 dgl_library I figured it would be easier to use the unconfigured Koha Virtual Appliance rather than go in and change all the preconfigured settings in the Configured version, but none of these problems exist in the Configured version (same user — kohaadmin) so I must be missing some key step in the setup
11:55 wizzyrea are you trying to use authorities? flipped the pref for "biblio adds authorities"
11:55 wizzyrea yep, seems likely
11:55 dgl_library haven't done anything about Authorities
11:56 dgl_library in fact, the only link under Cataloging is Authorities
11:56 dgl_library and I can't really fully understand what they are, so a bit lost there. but do I need to set up Authorities before I can get the other bits working?
11:56 wizzyrea no no, not necessary
11:56 dgl_library brb
12:01 dgl_library sorry, back now
12:01 dgl_library I have defined a few item types
12:01 dgl_library Patron types and categories as well
12:02 dgl_library I have tested the Marc frameworks
12:02 wizzyrea anything working better?
12:02 dgl_library no, I set all that days ago
12:02 dgl_library in fact I followed an implementation checklist I found on the website. still nothing.
12:03 wizzyrea do you have libraries defined?
12:03 wizzyrea or a library defined
12:03 dgl_library yes, one. but every time I log in, I have to select it manually.
12:04 wizzyrea well yea, kohaadmin is the super-superlibrarian
12:04 dgl_library also as I mentioned there are no Add Items options in any menu, but if I manually navigate to http://x.x.x.x:8080/cgi-bin/ko[…]guing/ I can see it
12:04 dgl_library I see.
12:04 wizzyrea you said you could create patrons - but you can't set permissions on them?
12:04 dgl_library I did try to create a standard Staff account for myself, but as I mentioned, one of the problems is that …… yes, exactly.
12:05 dgl_library More > Set Permissions shows a button that says "Set Flags" and nothing else
12:05 wizzyrea it doesn't have an error, it just doesn't show?
12:05 dgl_library I click it and am returned to the Patron's details screen
12:05 wizzyrea ok, go to more -> about koha
12:05 dgl_library no error, and no options
12:05 wizzyrea click on the Perl Modules tab
12:05 wizzyrea any missing?
12:06 dgl_library
12:06 dgl_library there's the About info
12:06 wizzyrea click the perl modules tab
12:06 dgl_library ah, I see... just a sec
12:07 dgl_library Modern::Perl and DateTime::Format::ICal
12:07 dgl_library that should be Modern:: Perl
12:07 wizzyrea hm, that wouldn't cause this problem.
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12:07 wizzyrea it has to be that something somewhere is unconfigured.
12:08 wizzyrea do you have the option to drop this db and install fresh?
12:08 dgl_library well, here's a question from an alternative approach: can I export all my current settings, and then import them into a setup of Koha that works properly (i.e. the Configured version of the Koha Virtual Appliance)?
12:09 dgl_library I mean, I've already invested a few days into inputting the settings… I'd at least like to be able to print them out somehow, if I can't export-import them
12:09 dgl_library but yes, I suppose I could. I haven't entered any books yet.
12:09 wizzyrea back up koha?
12:09 wizzyrea boo
12:10 wizzyrea I hoped wahanui had the link for that . :)
12:10 wizzyrea back up koha is at[…]i/Backing_up_Koha
12:10 dgl_library backup koha?
12:11 wizzyrea but, all of the config is in the DB
12:11 dgl_library of course if the problem is in the way I've configured Koha, backup and restore would most likely get me the same errors, right?
12:11 wizzyrea yep
12:11 wizzyrea what I would probably do
12:11 dgl_library right, that's what you just said
12:12 wizzyrea you're in a bit of a sunk cost moment
12:12 dgl_library (sinking feeling in stomach)
12:12 wizzyrea it would be faster to start over with a few of the sample options defined
12:12 wizzyrea than to try and fix this, I have a sense.
12:13 wizzyrea make sure you get the authorized values, sample patron categories
12:13 wizzyrea sample libraries, mmm that's up to you.
12:13 wizzyrea the z39.50 servers wouldn't hurt.
12:13 wizzyrea sample holidays
12:13 dgl_library the Configured version of the KVA works right out of the box — sample libraries, sample everything. without any setup, I can add books from Z39.50 servers, which are also predefined.
12:14 wizzyrea yea, if you just drop the db (and create a new one) in the VM, it should run you through the installer
12:14 wizzyrea where you can pick
12:14 wizzyrea what sample data you want
12:14 dgl_library oh really?
12:14 dgl_library I didn't realize that!
12:15 wizzyrea well in standard koha (installed from packages or from the tarball) it does that
12:15 wizzyrea it stands to reason that it might work in the VM
12:15 wizzyrea it's still koha :P
12:16 wizzyrea i've not ever used the VM, it's not a vehicle that we normally spend a lot of time supporting here
12:16 dgl_library ……searching for the drop db option……
12:16 wizzyrea (most people use packages)
12:16 wizzyrea the VM was contributed by someone in the community, and really only they know properly how it works.
12:17 dgl_library I see, the thing is that I was that we ordered a dedicated server, which I was going to install debian on, but it won't arrive til tomorrow, so I've been working on the Koha VA and figured I'd just move the file later to the server
12:17 dgl_library didn't realize it was a technical outlier…
12:17 dgl_library perhaps I'll start from scratch on the new server then
12:17 wizzyrea I think you'll be happier in the long run
12:18 dgl_library yes, I think you may be right
12:18 dgl_library the only thing is Debian…
12:18 wizzyrea ah we can help with that :)
12:18 dgl_library by using a virtual appliance, we can run any OS on the machine, and have Debian just for Koha
12:18 dgl_library really, help with debian? :)
12:18 wizzyrea there's always virtualbox.
12:19 wizzyrea i mean, not running a pre-configured koha in a virtualbox
12:19 dgl_library aha! I hadn't thought of setting up everything from scratch *within virtualbox*
12:19 dgl_library right!
12:19 dgl_library aren't you clever……
12:19 wizzyrea >.>
12:19 wizzyrea <.<
12:19 wizzyrea ^.^
12:19 dgl_library ok, so I've got virtualbox here and the 64-bit debian squeeze gnome install DVD
12:20 dgl_library but I have to download it again because there was a file error
12:20 dgl_library anyway, I would install debian+gnome in virtualbox, and then…
12:20 wizzyrea packages?
12:20 wahanui package info is at[…]on_Debian_Squeeze
12:20 dgl_library can you please point me to the most reliable and current instructions on how to install koha from packages
12:20 dgl_library right
12:21 dgl_library thanks
12:21 wizzyrea yw, pop back if you get stuck. :)
12:22 dgl_library thank you — it's so kind of you to help a confused and frustrated small-library volunteer on the other side of the planet :)
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12:22 deiv hi everybody
12:22 slef dgl_library: which side? we're all over the place... at least in the geographic sense
12:22 dgl_library the far side!
12:23 jcamins_away slef: we're all over the place in most senses, I think.
12:23 slef jcamins_away: speak for yourself ;)
12:23 dgl_library haha. well I'm in the middle of nowhere.
12:23 slef oh ok, speak for me too
12:23 wizzyrea define "middle of nowhere"
12:23 wizzyrea ;)
12:23 slef dgl_library: I'm on a road to nowhere. Maybe I'll see you there?
12:23 * wizzyrea lives in flyover country, USA
12:23 deiv i need koha support, who are the person i can talk to?
12:24 * wizzyrea looks around
12:24 dgl_library slef: takes a while to get here
12:24 dgl_library wizzyrea: in the Himalayas
12:24 slef deiv: everyone but trust no-one :)
12:24 deiv great
12:24 wizzyrea isn't it some strange hour there?
12:24 dgl_library by the way, is it ok to install the Gnome environment, or should I just stick to the Debian command-line (which I'd prefer not to do… very limiting to have to do every single thing via the command line)
12:25 dgl_library 5:53pm
12:25 wizzyrea hm, not so strange. :)
12:25 dgl_library it's the crack of early in flyover country, usa, though, isn't it?
12:25 wizzyrea sure it's ok to install gnome.
12:25 wizzyrea but most instructions will have you doing most everything on the command line
12:25 jcamins_away dgl_library: you can install GNOME, you'll just have to open up a terminal to do things on the command line.
12:25 wizzyrea well, yes. 6:30
12:26 wizzyrea ish.
12:26 slef jcamins_away: wizzyrea: maybe they know the gnome user admin tools and so on
12:26 dgl_library jcamins: that's ok, as long as I still have a mouse and desktop, which will make it easier to copy and paste stuff if I run into problems (like error logs)
12:26 jcamins_away Fair enough.
12:26 deiv i imported yesterday, in 3.6.4 version, a marc21 example bibliography 650mb big. i downloaded it from the koha-community site
12:27 wizzyrea slef: true
12:27 wizzyrea what did you download exactly (meaning, from what URL?)
12:27 jcamins_away The UMich dataset.
12:28 * wizzyrea has not looked at it, where did we procure it from?
12:28 dgl_library I'm going to download the debian+gnome install, which will take all night (1.1gb) to download, but if I did want to just try dropping the current db in Koha and then starting over and importing sample data etc, how would I go about it? Where's the Drop DB command?
12:28 wizzyrea please link
12:28 deiv wizzyrea: wait, i search
12:28 jcamins_away wizzyrea: it's available on UMich's site. It's much to large to use on anything less than a dedicated server.
12:29 deiv
12:29 deiv i found this link on the koha-community wiki
12:29 wizzyrea I usually do mysqladmin -uroot -p drop <name of your koha db>
12:29 wizzyrea now, don't go doing that if you want anything in there.
12:30 wizzyrea you can, before that
12:30 deiv jcamins_away: yes, i got wrong :)
12:30 wizzyrea do a mysqldump -uroot -p kohadb > backup.sql
12:30 jcamins_away deiv: that is not any sort of endorsement.
12:30 jcamins_away (that it's on the wiki)
12:30 wizzyrea i follow now.
12:31 deiv well wizzyrea, good idea
12:31 deiv i will do a drop
12:31 wizzyrea no no that was for dgl_library
12:31 wizzyrea i don't think you've told us your problem yet :P
12:31 deiv exctly
12:32 deiv exactly
12:32 deiv well, my question is: why i cannot see the imported bibliography on the opac?
12:32 jcamins_away searching faq?
12:32 wahanui searching faq is at
12:33 jcamins_away You need to reindex.
12:33 deiv i thought
12:33 deiv i wanted to be sure
12:33 deiv i'm doing it
12:33 mbalmer swiss thursday starts
12:33 deiv it needs lot of hours
12:33 jcamins_away deiv: yes, it does. I imagine it'll take about... 20?
12:34 deiv jcamins_away: the importing process needed 5 hours
12:35 wizzyrea yep, you need to index
12:35 jcamins_away deiv: how much disk space do you have?
12:35 deiv not so much
12:35 deiv 4gb
12:35 jcamins_away deiv: you need about... 80gb.
12:35 jcamins_away (if you want to use that dataset)
12:36 wizzyrea[…]rch-stuff-up-help
12:36 jcamins_away wizzyrea: awesome!
12:36 deiv well, maybe it's better to drop that data and trying with something thinner
12:37 wizzyrea also, please feel free to suggest edits to those faq's
12:37 dgl_library thanks wizzyrea and everybody — I'll go and take some screenshots of the info I've already put in, and then start from scratch. have a good day/morning/evening/night…
12:38 wizzyrea dgl_library: may help you, if you really want to get the rules and stuff you've put in out
12:38 wizzyrea you can craft a sql report in koha that would let you download in TAB or CSV
12:39 wizzyrea schema?
12:39 wahanui schema is probably tracked in git. or found at
12:42 deiv i think i need support
12:42 jcamins_away paid support?
12:42 wahanui please see for a list of paid Koha support vendors.
12:43 deiv community support :P
12:43 deiv translated: a question
12:43 jcamins_away @quote search ask
12:43 huginn jcamins_away: 8 found: #117: "<druthb> basking ? You bask on the", #126: "<rangi> The beauty of Koha is we develop in the...", #13: "<atz> ricardo: ask and ye shall receive.......", #145: "Don't ask to ask, just ask!", #155: "libsysguy: I always hate touching somebody...", #189: "libsysguy: one need not ask why where there are...", #45: "<CGI988> sekjal - you are a genious!!!!! asking...", and #4: (1 more message)
12:43 jcamins_away @quote get 145
12:43 huginn jcamins_away: Quote #145: "Don't ask to ask, just ask!" (added by wizzyrea at 02:37 PM, July 07, 2011)
12:43 deiv eheh great
12:44 deiv well
12:44 dgl_library wizzyrea & jcamins: I'm not terribly command-line savvy. can you point me to a page or something that gives the commands to craft a sql report in koha that would let me download in TAB or CSV?
12:44 deiv i would like to undo the data import and reset indexing and try with a marc21 smaller sample
12:44 wizzyrea oh, you can do it through the web interface
12:44 wizzyrea more -> reports
12:44 wizzyrea create from sql
12:44 jcamins_away deiv: how did you import it?
12:45 dgl_library oh, great :)
12:45 wizzyrea dgl_library: an example of a query that would get you, say, your library definitions
12:45 wizzyrea select * from branches
12:46 jcamins_away deiv: if you used the batch import functionality, you can just reverse the import. If you used the command line, you'll have to delete all the records via the database.
12:46 deiv i used misc/migration_tools/ -file /path/to/marc.iso2709
12:47 jcamins_away deiv: in that case, you'll need to delete all the records in SQL, doing something like "DELETE FROM biblio; DELETE FROM biblioitems;"
12:47 dgl_library wizzyrea: more --> reports …… there's no "create from sql" option.
12:47 deiv jcamins: that's ok
12:48 wizzyrea not under "guided reports"
12:48 wizzyrea ?
12:48 wizzyrea well you do have those weird permission problems
12:48 wizzyrea perhaps your user doesn't have permissions
12:48 dgl_library
12:48 deiv jcamins: how to delete already created indexes?
12:48 wizzyrea stinky poo
12:48 dgl_library yep.
12:49 jcamins_away deiv: when you import new records, you will reindex using -b -r
12:49 wizzyrea yea, it looks like your whole problem is that your super librarian doesn't have superlibrarian permissions
12:49 dgl_library wizzyrea: I do have root access on the command line, though… if there's a way to do the export that way
12:49 wizzyrea well
12:49 dgl_library hmm. wish I could just fix the permissions!
12:49 wizzyrea you can try mysql -ukohaadmin -p nameofkohadb
12:50 wizzyrea password will be the same as your staff client login
12:50 deiv jcamins: a new import and rebuild will delete older and unuseful indexes?
12:50 jcamins_away Yes.
12:51 deiv jcamins: great
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12:52 dgl_library wizzyrea: well, I ran that command and am now at a mysql> prompt. however, since this is all happening within virtualbox, I'm not sure where the file is or how to get it out to my host OS
12:52 wizzyrea there won't be much in them likely
12:52 wizzyrea ok so, just for fun
12:52 wizzyrea select * from branches;
12:53 wizzyrea you see your data?
12:53 dgl_library back in the web interface, you mean?
12:53 wizzyrea no, at your mysql prompt
12:53 deiv jcamins: could i have a clean db doing a drop and a new web first setup?
12:54 wizzyrea ^^ just as it appears  up there, punctuation and all
12:54 jcamins_away deiv: you could do that, too.
12:54 wizzyrea deiv: that would clean it out, sure
12:54 dgl_library did that
12:54 dgl_library it spat out the library info, address etc
12:54 wizzyrea cool
12:54 dgl_library 1 row in set
12:55 jcamins_away Ooh, you know what I get to do now? Meet the contractor at the new apartment... again!
12:55 wizzyrea perfect, you only have 1 branch
12:55 wizzyrea right?
12:55 dgl_library right
12:55 wizzyrea ok
12:55 wizzyrea so, now that we know we can get in
12:55 deiv this way seems more to re execute first installation? sorry, but i'm a real beginner
12:55 wizzyrea and we are looking at the right db
12:55 wizzyrea you can type exit
12:55 wizzyrea to exit mysql
12:55 dgl_library done
12:55 wizzyrea and do
12:56 wizzyrea mysql -ukohaadmin -p kohadb -e "select * from branches" > branches.sql
12:56 * jcamins_away sighs. I am not looking forward to redoing the kitchen and bathroom.
12:56 wizzyrea :/
12:56 jcamins_away Thankfully, we have a while before that's necessary.
12:56 jcamins_away So long, #koha.
12:56 wizzyrea later jcamins_away
12:58 dgl_library be right back…
13:00 deiv a question: how can i re execute first web installation step? i need to rebuild db structure
13:02 slef deiv: use a new database
13:03 deiv slef: i need to re create structure
13:03 deiv i would drop koha db
13:03 deiv and i need to re create entire structure
13:04 sturmtruppen hi to everyone
13:05 dgl_library wizzyrea: should I replace kohadb with the db name, which is koha in my case?
13:05 wizzyrea yep
13:05 wizzyrea afk just a min
13:05 sturmtruppen a newbie question for you: how can I obtainabout 2000 records starting from ISBN and automatically?
13:08 wizzyrea ok back
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13:12 deiv wizzyrea: a simple question: how to re execute first web installer step?
13:12 wizzyrea drop the db and create a new one, then go to the url for your staff client
13:15 sturmtruppen for me, any ideas? anyone?
13:15 deiv sturmtruppen: me not
13:16 deiv i'm an hyper beginner
13:16 sturmtruppen me too
13:16 sturmtruppen second day in koha...
13:16 deiv sturmtruppen: give me five :)
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13:17 deiv wizzyrea: are you sure webinstaller will works when i will drop db? i need the 3 steps first installer
13:18 wizzyrea deiv: think of it this way
13:18 wizzyrea what are the conditions by which the web installer fires?
13:18 wizzyrea koha finds a database, but it has nothing in it
13:18 wizzyrea koha wants to propagate it, so it launches the web installer.
13:19 deiv i don't know, could be it exist a flag file or something similar
13:19 deiv i try
13:19 deiv thank you!
13:19 wizzyrea sure :)
13:20 dgl_library wizzyrea: I tried mysql -ukohaadmin -p kohadb -e "select * from branches" > branches.sql and the result was: "ERROR 1044 (42000): Access denied for user 'kohaadmin' @ 'localhost' to database 'kohadb'
13:21 dgl_library I think my database is just called koha
13:21 wizzyrea well you have to use the name of *your* database
13:21 wizzyrea sorry if I wasn't clear
13:22 deiv if it doesn't work i will pay a hacker to lock your WC, so you will need to ask peeing to your next-door :D
13:22 wizzyrea charming?
13:23 dgl_library wizzyrea: thanks
13:23 wizzyrea so now, dgl
13:23 wizzyrea if you want info out of other tables (they're all listed in the schema at
13:23 wizzyrea you just do something similar
13:23 wizzyrea to what you just did
13:23 wizzyrea substituting your table names for branches
13:24 wizzyrea example, select * from categories
13:24 wizzyrea or select * from authorised_values
13:24 dgl_library ok, I did it for branches. where can I find a list of table names?
13:24 wizzyrea schema
13:24 wizzyrea schema?
13:24 wahanui schema is tracked in git. or found at
13:24 dgl_library or is there a way to export the whole db at once?
13:25 dgl_library thank you
13:25 wizzyrea to export the whole db
13:25 wizzyrea mysqldump -ukohaadmin -p koha > koha-dump.sql
13:25 wizzyrea back up koha?
13:25 wahanui back up koha is at[…]i/Backing_up_Koha
13:25 wizzyrea basically the same as this
13:26 dgl_library thanks. there's suppose to be a space after the -u in -ukohaadmin, right?
13:26 wizzyrea nop
13:26 dgl_library ok
13:26 wizzyrea it might work with one, but I never put one in
13:30 magnuse wizzyrea++ for helping people
13:30 wizzyrea magnuse++ for writing the backup documentation
13:31 wizzyrea lol
13:31 dgl_library wizzyrea, thanks very much for the help today — signing off & will check in again after doing the new setup. btw, are you one of the programmers on the koha project?
13:31 wizzyrea I have patches in Koha, ya
13:31 wizzyrea but pretty much everybody here does :)
13:31 * oleonard waves
13:32 wizzyrea oleonard having at least as many, if not more, than most ;)
13:32 jcamins_away Wow. The devastation is incredible. In one day they managed to remove almost all the junk on the walls from the previous owners.
13:32 dgl_library wow
13:32 wizzyrea 180 contributors now?
13:32 dgl_library sorry, that wow was about all the programmers here — thanks #koha, bye for now
13:33 wizzyrea later :)
13:33 jcamins_away Including a room full of hideous mirrors!
13:33 wizzyrea O.o
13:33 * wizzyrea refrains from making a lewd joke
13:33 wizzyrea also, how awesome is the word "lewd"
13:34 jcamins_away lol
13:34 jcamins_away Yay! Time to discuss ethernet!
13:35 * wizzyrea grins evilly at oleonard
13:36 oleonard :P
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13:44 deiv another question: do you know a place where to download a marc bibliography, enaugh big to be consistent, enaugh little to let me run on a netbook?
13:45 deiv *enough
13:52 wizzyrea[…]master/MARC21.mrc
13:52 wizzyrea should have items consistent with the sample data
13:52 wizzyrea actually I need to rebuild that I think.
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13:57 wizzyrea but it should work
13:57 wizzyrea for you
13:58 schuster Howdy all
13:59 oleonard Hi schuster
14:00 oleonard Whoops, I submitted a patch.
14:00 schuster I turned on extended attributes on my system and one of the items listed there as "default" is SHOW_BCODE - which is a system pref with a yes no.
14:01 oleonard http://manual.koha-community.o[…]l#opacbarcodesfaq
14:03 schuster OK so that is now just a piece of Extended attributes...  Just surprised me to see that.  thanks
14:06 * oleonard founds a new startup, Let me Google that in the Koha manual for you ;)
14:10 hdl this is quite an old timer : RTFM or ggl is your friend
14:11 * oleonard would never really tell schuster to RTFM
14:12 oleonard kyleh: Around?
14:14 wizzyrea bbiab
14:20 schuster appreciates oleonard being nice to schuster :)
14:20 schuster jcamins_away - so where does 7284 stand now?  I see it is back to needs signoff.
14:21 jcamins_away schuster: it's pushed! :D
14:21 jcamins_away The "Needs Signoff" is for a follow-up to fix a test.
14:22 jcamins_away paul_p: a patch to fix jenkins' build is attached to bug 7284.
14:22 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Authority matching algorithm improvements
14:22 paul_p hi jcamins_away, yes i've seen.
14:22 schuster OK just confused on the flow ;)
14:22 paul_p almost done with my answer to marcelr on koha-devel, and I take care of it ;-)
14:23 paul_p (i already have fixed the <a> and <b> issue as well)
14:24 jcamins_away :)
14:24 jcamins_away Thanks.
14:25 jcamins_away schuster: no, it's a bit confusing when I change it to "Needs Signoff" immediately after it's pushed.
14:26 kf paul_p: I am a bit worried about the perltidy idea - not sure we finally decided about it. I think we said we woudl start discussion and gather pro/cons
14:26 paul_p I remember we agreed that there was no "good" option, this one being the "less wrong" one
14:29 kf paul_p: I thik there were some strong objections
14:29 kf and we still have to pudate the copyright statements... I fear losing the history might not be woth it
14:29 paul_p what do you mean by "update the @ statements" ?
14:30 kf we need to update them in order to get into debian properly
14:30 kf afaik
14:30 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7284: Fix unit test broken by erroneous POD <[…]c83e16f3cf796745a> / bug 7284 follow-up: removing html tags and as they're displayed not... <[…]1657a845757b47d08>
14:30 paul_p (kf: we don't loose the history, we just have one commit, that will be easily identified on git history)
14:30 kf yes, but git blame will not be identifying it
14:31 kf and I thik it's not only whitespace changes - it will change the line breaking too. I think at least we need to test it before we go through with it
14:31 paul_p we should find the discussion, because iirc, we said that was worth it.
14:31 kf really looking at the consequences
14:31 kf I think it was to be talked about on the mailing list - but might remember wrong
14:32 paul_p kf perltidy, fortunatly, changes more than whitespaces, but there's no consequences on the executed code
14:32 paul_p (fortunatly misplaced ;-) )
14:32 kf yeah I know it does not change the code, but line breaking I think?
14:33 paul_p yes, but there's no consequences
14:33 paul_p (that also changes {} position)
14:33 kf for history there iw
14:33 kf for history there is
14:33 kf I think some peopel assumed you can tell git blame to ignore whitespace changes
14:33 kf but this will not work
14:35 paul_p kf =[…]05-10.00.log.html (/me reading it now)
14:35 jenkins_koha Starting build #646 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #644 22 h ago)
14:35 kf hm think it was a later meeting
14:35 kf we talked about it again
14:35 jcamins_away paul_p: jenkins may still be unstable if rangi didn't get a chance to reindex.
14:35 kf after we decided
14:35 kf about the stly
14:35 kf e
14:36 paul_p jcamins_away probably yes, but less test failing is always better ;-)
14:36 jcamins_away paul_p: yeah, I was just warning you that the new failure isn't my fault. ;)
14:36 paul_p jcamins_away I know (and in fact, it's your fault. Because it's your patch :D )
14:37 jcamins_away paul_p: I provided all the tools necessary for fixing it. ;)
14:37 paul_p kf you're right, it's not oct meeting, but I can't find which one it is...
14:37 jcamins_away I believe rangi said he'd reindex it tomorrow.
14:38 kf paul_p: I have problems finding it too
14:38 kf and have to finish wirting a protocol
14:39 jcamins_away paul_p: I thought the concensus was to perltidy existing code only when patches are touching it.
14:40 paul_p jcamins_away well, it's *really* worth finding the logs then :D
14:41 jcamins_away paul_p: hm, you're right.
14:42 kf jcamins_away: I agree
14:42 kf jcamins_away: I think we postponed deciding about a big change
14:42 jcamins_away[…]12-01-04#i_857956
14:43 * jcamins_away laughs at the 4 v 8 spaces thing.
14:43 jcamins_away Oh, sorry, I didn't finish reading.
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14:44 jcamins_away The conclusion was "we'll decide via mailing list.
14:44 jcamins_away And, with that thought, I'm off to a meeting.
14:44 jcamins_away Bye!
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15:03 * wizzyrea waves
15:04 kf hi wizzyrea
15:05 oleonard wizzyrea: Do you libraries complain about how the patron search autocomplete works?
15:05 wizzyrea we don't use it
15:05 wizzyrea because people were consistently picking the wrong patron
15:05 oleonard Yeah, that seems to be the complaint here too.
15:05 wizzyrea I don't think the algorithm is bad
15:06 wizzyrea just... humans.
15:06 oleonard It's the way the YUI interaction is designed.
15:06 * oleonard is happy to blame YUI
15:06 wizzyrea :)
15:06 oleonard My jQuery version will be better if it ever sees the light of day
15:14 wizzyrea oleonard: bug 6905 - was your concern the one that changed it to failed QA?
15:14 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6905 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , Allow selecting a patron from circulation history to take you to their circ page
15:15 wizzyrea also does bugzilla have a history?
15:15 oleonard[…]ivity.cgi?id=6905
15:15 wizzyrea ah thanks
15:15 wizzyrea nvm, must have been sekjal :)
15:16 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #646: STILL UNSTABLE in 41 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/646/
15:16 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: bug 7284 follow-up: removing html tags <b> and <a href=> as they're displayed not as HTML
15:16 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 7284: Fix unit test broken by erroneous POD
15:16 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Authority matching algorithm improvements
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15:16 wizzyrea where do you get the link for that?
15:16 wizzyrea "show activity"
15:17 * wizzyrea is especially dense, must have used up all of my brilliance for the day before it even began
15:17 wizzyrea oh, History?
15:17 oleonard I click the "History" link next to the modified date
15:17 wizzyrea next to modified?
15:17 oleonard :)
15:17 * wizzyrea sees it now
15:17 wizzyrea thanks :)
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15:20 wizzyrea wonder what happened with that bug.
15:21 wizzyrea ditched in favor of the unified patron view preference I guess?
15:22 oleonard That's what I'm doing now
15:22 oleonard I marked Bug 6670 and Bug 6905 as dependent on a new bug, Bug 7680
15:22 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6670 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Link patron name on returns screen to circulation page instead of patron detail page
15:22 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6905 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , Allow selecting a patron from circulation history to take you to their circ page
15:22 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7680 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Create a PatronDefaultView preference to control whether patron links go to circ or patron details
15:25 oleonard I...uh...hope that's okay with everybody...
15:25 wizzyrea :)
15:25 wizzyrea fine by me
15:26 * kf loves system preferences ;)
15:26 wizzyrea will be nice to make that consistent
15:26 wizzyrea kf also loves consistency
15:26 wizzyrea iirc.
15:26 kf yep she does :)
15:26 kf and chocolate
15:26 wahanui i heard chocolate was finite, we ate it all :)
15:26 wizzyrea *nod*
15:27 oleonard wahanui: Forget chocolate
15:27 wahanui oleonard: I forgot chocolate
15:27 wizzyrea blasphemer!
15:27 oleonard wahanui: chocolate is finite, but there is still some left for you
15:27 wahanui OK, oleonard.
15:27 wizzyrea ok you're forgiven.
15:27 * wizzyrea has thin mints on her desk
15:28 wizzyrea how i've resisted not eating every single one of them yet is beyond me
15:28 kf wish it was that easy to solve the chocolate shortage
15:28 oleonard wizzyrea: You must be a stronger person than I
15:28 wizzyrea is the mint in the cookie, or the chocolate I wonder.
15:28 wizzyrea mysteries of the universe I guess.
15:28 * wizzyrea reaches for the thin mints
15:29 wizzyrea oh, 4 left in the tube... 4 in a serving. Coincidence?
15:29 oleonard 4 tubes in one serving? Sounds right to me.
15:29 wizzyrea ^.^
15:30 wizzyrea I also have the shortbread ones with chocolate on the bottom
15:30 * oleonard swoons
15:36 oleonard "PatronDefaultView : Links to patron records point to ( circulation | patron details )"
15:37 oleonard Does that make sense?
15:37 wizzyrea well on the patron screen
15:37 wizzyrea it's labeled "check out"
15:38 wizzyrea
15:38 wizzyrea but otherwise, yes
15:38 oleonard Sure, links which are explicitly meant for one or the other will not be changed
15:38 wizzyrea right, i just meant in your syspref
15:39 oleonard Oh, you mean "check out" instead of "circulation"
15:39 wizzyrea Links to patron records point to (check out | details)
15:39 wizzyrea yes, exactly
15:39 oleonard Good call
15:40 wizzyrea in fact, everywhere it's called "check otu"
15:40 wizzyrea out"
15:40 wizzyrea on circ home, in the header
15:40 wizzyrea so check out would definitely be better.
15:40 wizzyrea than circulation
15:41 * wizzyrea still hates the "fines and charges" tab on the patron detail
15:42 wizzyrea just click the fines tab :P
15:42 wizzyrea oleonard, it occurs to me that we should make that table an include and use the same one on both the check out and detail tab
15:43 wizzyrea because they're "identical" (except for the fines/charges tab
15:43 kf wizzyrea: it's handy for printing
15:43 kf wizzyrea: when you want to print out all holds, fines, detail about the patron, it's all on one page
15:45 wizzyrea well we should make "print page" do that
15:46 clrh gmcharlt: I have a question about a contrib repository (written in pv)
15:46 wizzyrea because I would never ever have thought to print that detail page.
15:47 wizzyrea not when there's a giant "print" button up there.
15:47 wizzyrea or we need a link to print it that says "print patron summary" or somesuch
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15:50 kf wizzyrea: we need a way to print out all information that is stored about a patron...
15:50 kf wizzyrea: so I think it's a really good idea
15:50 wizzyrea *nod*
15:50 kf privacy laws
15:50 kf you can demand that, as a patron
15:50 wizzyrea sure
15:51 oleonard Being an American I can only imagine what you mean by "privacy laws" :P
15:51 * wizzyrea nods shamefully
15:51 oleonard I think here it means they can keep private what kind of information they collect and sell
15:52 oleonard Oh look, circ/ is broken.
15:52 wizzyrea !
15:52 kf oh
15:52 oleonard Undefined subroutine &C4::Members::checkoverdues
15:52 kf oh
15:52 kf denesting
15:52 wizzyrea oof yea
15:53 * wizzyrea will look at that
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16:03 sturmtruppen hi again.
16:03 * wizzyrea wave
16:03 wizzyrea waves*
16:03 sturmtruppen i have  aproblem with the research of a record inserted in the database
16:04 wizzyrea searching faq?
16:04 wahanui somebody said searching faq was at
16:04 wizzyrea see the last one
16:04 sturmtruppen i'll explain better... without a log in in the opac, i search a book by autor.
16:05 sturmtruppen koha doesn't found the bokk, but i have just inserted in te db
16:05 sturmtruppen ok, i'm very newbie
16:05 sturmtruppen book
16:06 sturmtruppen author...I just forgot my bad english...
16:07 oleonard don't worry about your spelling sturmtruppen we understand
16:07 sturmtruppen i know, you're a genius, i'm the man with problem in english ... hihihihihi!
16:07 oleonard Did you look at the searching faq link?
16:08 sturmtruppen ?
16:08 oleonard
16:08 kf sturmtruppen: I forgot, did you install from the packages?
16:08 sturmtruppen i started yesterday with koha
16:08 kf (cait from Konstanz again ;) )
16:08 sturmtruppen yeap
16:08 kf still waiting for my chocolate!
16:09 sturmtruppen this summer, while i'm going to legoland, i'll bring you your chocolate!
16:09 kf heh
16:10 sturmtruppen yes, i installed from packages in debian squeeze
16:10 deiv hi everybody
16:10 kf hmm
16:10 kf I think there is a command for the packages to activate zebra indexing
16:10 sturmtruppen hi deiv
16:11 sturmtruppen oh, i read about, i have to restart every time i turn off the machine, right?
16:11 kf[…]e_Debian_packages
16:11 deiv is it possible in 3.6.4 version to install a post installation new language?
16:11 kf sturmtruppen: not sure if it should autostart
16:11 kf but perhaps try koha-start-zebra
16:12 sturmtruppen zebra was at party yesterday night, she's still sleeping...
16:12 kf lol
16:12 kf hope she doesn't have a hangover
16:13 sturmtruppen bad things... she doesn't work... ops, I don't found the book I just allocate in the db
16:15 wizzyrea deiv - yes
16:15 wizzyrea translations?
16:15 wahanui translations are there... And might help stoping the warnings.
16:15 wizzyrea hm no
16:15 wizzyrea forget translations
16:15 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot translations
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16:19 wizzyrea oleonard: there's a patch for branchoverdues already on bug 6875
16:19 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6875 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , de-nesting C4 packages
16:19 wizzyrea at least, I think so
16:20 oleonard Thanks wizzyrea
16:20 wizzyrea i'm about to see if it works
16:20 deiv i just installed italian language on koha 3.6.4!
16:22 kf sturmtruppen: hmm. did you run the command and did it give you feedback?
16:22 kf sturmtruppen: you might perhaps also want to run the rebuild thing
16:23 kf koha-rebuild-zebra - because your record didn't get indexed
16:23 sturmtruppen i have no feedback. now i'm reading the faq, as suggested by oleonard
16:23 wizzyrea yup, it's golden, will sign off on it.
16:23 kf sturmtruppen: not sure how it applies to packages
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16:27 wizzyrea ok, you can put that branchoverdues issue out of your mind oleonard, once paul_p or QA sees the sign off for his patch to fix it.
16:27 oleonard Cool.
16:28 * wizzyrea tries to remember what she was doing before she went down that rabbit hole
16:28 oleonard Eating thin mints
16:29 wizzyrea lol, no.
16:31 sturmtruppen nothing to do... no index anyway
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16:48 oleonard Hi sekjal how's it going?
16:49 sekjal hi, oleonard.  going pretty well
16:50 sekjal lots of Koha emails to catch up on today
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17:13 paul_p OK, passed QA pile emptied (except for 2 that i'm waiting for some feedback/a squashed patch)
17:13 wizzyrea oh, paul_p
17:14 sekjal paul_p:  I'll get on making more work for you :)
17:14 wizzyrea bug .... grr the denesting one
17:14 paul_p sekjal feel free ;-)
17:14 wizzyrea 6875
17:14 wizzyrea bug 6875
17:14 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6875 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, paul.poulain, Signed Off , de-nesting C4 packages
17:14 wizzyrea your fix for
17:14 paul_p wizzyrea yes, i've seen you've signed off it
17:14 wizzyrea i signed off - okk great
17:14 wizzyrea is broken without it
17:15 paul_p it's time to leave for me, but i'll take care tomorrow
17:18 kf time to leave for me too
17:18 kf bye all
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17:26 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6086 follow-up Uppercase initial coding guideline fix <[…]eda319a9f7c84072d> / Bug 6086: Followup: Replace \t characters with 4 spaces <[…]e33f5701693f8fbb9> / Bug 6086 - adding a dynamic filter to pending holds <
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17:29 druthb @later tell eythian I have a question about your csvtomarc script--trying to coax it to do something, and probably not telling it how to correctly...
17:29 huginn druthb: The operation succeeded.
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17:30 * oleonard waves to druthb
17:30 druthb hi, oleonard! :D
17:34 jenkins_koha Starting build #647 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #644 1 j 1 h ago)
17:42 oleonard druthb or other ByWater folks, have you had anyone ask for something like Bug 1698?
17:42 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1698 enhancement, P3, ---, chris, NEW , Undebar patron if all items are returned
17:42 jcamins_away oleonard, yes they have.
17:43 oleonard ...but nothing developed?
17:44 jcamins_away No idea.
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17:48 cait hi #koha
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17:58 slef hi cait
17:58 cait hi slef :)
17:58 slef biab dinner
18:14 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #647: STILL UNSTABLE in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/647/
18:14 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7584 - Update cart and lists buttons style using CSS3 features
18:14 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7616 - Remove unused template markup for css_libs, css_module, js_libs, etc.
18:14 jenkins_koha * cnighswonger: Bug 7615 - Give option to use description for homebranch/holding branch in label creator instead of the branchcode
18:14 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7493 [REVISED] Deleting a record with comments breaks "Recent Comments"
18:14 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 7493 follow-up DBRev number
18:14 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7584 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Update cart and lists buttons style using CSS3 features
18:15 jenkins_koha * gcollum: Bug 7517: Revised Patch. Patron category types not displaying <optgroup> in dropdown.
18:15 jenkins_koha * wizzyrea: Bug 7271 - change sort in to sort by home library instead of holding branch
18:15 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7616 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Remove unused template markup for css_libs, css_module, js_libs, etc.
18:15 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7629 - Update sco.css to include CSS Gradients and prevent error upon missing background image file
18:15 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7603: Change description of 952$3 in German frameworks to reflect new functionality
18:15 jenkins_koha * srdjan: Bug 6488: Display OPAC search result count conditional to OpacHiddenItems syspref
18:15 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7631 - Self checkout renewal fails because of reference to non-existent subroutine in
18:15 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7615 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, Pushed to Master , Give option to use description for homebranch/holding branch in label creator instead of the branchcode
18:15 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7493 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Deleting a record with comments breaks "Recent Comments"
18:15 jenkins_koha * alex.arnaud: Bug 6086 - adding a dynamic filter to pending holds
18:15 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 6086: Followup: Replace \t characters with 4 spaces
18:15 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 6086 follow-up Uppercase initial coding guideline fix
18:15 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7517 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gcollum, Pushed to Master , Patron category types not appearing as an <optgroup> when editing or creating a patron.
18:15 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7271 normal, P3, ---, wizzyrea, Pushed to Master , Revert getitems default sort to homebranch instead of holding branch
18:15 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7629 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Update sco.css to include CSS Gradients and prevent error upon missing background image file.
18:15 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7603 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Change description of 952$3 in German frameworks to reflect new functionality
18:15 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6488 critical, P2, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , opachiddenitems not working in master
18:15 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7631 critical, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Self checkout renewal fails because of reference to non-existent subroutine in
18:15 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6086 minor, P3, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , adding a dynamic filter to pending holds
18:16 cait I love the red of jenkin's messages
18:33 rangi hmm
18:34 rangi there is a patch that fixes some of those tests on 7284
18:34 cait yes, it also mailed me
18:35 rangi its an easy peasy signoff if someone wants to try?
18:35 cait bug number?
18:37 jcamins_away Bug 7284
18:37 wahanui well, Bug 7284 is the first step to making that happen.
18:37 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Authority matching algorithm improvements
18:37 rangi yeah that one
18:37 rangi its a pod fix
18:37 rangi so run a test, apply patch, run test
18:37 rangi easy :)
18:38 jcamins_away But didn't paul_p already push that?
18:38 * jcamins_away just remembered seeing something about that.
18:38 rangi oh maybe
18:39 rangi lemme look
18:39 rangi jcamins_away: if you can let me know what i have to change for zebra ill have a go at that
18:39 rangi oh yes down to 2 fails
18:39 rangi ignore that cait
18:39 cait ok
18:40 rangi just the reindexing i think
18:40 rangi jcamins_away: do i need to copy some files from git for the zebra stuff?
18:41 jcamins_away rangi: yes. Here's the list:
18:42 rangi ta
18:47 rangi indexing now
18:48 jcamins_away chris_n: for the rebase of 7284 on 3.6.x, do you want me to squash the four patches together?
18:54 rangi holy crap, there are way more authorities in here than i though
18:54 rangi t
18:55 jcamins_away rangi: how many?
18:55 cait rangi++ jcamins++ :)
18:55 rangi im up to 27k
18:55 jcamins_away Wow!
18:55 rangi (the db was originally hlt's)
18:55 rangi anonymised, and with the sample data added
18:56 rangi but i wanted something biggish so when i get time i can get jenkins to load test too
18:56 jcamins_away Makes sense.
18:56 rangi using Test::WWW::Mechanize
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19:01 chris_n jcamins_away: that'll be fine
19:01 jcamins_away chris_n: okay, I will attach the 3.6.x patches when I can.
19:02 jcamins_away chris_n: I haven't tried yet, but I suspect backporting it to 3.4.x is going to be problematic.
19:05 jcamins_away My inclination, if that's the case, is to say that the bug fix is only available in 3.6.5+
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19:46 oleonard Hah, IE9 finally gives us support for border-radius and even then it's broken.
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19:46 Space_Librarian quick question. Is there any way to lock a public list so that only librarians can edit them?
19:47 * Space_Librarian waves around cookies to tempt answers
19:47 oleonard Public lists are not supposed to be editable by anyone but the creator
19:47 wizzyrea ^^
19:48 Space_Librarian oh good.
19:48 oleonard Cart and Lists buttons in IE9:
19:48 Space_Librarian So if somebody other than the creator clicks delete or edit on the list, nothing happens?
19:49 oleonard border-radius in IE9? Fine. Background-gradients in IE9? No problem. border-radius AND background-gradients? Hah.
19:50 oleonard Space_Librarian: OPAC or staff client?
19:50 Space_Librarian the background gradients in the lists drop down has been a great cause for complaint by the IE9 users here.
19:50 Space_Librarian oleonard: opac
19:52 Space_Librarian and re: the gradient - - only an issue in IE
19:52 oleonard Must be a version before IE9?
19:56 wizzyrea wow why a horizontal gradient?
19:56 * wizzyrea ponders
19:57 Space_Librarian I dunno, it's whatever they've just upgraded the work search engine to. I use chrome, so it doesn't bother me. But yeah, weird.
19:58 oleonard wizzyrea: Because IE doesn't support multiple "stops" in gradients
19:58 oleonard The lists background gradient goes from color 1 to color 2 to color 3. IE only understands 2
19:59 Space_Librarian for comparison: same list in chrome.
20:00 oleonard Space_Librarian: So in this case the question is why the custom CSS works in Chrome and not IE
20:02 Space_Librarian it also works in Firefox
20:02 Space_Librarian But, we all know how broken IE is.
20:09 oleonard Space_Librarian: Back to your question about lists, I don't see where someone other than the creator sees a delete or edit link
20:09 wizzyrea Space_Librarian: are you the creator of all of those lists?
20:09 wizzyrea (you might try looking with a different user)
20:11 cait superlibrarian?
20:11 wahanui well, superlibrarian is one of the permissions
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20:14 Space_Librarian I am the creator
20:14 Space_Librarian and superlibrarian
20:14 wahanui superlibrarian is one of the permissions
20:15 jcamins_away All hail Space_Librarian!
20:15 wizzyrea ah that's why you see the edit and delete links
20:15 jcamins_away :D
20:15 Space_Librarian :D
20:15 wizzyrea if you were any other user you wouldn't see them :0
20:15 * druthb hails Space_Librarian!
20:15 wizzyrea :)
20:15 jcamins_away Librarians... innnnn... spaaaaace!!!!
20:15 * oleonard grovels
20:15 * druthb worships.
20:15 * Space_Librarian passes around cookies
20:15 * wizzyrea pays indulgence
20:16 cait hm cookies
20:16 * cait feels converted
20:16 Space_Librarian i <3 you guys. :D
20:19 oleonard It's harder to find the reload button in IE9 than it is to hit an exhaust port on the Death Star with a proton torpedo.
20:20 cait oleonard++
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20:20 druthb oleonard:  I used to bulls-eye womp-rats in my T-16 back home; they're not much bigger than two meters.
20:20 * cait giggles
20:20 * druthb ducks
20:20 Space_Librarian druthb++
20:20 mbalmer evening.
20:20 wahanui i guess evening is better for me - but not too late
20:20 cait evening
20:20 Space_Librarian evening
20:20 druthb hi, mbalmer. :)
20:20 Space_Librarian @wunder wellington, nz
20:20 huginn Space_Librarian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (9:00 AM NZDT on March 09, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.45 in 1031 hPa (Steady).
20:20 mbalmer booked my hotel in Marseille, 20 minutes by foot from the hackroom.
20:20 oleonard wahanui is asking for a date I think
20:21 mbalmer it has a strange name, though.
20:21 rangi On the bus
20:21 cait mbalmer: so are not staying at hotel moderne?
20:22 mbalmer no, Newhotel Vieux Port.
20:22 druthb isn't "wahanui" the Maori word for "loudmouth" or something like?  or "obnoxious mother-in-law", or...  I don't remember
20:22 mbalmer it has very good ratings and is nearby
20:22 mbalmer and is near to the old harbour, which is nice.
20:23 Space_Librarian druthb, I think it's big mouth or something, yeah
20:23 sturmtruppen hi everyone
20:24 druthb thanx, Space_Librarian.
20:24 druthb wahanui: druthb?
20:24 wahanui She finally snapped, like we all knew she would.
20:24 * druthb nods.
20:24 Space_Librarian wahanui: Space_Librarian?
20:24 wahanui Space_Librarian is, like, a Koha poet or the sweetest lil lady you'll ever know
20:24 * cait shakes her head
20:24 * Space_Librarian snerks
20:25 druthb cait?
20:25 wahanui That's Ms. Cait to you! or in a very good mood today :)
20:25 druthb lulz
20:25 Space_Librarian hahaha :D
20:25 cait hmpf
20:26 druthb kf?
20:26 wahanui kf is probably cait or really, really sweet. or <reply>she gives me memory loss or a holds expert.
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20:37 rangi Man this bus is slow
20:41 rangi My stop
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21:02 Shane-S wizzyrea: were you able to get the style sheets working without breaking the paid book covers?
21:02 wizzyrea you know I haven't even looked at it yet >.<
21:02 wizzyrea sorry
21:03 Shane-S no problem, I just saw your comment to the bug and didn't know if you tried, wanted to check before I left work :)
21:03 Shane-S I will be fixing a mistake in a patch, hopefully tonight, so I might be on if you are still here and/or have questions
21:24 eythian druthb: what's up?
21:24 Space_Librarian (apologies for a impending segue into Friday madness)
21:24 Space_Librarian @dice d20
21:25 huginn Space_Librarian: Error: Dice must be of the form <dice>d<sides>
21:25 bag no worries it's still Thursday ;)
21:25 bag @wunder 93109
21:25 huginn bag: The current temperature in K6LCM-Westside/Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 21.9°C (12:38 PM PST on March 08, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 10%. Dew Point: -11.0°C. Pressure: 30.20 in 1022.6 hPa (Falling).
21:25 * Space_Librarian really needs coffee.
21:25 bag @wunder wellington nz
21:25 huginn bag: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (10:00 AM NZDT on March 09, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.42 in 1030 hPa (Falling).
21:25 bag oh rangi that's a win ;)
21:26 wizzyrea rather chilly for fall eh
21:26 wizzyrea late summer, I guess
21:26 eythian We don't have fall here
21:26 jcamins_away Time to head home. So long, #koha.
21:26 jcamins_away (I'll probably be back in an hour or two)
21:27 eythian later jcamins_away
21:27 wizzyrea what do you call the chilly-ish time between summer and winter?
21:27 wizzyrea winteR?
21:27 wahanui hmmm... winteR is almost gone! I already need the fan on
21:27 wizzyrea winter?
21:27 wahanui i guess winter is almost gone! I already need the fan on
21:27 eythian wizzyrea: autumn
21:27 druthb eythian...I have four columns, A, B, C, D, in a spreadsheet, and I want to create two 600 fields out of them--  I tried --mapping=A=marc:600_a --mapping=B=marc_600_e --mapping=C=600_a% --mapping=D=600_e, but that didn't fly.  Got the first one right, but all entries after C created a new tag, not added to the second 600.
21:27 wizzyrea eythian: you are cheeky.
21:27 wizzyrea :)
21:28 wizzyrea rather chilly for AUTUMN, then.
21:29 eythian druthb: hmm
21:29 eythian wizzyrea: it's not too bad, warming up
21:30 eythian druthb: I don't think it can do that reliably. I'd actually expect it to be adding all the other ones to the first 600
21:30 eythian (all the non-C ones)
21:30 druthb crapola.  I was hopin' to avoid a custom script, as this particular CSV has 75 columns.
21:32 eythian you might be able to mess around with ordering and whether to put '%' signs in to make it work
21:32 eythian it runs all the mappings through in the order they're defined on the command
21:32 eythian e.g. put all the ones that go together in a sequence first, and then the one on its own with a '%'
21:33 druthb From the way I'd seen it behave, I had things in that order, and I've tried all sorts of wierd combinations of ? and % and ! to get there, but it either put everything on the first 600, or in separate tags.  that second 600 never got any of it's subs other than _a
21:34 eythian[…]heads/nzei_import <-- this branch has (I think) the latest version, it might work better.
21:35 rangi back
21:35 eythian I wouldn't expect the '%' to affect anything other than itself...
21:36 druthb Okay;  I'll take another swing at things with the newer code shortly.
21:38 druthb thanks for an amazing piece of code, eythian.  :)
21:39 eythian I see you haven't actually read it yet, it's become quite monstrous ;)
21:39 eythian[…]cyclo-innovation/
21:40 rangi heh
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23:14 * jcamins can't imagine how he did anything before virtualization was practical.
23:15 eythian chroots all the way!
23:16 jcamins eythian: but I never learned how to use chroots.
23:16 eythian they're not so hard.
23:17 jcamins No, but I never learned.
23:17 eythian though I use pdebuild for that kind of thing these days, it makes the magic work.
23:19 * jcamins installs Ubuntu so that he doesn't sully anything but a VM with Java.
23:20 * jcamins runs out of RAM.
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23:39 jcamins rangi: have you done any further testing with MariaDB?
23:39 rangi nope, but chris_n has i think
23:43 rangi its pretty much drop in replacement afaict

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